Drivers Eye View Seaford to Brighton Class 313 Train Cab Ride With Route learning map & commentary.

Welcome aboard a southern class 313 EMU for a train drivers eye view on the fantastic east coast way route from Seaford to Brighton, via Lewes. The video includes a move map to help you learn the route as well as commentary outlining some of the history of this Railway line.
Leaving Seaford our train travels towards Newhaven. We join the East Coastway route from Eastbourne at Southerham Junction. Our train travels via Lewes and Falmer before crossing the grade 2 listed London Road Viaduct into Brighton Station.
I am freight train driver and I occasionally drive this route in real life. A big thankyou to my video contributor for allowing me to use this cab footage, and a big thank you to Luke Govus for the use of the lineside shots.
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[@arthurbostrom4912]

Really great video. I used to use this line often when I lived in Brighton, so it not only brought back memories, but added to my knowledge with the excellent historical commentary.

[@Meeyuh]

Wow the graphics in TSW3 this year are insane

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Lol

[@K-o-R]

Even down to the annoying smudge on the windscreen!

[@neilwatson4461]

Makes a change because for some reason my train keeps derailing on this route

[@bryant_gotgame]

If only it really looked like this 😩

[@LookingForLocos]

The TSW4 trailer be like

[@BritishBeachcomber]

Brings back memories of the school train, London Victoria to Seaford in the sixties. The closing days of steam...

[@SlimTallDave]

I have travelled this route dozens of times and as you leave Seaford you see my house on the right. I have made numerous short videos taken from my house of maintenance work, track replacement and unusual rolling stock. Thank you for posting this excellent video and seeing the journey from the driver's cab was a privilege 😊

[@allanpeoples7410]

This video is really well done. Your grphics are the most helpful, and informative, I've seen on such videos. well done!

[@Foggen1231]

I was originally attracted to this with the Seaford and Brighton names being stations on Adelaide, South Australia's rail network. Soon found out I was in England, and what a joy it was. The map was amazing - first time I have seen this. In Adelaide, once the train has arrived at Brighton, (Seaford is the terminus), trains generally run express through to Adelaide, about a 25-minute trip, and it's about the same from Seaford to Brighton with 9 stations. The Seaford track basically runs about 1 Kilometer to the east of the sea to Brighton, and then heads NE to the city. Many thanks for the video. Really enjoyable.

[@jackvieira5157]

Seaford Delaware Lewes Delaware it's a common name here in the United States to

[@hiworldstephensonultranate290]

Brilliant to Discover this Gem how Beautiful hidden England n its trains are Tks

[@Thegamr91]

One of the best cab rides on KZbin! Love the commentary along with the video and the line map. Would love to see some more routes if at all possible?

[@hiworldstephensonultranate290]

Agreed 1000 % commentary gives it personal touch steps ahead of other videos a guy went to bari italy boring n lazy he was!

[@javierguidounicaud6621]

Thank you for this video. Nice cab ride in a beautiful sunny day.

[@user-tu2om7gl2y]

Nice weather to be filming this

[@williamparker3765]

Thank you for a very interesting video, this is the first time I have seen one of your videos and it will not be the last, I like the idea of the small map at the side of the screen, so helpful

[@patrickspeaight9154]

The best yet, the marriage of graphics, voice and the route, brilliant. Should you be a stranger to the area, you known where you are, so you can concentrate on the view. Well, we'll done. Patrick, Northamptonshire

[@Bigbro28]

Most impressed by this video and I like the info at right of the screen. Hence becoming a subscriber. 🐨🇦🇺

[@georgemaund4964]

Good quality film and commentary.....the scrolling infrastructure detail enables viewers not familiar with this line to put what they see in context.....thanks.

[@almal7591]

Thoroughly enjoyable.

[@DadRail]

Thank you

[@animaldoc]

Thank you for the video, comments, diagram and additional footage. What a nice work. Really enjoyable 🚞

[@pauldarke8024]

Great video, thanks Richard.

[@paulhwbooth]

Excellent commentary. Thanks.

[@steviep1965]

Great video, loved the format with the map and information at the side.

[@neilcrawford8303]

Great video. I worked on the early excavation stage of the Newhaven incinerator. At the time the trains were Electrostars, pre 313s. The sidings were once used for the Newhaven to Crawley and Tolworth RMC aggregate traffic. There is a canal/waterway beyond the incinerator. The site had once been used for treating railway sleepers (ties in US). When the ground was excavated where I was working it was saturated in creosote. The excavator bucket had an oily film over it with each dig. Great that the branch has gone from zero freight to three different freight flows.

[@martyn6792]

Really enjoyed this, one of the few I literally watched all the way through

[@Mounhas]

Only ever used the west direction from Brighton, the east direction is much more rural, love that part of Sussex.

[@trevorwright6165]

wonderful ride thank you

[@nicktheroyalturner3370]

Excellent format, great commentary as well. 👍

[@jerribee1]

Excellent video with a very informative commentary and graphics.

[@WaveWatcher10]

This great! Thank you!😊

[@Wheels-Wheels-Wheels]

Really enjoyed this. Excellent video and commentary.

[@briancox1124]

thanks for a smooth ride

[@petecotton2801]

I really enjoyed that mate, This route is currently my favourite one on TSW 2, although I struggle with either slowing down and braking too early or too late, I can never get it just right 😂. It was great to see how it all looks in real life.

[@surfliner456]

I also can’t stop very good lol. I usually come into stations slow and I’ve slowly figured out and gotten used to the brakes.

[@Slaners100]

I usually aim to be about 20mph with 100-120 yards to go, braking at D1 and usually works about right. Roughly anyway 😂

[@adrianhutchings3377]

Very enjoyable video. Really well presented.

[@captcuddlepuss]

Fabulous

[@AndyMick]

Great video mate love this route in TSW nice cab ride video

[@flippop101]

Great video, much appreciated!

[@simonal1989]

So good seeing a 313 go so fast. I'm too used to their sloth like pace on the North London line, so frustratingly slow

[@5HADOW-The-Silverado]

We do use all 75mph :) and man they kick the 377s asses when leaving platforms

[@davidroberts7425]

What a fantastic video and graphics.

[@hiworldstephensonultranate290]

fascinating real video

[@stewartsamson835]

What an excellent video, great to see a drivers eye view of a tsw route. Boy was that a long train passing at Lewis 😮😮

[@steveluckhurst2350]

Lewes !

[@steveluckhurst2350]

Given how early in the day this was shot, I would suggest the 8 car was ecs from lovers walk depot heading for Eastbourne.

[@tBsTwister]

A route I know well. Another great video. I do like these. 👍

[@DadRail]

Thank You, I am hoping that they can become a regular feature on the Channel

[@williamscott-ryan1538]

I can't put how I feel I love this route my children used to live in Seaford I used to live in Brighton that was a long time ago So much has happened. I've been living in Asia for 10 years Its all a blur 45 countries later now I am worn out. Literally. Lol Thanks for the vid brother so many memories

[@Harry-me1zq]

Nice one.Thanks.

[@buttonmasherxo7997]

Wow, I used to live in Seaford before moving up to Newcastle, I remember visiting family one year and encountering the class 313 instead of the 377 for the first time, I instantly loved them! cracking bits of traction.

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

I prefer the Tyne and Wear metro a lot more. I'm guessing you've been on it since moving to Newcastle? I like the 313 more than the 377, feels a lot more old school.

[@buttonmasherxo7997]

@@montyburnsgaming3609 Yes I do like the metro very much, I used to use it daily to get to college. I'm excited for the first new train to arrive in a couple of months, I'll certainly miss the character of the old ones mind, especially the un-refurbished units!

[@aSIMetrical]

First time watching one of these videos, and I absolutely love the information and the detailed route map. One minor correction, just in case you use the route map again, I believe the New Haven Town Signal Identification Plates are flipped. @6:26

[@MrDavil43]

I remember exploring the beach at Tide Mills in the 1980's and finding quite a lot of track in situ there.Even earlier (60's) I was on a Loco Club of GB special which went down the Kemp Town line. The train emerged from a tunnel and was in the station immediately, just like so many model layouts and also Ventnor on the I of W.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

The Tidemills and East Side areawas used for dumping dirty ballast and spoil. There used to be an expensive network of sidings there. I'm not sure but I think the old concrete embedded lines on Fisher's quay are currently used by the Brett Aggregate terminal. Newhaven used to be quite busy with cars, containers, aggregate and the spoil trains. It even had an 09 allocated, which was stabled on the truncated spur opposite the town signal box.

[@conceyullena]

Like 55 beautiful video, greetings 🚂👍👋

[@peteru18]

My pedantic approach has to point one thing out: the Newhaven Town starter is TLW1578, the diagram shows it as 1579, with 1578 in the opposite direction ;) Nonetheless, this is a brilliant video, and I hope one day the idea will spread out elsewhere (not by yourself of course) - I know the Polish drivers have very little in terms of off-site route teaching material, and this would definitely help! (Also, hearing the departure bell from the guard instantly made me think of Japan...)

[@perrydebell1352]

Excellent video. Thank you for posting it on YT. It's very enjoyable to use StreetView & look at the stations along the route. You mentioned Bishopstone station was inspired by Arnos Grove station, but the view of the station from Station Road looked unusual. In 1940 a pair of pillboxes were built on the roof of the main station building, flanking its octagonal tower. Despite the times, considerable effort was made to blend these into the original structure & they are thus well camouflaged. Wikipedia.

[@petersmith4455]

hi. i used to live in seaford in the 60s.the line was doubled tracked and there was a signal box at the end of the platform. where those new houses are used to be a sidings for goods trains mainly coal supplies, the rolling stock was mainly 2Bil emu. as a child i remember that electric loco 20003 used to up sometimes in the sidings, Newhaven has certainly changed over the years,the boat train from victoria used to pull in to newhaven marine again with 20003 on the front or 20002

[@mistersurogat]

nice trip

[@gzk6nk]

A free-one-free! On furd rail! Very interesting. Fanks!

[@RichardFelstead1949]

Just discovered your channel and have subscribed. Greetings from Australia.

[@WaveWatcher10]

Only thing I thought you were talking about Seaford to Brighton in South Australia!

[@MervynPartin]

Very enjoyable. A smooth ride, lovely weather, and so much better for being 3rd rail instead of overhead clutter.

[@donbrewer9338]

Falmer station serves Brighton University, Sussex University, Brighton Medical School and the Amex Stadium.

[@frenchvenus]

So fantastic video for me because I used to live in Lewis and go Sussex University as student. If possible, please upload an announcement of Lewis station. Very thank you for your great videos!

[@hiworldstephensonultranate290]

Oh I'm viewing from Ireland first time

[@theycallmemrb9676]

Back in 2010, cheekily took advantage of the following a few times even though was not local to Seaford. ‘To compensate passengers on the Seaford service for the state of the 313s. Southern are offering free unlimited weekend travel between Ashford and Southampton to Seaford Line season ticket holders, anyone with a photocard wishing to take advantage of the offer can purchase a weekly newhaven town to harbour season ticket at £3.30!’ This was before the refurbishments had been done. Am I right in thinking that the 313s are due to be phased out on The Coastway routes with the December Timetable?

[@gavinhackland8440]

Excellent. Do the whole country like that. Won’t take you long. Probably.

[@PaddyWV]

Funny how the memory goes, I'm sure the old tracks were still in place in the eighties and Platform One at Seaford still in use too

[@DadRail]

I think Seaford had both platforms and the signal box in place until pretty recently, certainly 20 years ago it did.

[@TheMrpancakeman]

Wow great video really enjoyed it, and great info on the line and history! It's made me wonder do you as drivers get given learning resources such as your line drawing to help sign the routes as you call it, or is it a case of driving and observing the route until its memorised?

[@00acleland]

Both. You have to go over a route a minimum number of times in a cab before you can be assessed on it, but we do also have an online resource that's pretty similar to this video (with the scrolling map too) for every single route.

[@30041946]

Just come across your "site".. Excellent productions and graphics. Q: Are you planning working the GWR past Didcot (My location) in the future. Thank you Roger

[@Skalekul]

Love the iconic DC motor sounds! Can you post the link to the original video? Can't find it in the description :)

[@Jude29475]

I would love to see something like this or similar in a 377(from Hastings to Brighton maybe) :)

[@leorowlings6755]

377s run on this line when a Brighton football match is on

[@hughacollins1]

Great video. It seems that you were filming fairly early on a summer morning? I have often taken the train to Brighton from Lewes (or Berwick) and back but so far never to/from Newhaven or Seaford.

[@jeremywilcox]

Nice work - how on erth did you do the mapping addition - looking for an answer how to do that for my canal vidios for ever!

[@snafufubar]

The station af Bishopstone has an inbuilt machine gun post from WW2. You can just see it on the right as you come in.

[@bulwinkle]

Comment for the algorithm.

[@aldo4319]

Good to hear the clunk-click of the EP brake, interesting that they still insist on a running brake test for Falmer bank, we used to argue with the DSMs that stopping at Falmer was good enough proof that the brake was good, it was considered a grey area in the 1990s - a glorified way of saying they couldn't decide. I suggested they should put an intermediate stop signal between Moulscoomb and London Road where the distant used to be and now years later they have finally done it, I was awarded a tenner for my suggestion but at the time they told me it would be too expensive, it was along wait at Falmer if you were following another train and had to wait until it was in the platform at Brighton until you could get away, same on the down at London Road

[@aldo4319]

@@snupziegaming8230 both were annoying, but worse on up as it was often a going home trip

[@highdownmartin]

Westcode brake innit? Three positions only I may be wrong Al!

[@aldo4319]

@@highdownmartin I wasn't 313 trained but it definitely does sound like EP

[@highdownmartin]

@@aldo4319 probably a halfway house non graduatable but electro mechanical. Way better than a 377

[@Mr.GreatBritain]

3:12 looks like Google maps in the distance

[@peteskinner7709]

Could you please do a portbury docks to Bristol Temple Meads video?

[@bexhillbob]

There used to be another platform, and a signal box, at Seaford. They were removed about 15-20 years ago. I have a pic of the signal box being removed, somewhere.

[@DadRail]

Hi Robert, I vaguely remember the second platform, I think it was removed around the time the 400s were retired

[@steveluckhurst2350]

There has never been another physical platform at seaford. Or are you meaning the bay? There was a run round line to the south, and beyond that a goods shed and some sidings. Railway land originally fanned out almost to the heath centre .

[@JohnHawkins-nw4wi]

Very interesting and enjoyable. One thing I can't work out is why in Red ⭕ you sometimes have 2 numbers like for example 40/70!

[@DadRail]

Hi John. That is known as a differential speed. To keep things simple, the higher speed applies to passenger trains and light engines, the lower speed applies to freight trains. You often get differential speeds where signals are close together, to account for the difference in breaking performance between freight and passenger trains.

[@JohnHawkins-nw4wi]

@@DadRail Thanks so much for the explanation and I have now learnt something else--never to old "approaching 64" to learn something new. I must say that 1 of my wishes, put on a bucket list, is to have a ride in cabs of overground and underground trains + Trams!

[@railwayjade]

Dear Dad Rail, thanks for a great video! I would like to know how you did the scrolling map on the side - is it one long picture that you scroll? I was part of making our Road Knowledge booklet here on the Gautrain in South Africa, and the video producer did something like that.

[@DadRail]

Thanks Jade, yes the map is a long picture that is moved

[@D8059PRODUCTIONS]

Which 313 unit was this? It sounds like one of the updated ones from the door sound. Great video, thanks Richard :)

[@DadRail]

I’m not 100% sure on the unit

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Great video, i love that you include the route map on the right side of the screen, does the driver refer to that each time he or she drives the route? Or is it just while you are learning the route?

[@00acleland]

It's whilst learning. Once you know the route then you shouldn't need any guides.

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

@@00acleland Thanks

[@BritishBeachcomber]

Seaford's has platform 2 because they removed the original down line, which usually runs to platform 1. You can see from the trackbed and bridges which line was removed.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

The line to platform one is the old down line. Bay platform was a spur.

[@EpicThe112]

15:52 start of the ECW Wivelsfield connector. When it comes for the Speed signs which one is the correct one for a 6Xxx Freight service Class 66 JNA from Newhaven to Lewes 7:30-15:52

[@DadRail]

The lower speeds apply to class 6 freight traffic. If a differential speed board is not provided, class 6 trains are subjected to the 2/3rds southern region rule. This means that freight trains can travel at a speed not greater than 2/3 of the highest line speed on the entire line of route, subject to any lower restrictions.

[@imamiddleagedman]

As a local it was nice to see this. One question though, what is with the dual speed limits?

[@OldFloatingSeaman]

The top one is for Freight, or the like.

[@DadRail]

As Nobby has said, The lower speeds apply to freight trains. There is a little bit more too it but for the sake of simplicity we will go with it.

[@associatedblacksheepandmisfits]

What ever happened to the glass animal man? 😊

[@pauledwards2817]

Nothing further shows how different people on trains get treated in the South East, Seaford on a branch line as a small town terminus with little holiday traffic gets early Sunday services, long and frequent trains, the port gets little traffic for the ferry. I was staying there for a few days and was amazed at the service. A town of 50,000 people between two cities South Yorkshire gets one pacer an hour and no trains on Sunday until 3pm and this being a service that connects with the East Coast main line half way along it.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

The lack of holiday traffic is pertinent. This is a busy line all year round. Two each way per hour. We have lost our London direct services though.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

It's worth mentioning that 313s are replaced by 377s or 387s in 8 car formation on match days.

[@5HADOW-The-Silverado]

Its a mixture of Vice 6 313s 3 + 3 and Vice 8 377/87s 4 + 4 :)

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@5HADOW-The-Silverado well if you are going to be picky, there are also 7 car formations!

[@alwayslight2658]

Nice. But you should go 4k as HD is becoming obsolete. 4k videos gain on quality and will last longer. Is it as simple as this.

[@malcolmmarshall4371]

I grew up In NewHaven in the 1960s

[@threegoldmartlets]

When it was spelt Newhaven.

[@stephenjanes2031]

I live in a 3rd rail area, better than the unsightly overhead powerlines

[@timmychan311]

This is like Hong Kong MLR

[@stotheh]

*Secondmans' eye-view. Jolly good though!

[@DadRail]

A mere technicality 😂

[@pabllo2004]

is 313 still run on that line?

[@seanlowe4780]

What is the reason for 10mph speed limit at Lewis seems a bit slow

[@00acleland]

It's because a couple of decades ago a train slid right through Lewes and crossed the points, but that was in the down direction, I don't know why the up is also 10mph.

[@bored_12873]

I wanna know when this was I potentially could have been on that train

[@DadRail]

Unfortunately I don’t know the exact date it was filmed

[@MichaelBeeny]

Does this line make any money? I ask because I did not see even one passenger get on the train.

[@AndrewG1989]

The Class 313 are still going on Southern.

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Im guessing it's their oldest rolling stock, a proper old school emu.

[@tango6nf477]

I think the 313 rattlewagons have now been withdrawn and scrapped, they were a bit basic and not terribly comfortable so I guess wont be missed.

[@DadRail]

Indeed they have. I made a farewell video A Nostalgic Goodbye To Britain's Oldest Passenger Train. Class 313 Same as Flying Scotsman? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXusgp-lqrdqZ5Y

[@xoneqraft]

4:43 NOOOOO BIRDIEEEEEEEEEEE

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

What does a TP do?

[@DadRail]

It is a track paralleling hut. It helps to keep the traction current flowing and splits the track into sections that can each be isolated

[@EdgyNumber1]

*Technical question:* Does anyone know why there are so many different aspect signals when really, a two aspect signal would do? On the Great Eastern, large 2 aspect signals with suitable spacing are used, and display all the necessary colour aspects - Proceed, slow (yellow x2,) caution and danger. Why use 4 or 3 when 2 will do?

[@DadRail]

As you have said above, with sufficient spacing 2 aspect would be and is fine, however in order to run more trains and to increase capacity you have to reduce the sizes of the signal sections. With reduced section sizes drivers need advance notification of upcoming stop signals, so 3 and 4 aspect signals are used.

[@EdgyNumber1]

@@DadRail I'm probably not wording it right but the ones used on GE Mainline do, but instead of using 4 lenses with separate aspect colours per lens, the 2 lenses can display all the aspects. Both lenses can display green, red and yellow colours in similar form to the 4 lens signals. Always wonder why use 4 lenses when two lenses would be cheaper.

[@DadRail]

@@EdgyNumber1 ahh I understand now. The signals that you speak about are the new LED type, they have only 2 lenses. The top can display yellow, and the bottom can display red, yellow and green. Many places have these fitted now, and they are the go to for new and upgraded signalling.

[@kgbgb3663]

Very enjoyable, as someone who used to commute from London Road to Falmer. (Usually by bike, though.) One query, though. You and some commentators call the line "East Coastway". Having either lived or worked in or close to the area since 1978, I've only ever heard it called "Coastway East". (I always assumed it was so people wouldn't think it was on the East coast.) Has the name been changed, or have I and my friends been getting it wrong all this time?

[@kgbgb3663]

And the "Coastway East" name also fits in with the "Coastway West" leading west from Brighton, together forming "The Coastway", though people rarely used the overall name.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@kgbgb3663 I bet you're fun at parties! Never heard it called that before. Where is it referenced as "coastway east"?

[@kgbgb3663]

@@steveluckhurst2350 I remember it being called that in the publicity many many years ago when the rail company first introduced the "coastway" branding, and, as I said, I've never heard it called anything else having either lived or worked nearby for most of my life. Why the snark? Why comment at all if you are just going to doubt my word?

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@kgbgb3663 it's not snark ! I was already an adult in 1978, living in Newhaven and using the railway regularly. I have never heard or seen it referred to as anything other than east coastway.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@kgbgb3663 you asked if you and your friends have been getting it wrong for years, yet when told that you have you get offended !

[@erdemir5641]

How many animals do you run over a week?

[@DadRail]

We don’t hit animals very often thankfully. In 3rd rail areas the biggest problems we have sadly are badgers coming into contact with the conductor rail.

[@Mr.GreatBritain]

What does a diamond blue sign mean on a british railway mean?

[@DadRail]

I can’t place that?

[@Mr.GreatBritain]

Its Quite Hard To Explain But It's A Small Half Meter Tall Trackside Sign.

[@DadRail]

@@Mr.GreatBritain doesn’t ring any bells I’m afraid

[@Mr.GreatBritain]

@@DadRail Ok

[@Mr.GreatBritain]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epzIYYOXoLh-r5o At 6:38

[@mylana4972]

This is metro or railroad?

[@DadRail]

This is railroad, or railway as we say ;-)

[@MateiGall]

Harbour, not Habour (Newhaven).

[@DadRail]

My bad, I’ll sack the proof readers :-)

[@timothylyons5686]

But would you walk five hundred miles and would you walk five hundred more. The Proclaimers video .