Drop Pull or Push? How the Tour Professionals start their arms down.

This video shows you how to start your arms down in the downswing with the help of a very important muscle called the Latissimus.
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[@roberthill886]

I am a very technical person. And I really appreciated this video. I’m a firm believer, that if you understand the concept, that things become easier. Just a couple of swings working on this concept has really given me the effect that I’ve been trying to manufacture.

[@dustinlines2181]

Omg THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!. I am a very big strong guy who has been struggling with an early release since I was a Jr. golfer. What a video the idea to "row" that left shoulder with the lat. is what I have been missing for years. After 1 bucket of balls you can't whipe the smile off my face. Trying for year to lag the hands or drop the arms (pull the bell") but was never in position to actually make that work. I'm a trainer and very familiar with my body so the thought to row and engage the lat was very easy to feel. That one thought has also not only increased my lag and distance but it forced my right elbow into the proper tucked position and holly hell I shit ypu not probably gained 30 yards in 1 bucket of balls with the driver. Liked,Subbed and forever greatful to your channel.

[@wraithconscience]

Beautifully explained and demonstrated -- again! Thanks Jonathan!

[@adamhazelwood5282]

Great video. This is the swing key for me that allows me to keep it simple.

[@dougfabrizio2794]

This is the most helpful description of what muscles to feel on the right side I’ve ever heard. Thank you

[@tombain5665]

Excellent explanation really clarifys the importance of transition

[@cloudsrain8753]

Good instruction, never knew that muscle was attached to arm.Ty.

[@99lutzlutzlutz]

Super Erklärung. Ich wünschte, irgend ein Trainer hätte mir das mal erzählt. Ich hätte viele Jahre am falschen herum probieren eingespart. Das macht viel Sinn und ist kein Quick Fix. Vielen Dank dafür!!

[@lisashofner2170]

Very helpful. This was the best explanation I have seen about bringing the arms down. Thank you

[@warrendavis9458]

Excellent analysis Jonathan.

[@amirhashm1]

Best explanation I've seen and I've seen too many! Thx so much for this Jonathan

[@Rick9482]

For such a technical subject, you communicated that very well. I've never heard anybody talk about the back swing in that fashion before. Enough info to get me to subscribe. I'm most particularly into the Stack and Tilt camp and all things Hogan. Saguto Golf is my guy but your interesting.

[@profpat70]

Pure Gold!

[@johngoodwin5739]

Excellent explanation! I’ve been wanting this information for so long!

[@ML-wb5pj]

He’s right to the best of my knowledge as anytime I have actively tried to use the arms in the downswing the result is terrible. I think that getting the arms arranged in the backswing into a good position to be pulled down is fine, but thats as far as it goes.

[@jammuu]

Perfect explanation.

[@HiralPatel007]

John Malkovich teaching golf without the accent...lol - Man I had to do double takes like wait a min.

[@fred1606]

LOL

[@chrissvensson3724]

Hahahaha

[@BobJones-ci7nn]

Bob Jones Australia love your videos great content

[@michaelsparks8632]

Golden!

[@DavidMontebello1]

thanks for the explanation

[@briankidd7037]

Excellant - Another piece of the jigsaw that no one else mentions. Many thanks

[@JonathanTaylor63]

You're very welcome

[@edwardbrost331]

Great video,Bryson Dechambeau uses this technique as his swing thought.

[@antoncrouse1470]

My first visit to your site.. Well done, and I will sibscribe.

[@dickyrock1]

Thanks pal, nice lesson

[@larsspannenburg]

Excellent video! THX

[@joeg6294]

Very helpful, thank you!

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Glad it was helpful!

[@luisportelar]

After watching hundreds of videos and taking some golf lessons, now I understand that the " Latissimus bending "(first time I heard of it) will make a huge difference in my golf swing and will avoid topping the ball. Thank you very much.

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Glad it was helpful!

[@immoveableone]

Very helpful...thank you.

[@-OEG]

i feel like It's John Malkovich talking to me. Nice video !

[@dansay6709]

YES!

[@harlanroeser7546]

Excellent! Combined with the slight rotation of the right shoulder in sort of a circular rotation, I can feel the downswing much better. Again, Lee Deitrick had me way back in the 80's try to form a figure 8 in my backswing which put all your ideas in practice! Back at it with much more gusto! Great!

[@ko9306]

Thank you

[@22joebaseball]

Excellent stuff! It’s basically a side-arm throwing motion which is largely controlled by the lattisimus. Never though about that particular muscle but that seems like a hugely helpful concept

[@krenkes]

This worked well for me! Feels much more controlled and not as much issue with flipping the club at impact.

[@richardjeffrey2356]

Excellent

[@masonkim7]

you have guys who approach KZbin golf videos by 'follow step 1 and then 2, this angle, this speed etc.' and you have Jonathan who gives us the meta, macro elements of golf. Thank you Jonathan for your insight.

[@jhudson19956]

If I lived closer I would visit his school. Love his way of explaining things.

[@jhudson19956]

Thank you for the like Mr.Taylor. Our daughter lives in Rheda-Wiedenbrück. Maybe one day.

[@jhudson19956]

Worked on this yesterday. Added a club length by the end of a 2 hour range session.

[@jbplunkett1]

Great description of the trail shoulder in the transition and how the arms “drop”. Yes, conscious, deliberate, muscular contraction but not of arms, but of right latissimus beginning the right side bend.

[@davewade6742]

I think this is one of your best video's Jonathan with tremendous detail on this major move on getting the arm's down correctly. The influence first of the shoulder movement descending and 'rowing' followed by the crunching of the thoracic spine as opposed to the old adage of 'pull your arm's down like ringing the bell' is so important. Great stuff and I don't like to think of your information as 'tips' which implies a 'sticking plaster' fix but more as well founded instruction.

[@AR-ke8wg]

Hey, great stuff. Can u please add what elbow is doing. U have mentioned it before, elbow angel extend, But can u add some detail on how it relates to the side bend with the latissimus.

[@gateslattes4686]

Great video. :))

[@dansantucci2783]

This video seems to be inconsistent with your prior videos that said to "actively pull the arms down" to get them arms onto plane??

[@JamesFend]

Wow... I’ve watched hundreds of KZbin videos on downswing transitions and this is one of the best explained and well spoken ones I’ve seen. Thanks! Liked and subscribed.

[@pjpcadet]

Nice video ! When I start the downswing I just focus on my left back muscles , keeping my shoulders closed a bit longer before impact and my hips clear naturally letting me hitting the ball with max speed through a light pressure on the grip. It works. I like the way you explain this biomechanics facts!! I subscribe …

[@James-rb8pr]

So when my coach tells me to 'pull the chain' on my downswing (along a line he drew on the video) that's old school and this is more natural, modern way to achieve the pulling of the arm down with back muscle. Great video - makes sense to put the lats in play here.

[@armike234]

Lol. Pro golfers top 20 talk about pulling the club. Nicklaus talks about pulling the club. I dont know if you know who Nicklaus is I think it is Good to follow his lead

[@peterweir3966]

@@armike234 congratulations on know nothing about the nicklaus swing.

[@mileshurst7359]

good job. thx.

[@lukejuras8024]

I tried this approach all last year with really bad and inconsistent results, but as soon as I tried pulling the butt of the club towards the golf ball at the beginning of my downswing, the results were like night and day. So I think you need to at least include the idea of "ringing the bell" which means pulling on the club towards the ball, then figure out how to make that work with the rest of the transition.

[@aliiqbalhanif1807]

Made my swing a lot more natural. Thanks a lot!

[@danielseo2545]

At 3:30: “What a lot of people don’t know is that the latissimus is actually connected to the arm, somewhere under the BICEPT,” while pointing to his tricep. You’re right, guy... I did not know that.

[@gonzalohiguain2589]

you also don't know that triceps has an 's'

[@thomastrullsr4559]

I like it

[@einstu]

Are you sitting on the bar stool at the same time, ie is it the left heel that is doing this shoulder drop, latissimus pull?

[@jaautre7482]

“Know body knows” wow

[@tomeldridge2915]

Jonathon, watching this explanation regarding the muscles made me think of the swimming backstroke. If one just pulled the shoulder forward the arm would come out of the water. Does this analogy make sense? Thanks

[@davehill5539]

Interesting

[@brucerussell5469]

Great work Jonathan! This is insight and instruction of real value and the highlight of how and when the Lat contracts is real gold. Golf means so much to me and I can not thank you enough for your investment in my passion.. thanks again, Bruce

[@KingKong-pw4ed]

🏆

[@ddpronto1]

Jonathan, many thanks, this is very timely! I have been working on how to shallow the club and getting the trail elbow to drop into the side more and was wondering if it was a drop or a pull, etc. By focusing a bit on the right Lat while making the right side "scrunch" move, the trail elbow finds that spot all by itself! Bought your Philosophy and subscribed. I enjoy the manner at which you explain things more philosophically than parts and pieces of various moves. Cheers!

[@Hmoob4u]

Golf could be the most complicated sport in all!!!

[@tomnelson8515]

PGA wants to make it difficult and complicated in order to sell stuff that supposedly makes it simple.

[@moonlightmelodrama]

Isn’t the timing key the right hip? Should the hip and the club face reach impact point at the same time?

[@Wooduck]

How about all three they just happen in different sequences.

[@Andrew-kk2ry]

Only about 400 swing thoughts. What do you say we go to an even 500?

[@Rich-in6ds]

This video contradicts itself constantly. You don’t pull the arms but you do use the shoulder and lats to pull the arms - which is pulling the arms. They are the two muscles that control arm movement in the shoulder joint. When you watch pros like Rory there is clear arm pull in the downswing. If you leave the arms passive and rotate your hips and body fast, the arms get stuck behind you and you can’t deliver the face without compensations. You do pull the arms, the key piece to understand is the direction. It’s not down or straight at the ball, it’s actually the opposite direction to your initial rotation - that creates lag and drops the right shoulder

[@ronmortimer252]

My latissimus was out of sync with my razzamatazamus leading to the unfortunate condition spassamatrophy. I'm beginning to despairalot. :)

[@sumsar0125]

I know right? Talk about overcomplicating the golf swing.

[@MrDogfish83]

@@sumsar0125 I've never really been a fan of "grip it and rip it" but after watching this video...

[@sumsar0125]

@@MrDogfish83 Find your own happy medium, a swing feel you can replicate over and over without thinking about activating individual muscles. That's just crazy. Pick your target, visualize the ball going there and feel the swing imo.

[@MrDogfish83]

@@sumsar0125 I get something that lasts about a month then it's gone--then I get something again for another month, repeat...

[@sumsar0125]

@@MrDogfish83 I've been through that several times myself haha. Golf can be a frustrating game but at the same time very enjoyable when you've got somewhat of a clue.

[@m4wilson]

Great video! “Begin the downswing as your hands get to shoulder height.” That’s a great thought! Is the feeling like the head or shoulder stays the same distance from the club as long as possible during the downswing a good thought at all? This is forcing me to do the side bend crunch. Thoughts?

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Could work in the practice swing to get the feel, but not with the ball.

[@kennyc3670]

So, passive arms and a body-powered, connected swing?

[@jeffberger7890]

Jonathan, if you could only have one downswing thought, would it be breaking the knees or crunching your right lat muscle ?

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Better to have no swing thoughts,drill your swing and trust it!

[@quantumpotential7639]

So you want to get the feeling that your s t r e t c h I n g your right lat as it your swing down? Same withe left lat too? I'm other words, strong lats with loose arms is the key?? Thanks

[@shaboob7604]

Bicept. Make your you keep your gluteust maximust out aswell

[@weedote1]

I would very much appreciate an advice about when these brill movements become dangerous for my spine.

[@JonathanTaylor63]

If you are turning your hips correctly your lumber spine is less likely to cause you problems as your Thoracic is doing the bending.

[@bonjovi7120]

Bha ha this is so funny. Good luck getting any weekend golfer to do this😂😂😂😂

[@ArtJorgensen]

Or to understand it!

[@evaneezy]

Rotation causing the club to lag behind then throw the club at the ball

[@mikeleemon]

Great lesson, thank you. If I apply this, do I have to worry about all the lessons and talk about "swallowing the arms?" Doesn't this lesson naturally shallow them? Thanks.

[@JonathanTaylor63]

This will naturally shallow the shaft if you let it.

[@ko9306]

So I didn’t get the answer? How do the pro golfers do it...is it the muscle you are discussing....I have never heard of using this muscle...maybe you could expand on it..as I do learn a lot from your coaching

[@JonathanTaylor63]

It is the trail shoulder muscles and Latissimus that start the arm swing, the lead arm will feel like it is pulling as it braces against your golf clubs momentum at the end of your back-swing and during the transition.

[@davidoug22]

If your arms are passive and you just turn with the muscle. Where does the power st impact come from.? I get the first part but if I just turn and leave arms passive it'd going to be a very weak and stiff impact..have u a video on thr next stage after the turn ? Thanks

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Coming soon

[@bonjovi7120]

Power is all in your hands. Just watch the Remax long drive guys

[@davidoug22]

@@bonjovi7120 shut up...

[@bossdawg165]

I enjoyed this video because you sound just like John Malkovich lol

[@jonnynordstrom5785]

Your lead arm cant be pinned to your chest forever it has to come of right? Dont u have to do that using work done by the arms?

[@JonathanTaylor63]

In the part of the swing described in the video the lead arm will be pulled down by the trail shoulder and the trail side bend caused by the Latissimus and Oblique muscles.

[@jonnynordstrom5785]

@@JonathanTaylor63 thx for ur respond. Does the arms ever have to do a work of their own in ur opinion? Hands should reach max speed pretty early in the downswing, is this mainly done by the shoulder and lat?

[@smoozerish]

Let it fall

[@Rd-bi7vr]

Modern instructors fail to mention a critical insight..” the tension created from a properly executed back swing/ body turn, automatically creates a forward motion of the lower body before the back swing is complete”.

[@howrdhill4700]

These are all Hogan one plane moves. What if your more of an upright swing. Two plane. Phil Freddy??

[@JonathanTaylor63]

This will just cause the club to loop more into the downswing.

[@dementus420]

Which professional doesn't start their body moving as their arms are completing their backswing? I'm curious now.

[@dsc-nr5zy]

Hideki Matsuyama

[@dementus420]

@@dsc-nr5zy oh yeah, he does have that pause there. You're right. It's not quite as prevalent in his swing as it once was though.

[@simmo5071]

Do they turn the hips?

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Yes, without turning their hips the sequence wouldn‘t work.

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[@michaeldodd6864]

This misses a key opportunity. The hands have to get in front of the right hip BEFORE the hip turns!!! See Chris Ryan or Porzak for the more complete explanation!!!

[@brianmenendez]

Hideki Matsuyama pauses at the top of his backswing and can hit it 300yds

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Correct 👍

[@bjaustin5995]

Pretty sure that’s exactly who JT was thinking of when he paused at that point in the video.

[@mikerodrick2430]

Drop.

[@jerryjohnson9531]

Too complicated for me. Sounds like Sean Foley who helped ruin Tiger's swing at one point.

[@m3toz4]

None of the above, throw the club head by your HANDS in the circle correctly from the top and your ARMS should move correctly and your body should react accordingly. --- Mike Austin.

[@JonathanTaylor63]

And if it doesn't work you could always go fishing:)

[@m3toz4]

@@JonathanTaylor63 seriously it is about reaction. The muscle should be fired base on the right stimulation or intention.

[@JonathanTaylor63]

Sorry Hung, we will have to agree to disagree 👍

[@dogloverjb6873]

no i don't care how the tour professionals get their arms down... 90% of us can't relate to the pro swings. please teach a swing amateurs can relate to.