2022 Subaru BRZ | Something For Everyone

[@shammyh]

When you guys disagree, we, the viewers, get a much more nuanced and interesting understanding of the topic at hand. Love it. Too many reviewers feel they need to present a "single cohesive opinion"...

[@KJ-iq7fm]

Jack disliked the transmission about as much as an Arby's roast beef sandwich. 😂

[@foadrightnow5725]

zksHPuPngGs61kNJ - Well said and much agreed!

[@revvolutions]

Too many reviewers act like everything is awesome because they don't want to hurt their relationship with OEM's, I don't blame them but I could just as easily read the brochure and get the same value from it. So thank you Goose.

[@mrjingpk4988]

It's much more entertaining too. But only do this when your opinions truly differ

[@daem3n]

Word!

[@Vpaid]

Countdown until Mark and Jack get pulled over for having a domestic dispute while getting sideways in a rwd coupe at 90 MPH.

[@markymarc136]

Yep, cause most times, Mark can't handle Jack when he goes full silverback gorilla on him!

[@abandonedhope2606]

Please dont jynx this XD

[@2004cyrus]

@@markymarc136 lmao

[@NurseNicholas]

I feel like this is the only channel that knows how to review cars. Every car is reviewed for what it is and for the purpose it was designed to serve; I really appreciate that. Other reviewers would complain it isn’t “luxurious enough” or doesn’t have a panoramic sunroof 🙄

[@kotarojujo2737]

*cough *cough *redline reviews *cough

[@wking8]

Or do the sun visor test...🙄

[@johndorling2118]

TBF, a panoramic sunroof would be nice.

[@alphaares6027]

I know right!!!

[@ydidishitmyself353]

@@johndorling2118 not for this car, its a cheap, fun sports car, not a porsche or a luxurious cruiser and its bad for the center of grafity too

[@Denverian]

I was so complaining about $30k sticker price when it first came out in 2013. 7 years fast forward now it is the most affordable rear sports car which survived the sports car genocide. Kudos to Subaru/Toyota and the community

[@riverwalker2173]

The working man's Porsche 😊

[@ADUSN]

Miata??

[@Denverian]

@@ADUSN lol that's not a car, that's a go cart

[@ADUSN]

@@Denverian Mature response

[@yanboa]

"Just because it's not in California doesn't mean it's not true" -- LOVE IT. :D

[@OnTheRocks71]

You know, I'm not gonna rag on the automatic. I'm not going to diminish anyone that gets one of these in an automatic. In the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's we were awash with small-to-smallish 2 door cars that could be had with a manual or automatic. I had 4 cylinder Mazda MX-6 with an automatic/I had a 6 cylinder Ford Probe with a 5 speed stick. Same car basically, but with wildly different personalities and driver experience. There were manual/automatic Mitsubishis, Honda Preludes, Mercury Cougars, Ford Thunderbirds, Toyota Celicas....Hyundai Scoupe's? Saturn SC's? I don't know whatever. Point being; All of that is gone now in the 2 door form. You can get a Mustang or Challenger or Camaro today that'll barely fit in a garage with their size. Or you can get one of the few remaining FWD hot hatches, which are objectively Not Coupes. But something like this and the GR... I'm glad they offer it in a MT/AT form. I'm glad it's still compact compared to todays cars. I'm glad it sends the power to the rear wheels. Fuck it. Buy an automatic if you daily in gridlock traffic and have to navigate horrendous parking structures. You can let your mom with the knee replacement surgery use it in a pinch if she needs to. Buy a manual if that's your thing and it enhances your driving fun so much. Who cares? Buy it regardless because there's so little out there in the small 2 door car segment. Soon there will be none. And we'll miss the days when we even had the chance to buy an automatic BRZ/GR86.

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

Me suffering in my 18 brz from 9 hour drives.

[@cosmic_gate476]

The Z and Supra are obvious alternatives to American coupes

[@mrafayaleem]

I loved the jolly aspect of this episode, the disagreements and the laughters. You guys are great! Keep these videos coming!

[@nickc173]

I've been waiting on a review of the auto brz/86 so thank you. As a part of the 1%(presumably) of sports car fans who legit cant operate a clutch due to disability this is pretty important to me. Hopefully I can afford one used before ICE's get banned lol

[@BrendanEvan]

Pretty awesome that there’s not much drivetrain loss!

[@dwade3202]

ICE wont get banned, we are 8 billion fuckin people. Why would some politicians who are getting paid by billionaire polluting corporations decide wtf we do

[@LOLHICRONO]

@@dwade3202 because they already do?

[@3ducs]

There is nothing to "lol" about the prospect of internal combustion engines being banned.

[@LOLHICRONO]

@@3ducs do you not know that "lol" isnt only used when laughing?

[@Deamon93IT]

The transmission part of the video was hilarious, as a Euro guy who considers automatics in cars like this as heresy. Then again this automatic doesn't look that bad and overall the BRZ looked like a solid daily driver

[@mcbrian]

To me it's hilarious that they made it look like a stick. They know who they're trying to sell this to

[@dwade3202]

Im 29 and never driven an automatic in my life, from a euro country too. Idk wtf would need to happen to buy this in an automatic

[@iheartgs400]

@@dwade3202 well some folks just dgaf about the transmission just want a cheap enjoyable car to drive. Don’t get me wrong I still want ppl to learn manual but we all gotta be thankful this damn platform is still alive.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

@@dwade3202 To buy it? Well you would need to hate cars and driving. You would also need to lose your mind.

[@O8Zen]

@@iHaveTheDocuments who here has driven an auto and a manual 86? I've owned both and both make sense depending on the usage. No one cares about what looks cool on the internet, it's all about the real world use cases.

[@Affalterbach1967]

Symmetrical RWD sticker coming in midyear refresh. Mr Goose sounds so happy in this video, therefore this is a good car.

[@Leugwr19]

Hahaha yes! Goose does get a bit pissy when the car is not upto his standards.

[@Buxtonphil]

hes even happier in the g86 and VW GTI

[@letsgobrandon416]

Transmission jokes aside, remember what he said, 70% of sales are automatics for the 86/BRZ. Let that sink in. Stop complaining about the automatic, unless you yourself have purchased a brand new manual transmission version. If you haven't done that, your opinion literally means nothing to Toyota/Subaru because you aren't going to buy the car anyway. Buying used doesn't count. The manufacturers only get paid when you buy new, and it's new car buying trends that they must cater to in order to sell cars.

[@iheartgs400]

I love my manual cars but will not deny the fact that having it as an option likely kept the platform going especially on the 86 side over 2/3 were solid automatic.

[@michaelwakim2198]

I thought he said 70% of sales were manual

[@iheartgs400]

@@michaelwakim2198 for the BRZ yes, not for the FRS/86

[@Tiny_Speck]

Yeah, Subaru themselves said the brz tended to have a higher manual take rate than the 86 by a wide margin. I'm thinking they got those numbers from Toyota.

[@jonboy602]

@@Tiny_Speck Interesting. Wonder if it's because the demographics for the BRZ was older and were more used to driving stick.

[@maxcactus7]

"SEND DEATH THREATS TO JACK DIRECTLY" I was laughing so hard I bit my tongue! Great stuff, gentlemen.

[@RRSmurf]

How the hell do you laugh 🤣

[@EvilCerealBoX]

"... you may be entitled to compensation."

[@Tony16610]

Thanks for doing this video. As someone with a knee injury and pushing a clutch down or holding it at the engagement point actually causes pain after a few times- it's great to see automatics being included in 'fun' cars like this. I miss my old MT Skyline and haven't really looked at affordable 'sporty' cars due to their exclusivity with manuals but this BRZ/GR86 is the first time I feel I won't be losing too much on the experience.

[@Hosz688]

Bummer that happened to you. Have you tried a different car? I get leg pain sometimes too, but only in cars with upright seating positions like a sedan or truck. But I'm fine if I sit low in a sports car and get to push the clutch on a straighter angle.

[@DJPleasureSeekingMissle]

The Miata can be had with an automatic. It’s actually a pretty decent unit.

[@ka-me4fy]

Trust me on this, when you guys don't agree on something, it is even more fun to watch.

[@Syncopia]

This is the spice of a good video. Any video.

[@newchannel1220]

FACT hyundai trans DCT is total crap after 4 years.

[@tim3172]

@@newchannel1220 Thank goodness they have a 10-year warranty, then.

[@newchannel1220]

@@tim3172 if they actually honor the warranty why they are getting sued???? Hyundai Class Action Says DCT Transmissions Are Defective Hyundai class action lawsuitA Nevada couple is suing Hyundai over an alleged transmission defect that causes the accelerator to become unresponsive in certain vehicles leading to spontaneously stalling. Plaintiffs Nicholas and Shawna Wylie filed the complaint Tuesday seeking to represent a group of consumers who purchased or leased any Hyundai Veloster, Sonata or Elantra vehicle equipped with a 7-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT).

[@braetonwilson4296]

@@tim3172 many times, the hyundai dealership won't honor the warranty, it's useless.

[@wtDrake]

Appreciate Mark trying to defend the automatic lol

[@googleleavemynamealone9145]

I really am glad to hear what he thought of the Miata Auto too. I am getting one to take my parents to track days. They love my car stuff and I think an Auto is a sacrifice worth having for RWD

[@wtDrake]

I'm pretty sure anyone buying these in auto knows they're better with 3 pedals, but it's about personal preference at the end of the day, and if they're happy with the auto then let it be. Who cares what someone else does with their money.

[@bush4721]

​@@googleleavemynamealone9145 The 6AT really kills the fun when I test drove the ND2 miata. It always tries to upshift and save fuel. I then drove the 6MT ND2 RF to compare the difference. It felt significantly more lively and fast.

[@googleleavemynamealone9145]

@@bush4721 Yeah but my parents aren't going to know any of that. Even the screen in the Miata is going to super impress them LOL All our cars are luckily from the golden era, LS460 sport, Forester XT, TL Type-s ect. So really anything new is going to be great and a Miata, well you just aren't sure how much longer that kind of car is going to exist, and it's so easy for them. Worth it, plus at SCCA it's easy for anyone to hop in for scouting parade laps etc

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

A rare spectacle

[@thefootballdummy]

That arguing made me feel that brosexual tension.

[@DB-sd3cw]

Chill with the intersectional imperialism

[@infidel900rr]

Just because you've got gay thoughts on your mind, doesn't mean they do.

[@misterchuck6866]

@@DB-sd3cw underrated commentary

[@therealist4186]

@@infidel900rr He is certainly projecting his own sick thoughts.

[@Krushe]

I recently bought a 2022 Veloster N ending my monumental journey trying to find one without a 3-7k markup. Good luck to all you BRZ/86 buyers, have patience and don't give up.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

That markup is not bad at all comparing when I try to get a challenger but dealership still rackingn up the markup at 15k more

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@Carlos.Rivera Yea, their definitely not worried about not being able to sell them. All of the R/Ts are going low-mid 40s and Scats are going for over $50K. Meanwhile one of the local Ford dealers has plenty of discounted Mustangs. Almost went to get a loaded up Ecoboost with the 10-speed for $38K instead of ordering a BRZ.

[@HandsomeAlex25]

As ever, the most insightful reviews available. The disagreement over the automatic really demonstrated the pros and cons of that transmission. I'm glad it's an option, because it broadens the buying base. But I will drive manuals as long as I am able.

[@802Garage]

Loved the transmission argument. Jack was so passionate. I thought the take rate for the manual in the BRZ was still well north of 50% though? Overall, still seems like a great package.

[@Hosz688]

I thought the same and just did a quick google. Manual take rate for BRZ is 78%. Manual take rate for 86 is 33%. Weird, I know.

[@802Garage]

@@Hosz688 That's what I thought. Wonder if the most recent stats are different, but it makes sense to me. Subaru buyers are stick shift lovers.

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@802Garage Yea, Toyota is very big and mainstream. Makes sense they would have more Auto buyers and the 86 sold twice as much. Subaru is more of a niche and enthusiast focused brand just like Mazda. Though their starting to push that CVT too much.

[@kc510]

I can’t believe anyone would buy either of these with an auto.

[@802Garage]

@@kc510 Much same.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Still number one on my list if I can secure more gainful employment. More inclined to buy the Toyota for sentimental reasons, but I'd be happy with either in manual. Hopefully that turn signal issue gets fixed.

[@wayward03]

A white one with black accents? Or an orange one?

[@Buxtonphil]

labor should be cheaper than Subaru

[@12ealDealOfficial]

@@wayward03 No time for a grey, black, or white one. Gotta be the orange.

[@felixnurscher6017]

would always get the toyota over the subaru too. i think it just looks a bit better, same thing as last gen

[@erwark]

@@felixnurscher6017 It's funny how subjective it is. Last gen I thought the BRZ looked so much better, but this time I sliightly prefer the 86.

[@andrewcarbone6192]

every car should come with a "Zero Bullshit" interior option

[@macbally2026]

Getting some Siskel & Ebert vibes for the in-car driving segment. Not sure if you're going for that, but seriously well done if you are - really enjoyed the back and forth, the passion displayed!

[@2004cyrus]

What’s a siskel & ebert?

[@macbally2026]

@@2004cyrus a famous pair of movie critics that were active for many decades. You can find plenty of their videos on KZbin

[@xuimod]

@@2004cyrus your millennial is showing bro.

[@2004cyrus]

@@xuimod oh I was joking hahah- I know one was chubby with glasses and one was tall and thin and balding and they were a duo from the 80’s & 90’s. I don’t live under a rock lmao. I am from Germany tho.

[@needmetal3221]

Frs manual owner here. I really have to consider the auto this time. The new car is powerful enough to handle it and the manual driving experience includes tob failure for no extra cost.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I thought the BRZ was the version to have of the original version. I still think it is. When these finally arrive in dealers I will gladly go and take a look at one. Thank you gentlemen.

[@EG-zo3ig]

Jack, DO NOT give anyone a hard time for buying this car, automatic or not. I would get a manual but these buyers could be getting a SUV/CUV instead. Give them some credit for keeping a car like this alive regardless of transmission. .

[@Sayua-chan]

Manual or automatic, let's get it anyway before streets are fully infested with electric SUVs. #savethesportscars

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

I have a 2018 brz and I'm torn between keeping it and getting a 400z to add to my addiction or selling it and getting a new BRZ/86 depending on future changes they make to their tuning

[@joeaustin6856]

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 From now, I think you may could consider to save your money to buy supercharged kit for your2018 brz.😎

[@Snicker60515]

that's why I'm considering signing up for 84 months of payments so I don't miss out on it before we're all forced to buy cars that have to be charged for hours and hours while one has to figure out how to pass the time while the batteries are being charged...

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

@@Snicker60515 aye don't go outside your means. This car will be around for a few years

[@Snicker60515]

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 you have an excellent point. I almost certainly won't buy one, but the idea is nice...

[@randomtroglodyte7272]

The most underrated thing on this car is the port injection that comes from the factory. Coming from an Audi A3 Quattro owner, port injection is probably one of the best mods for a car. I was on the edge of buying one or not, but after seeing the car come with port injection, im definitely buying it

[@slasheerr946]

What does that do? It sounds interesting but I have no clue how it impacts or makes this better in any way?

[@vlj1133]

Absolutely. No CVT, no turbo, and no direct injection-only means this car should ultimately prove more long-term reliable than any of the new turbo-DI offerings from Honda, Hyundai, VW, or anybody else. I really wish Toyota would allow Subaru to use their D-4S system on all Subarus, not just the BRZ.

[@randomtroglodyte7272]

@@vlj1133 honestly, the brz platform is something I really wish Subaru would dedicate more time to. There's definitely a lot more room for improvement on the car while still staying within the same price range.

[@vlj1133]

Realistically, the only things Subaru could add to this new BRZ while still keeping it at a similar pricepoint would be better brakes/suspension, twenty more hp from this NA engine, the GR86's higher duckbill rear spoiler, and an updated infotainment system with sharper screen resolution. In a nutshell, everything the BRZ will receive next year, or in the first refresh, minus the twenty additional hp. We won't be seeing more stock ponies anytime soon. There will definitely be a Brembo/Bilstein-style Performance Package option in the near future.

[@Jez4prez1]

the car has both port and direct injection, that is what the 4-DS is. The 4D-S injection is something Toyota forced into this platform, Subaru didn't want it, because they wanted to use their own system. I read for some reason in early negotiations, Toyota made it basically mandatory for the project to go ahead, and it's literally one of the only mechanical components they do (along with the gearbox) while Subaru basically does everything else. All prior subaru engines were port only, but subaru has developed their own direct injection too. It's only FA20 and FA24 in BRZ/GR86 that has both the port and direct injection from 4-DS, while other new subarus, like new outback and new forester have subaru direct injection now. I don't know enough about it to be honest, but I heard some tuners complain that the direct injection makes it harder to tune, but if they have been experts on EJ's and other engines most of their career, it makes sense they know port inside out. I don't know enough about it to be honest, I read pros and cons etc.

[@robertseely4469]

It is very refreshing to have two affordable sports cars in the US that could be a daily driver. Thank you Subaru/Toyota!

[@Mwhbmnabjms]

I loveee the genuine review instead of ass kissing review. Keep it up man!!! savagelevel100%

[@Brendan-Grant]

I appreciated finally seeing a review of the premium version instead of just the limited everywhere. Thank you!

[@Syncopia]

I didn't understand what the comments were saying about Mark and Jack disagreeing but that was seriously some like... Old school top gear levels of arguing. I loved it, more of that please.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

Thanks for including that near-pullover moment at 4:26. The lower-limit street cars let you have all the fun without going to jail. A Porsche would've been risking jail or a reckless driving citation at that same moment.

[@1bojanbojan]

The only channel on KZbin that actually goes into detail about everything. So helpful. The reason what I bought a 2020 SI

[@AlexSchwartzATV]

Hi, it is me, the car enthusiast with the physical disability I like your comparison to the old sporty 4 bangers where you HAD to have a manual to enjoy them. Thats why i got out of my automatic integra haha

[@wdiv]

"There's nothing else like this anymore". It's sad but true. It's the reason I grabbed a new 2020 86 in the middle of covid. I'd never owned a RWD vehicle in my life and loved the 240s from a distance and was afraid that cars like this won't be made anymore thanks to BEVs and SUVs.

[@Maximum_777]

These reviews are way too funny sometimes, that bit towards the end where Jack just aggressively goes for the door handle while that cars still moving and he's still buckled in is just great.

[@Jay-sn7wu]

perfect timing, coffee just finished

[@JJJ.98]

I have been watching your videos since 2018, this is one of the best ones yet especially since I love the BRZ and 86. I have a tuned Civic Si but I wish I wish-- I could have bought a 1st gen. Now I am glad I waited. Will be buying the GR86 after 2-3 years on the market so they work out the kinks.

[@cy9nvs]

I'll never understand why so many americans feel like dailying a manual is a pain in the ass. (Edit: of course in some regions it is) Sure, if you don't like it, you don't like it. But here in germany most people, even my grandma, drive normal cars with manual transmissions, shifting just becomes second nature and you don't even think about it. Buying an affordable fun sportscar with an automatic seems like such a weird thing to do, it's more expensive, it's (probably) less reliable and more expensive if it breaks, and in this case it's even slower.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Because driving in America is very different than driving in Germany

[@papa_pt]

In Europe, auto is considered a luxury option. In USA, manual is the luxury option.. u only see high take rates on M3s, and GT3s but then America has by far the highest percent of those German cars being sold as manuals

[@andrewable2634]

Have you driven in America? Horrible traffic where I am. A manual is just a pain in the ass in bumper to bumper traffic. I drive a manual but I completely understand why people drive autos here.

[@iheartgs400]

I guess you haven’t visited Los Angeles and Southern CA come here and you’ll see horrid traffic

[@cy9nvs]

@@andrewable2634 Yeah I have, Jessup PA and Kingsport TN, not very different from germany, much bigger roads and smoother traffic than the rural part of germany I live in. I understand if people in big cities rather opt for autos, but in the US it's generally not a thing for most normal cars.

[@dsigman1]

This is now my favorite savagegeese video. Thank you guys for what you do.

[@ColJonSquall1]

I just love how 1 car's transmission gets Jack fired up, and sparks an argument for quite a while, lol.

[@MahendraSingh-rp6er]

thankyou for your no bullshit no coverup talk about transmissions and comparing other cars, literally this is the only channel that gives you the truth for consumers, pls do more of this! Thank you

[@dreamdrivedrift]

Good presentation. "There's nothing else like this anymore". When I bought my 2020 BRZ my wife asked if I was going to test drive it. I did not and asked what's the point, there's nothing I'm cross shopping it with (we both didn't like the styling on the prior gen 86). That said, limit handling matters to me, even for street driving. The prior gen BRZ was one-dimensional in its handling character. I'll be going with the GR86 on the next go around.

[@yanlinzhu2682]

The GR86 arrives later and probably will have more mark-ups versus the subaru. I think one option here is to just get the BRZ first, then swap out the rear spring with 86's spring, that probably won't cost much.

[@yanlinzhu2682]

@@subatomicmolecules styling is subjective, but i personally think the Brz looks more understated and premium.

[@J.R.F.23]

I had to order an Automatic due to a right shoulder surgery. With that in mind I am beyond excited to be getting a 2024 BRZ Limited in Silver with an Automatic Transmission.

[@Bryan_R1]

Jack: Time to get into the final thoughts. Mark: Yes please. GET OUT! LMFAO 🤣

[@darksideemt]

My wife wants a new one. We had a 2015 a couple years ago and she loved it and it is still a car she misses.

[@shakethedrummer2351]

Thanks guys you are the best youtube review channel. I watched so many of your videos. My BRZ has finally arrived. Thank you again

[@JMacGyver1]

Great video guys. It was interesting to hear how quiet this new BRZ was on the road. I remember my ‘03 WRX wagon being like a tin can inside with road and wind noise. I ended up adding a ton of sound mats to the doors and hatch area - then ripped of the stock exhaust and down pipe and went full turbo back so that the only sound I heard was the the great Subaru burble. This BRZ could be an interesting weekend car and let me get back into tinkering with cars again.

[@dammyo6010]

I love the lively banter! Truly fun to listen to.

[@sladeoriginal]

Did no one at Subaru and Toyota notice during design that the taillights look exactly like Honda Civic taillights.

[@nextleveljourney6612]

Accord Coupe Tail lights also

[@gregnote8818]

I enjoyed driving a manual in the past (Honda). But in a congested city driving, it gets tired, rowing a boat all day.

[@jonyb4327]

I keep seeing the same comments.. "why not get a mustang or gti for the same price? Junk car" I can guarantee you neither one will do good in corners considering how heavy they are...

[@andrewable2634]

Gti is not that heavy lol

[@CarsOverPeople]

@@andrewable2634 But it’s Fail-Wheel-Drive eh?

[@andrewable2634]

@@CarsOverPeople idk if you've ever driven a gti around an autocross course but they are amazing

[@CarsOverPeople]

@@andrewable2634 Yeah I’m sure it’s quick and one of the best fwd cars out there but at the end of the day, it’s still fwd 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@smilepermile8165]

@@andrewable2634 Poor weight distribution and poor cross balance and higher centre of gravity than the 86/BRZ/MX-5 don't mean the GTI can get away with it being 'not that much heavier'

[@bunsenn5064]

Those six-speed manuals are crazy bulletproof.

[@emersonmsd]

Best video for a long time guys. Poor Jack🤣

[@hyperchaotix32x]

You know times have changed when a premier of a sports car main point of contention is the transmission. I agree with both of you. Yes manual is the way to go....but today's automatics are NOTHING like a 2001 V6 Mustang. I love you guys.

[@kevincrockett5155]

One of the first convertibles I've driven was a 1990 Mustang V6. Wasn't the firmest feeling car and tempered my wanting a convertible until I drove a Miata.

[@georgehugh3455]

A little disappointed in Mark's dismissal of shortcomings because "no one's going to keep this stock." In addition to this not being true, an acceptable As-Is level at sale seems like a minimum.

[@cyrenecai]

One thing I'd like to see is, instead of a comparison with the Miata like usual, a comparison against the lower trims of the Camaro and Mustang that are in the same price range. For instance, a right now you can spec out a 2022 1LT Camaro with the 335hp V6 and a 6 speed manual for $28,290 before taxes & such; it weighs more, but it also has wider tires, and the Alpha platform is known for its excellent handling. To me it would be a more relevant comparison than dragging S2000's out of the museum...

[@FujiboHeavy]

Love the argument about the transmissions lol. Ive never had an issue driving automatics, because I mainly like cruising, however I do understand why people love manuals so much, because its truly an engaging experience and you are in total control. However, if the car is a sports car, and my main commuter, I just prefer an automatic, regardless of less power/engagement. It really just comes down to personal preference

[@TheLeewi98]

I’m curious on how this will do on track against its competitors. Not only Miatas but the hot hatches in the same price point like the Golf gti, Hyundais N cars and the Type R. What it loses in power it makes up in weight and balance of that FR setup.

[@grahamstefaan]

Oh cmon. Any of those with 50hp more will destroy this.

[@pkennethv]

I know you probably want the opinions of Savagegeese specifically, but I highly recommend checking out Jason Cammisa’a video on Hagarty’s KZbin channel where he compares it to the ND2 and mk8 GTI, if you haven’t already

[@TheLeewi98]

@@grahamstefaan Lap time comes from more than power only. And like the dyno results showed Toyota and Subaru might be downplaying the power figures.

[@TheLeewi98]

@@pkennethv I saw that video its a truly great piece.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

The hot hatch press cars for track tests are mostly equipped with extreme semi slick tires. There probably won't ever be a test with press cars on comparable tires.

[@trevorhsu6357]

Yes, the car is absolutely better as a manual (most are) but the automatic isn't actually trash. Like the Mazda automatics even though they're a little old and only have 6 gears they rev match well, have good shift logic, and respond when you want. The Miata automatic is also pretty good. Neither are revolutionary but they're good for torque converters at this price range. Yes the gti/gli has a better auto but that's also probably the best automatic transmission under 30k bare none. For the price, there really not bad automatics, there above average

[@iheartgs400]

100% logical straight facts here as much as ppl love to trash talk the auto on this I’ve yet to hear issues popping up on this Aisin slushbox.

[@varthdader12]

Someone (who shall not be named) watched this and said, “looks like a cheap Porsche in front, and a really cheap Honda in the back” Don’t exactly disagree....but still think the new twins are both winners.

[@MacNcheeks_]

I’m 24 with no kids & I live alone. I’m getting the GR 86

[@sooperman12]

Been waiting for this!

[@maxguy9623]

Love the channel but it gets exhausting to see car reviewer after car reviewer go on WAY too long about how they hate automatics. People have a preference and like you said in the video some people can’t even drive them because of physical issues, so why go so hard on the fact that you hate them? As long as companies are offering both people can make their own choices without being made to feel like they made a bad choice.

[@idokwatcher2062]

Well they hate lousy automatics. If there was a ZF transmission in this nobody would have a thing bad to say.

[@alexzhou204]

The absence of initial bite on brakes is good for heel and toeing in everyday driving. They should have done this on purpose. Have too much initial bite you won't be able to downshift while braking at a reasonable pace with ease. Similarly, ND Miata's Organ type accelerator pedal feels very nice on its own, but because it sits rather deep, one has to depress the brake pedal a lot in order to perform any decent heel and toe, which is definitely something that disrupts the rhythm of driving when you don't want to brake that hard, which should be most of the time when you are not on a race track.

[@johnm5131]

Love the review. Nice to see total honesty! I have the Miata RF that you mention from time to time. It's a great car, but they got the pedal-arrangment wrong on it, and it is annoying. The Accel-pedal is 1" closer to driver than dead pedal and angled too steep. I hope the BRZ is better in that regard. It seems that only Porsche can get that right, and it is sooo important. I do admit that the RF has a nice stereo and nimble daily feel as you mentioned in the last vid. Just wish the engine ran like the old V-Tecs!

[@wayward03]

Thankfully stereo is fairly easy to fix on most cheap cars

[@johnm5131]

@@wayward03 Agreed. I tried to crack CANBUS on a porsche and it was insane. I miss the 1990 era Hondas. I was an installer back then and loved the ease of popping panels and so on.

[@Buxtonphil]

its a problem even with driving shoes?

[@johnm5131]

@@Buxtonphil "uneven" doesn't get better with thinner shoes. Unless you wear driving shoe on right foot only! LOL! But in a car where one review put it as, "get the proper leg position and your back hurts, get the proper back position and your legs hurt". Meaning that there is not enough actual room to play with (outside of the asian market, where 5'5" is the norm). The criticism here is that it is very easy to set the pedals correctly, as porsche has done for years. Mazda pulled a pedal from a parts bin and here we are. I've already created a bracket to give me approx that 1" of extra space, but mazda should have just made it right from the factory. From the driver's seat, my GT3 feels like a lexus compared to my RF..

[@bobyoung1698]

I've been a fan of Subaru since I drove my first GL. Much of what you're saying here makes sense and, yes, most of the shortcomings will be overlooked by casual drivers and fixed with aftermarket tunes by sports drivers. I think it's a good car, especially for the price point, although I'd likely move up a level for bigger wheels, better tires and, yes, a better transmission.

[@pvtcmyers87]

Commenting for the algorithm. Awesome review as always and love the banter from you guys :)

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Skip to 3:33 Is no one going to mention how jacked Piano Black Jack has gotten? He's a BRICK-HOUSE. That guy's stacked and that's a fact. Ain't holding nothing back. Cause he's a brick house He's mighty-mighty, just lettin' it all hang out

[@mateenjan9253]

you guys are Hands down make the best pair and it shows in your videos, you guys have actually have counter each out well and rag on each others which really make it a lot of fun to watch... Keep up the good work !!!!!

[@nateisright]

Well, it sounds cool and that surprised me! It is great to see that Suba-yota are still making and iterating these.

[@dawnpoint]

So it looks like the 2.4 is still a 100hp/L engine after all. Well done!

[@nephilymbass1]

1st gen didn’t have 100hp/L at the wheels. That was crank HP. In other words the power at the flywheel before it was neutered by the rest of the drivetrain. The dyno here is showing wheel Hp not crank hp. So it’s actually a considerable improvement over the first gen even though I can see that it if you’re comparing the old cars crank hp with the mew cars wheel hp it seems similar

[@theo.k]

2:41 "Alphaville - Big In Japan". Nice attention to detail, well done.

[@arch417powersports]

I was impressed with the automatic back in a MY2013 FR-S. Was still fun to drive.

[@Angry-Lynx]

youre not hard to impress then i gues 😁😂

[@jerrysedars8097]

I’m quite happy with my Miata RF six speed manual. Love it!

[@sohaibyounus]

That's what I love, informative as much as entertaining in the best way possible lol.

[@ARentz07]

As someone who has owned a GTI, a GLI, and an IS 350, the fact that the transmission is reminiscent of the 8-speed in my IS 350 is not a bad thing at all. The DSG is a fun transmission to use when driving hard, except when it isn't. It was usually responsive but sometimes was laggy to respond in both the GTI and the GLI and auto-upshifted at the redline. In the GLI it would upshift before the redline even in manual mode with my foot on the floor. Though the gearing was taller in the GTI, I preferred the way that car shifted to the GLI's 7-speed DSG, which was smoother in some situations but felt a bit sluggish in sporty driving compared with the 6-speed in the GTI. The 8-speed in my current IS 350 is much slower to shift; however, it's much easier to drive the car smoothly in normal driving. I'd be perfectly fine with having it in a car like the BRZ, where most time spent on a back road will be in either 2nd or 3rd gear anyway due to the gearing. Obviously for someone who wants this type of car, the manual trans makes more sense, unless if you simply can't or don't want to drive stick.

[@Lucas-ck1po]

The intro song is *Night Driver* by *Ballpoint* for anyone into this kind of stuff.

[@_Makanko_]

I can understand wanting an automatic on a commute or traffic car. But if you want a sports car that is probably a second car (because it is affordable) get a manual guys... If you want a car that does everything well, this one isn't it and it is compromised. Then you go up in price and the automatic option is usually a much better unit. Thanks for the video guys, enjoyed the back and forth, it's not bad when there is a bit of a difference in opinion form time to time.

[@gobear83]

Great review guys….ordering a spring delivery manual sport tech with the 17” wheels here in Ontario Canada ..going to be a long winter waiting

[@alexandrelegault3400]

They are ready to order ??? I'm in Nova Scotia and my dealer have no clue what's happening

[@bradevans1661]

The BRZ (base) gets the 17s with Primacy tires. The Sport-tech gets 18s with the PS4 tires.

[@gobear83]

@@bradevans1661 I stand corrected ..my bad

[@bradevans1661]

@@gobear83 All good. I planned the car for Canada so I should know! Ha. Hope you like it!

[@gobear83]

@@bradevans1661 …still trying to get a ride in one …before I pull the trigger ….had a 2013 BRZ only car lm sorry I sold

[@VEEZER1]

I cant wait for u guys to really dig in on the new wrx

[@j.redbeard99]

I've never seen an automatic try so hard to look like a manual before!

[@mikekoenig9950]

The automatic and the toys that come with it are cool, but I just picked up a manual 2023 and that’s what these cars should be. It’s a fun, sporty car

[@daniellocke9534]

You should do a separate review with a standard shift!

[@nanayoseto9968]

First time watching your video and where should I send death threats to Jack? Lolol

[@gaivoron]

4:28 oh oh moment.... IBS is kicking in!

[@opmike343]

I can't wait for the 10K of dealer markup. Local dealers are already asking nearly 5K over sticker for AUTOMATIC Miatas in my area...

[@jaystaa75]

so far its msrp or below in most cases across the US

[@mhm925]

I was worried about that also. I Placed an order on MT limited with no package and only a home-link rear mirror. For 31,400. Auto-nation dealer.

[@no1washerezz]

dude, just walk in and try asking for msrp out the door, this generally works at larger dealerships and if you cant meet at a price with them then just leave...

[@jamesdaple9951]

Love you guys!!i watch all your stuff great team!!

[@bertito43]

The DCT in the GLI/GTI is amazing and with a tune it’s even better and super responsive

[@Eldaino999]

I liked my dsg in my gti, but unless you’re in sport? Stock isn’t exactly responsive, especially at low rpm’s. To say nothing of how expensive those things are to service.

[@gwot]

the DCT is amazing in the GTI? I have one. damn... I can't imagine how horrendous other DCT is if the GTI is amazing.

[@hellobooom]

@@Eldaino999 I only find it useful when shifting manually, otherwise it's holding gears and stuttering to deliver power. 7 speed DSG service interval increased dramatically so not sure your point on servicing costs is valid unless something explodes, which is always expensive.

[@Mav86asian]

@@gwot it’s the best DCT in mainstream cars, arguably. You don’t actually have a GTI then. Or you have a broken secondhand used one that has been destroyed and raped by its previous owner. I guess it’s the latter.

[@gwot]

@@Mav86asian I literally actually have a GTI, bought it brand new. It is the only DCT i've ever driver, so I have nothing to compare it to, it could very well be the best, but I don't like it and that's that. Could be that I just don't like how DTCs in general drive, they suck, they're only good when flooring it, but in normal street driving i rather have a CVT or converter auto. I've even stalled it once in heavy slow traffic, stalling an auto!

[@sc3639]

pretty good video guys. I enjoyed it. A fair amount of banter which is good. I like to hear all sides. Well done

[@MegaRetr]

Absolutely love your reviews.

[@bigcjm]

Jack's point is fair. He isn't hating on the availability of the auto he just doesn't think a 6 speed, 2 generation old auto is fine. This auto was probably what was in Lexus in the 2000s.

[@iheartgs400]

Yep the tried and true A960E Aisin automatic that’s been out since 2006 so it’s virtually a bulletproof slushbox

[@ZachM525]

I wish we’d get an answer in these reviews of: Would you buy the Veloster N (DCT/manual) over the new BRZ/86 or not? Auto vs Auto, manual vs manual. Same with Miata auto vs auto and manual vs manual. Sure it opinionated but I love hearing feedback from early press reviews on where those opinions lie.

[@jaybosher6144]

I think it falls upon what you value. The veloster is tiny but is arguably more usable due to the hatch vs the 2 door arrangement on the brz/86. Also you can't deny the pro of having a rwd layout for driving fun vs fwd but the turbo power will be more fun and usable for daily commuting. Veloster also has a lot more tech goodies for the money. Ultimately it'll come down to personal preference for platform, drivetrain layout, and brand preference. I dont think you can go wrong with either one

[@MrCYChung]

Aluminum knuckle makes a big difference.. damping vibrations. For us old folks. 👴🏼

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

Interesting, is that true? In the bicycle world, and I realize that this is probably not a great comparison, but aluminum framed bicycles definitely transmit more road harshness to the rider than a steel-tubed bike. But that might have to do with tube shape size differences more than materials...

[@dammyo6010]

I prefer the looks of the GR86 this gen as opposed to liking the looks of the BRZ last gen. But I'd love to own either someday.

[@TheTinotinotino]

Thank guys all ways making good reviews !!

[@jimknutson3605]

It should be “illegal” to sell this car with an automatic transmission!

[@DysphoriaRL]

Personally, I cant wait to get this in auto 😁 and thats coming from someone who has owned the auto AND manual toyota 86. Both have bene rear-ended though, sad times

[@Matkovic99]

Genuinely love the disagreements. Always the highlight of any video lol.

[@youngbrevy]

Happy Thanksgiving from Canada. Great Review SavageJack. Truth be told I’d never buy a BRZGT86 but I watched this review for SavageMarks commentary. I’ve learned so much about knuckles, spring rates, sound waves, and transmissions I just can’t get enough. Where is the “Acura” NSX TypeS movie guys? Still waiting.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

I am surprised to learn that even with a niche car like the BRZ / 86, 70% of cars sold in the U.S. are equipped with an automatic transmission.

[@Kona61]

The stat is wrong for the BRZ. It’s 70% manual for that. I believe the 86 is the other way around.

[@wayward03]

@@Kona61 I had heard both cars were predominantly sold as manuals. But last I had looked into it was early on in the first gen when I bought mine. Wish I'd never sold it

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

@@Kona61 That makes sense, thanks.

[@truantray]

It's always been mostly a JDM wannabee poser car driven by complete a-holes on public roads. Type-r! Slammed suspension! Pointlessly wide tires! Tow hooks!

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

@@truantray It is different in Europe, I think. Quite interesting how cars appeal to different kinds of drivers in different markets.