2R DRAG RACE HYPERNAKED 2020

[@leroyjones769]

Love the fact that you had English subtitles

[@tenzinphendey5143]

Yea right

[@milindupasan1646]

Lmao I saw this after watching the video without sub

[@M63Tod]

This competition says more about the riders. Still fun to watch.

[@zihhadtaufik6816]

Oh come ooon...both riders its pro bro

[@M63Tod]

@@zihhadtaufik6816 sure. But each are also different. It’s ok that it’s not a great comparison of actual performance, it’s still interesting.

[@lucatettamanti4345]

+1

[@nauatg]

@@M63Tod No way. A 25 hp less powered bike pawned all the others. Fact.

[@M63Tod]

@@nauatg a lot of uncontrolled variables. You could be down 25hp and win if your weight is low enough and torque and skill and power deliver are good enough. None of it matters though. They are all fast and good and it’s a fun video.

[@matgan2813]

This is one of the best videos I have ever seen

[@wolfpack1740]

My opinion is that Aprilia is looking more like a half sports bike not like a fully naked bike.

[@Omar_675_24]

is a RSV4 ...whit 175 cv

[@pdark3930]

Great comparison! But it looked liked when you got the proper launch on the Kawasaki it was the fastest

[@dueruote]

Hi, well... yes and no. Please read our commentaries below on the (mutual) influence of the rider (and of the bike)!

[@alperark9546]

It's hard to keep the front end down on the Kawa. You can see a wheelie in almost every race. That took half a second off of the drag time of the Kawa. All bikes are great. Ducati is a notch above if we're comparing in terms of sports naked. ZH2 is better for long rides. KTM is completely nuts. Aprilia and MV Agusta I'm not so intrigued.

[@ruysk]

The Tuono even wins a dragrace, not just most of the comparison tests. You can have personal preferences for another bike but the Tuono is still the benchmark in this group. Amazing.

[@mcnevets]

guess why there are no times messured. its italian video and bikes. For real, on low distance its really hard to beat torque. ;)

[@Sumamizzu]

Finalmente un video diverso dal solito 😉 grandi!

[@Antmanmoto]

Thanks to whoever put subs! Made me even more glad I have a Tuono in my garage

[@timothy9596]

Same here. Even if I had an unlimited budget, I'd still take my Tuono 1100 Factory all day, every day.

[@rasamr7960]

@@timothy9596 isn't the suzuki Bking better overall?

[@6speedsti241]

is it broke as they constantly are

[@giammaucapeokgaming752]

Bel video, davvero. Complimenti ♥️

[@abymathew295]

Salute to you guys...nobody does sbk drag races anymore...its really gud to see you guys doin it....loooovvvve it...😍😍😍😍😍

[@Anirban_Mahato]

The competition was between Street fighter and Brutale 1000rr

[@theonlyredspecial]

Great video. Thanks for the subtitles guys !!! 🤘🏻

[@dueruote]

Be sure to watch the 2021 edition as well!

[@henrylewin7677]

Great video - thank you for the English subtitles and what a machine the tuono is, can’t wait for them to update the styling and it’s good to see how far Ducati has come with launching as it would have been like the brutale 10 years ago... it’s the whole package that tuono, which speaks volumes for how good it must be as a road bike, where 40-100 is where it counts most really...

[@M4rkmcc21]

Tuono is so good as its the one thats ironed out its problems. Its a well proven bike. Long live the iconic v4 1100

[@sebbekartellen6493]

Carro pierdala ibak modin beshag nachoj blin!

[@ludovicosestilli6654]

Ciao,interessante prova e un po sorpreso del risultato.......sorpreso bene pero... :) Adoro la Tuono..... Un saluto

[@matthewminogue3276]

I love my 2016 tuono. What a machine! Even as an experienced driver you got to respect it.

[@a.s.5280]

Me too. The '16 model is awesome, best sound by the way.

[@coz875]

I enjoyed this video! This is a good short acceleration street comparison. The Ape has the torque and chassis IMO.. wins a street comp any day. The Duc would have done better if it had more tarmac to wind out, The H2 is a beast but its hard to dial in the suspension, The KTM is a hooligan wheelie machine, and the MV is a beauty but cost way too much coin. OK, I am slightly biased as a Tuono owner but I did my research.. Mostly on KZbin.. LOL keep it up!

[@henrylewin7677]

Thanks for the subtitles - pleased with my Aprilia - couldn’t help but root for it 😂

[@pregno76]

Insomma MV e tutta scena..grande Aprilia

[@dextermorgan5083]

Sono un ducatista fino all'osso....ma quando vedo una tuono, mi tolgo il casco.... Bravi!! 🇮🇹

[@Ericpayne10]

Ma che te frega Chi vince..l estetica la streetfighter non la batte nessuna

[@jopaco85]

Awesome vid! thanks for the English subtitles. Such amazing bikes in 2021.

[@kssi488]

Fantastico! Forza Aprilia!!! E solamente incredibile!

[@Graziano85]

Figuriamoci quando esce la nuova tuono cosa può fare. Brava Aprilia

[@headsiller4757]

Aprilia fa schifo

[@sebbekartellen6493]

Idiotin koran?

[@gufogamer2939]

@@headsiller4757 stai zitto

[@gufogamer2939]

MT 10 2021 vai a vedere il video se la mangia l'Aprilia😂

[@rosariopannuzzo3134]

Forte l' APRILIA tuono nonostante i 33cv in meno si è difesa come un leone, incredibilmente veramente. Bella la prova 👍

[@mbal4052]

Drag races are totally irrelevant and wouldn’t influence my buying decision at all. But you seem like a good bunch of lads having some fun (gen3 KTM 1290Superduke owner)

[@nauatg]

Is totally relevant and significant of clever engeneering. Put a lot of power and lower weight is not enough. It s good when talking in a bar to play the boss but real quality is somewhere else. Clutch, homogeneity, geometry and balance. Aprilia a discreet queen. contrary of exuberant duc or KTM.

[@randyheiser5367]

I have a 2019 Supertorque and it's so much fun to ride. Brraap, wheelie.

[@matthewminogue3276]

@@nauatg I have to agree, I'd take an aprilia hands down over a duc or KTM.

[@AllThingsSuperMoto]

Totally agree. While the SDR is definitely not the fastest it is the best street bike out of the bunch. It has the most usable power for the street plus is the most exhilarating to ride. Next up would be the aprilia. The ducati is fast but is rather dull of an experience because it is so tame. If you want the fastest bike your in the wrong category all together.

[@riccardo9132]

Bellissimo video

[@giorgiodellatti5220]

Bellissime le drag race continuate a farne delle altre💪🏾💪🏾 Se riuscite a trovare un rettilineo più lungo potete fare le partenze da 80km/h

[@fernandobrum6906]

Brutale ❤,tuono ❤

[@tenzinphendey5143]

Thank you so much for this really enjoyed and really hope one day i will keep one of them It was a fun video

[@pranjit_ninja3003]

The most beautiful drag races of 2020😘

[@Nofilter1976]

I think MV Agusta must have watched this video because 2021 they now have launch control on their 800 Brutale and Dragsters and new updates to keep the front wheel down.

[@maheshkadam8978]

What a video yaar I love this video

[@racer_v4r]

Ducati is the best 👌🏻❤

[@philliprobertlawman2232]

Awesome show Guys 👍👍👍

[@magapatozo]

EXCELENTE PREUBA, SALUDO DESDE COLOMBIA.

[@casey2732]

So Panigale is the fastest one and that's why Aprilia won 😉

[@TheMeridian808]

Panigale is shit

[@justinatmidi]

@@TheMeridian808 hater?

[@alx116]

aprilia has an akrapovic full system.Streetfighter is with the oem exhaust

[@noone-yc3lz]

Long race possible?

[@dueruote]

Technically yes, we can safely test up to 1.500 m on our track. But the 400 m is an internationally accepted standard, that shows a number of features of each bike (torque, torque distribution, weigth, weight distribution, clutch feeling, electronics...) whereas the longer the race, the more sheer power/top speed become important. In an infinite race, you ultimately test only top speed. That's not so interesting we feel.

[@noone-yc3lz]

@@dueruote tnks for replying.... just a wish to see one only

[@hassanuddin6923]

Longer races would be cool and interesting content

[@repsolcbr2543]

Great job 👍👍👍

[@stewartknight7464]

Great video guys, good skills, thank you for sharing.

[@memeacademy2295]

Grande tuono... mi aspettavo l h2 almeno 2A

[@mariostefano8661]

L'h2 con cento metri in piu di strada secondo me potrebbe vincere

[@memeacademy2295]

@@mariostefano8661 molto probabile..... Però.... in tutto il mondo, da sempre, le gare di accelerazione si fanno sui 402 mt o 1/4 di miglio ... quello conta

[@jasonadajet4659]

If you did not understand what his saying..He said "He don't like the race."

[@kalheer]

Great video.. 👏👏

[@eduardoangeles7957]

1:29 look at the power of zh2

[@factsyoudidntknow9861]

After all the aprilia bike RSV4 was a motogp champion and the turno is its naked version. And im surprised how the bike with lesss power compares to others seems to overcome and become the winner . Aprilia!!!

[@alx116]

the bike has a slip on exhaust or a full system..So is stock.And so is faster lol

[@abymathew295]

Pls make the races longer, together with all the bikes, quarter mile is not enough for a bike to prove itself....

[@Csirkefoga]

Why exactly? These are naked streetbikes. Is it realistic to think that these bikes should be used to jump to hyperspeed and appear in another galaxy, all while cruising in the city, cause these are streetfighters not racebikes. Drag races are the perfect test because they demonstrate what usable power these bikes have. It's just funny fo watch how a present day, horsepower laden Ducati loses to a 10 yr old Tuono, because the Tuono is much better adapfed to the conditions it's marketed for: streetfighting. 😂

[@nostranger2u]

A rolling race would be more accurate.

[@jogreen3266]

@@Csirkefoga You never do a 400 meter drag race from 0 on the road. A rolling race would be more realistic. You can see that the Ducati catches up, but the track is to short. On a longer track the Ducati would pass the Tuono.

[@Csirkefoga]

@@jogreen3266 I'll still stick to my comment. Yes You do these kind of races. From one red light to the other. These are NOT track bikes.

[@jogreen3266]

@@Csirkefoga These are neither real racing bikes nor city bikes. If you just want do boring short drag races, get a yamaha v-max or BMW K1300 R. With the long wheelbase you will crush all of this bikes in short drag races. All of the bikes in this video are propper sports bikes. They are perfect fore country roads. Don`t know where you are fromm, but in my country you have planty of nice country roads without distractinc traffic lights and all of them are more then 400 meter long. Riding bikes like the Tuono, Ducati or KTM in the city is like driving with a dragster on the nürburgring.

[@Diskubredor76]

your subscriber here from the Philippines, yeah beybe

[@B.Gianni]

Bella sfida complimenti. Sarebbe stato interessante posizionare una videocamera al traguardo e vedere l arrivo delle due moto

[@dueruote]

Ciao Gianni, purtroppo abbiamo avuto problemi proprio con la videocamera al traguardo (e in parte anche con il drone). In tutte le altre nostre drag race trovi e troverai il photo finish.

[@TheAddictivesundew]

Proud owner of a Tuono V4 1100 factory here. 👍

[@Dinara1up]

Awesome! Bello! Next time, make the distance double and watch the Ducati's horespower!

[@M4rkmcc21]

The gap between the zh2 (its best lauch) and sdr is much greater than the SF and sdr. Give that zh2 a good launch and itl beat all these no matter the distance or skill of rider.

[@кнття]

Ultimate ✨🔥🔥

[@gregfield2906]

Great video. You guys should do some roll on tests that would show more of the performance of the bike and not the rider.

[@dueruote]

Hi Greg. We do not really get this "intrinsic bike performance" thing that many viewers seem to favor. When you do a drag race you assess in the process the torque amount; torque distribution over the rev line; clutch feeling and behavior; ability of the chassis to use the torque by limiting the wheeling of the bike and the spin of the rear wheel; ability of the electronics package to assist the chassis in doing so... and it's for free! All those aspects are relevant for a rider in a real street (or track) use of its bike, therefore we think the quarter mile drag race is good for the show bur good as well for the evaluation of the bikes. When you do a rolling test - viceversa, and possibly over greater distances - you essentially assess only the sheer power and power distribution of the engine. That's maybe interesting in itself, but we feel that it's a lot less interesting than a drag race from standstill. Even though the rider skills of course kick in - but that's how life goes, after all. But to level off things, in this tournament we drew the rider of each bike in each race - and had the same tyres for every bike, for instance. So while we're always thinking of new formats and tests, it's unlikely that we'll perform rolling starts. We hope you will keep following us nevertheless!

[@bobaslavefett111]

@@dueruote A drag race from a rolling start still tests all those things you listed it just removes the variable of the rider getting a good launch and "winning" the race. If a rider gets a better launch than the other how is that testing the performance of the bike? A perfect example is the tuono beating the street fighter, the tuono has inferior electronics and is down on power, the only reason it won was because of a good start by the rider.

[@dueruote]

That's an interesting point. We believe that there is no such thing as "intrinsic bike performance" as the influence of the rider (its weight, size, the way he moves forwards or backwards, the way he pulls the handlebar and so on) is never negligible. Not even in a rolling start test. The performance ALWAYS comes from the combination bike+rider - we have clear evidence of this on any race Sunday in MotoGP - and that is why we love motorcycles so much. The Tuono V4 is second to none in terms of electronics and we do not see why you assume it is inferior to the Streetfighter V4, or that our testers purposedly let the Aprilia win. The Tuono won because it has a better clutch feeling and makes it easier to pull a great start than the Streetfighter does. Additionally this was a tournament, meaning that to consistently get good starts is better rewarded than to get one exceptionally good start any two or three mediocre starts. It is not the rider who decided to start better with the Aprilia; rather, the Aprilia does a wonderful job in putting the rider at ease in any run: once again, it is the combination bike+rider that wins, and in a quarter mile drag race you most probably end up wanting to be the rider on that bike - even if the Ducati comes really close, and would surely win a 500 m drag race. Unfortunately, the 1/4 mile is a standard race and we do not want to set up arbitrary rules just to have a different winner!

[@JoUtan01]

@@bobaslavefett111 typical ducati owner cannot except the result, why dont we make the drag strip further than 1/4 mile, until the ducati streetfighter wins ..lol

[@bobaslavefett111]

@@JoUtan01 No I just like seeing what the bike can do not the rider. I actually own the 2020 super duke.

[@take_it_slow_alex]

Don’t know about other bikes, but I had 1100 Aprilia tuono factory and Streetfighter v4s. Sfv4s is no doubt both easier to launch and faster pretty much at any speed after 100kmh, gap increases dramatically after 150 kmh or so. Tuono was an awesome bike, nevertheless.

[@fahaduncut309]

Nice mate

[@XstorX16]

I'm prefer the Ducati streetfighter v4s the Aprilia have a so good launch but the no is fast i think the Ducati can win with 50 metres more. The Best drag race I expected this race months ago

[@JoUtan01]

What really you want is 1/4 mile strip + 50 meters so the ducati streefighter will come out on top in this test...lol

[@Fearless154]

@@JoUtan01 Actually in my local drag strip stock tuono 1100 does stable 10.4s 1/4 mile and sub-10s with experienced drag racer. 1/4 mile Numbers on Streetfighter v4 wasn't that impressive so the best I've seen so far is 10.7s Panigale v4 the 1/4mile was 10.1s beside the v2 twin models like 1199 and 1299 which could easily go sub 10s Ducati v4 doesn't do well in 1/4 mile.

[@barbieandbellaadventuresby9134]

Anton Newman - To be expected really, the Street fighter is a naked bike where as the others such as the 1299 are fared and much more slippery at higher speeds.

[@Fearless154]

@@barbieandbellaadventuresby9134 Actually Panigale 1299 faster than Panigale v4 in 1/4mile. 1299 is very capable of 9.6s-9.8s but v4 struggles to go under 10s and pretty much 10.1s is the best. It's just a nature of the Panigale v4 it's peakier and top-end oriented while 1299 got brutal mid-range but not as powerful on the top end as v4. So shorter drag races 1299 is faster especially out of the line. So it's not about the fairings.

[@armankiarmankii]

The streetfighter actually a limit on how much torque it can put down during the 1-4 gears so the bike won't end up flying,hence why you can almost always see the panigale screeching ached with quite similar specs🙃

[@migo9625]

Ktm duke is not the fastest naked bike but probably one of the best street bikes

[@federicoferrari9273]

Oh come ci godo... Se non si è in MotoGP, i 200+ CV servono a poco. Case produttrici, smettetela di pompare le potenze! Diminuite i kg e i costi zioccane!

[@banditfighter3295]

Federico Ferrari questi sono scemi.... io in giro con la mia GSX S 750 secondo me va già tantissimo x le strade di merda che abbiamo.... queste moto n hanno nessun senso...

[@federicoferrari9273]

Ma infatti... E poi vedo gente che compra missili del genere e non li porta mai in pista.

[@conteoful]

Infatti, un esempio pratico possono essere la duke 790/890r, street triple rs 765 ed mt 09 che sono "ingestibili" nelle nostre strade e molti hanno anchr paura di non girare con i controlli attivi. Credo che la calleria giusta sia sui 150/160 oppure si arrivarei ai 180 come ktm ma già avere 200cv secondo me è solo spreco di soldi e "salute"

[@ericyvr1]

Tuono Factory is still the King of HyperNakeds!

[@alx116]

lol ducati sf v4s is better...

[@chichoballack]

I have aprilia SRV 850 my next bike will be the Tuono V4 1100 seguramente

[@NoMercy-u3u]

Good job

[@dipietrom74]

Gara interessante, ma ovviamente la lunghezza del percorso era ideale per quella della terra di mezzo. Se fosse stata più corta 100m scatto puro ktm avrebbe vinto. Se fosse stata più lunga 1000 metri penso ducati o kawa

[@Ste15627]

😉

[@armandopiccirillo8753]

Dato che di Tuono non se ne vendono un po' di pubblicità ci voleva...bel video però!

[@ELVIS74]

Te credo che non se ne vendono. O sei ricco o non ti ci avvicini.

[@armandopiccirillo8753]

@@ELVIS74 Vedi che nelle classifiche delle prime cento moto più vendute in Italia ci sono moto come la StreetfighterV4 tra le prime 30 e la SuperdukeR 1290 tra le prime 50. Tra le pime 30 ci sono anche Panigale V4 e la prima in assoluto la BMW GS, oltre 20mila euro di moto. In queste prime 100 neanche un modello Aprilia, non una Tuono, non una RSV4, neanche una Shiver da 8000 euro. Evidentemente quest'Aprila avrà qualche serio problema....

[@ciuffoarancione8929]

@@armandopiccirillo8753 si che la gente di moto non capisce un cazzo, quello è il problema di Aprilia. La, rete di vendita e assistenza non è capillare come quella ducati, ktm ecc ma aprilia le moto sa farle. Rsv old migliore del 996,rsv new migliore del 999,rsv4 migliore supersportiva da anni (un progetto del 2009 che ancora tiene testa alla concorrenza) ...e le tuono idem..e adesso esce il 660 che per 10.000 euro offre tanta qualità. Ducati con 10.000 euro ti da un cazzo...con questo non sminuisco ducati e ktm che sono tra i miei marchi preferiti ma che le aprilia non si vendono perché non vanno bene è una stronzata. Semplicemente ducati, ktm, bmw sono marchi visti come status symbol, aprilia no.

[@armandopiccirillo8753]

@@ciuffoarancione8929 Io non credo che la gene non ne capisce di moto.Non puoi pretendere di vendere moto come una RSV4 e poi farmi rivolgere all'assistenza Piaggio per la manutenzione e per di più non hai i ricambi. Per moto un po' più datate, come la RSV, non produci più i ricambi mentre Honda, per fare un esempio, ha disponibili ancora i ricambi per le moto anni '80. L'Aprilia vorrebbe solo venderle le moto e poi, cliente e venditore, ognuno per la sua strada, non è così che si fà! Poi , migliore di Ducati...non farmi ridere, almeno Ducati rappresenta competizione ad alto livello con ottimi risultati, Aprilia tentativi e rotture di motori e piloti a piedi, le vittorie ormai se le ricorda mio nonno.

[@ciuffoarancione8929]

@@armandopiccirillo8753 si perché ducati ti vende la moto con cui ha vinto bayliss, stoner ecc..eccolo il ragionamento da italiano medio. L'rsv4 nel 2009 quando è uscita ha spaccato il culo a tutti. Era avanti di 10 anni e lo dimostra il fatto che quel progetto ancora oggi va avanti. Concordo sull'assistenza pietosa. Ma uno che spende 20.000 euro per una moto dubito si faccia il problema dei pezzi di ricambio tra 15 anni. Avrà già una moto nuova di pacca da 25.000 euro. La verità è che nel 2020 se vuoi la miglior naked sportiva la tuono v4 è la scelta. Altrimenti restando su potenze umane street triple rs. L'Aprilia vince le comparative da una vita. Tutti pagati? Ducati paga meno di Aprilia? Ne dubito...vogliamo parlare della componentistica che aprilia ti molla sulla rs 660 da 10.000 euro? Ducati a quel prezzo ti da la scrambler con una forca del cazzo e un motore che fa ridere i polli. Non parliamo dei vecchi monster poi. Eppure vende. Perché? Status symbol. E ripeto, ducati è un marchio che mi piace perché fa ottime moto e anche belle. Ma aprilia nella sostanza non è da meno sulle moto top di gamma, anzi..no ma poi davvero stiam parlando di scegliere la moto in base alla classifica di vendite? Porco giuda che pena...

[@davidxu916]

You guys didn't get the bikes with Launch Control?

[@dueruote]

Yes, all the bikes had launch control. But we chose not to use it for a number of reasons - reason number one being that in a tournament with 4 or 5 races in one hour of a hot summer day, using the launch with engines this powerful would destroy any clutch. We would probably not be able to use it more than 1 or 2 times, for each of these bikes has a recovery mode that kicks in after that.

[@davidxu916]

@@dueruote thank you for your reply. yes the clutch overheating could definitely be a problem if using multiple times. My KTM only allows 3 tries then need to wait.

[@kenwatanabe7595]

any laptime battle among these bikes?

[@dueruote]

Sure! We did it with the pro rider Tommaso Marcon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5eXhY1rj5upjaM

[@kenwatanabe7595]

@@dueruote that was awesome!!

[@nostranger2u]

Let's see these on a tight track. The Superduke will be much higher.

[@siegfriedz8211]

Superduke would be higher for sûre. At least above zh2. But Tuono would still win.. it is the best naked.

[@Ivan-bg1jp]

@@siegfriedz8211 but objectively the ugliest of the bunch tbh

[@siegfriedz8211]

@@Ivan-bg1jp how it looks is everything except objective. See, for me it is the best looking of the bunch, even the old one like in this vidéo.

[@eduardoangeles7957]

Zh2 is the best for me so much power that is why the front wheel go up

[@Max-Grisù]

Ciao, prova già pubblicata, se ricordo bene, circa 1 mese fa. Trovo strana una cosa, Ducati vince su Kawa, Aprilia perde con Kawa, Aprilia vince con Ducati... Credo che queste prove soffrano troppo dell'influenza di come viene fatta la partenza, infatti dal video si vede che Ducati recupera molto su Aprilia. Non ci sono i tempi di ogni sfida, ma dubito che su ogni sfida la medesima moto abbia replicato sempre gli stessi risultati.

[@dueruote]

Ciao Max, sì la prima Drag Race l'avevamo inserita nel nostro TG ma ora la pubblichiamo in forma autonoma perché farà parte di una serie di sfide sul quarto di miglio che stiamo organizzando (avrai già visto la seconda, kzbin.info/www/bejne/rInWk6CtiZeUgrM). Quanto alla prova, Aprilia non perde con Kawasaki ma pareggia, e comunque non si può applicare la proprietà transitiva ai risultati perché ogni gara fa storia a sé. Abbiamo scelto la formula del torneo proprio per evidenziare la ripetibilità della prestazione, altrimenti sarebbe bastato misurare il tempo migliore su 3 partenze (cosa che peraltro abbiamo fatto). Quindi sono state premiate le moto con cui è mediamente più facile realizzare una buona partenza. Ducati recupera molto su Aprilia perché ha oltre 30 CV in più, rapporti più lunghi ma uno stacco frizione meno sensibile, quindi parte peggio e poi recupera. In generale ogni moto ha una curva di accelerazione diversa, e qui sta il bello della prova!

[@Fanatic17]

7:00 😂😂😂😂

[@ridesolo-0815]

I think the results more depend on each rider's skill.

[@Ste15627]

The two testers are specialized in instrumental measurements and are able to repeat very similar performances;-) Keep following us🤙🏼

[@SWISSMotoR]

We want the M1000RR VS THE DUCATI STREET FIGHTER V4S

[@dueruote]

You have in in our 2023 edition of the Drag Race!

[@estoylaroca]

What? Did you guys make an error or what. In the Aprilia vs ZH2 race, you said it was a tie, but then later on, it now says Aprilia wins? It looks like the ZH2 would be the overall winner since on both races it "lost", the front wheel went up... and at the later races, the difference between the competitors is huge. On the fight of ZH2 vs Aprilia, the wheel went up, but it was a draw... so what now if it didn't wheel up?

[@dueruote]

Sorry but we do not get your point. Every single race is different and this is a tournament, so it can happen that different races have different outcomes if the two bikes are tied in performance. Yet the Tuono has been the most consistent, while the Z H2 has a lot of raw power but its electronics does not fully come to terms with it. The ability to convert torque into acceleration is the result of the combination of good chassis + good electronics, and the Aprilia has shown to have the best overall package, altough its engine is less powerful. "If it didn't wheel up" simply is not what it has happened.

[@estoylaroca]

@@dueruote I also don't get your point. You can see with better management, the wheels didn't go up. You didn't have any electronics upgrade in-between rides, only an improvement in technique. It seems that you are blaming the motorcycle for the lack of technique of your rider. How would it be a fair comparison between the bikes if the rider component is vastly different between each race. Put a beginner on the Aprilla, and put a professional on the Duke, I'm sure you can guess who would win.

[@dueruote]

Well, we drew straws on each race between our two guys, more or less equally apt in starts. They are both senior testers, of course you cannot rule out the human factor, but a lot of criticism has come from people who do believe in "intrinsic bike performance". There is no such thing unless you would love to live in a future fully ruled by machines (and still). The performance of the bike comes from a combination of sheer power, chassis, electronics, clutch behavior AND the way it all translates into feedback/feeling for the rider. The Tuono has won our race because it is largely better than any other in putting the rider at ease each time, making it simple to pull a good start. This is of capital importance in a tournament, whereas the Z H2 is one of the most difficult bikes to launch because of its tencency to wheel up. You are asking if without this tendency, or in that single, perfect launch out of 100 the Z H2 would win over any other bike? Probably so. But life - and races - are also made of the other 99 starts, and you cannot expect that anyone else waits for that perfect performance. The Tuono launches nearly perfect each time, with ease, and that's why it won. Imagine you are racing with your friends on an airport lane on a single run: if you had some experience of all these bikes, we're pretty sure that you would end up wanting to be on a Tuono, even if the some other bike is hypotetically faster.

[@brunoexelandre3398]

Thanks more🛴👍

[@micheledemuto]

Si va bene, Mv Agusta con meno kg e più cv e più aerodinamica perde contro tutte, deve essere proprio forte chi la guidava, la guidava un nonno senza patente? Che fastidio perché si vede ed era impossibile che rimaneva anche così indietro ma anche semplicemente contro Kawasaki che ha un quarto della coppia, dai ragazzi sveglia

[@Ste15627]

🤣🤣

[@dueruote]

Ciao Michele, mandaci la tua formula per calcolare il tempo in accelerazione a partire da kg, CV e coefficiente di penetrazione aerodinamica: noi proviamo ad applicarla, e se funziona ci evitiamo la fatica di organizzare le prossime drag race!

[@PaulPaul-qv3vw]

Ahahhshsh

[@TheLiddleBigChannel]

Launching an MV is not easy...unless you've owned one long enough to know how simple it really is! I'm not surprise the Aprilia Tuono won because this bike might seem old and stale but in its umpteenth iteration it's perfect. I'm sure the 2020 Triumph Speed Triple 1050 Rs would have surprised the tester, had it been included.

[@Pathan.786]

you guy's notice that zh2 has that much power in it ..that every time when he is opening the throttle .. bike is ready to fly..🔥

[@dueruote]

Yes we noticed. Its willingness to fly its precisely the reason why it did not win: when launching, it's constantly pointing its front end to the sky.

[@stuntx_8773]

Sarebbe carino sapere i tempi migliori assoluti..

[@dueruote]

I tempi sono pubblicati insieme a tutti i rilevamenti su Dueruote, come sempre. Ma non sono rilevanti nel contesto di questa gara, come abbiamo già discusso altre volte.

[@blamestormer9941]

Did you not take race times?

[@dueruote]

Yes, with our Starlane Corsaro-R tool. But in a tornament we felt that they weren't relevant and won't publish them race by race. We did our standard performance assessment however, taking the best out of several runs (on a different day). The results have been published on our printed issue, as we normally do.

[@Zaghitoss]

Perché non fate la stessa prova su 1/2 miglio e magari con l'utilizzo del launch control? Sarebbe bello vedere come le varie centraline gestiscono l'accelerazione

[@dueruote]

Ciao Ale, Stiamo valutando se aggiungere altre prove nel 2021, ma il quarto di miglio è un formato di gara standard a livello internazionale per un sacco di buone ragioni - se scorri i commenti, le troverai discusse più volte. Quanto al launch control, aspettiamo di vedere le specifiche tecniche delle moto MY21 e decideremo in accordo con le Case se tutti i modelli sono in grado di sostenere un numero di lanci sufficiente a disputare il torneo. In generale comunque launch control e allungamento della gara sono aspetti distinti: le centraline di solito hanno da fare nei primi 100 metri, dopodiché la tendenza a perdere aderenza e a impennare è ridotta per una questione di rapporto tra la coppia disponibile e l'accelerazione già sviluppata.

[@Zaghitoss]

@@dueruote okkk grazie! Chiedevo perché vedevo che nel 1/4 di miglio avevano ancora tanto tanto da dare. E per il launch magari potrebbe colmare la difficoltà del pilota nel fare una partenza perfetta a "mano libera" con la frizione che penso sia veramente difficile. Comunque sia già questo tipo di prova appunto mi ha riportato a quando vedevo i video dei tornei in Tailandia o Brasile sulle 600 e 1000 Supersport

[@Fearless154]

You guys should have included the s1000r it's old and not as fancy as the bikes here but it's very fast in short drag races also the clutch is perfect on the s1000r.

[@dueruote]

Yes Anton, that's because we chose to only have 5 bikes in this running. But be sure that next year we'll have the MY21 S1000R included!

[@coolintake]

all these bikes will be competing for 2nd place against the VMax

[@alessandrosestili1380]

Com’era impostata l’elettronica della tuono?

[@dueruote]

Completamente libera, come per tutte (nei limiti delle regolazioni disponiibili).

[@estebanv4767]

But The Tuono is using akrapovich exhaust maybe full system as I can see, and Streetfighter the OEM… so it’s no fair… should be stock all of them for the test

[@pajownik]

With only one run each pair, choosing a winner is not necessarily accurate. Entertaining though.

[@motojuve8673]

Kinda sad they didn’t use the z1000 of gsx s 1000 in the video

[@dimasroy5040]

dry clutch in Ducati StreetFighter may be can beat easily or Variation StreetFighter V4 SP -Dry Clutch -Carbon Rims -Carbon Wing + Akrapovic Exhaust

[@vibhorsharmax]

So the most expensive bike is the slowest among these hmmmmm

[@PyroMania61]

you don't buy an MV to be the fastest though.. MV's are more of a status symbol, a collectors item, for the connoisseur that only rides bikes like a sommelier only drinks the finest wines

[@adityabhattacharya4044]

How come they didn't had the z1000?

[@contortzz]

Because the zh2 exists

[@TL1000S97]

Great video and fun to watch. Did miss some numbers, but I guess I have to read the magazine for that :) I like all the bikes in this test., and I did consider Ducati, Aprilia, KTM and Z H2 this year. The Z H2 "won". It is like the video show, pretty difficult to "master" in a drag race. Short wheelbase, relatively "short" gearing = wheelies, wheelies, wheelies. Same with the KTM. My ex B-King was faster than my new Z H2 in a 0-100/200km/h and 0-400m test.. *by far*.. especially in 0-100 where the Z H2 is just darn "slow". Any 600 will match it there. A Street Triple will just annihilate the Z H2 from 0-100. Sad facts.. but I still enjoy my Z H2. As soon as someone "unleash" the beast ("crack open" the ECU) it will show it's real potential in power.. But on a dragstrip - stock chassi - it is not very useful.

[@M4rkmcc21]

The zh2 was pretty much the quickest bike here. So ur saying "any 600" will beat all these bikes? What planet u living on? Bking will never beat the zh2..zzr1400 is on par acceleration wise t the zh2..that has aero. Forget the bking..

[@TL1000S97]

@@M4rkmcc21 I own a Z H2 (unlike you I guess?). I have also owned a B-King and ridden/tested numerous powerful bikes. I do real life testing 0-100, 0-200, 1/4mile etc using the same equipment as "serious" testers. The Z H2 is very bad (stock) from 0-100. A good rider will get about 3.5sec from 0-100. From 100-200 it shines and will be on par with the fastest naked and even RR-models. The "old" S1000R will beat it hands down in 0-100 and 0-200 even if it has 30+HP less. Why? Because you will need to do serious mods with the Z H2 to get the power used for forward momentum(acceleration) and not doing wheelies (even in 4th on a cold day) :) The ECU will even in "sport" mode pull out timing and shut down the EV so the max G stays (in average) around 0.85 which if you do your math.. equals 0-100 in 3.5. Most decent 600cc bikes will also do that.. but the rider can give full throttle and not worry about flipping the bike. :)

[@M4rkmcc21]

@@TL1000S97 currently own a zh2 and a 19 tuono factory. Iv owned the 2020sdr and ridden the SF. By no means is the zh2 "slow" 0-100. Its one of if not the quickest bike here to the 1/4 on a good launch. Granted the bking can get a great 1/4mile but acceleration terms the zh2 has it licked. My zh2 can keep up with a zzr1400 and the owner of the zzr1400 admits its quicker than his old bking. Problem is the street triple will not annihilate the zh2 0-100. Either ur on looney land or ur choice of words for "slow" and "annihilate" are incorrect. Next time u race a street triple modulate ur throttle/clutch better to pass the little 115bhp bike.

[@TL1000S97]

​@@M4rkmcc21 I am pretty sure the experienced tester Motorrad uses for their performance tests is *way more* competent than most keyboard warriors here :) I am just a bit obsessed with drag race/acceleration tests and I have equaled his result for 0-100 and 0-200 in my tests (VBox Sport/Dragy). If you do some research you will see that the Z H2 is not particular fast off the line/0-100km/h. It is mostly due to geometry and some due to gearing. The best results will be with "Rider" and TC=off. I am very happy with my Z H2 and it is a very fast and powerful bike, but still "hampered" with the derestricting in the ECU. This bike should not be derestricted and personally I can not get enough power. A ZZR1400 is much faster (and a lot easier) to launch/accelerate "on the strip" (or street). It is a reason why it is used by the best in the super stock class. It is very good for acceleration *stock*. The Z H2 will surely whop a ZZR1400 lowered/extended swingarm and with the restrictions removed in the ECU. Stock any fast 600 (street triple for example) will beat it from 0-100. Even a GSF1250 will easily beat it to 100km/h.. but then it is bye-bye of course. If you know anything about drag racing you will know that 0.5sec off from 0-100km/h is an eternity. I have lots of runs stored from testing my bikes (Race Logic sw/GPS data logs) and the Z H2 shines from about 180km/h even compared to my 1441cc 200+hp B-King. From 0-100/150 the B-King/GSX1000 just "kill it" (and they are plain easy to launch in comparison).

[@M4rkmcc21]

@@TL1000S97 "keyboard warrior" think I'm talking to one!! 🤣

[@mauriziozanni4161]

All you fanboys here are really annoying: -The video is unfair because it is in Italian (watch something else if you don't like it) -The race is unfair because it is 400m (hence called the quarter mile...duh!!!) -The Aprilia is unfair because is not naked and it is 1078cc -The Ducati is unfair because it is 1103cc -The Ktm is unfair because is 1300cc -The Kawa is unfair because it is supercharged - The Agusta is not fair because it costs a lot of money... Why can't you all keyboard clowns just watch the video and move on without being fanboys for a brand? Ai ragazzi di "due ruote", grazie per il video, peraltro interessante negli spunti.

[@shonroyale5135]

A drone cam wud help give better footage

[@furian2854]

Its really about the launch..

[@angelextrose5677]

La modulabilità della frizione e l'abilità del conducente di tenere giù l'anteriore pelando il freno dietro fa la differenza su prove simili. Ho partecipato a gare simili e con una gsxr 750 k8 si usciva a 235 km/h segnati con rapporti originali 4ª marcia. Non misuravano i tempi. Ho battuto tutti i 1000 old school solo perché quelli erano difficili da gestire allo start e io guadagnavo 25 metri o più nei primi 200 di pista. Le RSV4 e le Panigale erano imbattibili con l'elettronica. Partivano bene allo stacco e poi dai 150 metri in poi progredivano a velocità doppia rispetto a me, rifilandomi distacchi imbarazzanti. Tutte le naked, tuono V4 comprese, non hanno fatto bella figura, riuscendo a spuntarla solo sulle 600 carenate giapponesi quasi sempre.

[@ravintanwar1780]

It's kinda unfair coz the Aprilia does not look like a naked bike

[@Sozin91]

So the V4S beat the ZH2. The ZH2 beat the Tuono. But the Tuono beat the V4S? How does that work?

[@dueruote]

The Z H2 does not beat the Tuono, it's a draw. And then since many bikes are quite close, the outcome is not 100% deterministic. At the end, the best clutch feel helps the rider to achieve more often an optimal launch, which explains why the Tuono comes out the best. This is a tournament and the number of starts has an impact.

[@Marius-Gvr]

Do you guys have the times each bike completed the 400m race?

[@dueruote]

Hi Marius, we have measured each performance with a Starlane Corsaro-R very precise GPS lap timer. But in this tournament it was only important to win the single race and not the time, so we have only published (on our printed issue) the acceleration times on the quarter mile we have measured separately with our standard procedure (best run over 3).

[@TrackCivic]

Awesome, but the repeated music clip before and after every single race was a bit silly

[@massimotinello8697]

Un confronto da tutte le 1000 stradli fino a 300kmh starebbe bello

[@kruseamplification4242]

well done !

[@markjones464]

Which Stock bike is Quickest Over 400 m , the Kawasaki Zxr 14r , 9.92 , Keep trieing All the other bikes , Yes a 8 Year old bike , and Motor Tune , still the King , ( not Bad for Sports Touring Bike , still Dam fast one )

[@lucalima12]

very difficult to start with ducati, the old strretfighter 1098 was even worse

[@helferno19]

Que brutal lo máximo estos manes