10 genius F1 innovations that were outlawed

[@kstxevolution9642]

F1: we want to be the most technologically advanced racing series Also F1: no not like that

[@jackvearncombe9892]

All about money though ain't it, they didn't want costs to go through the roof for manufacturers. Then you get merc spending £250mil+ a year these past years and winning everything lol.

[@Jason-jb1vs]

f1 teams wants that, FIA dont

[@bimbettocavallo]

Innovation flourishes when limitations are in place. That's the beauty. If there were no limitations, it would be much less interesting

[@2jzandys444]

FIA outlaws their inventions

[@bullettime8760]

Ummm you do realize that some of these innovation are outlawed because the team *voted* for them being outlawed right?

[@askeladden450]

The ultimate achievement for an F1 engineer is to design something so good that it gets outlawed

[@hozhuofeng9877]

It's like getting called a hacker in a game when you're actually not hacking

[@stijnschelkens1146]

@@hozhuofeng9877 but still getting banned in the game

[@hozhuofeng9877]

@@stijnschelkens1146 That is a different story

[@dylanzrim3635]

@@hozhuofeng9877 more like being called a hacker but your mods don’t break any rules

[@TheCynicalOptimist88]

It's such a paradox , I guess ultimately it's better to give slight amount of performance increase in the most subtle way . Not enough to illicit an audit and therefore ban, just enough to give the slightest edge. So it can be used for an entire season or seasons .

[@SultanOfAwesome]

Wish they never banned the exhaust blowing. The downshifts sounded amazing

[@Firebolt1729]

Well it’s the FIA, what did you expect?

[@stellar6643]

Those downshifts sounded like farting

[@gildedred7618]

Electric guitar fart

[@MrSkeleton131]

@@stellar6643 Nah mate have you heard Webber and Vettel downshifting at Monza in 2011? Reminded me of the A-10 Warthog

[@tony_5156]

That woukd made these Wek sounding V6s spin actually decent

[@MajesticDemonLord]

Now that there's a budget cap, I kinda want the FIA to simply say set the rules in terms of maximum car size, weight, and Safety features - and then let everyone (within the Budget Cap) go wild.

[@craigcottam]

As cool as that would be to see, it would go against the FIA's desire to see closer racing.

[@samrodgers7524]

that's exactly what I was thinking. Imagine the crazy cars we could see tearing up the grid. But unfortunately that would mean 1 team would almost always be dominant for a season having found the best package or innovation that the rest would scramble to copy for the rest if the season to catch up

[@kitalalaris]

They need to force jackwads like Mercedes to narrow their cars down. There's no real racing in F1 anymore specifically because of Mercedes in particular making every new car an inch or two wider on every iteration, ON PURPOSE, so no one can pass them, ever.

[@craigcottam]

@@kitalalaris 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You do realize car width is specified in the rule book right? It's one of the things the scrutineers look at. I guarantee every car on the grid is the same width within a couple of mm.

[@IanHobday]

@@kitalalaris Me thinks you need to read the regulations. Teams don't get to make their cars arbitrarily wide.

[@taipizzalord4463]

That tuned mass damper was a marvel of engineering.

[@SilentStrike117]

Would like to see it back I’d think it be cool

[@Firebolt1729]

FIA : Do I smell innovation? *Banned*

[@Leshic2]

The mass damper should be made legal. It would help trickle it down to street cars, where it would help the everyday car. Mass damper help improve stability... It made no sense why it was banned in the first place.. It doesn't create a safety issue. So many of these bans made no sense. Rear wheel steering, fans, independent height controlled suspension, F-duct, double diffusers... So many should be allowed... Most of these would have trickled down to street cars and made them better.

[@johnathangunzzesq.7168]

@@Leshic2 moat were banned to stop teams spending so much...but tith the budget cap ur right...many of these shpuld be allowed...teams can only spend what the budget it, so you wouldnt have limitless spending on development for all of them....teams would use the ones they could make effectively and cheaply

[@lcker6973]

@@Leshic2 as was said in the video - mass dampers were banned cause Ferrari wanted them banned

[@Lacquerhead-TX]

Blown diffusers were by far my favorites over the years. A big fat middle finger to the FIA reg writers, courtesy of some clever engineering. :)

[@eldenyoe7015]

the sound of it is what i miss most abt it

[@MartinTheGhost]

@@eldenyoe7015 RB-7 goes BRRT BRRT BRRRRTTT

[@Loki-sk7bi]

Hearing the sound of blown diffusers echoing in Singapore while I was going around in the city got me into F1. They sounded monstrous!

[@JERR1_78]

I cant understand, why blown diffuser is not allowed? Exhaust gas still gonna be wasted anyway..

[@dahorn100011]

The F-duct was my favourite. It's so elegant and simple, yet a very clever loophole.. You aren't allowed moveable aero devices. However, the driver covering a hole in the cockpit with their left leg down the straights caused it to stall airflow over the rear wing making it more slippery. It wasn't a moveable aero device, but acted like one.

[@Kirinboi]

Something about that mass damper was so simple yet effective. What a shame it got banned

[@60037894]

Mamaia Ferrari..

[@Juandinggong]

I personally find that insulting to the engineers who spend so much time developing such a fine tune equipment to have it banned.

[@Kirinboi]

@@Juandinggong I agree, it’s not like it’s a intentional loop hole like the diffuser or blown exhaust. It was such a simple item tuned to perfection. Imagine todays cars with a tuned mass damper, maybe there will be more aggressive driving manoeuvres

[@anggabudi5619]

@@Kirinboi alonso will jumping on kerbs aggresively like 2005 renault 😁

[@Mr_OoOsH]

Maybe they will make a comeback, in MotoGP mass dampers are in full effect as well as some gyroscopic stabilisers

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

One rather glaring omission - the dual-chassis Lotus Type 88. I made a slideshow full of these banned innovations for an engineering class in high school and made a point of including that insane piece of machinery. One chassis to bear the brunt of ground effect aero, the other to house the driver and protect them from the rough ride and porpoising that entailed the era's hydropneumatic suspension. The design only ever saw one race weekend in Long Beach, and Colin Chapman was adamant that it be allowed to race....to the point that he hired a Nixon lawyer to back him up! The design was banned the moment it showed up, and Chapman then declared that he would head off to Florida to watch the space shuttle launch, as F1 no longer valued mankind's technological advancement. Ouch.

[@gabormiklay9209]

Interesting facts about the double chassis: The word 'chassis' is both singular and plural. So you say: 1 chassis, 2 chassis, unlike 1 tyre, 2 tyres. That was the loophole in the regulation Chapman took advantage of. Lotus drivers hated double chassis cause it was inconsistent when cornering, so it gave a totally unpredictable car behavior. Wouldn't have been successful anyway.

[@thatguybrody4819]

@@gabormiklay9209 that's why it's called innovation. You run it and make improvements where rough spots come up in field testing.

[@gabormiklay9209]

@@thatguybrody4819 Haha. Actually chassis is plural both in counts and timeline... 🤔

[@thethirdman225]

The term 'dual chassis' was just semantics. Chapman knew it and so did everyone else.

[@1212goose]

Imagine how different all the cars would be if none of these were banned. Some of these can't work together so they would have to pick and choose the right combination for their drivers.

[@andrewcharlton4053]

One way would become the fastest over time and that would become universally adopted

[@unfairfight3625]

The cars would be too fast as drivers would pass out from g forces ,, it happened in indy cars ,the race had to be cancelled.

[@procatprocat9647]

Get real. The racing would be awful! One team would develop the best solution and would walk the championship. You need to watch the engineering robot challenges. F1 is not for you.

[@SpaceRanger187]

@@procatprocat9647 When being the smartest and fastest is loosing.They need an open class

[@helicrazee]

@@unfairfight3625 pffff a fighter jet can do that Why would you drive knowingly to pass out A fighter jet has more forces than a car But its not the point You just wouldn’t push it that hard

[@jimgraves4197]

The "Twin Chassis" Colin Chapman designed was a mad idea in the ground effect days. Driver sat in the chassis that carried the engine and running gear whilst the bodywork was a separate chassis that was allowed to flex under down force and create more ground effect. The other teams put a protest in and the FIA banned it before it had a chance to race.

[@rollingout8416]

Yes. It was Chapman finding a loophole in wording of the regulations. They stated the driver, engine, suspension etc must all be attached to the chassis. The plural of chassis is chassis so Chapman figured he could have more than one and suspend the driver in the inner chassis and have everything else bolted to the outer chassis.

[@robg521]

Lotus twin chassis. Before the season started It originally passed scrutineering and was allocate a chassis number by the FIA and classed as legal to race. It was only banned after Ferrari got wind of it and complained. The comments at the time were “if it was painted red and had a prancing horse on the front, it would have been allowed to race”

[@basher20]

What I've read indicates that he twin chassis was something that worked much better in a wind tunnel than on the traack. Any changes of attitude between the chassis would result in potentially sudden and extreme changes in downforce, like when the suspension loading would change during a multiple-apex corner. supposedly the drivers were not sad to see it outlawed.

[@tjneumann7828]

​@Rob G That's true of most of what's in here lol.

[@thethirdman225]

⁠@@robg521 *_”It was only banned after Ferrari got wind of it and complained.”_* Not true. Not even close. The scrutineers at Silverstone might have felt like giving old mate Colin a bit of encouragement but the real opposition came from within FOCA. The FISA, as it was known then, stepped in when a lot of British teams objected. Of course, they’d be perfectly happy for you to blame Ferrari and the FIA (which didn’t exist then).

[@Jwm367t]

2:03 - Not me just realising that I had a piece of F1 technology on my wrist when growing up! So funny to see that casio watch being glued onto the steering - F1 has come a long way

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

Live timing 😂

[@rcblitzfpv8346]

Still have mine now and works spiffing

[@vaughnsigal4560]

I’ve still got mine haha, there’s a reason it was used back then, it’s so simple, easy to read, and doesn’t show you anything you don’t need, love it

[@rcblitzfpv8346]

Vaughn Sigal speaking of that I've got mine on now 😂

[@damionlee7658]

I've got one of those attached to a vent on my dash. The strap broke, and I had two of them so the other one gets worn when I'm working and the broken strap on the other one is ideal for threading into an unused air vent.

[@pauleiler5648]

I was lucky enough to attend the first GP in Phoenix, and sit next to Mario & Michael Andretti (the year before he move to F1) and Bobby Rahal. It was during the Friday practice session, and the three of them pointed out the Williams and it's active suspension. The next hour was a lesson in how aero and suspension worked, and I got to go with them down to just outside the final turn and they showed me how the Williams (and I think Ferrari as well) worked coming into the turn and then exiting onto the main straight. While all other cars would dive/squat under both braking and acceleration, the Williams would just lower down smoothly. It was fascinating to watch, and even more amazing to hear 3 legends talk about it. As they politely said their goodbye's after practice to go into the pits, Michael looked at me and said "You're going to want to be a Maclaren fan next year" and gave me a wink. Pretty cool stuff.

[@burbt6069]

Nice one Paul. It’s great to hear that some of the big names in F1 are so passionate about the sport that they will share their observations with a fellow fan. It obviously made your day👍

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Imagine if all these were not banned. We'd could have ended up an 8 wheel steering fan car with ground effect, active suspension, blow double diffusers and flexible wings 😳

[@thomas316]

Drivers would probably be blacking out due to the G-loads in corners.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@@thomas316 or they'll be wearing compression suits like fighter pilots wear 😉

[@chriscollins550]

Have no head left after snapping them off.

[@MichaelEilers]

It sounds cool in concept, but it would just give evidence to the main accusation other racing classes and types always throw up in F1’s face: that the cars are not relevant to road-going cars.

[@aliensaxophone]

Sounds like hot-rod children toy XD someone should design one in 3d Totally bonkers

[@l.a.2646]

It would be great to have an " outlawed" F1 series, just to see who can really make a difference. It would be interesting for the engineering crowd and fans , but sponsorship might be tough to obtain at least initially.

[@alaeriia01]

I like this idea a lot. Give them a spec engine and gearbox, apply a cost cap, and let the engineers go nuts. Award prize money for the most devious ideas.

[@l.a.2646]

@@alaeriia01 yeah it could really be advantageous for the entire sport.

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

they had “outlawed” system in rally with group B you see how that went

[@l.a.2646]

@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 yeah but those group b guys are already crazy. 😉

[@bennynagon9322]

They had Can-am racing back in the 1960s, 70s and 80s which was pretty much that. Sadly the interest wore off and it was discontinued. The fan car called Chapparal 2j, is the only car being banned in that series because of how overpowered it was lol

[@nunocarmona]

The only bans I found having some justification on this video were the ones related do gizmo bans (where FIA was trying to make pilots more decisive for performance) and the DAS (given the cost cap current philosophy) . As for the other innovations I really didn't get why they were banned. None of them were dangerous, dubious or only achievable by deep pocket teams.

[@f2b32]

Mostly agree but the f duct can be dangerous because it made the drivers take one hand off the steering wheel at high speeds. Most of the cockpit innovations throughout history were made so the drivers can have both hands on the wheel (gear shifters, clutch, buttons on the wheel etc.) but the f duct did the opposite. Still would've been interesting to see how F1 would've evolved if the other ones weren't disallowed...

[@juancesaretti]

Keep in mind that the damper is not something you would like to have in front of you if you were to pay a visit to the tyre wall

[@shadowguy128]

@@f2b32 I mean mclaren introduced it by putting the hole where the drivers legs were but Ferrari and every other team just put the hole near the steering wheel

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

The only bans I consider fair play are bans for safety and maybe cost, everything else is fair play. F1 is supposed to be a team sport and engineering playground before anything else, There's feeder and spec for more driver based championships.

[@captbeardy]

If Ferrari can’t make it work the it’s illegal, if not now, by the end of the season. This was a well established fact before the took over at the FIA.

[@guard13007]

I think my favorite thing to learn about is the exhaust blowing, and how many times they tried to stop it by changing position, only for engineers to just be like "oh, that's fine, we'll just redirect the flow"

[@AudreyH48]

I think the Fan car by Gordon Murray is such an icon of engineering that it still *blows my mind* Love seeing the 70's photos also, it's such a different time to now.

[@dsdy1205]

Ironically in his Behind The Grid interview he didn't think too much of it, and felt it was a relatively quick hack

[@Firebolt1729]

The “fan car” idea was borrowed from Chaparral

[@Jerrys_world486]

Hahaha fan car…. Blew your mind.. get it

[@richardburns420dale3]

Can-Am series in North america pioneered the design. They also pioneered many of the side skirt aero piece to seal the beneath of the car

[@acruzp]

I see what you did there

[@BuBornham]

The fan car will always be my favorite crazy idea from how much of a "science fair project" look it had, combined with how effective it was on track.

[@gunnerred.2711]

I'd love to see the teams be able to go nuts with their designs for 1 season and see what happens

[@gamm8939]

Merc, RedBull or Ferrari absolutely dominate because they can literally buy anything

[@Benjamin-xv9le]

The cars wouldn't be driveable by humans anymore as the g forces would literally break their necks.

[@W--ko9ms]

With sufficient cornering speeds drivers will simply pass out.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

@@Benjamin-xv9le Bullshit. How the hell do fighter jets exist?

[@ace0736]

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 your jet fighter isn't running an average 3-3.5g over the course of 90min. Yes they do experience high g and in some cases higher but not for the extended period of time like F1

[@radamus210]

My favorites are the ones being used now that we won't know about for years to come because they must be absolutely brilliant to evade the FIA. And I love everything that can be snuck past officials.

[@notmenotme614]

An alien disguised in a Max Verstappen suit

[@VonBlade]

Any time the words "Benetton" and "never raced" are mentioned, read "Benetton" and "Never discovered by the scrutineers".

[@bigt6359]

Every team pushes the rules and every team cheats... it’s racing!

[@Red5_]

Edit: Schumacher cheated

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@Red5_ There were rumors that Schumacher cheated somehow but nothing was proven.

[@spoon072000]

By far it was 1982 and the Brabham BT49's "liquid cooled brakes". It allowed the car to race way under-weight, but the regs allowed for a car to have it's coolant topped off before scrutineering. Presto! Car is back to legal weight. Pure genius!

[@thomas316]

Actually the 'fluidic switch' made a comeback when Mercedes pioneered the "Double DRS" idea. My favourite innovation was the piano wire used by RedBull. They ran a high tensile resistive wire to the rear and front wing which would be momentarily heated by applying voltage to relieve tension (as a wire gets hot it increases in length) on the straights allowing the front wing to 'relax' and generate less drag. Sadly it was banned so they had to go to aerodynamically actuated flexi wings which themselves have been an ongoing battle with the FIA since. 😅

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

Yo I've never heard of this "piano wire" trick! The _little_ things teams come up with, man.....

[@thomas316]

Was discovered after a crash when other teams noticed all the wires running inside the nose cone and worked it out. To scrutineers it just looked like tensile strengthening.

[@actually5004]

​@@thomas316 Good thing that didn't trickle down. Sir your oil change is done but we noticed your pianos were out of tune- that'll be $445 with the luthiers' fees.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

F1: Wants to be at the pinnacle of innovation and performance. Also F1: That's too innovative and performs too well.

[@samkmusicofficial1034]

Then they ban the invention, and engineers and designers will create even MORE genius inventions. You seem to not get the point. Innovation flourishes with more restrictions. Restrictions pushes these engineers to come up with better stuff. Then the better stuff gets banned, engineers make more genius inventions, and so on and so forth until it reaches the absolute maximum point science can allow. Some of the innovations we have seen in the past 10 years might not be realized if they didn't ban other innovations 20 years ago.

[@nicksurface3513]

F1 is the pinnacle of laws and restrictions

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

“Formula” refers to a set of regulations. Complaining that formula 1 is regulated is like complaining that you can’t carry the ball by hand in soccer. The regulations ARE the sport.

[@alaeriia01]

Unless Ferrari invented it, then it's okay.

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

@@IZn0g0uDatAll I just wish it were more like whacky races... Or Twisted Metal. That game fuckin' slapped.

[@gabormiklay9209]

06:25 F-duct inspired the idea of DRS, so it still exists in the form of the Drag Reduction System.

[@RACECAR]

For me, the Exhaust blown diffusers made F1 even more amazing audio wise (The Mclaren, Lotus and Red Bull being a huge favorite of mine). I missed the odd cutting out sound that TCS gave F1 cars in the early 2000s so this kinda made up for that. Its why I love how the current cars sound under braking and off throttle. I can't explain why but I have a soft spot for those kinds of sounds in general even outside of F1 (Such as that weird off-throttle Burble on the Ford GT GTLM or that sputtering effect on both the Nissan V6 in the ByKolles LMP1 and the V6 in the Acura ARX-05) I will say that both the Fan car and the six wheels are also cool just in how clever they were (And I would argue the standout example of looking at a rulebook and going "Well, they didn't say we couldn't do it..")

[@c0r5e]

FIA: Let’s make F1 safe Also FIA: Bans ABS and Traction Control FIA: Let’s make pit stops slow instead

[@chriscollins550]

Traction control was made illegal because it took away the skills of needing to drive the car same with Abs. It's called drivers aids. Anything that helps the driver control the car was made illegal. Making sure it's down to the driver to race the car and not technology.

[@EmmieFloding]

driver aids like ABS and TC aren't considered safety systems in motorsport, maybe safety would be higher if they were implemented but not implicitly, only by reducing frequency of crashes not the danger of them, the cars would be much much safer if they went only 100kmh but we don't want to see that either same way the sport is better with less driver aids

[@MikkoRantalainen]

ABS and traction control were banned to make overtaking easier because the leading car will make more mistakes with both braking and acceleration. I think they should create some other means to make overtaking easier than crippling the cars. Maybe go back to 2005 regulations where tires can be made as perfect as possible (currently tires are intentionally bad, especially the soft compounds) but you cannot change them during the race? That would allow going faster if you're willing to sacrifice tire surface but you'll suffer later in the race if you do that.

[@chriscollins550]

@@MikkoRantalainen well if you go to the FIA site. It says there ABS and TS was banned to take away driver's ads to put it in the skills of each driver. Having tires compounds break down fast makes racing more tactical. They need to make them even more soft. Also should make two stops in forced or use all three compounds in a race. Having tires that can last a full race only means its about hard racing and nothing else.

[@brianvogt8125]

Pit stops should be made especially slow because they promote the mentality of the thow-away society. The modern F1 policy of penalising engine & gearbox changes to promote careful use & reliable design should be extended to tyres.

[@ragerancher]

"Hey guys we got this great new idea. What we do is..." "BANNED!" "Ok, well based on the new rules we could instead..." "BANNED!" "How about..." "BANNED!" "But..." "BANNED!"

[@nicksurface3513]

Formula BANNED

[@EyeInTheSkypaulmcmenamin]

Perfect timing with your upload. Just sat down on the throne! 👌

[@joysticktabby4520]

Same xD

[@pleepler]

Blown diffuser in action

[@WeAreTheRace]

Happy to be of service! 😂

[@Firebolt1729]

I bet you had great rear downforce

[@rmelv]

You forgot this mate 👑 😂

[@andrew4517]

10 innovations that were banned. Okay, here’s what we should do: at the end of the season, let each team choose a technology from this video to put on their car, chosen in reverse order. Then, run a 3 race mini season in January and February reserve or development drivers. Top 3 drivers get superlicenses, and top 3 teams get 5, 4, 3 extra testing days with next year’s car, respectively.

[@ELSTERLING]

From what I understand the biggest issue with the P34, Goodyear refusing to supply them with updated rubber aside (probably at the behest of Ferrari) was that when the attitude of the car changed or bumps were hit the wheelbase of the car could temporarily change making the balance very unpredictable. Likely a defect they could have minimized eventually but it wasn't to be sadly. I have sat in the cockpit of the P34 and it was kind of a magical feeling.

[@jsdbroughton]

Would have been good to reference the lap time benefit of each of these innovations. Bans on the basis other teams protest need the context of how scared they are.

[@ribbonsofnight]

lap time benefit is pretty tricky to quantify. If you make some system that allows you to win a race by being 0.2 seconds a lap faster on one track (and then it gets banned) would it have been otherwise equal? In fact if you remove that trick it could be 3 seconds a lap slower. How would we really know.

[@benamende5897]

@@ribbonsofnight Compare the lap times of the car before and after the changes with the same driver. Or look at theoretical improvement. One of the engineers would have had to show that whatever was outlawed would have increased speed. They probably would have had some graphs that show the expected difference.

[@SiVlog1989]

The thing about Sweden 1978, Mario Andretti in fact started from pole and despite Bernie Eccleston trying to throw the other teams off the scent by having his cars qualify on full tanks, John Watson started second and Niki Lauda third

[@ItzAnonyms]

Not only on full tanks, Watson and Lauda were also specifically told to sangbag even on a full fuel load, as well as sandbagging during the race

[@Dat-Mudkip]

From what I understand, Bernie was actually quite annoyed with Niki in particular, as he wasn't sandbagging enough. EDIT: Further context: Bernie didn't want to make it clear to the competitors exactly how much benefit the Fan Car had. As such, he instructed anyone who piloted the cars (this being NIki Lauda and John Watson) to be careful with how fast they went. Indeed, the pair "only" qualified second and third, with Watson being sixth-tenths of a second behind the fastest time. (For reference, the top 5 were within 1.5 seconds of the leader; the top 11 cars were within two seconds of the leader.) After the pole sitter Mario Andretti spun on the 18th lap, the two cars took the lead easily; John Watson himself didn't last long up front, as he spun just a lap later, apparently suffering issues with his throttle. But what really got everyone's attention was a bit of an accident. Just eight laps into the race, a slower car began dropping oil onto the track. It was at this point the advantage the Fan Car had was made incredibly obvious, as while everyone else struggled for control, the Fan Car seemed virtually unaffected by the slick race track. Niki Lauda managed to win the race by a massive thirty-four seconds over his next rival, and only three cars in total managed to stay on the lead lap. It should be noted that Niki himself stated he still wasn't trying to show how fast the car really was, suggesting he was still sandbagging when he took the checkered flag.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

Infinite downforce is a hell of a drug...

[@darkalman]

Off throttle blown diffusers made the most incredible noise Been saying for years they need to bring back ground effects to resolve the passing issues, and we're getting it next year

[@jiggmin1234]

The blown diffuser is my favourite. The sound it made was beautiful.

[@drewbranje6680]

My favourite outlawed design is the rear steer braking. Its been around for a long time in tractors and i think its cool to see it worked into high performance cars considering it was used in well no performance tractors

[@Chukijay]

I wish there was a series, either F1 or similar, that had very few rules or regulations. Let the technology and drivers participate uninhibited. It would bring an inherent danger, but these drivers are top-notch and know what they're getting themselves into.

[@PatrickAguilar]

Pike peak unlimited class

[@yourtallness]

Group C, until a certain point

[@robbybobbyhobbies]

Can Am 1966-74

[@AndySpicer]

I am subscribed to many channels that release F1 related content and yours is by far the best of them. You do a great job diving into the technical details and manage to cover complex topics in a really tight and efficient manner. I really appreciate all the hard work you put in. Well done indeed. Thank you.

[@Gnutella181]

I actually loved the idea of the Full Throttle Control. Run by BMW Sauber Team in it's heyday (probably by more teams), it basically left the throttlebodies wide open, based in GPS position on the track, even though the driver would lift the throttle (e.g. through Eau Rouge).

[@notmenotme614]

Basically an autopilot that knew when to accelerate from GPS

[@Kumoiwa]

That's not dangerous... That's straight up psychopathic

[@TheGamingDinosaurROCKS]

Since we have a budget cap now which restricts the richer treams from simply beating everyone with the size of their wallet, I think that the FIA should relax all bans and let the teams decide which past innovations they want to bring forward. An example could be RB deciding to maximize the blown diffuser, maybe Merc decides to prioritze the F duct or the Double DRS, Renault invests in the damper etc

[@jordanwardle11]

Racing used to be funded by cigarette money. And it was basically unlimited too

[@thethirdman225]

Hasn't stopped Red Bull's mortgage on the WDC and constructor's championships.

[@thethirdman225]

@@jordanwardle11 It was never unlimited. Not F1, anyway.

[@solidoperative]

4 wheel drive and steering would have been fascinating to see.

[@Firebolt1729]

4WD makes the car heavier and the grip/traction it gives does not make up for the added weight. It has been tried before in the 60s and 70s and none of the cars that had it were particularly successful.

[@mgers75]

Would 4 wheel steering be that beneficial? At Monaco probably, the Monza chicanes probably, but a tighter turning radius doesn't always equate to more corner speed. Adding more wheel angle would scrub more speed potentially and you'd pay a weight penalty. I've driven 4 wheel steer RC cars and they are way more twitchy and hard to drive, but I'm sure F1 engineers could make them drivable.

[@kapilbusawah7169]

@@mgers75 something that maybe Mercedes could use and something that RB would definitely avoid. I understand the negative elements of it, but I don't think it should be banned. In fact I think it makes the sport more interesting having not differentiation. Just because it's legal doesn't mean all the teams will actually use it. I don't get why it gets to be outlawed.

[@gamm8939]

@@kapilbusawah7169 no one would use it

[@Miguel-th3wx]

no one in their mind would want a 4 wheel drive as a f1 car. That alone just doesn't even make sense.

[@callmeshaggy5166]

My favorite was the "traction control" Red Bull had in 2013 that became known towards the end of the season. Instead of putting it on the engine, they put it on the KERS which let them use it out of corners more effectively. Since the hybrid era was coming the following season and KERS was out, there were only 5ish races left in a season already out of hand, and that it didn't violate the TC rules, no team bothered to protest and chalked it up to fair ingenuity.

[@Nagassh]

Mass damper is one of the ones I have the most respect for, but I'd be a liar if I pretended the 6 wheel cars didn't fascinate me in a way no other gizmo has.

[@ctrlaltdylan]

Benetton's automatic launch control system was pure genius. Didn't last long before being outlawed though.

[@vyasponnuri3375]

I remember seeing a video of the F-Duct, when Alonso was using it in Spain, and his team principal having no idea as to how he would steer the car if he operated it. It sounds pretty dangerous if he won't be able to steer

[@thomas316]

You don't have to steer on the straights. 👌

[@ianelliott229]

I’ve long thought the extremely proscriptive rules and banning innovations is ridiculous. Shouldn’t the rules be infinitely simpler such as maximum fuel use and allow for development which would often benefit road cars?

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

F1 is a sport. It’s not about making the fastest car possible, but make the fastest cars within regulations that allow for good, safe and fair races. The FIA makes those regulations to keep costs under control, have good raceability and make the cars as safe as possible. They honestly do a great job. Many inovations are really bad for thr sport.

[@GsRandom.]

A huge innovation that I was certain that was going to go missing was the CVT, the deal of having infinite gears in an F1 car is just bonkers

[@positrondesign6514]

Two things were missing. #1 - Ground effect sliding skirts. #2 - Lotus 88 Twin Chassis. I have never been able to figure out how that trick was supposed to work.

[@swedishbeaver3139]

Fuel tank buffer? The process of always pumping fuel at max rate and then save the excess fuel from driving slower than what the engine consumes in a buffer to use later on the straights, giving a some extra hp.

[@Waterloords3e11]

Surely, once they learn how to police the salary cap effectively, they will be able to open up the regulations. Image a Formula 1 with open development, but everything becomes shared information at the end of the season so other teams can legitimately copy. It would force teams to constantly develop on a budget. The best brains not budgets would prevail and Adrian Newey would probably win another dozen world titles.

[@katm9877]

The only things I'd ban (on safety grounds) are f duct and 6 wheelers. Active suspension is one of the things that would be awesome for both race and street cars... if it were developed more.

[@Kumoiwa]

Most street cars produced nowadays have active suspension tho

[@grantbierlmeier7641]

I feel like F1 has calcified and the season is won or lost in the rule book. I think moveable aero should be allowed. Give the teams each a safety cell and specific amount of energy per race and see what they come up with!

[@taconator1213]

Now I want to see a car with active dampening, an active computerized f-duct system for multiple cornering scenarios, exhaust blowing, four wheel steering, and DAS. Now that would be a hell of a car lol, I’d love to see what no holds barred could look like.

[@thethirdman225]

How would that improve racing?

[@googlreviews7813]

F1 is suppose to be the pinnacle of racing and innovation, last decade or so they limit that greatly and I think that is hurting the sport.

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

theres like what 4 engines, and they also all use the same tyres. then you've got the same 4 teams dominating because they've got money

[@Gcamel405]

Would be cool to see an f1 car with all these technical innovations and how much faster it will be

[@KillerBYTE367]

the most modern one I loved was sneaking oil into the combustion chambers in the age of maximum fuel flow requirements

[@Raidokena]

well now I'd really like to see an outlaw version of F1 to bring on more of the tapped engineering to light, and to bring on more epic upgrades without rubbish regulations and stuff

[@the_scoobinator]

Williams making a continuously variable transmission was a pretty good one, or I guess just Williams throughout the 80’s and early 90’s. They innovated so much but almost everything they did got banned.

[@Calicarver]

The FIA regulations are totally missing the point. From the publics view, it isn't the speed that is the problem, it is the lack of close, exciting racing! These regulations only focus on reducing speed instead of dealing with the issue of dirty air that makes close racing so challenging. Thankfully I think this is addressed for the 2022 season so hopefully we will see better racing next year.

[@oscarsusan3834]

Oh ….. that old statement. 😐Exciting racing next year.🥱

[@markim5087]

This video bought back so many memories of F1 over the yrs…

[@hanstubben]

The Williams CVT I think was banned before entering a race.

[@BrotherJP333SP]

It's good to know Ed is still with us.

[@tdyerwestfield]

We're definitely going to see a few more added to this list in 2022. Such a huge change in the aerodynamic rules gives quite a lot of lee-way.

[@captainace1277]

But the rules are very restrictive, so the F1 engineers have to pull out all stops to exploit loopholes

[@tdyerwestfield]

@@captainace1277 They're open compared to what they used to be. More restrictive around the front and rear wings, but the Venturi tunnels, diffuser, underbody, engine cover, side pods and suspension are much more open to invention.

[@captainace1277]

@@tdyerwestfield True, I'm actually very excited with what they do with the floor since ground effect is being brought back next year

[@chrisi2348]

i love that engineers are giving it everything to create something that seems kind of illegal but actually isn't

[@louiscormier12]

Now if only we would know what happened to the Ferrari engines in 2019...

[@cschnauz]

They were using the oil to burn as well as the fuel, making extra power, FIA subsequently found out about it and banned it... And instantaneously they were nowhere

[@jcota2003]

@@cschnauz It wasn't just that they were directly burning it which would be easy to see... but they were atomizing minute amounts into the intercoolers, lowering the intake temperatures (and burning less of the oil than the regulations were looking for) and gained a huge boost in power since cool intake air is denser. Or at least that is my interpretation of the things that I have read.

[@sphygo]

The 6 wheelers looks so cool. I love totally unique designs like that

[@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330]

Active suspension came at a time when the sport was great. It was space age for the era. Other innovations are lateral thinking in comparison, although each time an F-Duct or a DAS comes along I wish I had thought of it and wonder why nobody thought of it before.

[@leftyeh6495]

If we can buy American luxury cars and SUVs with active suspension, it's a wonder it isn't found more often in Europe. Now, I converted mine back to standard as electronic shocks with magnetic dampening we're horrendously expensive to replace, but they were pretty cool while they worked. (I took them off at the 220000 mile mark, so it's not like they didn't last, but $1600 in shocks on a $3k vehicle that's just kept for a spare didn't make sense).

[@MrReese]

That fan car will always be a kind of turbine for me like the batmobile from the 60s TV series :D.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

6 wheeled race cars and road cars honestly sounds like a great idea to help mitigate issues with losing traction. Can’t crash if your car is firmly planted on the road

[@n111254789]

Head on collisions, not looking where they are going, intersections, drunk driving etc all that is what causes most accidents not oversteer or understeer. The smaller front section reduced drag and turbulence from the tires which is what the main benefits were not traction.

[@andym9176]

The’F-Duct’ is a thing of genius, some plumbing and look at the impact

[@RandomlySet]

DAS was amazing... The tuned mass damper also good. Shame things get banned simply because other teams can't make it work for them (hey ferrari)

[@procatprocat9647]

Get real. The racing would be awful! One team would develop the best solution and would walk the championship. You need to watch the engineering robot challenges. F1 is not for you.

[@Nick-xc4fy]

Can't wait for 2022, I hope we see something really creative from 1 team that no other team has thought of

[@nikolababadzhanov3554]

It is always great to see that the great minds of f1 would never stop improving the cars, no matter of the regulations and rules applied to limit them.

[@Sgt_Plague]

Could you imagine what benefit this years cars would have with a mass damper type arrangement, with the way they’re bobbing up and down at high speed.

[@namenamename390]

Some of these things are outlawed with good reasons. Then, there are things like the Mass Damper, which is a brilliant system with no good reason for being banned. That should've stayed in F1.

[@nandeesh18]

Some of these have been banned for apparently no reason. Its like the FIA just didn't like that they were outsmarted.

[@franskamstra2728]

i would say that if they had allowed the active suspension all road cars would have it as standard now. making road cars safer and faster. also the cvt gearbox would have been a good adition.

[@gamm8939]

cvts are a thing in road cars, and they are absolute dogshit

[@franskamstra2728]

@@gamm8939 if they had developed it from 1993 in F1, and they really have the potential I think they would have they would have been common now

[@probablygraham]

Senna hated active suspension, despite it without doubt helping him get the famous win at the European GP in Donington in 1993 (which I was lucky enough to be at). I was at Hockenheim in 1987 when Senna's active suspension failed, leaving the car stuck at a ridiculous angle, and the car showered sparks for lap after lap until the front wing had basically been worn down to nothing. He pitted and got a new wing and still managed to come third. For me that was his best race.

[@Chuuuuchy]

Aren't CVTs also one of the banned F1 concepts? I think it should've been at least worth a mention

[@andyfarmer876]

Always wondered if these would just be the norm now if they hadn't been banned. Always felt it was just the next evolution in gearing after the introduction of sequencial shifting.

[@procatprocat9647]

CVT would have killed motorsport

[@Endidixknsej]

@@procatprocat9647 why

[@markwebster1952]

What about the CVT? banned before it raced but used in so many cars today

[@lgo6702]

Honestly, given the history of competitiveness in the past years, Id love to see a regulation framework that allows badly performing teams a tad bit more freedom to innovate their way up

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

Won't happen You'd just get ferrari rb and merc ripping the guys out of the fia until the decision is reversed

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

The more inovations you allow, the better teams with the most mean, experience and ingeneers to take advantage of them are going to do. It’s the Adrian Neweys and such that would benefit, not the teams at Haas or Williams and you would have an even bigger gap.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

For years F1 complained there was not enough overtaking, yet most of the stuff they banned was exactly why drivers could not overtake. External wings make a huge wake turbulence that destroys the downforce of potential overtaking cars.

[@panthpatel3066]

imagine banning das and tuned mass damper: no safety concerns, everyone could afford them and they improved performance

[@juanin200]

Well we don't know if "everyone" could actually afford das, and I think that allowing it would've certainly make an impact on the planned cost caps

[@panthpatel3066]

@@juanin200 Perhaps it could be standardised by the fia, even tho it requires extra money on their part

[@TomSchillemans]

If there is one thing I would like to see back is the Blown Difuser! That sounded AMAZING

[@solidoperative]

Imagine the car that could be produced with all these innovations. I wonder fast they would be. Active aero, blown and double diffuser I am thinking...

[@freakysquirrel7218]

So, basically the RedBull X2010 but with active suspension?

[@solidoperative]

@@freakysquirrel7218 yeah I suppose, didn't that have a fan as well.

[@freakysquirrel7218]

​@@solidoperative Yep, it did. A KZbinr (Jimmy Broadbent) managed a 3:16:00 around the Nordschleife with that thing in Assetto Corsa. Irl you would go unconscious from the G-forces xd

[@solidoperative]

@@freakysquirrel7218 Even with a G-Suit?

[@freakysquirrel7218]

@@solidoperative That car would easily hit 15+ G in some corners since you can take the final corner at Monza nearly full throttle in that thing. Considering a rocket launch is 11 Gs of force, maybe they could, not 100% sure though*

[@coreygolphenee9633]

The Gordon Murray one will always be my favorite because of the 51/49 thing and actually proving it too

[@daniwalmsley611]

Tbh I'd love to see the 2023 RB with a Fan, with a tuned mass damper, with break steer, with a blown double diffuser on some proper michelins that would let the car push flat out

[@TheRealAMG]

CVT gearbox? Red bull camera mounting (2014), blown wheel hubs, double DRS of the W03. There needs to be a part 2

[@Kisanorame]

I would love to see an Iron Chef style racing series like they pick a random power train or chassis style or something and then every team has to build and design their tech around it with budget/size restrictions etc, they could pick a new one every season and always keep it fresh.

[@Snowmunkee]

I was always impressed by Red Bulls Faux Traction control, where the input for intentional misfiring was determined by the load on the suspension. Low load meant the car might be hitting a bump, so it would kill ignition., high load meant they had good grip and they would run as normal, often alternating many times per second to maximize power delivered to the tires.

[@warwickflanagan2319]

Great piece. Please do more of these

[@calingligore]

Regulations should only care about driver safety. Let the engineers try new things

[@alexroge6495]

Brake steer (like DAS) are the type of new tech I like because it puts more demand on the drivers and hence any differences in skills between drivers would be further amplified.

[@jfwfreo]

Some of these bans make sense (things like the F-Duct that were banned over safety concerns), some kind of make sense for cost reasons (e.g. das) but some should not have been banned like the double diffusers, the blown exhaust, the mass damper and all the banned gizmos like active suspension.

[@karlosh2422]

One you missed out that could do with a mention are the CVT gearboxes that I think Williams were trying to develop in the early 1990s.

[@thethirdman225]

They did. It was a good idea but it sounded dreadful because the engine never changed pitch. Theres's a video of Mansell driving it somewhere on KZbin.

[@ShawnFX]

9:25 man what an absolute beauty that car design is! When I think of an F1 car, THAT is what I picture!!

[@daniel-jn8zb]

We need to see a group B version of f1 for just one season. Just to see how far can the limits be pushed

[@Nemoticon]

Restrictions is what pushes innovation, it is the engineer's bread and butter, the need to constantly find new solutions and problem solving. This is what makes F1 what it is. The fact that an innovation is banned is not the thing we should focus on, its the fact that the innovation was made. Once a great innovation proves itself to be so good that it is banned, the next innovation can be created.

[@israeldiaz9373]

I’ve always known that technology in our cars on the open road have always come from auto racing so in a sense of outlawing Technology at the race track denies us of a better quality car on the open road

[@Veritas-invenitur]

I think it would be really awesome if once every 10 years an additional F1 season that had no budget caps or technology bans was held. The best drivers would could choose to race in this once a decade season instead of the normal season. This would open up room for new drivers to get a chance to shine. It would also push the engineering and technology to the absolute limit. I believe that it would dramatically help grow the sport. The only problem will be the dangerous nature of it all. Drivers would be pushed to the absolute limit. The sustained and peak G-forces will be a constant struggle. No doubt that the drivers would need to wear pressure suits similar to astronauts and fighter pilots when racing. The suits would probably also need to have some level of ridged reenforcement along the spine and some type of flexible reenforcement at the joins for the drivers as the human body can only tolerate so much. I expect the once a decade series to be intense and sacrificial. A massive amount of crashes and severe injuries will transpire but it would be a great show and competition. A constant battle between a drivers skill, the engineering of a drivers suit, and the engineering of the car. I fully expect that the suits will become as much of an engineering competition for the public as the car itself is at times. Eventually, we will reach the point where the drivers skill is the only limitation as the suits and cars will be capable of far more than any driver would push them. At that point, we truly have reached the apex of the sport. And just think about the uses of all the technologies developed along the way. Humankind would greatly benefit.