New Age Agamemnon VS Magic Square Ragnar Doomsday | Doctor Lockdown Reviews 130

[@CapriciousChill]

With things like single episode helmets and keys to plot coupons, "accessory" feels more like "context kibble", and in a way kinda shady. Like adding more frosting to a cake that doesn't contribute to the flavor experience in any other way than charging more for the extra icing.

[@DrLockdown]

This is a perfect analogy

[@jrcdesign2020]

The more and more I've gotten legends figures, the more I think to myself that it is extremely limiting to just see them as simple desk toys, having the toy versions of both Newage and Magic Square's Megatron are what really opened my eyes to that. I enjoy the Newage version for many of the same reasons you do, it's simple, fun, and what's expected of a traditional legends figure, but I also seem to enjoy the Magic Square version for a lot of the reasons you don't. I really, really enjoy the complexity of the Magic Square one, I've done it so many times now that it even comes easier to me than the Newage one. Just the fact that they were able to design that complex of a figure at that size, and the fact that it also just works is amazing to me. I know that this probably isn't the case for most people, but I really enjoy a small figure that can pack in an absolute ton of engineering.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

I agree with this to some extent, but they definitely need to draw a line somewhere. I recently got their mix master and transforming the legs is a nightmare. But by that same merit - their menasor is amazing and the fact they were abele to basically have most of a combiner that turns into a convincing trailer is damn impressive

[@lukasgemmill8084]

Is it just me or does Dr. Lockdown sound more lively in this view. Like he sounds far more chipper

[@DrLockdown]

I got a new microphone

[@vxrdrummer]

I love that Megatron comes with obscure accessories. The Buzzsaw blade is sweet from where he tried to cut up Optimus. For me as a cartoon nerd who watches G1 episodes every day, it's awesome to get that stuff.

[@ThatToyGuy]

I told myself I wasnt going to get Newage Megatron.........Now I have to get a Newage megatron god dammit Doc!

[@rascallymanx8947]

ordered one with a newage prime, myself. excited to see a review from yourself

[@sssspider]

Owning both (having bought the MS after being disappointed with the Newage), I think my general impression is that the Newage makes some big compromises in each mode to create a fun transformation, while the MS sacrificed the transformation to make each mode look more finished. The Magic Square also just FEELS so much better in robot mode, the Newage one is just weirdly loose and finicky. The Newage feels like it was engineered for this scale (making some unfortunate but necessary compromises) whereas the Magic Square feels like a figure that was engineered to be Voyager or MP sized that was scaled down afterwards. Somewhere between them, there lies the Platonic ideal of a perfect Legends-scale Megatron, but neither really hits the mark for me.

[@RIS3N1]

I personally prefer the Newage mold, it's more cartoon accurate in terms of shape and imo I prefer more panel lines because it looks more robotic. Plus Magic Square plastic is awful

[@rudyvalle9022]

This is the first figure that I purchased both NewAge and MS versions. Even as a NewAge fanboy I regret the NewAge one because the bot mode is floppy and the back is ugly and unstable. Also the overall proportions are too skimpy. The MS bot mode feels so much better in hand and it looks better next to the NewAge seekers and Soundwave. The MS gun mode is not pretty enough to display but I feel the NewAge one looks ugly, too, despite it's more realistic gun proportions. Buying both means I spent $200 for one bot mode and many useless accessories. Still, every time I look at MS Megs and his minions on the shelf, I REALLY like it. I find myself picking him up posing him more than all others.

[@happiaxxident]

Now that I’m officially a Third Party Legends Scale Collector/Enthusiast, I have a NA & MS Megatron. Before I unbox, figured I’d revisit this VS to get some pro tips for transformations. Keeping open mind regarding winner since I’m currently fan of MS, NA, and IF, and the things each company particularly well.

[@Cdr2002]

IF Megatron is my personal favorite looks wise but NA seems to have the best posing based on stop motions

[@happiaxxident]

@@Cdr2002 I definitely want to get an IF Megatron

[@MassHystarix]

27:56 tf you mean why? that's one of the few accessories someone might actually want.

[@art-n-filmsam3844]

I will give Newage this over their entire lineup of figures They're one of the few that embrace the Microchange and Diaclone toy designed Transformers Like goddamn - the Optimus Battle Convoy look of their 27EX Commander David sold me on the entire figure Those new decals and toy inspired head make me feel something more than the box standard CHUG figure or Masterpiece

[@grrrmlin]

I recently got newage megatron and i absolutely love him. His robot mode is great, his transformation is beautifully ingeneered. I absolutely adore the way his legs flip around and compress. The only complaint i really have is that his poseability is a little limited compared to their prime. But he gets a pass for being a legends figure

[@Levi_52_336]

While I can understand the desktoy angle, my main reason for loving Legends is having mini, affordable masterpieces. Magic Square in particular make figures that could and have (MP to Legends, but the point stands) made for a great MP. Granted, though their materials allow for such small parts, and the their finishes more or less pull off a cartoon finish, Newage does benefit from better coloring and finishes. Their Optimus is a thing of beauty when concerning colors. Their Optimus is also a version why I prefer Magic Square. It has less cohesive shaping, appearing more so as a bunch of shapes pressed together to achieve a silhouette. Magic Square on the other hand, with their OP 2.0 as an example, are more cohesive in appearance, having better defined limbs. Newage also does a chibi affect on their smaller figures with is less appealing to me, due to that wanting for mini masterpieces. That said, that chibi aesthetic is probably due to their achieving better scale. I prefer the body (horrible head) on MS Bee, but NA Bee is simply microscopic. So it's definitely give and take, but I don't believe their lack of adherence to the desktoy idea makes them bad figures (being complex for the sake of complexity isn't a plus though).

[@KreoSpree]

I can perfectly understand lockdowns POV of legends. But I feel completely dropping everything that doesn't have a overly simple transformation for the sake of being a desk toy is such a limiting view on these figures. Who's to say people don't want an amazing small scale Megatron to display next to their titan class figures? Or who's to say others don't find more fidgety/complicated transformations more interesting as a desk toy thanks to them requiring you to actually give them some thought on how to transform them. At the end of the day though, we all have out own thoughts and opinions, and I can respect how honest and passionate lockdown is about how legends scale figures should be handled Hoping to see his reviews on both magic square 1.0 and 2.0 primes though

[@DrLockdown]

One thing to note is that there's a difference between complexity and overcomplexity. Figures like magic square menasor and new age prime still remain fun. Figures like magic square Megatron and new age Straxus/Galvatron do not.

[@BlockBlazer]

"Vector Ligma" got me more than it should have.

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

Honestly I like the magic square plastic look. I don’t know about it’s feel but the look of the megatron and especially the magic square dead end look lovely to me but like, I have no clue why

[@DrLockdown]

Dead end doesn't use that plastic

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

@@DrLockdown ohh okay then. Regardless, it’s a lovely looking thing

[@josiahsimpson8108]

i know it's from one episode but i love the mind control helmet on all the megatron figures

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

Bruh I love Dr. Heinz Blitzwing

[@cowboybarbaryn1302]

Interesting thing about skywarp’s box there. That’s on all three of the toon styled seekers from what I can tell. At least my Thundercracker has it on there so I’m assuming Starscream also has it.

[@ArcNeoMasato]

31:41 I have never seen that Prime before (or at least really noticed it, I tunnel vision badly and miss things I'm looking directly at) and now MUST get that thing! I've always loved that design for him, and that little guy looks incredible! Also Merry Christmas!

[@DrLockdown]

Good luck. It's iron factory's version, and their stuff is expensive as hell on the aftermarket

[@ArcNeoMasato]

@@DrLockdown oh no doubt there, but with as little as I buy 3P stuff to begin with, I feel I can justify one splurge like that. I do also have to ask though, since I'm literally like... 3 official Starscream figures away from running out, is there a legends class 3P Starscream you recommend above the rest?

[@DrLockdown]

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[@ArcNeoMasato]

@@DrLockdown lol I'd gotten the feeling from that video that was a top notch mold, but it was worth double checking! I'll be throwing that guy on top of my "new job, big raise" list for sure! As well as finally finishing my Starscream collection. lol

[@DrLockdown]

Iron factory does a good one too. Best of luck :D

[@yazadpardiwala687]

2:19 so I read the word "hinkel" in the book band of brothers (about a company of us soldiers in ww2) at which time I looked it up, apparently its just German spang for "uncle" or "friend", kind of like how we use "m8" or "bro" or "brother" (that last one probably best incapsulates the feeling behind the German word)

[@DrLockdown]

I'm not particularly willing to give them the benefit of the doubt after the skywarp fiasco

[@yazadpardiwala687]

@@DrLockdown yeah if I had to guess they did it for the Hitler allusion (which personally I don't mind; seems like a fitting name for Megatron and I don't give a hoot about the political offence people may take) and on the skywarp front, haven't got a clue abt it, just thought I'd some interesting vaguely related trivia is all (but yes I should've been clearer in specifying that it was ONLY trivia and not a likely explanation of their rationale)

[@quotastrider801]

After having the comic version of agamemnon for a few days I found out the fusion cannon tip actually extends for gun mode, newage really went all out :D

[@DrLockdown]

Oh damn. I've gotta check mine. Never realised

[@JomasterTheSecond]

What a Christmas present this vid is... a Minor Megatronic showdown. Makes the hot af Christmas weather worth it. XP

[@the-god-of-fun]

Hey what do you think if the new Newage megatron

[@DrLockdown]

Looks alright

[@mecha53107]

Hey Doc. Since SS86 Megatron has had a leaked listing as a Leader Class, IF the figure does the gun mode instead of a tank, would basing the transformation on Agamemnon?

[@DrLockdown]

It won't be. He'll be a tank. Much as I'd love a Walther alt mode, it would be illegal everywhere outside of America and Japan. You need an actual gun cabinet, a replica firearm license, bars on all the windows and a registry just to own MP36 in Australia.

[@mecha53107]

@@DrLockdown I know the likelihood of 86 Gun Megatron would never happen, but HYPOTHETICALLY, if these laws didn't get in the way, would Agamemnon's transformation work?

[@DrLockdown]

@mecha53107 probably.

[@TableTopTransformer]

I'm glad you brought up that straxis. I've got the galvatron, and while it's an awsome looking robot mode, but the transformation is somewhat fiddly

[@DrLockdown]

It's one of the worst toys I've gotten all year. It's a massive faliure on new Age's part, considering the standard they set themselves

[@TableTopTransformer]

@@DrLockdown fuck! I didn't think it'd be THAT bad

[@DrLockdown]

Neither. I was quite pissed actually. The generations toy was one of my favourites as a kid.

[@themechaidiot]

@@DrLockdown what's wrong with the galvatron/straxus mold? Mine seems fine except some loose knees

[@DrLockdown]

Alt mode stinks, so much paint chipping and the transformation isn't great. Not Ragnar levels, but it's not up to the same standard

[@krimsonklaww611]

I think the undeployed flail is for stop motion artists. But yeah, they could have just made the flail attachable to the undeployed flail.

[@rhyperiorhunter7339]

frankly Magic Square should just move to masterpiece designed as when they dabbled in that with their Light of Freedom optimus they made what some consider the best MP scale optimus out there Magic Square just seems to be in the wrong corner of the market

[@DrLockdown]

We already have enough masterpiece companies lol

[@astromotive6047]

@@DrLockdown Just not enough *ACTIVE* companies. Maketoys is MIA [Outside of Repaints] *F*ck you M**S T*YS!* , Badcube just straight up disappeared, DX9 is dead, Unique Toys has shifted entirely to MPM, and ZETA perhaps worst of all got hardcore bonked on the head after the whole Unicron deal and began releasing all sorts of outdated designs that literally *NOBODY* wanted or even asked for all while their Predaking that they had been teasing up to that point *[and whose's combined mode reveal I saw in person at TFCON LA back in 2019]* was pretty much forgotten about and left to die in purgatory. Oh and the less said about Cang Toys and how they handled the reveal of *THEIR* Predaking the better. Really only XTB (Despite their at best lackluster QC) is consistently releasing new G1 MP stuff. MMC is just about to start their Defensor set, and Fans Toys is like *"Our figures are done when they are done"* .

[@rhyperiorhunter7339]

@@DrLockdown yeah but given how the Light of Freedom turned out it would be a better fit for magic square as they're kind of engineering is better suited for that branch of the third party market

[@Cdr2002]

Newage’s names really take the “let’s make the Decepticons blatantly evil” thing to uncomfortable heights 💀 I think most of them being war machines and their leader in particular transforming into various instruments of death from the simple gun all the way up to a two-headed dragon would convey that point enough

[@themerrymaker7144]

I feel like the accessories for the magic square figure were made for the idea that stop motion creators would make videos with them. The only reason I think that is because he comes with a non deployed mace piece, as if someone would recreate the dam battle with magic square prime

[@DrLockdown]

That sounds neat, although an accessory pack you could buy separately would be better in that instance. Pretty sure magic square already did that for their original prime

[@kaisipe412]

New Age take the transformation into account when designing their figures. Magic Square transformations are afterthoughts.

[@kaisipe412]

There are exceptions to every rule but from what I've seen, this seems to be the case

[@DrLockdown]

Pretty much

[@johnreel4695]

Bro i almost spat my coffee when you said Vector Ligma lmao

[@ultimateknight4667]

I'm not sure if you take fan requests but have you considered a versus review on Planet x and mastermind creations deathsaurus, when mmc releases thiers in the summer?

[@DrLockdown]

I'm not getting either of them. If I do get one, it'll be the planet X one later down the line, because I just don't have the cash at the moment. Also MMC's is named after an individual who used to harass me a few years back whenever I posted Hasbro stuff. Not really a fan of that

[@ultimateknight4667]

@@DrLockdown sorry man didn't know about the mmc stuff, and sorry you were harassed.

[@DrLockdown]

Nah no response to apologize. It's just a personal thing

[@Bigdaddyweese]

MS Megs was supposed to have a chain that plugged into the flail part. It’s missing and also the battery and light

[@DrLockdown]

Huh. Mine...never came with that

[@DragoonMS]

So after rewatching this comparison, I still stand by the obvious fact that the NewAge "Agamenmnon" is superior to Magic Square "Doomsday". (And yeah, folks don't seem to notice that Magic Square has that beefier Dreamwave comic look whereas NewAge has that slimmer Sunbow & Toei animation/Marvel comic look; same goes for both companies representations of Shockwave) As for materials, I think Magic Square still runs with that nylon type of plastic or something similar; their Bumblebee, Hound, and both Legends & Masterpiece Optimus Prime 2.0s still have that kinda faded look and feel to them, and they just came out with a premium painted "Light of Peace" (MP 2.0) and a premium painted Bumblebee seems to be on the way, too. And I still stand by this, too: combining the Padoru with the first type stage theme of Super Mario Bros. 3 is absosmurfinlutely *BRILLIANT*!! 💗😆😀😎

[@dedalionarts6077]

34:50 So let me get this straight.... A chibi anime girl dressed like a Santa, is a "pit demon". And I thought the alwayes DRUNK scrap-pipe of a "Wizard" was the wierdest thing I seen on this channel. I guess I was wrong. Also MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! 🎅 😁 🎄 ☃️ ❄️

[@DrLockdown]

Lol it's a reference to the nicee review, which itself is a reference to one of the first legiondary reviews I ever did

[@dedalionarts6077]

@@DrLockdown well, I started watching your channel a 1/1,5 year ago, soooo... I wouldn't get it. And Merry Christmas to you Doc. See ya later 😉👋.

[@yoysheh1389]

@@DrLockdown I know you probable don't care but said pit demon just revealed her new ultimate form, just look up the whore of babylon nero anyway great review and enjoy your holiday.

[@dedalionarts6077]

@@yoysheh1389 could leave a link? I'm curioes as well 😁.

[@Protosilver97]

Padoeus are a plague that have to be slayed.

[@ErmIDK19]

I foresee in the not too distant future that we will be paying $200 + for this scale figure .

[@DrLockdown]

They've reissued it like four times, and it's not budged price wise.

[@thehobbyist1162]

I won an auction on ebay and Im getting a new age Agamemon I can't wait to get it.

[@GAMEPRODELTA]

Hynkell/Agamenmenon is the megatron I don't mind transforming back and forth, the leg transformation on doomsday is what turns me off from transforming him frequently.

[@sebatianmatospelaez7018]

15:30 Ragnar has a transformation that could work better for a Voyager figure... With some tweeks, of course

[@DrLockdown]

Oh definitely.

[@sebatianmatospelaez7018]

I though you wouldnt agree... But a well, guess this is the company whose figures would work better if they were chug -scale.

[@chrisgreen6470]

for Magic Square Megs the feet do fold up on the pin joint for gun mode.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Would you recommend doomsday if you just wanted him for robot mode? Been collecting magic square combiners recently and I really like the chunkier designs.

[@DrLockdown]

Not really. If you EVER have the inclination to transform him, new age is the way to go

[@dapperloser3025]

1:24 as a themepark nerd i was honestly suprised to see an evac here, (holding out hope for a SS version one day)

[@DrLockdown]

An SS one would be nice, but they'd probably forget about it in favour of more geewun unfortunately. The Legion one actually released normally. It's just the deluxe that was exclusive

[@dapperloser3025]

@@DrLockdown yeah true, though there is a slight shread of hope for one since a clone of the ride opened recently in Beijing

[@stivers56]

See people? toying can look good, just need the right company, and right designers (Edit: the G1 toy also featured some other combinations, like a bigger fusion cannon, and the hand swapping might not be for everyone, I mean PerspectiveEnd hates the RID 2001 optimus because he's a partsformer, and that guy was a good optimus for his time, that actually makes partsforming pretty fun and something to do with the other parts)

[@Isaiahbowling10]

1:08 I remember that mini Optimus prime on the right I used to get him alot and I kept losing it so I kept going back to dollar general to get it I remember the days when I was 6-8 yo now I'm 13 and now the toys are cheap

[@Glitcher2000]

Following up on this, are you excited for NewAge's new Romulus take on Megatron?

[@DrLockdown]

I'm excited that people have an option. Not something I'm really fussed about tho.

[@Karnage_gg]

As a skywarp lover I feel attacked

[@RodimusMinor1987]

I love legends figures and I wan them to have enjoyable Transformations, I don't display them they are fore playing with

[@xandermoyer8730]

I think the gun is red alerts because if you look at the things cut from the script

[@EvexiansVideoworks]

2:22 DID THEY ACTUALLY CALL IT THAT. As a german this makes me a TAD worried….

[@saanyoun]

I can't wait for you to review MS-B46 light of victory, optimus prime 2.0 by magic square.

[@nermal_the_mabye_real]

25:14 Why is this so funny 😂

[@_V.Va_]

Ah two of my favorite things in one. Interesting toy Diagnosis and Mario music. Don't get me wrong, Pokemon music is God tier too, but Mario hits different.

[@Megs_the_gamer]

I think that if magic Square just resize them to be Mp sized and updated a few things I think they would actually be a bit better I mean, I have the Optimus prime and it is one of the best figures I have

[@Alexprime-ve1od]

The accessories are four stop motion animations

[@TableTopTransformer]

I do feel the newage seekers are similar to the magic square tron. Too many accessories, and a transformation that doesn't need to be as it is

[@DrLockdown]

I absolutely adore the new age seekers, aside from the legs

[@TableTopTransformer]

@@DrLockdown dunno if it's just my copy, but the purple one's legs are floppy

[@DrLockdown]

Ah damn. That's unfortunate. I've got five seekers total (acid storm, sunstorm, cocoa cola Starscream, action master thundercracker and G2 ramjet) and all of them have great QC

[@Kudzooo]

Your laptop seems pretty justified for crashing. That transformation looks like it’s a mess at that scale.

[@Underscorezeus]

I think the Ligma key came with Newage and not Magic Square

[@BunnyGirlMet]

2:26 god fucking damnit. That joke got me. I hate how clever but how bad it was.

[@DrLockdown]

Not mine actually. A mate came up with it

[@_V.Va_]

A very old joke, actually.

[@cjb9510]

Please review Newage Galvatron/Straxus!

[@DrLockdown]

Straxus is in the pipeline, but not for ages

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

But my Agamemnon has a bunch of accessories that you don’t mention…

[@DrLockdown]

Mine didn't come with those. Was yours the toon version?

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

@@DrLockdown yeah. Toon version. Might not have had the Krimzeek.

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah that's probably it. They likely spent that money in the paint

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

@@DrLockdown lucky you. I paid like… $30 shipped. Mind telling me what you paid?

[@DrLockdown]

@@tawdryhepburn4686 OUCH. RRP in Australia is $100.

[@josiahsimpson8108]

i see your point about the legs but i think the original looks worse

[@DrLockdown]

That it does, but it converts way better

[@Take-Action-]

Love the pun.

[@whztever]

4:26 i am american and i can confirm that describes us to a tee

[@indy500tabasco8]

Lets eat KarachiBiryani and be Happy. KarachiBiryani is the Proof that God love us all.

[@tahumusprime6751]

Key to Vector Ligma. Don't say it.

[@carolynwood5574]

So MP 44 as a Legends/Core figure… ew. Armada Starscream worship when? (And Hot Shot, those legs feel like it needs a digaoscis)

[@DrLockdown]

You mean the new legacy one? He's fine. A slight step up from the T30 one. Inferno from the same wave is more interesting, but honestly I don't have enough to say about either to make a full review

[@carolynwood5574]

@@DrLockdown ok. Hot Shot does look to have weird legs but perfect outside of that… besides the Mcdonalds yellow. If someone is crazy enough to do a full paint job for it, a Gundam orange yellow would be better.

[@DrLockdown]

I think he's fine. Flawed, but I'm excited to get him...in April 2023 when he drops in Australia :(

[@hatmann5697]

dont worry about being flagged for firearm content because there are entire channels dedicated to firearms on youtube

[@MaidTailgate]

I take issue with the idea of a "legends collector" in this video. Because I feel like when you say "legends collectors want it like this" you mean you want it like this. Personally, I think a masterpiece should blend real-world vehicles, toys, and cartoon models. But the thing about that is I prefer it that way. If I were to sit here and say "masterpiece collectors prefer it like this" now I am not wrong in the idea that some people are with me on this opinion but now I am alienating people who have different wants. If I were to do that I am sort of making a divide between what a true and untrue collector is. I can tell in the context of this video you probably didn't have intentions on a "true collector" and it was probably just taken the wrong way but this isn't me butchering you hate waffles because you said you like pancakes it was just my initial reaction when you said "true pancake enjoyers eat it them with chocolate chips" Note: This isn't me saying you're wrong for having an opinion or no one is sharing the same opinion as you it's me saying that you can alienate people with a different opinion by throwing the idea of a "legends collector"

[@bumblebee6090]

As magic square doomsday worse than Thunder later

[@DrLockdown]

No

[@johanna79719]

The video be like: *plot twist*

[@TheRealHiboman]

That joke about not knowing guns cuz you’re not American just ages better and better with every passing day…

[@Cdr2002]

To each their own With interpretations of the Decepticons but I gotta admit the combination of blue collar workers and xenophobic genocidal fascism has become increasingly concerning to me over recent years

[@skytheguy2.0]

Vector Ligma

[@randymerrick3347]

I actually prefer the magic square one. That new age one looks like crap

[@DrLockdown]

At that size it really doesn't

[@kaisipe412]

So you'd rather pop an artery when transforming something than not?

[@joshp831]

That’s a lot of f##k’s

[@kaelthulu056]

Imagine being mad at 3rd party names

[@bumblebee6090]

I think Michael Bay Design This transformation

[@AnibalGerena]

😂

[@JOECURR1488]

Megatron was right.

[@shockwave_edits9568]

1. The new age gun looks HORRIBLE. It's disgusting and insulting to my eyes, so many hinges and robot shit showing. 2. The MS Gun mode can fold the feet in so it looks cleaner. 3. the little tabs in the MS Handle arent that bad? Tf you on about. If you are counting tabs as a negative, then new age would have minus points.

[@JimmyHauser]

This has to be one of the most annoying reviews I have ever watched. Lots of incoherent information in quickfire clips mashed in between alot of childish complaining. KZbin algorithm fail.