How much horsepower has our V10 BMW M5 Touring lost in 15 years?

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With the DriveTribe E61 M5 Touring recently given a full bill of health, Mike decided it was the best time to whack the car on a dyno to see how much power its 5.0-litre V10 is still creating after 15 years.
How much horsepower do you reckon it'll make? 🤔
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[@Drivetribe]

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[@jamesscully529]

Lucy hasn't posted on her own channel for quite a while. Too busy designed new merch?

[@siraff4461]

3 weeks fault free then a dyno run? Brave man.

[@drivenbythedetails9471]

Give me a ring from our page and we can arrange any date too

[@cri99ymc62]

Can you please address properly what happened with MAD Ford and the Mondeo? It’s getting a bit ridiculous at this point

[@jonathanparry5257]

@CRI99Y MC 6 indeed!

[@252Scooby]

Was hoping for around 440bhp so I could say as one wise man once said “ well essentially that’s a vw lupo has escaped your engine”

[@M3PH11]

"Whats happened to your car? It's like someone opend the bonnet and let all the horses out" iirc

[@vaggelisgian]

Could be worse... It could have a fake M badge and be an ordinary 5 series touring, but the upside would be that it would have to make less power... And despite that, the engine would produce 80 horsepower.

[@pangolin83]

@@vaggelisgian "I bought a 5 Series with a £35 M badge"

[@vaggelisgian]

@@pangolin83 *engine proceeds to self destruct after the previous owner spent 10.000£ on it*

[@252Scooby]

@@vaggelisgian & then never makes it to peppermint rhinosaurus place 😂

[@DannyPhilipsen]

I rather enjoyed hearing Mr. Mahmood talk about that intake system. It's always great to hear passionate people talk about something!

[@mechanich1249]

But air not forced in the filter as it shows on video also no turbo . Waist of money.

[@Dregkar]

He sounds like Jackfrags

[@AlexRib]

@@Dregkar he does hahaha

[@nathanaeltambunan607]

@@mechanich1249 naturally aspirated is wayyy better than turbos

[@mika87]

@@mechanich1249 you can't even put a cohesive sentence together. I know whose opinion I value more.

[@Petrospect]

That Z8 is hypnotic. Was too distracted after that.

[@LCOF]

The owners have two, one each. :)

[@Frostfly]

You keep calling it a conservative Dyno...and he kept calling it a "realistic" dyno.

[@nomianwar8557]

Well pointed out changed my life

[@JourneyWithBen]

It's very realistic, dyno'd many a car there and backed it's numbers up on the 1/4 mile.

[@theheadone]

Yeah, I was annoyed by this as well.

[@tunedbyrabbid]

Despite letting the car climb the roller which actually inflates the figure on a Dyno Dynamics..... The total inertia of the dyno is reduced when the wheel loses contact, the software doesn't know that's happened still calculates the power under acceleration with the total inertia of the drive roller, inertia roller and transmission.. It's about 20-30HP for free.

[@TrevorDennis100]

Our dynos (mostly engine dynos and a LOT of them) all had to be calibrated when ISO9000 came to be. It was a struggle to get the departments to shut down long enough for the calibration, but they had no choice with ISO9000. I don't dare say how far out some of them were, and nor do I dare say where I worked.

[@Rockatha]

I was there at Bruntingthorpe when the Evolve M5 broke the record for the world's fastest M5. I used to work for an exhaust tuning company who sponsored the day.

[@yoda-1551]

I had an eventuri intake on my M3 and it was one of the best mods I made! Sound was elevated, power was only noticable when I put the OEM back on, but bottom line is it did make a difference.

[@gctzx]

I have the Eventuri intake on my M6 and am happy with the increased V10 induction noise.

[@plusRpm]

The eventuri intakes really speak for themselves, they look great and a highly tuned na engine spitting out 15-8hp over the entire rev range with just a bolt on intake is brilliant

[@swansmeister]

Thats what money get you because they aint cheap but indeed the best on the market probably.

[@gitanodel69]

15-8?

[@plusRpm]

@@gitanodel69 fifteen to eight, eight to fifteen. An estimated margin.

[@gitanodel69]

@@plusRpm I eventually figured but thanks

[@dankiel]

I have a 08 M5, and of all the cars I've ever owned I connect with this car for some reason. 8mpg is a con, but the pro is that it's always a treat to drive. It's so extreme on level 6 transmission, just absolutely violent.

[@GeesDrive]

Sounds incredible! Love listening to the Imran and Bilal as always. Camera work and b-roll is also awesome in this vid. Top work.

[@TamedBarley]

the explanation of all these parts is very interesting! especially when he was talking about the inverted air intake

[@schmoosmith]

That cone filter design is sick. The way it narrows down after the filter is the same principle as a jet engine.

[@Kaisuke971]

It's in the name Venturi effect

[@InsaneBimmer]

we call that restriction. get a grip man.

[@schmoosmith]

@@InsaneBimmer Excuse me?

[@mikedrivetribe8314]

I'm probably going to regret saying how healthy everything is... But we're two months down and still not a single warning light to speak of. MOT incoming...

[@theotherchannel2279]

I would like you to pick me up and take me for a drive, but you will like the roads where I live. As I live in Wales... And we have some very nice roads here.

[@mrflippant]

You're living the dream, Mike! Once you've got this car all set up, can we have a video of you and Ben Collins thrashing it around some mountain roads somewhere? Also; what news of the V10 Miata??

[@grahamek86]

@@tootrue3953 controversy? What's been going on? I did wonder why I hadn't seen any updates in nearly a year from it, but then I hadn't gone looking. Looks like the last video was 9 months ago.

[@ankledsquid]

So when are we getting an explanation on the mondeo?

[@weezy013]

There is some debate on the color, can you share the color code from the plaque??

[@Slaphappy1975]

Loving this car and this series, Mike! Cant wait for what comes next!

[@rempuial2530]

Nice to see it lived up to its expectations and more. What a nice car, and engine!

[@findingneutral426]

I’m more surprised that the v10 is still running after 15 years tbh 😂

[@julian5662]

my fther have the 330xd (e91) fabrication in 2007 whit upgrgrated in the ECU he dont take anithig exceptualy the upgrated in the ECU. The e91 330xd have in base 231HP/HP 500NM 368,8 punds of torque, he pass to 265HP/CV i dont know (now) of the torque/ pounds of torque is generated now... but i know he´s car dont lost any HP/CV in this 16 years old car...

[@giorgiosperanza7783]

Incredible shots guys... absolutely absolutely gorgeous.

[@mohammedal-r471]

thank you for this very entertaining episode, really enjoyed it.

[@dlygrind]

Fave video series so far! Great work Mike and DT!

[@MikeMUFC91]

Always wanted an E60 touring. Recently moved to America and they're not available here. SO hard to find a well looked after E60. Dream car for me and eventually I'll own one.

[@cssharpe84]

Awesome V10. Still waiting for one in your MX-5 though.

[@technique275]

Great explanation from Bilal. Great looking car, all the best with the build.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

That is very impressive I was expecting maybe 50 or more rampant horses to have escaped in that time but it's within it's brand new expected range of horsepower and with M it's above what BMW said it should be!

[@Toto_Muc]

In times of NA-engines BMW numbers were often to optimistic...

[@trainman665]

It’s not particularly special. Most cars still output close to what they did new.

[@TheChris91173]

@@trainman665 okay and pretty much all cars now aren't doing that without force induction. And those cars aren't screaming v10s

[@trainman665]

@@TheChris91173 If you think BMWs are poor quality and this is surprising then fine. Modern cars barely lose any power as they age. It’s not the 1960s anymore.

[@RWoody1995]

​@@TheChris91173 It's nothing to do with forced induction, it's been a thing basically ever since engines became electronically controlled, think about it old school purely mechanical engines lost power over time for sure because they had a fixed fuel flow rate, timing, etc but electronically controlled engines, even N/A ones can measure fuel quality, temperatures, knock etc and adjust things to maintain the power they were designed for as long as nothing's too damaged or worn out in the system. Technically there's a grain of truth in what you say as forced induction gives the engine one more thing to use to adapt to different conditions but it's not the turbocharging that's allowing for that, it's the fact that everything's electronically controlled and working together.

[@deenoc3622]

Absolutely love these m5 videos. Subcribed to the channel now. Those lads at Evolve really know their stuff.

[@JaxKiBez]

Yeah... sold! Now i MUST buy Eventuri intake to my E60 M5

[@kevinfleming9919]

Now add an exhaust system to free up the flow, give less restrictions and add some tail end sound!

[@Rorschach.]

Also still waiting for you to explain what happened with MAD Ford.

[@K14RTP]

Explain?

[@Rorschach.]

@@K14RTP Happily. It relates to the "Broken" video of 16/03/22. There are currently 891 comments and I have never witnessed such a uniform vocal rejection of a video's content by loyal fans of a site. I will say no more and let you decide what you make of the matter for yourself. Hopefully DT will be in a position to address the matter before too long.

[@tonydotnottingham]

Yep!

[@K14RTP]

@@Rorschach. hmmm yes I’ve just looked, I never watched that video. Would like to see MAD fords side of the story to be fair

[@andrewvipond01]

My E61 M5 was fitted with the 1st batch of eventuri intakes in 2014, stock wheel power is about 400, you need the supersprint 5 to 1 exhaust manifolds and their retune, look up the evolve video on E85 exhaust manifolds, the stock units are crude fabrications

[@jay_hibb4787]

I have an Eventuri intake on my 2001 M3 ❤️. Even the box/packaging it comes in is very cool!

[@gregrogers6012]

That’s a badass wagon. I have the 535 six. Never disappointed taken several trips it has an appetite for distance. Can’t imagine a V10. Rocket drive.

[@weeevilswine]

Diesel or petrol? Absolutely love my 535d, it’s a bit of a license loser on the motorway though as it’s not happy unless sitting near 100mph🤣

[@waynedl99]

@@weeevilswine bollox, they're perfectly happy at 70, it's the loose nut behind the wheel that wants to do 100mph+ Use the cruise control and watch how easily it sits at legal speeds.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Just got a gang of Merch! Thanks for great content y’all! Keep going and hi from Northern California! 🐻☺️

[@tidysampler585]

A great collaboration between Drivetribe, Eventuri & Evole Automotive 🔥 All this BMW content is making me think about moving away from VW/SEAT one day.

[@paultasker7788]

That noise! Usually when you Dyno test a car it sounds a bit strained and horrible not least because of the wheels on the rolling road. But that v10 drowns it all out and revved to the max sounds wonderful

[@mrctuned2844]

Really enjoyed this video guys!

[@DarkKnight2845]

This BMW is probably one of my favourite BMW cars, always have been a fan of that stunning V10 and the styling.

[@michaelshawn2946]

As always Mike Great Job..👏👏

[@clemensweiss6163]

You guys really stepped up the production quality, the B roll shots of the intake being fitted and the wheel transition onto the dyno were quality! Love to see it

[@FelixandtheSea]

Dyno test starts at 3:15.

[@michelvaillant6596]

You the goat

[@panpajonk8393]

thanks man

[@PlittHD]

thank you. Or as we say in Germany: Ehrenmann

[@metadata4255]

@@PlittHD Heidelberg idfk Deutsch sprache etwa einige Tanzen mit deine M(umlaut)tter

[@bomfy]

Doing the Lord's work. Thank you!

[@andrewgta5358]

I used to have a SV57 plate M5 estate and a SV56 E60 M5 ohhhhhhhhh the memories are flooding back in 🤩

[@rjdavies1982]

What was the deal with Mad Ford though

[@SouthernCrossMotors]

The Dyno Dynamics are know for being called “The Heartbreaker” dyno as they are very conservative in the power calculation and probably quite accurate like the Mainline Dyno. The DynoJets are known to inflate the ego and power numbers by around 11-13% over the previous two mentioned. The Mainline Hub is the best of all but takes time to set up over the roller version. Looking forward to the future episodes 👍

[@mrctuned2844]

Honestly a hub dyno is just a quick to set up as a chassis dyno. Ive had a chassis dyno for 6 months and trust me when I say there is a lot of time devoted to making it work right on the roller. A hub dyno would be a time saver with certain vehicles

[@tunedbyrabbid]

Not to mention letting the car climb the roller which actually inflates the figure on a Dyno Dynamics..... The total inertia of the dyno is reduced when the wheel loses contact with the idler roller, the software doesn't know that's happened still calculates the power under acceleration with the total inertia of the drive roller, inertia roller and transmission.. It's about 20-30HP for free.

[@mrctuned2844]

@@tunedbyrabbid yes sir, and it was clearly shown in this video too.

[@stanislawrybinski]

the match cut at 13:01 is so satisfying! the editor deserves a raise.

[@randoir1863]

I love it when u talk geek on the channel !!!! I couldn't stop smiling throughout the video .

[@xdbxlsilvio3681]

Love it! I think its really cool you guys value our opinions

[@freddiejones4598]

Brings back so many memories. My old man had an m5 saloon back in 2005 when I was a teenager. Was epic back then

[@n.gravey3735]

So thats what Lucy has been up to!!! Miss her videos.

[@bmwM5ma]

Amazing video, would love to have those intakes on my E60 V10

[@filipwennergren2712]

Love this!!! Greetings from Sweden.

[@54mgtf22]

Love your work 👍

[@JamesMH]

“Is this dyno conservative or optimistic” “it’s accurate” “this dyno is conservative” I’d have done the same thing to be fair 😂

[@thehillbillyengineer3795]

THE BEST EPISODE! Ok, I see HillBilly designed Venturia intake/filters on everything I have... even the lawnmower (um, actually may get the largest curve integration improvement percentage.... as for everything else... mpg $ : ) TY and Dang nice car! P.S. Don't let Richard drive it!

[@chrisduran3007]

Great to see Imran and Bilal exposed to a wider audience, their hard work speaks for itself! The Evolve KZbin channel is worth a follow if you have any interest in BMWs

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Thank you kind sir.

[@chrisduran3007]

@@EvolveAutomotive you are most welcome!

[@DJ_NOOB]

Still waiting for you to explain what happened with Mad Ford.

[@interceptor-ss8kb]

Yeah would love to know as it all ended in a fallout.

[@JonManProductions]

New challenge: take a shot of Asian Parsnip Navy Strength Gin every time a comment asks about the Mondeo.

[@mexibobor]

completely OOTL, why do people mention this?

[@fngsoap1023]

Brilliant estate wagon never knew these existed so thanks for that

[@jackwilson4284]

There was an E34 M5 touring too

[@caseyscales2087]

Properly done with a visit to Evolve

[@bield7]

Great vid, fantastic car.

[@goosemaster1654]

the editing on this is amazing

[@michaelallen2501]

Without a graph from 15 years ago from the same dyno, on the same settings, in similar weather conditions nobody knows how many you've lost. Could've been 40hp above or below rated figures after attempting to convert for drivetrain losses.

[@lewismatthews]

This car is awesome, but is that a Z8 in the background at 15:25 ? Another rare car with values going up rapidly! Time to save up for a v10 estate...

[@PixelVogue]

they recently bought it, check out their channel

[@whatleytom]

Bravo, superb content

[@JelloTR]

I had an Eventuri on my E90 M3. £800 of perfection in carbon which made the V8 growl even harder. The Eventuri products are such high quality, super expensive mind but if you can afford them they’re well worth it. E60 carbon plenum will be what £2k?

[@rickrolled09]

Get the plenum bought 👍

[@philb8437]

Plz, more sounds clips of it, that dyno run at the end with the new i takes was too short for us to enjoy the sound !

[@kevinkarbonik2928]

I have an older set of evolve carbon intakes on my E60 M5..... dig the difference.

[@garyskinner4524]

Another great video, would have been nice to see the intake system after the install or did I miss that bit?

[@randoir1863]

they did a 2nd dyno post intake install .

[@PatMagee86]

The transitions during the install section were incredible! Great job editing the video.

[@paullockwood7219]

This is magnificent What an engine. What a noise.

[@9wowable]

any news on MAD Ford? I can't take anything this channel does seriously right now, all seems fake. Please clarify because I do quite enjoy the content. Oh and especially as they were going to do the MX5 V10 project. Which I was *really, really* interested in.

[@cf7600]

^^ This. Great cinematics and editing, but lets get some real builders and car people content.

[@LCOF]

I think Mike has problems managing projects, budgets and expectations.

[@joyl7842]

BMW maintenance and parts may be expensive, but they have produced some of the most reliable cars in history. I loved my 316i from 2000. I inherited it from my father and without much maintenance at all it would still top at nearly 210 km/h nearly 20 years after it was produced. That's quite decent for a 1.6 liter engine, I think! Other than that they are just such classy-looking cars, comfortable and a joy to drive. Of course I am biased, because it was my first car.

[@_Napoletano_]

im jealous of that car. definitely not jealous of those maintenance intervals😂.. beautiful ride.

[@jasonbrierley1]

Owned one and absolutely loved it! Has a 520d estate at the same time 👌

[@thebritishautochannel]

The performance all estate cars should aim to have 🙌🏻😩😆

[@madmick3794]

My v8 wagon has 460hp with new air intake, exhaust and tune to suit. The kids love it.

[@kennorcott7074]

That’s not really the point of an estate. There are just performance ones

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

@@kennorcott7074 Whats the point of any vehicle apart from getting you from point A to B? Some just get there faster.

[@Stettafire]

@@Rose.Of.Hizaki Better to have a fast car that's designed to go fast

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

@@Stettafire Whats the fun in that though? You get more fun stuffing the biggest engine in the smallest car you can find. Even if you dont break any land speed records with it, you'll have a lot more fun building and driving it then some super car that cost 500x more Speed isnt everything. Its how you use it. Search youtube for a guy who turbo charged an old 1L ford fiesta or the people who are K-swapping honda engines into old mini's. Theres even a dude that had a Mk1 or Mk2 Golf thats all held together by a rollcage that has something like 600-800hp going around the Nürburgring Nothing wrong with getting more omph out of what you got, Thats what the fun is all about.

[@xile321]

Yea loving the content!

[@josebarretomartins9223]

One of the coolest cars on KZbin, presently. Keep it up Mike!

[@prerunnerwannabe]

13:00 Sweet transition!

[@RedLP5000S]

That M5 is magnificent! ✌🏻

[@callumrook2427]

Gotta love the guys at eventuri they are wizards !!

[@steadfastandyx4947]

I had 530d. Brilliant. I'd love this machine.

[@matthewscleary1]

Counting down the days until the plenum is available. The eventuri’s look, sound and feel amazing.

[@ninja12lawbreaker]

I have a V10 from the other manufacturer, and I really want to try those venturi air filters. gonna measure the intakes very soon.

[@DiogoP]

rs6 v10?

[@hexagonosaurus5848]

@@DiogoP s6/8 5.2 fsi.

[@smarter_solutions]

I had the same, even same color. Really great car.

[@jameslong7758]

Love that v10 sound!

[@scottsracing]

I tried a different set of carbon plenums but the epoxy cracked, so I'm excited to see the Eventuri version of them. I'll have to get the full set of intake and plenums when they're done.

[@dougie8010]

Manhart plenum?

[@elieberro5731]

More on the v10 Miata!

[@martycrush6412]

Thank you for living my dream 😍😍😍😍🙏🏻🙏🏻💪🏼

[@simonelliott5956]

I’ve been thinking about the Eventuri for my RS6, I’m pretty sold on it now!

[@one40i19]

Lovely bit of roller climb there😂

[@drumpaul1347]

Yep, some seeeerious roller-creep going on.

[@tunedbyrabbid]

@@drumpaul1347 got to make the intake make a difference some how..

[@eurosonly]

Needs more shots of the intake in the engine bay and sound clips of it running.

[@harbl99]

500+ hp in an estate. Mike: "Not enough!"

[@DSPrints_]

I fell asleep watching this video. Woke up this morning to rewatch. I can see why not, that was the longest explanation of air filters 😂😂

[@montlejohnbojangles8937]

What a sweet intake!

[@ruftime]

I owned a dyno-dynamics for 15 years, great dynamometers…..but….Dyno’s provide Comparative measurement, not Direct measurement. ALL dynos allow “ fingers on the scale” with a few key strokes. Some manufacturers, Dyno-jet, just have a higher correction value…..more like Flywheel HP vs WHP…….which is why you always see Dynojet numbers when people want big HP numbers.

[@tunedbyrabbid]

Plus they're letting the car climb the roller which actually inflates the figure on a Dyno Dynamics..... The total inertia of the dyno is reduced when the wheel loses contact with the idler roller, the software doesn't know that's happened still calculates the power under acceleration with the total inertia of the drive roller, inertia roller and transmission.. It's about 20-30HP for free.

[@ashystyle]

Would love to know what is happening when you press the M1/M2 button which puts the engine in it's 507HP mode! Do an episode just about that with an BMW specialist please!

[@mrctuned2844]

The electronic throttle doesn't open to 100%, restricting airflow and reducing power.

[@GrandHuevotes]

This seems like a commercial for a juvenile intake

[@ewookiis]

I miss my e60 right now :(. But the sound of that v10... om nom nom...

[@carlistillu]

What a great car!!!, I think all the cars may be gaining some horsepower, my theory is in regards of modern technologies in gasoline additives spark plugs oils etc....😊

[@lorddrake2418]

Thanks, interesting.

[@LCOF]

Reading the comments its clear that Drivetribe casual contrarians are a very different breed.

[@robertaBooey69]

On the results it’s says fly at the end of the hp numbers? Does that mean it’s not wheel horsepower measured on a rolling dyno? Usually rwhp is no where near factory because drivetrain loses.

[@jamessheehy4895]

Is that red e39 in background the one matt watson reviewed?

[@LCOF]

Yup.