Drones Don't Count as Models and Markerlights Tokens Gone? Tau Empire Changes in 10th Edition 40K

[@auspextactics]

SMALL CORRECTION: I don't think I said anything wrong in the audio but on the slide for guided/observer units I wrote that they both had to attack the same target. The observer unit doesn't have to - it can fire at what it wants to. It just needs to be able to see the target for the unit it's guiding, and can then basically go on to do what it likes later in the phase.

[@matthewrayner571]

It says in the last sentence of the first paragraph "The unit *they* are targeting is the spotted unit". Is this just explaining the concept or does it mean at least one observing weapon must target them?

[@sirbaconbuster]

@@matthewrayner571 I think it's just explaining the concept. Otherwise, I would assume it would say "the unit that is targeted for a shooting attack" or something like that.

[@tomzwakhals2597]

​@@matthewrayner571 Otherwise Target Uploaded would mean that Pathfinders could fire twice or never use that ability

[@aarongelb9793]

is there a range limit for the observing unit, is having LOS enough?

[@tomzwakhals2597]

@@aarongelb9793 the Observer should have LoS and cannot have shot already. So Observers should shoot last

[@shethek1733]

Devilfish can Spot for the Breachers and then be a safehaven for them if something wants to charge them. That sounds like some nice a synergy there.

[@hurrsia]

Dats a-spicy a-meatball!

[@ElessarGl]

3rd edition flashbacks intensify

[@jdrobertson42]

Ironically, the new overwatch rules could be a big problem for this sort of unit, though. Who’d have thought Tau would have to think about overwatch.

[@SilverGears]

fish-o-fury v.2?

[@JustinWu]

Fish of fury lfgggg

[@dizzycriminal]

They replaced Markerlights with the Power of Friendship.

[@mongoliandude]

Only fitting for the faction that has the Power of Anime on its side

[@Mr._Idiot440]

Also just wanna say that Pathfinders going from 5+ to 4+ armor save is hilarious considering Admech lol

[@marcialrodriguez6285]

hilarius

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

it's just scum, I wonder if fire warriors or breachers get 3+

[@thebiggestbaz]

Yeah that did hurt my soul a bit

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@@mikoajpietrych6168I doubt it, but all this preview has done is make me want the stupid index to go ahead and get released yesterday. You'd think with full rules leaks supposedly out in the wild already, GW would bite the bullet and release some e-downloads to get back in front of the narrative

[@sirbaconbuster]

I definitely like the new markerlight rules. I will also definitely miss drones counting as models though.

[@ummthatguy]

and wounds, and screeners, and and and .... it is garbage

[@sirbaconbuster]

@@ummthatguy Well, they could always give the suits slightly more durable profiles. And who knows? The drones could potentially be a lot cheaper. Would be pretty funny to take like 7 shield drones on a Broadside and just give it like 16 wounds.

[@Keemperor40K]

I think that to some point this is the best iteration of Markerlights. It was always a dice roll of 4+ and you had to maximize how many you had and the options where always kind of either too many to make it workable or not enough to justify (almost) and if you lost most of your markerlight units you lost a big part of your options. This way, you always have the markerlight capability on at least half of your army at any time. Pathfinders and units that can give the FTGG more than once have become even more important, as now the Tau always get to have Markerlights regardless of specific army loses, so it remains useful throughout all the game and the enemy has to destroy all your army to deny all FTGG buffs. As for the Drones, it depends on cost and availability. If the cost is fair, you could get a super unit with ungodly amount of wounds, just by taking a bunch of Shield Drones (depends on cost), but these changes force a lot of synergy within the entire Tau army, which is a staple of how Tau are supposed to play.

[@davidmason5163]

Well I feel sorry for the chap on the Tau group that painted 120+ drones over a couple of months for his army as a theme. For me...I just managed to scrape enough for old style suit models...😢

[@born2hula325]

I feel like squads of gun drones HAVE to still be in, but it’s a bit weird they didn’t highlight them, given how many players have 40+ of them.

[@Gamle]

I was playing around with a Drone Swarm list as well. Guess thats not going to happen now..

[@WK-47]

Glad I didn't go hard on drones (and was selective when it came to variants) after getting back into the hobby last year. Love me some drones but was wary since finding out how things have changed since 9th. At least Pathfinders are still looking hot - love that unit.

[@konigstiger3252]

I think my local group will just play 9th for some extended time

[@JonathanFlexx]

Shield drones and ablative wounds were anti-fun and toxic for the opponent. Good riddance. Sad for the guy, but he themed his army on OP gimmicks.

[@nielsjensen4185]

In 10th, as it is with this preview, any T'au army will have two halves, one half that gets things done and an MSU half with Marker Lights to make the "get things done" half better at getting things done-.

[@richmcgee434]

Looks likely, although there's a lot of puzzle pieces unseen yet.

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

I'm genuinely confused because I've seen this comment multiple times...what MSUs? Tau infantry have been locked into 10 man teams for a good amount of time now and it doesn't seem like that's going to change in 10th (I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing any infantry units that are taken in relatively small groups). The only small units are battlesuits and you absolutely do *not* want to waste them as a spotter unit, and kroot hounds which I'm pretty sure aren't going to be carrying markerlights taped to their backs...

[@OmnisKorrecta]

​@@fabr1cat0rgeneral94 msu = Minimum Strength Unit

[@Duncan40k]

​@OmnisKorrecta which when GW had moved most infantry to fixed 10 model units makes that some expensive MSU

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

@@OmnisKorrecta i *know* what MSU stands for, I'm asking what units of infantry even *exist* as MSU anymore? Tau infantry have been locked into squads of 10 for awhile now with no option for smaller, less expensive teams. Only kroot hounds and battlesuits can be taken in MSUs and the former will likely not be able to be observers and you do not want to waste the latter as an observer and missing half their shots anyway

[@cordial001]

I really like the revised markerlights and t'au big guns seem like they'll be something to fear. I really wanted to see how battlesuits fared, since they're the iconic t'au units for me. Regardless, things look promising

[@CalfOnTheRun]

The big guns are kinda just worse now tbh. And the marker lights are now more complicated and a lot worse too. Drones are in the mud as well which sucks. Can't really see me bringing any unless they're literally 1-2 points.

[@sirbaconbuster]

@CalfOnTheRun The big guns are worse, yes, but that's literally the point of 10th. They're toning the game down. That includes our monstrous guns. Honestly, they're still some of the spiciest anti-tank guns we've seen so far.

[@kevinanderson422]

@@CalfOnTheRun Funny, I was thinking marker lights seemed much more streamlined/easy to understand now.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@@kevinanderson422I like that it's effectively impossible for opponents to focus down our markerlights now. Can't count the number of times my Pathfinders were chucked straight off the board the moment my opponent could point something at them. I'm less thrilled with getting a detachment ability that's half as effective as every other faction previewed so far, but depending on how actual game play shakes out, we may be alright regardless.

[@Haiphong778]

A lot of the changes seem at least fine enough, but I'm really bothered by the removal of drones :( Like, every T'au player has a drone swarm, and now we can't deploy them anymore?

[@Felix-vb9kh]

Maybe they are getting their own datasheets? Most of the presented Drones are support drones anyway, but there are still Sniper Drones or the bigger things from Forgeworld. I like the change, because it always felt weird and wrong, when tiny drones are able to block tons of shots (even strong, big ones), leaving the target behind them unharmed.

[@richmcgee434]

@@Felix-vb9kh That. Probably have dataslates for the sniper and tactical drone units operating on their own.

[@JonathanFlexx]

@@Felix-vb9kh I love your name

[@apolloknight9521]

I’m do I still call myself a Warhammer Fan is I don’t buy any models?

[@richmcgee434]

@@apolloknight9521 You can hate GW's business practices and still be a Warhammer fan. Time was they were a good company - mostly in the 1980s and early 90s.

[@leosklein2573]

Things I'm most excited for: - Recon Drones giving Pathfinders the Infiltrator keyword - Markerlights being more fluid across the army. So troop unit could laze for a Broadside. Or a Devilfish could do it for troops. - Heavy Weapons if they didn't move and the target is marked hitting on 2s! - Devilfish being a potential tactical retreat option for Breachers (if it isn't obliterated first lol)

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Heavy weapons hitting on 5+ default. +1 for not moving, and +1bs from for the greater good. Makes heavy weapons hit on 3's. All heavy weapons they've shown so far have had their BS worsened by 1, with the +1 from not moving just negating that

[@mateuszpawlak4764]

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Railgun is 4+ so that can definitely hit on 2+

[@hmmm348]

Looks like I should start buying some recon drones. I actually have a ton of railguns too, but wondering if they're worth the points if all your unit does is mark for other units all game.

[@skorathereckless6449]

​@@mateuszpawlak4764 why would be sitting a unit out in open to get killed

[@leosklein2573]

@@hmmm348 So my understanding is Observers can still shoot, but don't get any benefits from Markerlights that turn. And Pathfinders can ML twice. So you could light things up and still shoot your Rail Rifles, they'd just be stuck at BS4+ unless another ability (like maybe from an HQ?) gives them +1.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

T'au are, in fact, looking obscenely shooty. Love the thematic nature of the rule too. Sustained hits (2) will be is pretty bonkers on lots of their signature units and will definitely be felt even from turn 3. The drone changes are a little bit if a shame, but will definitely reduce complexity and probably make the game quicker with less slow rolling.

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

Assuming they live that long...

[@richmcgee434]

Only half (bit more with Pathfinders) your units can be Guided, and your opponent has two-three turns to kill your stuff and make it harder exploit that boost - and they don't have to score total kills, Battle Shock will complicate the way the Observer/Guided engine functions quite a bit. Seems like ther's decent amounts of counterplay before it kicks in.

[@LowinBayrod]

Imagine your opponent's stress turn 3+ when you roll your 2 dices on your pulse blaster to see if you roll a 6 (30,56%)...😅

[@alextikho2257]

@@LowinBayrod Not really. By new rules, one weapon - 1 target, you can't split shots. Just overkill.

[@johncosby9479]

Infiltrated pathfinders will get 1-2 rounds of shooting if we’re lucky, then we’ll have to start dropping in reserves. Not sure I’ll deploy much besides infantry until T3 when Kauyon kicks in.

[@NornQueenKya]

Oh God, the tau players are going to Drone on and on about this arnt they?

[@olith]

🗨👽

[@alexanderandrews6980]

Eh who listens to them anyways. They don't even engage in Melee!!!

[@commentarytalk1446]

And so they should Drone on when GW have apparently Thrown In The Tau, on this army...

[@Tortle-Man]

As they should, these changes are pretty bad tbh.

[@nicholastorgerson125]

Droning really isn't Model behavior. The changes are For the Greater Good.

[@DJCallidus]

Teamwork for the Greater Good. Be interesting to see how the rest of the army synergies with the Kauyon detachment. They'll need to set up a few "killboxes" for those later turns while avoiding fast melee threats. Interesting times.

[@TheSuperjort]

Really sad that I cant play Mont'ka from the start and have to wait a year until the codex drops. And this after bringing out all that cool farsight lore........

[@davidcallier9679]

My thoughts exactly....

[@ClearestDrop097]

U do realise that for 10th all rules will drop for free online?

[@Kingofthesmall]

We will all know if something is wrong when Auspex doesn’t post for 16+ hours.

[@Ghostdeth13242]

228k subs from all that hard work

[@LeebeeLink]

the big thing for me is what is going to happen to septs? with kauyon relegated to a detachment (i will really miss the flexibility of choosing between kauyon and mont'ka mid game, also begs the question of what other detachments will be), are they going to put sept-type abilities there? hopefully it's more like if you choose a certain warlord, your army gets such and such abilities/in an aura (i.e. choosing farsight gives some of the old farsight sept rules...etc) also can I just say it sucks to only get a single complete datasheet for this reveal? way less meat than other armies were shown

[@avlaenamnell6994]

like everyone else septs and sub factions are gone.

[@ChaoticLaughter7]

I think this is the faction focus that informed us the least somehow. They essentially told us "Marklights are still a thing but different, drones are gutted, heres a cool weapon". Which leaves me with so many questions, with drones being gutted, how are we even gonna survive into turn 3 to make use of the detatch ability? They didnt even show a single mech datasheet, but maybe toughness will be taken into consideration here? The marklights not working with battleshocked units is a huge nerf, by turn 3 everything will likely be below half strength which means what seems at first like "half the army is affected due to pairs" might turn into a 1/3rd or less if your roll badly. Dunno, just doesnt seem to synergize well with itself. Points will also reveal more of the story, but these rules would deffinatly benifit an overall points reduction for some of the more baseline troops and battlesuits.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

So like deathguard, I'm assuming you'll have a way to not just die instantly. But it looks a bit to me that everyone is being brought down to my 9th edition Tyranids level. Maybe they'll all have to actually play the game now

[@Notlok930]

It may be a small clarification (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but it seems you state in the bullet points that both the observer unit and guided unit both attack the enemy spotted unit but it appears to me that the only thing the observer unit has to do it be able to see the spotted unit to provide the buff to the guided unit and then later in the turn when that observer unit is selected to shoot it doesn't have any restriction on what it can target.

[@RoosterHenningway]

The enemy the observer unit is shooting at becomes the spotted unit. Last sentence of the first little paragraph in the greater good rule. Really hate the way it's worded but it looks like you have to shoot at the same unit with both Edit: the more I read it the less sure I become

[@Narokh]

​@@RoosterHenningwayIt is very clunkily worded, but I disagree with your interpretation. You first pick the guided unit (referred to as "this unit" in the text) when you select it to shoot. Then you choose an eligible unit as the observer (referred to as "that unit") and the spotted unit. You then fire the guided unit as it was the one currently chosento shoot. After that, the observer is free to fire at any target (but then can not become guided itself).

[@matthewrayner571]

​@@RoosterHenningwayCould it be targeting with the rule, not the weapon? Either way you only need to fire one weapon at them to target them, as the Observer doesn't get the penalty for shooting other people.

[@auspextactics]

Yes that is how it works I think - I don't think I said anything wrong in the audio, but you're right the slide's bullet point is wrong. Will post a correction above, thanks for spotting.

[@RoosterHenningway]

@@Narokh yeah I see it now I think. It doesn't say expressly the observer has to shoot at the spotted unit and I read it like it was implied they had to. I feel like he will have to drop a clarification on it anyways, way too wordy

[@eskhaphey2873]

Mild clarification of GWs horrific wording of rules needed here. (Edited) In your shooting phase pick two different friendly Tau units, and one enemy unit that these two Tau units can draw line of sight to. The Enemy unit becomes a Spotted unit, one Tau unit becomes a Guided unit, the other Tau unit becomes an Observer unit. You may use this Special Rule as many times as allowed as dictated by the number of units you have available to pair up like this. RESTRICTIONS: This Guided unit cannot be an already existing Observer unit. The Observer unit must be a unit eligible to shoot. The Spotted unit must be in Line of Sight of both the Guided unit and the Observer unit. (This means no repeated use of the same Observer unit for multiple Guided units, but also means that the two Tau units cannot swap roles later in the shooting phase). RULING: Until the end of the Shooting Phase, the Guided unit gains a +1 bonus to it's Ballistic Skill when targeting the Spotted unit. Until the end of the Shooting Phase, the Guided unit suffers a -1 penalty to it's Ballistic Skill when not targeting the Spotted unit. Until the end of the Shooting Phase, if the Observer unit has a Markerlight, then attacks made by the Guided unit against the Spotted unit gain the Ignores Cover Special Rule. The Observer unit does not need to target the same unit as the Guided unit.

[@peterandjunko]

You should amend line of sight to eligible to shoot- this is important because of advance rules etc. otherwise spot on changes to GW word salad.

[@eskhaphey2873]

@@peterandjunko ah yes, I missed that thank you, the Observer needs to be a unit eligible to shoot, so you cannot use a previous Guided unit as an Observer unit, so in essence the two friendly Tau units picked cannot pair up with any other friendly Tau unit in the same turn.

[@yeturs69420]

What do you mean my spotter can only help one sniper? He sees all the enemies, can't he give all my units advanced targeting data (advanced enough to increase hit chance by 16%) woe is me

[@eskhaphey2873]

@@yeturs69420 lol

[@peterandjunko]

@@eskhaphey2873 also kroot hounds won’t be spotting either!

[@hurrsia]

These Faction Focuses show us so little, it kills me inside because I want to see more, damn it!

[@youtousim]

Was hoping they'd get both Mont Ka turn 1-3 AND Kau Yon turns 3-5. With lesser individual buffs but a big turn 3 where "the tide turns".

[@gearstonelp8414]

Nobody talking about the 4+ Sv on the pathfinders?

[@carval51]

why not changes

[@AllThingsCubey]

Admech players are, because it shows GW doesn't give a shit about us anymore, if they felt the need to give Pathfinders +1 to their save and then -1 to Skitarii (armour and invulns) Apparently light "recon armour" meant to allow stealth and easy movement, hence the 7" move, is now superior protection to full-body plate, with an armoured under-suit and metal lined coat, over a cyborg body. GW rules writers have utterly lost the plot

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@AllThingsCubey As a T'au player who loves my Pathfinders...agreed. A 5+ save would've been fine considering their light scout armor.

[@AllThingsCubey]

@@SarajevoKyoto Honestly, you're welcome to enjoy it. They probably got it to represent the sort of 9th ed rule where scout units got an additional +1 save in cover, which is not a thing in 10th (core rule says you can never save better than +1 from the datasheet) I don't like to see other factions be bad. I just wish GW didn't so blatantly hate mine as to nerf us so hard when we already suck.

[@omegavulture8379]

Wow, sure is something… army wide rule that says you get better shooting after most of your units are dead…

[@dalzzor]

I know right , maybe a second detachment will be avaliable with Monka though they did say only one per index. Though if you get to turn 3 its a good buff

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Maybe don't let most of your army be dead by turn three

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@kamikeserpentail3778 Buddy, have you SEEN transports this edition? Marines with Assault Ramp will be in our deployment zone Turn 2 at the absolute latest and there goes half your army.

[@555tork]

@@SarajevoKyoto you can also use transports and fast battlesuits to run around as well.

[@richmcgee434]

I wonder if the grav fortifications will have the Transport keyword in 10th. A couple of our local players swear by the tidewall as an alternative to the Devilfish in 9th (and have proved it works often enough for me to see what they're on about) but if Combat Embarkation worked on all of them there might be something to using those as well. They're mostly so close to decent it wouldn't take much to put them over the line - although the droneport (which is currently the just plain lousy variant) is going to need a serious rewrite. Of course, that assumes GW doesn't just quietly retire them all. Some have been unavailable for ages.

[@dirtyjose3263]

Nothing Tau was announced in the recent retirements so there's hope! I would like to know about the Tidewalls too.

[@richmcgee434]

@@dirtyjose3263 Some of them have been gone for so long they might as well have been retired. I never even would have noticed if our locals weren't such big enthusiasts for the walls. So rare to see a viable fortification in the game. :)

[@MGShadow1989]

Since the faction was introduced the markerlights have been a fun flavour but awkward mechanic, especially with Pathfinders being hilariously fragile turning them into a liability. The change in 9th making it an action with special rules for Pathfinders was one of the best things GW done for Tau, allowing Pathfinders to properly fill their niche - still a bit on the fragile side but being able to mark things so freely made them genuinely good. I don't mind this 'observer' and 'guided' thing thematically, but gutting markerlights is just annoying. I'm also not sure on the change to drones - on one hand it's not going to interfere with unit sizes in regards to transports, but if Tau lose the extra wounds they add to a unit they're gonna have to make a bunch of stuff tougher or they're gonna be a bit squishy. I'm also pissed that it's yet another new edition and Tau are still average accuracy - with all their tech you'd think they'd have made fancy glasses or something. It makes no sense thematically or in regards to gameplay that THE shooty army can get outshot.

[@Duncan40k]

Also where is the downside to other factions army wide rules? Don't remember other factions having to deal with downsides written into their factions ability. 😢

[@scurtus1885]

Wdym, half the army gonna be hitting on 3s with new spotter mechanic, and stormsurge if stationary on 2s.

[@Duncan40k]

@Scurtus at one unit in an army that GW keep pushing mixed loadouts onto so you want your storm surge to shoot multiple units, same with crisis suits and broadsides. Yeah that tanks super dead but the other 4 weapons on the stromsruge now hit on 5's. Also who places their models in line of sight of a stormsurge or a hammerhead?

[@richmcgee434]

Their BS already reflects their advanced targeting and aiming-assist tech. Without it these clowns would be shooting like orks, but with less enthusiasm. Might even be worse at baseline. One of the playtesters from back when they appeared in 3rd told me the first draft for their stats had them shooting on 3+ all right...with T2, WS5+, Ld 6 when it was roll low to pass, and the equivalent of strikes last to go with it. Be careful what you wish for.

[@MGShadow1989]

@@Duncan40k - the main thing I thought of was Crisis suits. On one hand a Strike team or whatever supporting a Crisis team is nicely thematic, but because of weapon costs we typically don't have crisis suits with focused loadouts, they're meant to be versatile.

[@eelacanth]

Still hoping we'll get more species of the empire at some point, let tau be more than just shooting

[@Spacefrisian]

Still waiting for Battlesuit melee orientated gear. Surely by now the Tau would have realised that having a sharp pointy stick on a battle suit would help out a lot when the next Greenskin comes knocking on them.

[@rltlounge8678]

werent there supposed to be updated kroot and vespids coming? I kinda wanna get a bunch, but dont wanna buy the old kits

[@carsandsports123]

You are forever cursed as a tau to not stand out in melee

[@AnEnormousNerd]

@@Spacefrisian idk, I think there's a saying about guns and knives, and which is more effective.

[@icholi88]

@@carsandsports123 Well, you'll never be good at it but you could still be something other than helpless if they updated Kroot.

[@ravenRedwake]

9:30 so if gundrones are on vehicles they don’t use the vehicles ballistic skill anymore? Kinda sad face about that. I also loved the ability to drop the drone swarm from my pihranas or some devil fish.

[@breadimus5486]

more than likely, the gun drones on devilfish essentially wont exist, and the twin pulse carbines will just be part of the devilfish's guns and hit on 4+. i doubt you'll be able to designated tasking them anymore, which is a bit lame but not something i ever actually used

[@ravenRedwake]

@@breadimus5486 yeah. But it makes it a lot easier for people building those tanks and vehicles to just glue the drones in lol.

[@555tork]

@@ravenRedwake maybe not the best idea for future editions in case GW change their mind.

[@justinalexander4707]

As an Enclave player, I was gutted by these changes. I only have one army that I have built up throughout 9th. All they would have had to do was give access to Mont’ka and I’d be able to swallow the rest of these changes. Even if it was bad, I’d want it. I feel like my agency over my army was ripped away and I have to wait a year To MAYBE play my army my way.

[@koenvandiepen7651]

What? Do you already have the army rules.?

[@TenaciousDealer]

Bit mixed on these changes, some seem ok but little underwhelming, also kinda disappointed about the drones was hoping I'd be able to field some drone squadrons without feeling terrible... can't even do it while feeling terrible now. Absolutely hate that the detachment rule is staying as something that only affects half the game (also seems pretty bad tbh).

[@lucasmiller5977]

But imagine the potential! Turn three guided stormsurge with DOUBLE exploding sixes!

[@breadimus5486]

@@lucasmiller5977 hitting on 2+ if it stands still! ignoring cover!

[@stephendarkman576]

12:52 AP-6 isn't meaningless, it can negate benefice of cover for characters and multiple-wounds models, since they can have it against weapons that are not AP0.

[@eskhaphey2873]

considering an armour save can only be improved by +1, making a 2+ save model have a 1+ save, with AP6 this means no save granted... AP6 is the best needed as without any special rule to reduce it, it becomes the perfect AP for 2+sv models

[@douglasrobles-thome7321]

Drones better be getting cheaper to take if they can't take damage anymore

[@matthewrayner571]

Yeah. I don't want to pay 10 points for a gun drone that adds one or two basic shots at a BS5+

[@jfm.d5180]

Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh 😩😩

[@calebbarnhouse496]

​@@jfm.d5180 wow what a mature resource to someone talking about balance

[@Kingofsea7591]

​@Caleb Barnhouse cry more for me please 😂😂😂😂

[@drilltime1237]

@@Kingofsea7591 cringe

[@JakDragonov]

Wondering if my fusion blades coldstar will see some action this edition or if itll continue gathering dust...

[@Matthew-Light]

Very happy with this, no longer needing to take excessive shield and marker drones is nice even if they cant tank damage like they used to before. Was hoping to see some Mont'ka rules and a battlesuit datasheet. Keen to see the rest of the rules for my fish in 10th

[@cenomnestpasvalide2201]

Crisis bombs are going to be devastating whenever they manage to get sustained hit 2. I especially like the idea of a rain of missiles to clear heavy infantery blobs from a distance while ignoring cover. Otherwise i still kinda miss having to choose between shooting and markerlighting with pathfinders, but these rules look very interesting too.

[@Keemperor40K]

Even when observing for 2 units, Pathfinders can still shoot. So they have a lot of versatility now.

[@matthewrayner571]

Ignoring cover if a ML unit observes them - not just any unit.

[@Keemperor40K]

@@matthewrayner571 just put 1 markerlight or a markerlight drone on every unit possible and you always have the Ignores Cover special rule. It's an investment for denying defense options to entire armies.

[@stripeybag6977]

Kauyon and no split fire, welp I'm going to hope the Enclave get a subfaction within the next 3 years cause I hate this. xD

[@nanatheneko]

I'm both eager and terrified to see what they do with the Grey Knights

[@thecasualwargamer5195]

Grey Knights and Thousand Sons will be interesting. I have a feeling that their play styles will change dramatically under 10th.

[@Nose-cv5to]

As someone who likes to play aggressive Tau, its for me a huge nerf

[@niccolomiglio6996]

Same here, man.... it sucks

[@CMTechnica]

Until the codex, at least

[@Nose-cv5to]

@@TheRatsintheWalls the strategy was, run to the points, kill the key units during the first turns, and tank as much as possible, now there will be times of extreme camping xd

[@Nose-cv5to]

@@TheRatsintheWalls I don't think so, since at most it will allow you to run and shoot, but the markerlights gave you a chance to hit well, but now you need support units which won't shoot well for the strong ones to do anything. That seems to me to benefit the campers.

[@TheArchmike]

Keep DFs full of Firewarriors in reserve. Come in Turn 3. Disembark. Roll a million shots hitting twice/thrice on 6's ??? Profit

[@baval5]

The penalty to guided units split firing feels unnecessary. Theyre already getting the penalty of not getting the +1BS, did they really need to get Ork shooting?

[@555tork]

you could always still split fire without using the guided and observer ability since you don't need to use it.

[@baval5]

@@555tork Yeah and then you dont get the +1 to BS on your primary target because B'ill brought a heavy weapon and wants to fire it at an ogryn instead of a guardsman. I dont think "you can just not use your armys benefit" is really a good argument when no one elses, including the ones that traditionally have penalties, dont have penalties on theirs. Especially considering Tau were the first army to have split fire before split fire was even a thing. Split fire is a Tau thing!

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I guess you just guide your specialized units, and have the unit intending to splitfire be the observer.

[@baval5]

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Yeah I guess that works.

[@MrSquark]

Strange how the railgun doesnt have the 'anti-tank' keyword

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

If it did it would be dishing out mortals far more frequently, and rolling a six to hit on turn 3+ would probably guarantee you're taking out anything you're shooting. Insta kill some knights, no save for you buddy!

[@avlaenamnell6994]

if it did it would be insanely op

[@SarajevoKyoto]

Yeah, it's more than a little stupid, but hopefully Hammerheads get cheaper to compensate

[@shooterperson]

Here's hoping a Firesight Marksman gets a similar ability as pathfinders and can observe multiple units for a low low cost of 50-70 points. The idea of having two of these units for about 50% more points than a pathfinder team could be worth trying out if you're able to spot a total of 4 different units while removing their cover.

[@noahfeldman3377]

RiP Danny Dronerson, no more tanking the entire enemy gun line on a 4+ :/

[@Walpurgisnackt]

Perhaps the late game damage boost is meant to make the faction less all or nothing. If they make it to your gun line the stragglers can maybe mop up with their super charged guns

[@Blackcube1013]

All or nothing first turn will come with the Mont’ka detachment in the codex!

[@Duncan40k]

If anything it'll make it more all or nothing very coin flip if your opponent can murder you hard enough that buffs not enough to bring you back into the game, but if you've managed to hide hard against a slow opponent you can probably table them and then loose on primary as you couldn't do anything for 2 turns

[@toastermcgee7245]

Can the path finders forward deploy to screen out enemy units then use there scout move to move back behind cover?

[@SarajevoKyoto]

I think so, as long as they take a Recon Drone along for Infiltrator.

[@JafferR0shak]

I want to know what the Kroot will be getting. Will I finally be able to run a 'viable' Kroot only list?

[@Mag_ladroth]

Will you be adding vespids too?

[@richmcgee434]

Be interesting to see if they'll even have The Greater Good thing at all, or of something on their dataslate replaces it. If they can play spotter that might be a useful role for MSU if they're significantly cheaper than Pathfinders.

[@theswampus670]

@@richmcgee434 yeah, they also might benefit from Kauyon, since it says "Tau Empire" units and Kroot and Vespid had that keyword in 8th and 9th

[@richmcgee434]

@@theswampus670 Very true. Can't see them not getting it, really.

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

would be nice

[@SenorGato237]

I do like that Kauyon rule, very fluffy for the silent hunter style. Lay the trap the first few turns, then spring the trap turn 3+.

[@Duncan40k]

The question is can you afford to not play the mission for 2 turns given what GW's said about making primary more important I doubt it.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@@Duncan40kI think it could be possible, but T'au will remain a "skill gate" army that punishes even the slightest mistake by either player

[@michelecastellotti9172]

I like these changes, something tells me that we may see more missile drones in teams this time around, of course Pathfinders are an autoinclude for obvious reasons and our tanks now can hit on a 2+ if we can organize correctly... love it, this feels even more synergetic than 9th, i feel like im gonna enjoy this edition

[@mrj5552]

i'd be curios to see how this fits in with boarding actions. i've found kauyon more useful in battle actions, as you lose one turn of montka with having to open doors turn one.

[@o0honestguvnor]

Observer Kroot units? I guess no markerlights, but if cover isn't an issue then...?

[@richmcgee434]

Entirely possible, although they might also have something on their dataslate that effectively removes them from the teamwork mechanic. If their MSU is cheap enough relative to other options playing observer sure might be a new role for them.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

They have to be eligible to shoot. Otherwise sure

[@ravenRedwake]

It kind of reminds me of smaller skirmish games where you get bonuses for teaming up your shooting on units. Now if they give us jump shoot jump with our suits…and the ability to shoot in combat…

[@alexisauld7781]

Hot take: Jump-shoot-jump is borderline c*ncer and you should learn to position better :P

[@LowboTheWolf]

Sounds like good changes don't own tau myself but play against them relatively regular and the drones Body blocking for everything was one of the most frustrating mechanics in the game I was fine when it was The shield drone Doing it but when every drone could do it that was crazy Seems like you got a decent profile for the hammerhead as well which is nice Looks like it Just Imperial guard who got Shafted on their main battle tank But oh well I didn't collect guard or chaos because I like being the most powerful 😅

[@ravenRedwake]

7:13 so in 5th edition when I started and chose Enclave tau, there wasn’t any rules benefits to playing hyper aggressive. I just pushed pihranas and drones up in the enemy’s face and melta Mudbone’d their tanks, railgunned the rest and then janitored the rest of the army with battle suit teams.

[@richard_n]

It looks like Tau will have trouble with alpha strike armies at the start of 10th.

[@ColinWhoLikesStuff]

Or pretty much any army

[@snakeeyes5158]

I know everyone says this but we still do not know the rest of the rules for most factions, so we can't say for sure yet.

[@impish4804]

Honnestly the weapons profiles give me hope, no AP loss on missile pods, the rail rifle hurts a lot, which means both broadsides will be super strong in their own roles, and as they want to make the game faster we can expect them to give us back dedicated crisis, which would be super nice ^^

[@chrisjones6792]

Id have liked to flip the bonuses, so that Markerlights gave yoh +1 and a normal spotter just gave the ignores cover. That would make marker lights feel more impactful, and still capture the emphasis on teamwork. Seems fine overall though.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

With how easy it is to get cover this edition, I think marker lights are still going to be really useful!.

[@sergeiyamagoro431]

Did anyone notice in the 40,000 app that the battlesuits' free wargear bits have wildly different rules than they did a week ago?

[@ryanwaits6733]

Drones suffering most from 10th edition streamline. Now basically just WYSIWYG tokens. I wonder if they will even be on the table in most casual games

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Of course they will. Tokens are meant to be used.

[@Mr._Idiot440]

Might as well if you gottem, though if my opponent just says, this dude's got it. Then I won't care

[@dirtyjose3263]

I built and painted them, I'm using them. In casual environments this changes nothing except possibly adding convenience for players who don't or can't use specific drone models (either not having them or not wanting to bother, for instance).

[@matthewrayner571]

No need to be WYSIWYG. As long as both player know that that's a shield drone, not a guardian drone, it doesn't matter. Many non-Tau can't even tell the difference.

[@Voodoowolfe]

Couple of key points that were not stated, the Observer unit can shoot at the Spotted Unit. The rule is just a game mechanic beyond the normal shooting. Second point, you can use this multiple times in a turn. With this, you could even get rid of the 'small unit scout - big unit fire' strategy that Tau have had. You can just have big units with marker lights helping each other out. Opens up some nice army building options.

[@matthewrayner571]

You must be eligible to shoot to be an observer, so you can't have shot already. Observers also can never be Guided in a given shooting phase. So either half of your big units shoot with buffs, the other half spot; or you need some smaller units to spot.

[@Voodoowolfe]

@Matthew Rayner so you take small units, able to be targeted easily by the enemy, and provide a major buff to your big units...and you think the enemy isn't going to wipe them out easily? Why not big units, more durable, and have more redundancy? Plus put your opponent in a bad spot for choices. They either have to kill big blocks of target enhancements or try to whittle down the firepower?

[@cenomnestpasvalide2201]

@@Voodoowolfe Because 10 pathfinders in cover have more wounds than 3 crisis suits for less than half the price and as good a save, and can spot for 2 units. Also If only 1 troopy boy survives, it can still spot (except if battleshocked of course). Small unit don't only include troops though, and as some have said devilfish (and piranhas) could make good spotters. The sky ray would likely be an exception though.

[@Voodoowolfe]

@@cenomnestpasvalide2201 we don't know point values yet. Edit: sorry I was painting a Black Coach and couldn't finish my response. We also don't know the stats for crisis suits. Theme-wise it makes sense to have small units spot for big units but in game terms, you are theoretically trimming points and versatility to fit other things in the army. I was pointing out a alternate way to list build.

[@cenomnestpasvalide2201]

@@Voodoowolfe crisis are unlikely to change much in terms of raw stats imo (except maybe +1 toughness). My points are indeed based on 9th, but unless 10th brings a whole new points rebalance between base troops and elites i don't see it changing that drastically. Also you will take some foot-slogging for mass OC anyway so might as well give them some purpose with spotting. I do agree some other units could be used, but everything points towards lower damaging units beeing more efficient for that purpose. 3 units of pathfinders (likely around 300-350p) could likely spot for 1000p of damage dealers with good positionning. Though obviously that is to confirm with full release

[@OptimusMonk01]

Let's hope that 'Prefect moment' does not make it's way into the printed cards...

[@mireadur]

Liking more this new take than the classical.

[@justinlambert390]

Same but apparently people don't have the same point of views than us

[@555tork]

I am so far mixed i like the changes to drones, was very surprised by pathfinders gaining a 4+ save and think the army ability while worded a bit poorly is potentially a very useful ability I would have liked to see other units as well to get a better idea of the changes.

[@ryc03]

My question now is: Are Kroots and Vespids going to benefit from the Army rules?

[@LeCharles07]

I like these. It sucked to realize that I was going to get hit with full Blast effect because my squads with drones are 12 models.

[@randomusernameCallin]

I would not mind some more details about what "eligible to shoot" means. Does it mean a unit that have not shot yet since that would change the firing order. With an incresed focus on reactive play, the order of attack can have an impact. Does it mean being within range of the units weapons?

[@jonede6759]

I'm really confused about the marker drones ability. Why does it mention marking another unit if the unit advances. Also if you take 2 marker drones in a stealth team and you should be able to do spotting 3 total units from the stealth squad....I'm sure I'm missing something

[@alphamav3rickgaming]

I think one of the craziest thing about this preview if I’m understanding it correctly is that if you load up a Fire Warrior or Breacher squad with two shield drone they all become 3 wound infantry

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Nah, only the model that took the shield drones.

[@theswampus670]

not quite, it says the "Bearer" gets +1 wound, so a single model at 2 wounds. Guardian drones on the other hand say the "Unit" which means every model gets -1 to wound rolls against it.

[@AnEnormousNerd]

It only applies to the bearer, not the unit. So you'd just get a 2 wound model.

[@SerpensRgn]

thankfully, you are not understanding correctly, given that the wording on the shield drone's rules specifically refers to "bearer", and an entire squad cannot be a "bearer", otherwise the term "unit" would have been used.

[@andrewc1442]

However, if my memory serves me drones were a unit upgrade regardless of type. Now we haven't seen what the new rules are for adding them to units. Unless I've missed it somewhere. So we're kind of in a limbo until we see them. For all we know shield drones may not be an allowable piece of warmer for troop units.

[@Leonix13]

This is mostly nerfs across the board. Must focus fire on spotted unit or penalized. Must choose Kauyon (or Mont'ka) before battle and Kauyon loses the fall back and shoot. Drones as wargear means easier to get down to battle shock numbers and Tactical Drone unit is removed. Guns look like they are where they should be, but beyond that all nerfs imo.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Needing to focus fire the spotted unit seems little different from what you would do with markerlights anyway

[@Leonix13]

@Kamike Serpentail if you split fire in 10th you face a penalty, instead of just no hit benefit.

[@555tork]

@@Leonix13 you only suffer that penalty if you use the ability and then split fire, if that is something you are planning to do with a unit don't guide them,

[@Leonix13]

@@555tork making us choose not to use a buff is a nerf

[@555tork]

@@Leonix13 then your just shooting as you currently do so if anything it isn't nerf it's just not a buff, sidegrade is the term i think.

[@younan5011]

Will be interesting to see what order ya will have to shoot things in if enermy armies have abilitys to move when people start shooting so spotted units could potentially move outbof way of guided units

[@TheHalfrican5]

"You know that Philosophy of War that quite literally NO ONE used? Yeah make that how you have to play the army for the next year and a half."

[@Pers0n97]

Ha yes, the good ol "minies that arent minies" because that never proved to be a bad idea, ever.

[@AscendedFox]

How will the Drone no longe a Unit work with a Sniper Drone Squad? Or will some dones still be stand alone units?

[@drachenmagus1604]

I think the Pathfinders are going to be a critical unit in Tau armies but as MSU observer spamming; however I think the special weapons will be skipped and same with the drones. They cost too much and don't do enough. Would be better to invest points some place it. Maybe a single Railgun or Ion Rifle as they have a 30" range so then they would technically be eligible to shoot a unit 30" away and make their observer ability further than 20" with the carbine (If I am understanding the Greater Good ability right). Recon drone only if its cheap.

[@richmcgee434]

"They cost too much..." You literally have no idea at all what anything in this entire edition costs.

[@CowardlyViking]

It depends if 'Eligible to shoot' means they have to be in range. To my understanding, it just needs to be visible to both units.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@lewipitcher8064 It's a bit confusing, they mention both guidelines in the rule. "Eligible to shoot" seems RAI, as it deliberately neutralizes the non-LoS nerfs with a markerlight, which is how Pathfinders are supposed to work anyways. Hoping it gets FAQ'd.

[@jimmysmith2249]

I like the hammerhead rail gun. Stats look scary, but not a horror like the 9th one.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Normal shooting looks alright. But after turn 3 it can be really scary on a 6 to hit, and absolutely devastating if you get any 6's after that

[@cenomnestpasvalide2201]

Appart from the ignore invulns, it has the same relative stats. And still basically ignore invuls on 6s, with the benefit of sustained hits if on turn 3+. The potential is bigger to me, but it is less auto-remove most of the time, yes.

[@Mirkomir_Blobszczonowicz]

Well, quite interesting new rules for drones. I am wondering how drone controll will work (and sniper drones!). Wish that there would be option for no LoS shooting while guided with missiles.

[@SarajevoKyoto]

There is, markerlights explicitly neutralize the non-LoS nerfs

[@Mirkomir_Blobszczonowicz]

@@SarajevoKyoto I didn't think about it. :D I still remember the description of first human's warfare againt the Tau and the part of massive guided missile barrage ^^. And there was poing in my brain, as I was only WFB lover and WH40K was...meeeh (railgun, plasma, ion and all kind of weird and guided missiles are my favourites, add mechs and the idea of greater good, so basically most of the fluff and i was pulled by WH40K :D)

[@SarajevoKyoto]

@@Mirkomir_Blobszczonowicz Actually now that I read it again, there's some ambiguity whether it affects non-LoS weapons or not. I'm hoping it gets FAQ'd

[@XV15stealth]

No battlesuit rules?

[@pmc1727]

First the humies, then the bugz, now the blue gitz?!? It’s time to Waaagh and show them Orks need a faction focus!

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Point prices are being reworked across every data sheet, so 10 points in 9th =/= 10 points in 10th.

[@liamalbiges7748]

I was hoping Drukhari, but since I wouldnt like to get in the way of a Waaaaagh, after you sir!

[@marcialrodriguez6285]

FAKTION FOKUZ!*

[@Surge7-hs63k]

Oh well.... As long as we get a ton of new TAU MDELS !!!!!!!!!!!

[@maijin007]

So long as Kroot can be used as Guiders, this all sounds cool.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

As far as I can tell, Kroot can shoot so they can guide, but Kroot hounds cannot so they won't be able to.

[@joshsmith1179]

Thanks Auspex. Genuine question for the T'au players: with drones being gear now, what are you going to do with your drone models?

[@Mr._Idiot440]

Cry... Jk. I'll still play 9th as well honestly. I actually like fiddly rules so I won't mind jumping back and forth between the editions

[@CowardlyViking]

They are recommend to still use as tokens to mark which squads have what. They just don't count for things like line of sight or model count any more.

[@dirtyjose3263]

Use them? Like, WYSIWYG is still a thing in many places.

[@joshsmith1179]

@@Mr._Idiot440 Lol. I know the feeling, but I'm glad you play both. That should soften the blow some.

[@joshsmith1179]

@@CowardlyViking Oh, ok. Cool. At least you can make use of them

[@northerner3861]

I see a form of Devilfish cheesedickery that costs a CP... *starts having nightmare flashbacks to the Fish of Fury days* (Yes, I know, this is a few orders of magnitude less awful)

[@claytonisgaming5170]

I like the pathfinder save fix, I hope they let you add more drones then the war gear list too.

[@peterandjunko]

It will actually give them a semblance of durability in cover.

[@adhdengineer]

i wished they'd covered what they're doing with the crisis suits loadout points, the way it is in 9th each weapon of the same type costs incrementally more points to take, which is stupid. I do hope they get away from that for 10th

[@XealotCoils]

No, I don't want to see missile spam anymore.

[@555tork]

@@XealotCoils i think the problem is that they gave the suits too many hard points should have been max 2 guns and 1 support system.

[@tamasstrenner633]

How do you know what these keywords mean? [Heavy] [Devastating] etc. Where were they explained? Can someone point me to the article or something? :) Thanks!

[@Marqhll]

I think that even though drones in units will count as Wargear I think you will still be able to take some drones as units.

[@DareToWonder]

Do plus 1s and -1 still cap at 1?

[@jorjthemorj]

Yes but BS skill improved not +1 to hit so doesn’t count

[@40kEvilEd209]

All I can say is that every army better have some sort of dedicated anti-tank profile weapon. With multi-melts a less then what they used to be, I can see several armies that are going to struggle with tanks otherwise. The Tau are clearly going to be fine!

[@fateweaver9844]

I mean Sisters can use MD to wound tanks quite easily with MM. DG MIGHT struggle but we don't know what the Entropy Cannon does. Every army is going to have dedicated tank busters or mechanics to wound them easier (lethal hits, mortal hits). I love that tanks can you know, tank damage for the most part. And I don't have tank heavy armies so I'm not biased either way

[@40kEvilEd209]

@@fateweaver9844 MM are only STR 9 now. So they wound Rhinos on a 5+. I don’t consider a weapons that is not wounding tanks 66% of the shots that hit as reliable anti-tank. Do you?

[@fateweaver9844]

@@40kEvilEd209 Obviously the MM is no longer antitank. It really wasn't when tanks had AV either. In 3rd edition LR was AV14. MM needed a 6 to glance, 6 to destroy. If you were at 1/2 you could roll 2 dice for damage and chose what you kept. MM only became "kill everything" once AV went away and LR went to T8 and basically became useless. The Lascannon was ALWAYS the antitank, antimonster gun.

[@40kEvilEd209]

@@fateweaver9844 and where are my poor Sisters anti-tank then? 3 exorcists? That’s it?

[@fateweaver9844]

@@40kEvilEd209 We don't know what Penitent buzz blades do or Paragon maces. 5s to wound with Excorsist missles is doable with MD. I'm honestly glad to see tanks and apc's aren't just steel coffins anymore. Our tanks have gotten tougher as well.

[@jonttopia]

These rules seem quite fun and hopefully quite powerful. Although I had hoped they would do something to prevent Tau games from being so lopsided and playing the same no matter what. Especially with kauyon I feel like many games will feel very samey, just holding back, letting the enemy score point early and hoping you can destroy them turn 3 and scramble to catch up on points afterwards. Similarly the opponent will either have to score as much as possible early and hope you can't catch up or try to take you put early and risk overextending, might be a bit feelbad.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

While it might be "samey" some of the time, at least it will make for close games. I think that was the idea. Put T'au on the backfoot on purpose at the start, and let them try to stage a big comeback win. I can see this kind of game being fun for both players at least.

[@jonttopia]

@@andrewbakescakes9684 it can absolutely be a fun game, however if every game you play with the army is the same you kinda grow bored of playing that army quite no matter what. Hopefully the codex, whenever that is released, will give Tau some options to spice up the game a bit.

[@fabr1cat0rgeneral94]

It feels like they're hemming Tau in and forcing them to play as firing castles...which is what everyone always complains about when facing Tau. The fact that right out of the gate they completely slashed *half* of the Tau's tactical doctrine is also just baffling to me. Are the FSE getting their own release before the codex drops, or are the Mont'ka players like me just going to be left hanging until then?

[@SarajevoKyoto]

​@andrewbakescakes9684 As someone who tried to make Kauyon work for the entirety of 9th, trust me...there will be exactly zero close games. T'au will just lose.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

@@jonttopia - Isn't that true of every army though?

[@narlescoleman2312]

I'm worried about unit size if this is the new way

[@Duncan40k]

That's the big worry I have with characters now joining units and the 8th edition codex locking us into 10 model minimum units That's a lot of points to be having to spend for the chance to use your army ability that frankly if Crisis suits get forced to take mixed loadouts or riptide and broadsides and stormsurges honestly won't want to use anyway

[@CalfOnTheRun]

As an avid tau player the drone nerfs are actually huge. They were the only thing allowing us to contest midfield with the extra durability

[@liamalbiges7748]

Regarding the strategem, would there be any instances where the transport is not eligable to be a target for the charge? And if so, would happen if the charging unit has no eligable targets? Doesnt seem to mention in the rules

[@555tork]

if the transport was further away than the infantry unit that got inside and was out of the max charge range it would be an ineligible target, presumably if the unit no longer had any possible charge targets they would not get to charge.

[@CaptainKeen]

So how is shield drone going to work? If you have it in an infantry squad, does it just give one guy +1 wound? How do you track who it's attached to? Or is it attached to the unit and gives that buff to the entire unit?

[@shadowmancy9183]

Might go to the Sergeant.

[@Fortheweak13]

So a guided hammerhead in battle round 3--4-5 can potentially do between 21 and 36 mortal wound with 1 initial dice throw ... Sounds mad

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

Clarifying because of how I read it previously. First rolls to hit. On a 6 sustained triggers and it lands three hits. Then those three roll to wound. Any 6's there trigger devastating wounds and become mortals. So to actually pull 36 mortal wounds, going to need seven sixes in this attack

[@Fortheweak13]

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Never said it was easy to achieve

[@matthewrayner571]

You shouldn't really base judgement off of the statistical maximum.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

@@matthewrayner571 you have to, especially if you're comparing weapons. You have to have something similar in other armies.

[@Fortheweak13]

@@matthewrayner571 it’s not a judgement it’s an observation.

[@youtousim]

Regarding Pathfinders Infiltration vs Scout: Is it confirmed that they exclude each other in 10th?

[@HandofBlake]

Making the special weapons have ballistic skill 5+ seems harsh.

[@555tork]

not really if you move with them in 9th you are hitting on 5+ anyway

[@HandofBlake]

@@555tork I get it. Just seems weird that they are terrible shots with their bigger guns lol

[@555tork]

@@HandofBlake it's just baked in the heavy penalty they currently have in 9th then letting the bonus for remaining stationary for new heavy counteract it, a bit unorthodox i guess but can see the reasoning.

[@UnknownEntity334]

Very interesting effects

[@JasMill765]

These changes mean you can model drones onto the base/model that they are for, instead of needing to put them on their own base. Nice, much easier to transport and play with!

[@mrj5552]

as a noob, i couldn't figure out when my drones got attacked, and when my unit they were attache to got hit. so i like this. now i can keep the drones in the back of my unit out of the way, and i have cool sci fi things floating around my space weebs.

[@mentok1]

I'm quite surpised the tactical philosophies isn't the faction ability.

[@smeekma]

I really like that GW is trying to make things more simplified and streamlined for 10th edition, it should make the game easier to pick up for new players. I have a few friends that I recently introduced to the 40k universe, I can't wait until 10th releases so I can teach them how to play.

[@jeremiahshepard6566]

Very upsetting about the drones, I have mostly build shield drones.... so now they are just for aesthetic or might just not use them if the rules are on each datasheet and you cant modify then...

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

They give an extra wound. 4++ basically just negated an attack half the time. I don't see why people are claiming they're useless when they don't even know how much they cost.

[@jeremiahshepard6566]

@@kamikeserpentail3778 The problem is I have multiple when now its a static buff so you wouldnt have more than 1. Also if they are set drones/abilities different to each squad I dont have them built for the needed 😔

[@connorjensen9699]

I feel like we lost some tau flavor with the markerlights. Those were always a core part of it for me

[@Bodya_CN]

I just bought 30 custom-made tokens for them T_T

[@richmcgee434]

And your opponents hated them, because it was a bunch of fiddly counters to deal with every turn. The less crap on the map there is besides minis the better.

[@Mr._Idiot440]

​@@Bodya_CN that's rough buddy. Don't worry though you can still use them as like secondary score keeping maybe.

[@oz2362]

​@@richmcgee434 awwwww poor opponents getting a small inconvenience which overall improves the experience of the game. What ever will they do.

[@crustman5982]

@@Bodya_CN you can use them for kill team if you want 🤷‍♂️

[@GenSphinx]

The days of shooting through a billion drones to finally hit models that do the real damage is gone!

[@matthewrayner571]

Yeah, as a Tau player I still think that was needed. No way was me intercepting a world-ending plasma-laser-hellfire-wychblood-destructor with a single 1W drone anything but ridiculous. Like this can pass through a mountain... I don't think one drone will halt its path.

[@bradenkropp7956]

Ya gun drones are like that in grimdark. They still might be their own squad though. Poor gun drones 😞