Why Longer Formula 1 Cars are FASTER, But WORSE

[@Driver61]

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[@itsthatginger1]

Heads up you forgot to link the reddit post you were using as a source.

[@sjorsrozendaal218]

I fully agree. Modern F1 cars are oiltankers.

[@peel8043]

Just got into F1 and i must say something, the tech and engineering is quite basically becoming the same, so I think that the wheel base being longer is just to cope with the times to allow for better stuff inside. It isn't a 3.5l v10 or v6. I just think the rules are extremely strict, too strict honestly there's no loopholes or BEnding of rules without hurting ferrari's ego. So honestly, i wouldnt mind a mix of both

[@livinginthisgalaxy7961]

The cars of 2020 never looked better. Just make wider tracks...

[@Driver61]

@@itsthatginger1 Thanks, on it!

[@eden5260]

if you've never seen an F150 you wouldn't imagine how massive it is, the fact an F1 car is larger is crazy

[@skwisgaarskwigelf331]

Just look at the front wing when the mechanics are carrying it. It is MASSIVE.

[@kenkalajdzic]

@@skwisgaarskwigelf331 Yeah, it really hit me a few years ago when a marshall picked up a piece of debris - that relatively small endplate on the front wing looks like a damn coffee table in human hands!

[@Donnerwamp]

On the other hand, I once stood next to a Mazda 787B and I was surprised how small it was...

[@truehunger108]

I've seen one, trust me, those things are huge.

[@SmoothBaracuda]

What F150 though? Long box, short box, regular cab, crew cab, double cab, extended cab?

[@M1sterSuck]

"Look at this graph" proceeds to not show it

[@zafrylaiman8695]

Look at this (photo)graph

[@8thlvlMage]

@@zafrylaiman8695 Don't you mean "ggrrrrrAAaaAaaph!" Lol!

[@guccipucci69420]

@@zafrylaiman8695 Everytime it makes me laugh

[@randyesyelnat4957]

@Calen Crawford n.b n.v vfvfffv

[@ThyCorruptor]

He was also just downright wrong about the f-150 number. They are longer yes but f1 cars are only 2m wide which is about the same as a honda accord and smaller than a f150 by a few centimeters for the narrower models.

[@moistgooseberry]

Fully agreed, it's something I've been thinking for years now - the cars have just become so huge that it's made certain tracks almost impossible to overtake on. I miss the nimble darts from the late 90s and early 2000s, definitely my favourite era for cars.

[@cooper512]

They either need to reduce the size or remove/adapt some tracks

[@jondonnelly4831]

Monaco is a joke now. Maybe it should be updated.

[@yat0282]

@@jondonnelly4831 or just remove it from the F1 calendar

[@frantschou2369]

@@jondonnelly4831 agreed, monaco in Formula E for example is acually exciting

[@jackcolson4745]

Especially the V10 engines. Those were my favorite because the music chord of a V10 is a major third.

[@billcranston3882]

Can I tell the difference between 320kph and 300kph when an F1 car zooms past me? Probably not. Can I appreciate a car slowing from 300kph to 60kph in the span of how far I can piss? Yes. Yes I can. And it was especially impressive when you could see the carbon fibre rotors light up like the sun in an instant during hard braking.

[@ilham7345]

How far can you piss?

[@ValentineC137]

@@ilham7345 the distance it takes for an F1 car to slow from 300 to 60 obviously

[@jdog7668]

Holy shit you cam piss 30+meters thats nice jet bro. Imma aspire to be like you.

[@MediHusky]

Please it's probably 10m we're talking about 300-60 not 320-60.

[@jdog7668]

@@MediHusky nah check out the formula 1 tracks and thier braking points. It's like at least 20m away from the turn. Especially at the end of a straight. And even if they were 10m this guy says he can piss as the distance they take to brake. So If we take any reasonable distance he can piss farther than 10m.

[@AlexAlex-Alex]

Would be nice to see the "evolution" of weight in F1 cars! So heavy today..

[@C3lloman]

Weight would naturally come down if they were stricter on enforcing the length.

[@initialdoge8528]

@@hikari..................5355 WHAT THE HELL

[@johnnessuno6515]

Lookat this GraaAAPH....

[@TheEmolano]

Yeah they are almost heavy as a Opel Corsa

[@AlexAlex-Alex]

@@TheEmolano Haha, true in a way. :)

[@TedSchoenling]

I got hooked on F1 in the late 90's early 2000s, the cars just looked violent. They were quick to start, quick to change direction quick to slow. They may not have been faster, but the LOOKED and SOUNDED faster, and that is what is important. Fans don't care about the stopwatch really, they want to see the drivers tame a beast that looks like the average motorist couldn't dream of driving it.

[@steveb6718]

they are faster BUT EASIER to drive, this is not F1

[@nathanstroud2223]

The modern cars don't make as much of an impression on me as the cars from around 2005 did. I had always attributed this to the fact that I watch F1 more regularly now and I've become accustomed to the speed, but more stable and less agile cars is another good explanation.

[@ManOfPillowDoom]

@@steveb6718 ?

[@benbunch4159]

Need them to go back and update the running order graphics to something watchable. Back even a couple years ago the on-screen graphics made it very difficult to follow the race vs what we have now, and go back to the early 2000s or the 90s and its basically unwatchable.

[@nathanstroud2223]

@@benbunch4159 I remember when the lap counter counted down instead of up.

[@wolflegion_]

Love the video, very informative! Small note: the 3D viewing effect on the length-width graph to me was kinda annoying, as you see the data fly by but you can’t understand it.

[@Driver61]

Thanks for the feedback, taken on board! Glad you enjoyed the video, though!

[@wolflegion_]

@@Driver61 no problem man, overall your production quality is sky high :) only recently found your channel, but is has been great binge watching!

[@robertschmitz3788]

I agree, only thing that was bothering me. Great video as always, nonetheless!

[@Depl0rable10]

@@Driver61 yea I'm sure you heard plenty about it already but I'd always recommend keeping your x/y axis stationary. If you wanna add movement make the line move from left to right, make sure you can read the graph in the time you show it for

[@johanvanstaden2408]

@@Driver61 I would have enjoyed to see the y-axis zeroed (range zero to 6m), in order to get an idea for the order of magnitude variation in dimensions - as it is, the changes seem bigger than they really are. EDIT: This is meant purely constructively - your content is always solid!

[@DonLee1980]

2022 cars are getting smaller. Just slightly longer than a Rolls Royce Ghost extended wheel base version. wow, that's great.

[@ASHthenumber27]

As you said a wider car takes more width out of the track, so overtaking is harder, also this effect doubles because both cars are wider. Same goes lenght for every meter the cars get longer its two meters more of car they need to do a full overtake. If we think about overtaking a truck or a car on the road doing 80km/h its way easier to overtake the car because its much shorter, so for we need less space to complete that overtake. With width and leght also came more space for aeroparts which make them way to dependent on that. I for myself like to see if the drivers have to wrestle the car if they are on the limit, a little oversteer always looks cool and would make the driver more importment. If this trend continiues we may see F1 cars flat out at every corner, which would create boring races (that last one is may a bit over the top but i guess you get the point) I'm not an expert, but in short the cars should be way shorter and more narrow with less aero, without reducing the safety part.

[@amjan]

No, that's absolute bullshit. In order to overtake you have to first get alongside the other car. F1 cars used to be over 210cm wide in the 80s until 1993, and IndyCars were also much wider than today's F1 cars and they all battled it out on the track like crazy. Large width is almost never an issue. The tracks are wide as fuck.

[@프레디khjfreddy]

@@amjan This. Most of the tracks are too large for car widths to matter.

[@illdeletethismusic]

@@amjan you shouldn"t be that impolite when you don"t even understand what is being said. car widths are an issue, since not every place on track is equally fast, drivers mostly use very similar ideal lines, and any overtake is a deviation from that to a slower line. also, as you said yourself, for an overtake to happen you have to get alongside first, and then ahead. that is 2 car lengths difference you have to make up somewhere.

[@sn8277]

Surprised it took so long for somebody else to point this length issue out. Good job!

[@cylee4735]

It’s not entirely possible to have way shorter and more narrow cars without reducing safety at this moment. But moving back to ground effect is a good start. It helps to reduce the aero load on the chassis, so in the next major rule change, this can be possible.

[@tomhutchins7495]

Totally agree on them not looking as fast. We were amazed recently watching some replays from 2012 at how fast they looked, how easily they could pass, and most of all how quick the starts looked. I would love to see smaller and more agile cars, which can follow better - but only as long as it doesn't impact driver safety.

[@xenuno]

F1 hasn't had sleek looking (thus fast looking) cars in 2 decades. They just get uglier and uglier ..

[@tomhutchins7495]

@@xenuno You're not wrong. I think the last really good ones I can remember was '05-06ish but it's always going to be personal preference.

[@nxvh9062]

@@xenuno completely disagree, I think the current generations look the fastest and meanest of any generation thus far

[@jackcolson4745]

@@nxvh9062 They look like ugly sailboats.

[@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189]

@@nxvh9062 these modern cars look so smooth and sexy man

[@mushieslushie]

I recently watched a clip of highlights from 2012, and those cars just looked faster. They also seemed way more agile, when they pulled out from behind a car to pass it looked way more quick and violent compared to the slowness of todays cars.

[@JacobStevens13]

I love those old overtakes....on f1 2021 i still do it like back in the days and exaggerate the dart to the side at the last instant

[@josedacunhafilho]

I remember standing next to the Brabham BT 53 at the Montreal paddock in 1984, and realizing how tiny it was. If we put it next to this year's Mercedes it would be an amazing contrast. And that Brabham had a 3/1 power to kg ratio with its 1,400 bhp in qualifier mode and 540 kg! That car was a beauty and a beast at the same time.

[@callummclachlan4771]

Old open wheelers are absolutely tiny. Usually the drivers are only just a bit shorter than the cars are long. At the massive expense of safety though.

[@aobrien2]

No car had 1400bhp. They didnt have a dyno that went up that far. But as lots of engineers say about this myth, its the most technologically advanced engine ever as every year it increases horse power by 100 on its own.

[@racingbecky4155]

@@aobrien2 The famous Brabham BMW had nearly that figure...aound 1340 / 1350 brake HP in qualifying trim. During the race, not at all of course.. they were in the 800/900. 1st Because in the 80' they already tried to slow cars down by banning refuelling and, most important. Those thing had up to 5.2 bars of pressure showed into those turbos, there's no way a thing like that can do more than 2 flying laps before tearing itself apart.

[@jensboomgaard]

I understand the regulation changes though. Racing is always dangerous, but what happened in the 90s was way too much. It is unacceptable to have 2 fatal and 1 nearly fatal crash in a single race weekend, like happened in 1994 at Imola.

[@aobrien2]

@@jensboomgaard that was 1 weekend. No one had lost their life at a track for 14 years before and none happened after till 2014 to Bianchi under a VSC. So it wasn’t too much it was a freak event

[@Vorgaloth]

Watch Mick Schumacher drive his dad's 91' V8 Jordan 191 and see how excited and happy he is. Describing it as "so pure" and "true" and how connected you are with the car - being small, light, loud engine noise, a manual gearbox, no power steering. The F1 cars of the early 90s are the most beautiful. If only they would bring that style and form of racing back but with the modern safety of today. It will never happen even though it would be successful and more entertaining for the fans. The 2021 season is OK but the hybrid era F1 is not as exciting. It's not even close. This video demonstrated a small part of that. The cars today are basically a computer with a quiet engine and 4 tyres.

[@TheHabsification]

They weighed just over to 500kg.

[@dxfifa]

And that Jordan was a bad car for the time too

[@callummclachlan4771]

F1 really screwed the sound up too. Not even a hybrid problem, next gen WRC and BTCC cars are hybrid and still sound awesome. The engines are the same displacement too, just two less cylinders.

[@runninginthe90s75]

That's true, Mick really enjoy driving old Formula car, even though he drive Michael worse Formula car he still enjoyed it more than current Formula, not to mention when he drive Michael's Ferrari F2004 which is much better. That alone enough to explain why current F1 car sucks so bad.

[@lemonstrangler]

actually it was the 90s where a lot of the tech innovations were made, those were times where there was ABS, traction control, even automatic gearbox and not manual lol, and maybe more. so no, it wasnt actually all just pure in that period, changes come and go. its a sport that's continuosly changing so you cant just say this period was good or bad, its like all one period . in the modern f1, they have actually reduced the driving aids , so the 90s were not "pure" racing at all, more like the opposite, and also, power steering was introduced at that time and was used a lot, which is something that is still continued today and didnt get banned.

[@RhaviMarques]

as much as I am loving this title fight for this year... I want to see the 2022 cars on the road so bad

[@LukSter18998]

Merc is just gonna win again and it’s terrible

[@RhaviMarques]

@@LukSter18998 this time last year ham was 90+ points ahead of bottas. Even if he does win, it'll be down to the last race I bet.

[@FRONTI3R_yt]

2022 is going to be a new exciting year for both nascar and f1 as nascar is also unveiling their new gen 7 cars

[@jackcolson4745]

@@LukSter18998 Wow this aged poorly

[@LukSter18998]

@@jackcolson4745 for last year

[@michaellavery4899]

The pre 2017 cars looked insane when they raced and changed direction.

[@tferraz5088]

They were beautiful

[@streamcnoremorse3323]

No/ 2009-2016 cars looks extremely ugly. I want to erase this era. 2000-2008 was good. Today cars are better than 2009-2016

[@cahill22]

While the cars today are absolutely brilliant technically speaking, and faster than anything that's come before; they unfortunately cannot compare to the sheer spectacle of the racing from the cars of 15-20 years ago. And that's not even including how they sound.

[@mondodimotori]

I don't remember any spectacle in the early 2000... It was when people came up with the phrase "Formula Boring". If you want a bit more action (not much, mind you) you have to go back at least to the late '80s. And still it wasn't comparable to something like Moto GP. On F1 Access there are lots of races from back in those days, I suggest to watch some of them to actually see what was the "spectacle" 40 years ago.

[@th3orist]

i agree, recently i watched some older 1990s footage and i was like, damn, these cars look like they are really alive and the drivers actually wrestle the cars around corners, whereas todays F1 looks super clinical and planted, as if the cars drive on rails. I used to watch F1 when i was a teen, i watched almost every race starting 1993 until i believe 2006 (basically the Schumacher era). yes the current cars are faster and for sure more safe but as far as the excitement of actually watching them race goes, its to me really a borefest, i can't get invested at all, thats why i switched to watching GT races, current GT3 cars for example feel much more alive and on top of that still sound like real racecars should. go watch for example a race of the Porsche Carrera Cup and then compare that action and visuals to what you get from a modern F1 race, its just so much more exciting to watch. i get it that F1 has always been the 'pinnacle' of racing and also a platform to push new technologies that eventually came later to everyday cars, but man, as a motorsport F1 to me at least is for years now not the pinnacle anymore.

[@user-fm6bg6ko4p]

Love the cars from 2003 to 2006. Those were beautiful cars.

[@thesteveruss]

Remember the CART cars of 2000 compared to the F1 cars of that year? Now its the other way around.

[@Bobbarker23455]

Those cart cars where absolute animals. But top speed like f1 goes for has nothing to do with great racing at all. Seen more entertaining and competitive mx5 races than alot of f1 races.

[@amjan]

Those CART cars were still shorter than today's F1 boats. They were perfectly PROPORTIONAL. They were wider making them look absolutely BEASTLY. Fantastic cars!

[@dodolurker]

Yup, I remember them. 2000 was the year I started watching CART and was absolutely mesmerized. Those cars were SO cool 😊

[@MrBurgerphone1014]

They were the coolest American open wheel racecars ever.

[@Nassyy]

What does CART stand for? If I'm not mistaken, Sebastien Bourdais won championships in CART

[@danielfinke6677]

2004 was the pinnacle…and just as quick as the current formula. Current fast laps during the race are ~ 1s slower than 2004 fast race laps.

[@Smzxe]

But 2004 F1 were much faster on straights Modern F1 cars can't even reach 320 kph

[@StephenMorganCanada]

If I was every arsed to make a video, this is the video I’d make. Two thumbs up. It’s important to remember that the big jump in length was to keep drivers legs behind front axle for safety.

[@FicaGTI]

It was mandatory to have drivers legs behind front axle from 1988 onwards

[@aobrien2]

No it wasn'. The video tells you why and when!

[@sn8277]

Drivers must sit backwards then, as the length behind them in dis-proportionate to the length out front.....Like a Chevy Monte Carlo in reverse! LOL

[@antothemanto77]

I’m sure they could make small, light, and agile F1 cars that are just as fast as the large current cars. The early to mid nineties cars are my favorite looks-wise

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

Yup, lap times would decrease initially, but they would be back to normal pretty quick, especially if they relax fuel flow restriction rules. Going big is kind of like an American way of making progress which doesn't suit F1 imo...

[@Lobo-cg9mv]

Him: The cars are quicker now. Me: sir have you ever heard of the 04 , 05 f1 cars.

[@calamdumr]

Renault angry engine sounds*** 😂

[@lucasrocha7721]

Always lovely to see your content. Interesting to note that other commenters on F1TV (Craig in this case) put the blame predominantly on the aero side. Larger floor size to generate more downforce and a greater distance from the the front wheels to reduce turbulence. I may be wrong, but I think that with the new regs there is a lower benefit to having a larger car since everyone will be forced to make their diffuser work harder. Will be interesting to see if smaller cars will appear (we know that Newey prefers them) from 2022 onwards.

[@dcsbeemer]

I'd love to see a limit on maximum wheelbase. Let's say 3200mm or thereabouts. EDIT: Interesting, I had no idea that the 2022 regs included a wheelbase limit. Still, 3600mm is a bit much.

[@Bearcat299]

I start watching formula 1 in the Alonso era, 2005 or 2006 I can't remember. But the car from 1998 to 2008 was the best one in my opinion. The looking was awesome. The speed as well. Good overtaking. I think if we go back to those dimensions, and maybe give more freedom given to the team, F1 will be incredible.

[@nhancao4790]

2017 Regulation change was one of the worst changes in recent history. The goal was to make the car faster but pretty much sacrificing overtaking and on-track battles.

[@apophisRO]

Yep. If people wonder why racing sucks nowadays, 2017 is the reason why. The cars before could produce good racing but because mercedes was so good, people remember that time as boring. So if you get mad that there is no racing in the rain (the wheels became also more wide), no racing in monaco or anywhere, remember it's all FIA fault. They essentially damaged the sport too much that is almost unrecognizable to what it was 20-25 years.

[@Warmagon]

It kind of feels like the 2017 rules change was also driven not just by the intent to make the cars faster, but also just to have a significant regulation change in the hopes that Mercedes would get it wrong and end their streak. One of those 'we have to do something, this is something...' type of deals.

[@rkk578]

I have never realised how big the size difference between different eras. Quality content, as always and you explained what I could not articulate regarding why the older F1 cars seemed to be more alive.

[@Hello_there_obi]

This echoes what I've been saying for a while: The hybrid power units have ruined everything

[@joshuawilliams2996]

No, no it doesn't. As mentioned in the video, there are multiple ways to handle all of it, and lmp1 cars, hybrid or not, were limited to 4.7m.

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@joshuawilliams2996 they are bigger in part to accommodate the hybrid power unit which adds more weight. They are also heavier because a hybrid power unit weighs more than a straight ice (~145kg vs ~85kg). You need structure to protect the batteries which are not a stress bearing member so that is excess structural weight.

[@joshuawilliams2996]

@@Hello_there_obi Yes, they are heavier. But weight is possibly the most over rated metric in the sport. And this video didn't echo your sentiments at all: it said cars have gotten bigger in dimensions, but given the state of other classes, it is likely that f1 can reduce car length and width.

[@PointNemo9]

@@joshuawilliams2996 But never will they be anything close to the size of pre-hybrid cars because of all the additional components that need to be carried, this was stated in the video.

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@PointNemo9 exactly

[@ellisjackson3355]

I went to the auto show in the late 2010s.... Infiniti had their Red bull car up there from a year or 2 ago. I asked one of the attendants in the booth to grab a tape measure so we could measure the wheelbase. Turned out to be like 13 ft from the front lugnut to the rear one lmao

[@benbunch4159]

I like 2.5D graphics as much as the next guy and I love the technique and use it all the time…it’s maybe not a great choice for a graph I am trying to look at. Also you missed some collapse transforms switches in AE (assume shape layers or vector files) so the resolution is a bit wonky. There’s a lot of specific tricks to getting that right.

[@BillyRamirez]

1:08 "Look at MotoGP. They have to defend by just being faster." Ok, now I'm interested in MotoGP.

[@TheRalliowiec]

As you should be. F1 is rubbish in comparison.

[@apizuzir3464]

motogp > f1, f1 is there for you to be amazed by the engineering feat but it's boring af

[@27jerry27]

See boys Longer is FASTER but WORSE... I rest my case.

[@KingdomAuto]

Longer and wider than an F150 - that’s crazy. Never would have guessed they were that big!!

[@jamsbong]

You highlight a very good point on the consequence of longer wheelbase car. From an engineering point of view, it isn't always negative. But the perception of speed on a long wheelbase car is certainly more absent than a short car.

[@divyanshusrivastav3706]

Can you do analysis of pre war grand prix cars and engines likes of w125

[@zorbat5]

Pre war? F1 started in 1950..

[@higochumbo8932]

Aha, that sure explains why the F1 of ~2005-2012 looked so much cooler. My only concern for 2022 is that better overtaking ends up making things too easy for teams with faster cars. Specially seeing how Alonso keeping Hamilton behind on a freaking Alpine has been one of the highlights of this season.

[@arvinbuensalida6239]

The fact that an f1 car is larger than a pickup is insane

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

For Europeans like me who don't know how long an F150 is: the current F1s are the length of a brand new Rolls Royce Phantom (and seat only 1 person 😀)

[@kenkalajdzic]

I don't think something as rare as a Rolls Royce would be much better comparison than an F-150 ... As an ordinary European from a small town I probably have about the same chances of seeing either of them IRL - and that chance is roughly 0 :)

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

@@kenkalajdzic Alright. It's the length of a Maybach 57 😬

[@kenkalajdzic]

@@anidiotinaracingcar4874 Haha, don't think that's gonna help either for an average Joe, gotta find something a bit less exotic 😅 BUT, at least here I can say I'm personally familiar (kinda, not with 57 but with last gen Merc-Maybach S-class). And that's only because my local port gets shitloads of them, never seen them in the wild ...

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

@@kenkalajdzic I think the modern "Maybach" S Class is under 5.5m when the W11 is like 5.7m

[@kenkalajdzic]

@@anidiotinaracingcar4874 Yeah, the modern is 5.43 m or something like that. Which means that an F1 car is ~30 cm longer than a top tier luxury saloon. That's absurd.

[@jp8628]

2:18 wow what size difference, I never realized it was so big

[@mrfreckles666]

As you said in the beginning of the video the cars do look much slower than footage from say a decade or two ago, interestingly enough it actually has a lot to do with the aspect ratio of the footage. I forget the exact details of how it makes them look slower but it’s basically to make it easier to follow what’s happening I believe.

[@johncollver3037]

Smaller, lighter, and more agile cars, please! We want to see racing that doesn't seem robotic and isn't over in the first few laps.

[@charlesnienhouse9517]

You touched briefly on the size of the fuel payload - I feel no refueling is the most arbitrary and backwards thinking regulation F1 has ever incorporated. Over 50 years ago Indycar changed the rules to require methanol (now ethanol) to improve safety on the track and in the pits rather than eliminate refueling. In this day and age there is not one single benefit from requiring a race length supply of petrol be carried by each race car. Just ask Romain Grosjean.

[@pcdispatch]

It would even be more fuel efficient to allow refueling again.

[@Bot_967]

It’s a very expensive overhead for teams and a variable that can be removed entirely to force innovation towards fuel efficiency and other areas

[@-row-garfield3129]

@@Bot_967 not really. You can still just allow a max of 110kg fuel per race, even with refueling

[@dylanmonaghan3342]

Who is here in 2023 and still there is a need to get these cars smaller as they look like boats and are hardly as nimble as the ones of yesteryear.

[@kaihiggins3743]

YESSSS

[@joelrodriguez9611]

Me aswell.

[@nikhilpaleti3872]

Actually, the biggest reason why cars today "feel" more stable is because FIA and their crappy video stabilization. The tech is wonderful, I can never imagine such SMOOTH footage from a track monster F1 Car, but it makes it feel lifeless. My point is proven crystal-clear by the un-stabilized helmet-cam that has come this season. Just remove stabilization, maybe briefly or reduce its effect briefly. The absolute and utter violence of even this generation cars.

[@IronBalls007]

First time you did not mention that you are a racing driver that knows it all, thank you for that

[@jamesosullivan8972]

Give me a small, v10 hybrid, with smaller tyres, smaller rims, simplified front and rear winged f1 car. Start changing tracks backs to what they used to be like eau rouge, tamberello and 130 r, just with extra padding and protective barriers. Then just maybe will f1 be as good as it ever was. And 2000s tyres and refueling....... and no drs

[@flynbenny]

It was fantastic watching the Goodwood Revival stream a few weeks ago, and seeing the old 1.5l F1 cars from the 1960s. They are so small and so light, tiny compared to today's F1 cars.

[@roybotnik]

And a thousand times deadlier than today's F1 cars

[@flynbenny]

@@roybotnik You are not wrong. I have been looking at getting my own racing car in a few years, and while I love the look of open prototypes and formula cars, I think an enclosed prototype or something with a "halo" is probably going to be a better choice from a safety perspective. I'll save the open stuff for the sim.

[@KenNakajima07]

Yes, the rear wing might be bizarre but it looks lovely IMO! I'm hyped to see how these new cars will perform!!!

[@1968cdc1]

I remember attending Phx ‘91 and seeing the new Tyrrell raised nose cars and going “Whoa, that’s different”. Now look at the cars.

[@FaithlessEmoRacing]

It would be interesting if you plotted on the graph the minimum weight of the car too. You would see the up trend in the weight matching the length!

[@sevegarza]

1:25 and this is why I love the 1996 Williams FW18! Shortest car since the early 70s, as narrow as the cars in the 60s, screaming V10, and still won a championship.

[@WeirdSeagul]

reintroduce refuelling. low fuel laps are the best and there is no reason it couldn't be done safely

[@jackytwix]

then all the passing will happen in the pits and not out on track.

[@Hempujonsito]

pit stops already play a big enough influence on the outcome of the race to make them even bigger

[@hankrearden5460]

@@jackytwix They already play a role in that. Most passing in F1 is done in the pits. Making the cars smaller would allow for more track battles when they do happen.

[@alsa4real]

Yes

[@hankrearden5460]

@@Hempujonsito the only answer is to make the cars smaller and go back to 2005 where they didn't change the tires. That of course just ends up with teams playing the management game instead of racing.

[@OreoForRuario]

This may have been premature. Two races on this year's massive cars and the racing has been some of the best I remember seeing in F1

[@olivialambert4124]

And things like this is precisely why I've moved towards MotoGP over F1 this year. Pretty much every common complaint of F1 is good with MotoGP from what I'm seeing. Lots of overtaking, definitely see the racing happening, better sound, and even the worst team on the grid is getting podiums, more even application of rules, less grey areas (strictly no off-track nonsense) and so on. And whilst I'm excited for 2022 I'm no longer as optimistic, as it seems like the current predicament is due to F1's approach of adding rules every time they want a tweak, and then adding more rules when their predictions end up wrong. That doesn't seem to have changed in 2022 either, unfortunately.

[@Tjezee]

That was a well edited, informative video. Well done.

[@hexgraphica]

Cars from the post 1.5L turbo era are the best looking one up until 1993, when they reduced rear tyre width. Motorsport needs variety as well

[@vl9322]

i drive f150 and i would never imagine f1 car was wider and longer its absolutely massive , thats why i love watching this videos

[@emir.e99]

*As a Person Who grew up watching f1 in 90s and 2000s this so called Evolution make me dipress as hell* *I miss 2000s f1 era :'D* *Ateast 2022 cars lool cool tho*

[@kbkman7742]

I don't think it's controversial at all to suggest the 'old days were better'. The late 90s and early 2000s cars were exciting, and intimidating. Fuel strategies made races exciting. I used to love attending races as a spectator, but after the hybrid era began it just got so boring to be trackside

[@sulphurous2656]

And instead, the cars got even bigger for 2022...

[@bicyclist2]

I love the era of Senna in the 80's. The 90's cars weren't bad ether. I'm not a fan of the longer modern F1 cars. This was very interesting. Thank you.

[@ndeepanshu6541]

Race organizers should ,organize a special type of race with no limitations and restrictions, except for 5 , it should be safe to drive, must not exceed a given horsepower ,should no not hold more than a specific amount of fuel, should not be wider than x meters, should not be longer than y meters.

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[@ADRIAAN1007]

*"I like them big, I like them chunky"* - Moto Moto (Madagascar, 2005)

[@moshambles]

I really appreciate that Hamilton (with the most to lose) has been the biggest critic of the larger/heavier cars, over the last few years

[@f3p]

@TheWeeaboo he doesn’t mean to ruin peoples races, and when he does do you expect him to just retire from the race or something?

[@rexthewolf3149]

This reminds me of Dale Earnhardt Sr and restrictor plates. Despite being the best racer when they were on he hated them.

[@f3p]

@TheWeeaboo most people competing in a prestigious competition will not give people wins. Just because lauda does it doesn’t mean everybody else should.

[@sergeantsupreme4395]

@TheWeeaboo Lauda didn't retire to give Hunt the title he retired because he didn't want to race in torrential rain with limited vision after his accident You cant be serious with anything you're saying lol if you dont like Hamilton fair enough but this is just idiotic 🤣

[@sergeantsupreme4395]

@TheWeeaboo Pretty irrelevant really, you responded to literally the final and least important point I made for a reason (you have no counter argument?)

[@hugolouessard3914]

Retire MGU-H to make space, bring back refueling (I know, safety, but when it stops, how many years had passed without a incident?), scale back the noses, limit the length between wheels, shorten the space between tyres and front wing, that will do for length. For width, well bring it back to 180cm... With the ground effect, effects would be limited I think in terms of downforce For weight, well fuel and MGU-H measures would do much already. I think the 1997-2008 cars were the most beautiful overall. Very agile, they looked so hard to drive. I don't care if the cars are 3 seconds slower on a lap or anything like this, I want to see real F1. Let engineers fight on all the things regulated for no reasons, bring back tyre competition (with cost limits). Refueling + tyre changes and tyre war have given us the best strategy fights. I'm glad someone finally talks about the subject that annoys me the most in F1 ! Anyway, let's see what 2022 regulations will bring ! I'm really looking forward to this. 2017 regulation was the worst...

[@foxman105]

Expecting F1 to declare their new regulations for SUV design of the cars for their next big revision.

[@FrancoDFernando]

In the thumbnail, the 1990 car profile was the one I first saw. So to me, that is the quintessential F1 car. So beautiful

[@BAndersen-ee1xy]

The part that really bothers me about the new cars(apart from the hub caps-yuk!)is the length and especially the weight. The two meters width is great with the wide tires. But for F1, inside of 20 years, to have gained near 200kg is absurd. I think that the team that designed the new cars should be given a new mission: put F1 cars on a diet to shed at least 50-75kg. If you look at the cars of the 90’s-00’s on track, they have such quick change of direction and appear agile, lithe, and trim. I think this can be achieved without sacrificing safety.

[@federicorubioceja2299]

I went to a GP in 1986 and the cars looked barely bigger than a gokart. Drivers were also tiny.

[@steveb6718]

its simple, watch Hamilton's reaction to Alonso in the renault at abu dhabi.... enough said the car looks, feels, and sounds amazing compared to the fast dog shit now

[@OMarcelo12]

Driver61 and Chain Bear are the best F1 channels that there are out there, it is so much informative and educational. I love it

[@bulversteher]

2:15 - intuitive, but wrong thinking. Read up Adrian Newey's book. He reacted by making his championship winning McLaren _longer_. The graph you're showing (that's a bit strange because the blue width line should not feature a dip around 1996) reflects this as well.

[@jonnilsson3847]

Could you please elaborate a bit on what they got wrong and how Adrian Newey thought around the subject? Thank you.

[@AP-gn9fd]

So glad someone actually addressed this!!!

[@sevegarza]

I think F1 should work out what power unit design would result in the cars becoming smaller and lighter. For example, maybe you can get rid of the hybrid all together so the overall power unit is smaller and lighter You would have to increase the fuel load a bit but maybe the overall package will still be lighter/smaller. Or maybe just remove the MGU-H. F1 needs to stop obsessing with lap times. In 2017, F1 made those rule changes because LMP1 qualifying lap times were getting almost as fast as F1 cars. Like who cares? We all know that we COULD make cars super fast around a track by giving them active aero, AWD, single use engines, and 'fan-car' like downforce. That doesn't mean we should. F1 cars 20 years ago had slower lap times but looked SOOO much faster!! At the end of the day all that's all matters.

[@bocahdongo7769]

It's almost impossible to remove hybrid. Let's be honest, all LMP1 went into hybrid despite pretty unrestricted rule of the engine. Both the hybrid advantage and relevancy (a.k.a. manufacture incentives) are never a joke.

[@bocahdongo7769]

@@v10-e8y They did it in LMP1 Guess what? All of them went hybrid with more or less similar setup. Only Porsche that push the boundary of 4 cylinder engine. But who wants to see 4 cylinder on F1 anyway

[@maverickjingle5432]

F1 peaked in 2004. It's been downhill since then. They never looked as fast as they used to be back then. The size but also the engine downsizing led to where we are know. Big fat cars breaking records even thought they don't give that impression anymore.

[@aikanaro236]

Ross brown puts his attention in criticizing drivers, intead of criticizing his designs and make the cars lighter.

[@lukasgarage956]

Recently seen a display of some RB f1 cars, when you see the difference in person it's incredible and sad at the same time, the older cars looked so much better

[@SusloNick]

Remove unwieldy hybrid, keep big tyres for mechanical grip but reduce wings and car size

[@MADMAX-nm7zf]

Nothing what so ever can beat the old honda-ferrari V10-12 screaming at 18-20.000 rpm 🤤 miss the the good old 80-90 formula1 ... Those guys drove to both win and to survive

[@ChristianStout]

I'd like to see an FIA "Heritage League" racing designs from the 60s.

[@WingmanAlpha]

The new gen of F1 cars are simply ugly and no fun to watch.

[@ncgsc]

May I add the fact that they sound like giant leaf blowers. "Ferrari 412" now that's the sound of F1

[@gordonsulc8319]

The true path to acceptance from, "it was better in the old days" is to embrace the fact that Moto GP is better. -- former F1 fan

[@vikj1255]

Great video. Always thought the 'old' cars looked so much better.

[@Watchmedome3017]

We need smaller cars! Early 2000s where the best cars IMO get rid of the hybrid systems it makes no sense ! F1 doesn’t need to be relevant with road cars! That’s what the GT series are for!

[@amjan]

Stop making me vomit!! Those narrows cars look like a joke! 1989-1992 is where it's at. Over 210cm wide and short.

[@Watchmedome3017]

@@amjan idc about you

[@mitraarjoonjr.8973]

Everything said...2018 to 2021 cars do look good 😍😍

[@TheStrolch]

Don't try to make a plot "look cool" by projecting it into 3D space... You can't see shit. Just show us the whole graph and don't to fancy animations on it.

[@Driver61]

Good feedback, taken on board.

[@viper341]

Late 90s and early 2000s cars were my favorite.

[@jzhu623]

I hate stretch limo proportions of the current generation. Thankfully the increased wheel size of the 2022 cars have helped with that.

[@donkorleone20]

good video. next time try showing the charts/graphs in full, instead of in an animation

[@gary2kr1]

I've been watching formula 1 for decades. But it wasn't until I went to my first race and watched in person about 6 years ago that I realized how big these cars were. It can't be easy to know where the 4 corners are when driving 😳

[@MarcSob22]

The Ferrari F2004 is the fastest F1 car ever made! Estimates as well as Ferrari customer events show that the F2004 with current tires would be 3s to 5s faster than the 2020 cars that have the most record laps in F1! At Ferrari client events, some F2004 owners using current tires were even faster than the times of drivers with current cars, at Monza for example it was faster than Raikonnen's most historic lap in 2018! But FIA prohibits disclosure, I think to avoid even more criticism beyond the ones you've been getting, for this horrible F1 in the last few years since they stopped using the V10!!

[@klutzyblubber9877]

Driver61 back with more F1 2022 car lore 😁

[@001barca]

I totally agree and that's why the new F1 2022 looks so much better and faster. First time a proper pretty F1 car came after 8-9 years. The season already looks phenomenal.

[@ВадяРотор]

F1 is a show. Cars are big so the audience attending the show can see them better

[@henrywalter4750]

I was at the Silverstone museum recently and was struck by exactly this. The modern cars are massive compared to the older ones.

[@nothinghere7391]

I'm actually trying to get into F1. I like the concept of watching the most advanced racecars in the world racing against each other all over the world. But, like with every other motorsport I started watching, I'm trying to learn about the history of F1 and watching old races. That's the problem. I'm nodding off in the middle of the races of today. The cars look like they're on rails now and they're extremely spread out. Now, making them less spread out would only be possible by artificially bringing them closer together. The only way to make the races (cars being basically alone on the track) more enjoyable to watch is to make the cars harder to control and less reliant on pure downforce

[@callummclachlan4771]

That's why even as a Motorsport fan. F1 is the only category I won't watch, it's too processional. I love the technology and like the vast majority of the drivers. But not the actual racing. Heck. If given the choice to watch between F1 and NASCAR, I'd pick the latter. Even though I know very little drivers. Could also be because I'm currently going through an off-road and rally phase.

[@boerebru]

I think any F1 car's overall length over 5 meters is ridiculous. They should be in contention with the length of the ave Sedan. Also they didn't make any changes to the width of the car? You point the car is so wide they can't be overtaken is this at 2 meters and is 2 meters still the max for next F1?