2022 Subaru BRZ Reviewed vs. Toyota GR 86

[@adelaideautowashes]

I've always been a fan of the 86 and BRZ (particularly the 86) so its welcoming to see that Toyota and Subaru got together again to make a second generation. I'd absolutely consider buying a GR 86!

[@oekfoh8684]

I'd go for a GR 86 too, or GR Yaris

[@QKvox]

@@oekfoh8684 I have a feeling Japan is going into a 2nd golden age of cars just like in the 70s/80s after muscle cars went out of fashion which is happening now with the Camaro about to be killed off for an electric sedan and the hellcat being discontinued in 2024

[@MrGreenelight]

@@QKvox The Camaro and Hellcat muscle cars are not competitors to 86 or Subaru BRZ, and never have been. They have almost 3 times the power. The BRZ/ 86 competes with the Mazda Miata, Nissan Z, etc. They also do not compete with the only current American 2 seater sports car the Corvette. Come on people........

[@QKvox]

@@MrGreenelight that’s not what I’m saying I’m saying that manufacturers are moving away from muscle so the Japanese manufacturers are gonna have to fill that hole and this is what they’re doing, just like after the oil crisis in the 73 muscle cars went out of fashion coz of the consumption and now because of restrictions

[@MrGreenelight]

@@QKvox Muscle cars are not moving away, the way in which muscle is delivered / supplied is "changing" not disappearing. Tesla and the new Hummer are great examples. Dodge, will discontinue the Hemi V8, they will not discontinue the Muscle. Tesla Plaid is electric muscle compared to the electric Nissan Leaf, or Toyota Prius

[@markbarrett2686]

So glad Subaru is still catering to the sports car community. After what they’ve done to the WRX I was really worried!

[@fifteen8850]

The wrx is still good as a driver’s car, if any of the recent reviews are anything to go by

[@Subiloop]

What they do to the wrx?

[@wayward03]

@@Subiloop either the cvt or the ugly plastic fenders...not sure which he's talking about

[@DLBRT]

@@wayward03 I’d say both. It’s blasphemy

[@JT_SOG_513]

All electric wrx coming soon ! 😂

[@hixnada8278]

So glad to see a 2nd gen of these models!

[@MikeJones-in3uk]

"They actually sold more than they anticipated " I love it !! And thank you for being transparent and super honest . I have the toyota 86 2017 but I'm leaning towards the brz this time around. I'll see when I test drive it between the two.

[@nephilymbass1]

Toyota and Subaru sold more 86/brz’s than Porsche sold all their vehicles in the same amount of time. So the sales were decent. Especially for Subaru because Subaru doesn’t sell as many cars as Toyota with Toyota have big sellers like the Camry and Corolla. I’m honestly totally open to getting either car. Plan on going back and forth between a few Subaru and Toyota dealers and just seeing who will give me the best deal.

[@njoythedrive]

@@nephilymbass1 If you're seriously considering this car, I would just try to pay sticker plus tax at the dealer of your choice and pre-order one. I may be wrong in my prediction, but buying a new car isn't as easy as it used to be with this chip shortage. Donut Media just made a video on it, shortage of chips means shortage of cars. On a recent road trip, about 10 days ago, I saw 2 massive lots FULL of new cars, just sitting there. Didn't know what they were for until I saw Donut's video on the shortage. They're all waiting for computer parts. I put my name down for a BRZ last month and I'm glad I did, hopefully being the first one in my area to put my name down means I'll actually get it by the promised date in november. Best of luck.

[@ralkia]

Wow, 2017-2020 86/BRZ has been my dream car since they were first announced. The new models improve over the previous in basically every way but I don't think I'll ever get over how much I like the styling on the 17s. Best of luck with your new purchase!

[@filipprucnal]

@@njoythedrive There are rumors about deliveries being made as soon as October so you might get yours even sooner

[@njoythedrive]

@@filipprucnal I am crossing my fingers for it!

[@limpunsing224]

I'm glad to see great affordable sports cars still exist Top-notch review

[@sepic13]

How’s is this sports ?!? It’s a nugget !! It’s a chick car

[@sepic13]

@liquid sword ❄️ ??? I drive GT2 RS MR and sports car!! This is vacuum cleaner

[@sepic13]

@Saurav Silwal chick to drive not to pick up !! It’s like a bloke wearing G string !!!

[@sepic13]

@God Trojan if you are gay than you can drive that car !!

[@sepic13]

@God Trojan gay cat for gay people simple as that !! Yo call that spot it’s an insult to a real sports car !! It’s a vacuum cleaner

[@DriverGuy23]

Everyone notches about the back seat being too small. It, you have to realize that in a pinch, the backseat is useable for short distances if necessary. It’s good to know that I can give a few people a ride if necessary. You can’t do that with this car’s main competition, the Miata.

[@LoveMyZJ]

Watched this as soon as I got home from work. As a former BRZ owner (2013 Limited with minor mods) I'm very excited to see and drive this car. It sounds like much of, if not all of the first gen car's ailments have been rectified, and as much as I'd miss my SVX, I'm seriously considering parking a new one in the driveway. Informative and well presented as always Ryan.

[@the_greatestever5483]

Hey I also have an SVX! Great to see another owner on here. Unfortunately mine just got hit with some major issues (probably electrical) so it's currently sitting in the garage

[@marvinmurakami8828]

I think it was a mistake for Subaru to give up on the SVX. Perhaps the window in window design was too quirky looking but it was functional.

[@LoveMyZJ]

@@the_greatestever5483 SVX owners unite! 🙌 Mine is waiting get the flex plate replaced and potentially one or both rear wheel bearings. I love the car dearly and actually sold the BRZ to make room for it, but I miss having a lightweight sports car with a manual. The SVX is a fabulous highway car though, 100mph feels like nothing.

[@LoveMyZJ]

@@marvinmurakami8828 it really was, you can have the windows down at 70mph and only feel a gentle breeze. The aerodynamics are also impressive, driving the car on a very windy day, you hear the wind but you don't feel it. It has a drag coefficient of just .29 Subaru was so close to finalizing their phase 2 4EAT, that transmission would've done wonders for the SVX.

[@mrael6304]

Great review. I've been waiting for a reliable, fun to drive, affordable sports car. I hope Subaru sells this car without any added price increases.

[@MrBryant240sx]

Right? Unless you want to pay half as much for a 30 year old S-chassis.

[@TheCldmstrsn]

Good price! I got my 2019 BRZ Limited manual with performance package (Sachs dampers, Brembo brakes) for only 29 so I am hoping in a few years that will still be the case.

[@isupportthecurrentthing5225]

I like the appearance of this generation. It looks more mature but still keeps that sporty look.

[@catherinephillips5993]

I've had my 2022 Limited since November. I'm getting 30 mi to the gallon. I absolutely love this car!

[@mr.wiggles7535]

The BRZ has grown on me and I've honestly taken a greater liking to it over the 86. Mostly since I've watched numerous videos of it with all of the accessories you can get from Subaru/STI.

[@dfwbabydriver]

Yup! Getting mine delivered next month!! So excited 😆

[@brandonn2584]

@@dfwbabydriver how exactly do you pre order it do i just call the dealer

[@dfwbabydriver]

@@brandonn2584 call the dealer! Or just walk inside and tell them. Ask if they have one coming because most likely they won't want to order one just for you since they only get one special order a month. They will sell you what's scheduled for delivery though! Sub so u can see mine when it gets here! Thanks!

[@UrM0msFav0rite1]

People gotta understand that a 2006 Subaru wrx came with 230 hp. So because of the fact this is naturally aspirated and make the same power as a turbocharged 2.5 liter engine is impressive

[@RandyAugustus]

Meh. That’s just a natural progression of engineering.

[@DNKwest74]

I get mine in November and I’m sooooooooo excited feels like years

[@martinwtaylor]

So glad that I'm buying another BRZ. I have a 2017 and will take delivery of a 2023 shortly. Thanks for the review, you have detailed the suspension differences better than any other channel so far.

[@michaelluttmer2486]

Great review, and that TPMS perk is bonus with the 3 sets of wheels/tires I have for my MY14. The differences are really fascinating between the GR86 and BRZ.

[@CanadianMax]

It would have been even more amazing if the car featured an auto relearn sensor setup that didn't even require a switch. Maybe they are saving that for the next refresh in 2032 ;)

[@AnishSomawar]

Closest thing to a fun affordable 'sports car' we got in India (in very limited quantity) was the last gen Octavia vRS for about 55000$ post taxes. Hope we get fun cars like these which do not a bomb.

[@chron151]

Crazy to think this car has one more advertised hp than a 2002 WRX even though it makes less torque. I'm curious if Subaru will once again offer a TS version with the Brembo brakes.

[@Huesaflash]

Dang BRZ gets me with how it behaves on the track. Clean lap times and confident cornering. Styling I'll have to go with the GR86. Now anyone know if changing sway bars will get the 86 to handle just as good as the BRZ?

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

It doesn't need turbo.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Excellent review, Ryan. And kudos for at least giving the old college try in the back seat. I know it's cramped. But having owned a Mazda RX-8, it's not much worse. (Though the Mazda provided hidden rear doors that improved access.) And for me the BRZ (and GR 86) offers a huge advantage over a Miata and other sports cars with room for only two passengers. Specifically, the back seat provides a spot for my large dog. That means I can share drives with my wife (or daughter) and "Fido." He's very appreciative of that. (Yeah, I know that few consumers consider the accommodations for a 4 footed passenger but at least from their commercials it appears that Subaru understands my family's eccentric ways.) As for the obvious question about of the GR 86 vs the BRZ, I'd give a slight edge to the Subaru. In terms of styling, the BRZ's rear end is less busy and (to my eye) more attractive. And since I put many more miles on mountain roads around Mt. Rainier than on a track (where I prefer 2 wheels to 4), the advantage you cite in terms of stable handling trumps the "toss-ability" of the Toyota. When each vehicle manages to find their way to the PNW, I'll be looking seriously.

[@drivingsports]

I had to put baby seats into my RX8.. that was much more difficult that it should have been.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@drivingsports You have my condolences. Fortunately, my dog didn't need a child seat. On the other hand, the rotary engine's almost non-existent torque below 6000 rpm meant its excellent driving characteristics were difficult access on any but a deserted mountain road. It reminded me of driving a 4 wheel version of a 500 cc 4 cylinder Japanese motorcycle. As a daily driver it was a DOG. Then there was the fact that if the engine was shut off before it reached fully operating temperature it was likely to flood. Once that happened the car had to be towed to a garage with a lift to replace the single spark plug. I learned to deal with it and managed to reduce the risk with a larger battery but that meant the engine cover had to be removed. The problem was so widespread that Mazda eventually added a warning light to the dash in the last year of production advising the driver not to kill the engine until it had warmed up. I put up with it for five years for its strengths and unique "character," but I didn't miss its eccentricities or its mid-teen fuel economy when I replaced it with a GTI.

[@drivingsports]

@@stephenhendricks103 I'm with you 100% on all of this. Now when I see "new rotary" from Mazda, I just roll my eyes. Prove to me it's great and maybe I'll listen. Lol.

[@Jaredscott89]

@@stephenhendricks103 Renesis has a pretty flat torque curve, if its non-existent at 6k it is everywhere... Whinging about flooded rotaries and needing to take it to a garage simply means you bought the wrong car.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@Jaredscott89 You're right. I should have bought one of the 99.99999% of automobiles manufactured over the last 100 years that didn't flood simply when the engine was killed before the engine was warmed up. And if the engine was flooded for some reason a stab at the accelerator and waiting a minute or two eliminated the problem instead of requiring that the car be transported to a garage to have its single spark plug replaced. Yup. It was my fault. 😢

[@david.n]

One of the best review I've seen about this car so far, thank you! To me this is the perfect and best looking car for about 30k considering all the extra taxes here in Italy.. Want one so bad!

[@supercruiser4925]

I subscribed to this channel immediately because the hosts doesn't stick their face into the camera and it's professionally filmed outside and in.

[@saviordream]

I'm kind of torn now. I much prefer the looks of the GR86, but I think I'd like the way the BRZ drives a little better. Not sure which directions I'd go at this point.

[@CroutonsRawk]

Bumper swap 👍

[@johneldepresso]

Drive both for yourself and see what fits your driving style

[@Kyle-kc8cw]

@@CroutonsRawk Warranty. :(

[@K03sport]

...if you have no badge bias, buy the best car for you; what car will you be the most happy with. Looks, color, interior; plus go for the top trim to leave nothing off the table. For me, I'd go Subaru [reason is purely based on dealer experience(s) and not looks, color or interior]

[@gwot]

@@Kyle-kc8cw you're not losing out on any warranty on a bumper swap. Other than trying to claim for defective bumper paint.

[@thomasbuetow8786]

I'll take the BRZ in dark blue with of course the 6 speed manual. Will be ordering one soon. Gotta love affordable sports cars!

[@KineticR]

Did u buy one & how is it?

[@carlmanu]

I guess Subaru took their slogan "Confidence in Motion" to the core when tuning the BRZ.

[@gagd7351]

Bummed we only have the gr86 in europe. I love both cars but would have loved to have the choice!

[@garthdarville5145]

I’m ok with no turbo to keep a well proven formula. But the explanation from the planning manager for not using a turbo is kinda ridiculous. They could have used a single scroll and relocated it instead of having to redesign the whole car.

[@lamboix]

no.

[@seantierney2184]

Yes

[@danielhandika8767]

No, the price will go up

[@seantierney2184]

@@danielhandika8767 yes

[@idokwatcher2062]

What was the first thing HKS did with their car? Engineer a supercharger kit. What's their excuse?

[@4kallday]

Love how you narrowed down the differences between the two! Off to drive my BRZ 😁

[@CruiseControl1]

I love this car, I can't wait to drive one.

[@el_blaxicano2]

can't wait to be able and afford one in 10 years (:

[@THE-xp3hp]

I be right there with you

[@AllEyesOnUs]

Probably will be tough to get then with the coming emission laws : (

[@figaro410]

Why can’t they put that TPMS switch in all the cars for those of us that run winter tires on different rims? Great review!!

[@ALMX5DP]

Not sure about all the different brands, but our Focus ST automatically switches when it recognizes the other set has been put on. No button or switch needed.

[@CanadianMax]

@@ALMX5DP exactly, that switch is the cheap work around... Newer and more modern systems use auto relearn sensors.

[@zoid450]

@@CanadianMax but switches are fun

[@CanadianMax]

@@zoid450 lol

[@gwot]

My mom's Lexus auto detects, just drive a few seconds and it'll learn it. I don't know why they still need a button.

[@fearlessknight1343]

Just pre-ordered my 2023 BRZ Premium in sapphire blue! Expected delivery in November! Excited! Was a fan of the 1st gen but never owned.

[@boards80]

Google - 1.20 min and there is already an ad. FFS, I get that youtube needs money but it's worse than live tv at this rate. At least google should figure out how to make the ads not cut into the middle of a sentence. As always a great review of a fantastic affordable and fun sports car. Definitely one of my go-to car review channels

[@Kiss__Kiss]

That intro never gets old, Ryan. Not sure why anyone would go for an automatic? Sure the safety amenities are great and all(Health issues/injuries notwithstanding of course). Thanks again for another great video, Ryan. The information and Production quality, is what keeps us, your viewers, coming back.

[@Andrew-zs5tc]

I agree 100% about the preference for a manual. Especially where the automatic is not faster. That said, I will likely be buying a BRZ and will need to decide if it will get a manual and use the BRZ as a second car or an automatic and use the BRZ as my daily drive with my daily stop and go highway/inner city commute. I know people that drive a manual with a city commute. I know a 75+ guy with a WRX STI that has the same commute I have. I just am not one of them.

[@IIIDemon]

i used to be a hardcore manual driver. my BRZ has converted me. there are enough controls, and the transmission is responsive enough, that it feels ok as far as control. the automatic actually gets better MPG, and i've got a bad elbow so its real nice to not have to touch the stick at all sometimes. no hate for either preference, but thats why i'm enjoying my auto.

[@Kiss__Kiss]

@@IIIDemon Playing off of your name, I assume you are no longer a speed demon? lol And that's fine and dandy, which is why I also mentioned people with health or injuries, notwithstanding. With that being said, glad Subaru put in an automatic instead of a CVT. Which is why(due to health issues) Most of the time I drive my automatic vehicle. If/when the occasion arises and I would like to, or need to drive a manual, I grab the other vehicle in our garage.

[@DNKwest74]

I will love my automatic brz dont play with me 🤣 I commute in traffic tho & dont really like manual anyway ✅✅

[@DavGreg]

A DSG is better than any stick and a manual is better than any CVT. But a stick is a soon to be extinct item - like a hand crank starter.

[@slider7631]

If the GR is more tailhappy wouldn't it mean it's stiffer in the rear and thus faster. Anyone else also notice the difference in the front where the BRZ has a rollbar where the GR has crossbars. Can anyone with knowledge and not being biased amongst the two brands explain these differences, which car is stiffer, lighter and thus slightly better?

[@TheAstronomer100]

Not an expert, but from what I heard, the geometry is exactly the same between the two. My understanding is the 86 is driftier and the BRZ is grippier. Neither is inherently better than the other, and both can be fitted with drifty or grippy wheels. If you care about lap times, they would probably be very similar.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Looks like a fun car. I hope to try one out soon. Hopefully the dealers get some soon.

[@davisflyer]

I think I read somewhere that the manual take rate for the BRZ was around 85%. That's awesome! Glad they got a better engine and interior. Exterior looks better too. For the price, this looks like a great little sports car. I am surprised by how poor the gas mileage is though. Ouch!

[@mxmx_lxrd3947]

its naturally aspirated sadly so the mileage is expected to be low

[@thaydathroeun8678]

Subaru has a high manual take rate for wrx too I believe even better!

[@anitahammonds5762]

I've been wavering back and forth between the brz and 86. I think I've made my decision. Now to choose the color of my new brz lol....decisions 🤔. Thank for a great video. You actually help me choose between these two. AWD might come in handy if it snows this winter. Ice storm last winter but no snow. Thanks from a P.N.W. gal 👍

[@savethemanual5960]

COG is gonna be my new go to term… “Yo how is ur COG? Cause mine is lowww”

[@bobarmstrong2122]

Yeah, funny, I guess the Aircraft industry was wrong all these years calling it "CG"

[@lukewalker1051]

@@bobarmstrong2122 No, the product guy was an idiot. A front man.

[@valentinedpg]

@@lukewalker1051 yea like wtf...

[@mikefields2243]

This is a hard top Miata with much more room. I love it.

[@needmetal3221]

I still own my frs. People make fun of these cars yet I get compliments on mine all the time. My mods make my car equal in power to the new gen. These "slow cars" get a lot of views on KZbin as well

[@ClearWater7.62]

Just do a k swap

[@RylisPro]

That TPMS feature on the BRZ is pretty cool! I wonder if it is on the GR86 as well? That is super handy on the track!

[@JetNix]

It should be. My 2014 Aygo had that button xD

[@1Solace]

Yes it does, it's the same car

[@regularlyirregular8876]

Love that boxer rumble coming through the audio!

[@DaBrute]

To each his own. I rather my speakers play music and not augmented exhaust sounds

[@malcolmdbz]

I ordered a 2022, but not gunna lie i really wanna keep my 2017 limited aswell 😆😆 someone tell my insurance company to give me a two coupe deal

[@Revmatchmedia]

Those rear seats are what we call "for insurance purposes" lol.

[@MrBryant240sx]

A sane person might think the ability to carry half as many humans would lower your insurance liability.

[@Revmatchmedia]

@@MrBryant240sx right? Apparently insurance sees the sports car aspect as a bigger liability

[@slimjim77M]

Actually, insurance on the last generation was pretty expensive due to how many of them are involved in accidents.

[@simonwoo5450]

It looks great, but like the old rear lights better.

[@aaronhaskins1571]

yo dawg, I heard you like low COG. so we lowered the engine to lower the cowl, the lower the cowl the lower the seat, the lower the seat the lower you sit, the lower you sit the lower the roof. mad low COG dawg

[@idokwatcher2062]

Yo dawg, we heard you like Supra 2L 255bhp and WRX 268bhp so we pretended we can't put a more powerful engine in the BRZ so it wouldn't drag you away from buying those cars.

[@jayfoghino5392]

@@idokwatcher2062 Drive on a road course and you'll realize they don't need more power. They are so well balanced and light and very fast in the corners. You saw this guy hitting about 70mph at cornering. Try that in a 5,000lb 500hp sedan.

[@idokwatcher2062]

@@jayfoghino5392 From factory it should've matched Cayman 2.7L power at least. That would've made it an absolute legendary car, one of the best middle class/blue collar sports cars of all time. With the combustion engine going away this was it the final chance, that's why I'm gutted about it because there won't be another.

[@DavidAudioR]

@@idokwatcher2062 both the supra and WRX handle worse than the GR86, I wonder why :^)

[@Bad_Rattle]

My only gripe about the BRZ is that Subaru left that molding in flat spot for the front bumper. I was actually considering this car but the bumper bothers me so much😭…SUBARU PLEASE!

[@drivingsports]

Two words: Rocket Bunny.

[@Levinathanielmusic]

Their explanation for no turbo makes them sound lazy. If aftermarket kits fit without all those changes he spoke about

[@BloodwolvMC]

agreed, stupidest thing ive ever heard.

[@Ready2Rise]

He should've just said "Price" for his explanation.

[@heh2k]

@@Ready2Rise He should've said throttle response.

[@isaiasizquierdo3369]

Thank you. I am old now. If I were a little kid, I would say: "I want to be like Ryan. I want to work driving and testing cars and have a mountain"

[@Deetroiter]

The video editing and quality keeps getting better and better! Did you notice any rev hanging at all while shifting gears?

[@drivingsports]

Didn’t really notice it.

[@64Alvis]

I just sold my 2019 BRZ for not much less than I paid for it new despite 2 years and the new model in the press - all because of this crazy used car market. I plan to sit on the cash till I can get the new one without any dealer mark ups etc in what I hope will be a cooler market. So glad the new one doesn't have a turbo! Put a turbo in this car and it would steal sales from the auto only 4 cyl Supra so partner Toyota would nix it. It would also upset partner BMW.

[@magicstik2728]

What was the purchase and sell prices?

[@victorherrero4790]

My dream car. Perfect little real sport car.

[@ArnoldTriyudho]

Imagine if BRZ has Wilderness version..

[@gagd7351]

ultimate desert / snow racing car! man i'd buy 3 of those

[@bikebudha01]

shut your mouth before subaru hears you....

[@P51]

it's all you

[@damonreece]

There are definitely rally-spec BRZs floating around, sounds like they can really hold their own!

[@CB-sr5jp]

ew nooo way

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

Why didn’t they add a turbo? Not because it would raise the center of gravity, but that it would add cost, because then you would also need to beef up the brakes, drive train etc to pass regs and provide warranty. How do we know this, because people have been adding turbos and super chargers for years and it doesn’t change the CoG. Doing it aftermarket doesn’t have the same requirements cause any problems/damage is on you.

[@chriswoodsofficial]

I am choosing between the BRZ and GR 86 for my first car, I am super split down the middle... does anyone have any advice or definitive opinions on either that could help me in my decision? MUCH LOVE!

[@slider7631]

Same over here, not sure what those rear suspension differences mean. In the video they state that the GR is tail happy and the BRZ feels less but with more feedback that feels that it can go faster. Wouldn't a stiffer rear mean faster and thus also more tail happy? Someone please help out.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Whichever one you like better, you don’t have enough experience to even feel/find the difference/limit with them.

[@richardhoulton4016]

Great review. My order has been placed.

[@ak2112]

I'm going with the Toyota.

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

Crack the passenger window a tiny big will get rid of the wind buffeting when the drivers side window is all the way down.

[@gwot]

there are no half way windows at tracks, it's either all the way up or all the way down. Since they mandate windows down on this track, it's all the way down.

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

@@gwot didn’t know that, however if the buffeting bothers you, drives me nuts, then at least you can put the passenger window down to get rid of it. Granted if you’re asking a video this would likely make all audio recording unusable.

[@KineticR]

Very nice, comprehensive review dude. Well, i'm getting old. I was able to drive the '65, 2008 & other year Mustangs at high speed, although I never owned 1, but not so good, strong at it now. I have a small pile of M$ now & I need to be careful not to run out of it as i'm retired, but i'm zeroing in on this BRZ with 6 speed manual as my last chance hoorah with a sports car. Your thoughts?

[@rajeshmb6745]

Nice car! Beautiful sounding engine, intake howl is something. Eargasmic.

[@koejoe]

The new 2022 wrx killer, God I wish the Yaris GR was available in Canada.

[@fretstain]

yea, that's a huge bummer. I'm curious what they come up with for the GR Corolla once that comes out (assuming it actually does)

[@TheMostSmokeCrew]

Everyone wants the FRS/BRZ/Toyota 86/GR86 to be the Toyota 2 liter turbo Supra.

[@danielmahoney5391]

Great assessment and detailed information. Thank you.

[@BigCool95]

They need to put the 3.6 in the brz. 256hp and that wonderfully smooth six cylinder

[@marvinmurakami8828]

The heavier engine may upset the balance. I do prefer naturally aspirated engines though. Perhaps a few years later they could massage the engine to put out 250 hp.

[@DavidAudioR]

@@marvinmurakami8828 You can get it to 250hp with intake, exhaust and a tune I am pretty sure, maybe some other smaller mods.

[@evelynmcdowell9557]

I can install a turbo without raising the roof idk what they’re on

[@impreza0109]

No need.

[@Drewstir68]

Fr. But it’s probably for the better, instead of paying more for a weak turbo you can save some and put in your own, if you want.

[@mugensamurai]

Why no turbo? Because the Supra and WRX exist.

[@Ded9822]

This is more a reason answer than they he gave about Center or Gravity BS

[@elvispink4792]

Great Video 📹 as always

[@amilcar5772]

Thank you for this review. What do you think about the comfort of this car for long travels?

[@hubertkolka3107]

Elite review, much appreciated.

[@Tonga2]

They could add a Supercharger that fits right on the intake manifold or should I have said, a supercharger replaces the intake manifold. A modest 5 lb of boost would add torque immediately!!

[@jamiegarth3146]

Torque…. and price, and weight and lower reliability, no

[@driftracerr34]

@@jamiegarth3146 But at least you won’t get gapped by Accord Sports and stock 350Z’s anymore

[@jamiegarth3146]

@@driftracerr34 Who cares if an accord 2.0 T could beat me in a drag race, nobody buys a BRZ for strait line speed they get it for fun in corners and way more fun at lower speeds than almost every car. If you drive a BRZ or Miata the way it should be driven you’ll understand

[@driftracerr34]

@@jamiegarth3146 Hard to do that in the city where I live.

[@jamiegarth3146]

@@driftracerr34 if you live in the city then this car isn’t for you, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it so anyone who lives near fun roads can take advantage of the car. Do you have a GTI in automatic or something similar?

[@rodbrown8306]

Nice review.

[@GP-fc7jv]

Two words super changer

[@802Garage]

Awesome to know the BRZ gets the body mounted sway bar and more aluminum suspension components. Seems like the better actual track car and you get a little more for the extra cost. They still managed to keep it well under $30K which is great. Dear car Jesus though that fake engine noise needs to die.

[@DLBRT]

it has its own dedicated speaker so you can disconnect it if it really bothers you. I hate it too and it should be an option to just shutting it off without the extra work

[@802Garage]

@@DLBRT Seriously. I do not know a single person who enjoys fake engine noise. It might sell cars to people who know nothing about them, but it's crazy in an enthusiast vehicle.

[@brandonb.5304]

It's like a five minute job to disable it located beneath the side panel of the glove compartment. Yeah, it'd be nice to just have a button on or below the dash, but at least they didn't make it impossible to disable.

[@markir9]

Just noticed this video - very good content I must say! But I am giving the squint eye to the Subaru guy's comment about how they mount the turbo underneath the engine so could not use one on the BRZ. He is being a bit disingenuous - the engine + turbo setup for the WRX is like that sure, but HKS (and others) manage to fit a turbo in without raising the engine or altering the bonnet lines. I'm running a 2012 BRZ with an HKS supercharger mounted on top of the motor. Ok a **slight** raise of the COG but the handling is still amazing and the modest (stage 1 kit) performance change totally fixes the 2 L motor power and torque issues. I can't help thinking the real reason for no turbo in the BRZ is a desire to **not** cannibalize WRX sales.

[@K03sport]

Thanks Ryan. Subaru really needs to revamp their colors with this car. Toyota has some great colors; Subaru not so much. A nice vibrant yellow, green or orange. Also maybe a non-metallic/fat gray. Despite looks and limited good color choices, I'd still rather park the Subaru in my driveway. Pure red or WRBlue for me thanks.

[@gwot]

Subaru has "special" colours for their limited editions. I remember they had a yellow, and baby blue.

[@mrporsche4236]

What you should say is thank god there is no turbo here not the other way around.

[@EdLo.]

Great review

[@patrickbateman7122]

My stock 19 BRZ is way less fun than my 13 GT86 imo. The brzz understeers like a pig lol. We're only getting the GR in the uk..

[@offbeatfusion]

driving sports tv: uploads me : yeets all in hand and gets watching

[@mikem9049]

Really nice review. I'm curious what you think about the NVH. I'm. I'm comparing this against a GTI as a daily driver and noise and comfort matter. Thanks

[@bmoore8853]

I love your content, been a die-hard fan since the Subisport Magazine, keep it up!

[@LordBass]

A nod to New England could have been to search for the nearest Dunkin Donuts. :) Nice car, I look forward to trying one.

[@drivingsports]

Good call on the DD. Next time!

[@grouchyblackman]

Did Mr. Redic make his blazer out of the couch.... He blends so well.

[@DavGreg]

Very nice review - well done. As a Subaru owner, not having EyeSight is a plus- it is a bag of hurt. The interior (Dash) looks Toyota-ish, meaning a lot of cheap looking plastic.

[@t.k.morris]

Any comments on head gasket issues of the previous generations to worry about? Any worries about the silicone droppings in the oil pan?

[@matthewjohnson1211]

Subaru, please take that engine, the dual exhaust, the manual trans.and transplant it into the Crosstrek!

[@dmurphy1578]

I have a 2021 crosstreck sport. I’d trade it in in a second.

[@ericpizarro3084]

That’s a great idea! I love mine too but, those added ponies would make a big difference!

[@ADVRider78]

I hope the aftermarket is working on turbos and superchargers already

[@PocketDrummer]

3:00 - considering there are aftermarket turbo kits that work just fine without moving the engine, hood, seats, or roof up, I think this is just one big cop out. Granted, the car is good with it's NA engine, but Subaru definitely have the resources and packaging ability to make it happen without ruining the car.

[@JupiterxBlues]

It would effect weight distibution and effecting the playful handling with a less linear power curve. It also ruins the classic NA feel that many enthusients love and is a dying breed of sports car format. Plus, the cost would put it in the range and power as the supra.... so why would you get a GR86 for $40k+ when you can get a supra, an overall nicer car with nicer interior, nicer sound system, nicer radio/screen/UI more premium looks and feel. The GR86 with a turbo would feel like your getting ripped off for the money. All that R&D just for people to end up buying the supra. Im pretty sure that was the real reason. However, I think that a higher performance model should exist still as a limited option in the form of a 2.7L H4. It could be just a modified version of the current engine. This would keep cost, weight and complexity down while having a hotter version available. Plus, because its an OEM option, it would enable the aftermarket to swap this engine into the 2.4L cars in the future as a CARB legal swap.

[@Gnomig01]

toyota guy: we couldnt fit a turbo without moving the CoG. brz/86 community: supercharger go brrrrr!

[@Whereismyname34]

What is the difference in transmission tuning between the 2 cars?

[@SoulEraser000]

If I could ever afford to buy a new car, it’d probably be this one

[@xchris46324x]

I'm a subaru fan boy but the ducktail on the gr86 looks alot better. Tough decision

[@berict]

I hope Honda gets the hint and brings back the Prelude for a 6th gen revival.

[@banymany7444]

It be nice if they added a sunroof option...

[@PaliRyder101]

Dam I just bought the 2020 brz a year ago now I want this

[@NPC-gd3rk]

Trade it in

[@Lejitz]

"Adult doesn't mean 6'2 feet. Most people will fit back there

[@JohnLee-hb9ix]

Very nice review. First one I’ve seen with some comparisons between the BRZ and GR86. How does it compare to a used Cayman?

[@64Alvis]

Your wallet gets to sleep peacefully at night.

[@jayfoghino5392]

Well I just changed the water pump and thermostat on my 987.2 and let me tell you...I would rather drive a Cayman but would rather wrench on a BRZ. And now with the 2.4 I am looking again at the BRZ. Funny this is...a Subaru never needs wrenching. I come from WRx and Sti.

[@jimbochoo3316]

I am gonna wait for the special editions with brembo brakes. That is usually the 3rd or 4th year.