Drinker's Chasers - Joker 2 Early Reviews Are BAD, Will This Film Disappoint?

The first movie was a surprise smash hit that exceeded everyone's expectations, but according to the early crop of reviews, Joker 2 might turn out to be a disappointing sequel. Are they right, or do they WANT this movie to fail?

[@nont18411]

DC marketing strategy: Shoves Harley Quinn into everything and hopes for the best

[@RambleOn07]

Is it still Harley Quinn if they change everything that made the character, the character?

[@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj]

Harley is overrated.

[@jiminverness]

@@ItachiUchiha-ut6xj Aren't they going to race-swap her?

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

​@@RambleOn07Exactly I've hated every live-action Harley so far because they don't play Harley.

[@sparxskywriter2589]

​@@RambleOn07 That's basically every Harley outside of the original BTAS

[@liquidtruth7954]

Making it a musical and hiring lady gaga was the most hollywood thing they could have done who even gives a shit at this point

[@victorfatalys1076]

Amen to that.

[@aaronjaggan]

I was gonna say Bollywood 😂

[@dessertlocust]

yeah it’s gonna be two hours of watching two dudes sing

[@belltolls1984]

Yes, extremely stupid.

[@metallboy25]

The point is to destroy it on purpose and then talk sht about the people who liked the first one.

[@Jim90117]

Anyone who appreciated the first movie didn't want a second one.

[@emilioparrilla465]

Exactly. It was based on taxi driver, but imagine if Taxi Driver 2 came out or some shit. Why the hell would you do that

[@raskolnikov7034]

@@emilioparrilla465 Taxi driver already did what joker was trying to do, it was still a good movie in my perspective....but they should have moved on to something else....

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@raskolnikov7034originality from Hollywood? Take 5 more live action remakes

[@jeromejenkins151]

Joker 2 as a premise has potential if it was a story about him coming into his own and realizing his full potential to reign down chaos. But I don't think this movie is that

[@kevinwilt3918]

If Joker were made in the 90s it would have just been a good movie trying to be Taxi Driver. It goes to show how much the art of film making has declined in 30 years because Joker was a great film in 2019. This movie did not need sequel and making the sequel a musical automatically makes it a turd.

[@cinemamadness6920]

I hate this generation of Hollywood filmmakers

[@greggibson33]

Zero talent. Zero originality. Zero substance. Stealing from older, better films. Great films are soooo rare now.

[@MW92.]

The left wingism for you. Destroy everything

[@Dee-no3sn]

me too

[@kluneberg8952]

whats wrong todd phillips? he's been making movies for 25 years

[@ChaosWolfNinja]

100% 😤

[@jbug1979]

Joker 2: Can't read my Joker face

[@LordVulcan93]

I wonder if she'll play with Joker's disco stick?

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

This really is a bad romance.

[@Counterbalance_]

Not a penny of my money for anything with Gaga in it. Just no.

[@bentonrp]

This film surely won't have any papa..paparazzi.

[@Bonsqueesquee]

Jo jo jo joker face jo jo joker face, I love it.

[@valentineX1X]

The second she was announced, you could see the boring psudeo musical plot a mile away. Hard pass.

[@grantwatson27yearsago14]

Joker was a great movie but it absolutely did not need a sequel.

[@tboon9399]

Most underrated comment. I completely agree.

[@Gideon_the_Seraph]

Did not need one at all, no. But you misunderstand... it made money, friend. Money. And there's never enough of it.

[@est_9855]

Agreed

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯💯

[@joshuakei8925]

I mean, I personally thought it was a bit boring, but I will agree it was well executed with a cohesive plot.

[@joshuaprets2044]

Nobody wants a Joker Musical. Nobody. Not a single person. Zero.

[@greggibson33]

I didn't even want the first Joker which was a grease fire inside a dumpster but here we are....

[@Dee-no3sn]

Speak for yourself. Jingle Bells, Batman smells is a holiday classic.

[@Nakamura407]

Except maybe fans of The Acolyte 🤣

[@beastmaster6943]

Omg, I am so offended...why can't we they/them Hatians that eat cats&dogs have a little musical called Joker 2

[@James.B.Russell]

​@beastmaster6943 good one

[@StefunnyStrange]

I’m a black woman and not a man but does DC not realize they have a mostly male fanbase? Why TF did they think their male fans would want a film with Lady Gaga singing as a main feature? Are they high? That’s like praying for your movie to fail. Personally, I like Gaga but come on!

[@WeBreakItAllDownRightHere]

They don't want a mostly male fan base

[@Dreadnok_K6]

​@@WeBreakItAllDownRightHereWell they better be ready to have no fans...

[@greengrugach1984]

Well put and true, respect from Ireland 🙏

[@Man_fay_the_Bru]

When you say you’re a woman we assume that means you aren’t a man🤦‍♂️

[@spybreak23]

@@Man_fay_the_Bru It's 2024, check your privilege bro. Someone can be a man and a woman at the same time.

[@parrishwl]

Joker 3 will be about the daily struggle to be a non binary @ Starbucks

[@upStomp]

That's most movies now.

[@thefoxcritic1]

Wow, so original, clever, and groundbreakingly hilarious.

[@AmberCommentsThings]

In downtown Los Angeles, because that's the only place that exists in Hollywood's eyes

[@tattooman3603]

"It's ma'am!!!"

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

Everything in 2024 is so deeply stupid and intentionally which is what makes it worse

[@gorelord13]

A musical sequel to a gritty reality story based in mental psychosis. Yeah that will work.

[@chasehedges6775]

EXCEPT not

[@GeoMeridium]

If they were clever, it could have worked, but clearly, they screwed it up.

[@sclarin2]

as other commenters have said they just could not resist the temptation to put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.

[@sr28774]

Probably it will cause if Joker is in love, then from Joker mind, it probably is like a musical.

[@AmberCommentsThings]

It's like the Secret of Nimh and its sequel

[@sonofliberty78]

“Joker 2” is nothing more than a cash grab, trying to bank on the unexpected success of the first film. It’ll be gawdawful.

[@dngn4774]

Tbf the “Joker” movie was a cash grab too. Todd Phillips basically got to remake taxi driver and slap two or three dc comic character names on the script and fans bought it hook, line, and sinker.

[@MacSmithvox]

​@dngn4774 It's more like The King of Comedy, and is still a solid film. Acting like it wasn't good is just naive. Unoriginal, but quality nonetheless.

[@sonofliberty78]

@@dngn4774 You’re not wrong, but Mr. Phoenix was able to elevate that film; with his phenomenal performance. I highly doubt that’ll happen, a second time.

[@crazycontraptions1249]

@@dngn4774terrible assessment of writing mate very difficult movies but both look similar on the surface level

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

If it sucks Ill see it once. If its good Ill see it 5 times

[@Skeptic_Tank]

rotten tomatoes gave The Acolyte a 78%.... you can never trust rotten tomato score.

[@LittleMopeHead]

We were past RT since TLJ and Captain Marvel era.

[@jameswelch5636]

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol 93%

[@JoFa876]

Yeah, look at the audience score and average it.

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

When the audience score is below 50%, treat the critical score as negative. High critical and low audience scores are the biggest red flag that it's an absolutely terrible thing.

[@crow_g1639]

No if it's a musical movie then idk man

[@RambleOn07]

My interest declined when I saw that they cast Gaga, disappeared when I found out how they changed the story and prioritized the female cast, and boggled my mind when I heard it was a musical.

[@carmike7671]

South Park hit the nail on it if it’s a sequel put a chick in it and make her gay or (girl boss)

[@adriansalcedo3913]

When did this happen? What was going to be the original story?

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

They had a great movie focusing on mental health with the first one. But Hollywood will never change so it just had to become woke in 2nd one.

[@easydoggy]

The mythical audience that likes a dark Batman, musical theatre and feminism.

[@iPsychoMantis]

​@@adriansalcedo3913 I don't understand why anyone cares. The first Joker was not good. People claim it was this anomaly because it was decent in amidst mountains of sludge content. The truth is, the movie is pretentious, immature, weird, and not reminiscent of who the Joker is or how he could have become him. The uncontrollable laughing tick is a good example of this film trying to be more interesting than the original, while failing miserably. Joaquin Phoenix did a good job though. Not a great job. More like 6-7/10 but he's popular for all the middle aged cringe clubbers who think they are cool for having an introverted, quiet side. I never had any interest in the 2nd movie, and I don't think I can, specifically because the themes and casting are purposely cringe.

[@douglasstrother6584]

I'm *so* inspired!! *My* ideas: "Das Boot: the musical"; "Saving Private Ryan: the ballet" and "Schindler's List: the opera". Now, where's my $500M contract?

[@WeBreakItAllDownRightHere]

Fast & Furious 12: Schindler's List

[@ZarineBashire]

Okay to be fair a Schindlers List opera is probably a good idea.

[@oneandonlyJonnySad]

@@ZarineBashireI second this, a Schindler’s List Opera would be hauntingly beautiful.

[@deeznutzzz3217]

Good thinking..ha

[@jessejames8900]

Spaceballs 2 the search for more money

[@archstanton9073]

As soon as they said it was going to be a musical, it was doomed.

[@susanalderson8267]

It was doomed the moment they decided to make the first movie, it's unwatchable dross. I will not be giving them my money after demanding a refund on the first one.

[@Texansfan59]

Yeah im not a fan of musicals they shoulda just stopped after the first joker

[@thegheymerz6353]

I dunno, sounds kind of cool. Better than some bland rehash of the first. I like they are trying something different.

[@admiralspire]

Musicals are usually godawful. The worst of cinema conbined with songs few would want to listen to if it was released just as an album. Hardly a dude interested in those.

[@tobeornottobe5611]

You don't know what you're talking about. Some of the greatest films ever made are musicals.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

The original Hangover was good. The sequels seemed like cash grabs. This feels the same way.

[@bobbarker9556]

At least they didn’t become musicals 😂 Or be lead by the girlfriends and wives

[@d3ltaohniner261]

I never cared for any of those movies personally.

[@JoeMercersWay]

The original Hangover was trash

[@JoFa876]

@@JoeMercersWay Yeah, but you're a guy who probably sits down to pee, so your opinion is shit.

[@aldobonaso3481]

@@JoeMercersWay I can't believe it, as somebody who never enjoyed the Hangover movies...I've never actually met another person who didn't like them...and now 2 under 1 comment... 🤣

[@galaleiokrypto5298]

Let's be real here. The first film was a total departure of the original concept. It did not really respect the lore and was a total departure of what people were used to see about this character. There was a sense of novelty about it and that is probably why it worked, the problem is that you can only get so much mileage out of this before the novelty wears off. I think that 1 film was enough, a second film and a musical if it is the case is asking too much from people and too much suspension of belief will not work. The character is now basically a clown with the name attached to it.

[@crow_g1639]

Nah they just messed up with the plot this time

[@PR-WAY]

Man shut up lol

[@TheSergio1021]

The phrase is "suspension of disbelief", just fyi

[@Gigipretty64]

@@TheSergio1021I was wondering that, is it? Does it not work as suspension of belief as well? For example, how some people say ‘I could care less’ versus ‘I couldn’t care less’? I prefer couldn’t care less because if you could care less then it implies a modicum of caring…. Would suspension of belief not mean you just could not in anyway believe it, it exceeds and ends any belief at all?

[@TheSergio1021]

@@Gigipretty64 good question but no, it is suspension of disbelief. The phrase is used when you're trying to enjoy a fictitious work, so by suspending your disbelief in it, it becomes "like real" to you. Suspension of belief on the otherhand is the opposite. You are avoiding your belief in the subject. You're not enjoying immersion with a fictional work, but instead refusing to believe it, not exactly the same thing. Couldn't care less is also the correct more commonly used phrase because it means you're at the lowest end of the spectrum of "caring". Could care less carries the same connotation but it leaves the possibility that you *could* care less.

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

Just because a singer is staring in a movie doesn't mean that they HAVE to sing in it or make it into a musical.

[@petebagwell6666]

I think they already decided to make it a musical, then got a singer in to play harly, script and plot is usually done long before casting

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

@@petebagwell6666 Hence, the mistake.

[@Bonsqueesquee]

It's A Star is Born but with the Joker

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

Remember when Cher or Alicia Keys could be decent in a movie without singing..

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

@@TheNotoriousMrDee Yup. Like Jenifer Lopez and Ice Cube.

[@badman_iiixiii]

They really can't help themselves shoving Harley in everywhere, can they?

[@beastmaster6943]

Netflix' Arcane did it Jinx = Harley Quinn

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

They desperately want Harley Quinn and the broader Suicide Squad to succeed.

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

And I am a huge Harley Quinn fan and even I agree with that lol

[@nunyabusiness7942]

@@beastmaster6943is this bait or are you just dumb?

[@MasonGrant0704]

Robbie sucked as Quinn but Gaga could be an interesting and darker Quinn. We will see soon enough.

[@alexandriajohnson6656]

Joker 3 : half animation half CGI live action Starring Jack Black & Barbara Streisand. Netflix version starring : Kevin Hart & Mariah Carey 😂

[@rallyfeind]

It gets 2 points just for not having Jack Black as Penguin this time.

[@sivartevafal]

🎼“i’M tHe PeNgUInE, i’Ve gOt UmBreLlA gUnS!”

[@alphatrion4365]

Yeah just glad Jack Black, the Rock, or Kevin Hart aren't in it at this point

[@Herr_Affe]

Wait until they find a way to stick Mr. Freeze in the next one, played by Dwayne Johnson.

[@DoctorEnigma01]

Everything gets 2 points for not having jack black in it

[@paulwoodford1984]

He can’t play Penguin. He’s STEVE! Jack black in a blue shirt. 😂

[@eoinmullane4579]

Remember, these are the same critics that liked the Acolyte. Are they really trustworthy?

[@Xurelbes]

Hopefully is a situation where they didn't like it because it's not something in their agenda rather than a "it's so bad that not even the people who endorsed The Acolyte can stand it"

[@RK-ck6pl]

Sadly negative reviews are usually trustworthy nowadays.

[@mrfake675]

Nope. CASHpromised.

[@bakerfresh]

Yeah, I wondered. But, its everything they like. But, since Joker has to be H88Teddit, it's kind of a toss up. Are thry told to shame no matter what. Are thry told to rise it up with the new female lead. Or, does it just stink. Probably an overlapping mix of the few. You'd have to know of the reviewer, or read their writing style and look for buzzwords.

[@miriamweller812]

@@Xurelbes The actual agenda is to distract the stupid slaves from the real problems. With Joker you got the problem, that it doesn't distract well, since the main background IS a capitalistic society that destroys humans.

[@drumunism3781]

In a culture that worships clowns, there must always be a new clown movie.

[@galesito1733]

I will never understand why they didn't call it Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@ahabduennschitz7670]

The actual working Title was Joker Second Part: Barf and Fart. So sad they didn't run with that

[@spittinvenom9843]

Dance off on cardboard?

[@AntonioPoythress1985]

😂

[@theALTF4]

with blackjack and hookers? naaah that be asking too much to rainbowlliwood

[@tammyventer5488]

I think the issue that IGN highlighted was that at the end of joker, phoenix had transformed. His iconic dance down the stairs can be viewed as his literal descent into madness. From what I understand from watching the reviews, phoenix has not transformed yet. He is still transitioning which doesn’t make sense.

Many things don't make sense, going back on character development is just one of them at this point. Joker 2017 didn't had much rooom for a sequel from the start.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Well, the natural sequel is just that, to show his relation with Harley, Arkhan Asylum, Harley helps him escape and so on. You can even have a third movie, depicting his rise as a crime lord, etc but the execution is all that matters, these stories were told in the comics time and time again, in theory it's not that hard to adapt them... However, Scorsese never made sequels of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, so their main source of "inspiration" is gone

[@LittleMopeHead]

You saying he's not at his final form yet?!

[@DrLicuid]

@@LittleMopeHead Most engaging pokemons have three forms.

[@BelchingBeaver69]

@@DrLicuidcringe

[@yellowsnowman9157]

Surprised Joker didn't become black for this movie....

[@mvader7188]

Naw, he'll be Harleys bitch.

[@amrseddik3372]

Every time they had Harley Quinn in a live action, they insist on doing everything other than her actual story and relationship with the Joker

[@Hadouken9000]

And her iconic accent or look isn't important at all, so we're not gonna even bother with that because it's stupid.

[@ThaYoungChad]

I think they're trying really hard to try and turn her into a female version of Deadpool and it ain't working out

[@ouchiegiverjr]

@@ThaYoungChadpoor people over the years think she’s a good enough character to carry things on her own, he own show is so boring and unfunny that it constantly needs to make pop culture references and use other characters to make her tolerable, this lady was a SIDE piece for joker and his main punching bag, how does that translate to people as main character potential? Such stupidity.

[@Shiirow]

they always side step the part where she was a normal doctor until she tried to diagnose the joker for notoriety. shes always a nutjob right out of the gate and it reduces any sympathy you may have had for her. Arleen Sorken in the animated series will forever be peak Harley and it was downhill from that.

[@griz312]

@@ShiirowTAS Harley wasn’t obnoxious but was actually sassy and funny and not Obnoxious through and through. Not to mention her relationship with joker is freakin abusive.

[@KendrickEdits]

Peter Parker is Spider-Man Miles Morales is Miles Morales Harley Quinn is the JOKER's sidekick Change this and it'll all go down the drain

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Miles Morales is a forced token character. I think it's hilarious how some people still like the character after the second Spiderverse movie, in the first Spiderverse he was pretty cool indeed, even if hip hop is not really a personality trait, at least that made his aesthetics distinct if compared to Peter Parker (everything else is pretty much a race swap + the same villains), but in the second movie he acts like a selfish asshole through the whole thing

[@ewanwatp7116]

Calling Patrick Bateman an antihero is wild

[@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167]

I think Patrick is hilarious. But do I root for him? They either haven't watched the film or didn't understand it was all in his head.

[@emilioparrilla465]

​@@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167no proof it was all in his head. Some of it was for sure, but other incidents were inconclusive.

[@thecappeningchannel515]

​@@emilioparrilla465 yeah. Some was in his head, but some things he did do.

[@lucasoheyze4597]

The movie definitely leans towards at least most of it being Bateman's psychotic fantasy, but the book is far clearer that it's all real but that society is so superficial and decadent nobody notices what's right in front of them.

[@jimbo103189]

Yeah he was wayyyy off on that one not just wild. Venom is an antihero but Patrick Bateman!?!? 😅 I don’t think so.

[@lowdistortion]

I knew this movie was gonna suck the moment I heard it was a musical 😂😂 Hollywood is gonna Hollywood

[@carmike7671]

Yep I thought the same the first joker was a great movie but this one seems to be made for woke people

[@exia7777]

The ultimate "Who asked for this)

[@Nocular]

Also the ultimate "make ur narrow mind up before you watched it" Or the ultimate "i'll let some movie critics decide for me coz I cant think for myself"

[@kitezzz360]

Being a musical and having lady gaga in it killed all my interest in this film

[@jonathanstone4878]

It’s a cash grab and likely has very little to do with the “spirit” of the Joker-Harley relationship.

[@DaReapa]

Likely it has lottle to do with Joker like the first movie. Joker without Batman isnt Joker, and Harley showing up before Batman makes no sense.

[@HowToChangeName]

Cant wait for Joker to be side character in his own movie

[@Tell-lie-vision]

​@@HowToChangeNameyou were fine with it in fury road tho😂

[@beastmaster6943]

It ain't no cash grab, cause we won't be paying to watch it

[@suckit5092]

It’s more like a cash bonfire

[@barbarshadow]

who is in their fucking right minds thinks a musical courtroom drama goes perfect after the dark,gritty first movie ?!?!?!

[@Caspeaon]

Lady Gaga was a horrible cast for Harley too. Joker didn’t even need a sequel, it just makes the first one less special

[@sclarin2]

Batman and Joker are my favorite US comic hero/villian duo but i've never liked harley quinn. Also do many comic fans like lady gaga? Who thought this was a good idea? Someone who is out of touch with regular people/comic fans.

[@nappyk96]

Yeah but have you ever considered.... money

[@Dee-no3sn]

Just pretend the sequel doesn't exist. I only like Harley as a side character.

[@Caspeaon]

@@Dee-no3sn yeah the Harley Quinn movie was fucking horrendous

[@beastmaster6943]

want to hear another joke?? Joker 2 is a musical

[@pikeb.3993]

When mainstream media shills don't praise it even though their darling Crazy Gaga is in it as female lead, then the movie has a big problem eventually.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

It is hard to separate reviewers political take vs film quality.

[@pikeb.3993]

@@Kyle-sr6jm I still hope that it is good, the first one was very impressing and I would like to watch the sequel in cinema, too.

[@IMYOURMAJESTY92]

I wait till I watch and judge myself . I've seen some movies we're early reviews were bad and it turned it out good . Even the 2019 joker wasn't received well when announced and look what happened

[@rfphill]

They should have cast Taylor Grift...

[@samhand8270]

I don’t understand why Gaga is a problem, she was great in A Star Is Born and people said she was great in AHS, and whether those works are your cup of tea or not, she can act and I don’t think she is a bad casting pick for Harley Quinn. The decision to make it a musical is a different story..

[@user-Calrulk55]

The problem with The Joker is it wasn t seen as a true Joker film it was seen as mental health disorder film somehting we almost certainly did not need a sequel too.

[@netcurtains]

What's a true joker film?

[@daa5249]

@@netcurtains a villain with an evil agenda, little explained motive, little explained history besides a small amount of unconfirmed excuses and backstory for behavior and motive.

[@edpistemic]

I don't trust critics, either. But I don't think this sequel should ever have been made. The Joker was a great piece of art. This is more than likely just a cash in.

[@anguswilliam2141]

Piece of shart.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Good points

[@greggibson33]

🤣 It was a piece of something but definitely not art.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

"Piece of art", lol I can hear Scorsese laughing from here

[@go_rilla262]

​@RRRRRRRRR33 How can he laugh when huffing his own 'Irishman' farts?

[@Evil_gumby]

The person who convinced the studio to do this, has already stuffed their brief case with wads of cash. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@mikeexits]

Judging by the evil laugh and your name, I guess that would be you. You monster.

[@meciocio]

Todd Phillips?

[@MiketheratguyMultimedia]

To be honest I think it was actually Joaquin Phoenix. And he was paid 20 million. So you might be right. :D

[@psully212]

All I keep hearing from these critics is “ Not enough Lady Gaga songs in this Joker movie”

[@alabamaisyourdaddy6137]

They are not her songs, she did not compose the soundtrack or suggest it be turned into a musical

[@laurasands8322]

The critics will probably say "There's too much Joker in this Lady Gaga movie"

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

​@@alabamaisyourdaddy6137 but she did agree to be in a musical sequel

[@alabamaisyourdaddy6137]

@@TheGoldenCapstone How do you know she was not on board with the movie before they decided to include musical elements? Either way, if a director makes a decision that turns off a bunch of his core audience, that’s on him not a support actress

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

@@alabamaisyourdaddy6137 I think its pretty far fetched to believe that a pop singer was surprised that she signed onto a film that didn't include musical numbers. Also, far fetched to think they did casting and pre-production and THEN change the entire approach of the film to be a different genre.

[@WhiteLeviathan]

They spent $200+ million on a musical, of course it will fail.

[@brandname6]

Lol. Good point

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

My sequel would have been: Young criminal psychopath idolises 'The Joker'. Breaks Arthur out of the mad house to serve him as a faithful acolyte. Discovers Arthur is not a charismatic genius, but just a sad, lonely maniac. Appropriates The Joker identity and becomes the criminal mastermind he thinks The Joker is destined to be. Arthur tries to prevent some calamity but is killed.

[@claudiarey699]

Sounds like a cool idea to close the trilogy. Also that could make the Joker younger so he is closer to Bruce's age.

[@LuxCarraway]

That's 10x better than the actual sequel, that sounds like an actual continuation of the characters and themes

[@greggibson33]

Just.... no.

[@brandonkoeller7478]

this. sounds. EPIC

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I actually love this idea. Especially if the acolyte is weird and mysterious and is an unreliable narrator

[@BrianCharles-t6f]

The first movie was a complete thing. It wasn't part of any franchise building and it had a begining, middle, and end that would have been better left alone and just leave fans speculating 'what if?' it was only the outragous success of the 2019 movie that meant this sequel was farted out and now we have the inevitable pretentious: 'lets make art darling!' attitude here. who in their right mind sat down and thought: the perfect way to continue this story is it make a courtroom musical drama with lots of dream song and dance sequences...... it's just DEI fodder now....shame because the 2019 movie was pretty good.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Two words killed it before a single frame was filmed: Lady Gaga

[@tylerskiss]

Why? I keep hearing this but didn’t Gaga get rave reviews for her acting skills? I remember hearing Meat Loaf was cast for Fight Club and people thought it was a terrible choice but he was great. I despise Gaga’s politics and very obvious occult symbolism but if her acting can convince us she’s the character and not the actor playing a role… I’m curious

[@whos-the-stiff]

I was dogpiled online for stating the same sentiment. Worst choice for a Harley Quinn.

[@macmcleod1188]

You might be surprised. Have you seen her work in American Horror Story? She's quite talented as an actor and has star quality. Not a fan of her work ( basically I know poker face). But I can recognize talent.

[@DC-gh6dy]

She's mediocre actress, she has her moments for the most part it's bad acting.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

@@tylerskiss She's going to get rave reviews even if she's basically Acolyte-levels of acting. Why? She has sold her soul. Big pharma, the right parties, the right stances, the right politics... she's a puppet with mediocre ability at the end of the day.

[@The_child-catcher]

I'm sorry Chris but American physco is in no way about an antihero lol.

[@papalaz4444244]

yup only a psycho would think it was

[@Herr_Affe]

People say Tony Soprano is also an anti-hero. I don't get that either.

[@ifu138]

is he mixing "antihero" up with "villain protagonist" or

[@joachimwalle3760]

Antihero just means "edgy, but likable" or what's the definition?

[@greggibson33]

Another bad take by Chris. Add it to the pile.

[@abdulazizalfayez8016]

Joker 1 was a mediocre film in a sea of trashy ones.

[@iomis2001]

Even if this movie is good, it is not needed. The first movie didn't in any way feel like it needed a sequel.

[@guy38853]

I'm getting close to the point of I'd sacrifice Batman TAS being wiped from existence if it meant never having to see Harley Quinn again.

[@xshadowscreamx]

To the mainstream audience she still feels new.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

@@guy38853 She is not that bad, c'mon now. It's just a trend, back in the 90s the comic book industry milked Wolverine to death, he was everywhere, if I'm not mistaken he holds the record of most cover appearances or something like that. Harley is the trendy superhero nowadays, at least Warner want us to believe that. In the end, I know it's annoying, the stunt is too obvious, but the character is not awful or anything

[@CleverGirlAAH]

She is increasingly awful tho, TBF

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

No! Batman TAS is the best of them all and deserves to stay, wipe Lady Gaga instead

[@TheGreatLordDIO]

Instead of going deeper into madness and psychological aspects of Arthur, making Harley slowly turn into a similar type of a psycho, we got this weird musical thing... For me the best things they could've done are either show that Arthur can't handle this much attention, the attention he always craved and so this Joker persona makes him even more paranoid, violent, apathetic etc. Or, make it so that he really does become a leader of these "riots" because for the first time in his live people are noticing and supporting him leading to some big changes in the city.

[@Fjord-yk9cb]

Joker was a movie that hijacked DC characters so that a director could make a movie about mental illness that doesn't correlate with the Joker's character. Now we're getting a movie hijacked by a narcissistic singer who will turn this movie into a a giant dream sequence TV episode so she can get an Oscar. Everyone sees it coming!

[@DC-gh6dy]

The accuracy in this comment hurts... lol

[@MikeJones-lf4bl]

Thank you! Finally someone that actually understands reality 🙏

[@warborn_inc.]

Spot on. I was never a fan of the first Joker film at all...over hyped and completley forgettable. This sequel is exactly as you called it...a weak vehicle wrapped in a Joker package simply to position Lady GaGa for an Oscar nod.

[@bruhdon4748]

It was just taxi driver & king of comedy smooshed together, it was great for that reason. It was just an excuse to make a movie that was like a 1970’s movie with a super hero paint of coat over it, the second one idk just doesn’t seem like it’s gonna work

[@rogerelzenga4465]

100% she's going to win that oscar..... that shit is rigged years in advance.....

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

It's gonna be a film that focuses on Joker's inability to be a "good partner" in a "loving relationship"

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

Women on TikTok be like "Why are these Super Villains all emotionally unavailable? Where are all the good men at??"

[@spittinvenom9843]

I’m guessing it will focus on the girl boss

[@samfalcon]

Lady Gaga is just so horrible in everything she does that I DONT want to see Joker 2

[@skyevens8756]

Yes I agree.

[@Henry-Paget]

She was pretty good in A Star is Born and critics said she was good and under utilized in this movie to be fair.

[@samfalcon]

@@Henry-Paget You’re referencing “A Star is Born” I wasn’t interested in seeing that movie either.

[@skyevens8756]

@samfalcon it's funny that he even acknowledged they cut her scenes. Most likely because they were not good. That my friend means they had to take multiple cuts. Ever seen the disaster artist? Lol sounds like you could compare lady gaga to that guy. Lol.

[@Henry-Paget]

@@skyevens8756 You need to remember that she was only ever intended to be a support character, Joker was always the main focus. Even if they did cut scenes, that does not imply they were bad, it just implies they only used what they thought was essential. This is something that always happens when you are playing a supporting character because your role is not the priority

[@Red0543]

“Joker is getting a sequel? Okay that’s weird but sure maybe it will be good!” *Finds out that Lady Gaga is in the movie as Harley Quinn and that it’s a musical.* “… Okay it’s going to be absolute crap…”

[@ChadKakashi]

I’m cautiously optimistic.

[@bentwineham1986]

Patrick Bateman is a villain protagonist. There’s no reasonable way to defend his crimes.

[@rudy1999]

There is, it was all just a vision in the end, same as Inception movie. Cobb is the same.

[@madjiofcimmeria]

What crimes?

[@The_Eastbound_Hyena]

​@@rudy1999wait? You mean the "baseball" movie???

[@Wolf_ManJack]

​@@rudy1999 If you act like a murderous psycho in a vision, and we're not implying you had some kind of delusion or external force driving your actions, you're still a villain mate. Evil is not just the actions, it is the willingness to engage with them if you had the opportunity. Good, by extension, is being unwilling to do evil when it appeals.

[@joachimwalle3760]

Why are you even bringing that up, though? Like, who is defending Bateman's crimes?

[@kevinhardy8997]

It may just be me but Joker films look really unappealing and turn me off. Where is Batman?

[@mrfnaf9600]

I don’t know, critics didnt like the first one either, we should wait till it comes out

[@bentonrp]

Yes, but if someone pulls down their pants AND squats down AND starts to groan, then you don't need to wait until it comes out to realize ... that it's going to be: shit.

[@194decibels]

He won best actor wym....

[@ninj4k4]

It certainly was a choice to make it a musical.

[@admiralspire]

Well it's more of a lifestyle really. I am coninced if you like musicals as a dude you are born that way.

[@ninj4k4]

@@admiralspire I am so sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I need to stop being a bigot.

[@kingcosworth2643]

@@admiralspire So only alphabets like Team America and Blues Brothers, colour me queer then I guess

[@mr.awesome6011]

​@@admiralspire das geh

[@FP194]

@@kingcosworth2643 Team America is not a musical

[@hcwaffles8912]

Joker was pretty much a carbon copy of taxi driver, it had great music and cinematography and i really enjoyed the movie but it was clearly quite easy to make a good movie when the plot was the same as an earlier and better one, now that they dont have that template to work from im not suprised its not that great of a movie

[@Mengha]

How soon people forget the initial reviews of the Joker....

[@spittinvenom9843]

Were they negative? Honestly, I thought the movie was good not great.

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

​@@spittinvenom9843 liberals said the first one was glorifying being an alt right incel

[@spittinvenom9843]

@@TheGoldenCapstone liberals are pretty much idiOTs

[@TiberiusX]

Joker want a good film. You should be embarrassed you were fooled by it's vapid navel gazing

[@dngn4774]

All I remember was that the press was salivating at the time for any theater shootings to blame on joker.

[@ElValuador]

The trailer looked bad so it makes sense.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep

[@TheAltarOfKez]

Agreed. I was baffled that Drinker and others thought the trailer looked good.

[@DaReapa]

The first movie was bad so it makes sense.

[@FichtenFin]

🤡​@@DaReapa

[@FP194]

@@FichtenFin That’s such a great way to provide a counter point to the comment Not an intellectual giant are you

[@Inkdisc]

most of the bad reviews of joker 2 are from critics who said the first one was bad as well

[@pflume1]

That's because the first one is boring. And real it's called Joker, but is it really the Joker.

[@Inkdisc]

@@pflume1 "is this supposed to be alfred?"

[@angel_of_rust]

the difference is they panned the first movie for being "an incel movie" now theyre still panning this sequel despite having lady gaga on it and making it into a musical

[@neverbeganforme]

@@angel_of_rustcan’t be an incel movie when he had a girlfriend in the movie.

[@GFMarine]

Musicals make me irrationally angry, so I will not see it regardless of reviews.

[@kingcosworth2643]

Some are great, Blues Brothers, Team America, South Park the Movie

[@theauntofdragons]

I am a musical theatre nerd, and do you know how many of my friends have sat down with me to watch a musical? 0. I've accepted YEARS ago that people hate musicals, and that's fine. They're going to piss so many people off in the theatre when they first burst out into song. The majority of the population do not like people bursting randomly into song ...heck, most people hate karaoke. But hey, people will buy tickets and they'll say, "Joker 2 was the biggest hit of the year" and not take into account how pissed off the audience is ...

[@GFMarine]

@@theauntofdragons People randomly bursting into song and/or dance taps into the caveman part of my brain instructing me to go with the "blunt object to skull" approach. It's completely fine for people to like the movie, but I don't want to appear on the evening news.

[@GFMarine]

@@kingcosworth2643 Couldn't sit through any of those, even when I was young.

[@raketensven3127]

@@GFMarine Yeah same here lmao. It's just not right. "Must kill and flush down the toilet!"

[@buddy3824]

Joker: The Musical+ Starring Lady Gaga = hard pass

[@anthonybeck21]

Why?

[@BATDAN_92]

​@@anthonybeck21buddy just explained it Pass for me to.

[@FP194]

@@anthonybeck21 Because !

[@leah-marie5031]

Todd Phillips has said many times it has musical 'elements' that doesn't mean its a full on musical. Lady Gaga, while I'm not a fan of her, is a pretty good actress and is apparently not in the movie as much as you'd think anyway

[@brandonm4550]

She’s actually a pretty good actress. This being a musical is the issue. You really want to see Joaquin doing musical numbers as the Joker? Just a bad idea from the get go.

[@johnwaugh8633]

I hated the original Joker. Total waste of the character that has nothing to do with the actually origin. It's well known the only reason it is called or features the joker was to get the movie greenlit.

[@ColossalKingRecordings]

Exactly!

[@scottball2796]

'We have a miserable film about a mentally unstable weirdo' Execs: 'Meh I think we'll pass' 'Errr what if we told you the weirdo was errr The Joker from Batman...yea that fits' Execs: 'How much do you need?'

[@jaded5957]

Adding Lady Gaga and musical numbers was a choice.

[@FrawgfithAmblose]

She is one of the musical artists turned actresses of all time up there with jenfer lopez and miley cyrus

[@Timbuktu407]

It was indeed a choice. Pity it was a bad one.

[@nojuanatall3281]

She is such a talentless hack. Gag gag

[@alabamaisyourdaddy6137]

Her performance was praised by critics and they complained she was not in the movie enough. She is not the issue here

[@greggibson33]

Your post was a comment.

[@Badmunky64]

I lost interest in this movie the moment I heard it was a musical.

[@MasonGrant0704]

Most of the movie isn't a musical.

[@Badmunky64]

@@MasonGrant0704 where'd you read/watch that?

[@MasonGrant0704]

@@Badmunky64 From a couple of people that got see to an early screening. If you really hate any form of musicals, this movie won't work for you but it's not like 80% of the movie will be song/dance numbers.

[@Badmunky64]

@@MasonGrant0704 Good to know, thanks.

[@nates2618]

The reviews for the 1st film were bad. I'm looking forward to it. They're are too many amplified opinions these days

[@tylergoodman3560]

Joker: A grounded masterpiece focused on Arthur's descent into madness. Joker sequel: Musical, focusing on Harley Quinn. Verdict: Not sure, but I'll keep an open mind. 🎉

[@jiminverness]

Harley Quinn played by Lady GaGa?

[@brando3342]

The Joker wasn’t even that good. Boring, depressing, and nihilistic.

[@andyknolls8735]

@@jiminverness thats the worst joke.

[@jamesavis1]

@@brando3342 Ok buddy

[@brando3342]

@@jamesavis1 Okay 👍

[@kpsk8031]

Jukebox musicals are the laziest form of entertainment. Even lazier than Blumhouse productions.

[@waterbearer4627]

The story looks boring set in prison and in court. How is that exciting!? It was good to see the Joker loose and chaotic at the end of the first film. Making it a musical is obviously pandering to Last Gaga and her 'fanbase' but her over acting is hammy and hard faced. It's not enjoyable.

[@Dharzjinion]

The first one already was overrated, no doubt this follow-up will bomb.

[@mattscott4286]

Don’t give two shyts about ANY of DC’s haphazard flicks. There’s no cohesion…no vision.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

The DC universe is very discombobulated

[@adamgates1142]

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 And that means there is a small chance they will be decent or at least fun. Marvel on the other hand has been copying and pasting the same awful script since 2008. I'll take my chance with a DC movie anyday but I'll also take a real movie over a superhero movie anyday.

[@clockworkslave0180]

its doesnt have to be the marvel universe, DC still have the best standalone movies. dark knight, joker and The Batman are better than anything marvel has done

[@lilgoop]

Imagine making a musical with an overwhelmingly male audience

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

Seems like they were too afraid that they were gonna be accused of just copy & pasting the first movie, so they tried to go 180 degrees the opposite direction, but it was a direction that NOBODY wanted to go in.

[@meddlingmage23]

This is so spot on

[@Leavemealonenowplz]

Joker didn’t need a sequel, but after all the critics claimed the original was supposed to be some alt-right incel flash-bang, I’m skeptical about their judgement.

[@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh]

So the original is alt right but the sequel has gaga in it, who is the epitome of far left?

[@greggibson33]

@@AsdfGhjkl-bd5mh Ignore the dum dum tin foil hat talk. There's always at least one in Drinker's comment section.

[@sebraven]

Nearly all.this movie is set in a courtroom , thats not a spoiler the trailer makes it clear on that point so for a lot of people this movie may be dull and there is no attempt to link this movie to anything in the DC universe . It's Iike tod Phillips was just teasing with us in the first movie

[@jainee4507]

Knew this film was some bullshit when they decided it was going to be a musical. No thanks.

[@EricKish-f7v]

It will bomb in the theaters. All those fans who watched it the first time won't the second time. Then they'll blame racism, sexism, homophobia, etc as why noone watched it

[@hatchetmouth8211]

I blame the musical.

[@mortimore4030]

The original Joker movie wasn’t great. You could never imagine that version of the Joker being a criminal mastermind. The movie also made him a somewhat sympathetic character, which is not what the joker should be at all. Ledger remains the best joker by far.

[@bentonrp]

It was more like: You had to imagine quite a few major steps to see him becoming a criminal mastermind: 1st, loses his mind. 2nd, embraces the violence. 3rd, gets drunk with power. 4th, uses violence to grow his power. 5th, becomes experienced and skilled at masterminding crimes. It's a bit of a stretch considering how old he was, as it doesn't leave a lot of time to do all that. So you're right.

[@kitezzz360]

I agree ledger was the best, I still think the original Joker was a good film though, it just didn't need a sequel

[@alexd9134]

Joker ripped off king of comedy way more than taxi driver. It's basically the same ending (except this time de niro sits on the other side of the table)

[@papalaz4444244]

its the same fkng film

[@greggibson33]

Exactly! At the end I was wondering if Philips was going to get sued for plagiarism. Joker has literaly ZERO originality.

[@SqueakingLion]

I tend to agree with Drinker's statement of: "If mainstream reviewers hate it, it's probably pretty good." I don't trust mainstream reviewers' opinions at all anymore. They are clearly bought and paid for, and as often as not very politically biased.

[@hatchetmouth8211]

But it's still a musical. Nobody was asking for this.

[@Very-old-man]

I thought the first film was pretentious art wank. Won’t be watching the sequel.

[@matthewrileymcleanwilkinson]

This won't work. I love musicals when they're done right, but seriously, Joker? Can you imagine Batman the musical? I can't take this shit. It's such a lame idea.

[@matdaddy2736]

I'd watch a Gotham musical. 😂

[@matdaddy2736]

I'm Baaaaaaaaatmaaaaaan. Na na na na

[@IsaacCordingley]

If I wanted to listen to music, I'd listen to music. Making Joker 2 a musical was a stupid decision

[@adamgates1142]

Dear lord what a meatheaded thing to say

[@IsaacCordingley]

@adamgates1142 wHaT a MeAtHeAd ThInG tO SaY. Move along, champ. Its called an opinion, if you disagree that's fine I couldn't care less. Go watch your little musical.

[@doomy330]

there's a LOT of people that are completely out as soon as they hear "musical"

[@Solly-Tom]

5:03 the critic announces "I don't trust critics. At all." 😆

[@James.B.Russell]

Cuz the mainstream critics are bought and paid for

[@FleshyCannibal]

"Professional" critics are bought and sold.

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Five years ago (pre COVID days) I really enjoyed seeing Joker at the cinema. Unfortunately this one looks confused and also a bit dull. Not sure if I can be bothered to see it.

[@pflume1]

The first one was dull and boring.

[@rickyclover9393]

The Color Purple 2023, Analyze That, Cop Rock. Does these movies and tv shows has something in common?!? Sequel in fusing shitty musical numbers that hampers a franchise and potential tv hit

[@crazyralph6386]

Shoving in Harley AGAIN, was a huge mistake.

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

wait til people find out she kills joker in the end. Well in jokers last thoughts to be precise

[@benr7294]

This is the joker movie you can take your girlfriend to she likes Lady Gaga

[@christopherbucher7017]

Just saw it. I went into the first one not really expecting to like it but it won me over, this one was almost the opposite. The movie finished and I just kind of sat there wondering what the hell I just saw and why I took two and a half hours to do it.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

I mean the first joker film wasn’t received so well by critics so I’m not surprised by the middling reviews for the sequel. If you start doing a live movie news /review show I’d tune in!

[@kingcosworth2643]

These reviews sounded like they praised the first one however

[@judyhopps9380]

they hated the first one because it was "pro-incel" and "pro-right wing"

[@teachingwithipad]

the first joker movie was shit. Arthur fleck has nothing in common with Jack Napier. Joker’s supposed to have genius level intellect but arthur is cringe lefty mental.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

The first movie was ridiculous, started really good, then it devolved into a misery porn infested with overacting + one of the worst third acts I've ever seen, out of nowhere a "clown revolution" lol the movie was trying to be "realistic" until that point, but suddenly the director and writers remembered the Joker is supposed to be a comic book character, here it comes the sheer stupidity. If that movie was already over the top and arrogant, imagine a "musical"?

[@greggibson33]

@@judyhopps9380 Nah, they hated it because it was a diaper fire.

[@keiichi8191]

I thought Joker was pretty good - not incredible or a "masterpiece" or whatever, but a good watch - and I have no interest in watching the Harley Quinn Show where Joker is a subservient simp to her. Especially when it's being shown in the form of a musical...

[@OrderofthePipe]

Because if there’s ANYTHING comic book fans love, it’s musical theater and Lady Gaga! 🤮

[@hugostiglitz9864]

The Joker is far more interesting when he interacts with Batman.

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

They... complete each other.

[@neverbeganforme]

@@DavidAnderson-m5ccouple goals

[@yendayo]

I feel like I am the only one who didnt enjoy Joker. I dont hate the film, I think it was alright. But people make it sounds like it's movie of the decade or something.

[@richardm8807]

Who is it catering to? Angry, mentally ill, losers who feel disconnected and that they're being left behind. Why do you think everyone here is pissed right now? Look, The Joker was well made and the performances were strong but it was a completely unnecessary movie.

[@greggibson33]

You're not alone. It sucked.

[@horsthacker6355]

It's the "Hey yall Gaga here go by my new album and praise me for my *talent*.....oh yeah joker is here too kinda" Movie.

[@matthewsommerville8911]

Gaga is in it. Expect cringefest

[@Henry-Paget]

Gaga was actually pretty great in A Star Is Born

[@serrajav]

The announce of it being a "musical" was a disappointment on in itself

[@Ironbird-q4f]

First one was highly overrated. No surprise I have no desire to see this one.

[@byrondavis9454]

Francis Conroy outshines lady gaga. The people wanted the dramatic depth of the first one to continue. Not a musical 😴