Fixing everything on our cheap 500hp V10 estate car!

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With BMW's 5.0-litre V10 engine being notoriously fragile, Mike has taken the M5 Touring to engine guru Mr Vanos to check out and sort out everything that could possibly go wrong with the car. First up, the road bearings...
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[@Drivetribe]

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[@channeljared]

Maybe we can use CarVertical to find out what really happened to the ST200?

[@nature10879]

What oil do you recommend on this v10?

[@nature10879]

Oh its a 10w50 instead of 60. Thax

[@mrmcgraw3706]

Does it cover cars in Japan.

[@jamesstocks9062]

Mr Vanos. What a pleasure to listen to a straight talking professional man explaining the job he obviously knows and takes such pride in. Great to watch.

[@geoffsaunders4960]

Let us hope we do not see a new video in 9 months time throwing Vanos under the bus like they did with MadFord.

[@dominicfrankefontinha9018]

@@geoffsaunders4960 what happened there, can you point me to a video?

[@geoffsaunders4960]

@@dominicfrankefontinha9018 Watch the Drivetribe video of a few weeks ago about the Mondeo. Utterly shameful.

[@geoffsaunders4960]

@@dominicfrankefontinha9018 See the last post from them about the Mondeo. They throw MadFord under te bus.

[@geoffsaunders4960]

@@dominicfrankefontinha9018 Check the last DriveTribe video on the Mondeo. They throw MadFord under the bus.

[@H2yprboy]

Not a BMW fan myself, but can only appreciate MRVANOS experience and knowledge on these complicated engines and thoroughly enjoyed the video.

[@connormclaughlin2576]

Why not a bmw fan?

[@OHMk7.5R]

@@connormclaughlin2576 At least for me personally, anything past e90 era hasn’t done much for me.

[@H2yprboy]

@@connormclaughlin2576 What I meant was not a BMW fanboy. I like the z3m and the z4m and would love to own one.

[@connormclaughlin2576]

Fair enough

[@EricHamm]

@@connormclaughlin2576 Cost of repairs is a big hurdle for people buying fun cars on a budget. Like a guy making 50k a year being gifted a Ferrari. How is he gonna maintain and make repairs?

[@buzzfightbeer8023]

Man, Mr Vanos is a true professional and BMW expert. Hard to find mechanics and shops that truly love what they do and strive to be the best. I would take my cars there for sure if I lived in the UK!

[@danielprivate7442]

Letting us know what the price tag was for this little maintenance trip to the shop would have given us a clear idea of what the real cost of a used V10 BMW is. Because that number should be added to the purchase cost of a used one if the work hasn't been done yet.

[@Mardy72]

Sell a kidney

[@cameronhughes9479]

Around 1300/1600 for a e92 m3

[@paydae]

Agreed

[@ejaythereal1]

It'll cost you two two ears and a tooth

[@whoateawethepies9346]

E60 M5s sell between 10k to 20k. The E61 M5 Touring in this video are going up in value almost daily. I think it’s the fact there was on 220 built for UK market expect to pay 30k and upwards. If your buying 1 at say 20k my rule of thumb is have half the money you payed for it put away for inevitable fixes. Running cost alone will empty finances quickly. Can’t run cars like that on a budget

[@madmick3794]

Always been a bit of a sucker for these V10s, was great to see one torn down and its ins and outs explained.

[@supbeaver]

I could listen to Mr Vanos all day

[@luccadukka]

No ego, just sound advice. Great to see.

[@SasquatchMelee]

Bearings being "one hard drive away" from disaster... That's why I recommend SSD in such a case.

[@elmofeneken4364]

Mike, this was one of your best videos on DriveTribe. What an informative 18 minutes, 18 minutes of my life that was definitely not wasted. Mr. Vanos has got to come back for another one.

[@corriedavid]

Mr Vanos did my former 2002 E46 M3 Vanos and shell bearing. Not only a top class engineer but a gentleman to boot. Top work sir!

[@NRJenzenJones]

Mike's presentation style (as well as the videography and editing) has improved significantly since the channel started. I've gone from skipping through videos to watching most of them. Great job, team!

[@deimantas2754]

been waiting for another episode on this car the way it looks is just unreal

[@simonjohnson1955]

Hopefully you don’t throw ‘Mr Vanos’ under the bus in a few months time!

[@spamanator666]

I love how nonchalantly they are about a big job like rod bearings. "So, rod bearings? OK, let's go to it." as if they are changing spark plugs.

[@edvinasa6746]

I’ve always found e60 m5 to be such an enthusiast car, because if you want to have it you have to be amazing at fixing them (assuming you dont want to become broke). I imagine the feeling of it working properly and letting that v10 music flow to your ears must be a highlight of life. Such a dream!

[@mohammeddmalik]

Steve did my VANOS on my E36 M3 Evo almost 15 years ago when he first started out and used to travel all over the country doing them!

[@jamest5149]

Rod bearing wear mostly comes from ignoring the proper warm up of the engine and especially the oil temp and correct servicing… oil is the life blood , proper quality oil of the correct grade changed regularly (~5000 miles) and making sure no high rpm’s until the oil has reached proper working temps. People just jump in and thrash and douse the correct oil due to cost and or lack of changes… basically misuse.

[@TML34]

Yes, but in this case you also have incorrect bearing clearances.

[@ValentineC137]

13:07

[@stuffthings3728]

I want to see more of this mechanic he's like a teacher lol

[@olliesherman3767]

Buy a m3 and give him a couple grand and he comes to your house to fit a new vanos unit.

[@Mtthwpez]

I wouldn't want to be any mechanic/garage working on their cars, after they threw the previous crew under the bus for the problems they caused..

[@speedandpowernl]

As a M6 owner, we feel you.

[@Freshhlifeblu]

What year

[@speedandpowernl]

@@Freshhlifeblu 2007

[@Freshhlifeblu]

@@speedandpowernl not going to lie I’m not a fan of that body style but The new models are sick especially the 2 door coupe but the 4 door version is trash

[@amato5232]

That generation m5 had aged so well, think they look better now than when they came out

[@hamie63_m]

All the hate it got with the E63 and E65 design at the time and now they look like works of art compared to BMWs now

[@anthonyhawkins9239]

That’s why proper specialist mechanics are invaluable 👍, Top Guy Mr Vanos 👍

[@paultaylor9652]

A nice simple and interesting video, no camera trickery just plain talking common sense, more please.

[@ZKhweziN]

When I owned a M6 V10, Mobil 1 Ow40 was my choice. The car even ran a few degrees cooler too. Another common cause with rod bearing failure was people not warming the car up enough. Always started mine for a few minutes before driving off, and would only drive it hard after about 5km of driving. Over 100 000km of trouble free motoring. I absolutely enjoyed that car.

[@GeesDrive]

This is the second video i've seen with Mr Vanos and it's fascinating to watch his insights and experience.

[@user-vl8fb1gu6k]

Steve 'Mr. Vanos': what an interesting guy. Great to hear him speak about this motor.

[@YoungManDub]

So in 6 months we're gonna see what REALLY happened with this car?

[@thatwolffe3802]

They're probably going to "fix it" like the mondeo.

[@Matt-go7ss]

Exactly! 😂

[@garywillis8737]

Repeat and Redo ?

[@jbee9713]

I refuse to accept that BMW didn't know this fault, like so many similar with their older performance M models. Maybe customers knowing they fail, means they will upgrade to new model's sooner!

[@noirceur_]

Well they were actually sued for the oil consumption issue on the N63 engines and were found guilty/at fault. Granted their repercussions were pretty minor overall (Customer Care Package with free oil top offs). But yea, pretty much BMW is garbage. From: An unfortunate owner of multiple BMWs.

[@jbee9713]

@@noirceur_ They aren't garbage though! When it's new, they are arguably the best all round cars on the planet! But if they didn't mess about playing games, they could have the reliability of their older models! Shame really 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@noirceur_]

@@jbee9713 Of course NEW cars are great bud, but it's the long lasting QUALITY that makes them legend. As a past BMW owner I can attest to them being GARBAGE in the 2nd hand, even fixing them myself the parts were overpriced, over engineered, and always under delivered. Cars shouldn't be "consumable" like BMW makes them. Lasts for 80-100k miles and then they are junk. This video is even more proof to the fact BMW knowing sets their cars up for failure. Make the rod bearings too tight, recommend a thicker oil so it can't lubricate properly, and recommend 19,000 mile oil changes (which is completely absurd). It shouldn't take aftermarket support to make a vehicle do what it was intended to do.

[@Shift4g]

@@noirceur_ I don't know how many high performance (and I mean race caliber) engines you've been around, but NONE of them are reliable when used for their intended purpose, or when not used as intended. The mistake BMW made was packing such a thing into a consumer friendly package that people believed would last like something with 5 moving parts. The sad fact still is you can't have things that push the technical envelope and last too. That being said, I agree that cars (and everything else we buy if you are honest) is designed to be more and more of a consumable and only engineered to last so long on purpose.

[@yant8777]

Steve Mr Vanos knows his stuff ! Breath of fresh air.

[@Aidan.17]

30,000km on one oil change? All the cars I’ve had are 10-12,000km. 30,000km is absolutely bonkers. No wonder so many of these engines have bearing issues. Service schedule is literally promoting it.

[@andrewh.8403]

I reckon it falls into the "enforced obsolescence" category.

[@yesnomaybe3372]

@@andrewh.8403 longer service intervals are also to make the car more "economical" to own. Haha

[@deaddoll1361]

@@yesnomaybe3372 This trend initially started as fleet companies became major buyers of new cars and their selection process included the total projected servicing cost during the leasing period as well as the purchase price. Manufacturers started extending the service intervals to give themselves an advantage and sooner or later, they all followed suit.

[@justinweber1838]

You can thank people who shop based on annual maintenance cost of vehicles and the extreme left who have pushed large companies towards carbon credit issues and try and hold these companies accountable for any waste oil the vehicle produces during it's life on top of it's consumption. It is far cheaper to change that oil every 5k miles then it is to repair any of the major mechanical issues that not changing it can cause. The inside of an engine should look like new and not varnished. Varnish is directly related to the oil breaking down it is that simple.

[@animestein]

Well the waiting game is on, so many people are waiting for this V10 to fail spectacularly. Also I would like Mr Steve (Vanos) to have his own service show. Nice professionalism mixed with his calming explanations, could make a really enjoyable show.

[@Seitsneddeppat]

MrVanos was such a pleasure to listen to. Pure information. What an interesting video! Congrats to that well sorted M5!

[@NickJe]

Nice to see an expert in his field. Credit to Mr Vanos!

[@Funnyitskool]

This is brilliant. I’ve never been very car technical but thoroughly enjoyed this! Mr Vanos is clearly an expert.

[@Tyresome]

I've got no idea what's happened in this video but the video work has levelled up so much! Super well done guys and girls! It looks gorgeous and is very much appreciated.

[@noxious7061]

It's worth it for the sound of that V10

[@caprise-music6722]

Yep. What an event that engine is!

[@rudymwaurah]

Bet you they'll do a "full restoration" as well.

[@RUNE-66]

After reading the description down below I really hope the ROAD bearings are ok. 😁 Cheers mate and keep these great vids coming. All the best.❤👍

[@sammythewhammy69]

Oh yeah! I do hope they are ok

[@andrewkennedy9704]

If those go it will take out the muffler bearings and usually that will also cause the blinker fluid to leak.

[@RUNE-66]

@@andrewkennedy9704 😂👍

[@andrewkennedy9704]

@@RUNE-66 👍

[@SavageBunny1]

The way I prime the oil in the engine after a build, is take all the sparkplugs out so there's no compression pushing down on the bearings, I crank it for awhile to make sure there's no oil bubbles/gaps between the bearings and cams.

[@mattfreeman5618]

He wasn’t priming the fuel system. Disconnecting the crank sensor means you can spin the crank at a lower speed without the engine firing up, giving the bearings half a chance to settle and get some oil around them before going straight up to idle speed.

[@SavageBunny1]

@@mattfreeman5618 I meant bubbles in the oil, but yes I also disconnect the fuel pump so the injectors don't fire either, a fuel pump will prime itself the first time you crank it, maybe 2-3 tries but it'll still start.

[@mattfreeman5618]

MrVanos comes across as a true professional.

[@CentralTexasRailJetProductions]

Another great video. You guys never fail to impress me, some stellar content lately. Keep it up! Cheers from Texas, USA. 🤠

[@usman1alam]

I remember seeing this M5 when I visited Mr Vanos.. one extremely clean car!!

[@jako1234567890jako]

I'd love for you to tackle something with a K20 in. It would be a relatively cheap project, it's a very fun engine, typically In Lightweight cars, the aftermarket is enormous and it's just one of those legendary engines

[@_RicksGarage]

Well done Drivetribe. You have certainly upped your game with this video. In recent years I have migrated to Alfa Romeo but I cut my teeth on BMW’s having owned countless examples in the past. Videos like this make me miss them so much. Great video. Great series. Looking forward to more videos 👍🏼

[@headers12]

Hopefully this one doesn’t end up like the ST200!

[@aanthonymorris]

They might throw that garage under the bus too 😅

[@Nick_Parau]

@@aanthonymorris they do start to make this track record. then get it back at the dicky cog and tell how poorly assembled was the engine and they will fix it surely.

[@Deadgrau5]

Hopefully not! MrVanos does do things right mind, so not worried there, but that's not to sad MADFord didn't either. Still a bad taste in my mouth from that episode.

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

Could have done with some infographics for the explanations.... "These engines were destined to fail as soon as they left the factory". Planned obselesence, the German Auto makers are renowned for it. Hopefully these guys won't get thrown under the bus 👀

[@yurongjiang7125]

oh wow. nice to see there is actually a solution to that rod bearing problem now.

[@PlittHD]

skip ad 4:14

[@trwsandford]

Glad you found Mr Vanos here. He clearly knows his BMW's.

[@susanostling5657]

That was cool to watch , definitely like the content your producing on Drive Tribe , again nice job Michael 👍 👏

[@thatsgottahurt]

Really like this series and your other build estore series. I appreciate all the little details and explanations.

[@thetechietoffee]

That’s a lovely motor, looks great and now mechanically sound.

[@prakashnarismulu3332]

This work shop is so clean

[@jamest5149]

The 19,000 mile BMW oil change interval is because most of these type of cars are purchased as a lease and lease companies want long service intervals and low service costs. Madness.

[@kb4777]

Maybe standard 5 series as a lease... Surely not an M series ?

[@papa_pt]

19k oil changes would be a rod bearing death sentence on this car

[@Heidelaffe]

@@kb4777 At least for Germany: especially car as a M5 are company cars and leased when new.

[@memememine1]

Thank you for making this series. The e61 m5 was never sold in my country but it was always my favorite BMW.

[@markcowan5984]

Hope it’s more successful than the Mondeo!

[@JohnSmith-in1tt]

This is such a cool series. I hope we'll be seeing a manual swap at some point

[@Levers103]

Great episode! I come from a background of older American V8’s and the oil change intervals were 3000 miles with conventional oil. I still run an older American V8 on full synthetic and I still change it every 3000 miles. Some may consider it To be overkill, but given the price of oil versus the potential damage old oil can do to an engine it’s cheap insurance. Again, great episode! Very professional!

[@glamdring0007]

There's literally no reason to toss out a quality synthetic at 3000 miles...all you're accomplishing is wasting money. I run a high quality synthetic to 7500 miles and have had the oil tested multiple times and every test has come back telling me the oil can go to 10k miles without issue.

[@Levers103]

@@glamdring0007 To each their own. I once had a bad lifter tick that I couldn’t fix immediately. I noticed at a fresh oil change the tick was barely noticeable, but at 3000 miles the tick was very noticeable. After an oil change the tick would go away temporary until I changed out the lifters. I’m not arguing that synthetic oil can go a lot longer than 3000 miles, I’m a firm believer that it can. I’m just saying for me, and my vehicle specifically I like to change it out at 3000 for my own benefits and reasons.

[@glamdring0007]

@@Levers103 I'd try a different brand if you're getting lifter noise after 3k miles. Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic is worth a shot. I've gotten better mileage and oil test results with it over others like Mobil1 extended.

[@rage12345678]

Truly epic cars. The V10 was the pinnacle of BMW. An exotic masterpiece of an engine stuffed into a pretty normal car. This is what made BMW M always so great. Now all we get is hopped up variations of pedestrian engines in the M cars, and even the dual clutch transmissions are gone. They might be better cars than ever before, but they have no soul. Nothing is TRULY bespoke with BMW anymore.

[@BLX187]

The top gear review of this on the airport runway is unforgettable. they sold it well

[@joshcowlishaw8635]

That e46 in the very first shot 😍

[@djswany85]

Am I the only one surprised a BMW performance expert is so calm, measured and professional? I fully expected someone with oversized plastic sunglasses, tank top and spray tan

[@mr.c3939]

That's because you're a kid

[@dbrandon4528]

Glad to see the rod bearings being done.

[@giorx5]

What an engine! F1 tech there. As the LFA's one. Both sounding great but Yamaha made the LFA exhaust sound awesome.

[@mariosnikolaou5212]

Nice nice nice, that's exactly what i was hoping for! A nice detailed mechanical video!

[@markcarter9476]

Cranking the engine without a start-up until the engine oil pressure light goes out is a technique I always use after a car has been standing for a while. Another layer of care for the engine.

[@Mardy72]

Another thing you can do is fill the engine with oil through the port for the oil pressure switch using a hand pump. Doing this fills all the passages and journals with oil before the engine cranks, rather than waiting for the oil pump to build pressure. 👍

[@jamessheehy4895]

I love the idea of this car if i had a workshop and a collection saw a guy had one with an old Porsche gt3 and a clio v6 but for me personally a w211 m156 estate is always gonna be the winner.. again if you can find one! Also as per colour i’d say leave it alone it’s lovely 😊 great content as always 👍

[@ahemgee9542]

I've got an M113K in the E55. Alot torqueir than the M156 and more stout too.

[@HouseOfPetrol]

We've got an acid yellow '04 Clio V6 Ph2 in the garage, and alltough it's really not much faster than the 182 cups (because it beeing around 300 kg heavier) , the sound and the handling is what makes that car so special! When we stop at gasstations or carmeets,lot's of people ask me what bodykit it is, most think it's a liberty walk kit for a renault clio 🤣... Except enthiousiasts, not many people know about these cars,thats what i like... my whole collection are cars like that lol

[@ScenesThroughTravels]

Epic Car , Great workmanship too . That car would look amazing with an updated front end 👍👍

[@xile321]

Love this series! Looking forward to more content on the M5

[@Lukelukeluke9494]

Looks a brillant car!! Ive just got the basic 520d. Please dont change the colour as that is beautiful

[@maccaplays6921]

Such a chill video love it and all the info feel like we learn something

[@glumdogtrillionaire]

Love seeing people close a bonnet properly.

[@RWoody1995]

Drivetribe turning into a more educational version of Wheeler Dealers is awesome I hope it continues :D

[@NigeUK007]

Great video! Loving these video formats and content quality. MrVanos really knows his stuff, and really enjoyable to listen to. 👍🏻👏

[@thesmallerhalf1968]

Interesting as this, it feels somewhat contrived. We now know DT bought a ‘project’ car, one with a reputation for fragility, but it comes from a BMW expert who had already done most of the wok it needed. That rather diminishes the ‘project’ aspect. Then DT go back to the seller and he finishes the work needed. So we are left with a car that is apparently all sorted, as Mr Vanos put it, so what is left to do? A wrap? A few other frilly bits? Surely the idea of a project car is that it needs a lot of work, and that is what is interesting.

[@John-in-Boothbay]

Hands down, the best BMW project cars on KZbin are those rebuilt by M539 Restorations. Makes this one pretty pale.

[@QuickQuips]

@@John-in-Boothbay best car projects period.

[@TajwarC]

Yes, this is a bit misleading, when I clicked the video after seeing "cheap M5" I expected some 150k mile shed with no maintenance, as the saying goes, there is nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW. I did not expect to see a somewhat pristine example with the major issues ALREADY sorted by one of the leading BMW engine builders in the UK.

[@zottepolee]

Something cheap, and pretty visually nice to add, is a all round spacer. Think about 2 inches in the back, 1 in the front.. No need to buy other wheels for it then ;)

[@simonwoodrow9572]

Nice to know plastigauge is still being used!

[@jamest5149]

Hopefully you are now off to see Imran at Evolve… a carbon inlet plenum is a most 👍

[@nst1981]

50 quid says Mike bins it on a track

[@SkitPete]

So crispy after the bearings and oil🥰

[@I_am_Jesus_though]

I love what Im learning from this channel

[@jagtan13]

This project reminds me of m539's Project Raleigh! similar problems and similar if not the same fixes for the mechanicals!

[@hdhil3137]

Everything that can go wrong with the car will eventually go wrong

[@DJ_NOOB]

Still waiting for a proper explanation on what happen with the Ford and Mad Ford.

[@thatwolffe3802]

After the mondeo fiasco I really doubt it when you say you're fixing anything.

[@matthewc.419]

Very intresting .......😊 I got to drive the m5 v10 saloon @4000 miles what a animal of a car

[@ConnorSimpson007]

Well, you really did bullet proof the car with that amount of work. Can't wait to see how the finished product looks

[@Slaphappy1975]

What a beautiful, desirable piece of machinery...

[@wrangazz]

Hey mate, this content is amazing. But I dont think I am the only one to want to know what happened with madford. It really feels like they have been dragged through the mud and your listeners would like to know what happened there

[@t.michaelbodine4341]

This car, the trans swap, the tuning, has been absolutely pitch perfect. But why in the name of all that is holy did they buy the station wagon (estate) version?!

[@paulhanusiak4291]

Awesome car!! Looking forward to this series.

[@brettkuieck590]

Awesome video we got here. That M5 is an epic car.

[@nickcosta4326]

That place looks like heaven

[@OldSkoolCarpMan]

I'd love to see this with an E92 DCT conversion! Plus the obligitary exhaust and intake of course 😃

[@MattyMacPhotography]

looks like you've been watching M539 channel...strong work!

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

It's worth restoring a future classic V10 M5.

[@craigprosser9554]

Will they throw these guys under a bus as well I wonder

[@deterrentdubz9116]

The s85 v10 is the best engine ever made in my opinion. It doesn’t get better!

[@rebelranter]

Worth getting a new battery and getting it coded to the car. Also, stick it on a CTEK tender when not in use. This era of BMW loves to eat batteries, it came from an era where the tech took a huge leap forward, but the power draw from this new tech was not optimal. So a weak battery will throw up lots of random errors which can be frustrating.