Duelists of the Roses - Yugioh's Missed Potential (Retrospective)

[@saniblues-5013]

I recently replayed this on a whim. It's amazing how much better the gameplay is if you side with Yugi, but how vastly superior the story is when you side with Kaiba. It's no freaking contest, he treats you like a valuable member of his forces and handsomely rewards you for aiding him in his quest to rid the world of ultimate evil. You feel like a plot device when you're siding with Yugi while you feel like a comrade when you side with Kaiba.

[@youwayo]

Almost reminds me of Fire Emblem Fates :P

[@polocatfan]

It honestly feels like the Kaiba ending is legitimately the better ending. Kaiba realizes he was wrong and the White Roses likely end up becoming peaceful after. In the Yugi ending the White Roses would still be upset and likely start another war.

[@gottesurteil3201]

​@@youwayoconquest has the best gameplay and is also the objectively correct choice in terms of the story. Brought to you by a Nohr supremacist.

[@Amo-v27]

@@polocatfan Kaiba also apologizes for your summoning and keeps his promise of sending you back. Yugi erases the Rose Duelist's name from history and there's no evidence of your safe return.

[@Eric6761]

Btw, even if you accomplish everything, Seto says: "Hey bro, thanks for the solid, before I send you back, wanna get ultimate power? Like, you're gonna get rich, powerful and famous and etc, when you go back to your time, you're gonna be almost a god" like, bro was going to share power with you for free

[@glitchmakerygo]

My headcannon is that the characters just decided to play a really wierd version of D&D with trading cards one day and the result was a couple of really odd but pretty solid games

[@DarkEclipse23]

And Seto became the better man in the game while Yugi became a selfish jerk? 😂

[@TacticianCinema]

@@DarkEclipse23lol yes kaiba was the DM lmao made the whole thing make him look better haha

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@TacticianCinema”Take THAT Yugi! Ahahahahah!” “Uhh Seto, the heroes aren’t supposed to laugh maniacally :x” “Wrong Mokuba, I’m the twist hero, meaning I can act evil and turns out I’m the good guy while Yugi takes all the credit and damns the player to wander in this time period forever”.

[@kirinbobarcana]

But,what about Simon? How would he fit in?

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

I mean, I'm pretty sure YGO actually drew a ton from D&D super early on (even when the card game took prominence, afaik) so it's not that far off.

[@SubZerosHat]

This game is so weird to me, and not for the reasons you think. Some kids showed up to my front door one day, holding this game in their hands. Apparently they had found it outside in the street (?) and just straight up gave it to me. Pretty fun, even if I was way too young to know what I was doing at the time.

[@Ramsey276one]

You're a supporting character. CAREFUL XD

[@jorgewilliam7103]

I found it in an unmarked jewel case in a random drawer around the house as a kid. Truly a magical discovery. My brother had burned a cd with this game and left it there ages ago, and had since moved out.

[@MrDibara]

THOSE KIDS ARE ANGELS! 🙏 Yo, unbelievable that this is how you first got in contact with Duelists of the Roses!

[@theredestshirt9726]

You know what I’ll admit it, one of the reasons i got into Tag Force was because it was a half dating sim. The other reason is i thought it was interesting the player character wasn’t some random new guy but actually a regular character that felt part of the cast (at least during GX)

[@Zetact_]

There was lore integrating the hat guy with 5D's in Tag Force 4-6 to a certain extent. Moreso in the later games, there's a pretty consistent plot thread across a few stories like Pladico's and I think it's also brought up in Sherry's that establishes the player character is a robot from the future. It is weird that the Tag Force originals haven't been brought back in newer games since they could be used for a ton of benefit in games and already had established personalities, and in later Tag Force games their designs and expressions even got differentiated to lean into their personalities more. They would do brilliantly in the current market.

[@frankspick7544]

@@Zetact_ not just a robot apparently a robot that was base on the person who raised aporia

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

I really wish we got more Tag Force games 😭

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

@@Zetact_Oh we NEED them to make more Tag Force game’s Immediately

[@Eric6761]

​@@Zetact_there are other smaller threads, like in Tag Force 6 when you do Taro story a character from tag 4 who had her apartment burned will dispute for a place on a new apartment, In Tag 6 basically most characters will remember your character actions in the previous game

[@Overdrive_Hero]

Duelist of the Roses, The Falsebound Kingdom, and Capsule Monster Coliseum. Got fond memories with all three of those games. Game franchises really should dip into other ways of playing a game now and then.

[@ggrarl]

It's the reason people like Pokémon Snap and Conquest.

[@yamother5913]

Capsule monster was peak no one can tell me different 😂

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@yamother5913idk Forbidden Kingdom was tough in the beginning but super fun when you got the hang of it. Esp when you got the prize at the end >D

[@yamother5913]

@@DarkEclipse23 never got to play that one but it always looked fire 😂

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@yamother5913it’s more like an rpg with monsters. Like you control a team and you have to strategically plan your moves. You could get healing items like the ones in the card game like red medicine. And some monsters have co-op attacks like DM and DMG. However the beginning is arse because you don’t have much to start with. Not much heals and quite a bit of hard enemies 😂 not impossible. Just takes a bit of caution in the first chunk. I think you get a pick of an Egyptian god monster near the end which was cool and it had a ng+ feature I think.

[@TwilightDoomSlayer301]

This game is heavily underrated and I'm glad that it's getting more exposure thanks to this video. Nice work Kamen

[@Mangakamen]

Now only if this video got more exposure itself lol.

[@TwilightDoomSlayer301]

@@Mangakamen Fingers crossed. Love your stuff, keep up the good work

[@ballsofsalsa01]

​@@Mangakamencapsule monster colosseum??? Another PS2 game , very fun , lots of problems like 0 replayability

[@redkujaku8817]

Ahh… I remember playing this game as a teenager. Staying up on weekend nights grinding to get the cards I wanted, especially the cocoon of evolution. It even got me to look up the war of roses as a teenager as well

[@HamsterXFiles]

I used a gameshark.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

Didn't Rosenkruz nope out of there last second. Or at least knew he was at a loss before the attack began?

[@redkujaku8817]

@@SHADOMEGA7569 I think he did at the end of the red rose campaign

[@distorteddivine3638]

@@SHADOMEGA7569 In the game, yes, because he's a crafty bitch who tricks the player into summoning the big bad by standing in the right spot and the player having all the rose cards and agreeing to duel him. If you're talking real life, Christen Rosenkruz wasn't involved in the war and died a few years before the end of it at like 106 years old(if he actually existed, but thats a whooole separate thing). I do think it's hilarious that they used Seto Kaiba to represent him, though.

[@val9169]

​@@distorteddivine3638Wait, now I'm curious, wdym by "if he actually existed" 👀?

[@animeegotists7527]

I miss these games. Duelists of the Roses, 5Ds World Championship, and even Tag Force were really what kept me into Yugioh. Some of the games were just simply the same card game again, but I at least appreciate how we got some cool retellings; and even some brand new stories and characters. WC 2011 with Toru and Misaki anyone? I wish we got more of those games nowadays: with stories and new content: rather than just simulations. Thanks for this video, brought back a lot of fun memories!

[@minichad5456]

But fore some people are the simulations the only way to play the game really, cause cards can be quite expensive and it can be hard to find opponents as a casual in real life, But I also think we should get more games like the old ones cause they were sick

[@animeegotists7527]

@@minichad5456 never said we should do away completely with the simulation games. Just would like if we could get a good mix of both.

[@Ritokure]

It's real sad how that Rush Duel game and Legacy of the Duelist aren't even in the same ballpark when compared to the average output of Konami's late 2000s / early 2010s Yugioh games. Then again, considering the state of Konami nowadays, can't say I'm surprised. Also since you mentioned it, big shoutout to Misaki, especially since MangaKamen made a video ranting about female characters in Yugioh. Female introverts are rare and when they appear they tend to fill the "cute shrinking violet" role, so getting one that avoids this trap, is a prominent character in the plot AND undergoes a character arc in a series infamous to mistreating their female characters like Yugioh is worthy of praise.

[@animeegotists7527]

@@Ritokure Exactly! She’s one of my favorite Yugioh characters and she ain’t even canon😂

[@John-Stark]

Oh God, 5ds World championship was the best!

[@sweetsea3607]

I really like how the games back then were a hybrid between Yu-Gi-Oh! and Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist. I think a lot of people forget that originally Yu-Gi-Oh! was not meant to be focused on Duel Monsters but rather games as a whole. Yugi and Atem are the champions of Duel Monsters but Kaiba is the champion of so many other games which makes them the perfect bosses to defeat.

[@topcat59]

Man this version of Seto has pretty strong rizz to get the protagonist to side with him ahahah.😹

[@ChargeQM]

And he actually keeps his word. Absolutely the superior choice!

[@Envy_May]

christian rosenkreuz _did_ allegedly start an entire movement, so there you go

[@dancarter5775]

Jee, we're supposed to pick a side as we are the key. Would you pick the side with the leader who had an underling summon you and couldn't be bothered to show up himself? Or the faction whose leader came to personally retrieve you because you are just that important?

[@blub1220]

Tbh, the first time I played the game, I chose Kiba because I found him sexy. At this time, I didn't know it that it was attraction because I was 13 or so.

[@withxoutxlife]

@@blub1220 Based.

[@pokeperson1000]

I like how the game is basically meant to be played at least twice. Siding against Kaiba makes for an easier first campaign with a little bit underwhelming ending, then with all the resources you accumulated, siding with Kaiba enters you into the harder campaign that you are now prepared for due to the resources you accumulated in the first campaign, and a more satisfying ending.

[@coolgabe555]

I would argue Kaiba has the easier route since Tea has some of the best cards in the game and arguably the best type in the game and Pegasus is one of the hardest duelists.

[@doomdesire2809]

​​@@coolgabe555Yeah, but Mai is a HARD stop. You can play far more of Yugi's route without fighting Pegasus. But... Mai is also the only problem duelist in Kaiba's route.

[@Eric6761]

I disagree, honestly it almost feels like the game incentives you to play the Lancasters first since basically they're the most pushover at the start and the only threats are Keith, Pegasus and Weevil

[@derrickhaggard]

@@Eric6761 Weevil is the first duelist you face when you side with the Lancasters and he is pathetically easy only big cards from him you have to watch out for are Rose Specter of Dunn and his Ritual Monster other then that he's pathetically easy. Only duelist on the Yorkist side who is easier then him is Ishizu and that's because of how she built her deck.

[@Eric6761]

@@derrickhaggard then it's different experiences then because my main decks were Machine and Zombie and Weevil had a way to punish carelessness and defense

[@lordinquisitor6233]

You know the last thing I’d expect was the words “war of the roses” and ‘yugioh’ in the same sentence but you know, the history student in me is digging it

[@reloadpsi]

It's so silly isn't it? But it's also so charming.

[@anggakarapreviandana2877]

Hi, so here's interesting thing about Seto's character on Duelist of the Roses (Thanks to the Fridge page of that game on TV Tropes). Seto is based on Christian Rosenkreuz. The origins of the "real-life" Rosenkreuz are Shrouded in Myth (if he existed at all is debated), but the manifestos documenting his life put his date of birth in 1378, while the war of the Roses took place in the mid to late 1400s. Furthermore, Rosenkreuz had nothing to do with Richard III or the War of the Roses. So why is Seto cast as Rosenkreuz in the role of Richard III's enforcer? Rosenkreuz founded a secret society called the Order of the Rose Cross, which studied ancient knowledge he purportedly learned on pilgrimages in the Middle East, and their sigil was a cross with a white rose in the middle. This symbolically connects Seto to the Yorkists via their own white rose sigil, and perfectly ties into Seto's goal to summon an ancient Card God from Egypt. Rosenkreuz was said to have lived to be 106, and since magic is well known to exist in the Yu-Gi-Oh! universe, it's totally plausible Rosenkreuz was able to retain his youth for his century-long life. Finally, Rosenkreuz's date of death is 1484, and the Battle of Bosworth field which is the climax of the game took place in 1485. Thus one only needs to fudge the dates just a little bit to make all this work, because after the battle with the Card God at Stonehenge, which happens very shortly after the Battle of Bosworth Field, Seto and the Rose Crusaders vanish from England and are never seen again.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Haha, convoluted lore.

[@MrDibara]

It is honestly REALLY neat how they came up with that idea! _If only they had time to further extend and explore it..._ 😔

[@MrDibara]

​@@rustyshackelford4224 _I love it._ I LOVE IT! 😁👌

[@Zetact_]

The reason why the franchise never really had spinoffs or alt formats is just because of how halfhearted Konami was with making them. There are so many spinoff games from Yugioh's peak in popularity like DDM, Falsebound Kingdom, Capsule Monster Colosseum, Destiny Board Traveler, Wheelie Breakers and, yes, Duelists of the Roses but most of them were more or less shovelware which probably soured the experience for things that aren't card game simulators. Similar thing happened recently with Cross Duel. And a similar thing happens with alt formats like Pegasus Challenge or Boss Duel in that they appear for a little bit, usually only in OCG regions, then just kinda stop being run. With the recent news of Konami's shareholders expressing concerns with the longevity of the IP, maybe they will be making something for people who like Yugioh for the aesthetics, characters, lore, and creative gameplay but don't like competitive.

[@maileesaeya3614]

I've looked into some of the "meta plot" stories being told through the cards (the saga of Gagagigo being one of the earliest and best known), and I find myself thinking "Forget these ridiculous anime about how a children's card game created the universe and defines the world's economics and politics, give me anime based on these meta plots!"

[@SapphireCarbuncle009]

Small a difference as it is, and as poor a substitute as it is for an actual differing plot, I do like that depending on who you side with, you either have a linear path or a more open ended approach in how you tackle things, especially considering your goals. Yorkists want you to beeline it to Yugi, and the Lancastrians want you to jjst get the rose cards

[@derrickhaggard]

Also concerning the plot a lot people say Yugi was the villain simply because he doesn't give you credit for helping end the War of the Roses for the Lancastrian side and you don't know if you end up back home. Well here's the thing that ending is left up for interpretation. For example I have it interpretated to where the Rose Duelist asks Yugi to not be given credit and he should take all the credit in order to ensure the timeline isn't changed for possibly the worst aka history says Henry Tudor is the one credited with ending the War of Roses via his marriage to Richard's daughter, and being the one who sets up the defeat of Richard at Bosworth Field and so in order for the timeline to remain safe Yugi has to take all the credit, and this is the first time you as the Rose Duelist first use your powers of Space-Time Manipulation and open a portal back to your home time-period and you literally have no idea if the portal you opened actually sent you back to your home time period or you sent yourself to another time period

[@TheForsakenSentry]

@@derrickhaggard amusing headcanon.

[@GavinAstraWolf]

Still to this day I want a Duelists of the Roses Sequel. The fact it was only the one game drives me insane cause it has so much potential that NEVER gets realized.

[@josecoelho2064]

bet

[@TheForsakenSentry]

Agreed. I would be so down for a sequel or even a remake but with more cards from the Battle City arc.

[@Zoomer3989]

It's funny that P. Seto's strategy of letting you get all of the rose cards exactly parallels Seto's strategy of letting you get all of the millennium items in Forbidden Memories. Work smart, not hard

[@kenu995]

The Redux mod by Clovis and his friends has a great Vanilla Plus feel. Revamped starter decks, new enemy decks and maps, and every card in the game is made obtainable. Also the cards and models are the unedited Japanese versions.

[@TheArmyofHades]

i Second that, Clovis made this much more enjoyable and made me play the game once more and i loved it.

[@GojiraSteve2019]

I loved this game back then

[@Shinyprofjareth]

Same here

[@cerberyn]

I still have it. I still play it, I still love it!

[@mckstellar1005]

Me2 I actually rented it and should of kept it from the movie gallery.

[@Necroskull388]

I don’t remember how the game played but I distinctly remember especially enjoying this game in particular out of the several yugioh games I had

[@TheForsakenSentry]

I still do.

[@redkujaku8817]

Funny enough, Pegasus was the sole reason as to why I sought out the Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth. Not only did it weaken his monsters but it also served as an indicator as to which cards were monsters and which ones weren’t.

[@NeroLordofChaos]

PUGM is a godsend. Hilariously, if you use a card cheat to get all the cards (which is unfortunately the only way to get a few legit cards * cough * looking at you Exodia pieces * cough * you can actually throw out PUGM for about the same cost as Petit Moth.

[@Did_No_Wrong]

I honestly really dig what they did with Yugi and Seto in this game, going in this you would let your preconceptions from the anime guide you into thinking Setos the bad guy and yugi is the good guy where in reality its the other way around. Henry Tudor Yugi and the Lancasters were the ones who started the war of the roses in the game just so that he can put himself on the throne regardless of the bloodshed that would follow while Seto and the Yorkist are just trying to defend their homeland and fulfill Setos family dream of summoning the card guardian. Its a amazing subversion of expectations that Seto is who the Duelist of The Roses should alllied with because unlike Yugi his motives are pure, upfront and honorable with Seto being the one who keeps his promise sending the protagonist home and even giving him a memento that symbolizes his debt to the protagonist that his descendants would recognize.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

definitely give the redux mod a try, its basically that third path you were looking for and it actually breaks away from the character builds that the base game gave each opponent. IIRC it also adds some cards to the game as well that released before the GX packs became standard.

[@The_Bromodo]

I'll say this in Tea's defence: If she gets the ball rolling with her deck, she steamrolls you hard. One of the most terrifying cards in her deck is Ray & Temperature, a seemingly innocuous 1000/1000 card except the damn thing erases all stat buffs you give a monster when it battles it. And if it's been powered up by Winged Trumpeter and other support cards, that thing will steamroll new decks that don't have any counters for it yet. This is also true if she gets Hourglass of Courage and Gyakuteno Megami to trigger, as all her teeny monsters can become very, VERY powerful under the right circumstances. Especially if she starts making Mystical Elfs, which make LIGHT a powerhouse of a deck type considering you can run 3 and fuse at least 6 by having low attack Elf monsters fuse with a LIGHT monster.

[@bored4033]

I feel like a tactical rpg based on the tcg/ocg card lore would be super interesting. Like, imagine a dogmatica game or a game based on duel terminal. You wouldn't need a model for every modern card because the majority of them wouldn't exist in that word.

[@TetsuRiken]

You know now that you point out that Kaiba keeps his word and gives you something to grant you a boon and sends you home If you listen to the music for each side the Yorkists battles (vs them) have an almost up beat heroic sound and the other song is kinda villainous and given in the context of the story you are supposed to do what Kaiba said kinda makes me wonder

[@mateussilva635]

The villanous songs is because you are fighting the good guys, so it's kind of your theme, not theirs. But I agree that the game sends mixed signals and plays with expectations on which path is the "righteous" one.

[@Chris-jx4ij]

My childhood Yugioh spinoff was actually Falsebound Kingdom. I never even had Forbidden Memories, or Duelist of the Roses. I did end up with the Capsule Monsters one though.

[@SixFacts]

Man this game was so fun. I just thought it was so cool being able to fuse monsters and pop them out. I think the gameplay to me was extremely fun especially since I loved yugioh as a franchise. But I can easily see how it would be off putting if you weren’t a fan. It’s kind of like how I see Pokémon and the old Digimon world games (digimon world 3 is an old goat for me). It’s so easy to self insert and have fun in these games. I felt like I was really a duelist and it was just so sick. Thank you for making this video, I appreciate the hard work and dedication it took to make it and I was so entertained!

[@Mangakamen]

Thank you very much, it's a game that I enjoy too - Even though it has some issues. Also, you should check out some of the modded versions of this game :)

[@Hack_Man_VII]

I have played the time out of this game! I was so disappointed that we never got a sequel to this.

[@Ramsey276one]

Same

[@zedorian6547]

I mean this was a sort of sequel to Forbidden Memories and Falsebound Kingdom was sort of a sequel to this

[@Hack_Man_VII]

@@zedorian6547 I did play Forbidden Memories, but didn't have the same gameplay. I really hated the way they handled weaknesses and card collection. I think of Duelist of the Roses as being an improvement rather than a sequel. I haven't played Falsebound Kingdom. I doubt it would really qualify as a sequel to this in the way I would like. Would give it a try regardless.

[@wakkaseta8351]

The gameplay in Falsebound Kingdom is super different from this just so you know. It switches back and forth between RTS and Turn based Strategy.

[@Dragonoid269]

I don't see how Falsebound Kingdom can be considered a sequel to this. They are nothing alike in both gameplay and story.

[@riicky83]

Dark Magician Girl was a bugger to get. You needed to do the card roulette and get three Dark Magicians in a row to get her.

[@BradBurnian]

Legit played this game for YEARS. Great spin on the formula even with its flaws.

[@Holly-khore-levina]

This is a super nostalgic game for me. And an interesting one to look back on, since it was made before the Battle City rules were even introduced (it actually came out in Japan right around the time Ishizu gave Kaiba Obelisk and all that in the anime). So this was very much a fun little experiment on how to develop the original Duelist Kingdom/Forbidden Memories mechanics And honestly there is a lot of fun and charm looking back. That said as you said not perfect. Along with the AI sometimes being quite dumb there are just... so many ways to snap this game and its theoretical challenge in two. No joke- I have multiple times been able to beat most every opponent using basically Mirror Force and Aqua Dragon. Only swapping stuff around against Bonez and Bakura respectively on the two routes, due to their deck costs being super low. And if like me you had the cheat code book (or nowadays can just look it up online) you can get those at the start of a playthrough

[@muigokublack6487]

This game was the reason I chose PS2 over Gamecube and I don't regret it. It was also a great way for me to learn about the war of the roses which proves the best way to teach history is through the lenses of a children's card game! Actually for anyone curious, people have recreated the gameplay of this game in virtual tabletops like Tabletop Simulator with new cards from later eras of the game.

[@Love-Sensibility]

YO SAME!!! I LITERALLY OBSESS OVER THE PS2 JUST FOR THIS GAME. THIS GAME IS THE REASON I PLAY THE PS2~!!!!

[@MrSC219]

I don't remember much specifically about this game, but I had flashbacks when you got to Pegasus. He's why I never beat that campaign as a kid.

[@richardwicker8456]

I just realized after 17 years that this game's story is basically a yugioh isekai plot. I loved the gameplay mechanics and felt it had a lot of depth. I also thought the difficulty of this game was more fair than Forbidden Memories, especially once you know how to properly farm for the cards you want. Funnily enough, using my middle name allowed me to always pick Fairy King Truesdale, which I did for one reason and one reason only; farming for those sweet Blue-Eyes White Dragons.

[@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman]

it is not isekai, its a retelling of british indigneous history with yugioh characters playing the historical figures. good grief

[@GatsbyCioffi]

Also, I do love that Simon ends up becoming Grandpa later in the lore (Shimon in the Pharaoh's Memory arc), but at the time, nobody knew who Simon was gonna be, so he's just the mystery blue man in this era of games, haha

[@scragar]

I had a crush card deck for this game, it was so OP because any crush monster destroyed made the tiles under them crush cards which would destroy enemies with more than 1,500 attack. The AI would just throw their monsters at it not realising they destroyed themselves then throw away cards to get stronger monsters until they ran out(at which point they'd just sit there waiting for you to win).

[@stormbiskit7271]

I absolutely loved this game. Even busted out my old PS2 a few years ago to play through it. And, honestly, this vid is making me wanna look into the modern options for it, so thanks! And, of course, a fantastic video about one of my old faves. I really do wish these game companies would let their developers try more fun and out-there ideas for their games, but they gotta make that all-powerful dollar with as little risk as humanly possible. Because when has taking risks ever yielded results? 🙄

[@Mangakamen]

Couldn't agree more!

[@Droidking13]

Never played this game as a kid because I was nintendo kid. I will say we need more card videogame games like this. Bandai is in a good position to make a Digimon card game like this and could work well with each opponent having a different mega or family. For the next yugioh video video, you tackle The False Bound Kingdom.

[@mattwo7]

There was a lot more experimenting in the industry in general I think. Back before the days of microtransactions and en masse trend chasing (there were still shades of that though, like online RPGs but the trends didn't bloat the AAA scene nearly as much). Course some of it was mishandled, like with the Mega Man franchise where they were trying to do too many things at the same time, leading to franchise burnout, I guess Disney didn't hear about that considering how they handled the MCU.

[@Eliphaschoas]

I love this game, and I do like the connections it has to Forbidden Memories. I do believe however (could be wrong of course) that you are the same character in both games, The Prince of Egypt, so in this Yami Yugi isn't Henry Tudor instead it's just Grown up Yugi who is Henry Tudor.

[@DerMotze]

Now that is a blast from the past. I think I'm gonna pick this game up again and see what 10 year old me had on his savefile back in the day. I still own every memory card with all the save files from my childhood. One of the only ways of knowing what niché games I played back in the day.

[@tomfoolery7797]

I always liked this game. I remember being obsessed with making the strongest cost effective deck I could make which ended up being a red-eyes dragon/Thousand Dragon deck due to it being a set of monster that are incredible easy to bring out with fusion. For anyone interested here is the deck: DECK LEADER: Red-Eyes Black Dragon DECK COST: 937 MONSTERS Red-Eyes Black Dragon x3 Blackland Fire dragon x3 Koumori Dragon x3 Curse of Dragon x3 Typhone #2 x3 Time Wizard x3 Lord of D. x2 Summoned Skull x2 SPELL Mountain x3 Dark Piercing Light x3 Magical Neutralizing Force Field x3 Horn of the Unicorn x3 Dragon Treasure x3 Nails of Bane x3

[@dillanschmidt7459]

I played the heck out of this and Falsebound Kingdom. They were both unique and enjoyable enough. I beat DotR easily enough, but i couldn't figure out how to triple fusion, so no Gate Guardian. And i played with the basic Deck Master since every card I looked at didn't have a Deck Master effect. I didn't look at every monster, but i looked at enough of them. I couldn't figure out some traps that just sat on the field and didn't do anything despite saying otherwise. I like the jackpot end of duel system. I remember getting a candle card like 'Flame of the Candle' or 'Man of the Flame' or something. It's been like 15 years, cut me some slack. It's effect was it reduced opposing monster's atk by 100 each turn. Not super OP but i would stall out games for a long time and try to one-shot the opposing duelist with the Riryoku spell card mentioned in the video. I had a blast with it.

[@Aleph3575]

11:58 This happens to be the way to get rare and powerful cards btw. So yeah, it can be kinda tough getting stuff like a Blue Eyes or the Dark Magician in this game. But you're generally better off building your deck around an element or theme like the deckmasters kinda suggest. Also, you're supposed to be able to unlock special abilities and stuff at higher ranks for your deckmaster, but I've never seen these ever because it is a CHORE to level up your deckmaster. The AI has it sometimes though.

[@NeroLordofChaos]

The best way to level your commander doesn't even open up until post game when you can make your own versus map. I forget the exact setup, but it involves a few labyrinth walls, Duel Master K (T?) and the as many copies of your commander as possible. It still takes like 20-30 duels to max them out as well.

[@tomforge614]

I think one of the game's biggest weaknesses is that the Duel Master promotions should have been snappier/quicker, and there needed to be some nameless mooks under each general, so you can at least promote your first deck master more than once between both campaigns.

[@Aleph3575]

@@NeroLordofChaos Yeah I ended up watching Clovis (who's basically the expert on this game) and according to him, even done at maximum efficiency, it takes something like 6+ hours of continuous play to max a deckmaster. Which is why his romhack lowers the EXP thresholds significantly, and he provides both a tutorial and a guide on how to lower them for the base game as well.

[@roxasdeviluke317]

I love how the game made the yorkist look as good a spossible with them giving you a choice and cementing your name in history

[@jeffreywarf]

A yugioh "sandbox" experience that recreates the feel of battle city with a "nemesis system" like shadow of war would be my IDEAL yugioh game. Just imagine there being generated, voiced NPCs that can run up on you out of nowhere and demand rematches or were hunting you. And all of them have unique names and personalities and "remember" your interactions so they'll change their decks to try and beat you

[@ultra6671]

I remember my family had this game as a kid, and my dad played it too, focusing on boosting his Fairy monsters with terrain and magic cards to insane degrees.

[@kurt4585]

31:00 makes sense that as a white rose youhave a straight path, since you are attacking and taking their territories, you have to go through until you get to their core. as a red duelist they've taken all your territory, since as they said at the start they were losing, so it makes sense that you have many opponents to choose

[@alextalbain9269]

I honestly liked the game and I still like to go back to it from time to time.

[@pagananarchist4723]

"A card, a card. My kingdom for a card." Yeah, that's genuinely how it feels sometimes, trying to get certain cards you need for a deck you want to build, and you try to buy singles instead of gambling on booster packs

[@therealsaltyxd7661]

Duelist of the roses is my favorite yugioh game even to this day. When i clocked in so much hrs into this game i ended up having most of the cards except the ones u cant get by normal means.

[@OzempicRage]

thank u for making this .. i thought i was crazy for thinking this game was a hidden gem plus one of the best game ost ever

[@dalek8404]

Coming back and watching this again makes me hope that the DS era of games get a chance to shine again. Those were fun.

[@LupusRexXIII]

Duelist of Roses is hands down one of my favorite games I played as a kid. I can't tell you how many hours I played it. It was great to see a video covering it, Capsule Monster Coliseum next? lol

[@glenmoody-elias1040]

Alright. That's two YuGiOh side games down. We are one step closer to a video about Dungeon Dice Monsters. Seriously though, YuGiOh side games were wild. Just like how Pokemon side games were wild. My favourite pokemon game is probably the Explorers of Darkness/Time/Sky group. And even without the PMD titles, even Rumble, or whatever the toy one was, was actually kinda neat.

[@kingofgrim4761]

The best part about the music for Mako for me… is that my first two copies of Duelist of Roses both started freezing exactly at that point. I’d be stuck with an endless great song on a frozen screen

[@GreenDinoRanger]

I live how much strategy was in the small details of this game. Decks being tied to your name, Deck Master abilities, using the field power bonus from the Duelist Kingdom arc, giving cards different abilities to their IRL counterparts. I played it all the time when i was a kid, and again recently, this tjme using my name and had absolute trash decks to pick from. I picked a female/fairy monster deck and was wondering how i was going to beat Mai or Mako when I could only make Dark Witch. And then I discovered how broken Mystical Elf is...

[@GatsbyCioffi]

I still want my DotR sequel. Keep making more similar games like this in different time periods. An Ancient Roman game, a US Revolutionary War game, a WW1 game. Keep the 5000 year long battle going, guys!

[@krysmphoenix6010]

I wish you had touched on the Fusion aspect of the game because that's what turned me fad away from this game as a kid. I couldnt find any in-game guide on what monsters would fuse together and what couldnt. So my opponent would always fuse together something strong while i was stuck at stuff below 2000 ATK and no terrain advantage. In hindsight, its very fascinating and the terrain is a neat gimmick. I remember playing MtG with friends in a similar gimmick format as this, using lands as tiles. A modern remake of this game, or even just a spiritual successor with its own card list, would be fun to play.

[@mattwo7]

20:11 Some games still do come with their soundtrack, Sakurai knew he had a good thing with Smash Ultimate and included a music player. Though FFXIV makes you work for most of the songs in the soundtrack and if you miss a seasonal event the year one is given out, unless you want to pay $5 per song in a cash shop on a game with a subscription (and box price for the newest two expansions) you won't be getting that one _ever!_ Also animal crossing added a music player where you can get tracks from KK Slider's concerts.

[@WarrickAuthor]

Pumpking and zombies are broken. If you wanted to breeze through the game, you could put in the name ACE, and get the Patrician of Darkness (I think?) Deck. Which is the zombie deck. You can create Pumpking by fusing a plant and zombie monster together, with the requirement that one of the monsters has 1000 base attack (not counting summoning terrain). Get 5 pumpkings, wait around 10 turns in face up defense position, and start plowing through every enemy in the game. Zombies are strong in 2 terrains, wasteland and Yami, and weak to mountain. Which makes them really strong and versatile. Get some cards like royal decree and life point restoration to fight against non battle effects, and the deck is nearly invincible.

[@mattwo7]

29:41 For the Arc-V fans unfamiliar with this card, it's _normally_ Dark Rebllion XYZ Dragon's effect in spell form. For some reason this game changed your monster's ATK to your LP for the effect and instead of _one_ of his monsters it's _all_ of them.

[@13KuriMaster]

Oh, it's because that how it worked in the anime/manga when it was used by the Paradox Brothers (then copied by Joey's copycat card).... a lot of cards here have effects that better reflect how they were done in Duelist Kingdom actually (like Swordstalker gaining strength from cards in the GY to Terrain bonus in general).

[@neonnwave1]

I remember playing Duelist of the Roses with other kids. Never understood the darn game but the others somehow managed to beat it. Joey Wheeler was my favourite from the original series. Everyone I knew was obsessed with Kaiba or Yugi. I liked Joey because he was the underdog and a great supportive character. He was someone who everyone looked down on, managed to surpass expectations, and was part of the reason Yugi managed to make it far. Sure he didn't win any tournaments but he still did well and surpassed most players. Everyone wants to admire or be the protagonist, but not everyone can fit that role. Not to mention they fail to realize that supporting characters are very important.

[@kevingolden8244]

Absolutely loved the shakeup to the game play, it had some mechanics from duelist kingdom, mixed with tower defense, and a war of rizz.

[@chesspuppeteer]

Would happily pay full price if this was remastered and placed onto modern consoles.

[@Zathurious]

I played this game sooo much back in the day. I remember wishing that after completing both campaigns, it would've been nice to relax the deck cost number. Hey Manga, your video didn't mention if you discovered my favorite strategy. It involves creating a deck of light monsters and using the mystical elf and darkness descends cards. When flipped, the mystical elf powers up all your light monsters by 800. Darkness descends is a magic card that flips all face up cards face down. Add in a few cards like the magician of fate which brings back magic cards for an additional use... Let's just say I have gotten monster cards powered up to 9999/9999 if I dragged the duel out long enough. It was a total blast, especially when I played against my brother.

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

I still have this game, still fun to come back to from time to time.

[@zedorian6547]

Would be awesome to see a Falsebound Kingdom video as that was probably my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh! game of all time

[@booleah6357]

I was a sadist when I was younger and started on the yugi side first. Beating rex was a nightmare. Then when I went to the kaiba side it was a cakewalk.

[@TheMadMadman]

This is one game I could play over and over again and never get bored with it. Literally, I've probably beat it about 50 times.

[@gentlyvillainous]

I used to love playing the GX rpg on ps2, it felt so cool being able to walk around and talk to people while customizing my deck how I wanted. It honestly felt like a yugioh game made by Pokémon devs.

[@GlitchGhost1285]

My first deck in this game was the fairy deck... But it sucked so I started over and got the zombie deck, worked my way up to Joey, beat him multiple times until I had the different Red-eyes I could get from him and I was happy as a clam when I beat grampa and finally got a summon skull. Good times.

[@ThiskidKnowledge]

Loved this game as a kid. Nights instead doing homework playing this or make sure I did my homework on the school bus so I had more free time play this

[@striberx]

I too missed these types of games... I would love a new one, where its practically like the final season of the original series. Your Character Duelist, pushed back in time into the Pharaoh to help with some new threat, and at first it seems like you're the only one with a "modern" deck, but then new opponents appear and things get crazy for ya. I just find that this could be an interesting/fun idea.

[@AndrewPagel9628]

You know, if you do these more often, I would love it if you looked into The Falsebound Kingdom.

[@darkjammin79]

I had such a great time with this game back in the day and a few years ago when a casual hour turned into a weekend routine for a couple months. I was last grinding up card experience so my master could get higher ranks along with other favorites. Actually don't recall succeeding or even what the highest is, so assuming it went up a little and that was it. If it wasn't for a couple certain games taking up my gametime thoroughly, I'd try a little more again. Loved this review and hope more come to see it. Modern yugioh is.... Master Duel taught me more than enough of the modern playstyle, that is all.

[@maliksyv6056]

Glad to see SeeReax making a cameo on MangaKamen channel. 0:29

[@thewafflepan4538]

duelist of roses false bound kingdom those were my jam

[@lavalord96]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS GAME OH MY GOD-

[@AsuraDandy]

i'm half convinced that the people who made the cards and the game developers were like "I think this is how you play the game" before they came up actual rules.

[@snark567]

I really need to check this game out, when I was young I used to make up alternative playstyles where you move the cards on a grid but I never knew there was actually a game that did something like that. So far the only YuGiOh game I still play is a modified version of The Power of Chaos that has extra cards added to it. I have manually tweaked the the weaker monster cards so that they're actually useful and I've made custom decks for the AI to battle with.

[@moh.syafrianabie8899]

Wow, you have the same interest like me: tweaking bad yugioh cards. Do you have any way for us to talk about yugioh stuffs? Maybe discord or something?

[@matthewriddle2698]

I would never side with Seto because if I am Isekaied, I DO NOT have any plans whatsoever of returning to this timeline of this world. EVER! Like I'm making a whole new damn life on that world unless it's somehow, someway, a place even I despise more than living on this world. And that takes a lot for me to say or feel that way about. That said, I DO wish they did more with the story. Like everyone treats the Duelists as more valuable than an army of well trained knights thanks to their powers as Duelists, the monsters they can summon, using magic and trap cards that affects the world around them like Psychic Duelists do or the Ancient Egyptians summoning real monsters for some idea to compare. Imagine if they honestly tried mixing dueling and some situations where you needed to use your cards to survive real encounters with soldiers, bandits, assassins, or go exploring different parts of the world as you move from one territory to the next looking for the Rose Cards. Learning the legend of the Rose Cards and their connection TO YOU, why only you can wield the true potential of the Rose Cards, how they have powers over time(RED) and space(WHITE), and actually bond with all the characters potentially. But have little routes opened if you bond with certain characters more than others! I have no problem with the "lowkey dating sim" as you put it from Tag Force, I loved that mechanic and wished they used it a bit more honestly as I did enjoy bonding with my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh Ladies, I'll admit. Plus it would be great if we could also bond with our own Deck Master, our Duel Spirit who has a connection to our very soul unlike all the other cards in our deck. There is a lot of potential here for unique bonding scenes, action or stealth based elements of using the right cards to deal with various situations, exploration and discovery of the world around you and your own legend that you are connected to this world about, and seeing how your actions CAN and WILL change things if you so desire! I'd love nothing more than to Remake this game with a bigger card pool and build up to expand the lore and world building of this game, as well as add unique scenes as you bond with certain characters which can lead to special favors granted to you as you play along as these characters want to look out for you and get to know you more. And really show WHY Duelists were considered the one man/woman armies of both sides of this war that is more valuable than an army of well trained knights! If I was doing this, I'd probably restrict myself to the card pool of up to 5Ds on my first go personally, but XYZ has WAY too many decks that FTK or OTK, or go absolutely nuts with how fast they are. Don't EVEN get me started on Pendulum or Link...I feel 5Ds has a good card pool size without going too far in how many cards I need to make new effects for just to keep the game slow and strategic, with an element of luck. I don't doubt I'd be changing A LOT of cards even with the 5Ds era restriction, but at least it's a limit that is still decently sized for many possible decks to work with and styles for everyone to give a try playing once done.

[@Greg501-]

Regardless of how you feel about Rush Duels, there is no excuse for its entire TCG region exposure to be a single video game with no updates, and unofficial simulators like Duelingbook

[@morphtroniccelfon1]

I never played this game however one I remember fondly playing was Yu-Gi-Oh Falsebound Kingdom, it was a sort of RTS style game and it had the usual Kaiba and Yugi routes but had a secret 3rd route to unlock. Would be cool to see you review it!

[@SuperGoker64]

Seconded. Really wish there were mods for that one as well, like there are for DoR, Forbidden Memories and Reshef.

[@zedorian6547]

I also would love to see Falsebound Kingdom on the channel. It certainly could stand to get some more love as that game was awesome, plus it kind of took this type of story and fleshed it out more than DoR did

[@benjaminthomaslanham7964]

I think it was a missed opportunity to do a sequel dealing with the revolutionary war, or go all in on a Sengoku period type game like war of the roses.

[@MrDibara]

Imagine a War of the Three Kingdoms version of this. Or better yet, a Trojan War one!

[@ee822]

Konami did recently try to experiment with Yu-Gi-Oh having other styles with Cross Duel, but unfortunately it had poor stability (crashing on official streams), it went really high on target specs for a mobile release do few could even try it, and a poor monetization model. They did go pretty strong with 3d models for every card in that game (wasn't every card in the card pool but it was a decent number) and various animations, so time will tell if they toss them out entirely or use them in a new project beyond just mates for Master Duel.

[@Envy_May]

they weren't even the same models as the ones in master duel

[@DanteCrowlley]

I never played any Yugi game besides the TCG that was really fun, during GS arc, the games were always funny in the beginning but boring or absurdly peak difficult later

[@WTK55]

Tip for people who want a GREAT starter machine deck, use the name "BLAZE" (not sure if all caps is needed). It's a cringy name sure but the deck is amazing with most of your monsters are machines.

[@squeethemog213]

Thanks for another fun video game review man. It was awesome thou I did notice some audio issues while watching. Still thank you again and have an awesome day :D

[@DarkEclipse23]

I come back to this video a lot because before the gba gx game and nightmare troubadour and legacy of the duelist, this game was the most played I ever did. So it’s been nice to hear about this game. I mean yeah I played falsebound kingdom and capsule corp. but Both were so difficult and vexing I rarely enjoyed replaying it. Anyways for the hundredth time. Great vid! 💯

[@shadowfang1034]

I bought this game as a kid but it only had english text instead of the five languages that games in europe usually support. I returned it because I had no Idea what I was doing. Years later I emulated it and had a great time, its definitely much better to actually play than forbidden memories where you are almost forced to go for the meteor B. Dragon deck to stand a chance to the ridiculously overpowered enemies

[@The1AndOnlyGoldenboy]

To this day, this is still my favorite Yu-Gi-Oh game. It could definitely have more substance, for sure, but the gameplay loop is more than enough fun to pick it back up here and there and play it again... which is a lot more than what can be said about most YGO games.

[@EnigmaBarry]

I have fond memories of Duelist of the Roses. I forget how but somehow I discovered a fusion for Roaring Ocean Snake and later Aqua Dragon. Couldn't beat Pegasus's Toon Terrain without them. I agree, the AI is bad. While you can't deck out, I remember a fight where the AI wouldn't do ANYTHING with their cards (move, attack, summon, etc). The fight was at a stalemate, but I had more LP, so rather than risk security for a speedy conclusion I waited it out for 99 Turns and won due to more life points.

[@DingusMcKringus]

I'm so glad you gave that Mako theme a little spotlight in this, that shit is a certified BANGER

[@JtheDuelist]

Ah, Duelist of the Roses- a game fun enough that me and my friend are currently in the middle of recreating the game in Tabletop Simulator (yes, we know there are already like 7 others, but they have their own flaws in it that me and my friend didn't like), and we are planning to make it the best possible one it can be- we've already done stuff like add in Synchro and Xyz monsters, completely reworked the idea of Link monsters from the ground up, added the Ritual-turned-Fusion cards from the Redux mod, included a small handful of songs from Roses into the table's music playlist, 3D tiles, structure decks, and a lot more stuff. The only thing really keeping us from releasing it to the public at this point are some irl things and gathering some good screenshots of the table in action.

[@Mike-xh2vm]

You should upload videos of it.

[@marxxplaysgames]

I just realized... it isn't just anyone embodying Tudor, that's specifically Yami Yugi... of course he'd be the villain he's the dark yugi

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Lives up to the name "the terrible Tudors"

[@Holacalaca]

duelist of the roses is half deck building card game half strategy game, an intersection I today realize is something I love, it is a gem in the rough and i wish we had more of the crazy janky fun of making 5 mystical elves with 4k attack each

[@ninjabros6282]

@MangaKamen sorry for the Multiple Ping meant to say Yu-Gi-Oh:Falsebound Kingdom for the GameCube like that game was a Gorgeous Chunk of my Childhood and If you saying RPGs dude Falsebound Kingdom IS THE RPG!?

[@HyperFlame64V1]

3:50 Ik where that Screenshot's From....you can't fool me that's the Create-A-Wrestler from WWE SMACKDOWN! Here Comes The Pain XD

[@akirarose3947]

"Whos the villian of this game!" Well to be fair yugi is taking the roll of the father of the infamous King Henry 8th.....