Drive Band Bullets (an overview)

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[@herbertwessel2412]

Thank you Mark, physicist Lutz Moeller invented in 2003, inspired by older artillery shells, this type of copper hunting bullets (KJG). The muzzlespeed of my 7mm Mauser using similar 3Band Classic ammunition manfactured by Labor für Ballistik is 3100 ft/sec, energy is 2500 ftpds. My 100+ years old falling block rifle (Heeren) is chambered in 6,5x57R, ist performs with 3Band Classic 3200 ft/sec and 2000 ftpds. These are my favourite hunting cartridges since 2010. Greeting from Northern Germany.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Herbert

[@ifyoucantjointhem]

Thank you for introducing me to another component in bullet design. I thoroughly enjoy your videos, regardless of whether it's something I can apply to my shooting or not, it's educational and enjoyable to a part of. Thank you, Mark and Sam 🤙

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks El

[@gnsmk357]

Super insight. Any one who can do what you can do with a 45 -70. Must know more than most. Great video.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man

[@Bottle-Blonde]

Learning so much. Grateful for your sharing. Thank you Mark & Sam for research, video & and demonstrations.

[@markandsamafterwork]

cheers Man, thank you.

[@mrmayhemstewart5138]

Something else I had no idea of had never heard about any of this, thanks for the lesson Mark your a great teacher mate take care and stay safe you both cheers Yogi 🇦🇺🤙🤙

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks again, Yogi, Cheers mate

[@johnstewart2011]

Learning something new all the time. Thank you.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers

[@westtexas3041]

Thank you for teaching me something new. Great video.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers West

[@CaptShocker]

I sooooo appreciate your lessons you put out for our knowledge. Cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Wayne

[@billy19461]

Thanks Mark I learn every time you put one of this type video on KZbin.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Billy, Cheers

[@geoffdot5]

Never knew what they where for thanks for explaining without the sarcasm I have seen from others, throughly enjoyed and very interesting

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Geoff, Cheers

[@oldschooljack3479]

Thanks Mark. Good stuff.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Jack, thanks

[@davidhandyman7571]

Thanks Mark. My education continues.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Dave

[@jcarne1015]

Good info. Thanks Mark.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thank you John

[@JohnRoberts71]

Great content thanks for sharing

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks John

[@markpitre4257]

Good day and very Good instruction video Mark, also what’s up Sam

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@randlerichardson5826]

See you on the next one my friend and GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Randle, Cheers and all our best

[@geoffkeeler5106]

Good informative stuff Mark - as usual. It would be interesting to see how this pans out regarding the flight of anything 20 mm and above, the vast majority of which of course have drive bands. Much to study here, oh for a decent wind tunnel!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Geoff

[@lovetoflylovetofly3843]

Thanks for the info!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, glad you liked, Cheers

[@Dalesarty]

Great information, thankful you share all your hard earned knowledge with us. Your a wealth of much appreciated information.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Dale, thanks

[@judodavid1]

Thank you for the knowledge

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@Music-kz9ol]

Makes sense, thank you.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@greghart6310]

Cheers Mark, shed some light on a topic that receives very little coverage otherwise

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Greg

[@kentuckywindage222]

In my humble opinion monolithic bullet's deviate from a straight wound channel more than cup and core bullets. This seems especially true in pistol cartridges. Rifle cartridges as long as tooling along at a pretty good speed don't deviate as bad as handgun loads. Still point of aim is the path one wants his bullet to travel as closely as possible. After impact of flesh and bone is where the monolithic bullet's deviate. Even in gel it seems to happen more commonly with monolithic bullet's. Just my observation of a characteristic that does happen with even the best cup and core. Just more often with mono. Great video Keep'em coming!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@stormiewutzke4190]

Everything I see with them in hunting applications seems to show that there are a lot of changes compared to lead cores bullets. They seem good but they need speed at least if shooting lighter skinned animals and not aiming for bone or heavy muscle. I think they will perform best at far lighter weight than someone who prefers deep penetration normally selects. It seems that their opening speed is pretty high and they tend to fall off fast enough that when shooting past 250 yards with non magnum calibers it's probably best to switch to shoulder shots to get them open. I think they are a good option but one not always well understood.

[@linklesstennessee2078]

Good information

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks

[@raywhitehead730]

Ok you covered a topic I have seldom heard, but it don't know any one using band bullets. From USA. Here its about COAL, Muzzle, V and E and drop, G1 and G2. And for me energy on target.

[@raywhitehead730]

Oh, I subscribe d I think you have something to add.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Ray, Cheers and all the best

[@tommysaulter9171]

Mark... This video goes along with what I’m learning from a custom bullet maker. Too much info to list here. Will email you the details in the not-too-distant-future. Have a great day, my friend...!!! 😎

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@shanerorko8076]

I shoot super sonic apart from 22lr so I would be using drive bands but the local range only allows frangible projectiles. Which is weird because at the Remembrance Day shhot we had 303 ball..........Great video thumbs up.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Shane, Cheers

[@joe74ta1]

You do explain things so well thanks Mark say hi to Sam

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Joe, thanks

[@willemvantsant5105]

Watched a WW2 video recently installing copper drive bands on artillery shell steel castings, very interesting how they prevented the drive band from rotating on the projectile.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@stormiewutzke4190]

I would be interested in watching that if you remember what it was.

[@willemvantsant5105]

Hi, it was a WW2 documentary from UK manufacturing and showing the whole process making them. Can't remember the YT title.

[@tobyjo57]

Thanks for yet another very informative video Mark. May I ask you to clarify a point for me ? Does Monolithic actually mean a Solid Bullet Tip that is Machined ?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Means the bullet is made of one solid material, Cheers

[@tobyjo57]

@@markandsamafterwork Thanks Mark

[@erick7862]

Thanks for an interesting vid! Can I ask if you prefer monolithics to lead core Bullets for elr?

[@markandsamafterwork]

We have a video on the comparison, but I use different for the application, Cheers

[@theartofthereel455]

Any bullet that goes through a riffled barrel is full of "lumps and bumps". Wouldn't that imply that a sabot around the bullet is the best way to go?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No, but all explained over the last couple of bullet videos, Cheers

[@glendunn8881]

Do you have plans to produce and sell the projectiles you design?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No, just our own learning and design purposes, Cheers

[@glendunn8881]

@@markandsamafterwork thank you

[@Jerry-Parker]

🏆🏁🥇👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Jerry

[@kuronyan3006Ackley]

弾頭〜👍💡🎵

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@dingodave3966]

Wowsers, reading most of the comments I can’t really comment lol. Ditto!!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers Man, thanks