Dual Boiler Machines - The Big Boys of Home Espresso!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Great comparison, superbly done, fun and informative, thank you

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Orrin, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

[@NoQuinn]

Hello, thank you for these instructive videos. Im in the middle of a questioning, i have a budget for the r58, can you recommend another espresso machine that is worth it in this price range ? If you were in my place with an r58 budget which machine would you rather have for domestic use ? Thank you very much

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi NQ, Thanks for the question. My favorite dual boiler is the ECM Synchronika w/Flow Control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control Marc

[@NoQuinn]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your answer, it's really interesting can you tell me how many minutes after switching on the machine can be used? And I would like to know if the machine can be programmed to turn on automatically in the morning. If this is not possible, what do you suggest?

[@hifi2169]

Mark, I have a Breville dual boiler the the 920 model. If I bought the Breville naked Portafilter would I be able to use a 20g VST competition filter? I have heard that it would not work, and I’ve also heard it suggested that it would? So I’m kind of confused please give me some truth. Also are their any other upgrades to BDB you would recommend? thank you sir!

[@ninagamble9150]

Thank you so much for putting together this video. Has helped alot. Just purchased a QM67 with flow control! Still learning :)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Nina, We have a lot of info on getting the most out of flow control. Here's a great placer to start: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/intro-to-calculating-flow-rate-on-e61-group-machines Marc

[@ninagamble9150]

Thank you, Marc.

[@JonathanKourkoutis]

HI MARK, Im looking at the Rocket Mozzy TYPE R and the Pro 600? Which one is best???

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JK, I do like the Pro 600 with dual boilers. More consistently accurate brew temps and ability to adjust steam pressure and brew temp independently. Pro 600 uses a vibration pump and is not plumbable direct to waterline. The Rocket Type R uses a rotary pump and is plumbable direct to waterline. Marc

[@SteveKourkoutis]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Mark. Also ive been looking at the Lelit Bianca V3? What do you think of that one??

[@camerongates1505]

Hello. Do you have an instructional video about how to replace the stock shower screen with the Baristapro nanotech screen as well as the yellow gasket you highlight? Thanks so much! Doing some final research before purchasing a Profitec or ECM machine.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CG, Thanks for the question. I do not have a specific video on replacing the group gasket and shower screen. I have done it in a few videos but with about 1300 total I'm having a tough time remembering which one to point you to. But, The process is very simple. Remove the old/original group gasket using something pointy like a very small bladed srewdriver or metal pick tool. You just pry out the gasket by getting the tool between the outer edge of the gasket and metal lip of the channel in which it resides. Work it out a bit at time moving around the gasket. When it's mostly free it can be pulled out. The shower screen is held in place by the friction of the gasket so it will come free and usually drops out with the gasket. Installation is reverse of removal. Mount the shower screen in the gasket then work the gasket into the channel in the group. Hope that helps and sorry I'm having trouble locating the video where I demonstrate! Marc

[@seanfaulk9862]

Nice video Marc. I am really enjoying these live streams. Looking forward to the flow control demonstration in a week or so. I think what would really be interesting would be a side by side comparison of a flow control machine and a pressure profiling machine; say the ECM Synchronika and the Vesuvius. Pull a variety of profiles from each machine and talk about the differences and/or similarities and what you like about each. I would like to see which type machine has the most profound effect on a good quality single origin coffee. I've been roasting coffee at home for several years now and want to start playing around with flow control/pressure profiling, but not really sure if one process is clearly superior to the other. A side by side comparison would answer a lot of questions I'm sure others have as well. Thanks again for the great videos and stay safe!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi sean, Thanks for the comment and suggestion. I'll see what I can do but do not have access to a Vesuvius at the moment :(. I do have a Dalla Corte Mina: www.wholelattelove.com/products/dalla-corte-mina-110v which takes flow control and a whole lot more to the next level. Also have a LM GS3. I'll likely start with a single profile per live stream. Thinking about one machine with FC and same (or very similar) machine without FC and pulling shots side by side. Marc

[@seanfaulk4241]

@@Wholelattelovepage Sounds like a plan. That Dalla Corte Mina would be my dream machine.

[@saritam9734]

Hi Marc! Great video like always! I have an ECM synchronika and have been having fun experimenting on it. I do have a question though about steaming on it. Is it okay to steam different types of nut milks in it? I know you must purge the wand afterwards but since the milks are made from nuts is there a higher chance of nut particles that can get inside the wand and clog it or get into the boiler? I also have the same question about steaming milk with chocolate in it. Any help with these questions would be appreciated. Thank you!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Sarita, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Happy to hear you are having fun with your Synchronika! No problem steaming non-diary milks. As with dairy milks always be sure and purge the wand before and immediately after steaming any milk. That will keep things running smoothly and prevent milk of any variety getting into the boiler. No need to be concerned about nut particles. I think it's best to add chocolate after steaming. But you could try prior. It's honestly not something I've done but thinks it's highly unlikely to cause any problems so long as you purge quickly after steaming. Marc

[@mjmjersey]

Thank you for responding Mark I just bought my second machine from you guy finally got the profitec 700 Pro my kitchen is in the middle of a remodel right now. So I will not be able to plumb the machine in right now. I bought the filter to put inside the water reservoir can I do any kind of a pre-infusion with the reservoir

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Michael, Thanks for the question and your patronage. Pro 700 is an excellent machine. Beyond the standard E61 pre-infusion you can raise the lever to the point just before the pump turns on and you will get a small amount of brew water applied to the coffee. It's more of a pre-wetting as there no real pressure behind it. If you have flow control on your Pro 700 you can do long pre-infusions with a low flow rate from the reservoir. Marc

[@mjmjersey]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks again Marc.!!

[@Flikk.]

Thanks for all the work you do, Mark. My question is this., I just purchased the Profitec 600 with FC and paired it with the Mignon Specialità grinder. I am trying to achieve a baseline for my grinder (using Verve , Sermon beans) but I am struggling big time. With the addition of the FC I am not sure where to begin. Do I figure out a FC setting that mimics no installed FC on the machine and then dial in the grinder. Thank for the help!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi James, You are welcome and thank you for the question. ps. my work is fun! Anyway... I would start by dialing in grind with flow control set to mimic stock flow rate of ~8g/sec. That should be in the neighborhood of 1 and 1/4 turns open. But do go through the calibration. If you missed that procedure it's easy. Just measure water volume or weight output over 20 seconds at each 1/4 turn opening of the valve. Divide the ml volume or g weight by 20 to get grams per second. For a vibration pump machine I'd dial in to a 1:2 (or your preferred brew ratio - Verve recommends a

[@Flikk.]

@@Wholelattelovepage You da man!

[@sergiof5126]

Thanks, What Tamper did you use? I like the fact that you ensure the proper level all the time.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Sergio, You are welcome and thanks for the question. It's the Bravo Distributor and Bravo Leveler. See them here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Bravo Perfect puck every time! Marc

[@prepperdan]

Some of my beans cant take much pressure at all on the tamp or the pressure (barely a light press maybe 8-10lbs) on the espresso will be off the clocks and then some beans i have to put my entire muscle in to get espresso pressure even if roasted a week ago. How do i pick beans that wont get too much pressure and dont take 100 lbs of tamp to make espresso? Is it the oils on the beans?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi D, I advise using a consistent firm pressure for tamping regardless of the beans. Use grind size to control extraction timing. Remember grind size needs to be adjusted when changing coffee types, dose weight, when coffee ages, etc. Here's a video on dialing in grind size: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIC8aHdmZ9Nnedk Marc

[@susannewgewirtz4715]

Hi Marc love your videos, I am looking at the Profitec pro 700 just wondering which coffee grinder to pair with it , and also is this too much machine for a home I have never had a espresso machine before but I only want to buy it once won’t be plumbed in for a while also can you recommend a separate coffee grinder just for a drip coffee machine I think it’s best to have two from what I can tell. Or would the barazta 270wi be a good option thank you

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Susan, Thanks for your kind comment and questions. The Profitec Pro 700 is an excellent machine. Get one and you likely never need to upgrade! I do like the Sette 270 Wi. If you are extra particular about your espresso its weight based dosing it is magical and takes the dose weight variable out of the equation. It can most definitely service the Pro 700. Just be aware it's an appliance grade product. Compared to machine grade grinders it has a lower duty cycle, lots of plastic and is louder. On the other hand it's very fast and produce a beautifully fluffy clump free grind. And there is some peace of mind for an appliance grade product with Baratza's fixed price repair program. Treat it well and it'll be fine but should you need service it's pay one price. More info on that here: baratza.com/grinder-repair-program/ For many users the Sette 270 can service both espresso and grinding for other brew methods. Like most espresso focused grinders it tends to produce more fines when grinding at drip sizes. Really depends on how particular you are about your drip coffee. For the most part I'm not that particular about drip so I'm fine with grinding for drip with the Sette. Plus with the grinds bin and indexed grind settings on the macro and micro adjustment rings it's quick and easy to change back and forth between espresso fine and medium grind size for drip. If you are very particular about your drip grind you can go with a second grinder for that purpose. I like the Baratza Virtuoso+ for that. It has the widest grind size range of any Baratza grinder so if you ever wanted to grind coarse for press or cold brew you're covered. Also like the digital timed grinding with a pulse feature that adds up your time. See the Virtuoso+ here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder I do hope that helps. If you are in US you can always call our coffee pros for more advice and assistance at 585-924-7170. Marc

[@dannymurphy4314]

I’m thinking about buying the Pro 700. Can you list all the accessories and upgrades as listed, to include the grinder. I’m a beginner but my wife loves coffee so I want to give her the best...so I want to buy the best.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi K, Thanks for the request and lucky wife! Pro 700 is an excellent machine. Grinder: Get one w/64mm or larger burrs. Ceado E6P is excellent: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2 Tamper/Leveler: 58mm size. Get a heavy tamper or consider a leveler like The Jack available in many colors/designs: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Asso%20Coffee The Jack makes distribution and compression (tamping) of grinds a more consistent 1 step process Group Gasket: This is a wear item. Consider an upgrade to a Cafewerks silicone gasket for easier lock-in and longer life: www.wholelattelove.com/products/caffewerks-silicone-group-gasket-73-x-57-x-8-5mm Filter Baskets: Stock baskets that come with the machine are fine, but you can upgrade to precision filter baskets with higher coffee capacity and design that allows for use of a slightly finer grind: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-20g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket Bottomless/Naked portafilter: Just plain sexy to watch naked extractions and helps improve technique: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-bottomless-portafilter Water filtration: Good water quality makes better espresso and protects your machine from scale deposits. Look at solutions from BWT ranging from plumbed in to in reservoir pads: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/water-filters?_=pf&pf_v_brand=BWT%20water%2Bmore Hope that helps! Marc

[@kas4751]

Hi Marc, can you do a demo comparing some of the different aftermarket E61 shower screens and educate us on what the differences are between them? Perhaps the IMS, IMS Nanotech and Pesado (made by IMS) versus stock. Can you use one of the ECM Rotary machines as the guinea pig machine? :) Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi K, In tomorrow's live stream I'll be taking a more detailed look at the IMS E61 shower screen. I'll actually be removing the stock screen and installing the Nanotech screen with a new silicone gasket on the Pro 700 which is identical internally to the ECM Synchronika. Watch here live or after the fact: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHXEeol_jtBmbNk Marc

[@kas4751]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! While we're here, can I just say that I really love the format of these livestreams. The content, the camera work, the whole set up! Great job! I'm also curious to the differences between the ECM Mechanika IV Profi vs ECM Technika IV Profi. Do they use the exact same rotary pump? If I remember correctly, the Technika has a Sirai pressurestat, but what about the Mechanika? What else is different internally between these 2 beautiful machines?

[@tusherwould]

Hello sir, can I ask what do you recommend for a small size bar? which coffee machine good for do around 40-50 coffees a day, thank you sir,

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi TT, I'd recommend an NSF commercial rated machine. Dual boiler machines like this could do the trick but are not really intended for commercial service and you will see some brew temperature drift if doing many rapid fire extractions in machines with an E61 group. Here's a lower cost commercial machine which could work: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines/products/rancilio-classe-5-st-1-group-espresso-machine

[@lorenzo1503]

Hi Marc, great video! I have a question not having to much to do with this video. I am acutally pending between the Profitec Pro 600 and 700. Key differences to me are the different pumps. Could you tell me, whether a vibration pump is more advantegous than a rotation pump (running from water reservoir) when it comes to the extraction quality? I have heard that the smoother pressure build-up with vibration pumps is better and that these pumps forgive more little errors regarding the preparation of the portafilter. Is there an overall quality difference between both pumps just with regards to the coffee quality?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Lorenzo, That's a great question (and you can ask any topic on any video)! I'll have to answer in general terms as there all kinds of variables which play into the benefits of one pump type of another. First few are straightforward: Rotary pumps are plumbable and vibrations pumps are not. Rotary pumps are quieter and considered "commercial grade". Brew pressure adjustment on the 700 is accessible underneath the machine. Many vibe pump machines require removal of the housing to adjust brew pressure. The 600 is a little unique as brew pressure is adjustable behind the drip tray without removing housing. How the pressure build and stock flow rates influence: Both machines are available with flow control. Using flow control one can mimic a vibe pump machine on a rotary pump machine or mimic a rotary pump machine on a vibe pump machine. Darker, blended or older beans may benefit from faster initial pressure build and flow rate. Lighter, fresher and specialty beans may benefit from slower pressure build and lower flow rates. A plumbed in Pro 700 can do line pressure pre-infusion. You'd want a pressure regulator on the plumbed in line to adjust it. But if you do that, you can partially lift the E61 lever to just before the pump comes on and line pressure is applied to the coffee. Adjust the pressure on the regulator down to say 1.5 bar and you'll get a really slow pressure/flow build up for as long as you like. Then kick up the lever, the pump comes on and hit the main extraction. So a lot of variables there. But let's say you always use the same type of beans and you don't want flow control and will not plumb in a Pro 700. For that my recommendations for best potential shot quality in stock machines are the Pro 600 for lighter/fresher/specialty coffees and the Pro 700 for darker/blends/older coffees. If you go with flow control either machine can mimic the other and you'll have a lot more control beyond just fast or slow build of pressure and flow. With that you're able to switch bean types and adjust to what works best. I hope that helps! Marc

[@lorenzo1503]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc, great help, finally made me decide which machine to go for! :)

[@benjaminchong783]

Hi Marc, it always enjoyable watching your informative video! Will you consider to do a comparison review on Profitec Pro800 vs Londonium R?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BC, Thanks for the comment and request. I'm scheduled out a few weeks at this point. I have done videos with the Pro 800 in the past and at this point do not have access to a Londonium so I cannot :(. Starting a week from today on 4/30 I will begin a series of live streams doing a single flow profile on the Pro 700 used in this video. One of the profiles I'll do mimics a lever shot. Marc

[@squibcakes74]

Always enjoy the videos and the effort put into the setup and execution. 😋 must get me one of those shower screens, any idea on how long the nano coat should last and can use standard BF powder on it?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi s, Thanks for the comment and question. It's a little tasking making it all work on my own. At least I have the wife here to cut the cameras! The screens are awesome. Easy quick and IMO excellent upgrade. The coating is fairly resistant. You can and should use Cafiza or similar with them. I have noticed they do lose some of the rainbow luster over time but still do there thing! Marc

[@kcast2506]

Looking for a dual boiler machine with PID and E61 Group head for 3-4 espresso and milk based drinks a day. It will be for home usage. What do you recommend ? Profitec 700 / Rocket R58 or some other candidates aswell ? Thanks for your answer.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KC, Thanks for the question. Dual boiler options include the machines here and the Profitec Pro 600: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine The Pro 600 can certainly handle your volume. It has smaller boilers, vibration pump and is not plumbable. At the high-end is the ECM Synchronika. As mentioned in this video it's internally identical to the Pro 700 but has more refined external details: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc

[@aquaman5464]

My favourite coffee channel

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AQ, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@goutvols103]

Maybe a crazy question but could you add a Flow Control Manual valve to the Rocket? Thanks in advance.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi g, Not a crazy question. We've tested on Rocket E61 machines and the answer is yes! Marc

[@goutvols103]

@@Wholelattelovepage ok. So is it available as an option on the Rocket?

[@Haydarah313]

Hey Mark, what is the high end espresso machine for home use ( to get premier espresso taste) regardless the technology they use(dual boiler, Lever infusion or heat exchange....etc)... can you please do a comparison where there is a difference on the price but not really to mention on the taste! (if we can also ignore the good the manufacturer the build their machines)..

[@Charlie-bl4jz]

I really enjoyed this and last weeks content, and am looking to more of these live streams. Would love to see something on dual boiler vs HX machines (perhaps already on the channel, but couldn't find it) - I have a VBM junior and would be interested in what the next up would be towards coffee nirvana.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CX, Thanks for the comment! I'll see what I can do. I have some videos from awhile back comparing HX and DB machines. But probably time to have another go! Marc

[@dylanlevijesse]

Thanks for the video and comparison- just wondering if you think there’s a chance Rocket will update the R58 in the future to include the discreet shot timer found in the new Rocket HX machines?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DLJ, I have not heard any indication Rocket is planning to add a shot timer to the R58. Marc

[@AaronFischer]

Yes the new r58 has a shot timer, new feet and pid control.

[@space.youtube]

Hey Marc, it'd be interesting to see a comparison between a Breville/Sage Dual Boiler (BES920) and one of these 'prosumer' dual boilers. I know they're completely different and serve different demographics BUT they also have a lot in common. The Breville packs in a lot of the same features for considerably less $, dual stainless boilers, PIDs, filtered water reservoir, programmable preinfusion, volumetric or timed shots, adjustable brew and steam temperatures etc. Enough to make many prosumer machines blush. So the question remains, can a budget machine, worth a fraction of the price, hang with the 'prosumer' big boys when it comes to pulling a shot? I'm under no illusions as to which machines are better (and more aesthetically pleasing) but if the Breville can produce a comparable shot to an ECM or Profitec, that's got to be a win for espresso drinkers on a budget, right? Ps Thanks for providing regular content during the quarantine period. Very much appreciated.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SJ, Thanks for the request and you are welcome for the content! So if you watch my videos you may know I make a clear distinction between appliance grade and machine grade products. I have used the BDB in the past - it's been a couple of years. Breville does pack a lot of features into their products. They do an excellent job of hitting the key marketing points like PID, etc. and I think the design is excellent from their unique wall plugs to convenient hidden storage trays. It's just hard for me to get around all the plastic, lack of durability and serviceability. We carry Breville products and they do have a market with a lower price point. But you have to get into this type of a product knowing it has a limited life span and is not user serviceable like machine grade products. Treat it well: good water quality, keep it clean, be gentle, descale as needed etc. and it should serve well but if/when something goes wrong after warranty it may not make financial sense to have it repaired. That's not the case with machine grade products. They are durable, very user serviceable and with proper care will go for decades. Personally I'd much rather invest a couple hundred more $$ on a machine grade HX boiler machine with PID. Marc

[@thomasengland1701]

Very good question and response. My oracle touch is now leaking and has steaming / temperature issues. Now this is after breville recommended me to descale and turns out descaling does more damage than helps. Never going back to breville. I’m going to be careful with the r58 and hopefully with the rotary pump I can get 10-15 years out of the machine versus 2-3 I had with the Oracle.

[@josephmooney5723]

Mark, really enjoy your videos!!😊 What is the warm up time on the Pro 700, I know you’ve looked at those aspects before in other videos, but on this machine how long for steam and the E61 to get to steady state temperatures?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Joseph, Thanks for the comment and question. I have measured that before. It's about 28 minutes to steady state temperature as measured on external surface of the E61 group. Marc

[@gregboggs4721]

As a beginner I want to buy the best machine and grinder to start with, so in the future I won’t be thinking upgrade. Going to be doing mostly milk based drinks, so do you think the E37s and the pro 600 or the 700 would be the way to go?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Greg, Thanks for the question. The Ceado E37S is an outstanding grinder. Definitely a grinder you'll never need to upgrade from. The Pro 600 and 700 are excellent as well. Key difference is the Pro 700 is plumable and uses a commercial grade rotary pump. The 600 uses a vibration pump and is not plumbable. Pro 700 is only choice if you will plumb machine direct to waterline. Marc

[@hihi0208]

Hi! Was wondering if you’d ever consider doing a review for the Lelit Bianca as i’ve seen it’s a very popular dual boiler option with flow control?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BL, Thanks for the question. We are very careful about the products we select and at this time we have chosen not to carry the Bianca. Although similar in price and capabilities we believe the engineering, internal components and finish details of the ECM Synchronika are superior. Marc

[@BobStCyr]

I agree and the flow control looks much more like it is designed into the machine with the Lelit whereas the Profitec and the ECM it seems like an after thought. I like the Lelit's smaller footprint too.

[@michaelb9479]

@@Wholelattelovepage The finish details, for sure. There only seem to be glowing reviews about Bianca's performance, but the finish details . . .

[@eknox4748]

Hey Marc, I would like to know if the pro 700 is worth it over the pro 600 if I won’t be plumbing it! Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi eK, Thanks for the question. The 600 has the same steam boiler pressure as the 700 and the additional PID features like shot timer, Eco mode setting and backflush reminder. If you are certain you will never plumb the machine and don't mind the vibration pump then it's a great alternative to the 700. Marc

[@patrickjctownsend]

Excellent videos! Will you be reviewing some lever machines later?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Patrick, Thanks for the comment. I have the next couple of weeks planned out and no levers in the plan at this point. If you search the channel you will find past videos looking at the Profitec Pro 800 and the Bezzera Strega. Marc

[@akquicksilver]

So do you have any of the flow control option kits in stock yet?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JB, Sorry no. Still waiting for production to catch up to demand. Virus in Italy put that all out of whack! Marc

[@zzmc98]

You mention the Profitec pro 700 can do pre-infusion if it’s plumbed but you didn’t demonstrate how it’s done. How long do you recommend to do pre-infusion?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Steve, Thanks for the question. Well, I demonstrated what happens at the pre-infusion position without a PF in place. How long you should pre-infuse depends on the coffee you are using. So there's no right answer. My basic recommendations: For a very fresh from roast coffee (within a week or two) like lighter roast, single origin, high altitude a long low flow or pressure pre-infusion can help tame excessive brightness. I'd let that run at 2 bar until espresso just breaks through the filter basket. Easier to see that in bottomless extractions. For not fresh, darker roasts or bean blends I would not do much pre-infusion at all. Maybe a few seconds to help saturate the grinds before full flow/pressure is applied which can help prevent channeling. Keep in mind these are basic principles and starting points. Try different pre-infusion times with the coffee you are using and taste! Marc

[@zzmc98]

Thank you Marc, that was exactly what I was looking for! I finally have my pro 700 plumbed with a BWT filter system and absolutely loving it.

[@hubbyofmad5122]

Hi Marc. Is there anyone who sells profitec pro 700 in Australia? Do you ship to Australia? Love your channel best coffeee information for sure.

[@stevenswann3254]

I got mine through Jetblack in Sydney. They freight to other locations. Love my 700 - brilliant machine.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SS, Thanks for adding the info!

[@frylock770]

Hi Marc, is there a particular reason you're using line-pressure pre-infusion instead of pre-infusing with flow control?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi sa, Thanks for the question. No particular reason other than not everyone has flow control. Can do the same and a whole lot more with flow control. Marc

[@DevBabu]

Love my profitec

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey DB, Profitec machines are easy to love! Marc

[@b.j.p.]

Thanks for all the content Marc! What started as browsing for a grinder replacement has led to a deep dive into espresso this quarantine, so thank you for the adventure! Based off your clear appreciation for the ceado’s I’ve been looking at the e37j and e37s, 3 questions: 1) does the speed of the “s” make it messier in getting outside of the filter basket? In the comparison you did, the “j” slower pace seemed to make it more neatly fill the basket. And 2) I’ve heard you reference that higher power motors are more reliable (assuming here the “s” might have slightly longer lifespan than “j”) but why is that? Is it just the motor having to work less hard? Higher power = higher thresholds of quality? And 3) what is the exterior finish of the black ceado e37? Is it powder coated or other? It looks different material than silver and wondering if one is more durable. Thanks friend! -Brandon

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Brandon, You are welcome for the content and thank you for the comment and questions. 1. The speed of the S does not make it messier IMO. Both the J and the S distribute well. Mess is usually the result of overfilling a filter basket. 2. Higher power motors are put under less stress so tend to have longer lifespans. Honestly motors are very robust in both grinders so should go for decades if not abused. Higher power motors also have higher duty cycles. 3. I believe the black E37S is powder coated. It's extremely durable IMO. We've had one in the studio and been using daily for many months I have yet to see any marks in the finish. It''s not bulletproof of course but can handle some abuse. The silver is a similar treatment to the black so durability is same. Hope that helps! Marc

[@b.j.p.]

Whole Latte Love Wonderful, thank you so much for clarifying; prompt as promised and equally as thorough :) I’ll be calling soon!

[@robertrivero2265]

I was under the impression that the rocket model r58 you are referring to in this video also does preinfusion as long as it is plummed in. Actually rockets with rotary pumps can be plummed and have preinfusion. Am I misinformed?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Robert, Thanks for the question. The R58 does do the standard E61 "pre-infusion". But that is quite different than a line pressure pre-infusion on a plumbed ECM or Profitec machine. The E61 "pre-infusion" is actually more of a pre-wetting of the coffee puck and not a constant flow of line pressure through the puck. Plumbed Rocket machines (and those of most other manufacturers except ECM/Profitec) have a solenoid valve on the plumbed in connection which closes the machine to line pressure unless the pump is running. Hope that helps! Marc

[@PanzerIV88]

I really wish the R58 I bought 8 months ago would have come with the "Chronometer" of the new machines. It's really subtle, nice looking and so useful. It's kind of dumb when the much pricier machine don't have a feature that lower-end model have but at least I got the Acaia Lunar for that purpose now. 1- I wonder how useful actually is the R58's pre-wetting "non-plumbed" like if it really makes a difference or if it's not even worth trying to hit that extremely narrow "activation spot" that's like not even 5mm between Off and Pump Activation "Brewing". 2- Hmm so 0.2bar make that much of a difference or is it just the high pitched sound from the smaller holes that makes the extra pressure appear bigger than it actually is? 3- As I said I already own the R58, now I was looking for a new machine to gift my mom, not as high-end but still something at least with "HX + PID" and ideally with a integrated shot timer. I've compared most Rocket and Profitech so far and is it me or overall the Profitec machines are less expensive for their Rocket equivalent model? Also if you aren't going to plumb the machine anyway, you lose the pre-infusion ability and the possibility of using a BWT filter, so 50% of the reason to invest a big extra from Vibratory to Rotatory is gone and therefore rather save and go for a Vibration pump which won't affect the taste of the coffee at all and will last plenty long enough for a home user usually just doing 2 cappucino per day?

[@mjmjersey]

Which of these two machines is quieter

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi michael, Thanks for the question. Both machines use rotary pumps which are much quieter than vibration pumps. So both are very quiet. In my subjective judgement the Synchronika is a hair quieter than the Rocket. Marc

[@mjmjersey]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for responding I would really like to get the synchronika but the rocket is more of my budget however I do not really want to descale I want to put a water filtration system in so I guess I'll have to wait to get synchronika a little bit longer

[@mjmjersey]

Marc could you please email me the screen nano sreen I need for my Prophet x700 Pro head

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi mm, Here it is: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-nanotech-e61-shower-screen Marc

[@mjmjersey]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much Marc. I think I'm becoming a mark and Todd groupie I. Lol. I watch all your videos. And I see there's a lot for the maintenance to the Pro 700. Thank you again for all the support and help. This is why I only buy from Whole latte love

[@Mjhopwo]

Hi, I've been watching lots of videos and am nearly ready to bite the bullet on one of these machines as I plan my dream kitchen. I was looking at installing a hot water tap by Quooker for tea and boiling pasta etc. Up to a litre of water needed. I'm wondering if I used the budget I had for this and went for a higher end espresso machine would I be able to use the water tap for this purpose?

[@jamesbyington726]

Ohhh i want a profitec 600 sooo bad 🤤

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jim, It's a wonderful compact dual boiler! Marc

[@Luforge]

Your coffee shots are sublime Marc.. Wondering if you're doing a segment on ECM Synchronica?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi J, Great to hear from you and thanks for the compliment. Wish I'd had a close up camera. A couple of the shots in prep had what I call "marshmallow" crema! Surface had a goopy brown texture like a perfectly roasted marshmallow - it was divine! My Synchronika left with my coworker AJ the day we started the social distancing about 4 weeks ago. He was in the midst of a long term project/experiment appraising Yirgacheffe shots as the beans aged starting at 4 days from roast out to 30. He also took some of the 4 day coffee and stored using a variety of methods including freezing. I have some preliminary results and they are very interesting. Look for a video with those at some point. When this is over I'll work in my favorite dual boiler again and of course it will be the star of AJ's video with results. Stay well! Marc

[@S0s0151]

The best granules of espresso???

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi S, Granules?

[@KeagsC65]

Hi Mark - writing to you from Dublin, Ireland. I wish I could buy my machine from you as I’d love to support WLL. I am in the market for either an ECM Synchronica or Profitec pro 700. I won’t be plumbing it in for at least a few years. Which would you recommend? And it is possible to have a non-flow control machine fitted with flow control after the fact? Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KC, The Pro 700 and Synchronika are nearly identical internally. Made in the same production facility in Milan, Italy. The key difference between the 2 is outside finishing details including the lever operated valves on the Synchronika and it's angled PFs which I prefer. More detail on the Synchronika like the matching chromed ends of levers, PFs, group lever. Also, Synchronika is the easiest machine to open up. 6 exposed screws on top and all the panels come off in under 1 minute. Other than that the specs are identical. It is possible to add the flow control after the fact. But, they have been in short supply! Manufacturing slow down due to pandemic has exasperated that! Hope that helps! Marc

[@KeagsC65]

Whole Latte Love thanks Marc - that’s really helpful. I’ve been researching and saving for about 2 years - really excited to go for a Synchronika! Okay good to know - I’ll look into how to get the flow control parts whenever possible. Thanks again! Always appreciate your videos and responsiveness.

[@moisesromero4905]

Your Facebook page is off or something?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MR, Bummer. Must be a glitch? Marc

[@moisesromero4905]

@@Wholelattelovepage i tried again and nothing...

[@lubenzz]

The long videos keep having audio delay.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LZ. Wide shot should be in audio sync. The 2 closer cameras are iPhones which are out of sync. Wish I could fix but it's what I have to work with at the moment. Marc