Dudley & ElkShape Talking Arrows

Dudley & ElkShape Talking Arrows - it's almost fall archery season so to kick it off proper me and the DUD aka ​⁠@nockonarchery are chatting about arrows and tuning! #ABT #ElkShape #Nockon
00:07:30 - What inspired Dudley's social posts recently
00:16:45 - The Ashby arrow recommendation chart
00:24:50 - Is JD willing to make concessions on adding weight to an arrow to achieve better penetration/quieter shot?
00:37:11 - Are Spine Charts Up to Date? Charts could soften up some based on advancements in bow tuning and timing.
00:50:00 - Grouping arrows with 3 different spines at 90 meters
00:52:30 - JD tested arrow vanes flight characteristics by their factory color
00:54:20 - JD's Hill Method Testing for spine selection
00:58:00 - Dan likes 3 Vanes... What does Dudley like?
01:02:30 - Is Spine alignment relevant.. what about nock tuning?
01:09:30 - Should folks run stock nocks or go with aftermarket nocks?
01:11:20 - Why do lighted nocks suck for 4mm arrows?
01:26:00 - JD's Easton Arrow Seminar Presentation
01:31:30 - Dan got introduced to Torque Tuning - What's JD's take?
01:37:15 - Bridgelock and Picatinny mounts
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[@doodlei]

“You should spare neither effort nor expense in achieving perfect arrow flight. Even with every other factor in place, without good arrow flight you will have poor arrow performance” -Dr. Ed Ashby I think a lot of the people get stuck on the 650 gr arrow when they watch Ranch Fairy videos and skip over the arrow flight part.

[@michaelrosa5410]

Obviously you are not listening to Troy well enough. He's a arrow flight first guy. Sure FOC rox, but if it won't fly right, it's not good. Same with 650 grains. He just happens to say MOST people will be in the 65-67 pound pull range. Well im not, i'm 80 so I had to listen harder to what he was pitching. Sure FOC, penetration, BUT a TUNED arrow. You have to absorb the whole PITCH he's stating. His info is actually proven physics based on momentum being harder to stop then less momentum. Tune it with FOC and whalla.

[@african7498]

RF does not suggest everyone needs 650gr arrows - in fact often promotes 550gr arrows.

[@theincredible9168]

​@michaelrosa5410 I'm not taking advice from someone who doesn't hunt whitetail and doesn't get pass thrus with his own heavy arrows.

[@tools4spoons]

People don’t have the patience for the love and dedication John Dudley has toward archery.. Great to see he has everyones best interest at heart. 🙏

[@jackbuendgen389]

His arrow vids have brought me back to reality. It's all about focus, form, and practice

[@huntermazzio713]

Nooo you have to ABT spending 1000s of dollars a season trying new equipment to be a good archer duhhh

[@jackbuendgen389]

@@huntermazzio713 oh dude I have! I bought 4 different bows this year! But in my journey I'm finding things that just work. No fluf, no headache, just performance.

[@williedunn-rj6nq]

@@jackbuendgen389 dude 4 bows?

[@jackbuendgen389]

@@williedunn-rj6nq yup. Bought an elite omnia, couldn't get that thing to tune. So I traded that for a bowtech SS34, that broke so I bought a used bowtech reckoning for a tournament. Then I bought a hoyt RX-5 😁

[@huntermazzio713]

@@jackbuendgen389lmao. I’ve been shooting my target arrows for hunting the last few seasons to save money. Because they work phenomenal

[@rickdraper2600]

Dudley is absolutely right. Instead of buying the newest gadget. Spend the time at the range. Shoot what you shoot the best. And have fun.

[@Pakman13]

Dudley is a box full of knowledge… dude is a legend🙌🏼. Glad u had him on Dan! Thanks!👊🏼

[@adohiproductions6506]

The archery community needed this podcast! There is a happy medium folks!

[@CoachGoodwin23]

Dudley's message is spot on. Right tool for the right application. 500 to 700 grain arrow for TAC makes no sense. It might make sense for an ELK hunt, but Dudley is spot on .... accuracy, accuracy, accuracy .... practice, practice, practice ... The industry is so good and many of the Ashby research is already inherently built in i.e. durability, etc., Get your setup shooting a great arrow - what does that mean for me or you? We need to figure that out for ourselves and our setup! Great message - great content. Thanks fellows.

[@Qbynordi]

How (freakin') lucky are we as bowhunters to have such a knowledgeable archer share his years and years of experience with us...thank you for taking the time to do this.

[@Deano-mm7ev]

Dudley is the man. Respect for him. So much knowledge and still so humble and down to earth. Great dude.

[@TheRealEricRose]

I love the passion John has when speaking about anything to do with shooting a bow!!

[@macbarb12]

Dudley is the Goat! Holy smokes he was dropping and explaining knowledge like no other!

[@donfrance3]

good arrow info -- thanks

[@maxdeangelis5019]

Best pod I have heard in a longtime. I freakin love Dudley

[@kurtcolson769]

Hands down the best podcast you have ever done Dan. I could listen to Dudley talk tech all day. Such a wealth of knowledge.

[@nsc112]

One of the best talks on archery that I have ever heard. I really like the historical parts, spine talk etc. Beautiful.

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

Thank you for getting Mr. Dudley on your podcast. That man helped me with his school of nock after I came back to bow hunting. We all want to be ethical hunters, tinker with things (broad heads, point weight, fletchings) see what works best for you but don't forget to practice at rangers you are comfortable with and possibly hunting at. Love the continent from both of your guys, would like to possibly see elk hunt together this fall? Great job Dan keep up the great work.

[@extremesam9]

Awesome podcast I could listen for another two hours!

[@lukelamphier1699]

Literally, both my mentors in one screen, they probably don't know it but everything I know about archery comes from these guys. Dan's philosophies have changed my life

[@dustinroberts3403]

That was awesome! Great conversation with you 2 guys dropping tons of knowledge!

[@randypegram4741]

thank you both for taking the time to share the knowledge!

[@deongerlach]

Glad to see u guys drop this so soon, was watching the live stream on the gram yesterday and it kept fading in and out of where I was. Thanks for posting it up.

[@OlafKilthau]

So much info! I'm going to have to watch again and takes notes! Great podcast!

[@joshlyndaker1392]

Great content by great people.. I got into archery 7 years ago, and your channel has great information.. mad respect for the time and energy you put into this..

[@user-bz6kv9yx7f]

Thanks for having John Dudley on. I've learned so much from him teaching on his videos. Could listen to him all day!

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for listening

[@chrisreed9888]

Best archery Podcast I have seen in ages. Great job and thank you fellas!

[@TMar129]

This was, by far, one of the best podcasts I've listened to. Dud is a stud, and the works he's put in and the knowledge he drops for us constantly is wild. You two are my go-to archery guys! Thanx for the work.

[@samuelblevins6248]

This is fantastic. the knowledge from a legend, is incredible. thank you for what your doing.

[@cr250racer09]

One of the more informational podcasts in awhile! Absolutely confirmed what ive been seeing in my own testing with spine charts.

[@shanerRC]

It's nice to see someone blowing the fairy dust off everything.

[@Pr1mitiveHunter]

If I could like this comment 1000 times I would. The fairy dust is a joke!

[@Terpedup925]

😂

[@williedunn-rj6nq]

@@Pr1mitiveHunterthe fairy dust is 100 percent real. It’s physics

[@craighunt1628]

John shoots 520 grains with 150 to 175 out front Troy never said you have to shoot 700 grains. THP shoots sub 600 grain. Watch all Troy's videos not media cuts

[@roblayman6630]

Some people just can’t grasp the concept RF is teaching. If all those people could judge yardage or use a dam rangefinder… ! If you are shooting at a whitetail more than 40yrds, you are wrong. Wind, animal reactions, your nerves. Elk maybe 60yrds but they offer a much bigger target. No arrow no matter how fast is gonna beat an alert animal jumping the string. Especially a loud ass 70lb bow shooting a 300gr arrow. Crazy all the haters !

[@user-mv4ri9qe8g]

Love the info on this podcast! Hopefully you guys will do more of these. Thanks for the info!

[@ghaugsness]

Great podcast with DUD! People don't understand the amount of experience he brings to the table. Appreciate all the info.

[@dillondrews2700]

Great job guys, love that you are breaking it down. Dudley is the man!!

[@tperryb]

Great info John and Dan. Thank you.

[@ABQfitness]

I’ve been waiting for this one! The dude that got me into archery and the dude that got me into elk hunting and taking my first elk! Let’s goooooooo

[@ryanpatterson1659]

Congrats on the Elk

[@darrenlowry7477]

Thanks for making this live yesterday. I couldn't catch the entire cast yesterday but I was able to listen to all today.

[@CharlieNDaTree]

Thank you to both of you. Being a new archer some times I find myself lost on arrow knowledge.

[@gaunt371]

Amazing interview. Thank you

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

Caught the live on IG yesterday, and really enjoyed it. JDud has forgotten more technical info than most will ever know in the Archery world. Love his takes. Thanks Dan

[@Orr_s]

That is 100% true, people forget how good he was way back when and equipment wasnt nearly as dialed as now

[@petegarza4708]

Awesome podcast!!!! Great information as always! 👍👊

[@steverichardson3031]

John man of so much good information, Dan man of so much experience. Ashby data. Is this what we really need. All of you guys are well respected. You are all at the top. And yes we will all still value your opinions. No doubt we will all take in as much information as we can, & use what information we feel will work the best. If that doesn’t work we will get back to you guys. I thank you all for your dedication & beliefs. Regards Steve Richardson Australia

[@ViCtOrZ803]

I can listen to John Dudley talk about archery all day long! I never really thought about nocks wearing out.

[@mikepearce4042]

I am sooooo glad you had Dud on I have been following him since 2013 knowing his background and his knowledge he is so good for the archery community 🤘🏻

[@DustyAlexander]

This was such a fun one! So glad I watched the video as opposed to listen to just audio. Great info and just a fun “hangout” with Dan and Dud! “Notch tags and love archery”

[@stewartlampe5748]

This podcast is as educational as one could ask for! The information here is something I feel every bow hunter should listen to! A must for anyone wanting either to improve their arrow's performance or learning about the importance of balance, speed aiding good trajectory and range estimation errors... a couple yards can mean a miss vs a wounded animal and his explanation of why the heavier arrow weight/high FOC isn't always giving someone the best advantage. Great stuff you guys! Keep them coming.

[@CDP151]

Great Podcast episode!!! Dudley is the man. So great to hear all this knowledge.

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for listening

[@SheepdogConservation]

Totally agree with Dud, hope more follow his path of re-education!! I help a lot of buds get into archery and the majority jump straight to the fanciest gear and get mad that they aren’t instant pros! Gotta put the work in first!!

[@skeegets2]

This is a great conversation. Always knew Dudley was detailed but damn!

[@timgruver5932]

One of the conversations you’ve ever had with anyone. And some of the most relevant information from a guy that KNOWS HIS STUFF!

[@stevenlawyer3223]

After watching Dud’s video the other day and now this one, I am in such a better place. Thanks to both of you. Already shot the AM but going to go do some more.

[@reddawng43x91]

I hunted in natchez ms in a club for 10 yrs! Some of the best and biggest bucks I’ve ever laid eyes on

[@bryanheimann5370]

I gotta agree on that e2 cam. It is smooooooth.

[@rickjames2618]

Fantastic podcast. So much great information.

[@ElkShape]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@nathangabriel937]

This was awesome! I have to listen again and take notes! Thank you

[@papaschuette]

Another dope interview. I've been trying to concentrate more on my form lately. You can have the perfect arrow setup, but if you have bad form, that arrow won't perform like it should. Keep these rollin' out. I learn alot from your discussions. #ABT

[@royhoglund1322]

Really good podcast! So much technical information. I remember when the tune charts were on the weak side and spoke to John about it. His rewrite of the spine chart was right on! Thanks guys for presenting this information!

[@benjaminrees6560]

Dan that was a fantastic podcast. Do more of these brother!

[@sarjeant503]

Epic podcast, soooo much info! Thanks for gettting this out so quickly, a lot of gold here! Dudly's stormtroopers pulled it off 🤣

[@rshoff14]

Great insight and knowledge from an industry giant. Loved it

[@ethanelsbernd-li4zu]

Thank you Dan and John! Great discussion. Favorite part was how John talked about there being a Middle Ground. This is what I’ve been waiting to hear. - Best, EE

[@spodyr6]

Excellent Pod !

[@douglasjohnson2334]

Awesome just awesome very important information

[@williambowfishing]

Absolutely loved this pod dude!!! I love John's outlook and dedication and passion as an archer and it shows. The dude is a freakin genius and is highly underrated imo. Imo if ya don't know John ya don't know shit about archery. He is a major reason archery is where it is today and that's the cold hard truth.

[@chrisrenaud2211]

Man that was good! Well done gents!

[@ericgrant8783]

Absolutely phenomenal point on. That’s why it’s called. Knock on. Keep on keeping it on. Take care God bless.

[@keithcheever8186]

Great video thank you for sharing very informative

[@nickotteni5355]

Concept of “start with the basics” should be the focal point while in the prep stages of a season be it for hunting or competition. I get behind science and testing. Seeing my own test results down range. Absorb the information, categorize it, apply it and see what works best for you. Information like this makes me question how I’ve been building my arrows up to this point. Just as Troys videos have. Giving me more to learn and experience to make my setup as best I can. Great video guys!

[@okayesthntr]

Epic conversation…thanks guys

[@johnnewcomb5162]

Great job on this one guys.

[@caseywise7348]

One of very best videos ive ever seen awesome

[@frankspataro9714]

Totally great video without a doubt the best shuf out there

[@rogerhook8002]

One thing to say about the technical data....Wow. Thanks!

[@relleknoj]

Wonderful information.

[@justinjhauser5110]

Dudley is a national treasure to the archery community. Good lord. That dude was created by the archery gods.

[@garrettstraffon608]

Great podcast

[@jayonez137]

Great podcast Dan! We love Dudley here in the NE. I never really jumped into the heavy arrow trend. For instance. This year I’m shooting the V3X 29 again. Im have a 27.5 inch draw length. 65 lb mods with limbs cranked down. Drawing back 67 lbs with Rouge R21 strings. My X impact finished finished weight is 420 g. I get pass thru shots on every Whitetail I decide to shoot. From our local bucks to last years 291 lb Kansas buck. What’s most important is accuracy and shot placement.

[@canfield3532]

I NEED more of this content with dud

[@waynemorris1999]

I just wish all these guys with years of knowledge and data would publish it. Put it out there so we can all get better and build on it. “Success does not dictate best practices”

[@ryanpeterson9838]

Really enjoyed this. I would love to see more and I want more of a peek of Johns laptop 😂

[@bayoupatriot]

Loved this pod. I became a Dud fan boy because of his passion that I also share of Archery, not bow hunting. I love bow hunting but the love of the sport and discipline of archery is above that. I want to be the most accurate and precise archer I can. That will translate to lethality. Archery is a year round thought for me. Ever since I adopted that mindset and the ABT mindset from elk shape, I have become a much better archer. Hopefully I’ll be able to test that one day at a TAC one day soon.

[@td1145]

one of the greatest podcast for archery nerds. +++

[@gidlock7885]

Best pod past 👌

[@hectormanchastudio]

This is the difference folks, hearing DUD talk puts him on another level of knowledge.

[@tonykruger871]

You two guys are a great asset to archery

[@arickesting4866]

Great discussion. Amazing information. The hunting situations discussed are amplified in archery hunts but can still be applicable to rife hunts. great point made that so much information is out there today with technical documentation backing a point to make one better. When in reality its the basics and understanding the process that makes the greatest strides in improvement. In Long range shooting and Archery people start and focus on technology/equipment thinking it will give the most gains forward. But in reality a focus on the basics and identifying the right tech to focus on will give the largest leaps forward. one can get lost in the ocean of data points.

[@yvantomac9502]

People buy their hopes ....instead of shooting to get ready to what they hope

[@dakotacrabtree9523]

When you (Dan) stops the show to make sure everyone knows troys your dude says a lot about how good of a dude you are! Keep it up!

[@ElkShape]

I appreciate that! Got respect for everyone’s experience and insight.

[@harveygalloway3965]

Troy is about killing hogs and deer that are close range. I believe that he is spot on for close range, but accuracy at distance John cannot be denied!! He is SPOT ON!!

[@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music]

John Dudley is the Man. I remember when he was on the Outdoor channel hunting. He was sponsored by Hoyt.

[@chriszajd675]

great vid!!!!!

[@kanyewest1365]

What shade of lipstick are you wearing Dan? 😂

[@LifeintheWildernessAK]

Such good stuff... At a ATA YEARS ago when he was doing the DD thing he took the time to chat. It has also been great to see him grow as a human being... Just a good dude. He once said something to the effect that you setup a bow by making sure everything is in spec but you tune a bow by adjusting poundage and arrows... I also think he is saying is that today's gear is more accurate than we will ever be so just about anything can shoot well, we just need to be better shooters.

[@user-zs1hm6cy7n]

this is a great podcast and video

[@PhotoBob]

Dud is THE authority in my opinion. If there is a question his answer is the final answer. Also I respect his approach to teaching and growing archery.

[@nockonarchery]

It’s not the final but I speak from what I learn and I continually try to learn more. These conversations have been great

[@christopherreily1895]

Wow, what an incredible resource and podcast. JD is getting texts from Joe Rogan but caring just as much about schooling the archery community at large. Great job Dan, thanks!

[@Scicluna83]

Motivation right there

[@hunterhazzard7229]

Great Video

[@gustavobarahona3145]

Dudley is the man, thank you for taking all of our heads out of the "hair splitting" craze and bringing us back down to reality.

[@Splitlip1948]

Great pod. Dud has forgot more on archery then most will ever know. Very analytical. Enjoyed .

[@EntryLvloutdoors]

Tuning recurves is a lot of fun

[@PrivilegedBowhunter]

Absolute gold💪🏾