What is a rusty rail move and why do we do it? Piccadilly Line

Hello and welcome to a new video
Today's video is about a rusty rail move that we do on the Piccadilly Line.
We take a look at the sidings at Rayners Lane, South Harrow and Acton Town.
I also answer some of the most common questions asked on my train videos.
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Thank you for watching and hope you enjoy this video

[@MoultrieGeek]

Dale I think for us casual train nerds you give the perfect balance of information, not too technical but just enough to answer the majority of questions people have about this fascinating line of work. It also doesn't surprise me how rude perfect strangers can be on KZbin. Love your videos.

[@jameslennon6680]

Well said sir.

[@mlies37]

Agreed!

[@user-vx4jj7qf2m]

Yes well said 👏 👍 😊

[@martyn6792]

Also agreed, this one was particularly good due to all the siding moves, not something you normally see

[@Harrison-hg2vs]

Yes i agree

[@richard_wenner]

Would not worry about 'angry' comments. These are enjoyable insights into rail work.

[@nilsrp]

I agree.

[@metropod]

A lot of them are arm chair who think they know everything there is to know, to the point part of the problem is if this information becomes more general knowledge, they no longer feel special. The other problem is they don’t know the actual serious information that has to be kept from them, so they assume what information is actually secret.

[@mikeking245]

tons of soft little homosexuals in the railfan hobby just ignore all these pussy crybabies

[@jm56585]

him answering those gives some really interesting points though, I wouldn't have known that you can run the red light for going into the siding for example

[@egratis2367]

I worked on the Piccadilly back in 1968. I once accidentally took a passenger into those sidings at Acton, my driver allowed her to drive the train back into the platform so she had a story to tell the kids when she got home. I was lucky to get away with it because it was a disciplinary offence. I was based at Northfields but lived at Finsbury Park so one week I was getting the staff bus at about 2am to go to work and the following week I was getting home at 2am and it was too much for me so I quit after about one year. "One more through the pipe", up and down the Aldwych shuttle and waiting for the stick to drop off at Covent Garden where there was a signal box. I Enjoyed your video it brought back many memories.

[@trevorelliston1]

Could be used for recruiting. Very good.

[@BDavinci06]

It was a pleasure going on this Rusty Rail move with you from a New York City train operator!!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@gdwnet]

What you're doing isn't at all distracting - in fact it's a technique that police driving instructors use when training high speed pursuits. You talk about what you're seeing, doing and looking for. You talk about the "threats" you can see (someone coming out of junction and not paying attention, cyclist, pedestrians, etc). Using that technique makes for a safer and far better driver because you're announcing what is going on.

[@troybellamy4615]

Also how most good bus companies train potential drivers! It forces the driver to constantly scan his or her surroundings and not fixate straight ahead

[@gdwnet]

@@troybellamy4615 I didn't know that but it makes sense!

[@JP_TaVeryMuch]

What you say is the reason behind the slightly odd to many of us japanese custom their train drivers have of "saluting" after each separate action they do.

[@rowejon]

I had similar training in the Fire Brigade.

[@PrograError]

@@JP_TaVeryMuch I thought they were pointing? IIRC platform staff also does this, checking clear platforms and the such by pointing at the eye first

[@kleinesfilmroellchen]

"I didn't want the job, I was just in a bad mood" was the best part of the video

[@James27161]

these videos would be the best way to recruit drivers as you can see what an actual shift is like

[@omari9593]

I agree!!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Yes I think new drivers might find it interesting

[@James27161]

@@dalecharmantravels8057 I just wish that they would actually start recruiting for drivers

[@danh9503]

It's true, after watching just this video I was really interested in drain driving as a career lol. Always enjoyed riding trains etc. And the information is brilliant!

[@JohnDoe-yj5ng]

@@danh9503 Yep, you gotta learn to drive those drains! 😁

[@rayjohn8689]

This is the first "train" video that I've seen where someone actually talks to you,and explains to a degree what is going on....Well done !!!

[@bobmcdermott9535]

Me too!

[@TikTokBrian]

By the way, I cannot understand how some people are rude to you. I mean, asking if you have permission to film and is it safe is an obvious question but I can’t see any reason to be aggressive. Seems to be a feature of the online world and rather sad. Your response was brilliant … so professional! “Of course I have permission and I’m basically just talking to myself and avoiding technical matters which might distract from driving.” That’s the way to respond, calm and professional. 👍

[@ianj843]

Well done to you and your employers for allowing such videos to be filmed and posted. It gives everyone a better understanding of what your job and the running a complex network entails.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@atcdude067]

Indeed shocking considering how much TFL hates photography.

[@AFCManUk]

It's always a good idea to get permission to film. The driver who filmed the 'Bakerloo Line Exposed' videos (where he goes through the tunnels with a powerful torch on, to 'expose' what we and other drivers don't normally see) did say he got a bit of a ticking off for the first video he published, as he hadn't asked permission, but fortunately his bosses were understanding and allowed him to continue :)

[@andyhinds542]

He's lucky. I drive freight trains on the main line and no way would I be allowed to do that or get away with it if caught.

[@markscully2342]

@@andyhinds542there is a freight train driver who posts videos and I’m sure he has permission

[@arch9enius]

Must've been a really powerful torch.

[@grilnam9945]

There’s nothing more cathartic than the sound of a running tube train

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Not sure I agree with you there but each to their own :)

[@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO]

My farts sound better

[@grilnam9945]

@@dalecharmantravels8057 to be fair if you were my driver I wouldn’t want you to be, I need you awake

[@2760ade]

Cannot believe anyone would seriously ask if you steer the trains! It's hilarious! Do they not understand the whole point of railway tracks?😂😂

[@WolfePaws]

I can understand that people might not know if you choose your direction at points etc.

[@sirremusrobinson1070]

I've got 30 years experience driving buses and it's so cool to see how the other side do the job and how it is..

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@TheShortStory]

instantly one of my favorite KZbin channels. You won't believe how therapeutic I find it in the middle of a hectic day, as well as being very interesting and educational of course

[@PJWey]

“People taking offence” don’t sweat it and thank you for your brilliant video

[@mr_b_hhc]

Your running commentary is great, I absolutely love to hear the reasoning and justifications you provide, I find it invaluable. Thank you.

[@Davis707238]

I've worked in London for a year back in the 90's, then last year I was back as a tourist. I had no idea how much is involved in what you do. And now i'm hooked on the videos you post. Thank you so much. And thank you and your collegues for the service you provide. London just wouldn't function without you all.

[@johnoneill5661]

Many years ago I had just started as a supervisor at Hounslow Central and on my first night shift I just happened to look at the monitors and to my absolute horror I saw a train departing in the wrong direction (no one had thought to tell me about the rusty rail move over the points). The line controller had a good laugh.

[@markcf83]

Is that the crossover at the Acton end of the platform?

[@metropod]

A lot of people don’t appreciate or understand the nitty gritty of working these sorts of jobs. They think it’s easy. It’s straightforward. Anyone can do it… I work for New York City Transit as a conductor, been here two years. I’ve had to sort out everything from lost property to a vandalism to man having a seizure on my train. That last one really made me lose faith in humanity. The poor man is lying there, half on the train, half on the platform, having fallen when the doors opened, and people are asking me “how long is this gonna take”… I took a deep sigh “if i knew how long this would take, i would have told you. Also… the man is lying right there and can hear you. Please, have a little sympathy.”

[@dgk42]

I completely fail to understand signal lights etc. A single green is easy, anything else confuses me with what it means for speed or upcoming problems. But, my biggest issue would be trying to stop the train at exactly the right spot on the platform without shaking up the passengers. And then, I watched a TV series about training drivers in the UK, which showed me that I would constantly fail. It's not an easy job at all.

[@metropod]

@@dgk42 our system is pretty simple since it works not much different than a traffic light, just flipped 180 with green at the top. “Go”, “slow down the next one is is red”, “stop”. If you see a signal with six lights, those are at switch points, the top three are the same as a three light signal. The bottom three are for telling you how the switch is set. “Green over green” proceed, accepting straight route. “Green over yellow” proceed, accepting divergent route. “Yellow over green” proceed with caution the next signal is red, accept straight route. “Yellow over yellow” proceed with caution next signal is red, accept diverging route. “Red over Red” Stop and stay. “Red over/under any other color” stop, stay, and call control because the signal is broken. There is one other aspect to note “flashing green”, which means you are in “Communications based train control” territory and your train is being overseen by the computers.

[@simonpaine2347]

57 years ago I used to travel from Uxbridge to Harrow-on-the Hill, then get a bus to school. I would regularly get the Piccadilly Line and change at Rayners Lane and get the Metropolitan line that you passed on RL Station. I would also regularly "bunk off" school and spend the day on the underground. Thanks for the memories!

[@kirkchestnut5045]

Or in the States we'd say "play hooky." Amazing how the same language can have such diverse idioms. Cheers from the US!

[@simonpaine2347]

@@kirkchestnut5045 Yes indeed! Hooky reminds me if an excellent beer from the Hook Norton brewery in Oxford, called Old Hooky. It was their strongest regularly brewed beer. Perfect falling down water.

[@benjibatch]

Very commendable how much patience you have for silly comments and questions from the keyboard warriors

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

I try to be as polite as I can. What I say to myself off camera might be slightly different

[@user-jk9pg2hv3z]

Running back and forth on the same line and listening to your commentary is just great fun! I feel as if I know you personally. And this from me in America. Thank you.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

You are most welcome. Glad you enjoy it

[@skintslots]

I have no interest in trains at all but find these train travel videos very therapeutic and relaxing.

[@DanT271]

Yes I figured you had permission to film and I consider you a highly professional operator/driver interesting and informative videos Greetings from USA!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@doncoffey5820]

Very good Dale. Interesting to see the difference between underground and heavy rail.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@tjmcguire9417]

Dale. Your videos are wonderful and oddly calming. I don't think I am overstepping to say all passenegers in any vehicle want to see what is actually happening. You do it well. Thank you. (Canada here.) You are in the same league as airline pilots filming from the cockpit.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you I appreciate the nice words

[@martinhew981]

Loving your videos, Dale. Very informative and well filmed. I cant believe some of the questions that you get asked and the comments you get. I work for SWR and some of the shall we say 'train spotters' think they know more than we do and tell us how to do our job! Too many armchair experts unfortunately.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Some times they do know more than me 🤣

[@martinhew981]

🤣🤣

[@mikeburton7077]

I've been a coach driver/ operator for 52 years, interesting to see your views. Being a Londoner l did many tours in one of my dad's coaches. I know the stations only from the outside !

[@miranda_imp]

I really enjoy watching your videos and will say they’re just enough without over complicating it. I also have to say that I’m very envious of you but my time is now long since gone now so will enjoy these videos… As for the rude or nasty comments. These people exist in all walks of life and just can’t help passing their nasty opinions. However no matter how many positive comments one gets, sometimes those negative remarks often stick in our heads. Keep up with great videos 👍

[@Tuckaway]

Very interesting video about details the ordinary person doesn't know about the running of a large rail commuter network. It's always a bit scary when you are running "wrong line", as you are in the hands of the signaling department.

[@someusername1]

Thank you! It's fascinating to see something that we just couldn't and wouldn't see as passengers.

[@seanmcerlean]

Thanks for this. Brings back a lot of good memories from the late 80's to mid 90's of my time with LU.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@petertroth3830]

My Uncle Alf used to drive on the Northern line for 25 years plus. He loved his job and watching your videos l can see why.

[@paulcharleton3208]

I think the drivers were called motormen in those days

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga]

I haven't seen any videos from this channel before, but I have a good first impression. It's cool to see an actual tube driver giving an insight into what their job is like.

[@hearingthesmells2500]

I bet in the test to drive these things involves explaining exactly what’s going on… so more awareness rather than distraction

[@bryanerde2564]

Thanks for another interesting video; you take me back to the war time days - on Sundays we used to take the Piccadilly line from Gloucester Road to Hounslow West to visit my Aunt & Uncle who lived at Heston - Happy memories!

[@BANKYTWO]

Hi Dale , as a train enthusiast and member of a rail preservation organisation in Western Australia, I have just found your channel. I would like to compliment you on your commentary as there are so many channels that don’t . As for people saying your distracted they just have to watch drivers in Japan they literally point to signals points ect as part of their everyday driving , this cements their actions in their thinking . Keep up the excellent vlogs . Again thank you .

[@michaelschweizer1114]

Another great video. Very interesting and entertaining for me. Thank you and best regards, Michael from Germany

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you Micheal

[@reviews1681]

Brilliant, love these video I get a lot of inspiration!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you glad you liked it

[@johnlong3214]

Enjoyed every minute of that. I have seen many "Driver's eye view" videos but none had the running commentary that yours has, I think you do a great job. Thank you for taking us along and please keep them coming. 👍+🔔

[@neilmossey]

Absolutely fascinating -- thanks for sharing this Dale, really enjoying the commentary. You answered so many questions I had and I'm already a bit of a tube anorak. Funny how duff comments always come from users with zero videos... as you know it's all about them and they don't have to taint it for the rest of us - we appreciate your video work! Subscribed!

[@dodgydruid]

I love the derailing aspect of those points where a train passing the danger is thrown off the rails as the point arms are away from their contact rails either side... pretty cool stuff :D

[@alanofwales2583]

Hi Dale, great videos, thanks! It's not the wheel flanges that keep the train on the rails, or you would hear a constant screech which would soon wear out the wheels and the track. The wheels are actually conical, and that is what keeps the wheels and axle centered between the rails!

[@esound2003]

Its alway nice to see / hear a dedicated man

[@dubnutty]

Dale, just stumbled upon your channel. Watching you from Fabulous Las Vegas 🎉. Great video.

[@patrickspeaight9154]

Do keep going, you are so refreshing. As far as those with negative comments about your driving commentary, ones feels that are better questions!! So please do on subjects, that normally, that the we would not know, or realised the various, odd tasks, which are interesting. Many thanks,mfor your good work

[@markpunt9638]

Fascinating - thank you so much for making this video and sharing it.

[@georgearchambault6185]

Another learning experience, thank you! Its great the way you explain whats happening!!

[@paulwhiting6979]

Thanks for this. This was amazing. Please do more.

[@jonathanparry9505]

Thank you Dale all the information you give is very interesting. I look forward to your next post

[@TheWeeklyLawReports]

Your professionalism is impressive. I take the Piccadilly line every day so its good to know there are sensible people at the controls!

[@andyl4565]

Thanks for the drivers view and the good quality of the video. It looks enjoyable.

[@tonylancaster8704]

A very interesting video as someone who loves the tube its nice to learn new things and terms like "rusty rail" sounds like a cocktail

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Not sure you would want to drink it

[@martinchapman3204]

Thank you for sharing. Stay safe and look forward to next video.

[@tram90]

Enjoyable video from one of the not normal traffic runs. Thank's a lot.

[@GaryGP40]

Excellent! Dale, I really appreciate the time and effort you take and learning more about railway operations on my favourite transit system. Thank you so much!!

[@nesyut]

This was a video that i never knew I needed, but greatly glad I found :)

[@nchcroy3877]

And people complain about drivers being paid well - with the level of knowledge required to keep people safe I dont begrudge them a single penny.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you. I wish every one thought that

[@lzappa9109]

Really enjoyable and thank you from Australia.

[@JB-zm2oh]

Great video enjoy the insight of a train driver My father was a railway fireman and have always been fascinated by trains

[@edgoddard522]

Thank you Dale for the fascinating insight into your work. Absolutely love your videos and hearing the details of operating these trains along with all the other fascinating snippets of your route and history knowledge.

[@graphtonix6607]

3rd rail arc. That's so awesome!!!!!!

[@ArmoChocko]

This video is pure gold! Seeing such operations on youtube is just amazing! Can’t wait to see more of them!

[@russellyoung6498]

Thanks Dale, interesting and informative. More please!

[@Alan.92n]

Thanks Dale, great insight into another aspect of a tube driver's work. Enjoying these videos keep them coming! All the best. 😊 👍

[@marcuslamb-bentley4492]

Thanks...So relaxing, Clackity Clicking along while I learn stuff I'll probably never need to know. Really enjoyed that

[@tonyweavers4292]

I really enjoyed that. Thanks.

[@Dormikon01]

Hi, you've earned yourself a new subscriber, nice video. Greetings from Germany! 👍

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

It’s great to have you with us

[@marktregaskis3198]

This is brilliant! Not too technical but still fascinating! More please!

[@vinceturner3863]

Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it and now a subscriber! Love the gentle comments, interesting and not too technical.

[@7catsmom959]

Brilliant video! My first visit to your site, but certainly not the last. Thanks.

[@RichardMEL-777]

Thank you for answering all the questions and explaining things. Really enjoy your videos

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

That's great to hear

[@leewillavise7812]

Great video Dale. Thanks

[@YsanneOshea]

Really enjoyed that. Thank you!

[@gb5uq]

Really enjoyable Dale, thanks very much.

[@user-ws7vs2bj4s]

Excellant video, I’m new to these overground underground videos, impressed with how clean and tidy the tracks are.

[@winders128]

Greetings from Queensland, Australia (Brit ex pat). What an enjoyable and informative video. Not too complicated and beautifully clear pictures. Subscribed. Thank you.

[@Pykem]

Excellent, thanks for sharing this vid Dale. An interesting working. Cheers from New Zealand, Marty

[@kirkchestnut5045]

Thank you Dale for taking us along. Had my Tube map up to follow along.

[@pbsteamatspeed7683]

A great informative video. Thanks for posting!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

You are most welcome

[@richardbell9939]

I like watching these videos. Watching from New Zealand. Ex NZRailway driver. Cheers.👍

[@danielhoffmann67]

I like the expression "rusty rail move" because it perfectly describes what is done and if you think about it also for what reason. I will start the driver training in about 1 and a half month at the "Hamburger Hochbahn" Hamburg metro in Germany and I'm quite sure that they have similiar manoeuvres and I wonder how they name them.

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

That's great to hear. I hope you enjoy your career as a driver in Hamburg

[@danielhoffmann67]

@@dalecharmantravels8057 Thanks !

[@bajanboyam]

Dale, another great informative video 👍

[@iankr]

Many thanks, Dale. Fascinating!

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you

[@alexsmith1826]

Great vids, TFL staff are all great and we all appreciate your commitment to providing service. Thanks

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you. I appreciate it

[@dougmorris2134]

Thank you for a very enjoyable trip and informative video. This is video with you.

[@jamescrawford9883]

Much enjoyed your video, it’s 55 years since I rode the tube. Cheers from Australia.

[@siddywiddyb]

Fantastic thank you! I do like how the points out of the siding act as a catch point in neutral position. Great to see that, cheers!

[@deansiracusa3966]

Great video! Thanks so much for sharing your work! It’s very interesting!

[@autumnmatthews3179]

This video came up in a suggestion and it proves they sometimes work because this was really interesting and informative. I really enjoyed watching, so I'm looking forward ro see more

[@davisn456]

First time viewer here. I really enjoyed your narration of the video. It was like hearing what you're processing in your head as you're driving the train. Very interesting, and I look forward to seeing more of your videos!

[@thegreyfolk]

Very enlightning, especially for those interested or curious about LUL operation who may be a long way from London.

[@fircombehallrailwayoogauge1430]

Interesting and informative - thank you.

[@CycloneGU]

This is actually more interesting than a regular service. More like this would be nice.

[@user-nl9ib4dk8i]

Interesting seeing this part of your job Dale

[@CornishMiner]

First time watching one of your videos. Most enjoyable. Subscribed.

[@almuric1baggins337]

Bloody brilliant! I LOVE watching your videos and listening to your relaxed, easy style of commentary! Long may you continue with these and don't let the naysayers get you down. They are only jealous because they don't have such an interesting job as yours! All the best 😊

[@marksinthehouse1968]

Here here if I was a bit younger

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it

[@johnsutcliffe171]

many thanks for great videos,***

[@colinhylton1762]

I have watched several of your videos now, Dale. I think you are presenting them in a terrific way, and I am really enjoying them, Thank you 👋

[@dalecharmantravels8057]

That's great to hear thank you