The Only Way to Beat Jamie Griffin in BATB 13 (Throw Paper, Stay on Offense, Learn Double Heelflips)

[@King_of_Sofa]

He'll probably see your video and because of that he'll throw scissors. Nice job, way to change the course of history

[@mtgguiltfeeder4111]

I’m gonna bet they have already filmed everything up to Finals Night at this point. Zach recently posted on his YT that he’s in Germany or something rn so clearly his next battle has already been filmed.

[@maga_skater4207]

​@@mtgguiltfeeder4111or round 2 starts filming next week

[@evanmoss6895]

Then he'll see your comment and go rock. Then he'll see my comment and overthink it

[@frozennorth3426]

@@mtgguiltfeeder4111rounds 1 and 2 are likely done for some blocks within the brackets, including griffin’s. no round 3 needs to happen for a while.

[@TheBlakus420]

​@@evanmoss6895Exactly 😂

[@CleverTricksGames]

I love the concept of Game of Skate ELO. You've built an extensive, complete dataset here and it's always fascinating to watch.

[@claysoggyfries]

He definitely is real

[@BLACKSKYCROW]

brooo!!!! he's crazy

[@prettymuchnobody]

You’re definitely going to get hired by some skater in a future batb for a gameplan. What a time to be alive

[@skatetheorist]

If I ever played I would definitely DM dumbdata for a strategy haha

[@WhereThereDude]

Lil wayne is taking notes !

[@elliottwilliamson2560]

Jamie is gonna be the first person to win a game with only 5 tricks

[@Lantement]

Wait for Jamie vs Tyler, the only interesting game of the BATB coming since Spencer Barton is not here. Final vs Cepeda or Cole gonna be quick

[@seanharrison5915]

Bros just written out everything for Jamie to become literally unbeatable 😂

[@ismelljello]

Griffin defies the common idea that “defense wins tournaments”. Just by overwhelming opponents with aggression (hard tricks), he’d rather end the match before they can fight back. Maybe he’s a glass cannon? Either way, that play-style is always a crowd pleaser. He’d probably play captain falcon in smash bros.

[@TheBlakus420]

That's interesting point you make, sir jello

[@English_Harry]

I disagree with crowd pleaser tbh. It's quite a dissatisfying game to see someone have to attempt 5 weird tricks only landed in Irish Sheds and the 1990s and get nowhere near as opposed to two guys landing nearly every trick in the book before digging deep into the more obscure.

[@TheBlakus420]

@@English_Harry That is also a good point, tbh

[@ismelljello]

@@English_Harry I think those nail-biter matches are the most exciting, everyone love a good battle. But deep down, the crowd’s primal brain still loves a slaughter. Like how Roman’s in the colosseum would just come to see one sided ass whoopings.

[@English_Harry]

@@ismelljello I see your point but personally I still think Jamie Griffin would be much more interesting if he rifled through the fundamentals and later on did some ridiculous shit. Like, pretty sure double heelflip always appears within the first few tricks he does. That's a ridiculous starting trick.

[@alfonzo9289]

Bro you should have skaters hire you before competitions to scope their competition....this is insane.

[@wingdingdmetrius8025]

skate coach

[@Matthew-qf8bb]

i feel like if he wanted to he could send info out to skaters to help them win and possibly change match outcomes

[@PaintGuy]

Another solid video from skate Rain Man

[@mclarensaleenf7]

He absolutely could make a difference in BATB if the skaters took his advice seriously! It’s kinda lame seeing guys who don’t really give a crap about competing but at the same time chill games like that I sometimes enjoy the most (Curren and Louie just vibing was fun). I think there’s only a handful of guys that really take it as a serious competition. Jamie, Cody C, and Tyler I think have the most winning mindsets based on how they play.

[@normanl.6891]

​@@mclarensaleenf7 its because they rely on their success in BATB to progress their skate careers since they aren't going as hard as the other pros in the streets ie Louis and Curren.

[@dannyfanclub8902]

Can you do some analysis on roshambo advantage? Do winners of roshambo have a higher win rate? How many times have people got skunked without getting a turn? What are your thoughts on changing rules for each skater to have equal amount of turns or doing a best 2/3? Would love to hear some stats and your thoughts

[@mclarensaleenf7]

I know you’re asking DD but I’ve been thinking about best 2/3 since the Jamie vs. Sewa game. It really sucked to see two of the best play yet only one got a chance on offense. Sewa pulling the double forward flip was insane though! I think game 2 should be loser goes first, then game 3 loser of previous game 2 goes first. I honestly think one game is too short for many of these guys (especially anyone playing Griffin or guys who specialize in wild tricks that aren’t commonly done by pros).

[@dannyfanclub8902]

@@mclarensaleenf7 totally agree, I would have loved to see Sewa set some tricks and test Jamie's defense and that's what got me thinking. 2/3 would be better doesn't really solve it because still one player would get more turns to set. I think it should be one game but each player gets an equal amount of turns to set. So in this game after Sewa got SKATE, he would have a turn to set tricks. If he gives Jamie SKATE without giving up possession then it goes into game 2/bonus round/sudden death. Bonus round could be where letters reset and each player gets 1 turn and whoever is winning after one turn wins. If it's tied then they do another set of turns until someone has a lead. It just bothers me so much that SKATE is not a fair game, especially at the highest level with people like Jamie. It would also be so much more entertaining to just see longer games, crazy comebacks, and sudden death situations.

[@7satsu]

I never knew I needed this channel

[@EliWeaver93]

I think if Luan battles Jamie in round 3 and Luan does all his 360 switch and nollie tricks and that switch fs 540 he does he will beat Jamie…..I know Luan has weird tricks as well ( like the Merlin twist) it would be interesting to see if Luan could defend any daggers Jamie throws at him

[@mclarensaleenf7]

You’re absolutely right with the spins! Totally forgot Luan can do a freakin 540 on flat. Jamie struggles with nearly every popped 360 and Luan has every one on lock so that’s his best gameplan for a win. But as DD said, that game is going to heavily depend on who wins roshambo.

[@claysoggyfries]

Luan burned himself out trying to do difficult tricks and lost to a guy doing normal tricks

[@EliWeaver93]

@@claysoggyfries which match was this?

[@claysoggyfries]

@@EliWeaver93 Wups. I was thinking about Jonny Giger

[@JayJayAbels]

We'll have to see if Jamie gets past Zach first but Luan is definitely the toughest match up for Jamie. To be fair Luan is arguably the toughest match up for anyone though. I also think Tyler Peterson is too. The cool thing about a Jamie vs Luan game is that Luan (and Shane O'neill) is Jamie's favorite skater. I think he'd be a bit star struck tbh. But it's all in good fun. This bracket is full of killers.

[@eeeeric1966]

The effort you put into this video is astaunounding! Thank you for your work :)

[@spht9ng]

1:14 Mike Carroll clip sent my sides into orbit

[@alexkiddforlife]

people thinking luan or any other skater are watching this to choose their tricks against jamie are nuts. maybe tyler peterson or kelvin hoefler (if he was in this), but unless things are changing for the worst, skaters just go there and play a solid game instead of "studying the opponent" so I think dumb data video is a great piece of entertainment for viewers instead of a tool for skaters competing at BATB

[@allstopblue5717]

100% agree. It’s funny all these griffin fanboys whining about this video. Haha. Jamie isn’t watching this nor is anybody else

[@MrFackoffline]

@@allstopblue5717 are you a kind of a mindreader or you're able to watch for the people from the sky?

[@gregpoiboy]

"Stay on offense forever" 😂😂😂😂

[@ismelljello]

It’s hard to do when eventually you have to risk it all with your own enders. How do you out aggro the most aggro player? When in doubt, lame em out.

[@robweissman5952]

My god... This video is almost EVIL data. (From Jamie's perspective)

[@RKLS90]

Yeah this was a giant middle finger to Jamie. It’s not like he’s making these videos for all the people Jamie will skate against. Now they all have a cheat sheet on Jamie but he doesn’t have the same advantage for who he skates against

[@robweissman5952]

@@RKLS90 🎯

[@Bobbysk8salot]

That thumbnail is wild 😂

[@zwolof]

You down to build a website based on all this data? Would be cool to make a "skater profile" page with stats, trick bag etc, but also general analytics of all the battles in BATB, ever

[@rscicchitano02]

damn a website to have read-only access to this data would be so dope

[@zwolof]

@@rscicchitano02 I'd be down to build it

[@edwardp5748]

this is the best of your videos.. love it

[@sam.g6076]

"while still rolling slower than the rate Steve-o read the rules last year" 😂

[@Alskie666]

Im rooting for zach doeling to win the whole thing. The only one i ever heard say he did his research on his opponent. Plus it would be nice for a non "pro" to win that deserves to be one.

[@dustyyshellz1320]

Your dale gribble conspiracy theory is one of the most psychotic things I’ve ever heard😂

[@quantumxfluxmd6821]

😅

[@DrLakai]

I think you should preface all of this with "During BATB" since it may be a bit of a reach to say a skater 'doesn't throw scissors' or has no 'defensive experience' because in my experience, every skater has played thousands of rounds of skate while getting warmed up. During all of those 'amateur' games the opposite could have been the case. Regardless, this was an awesome video! I agree with everything you said. First time I've seen anyone record and study such in depth stats for anything to do with skateboarding. 🤝🏾🤝🏾🤛🏾

[@claysoggyfries]

Thank you! Now I may have a chance at beating Jamie Griffin 🙏

[@masta326]

Someone’s pissed off jamie messed up his berrics brackets lol

[@JG-us2yv]

Been waiting for this all day ! Thank you

[@Peter-yx6ob]

Holy shit dude, this is a fantastic video

[@OsoGP]

The theory about board sales for finals night with Louie and curren is pretty sick, love the analysis

[@khangkhang7031]

Jamie saw the video

[@chrisjurica9326]

Vids like this are like watching Moneyball, keep it up dude

[@vperkv6554]

Hard flips (reg) are chris coles cryptonite

[@pestilentfellow3609]

Impossible late flip death blow? How do you not respect that? C'mon haters...

[@joshuadansby2874]

Impossible underflip. The real impossible late flip was done by Rodney & Giger

[@allstopblue5717]

Nobody cares about that shit. Most people don’t dedicate their life to strictly flat ground. That’s why.

[@pestilentfellow3609]

@@joshuadansby2874 fair

[@frozennorth3426]

@@joshuadansby2874thank you

[@dejhauntetonga55764]

​@@joshuadansby2874you forgot mike mo

[@lelecraft25]

broo you are awesome for recollecting all data, Jamie Griffin looks like a final boss from a video game JAJAJA

[@abuhaneefa7422]

FBI agent of skateboarding 😂

[@lethuu]

In summary we can all agree no one can beat Jamie.

[@dawihwangmedia]

this video is insane!!!! got my sub within 2 mins

[@jhonc2725]

I think just by playing switch You can Beat him, he doesn't do a single one

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

That's cuz circus trick tik tok skaters arent the gods that 13 yr olds make them out to be.

[@SWWonders]

Switch, nollie and 360’s That back 3 they let him get away with against Cole last year was pathetic

[@simonbennett6202]

​@@eatassonthefirstdateI think last season was more than enough to prove that griffin is above most TikTok/Instagram skaters. And yes he has switch tricks although his switch kickflip variations are definitely a weakness.

[@Matthew-qf8bb]

@@SWWondersand switch/nollie double/pressure flips… as far as I know he doesn’t have those either

[@crab-cake]

@@SWWonders not a jamie griffin fan but from what i've seen he's relatively consistent switch

[@aSneakyDaffodil]

Jamie's throwing nothing but scissors from here out 😂

[@robguevara7]

Jamie vs Zach Doelling was uploaded today and it's funny that at the roshambo he straight threw scissors two times and won. I'm guessing he watched this video too.

[@jakubbriza7274]

I believe the match was prerecorded. And he threw first scissors and second was rock.

[@jakubbriza7274]

Oh ok you meant Doelling. Ok he did throw scissors two times. Maybe he did the research on his own, because I really believe that the matches are prerecorded.

[@robguevara7]

@@jakubbriza7274 damn I got confused, I meant Jamie, but now I see he threw scissors then rock, my mistake. But I still think both of them saw this video and Jamie went straight for the scissors. The bad thing is Zach couldn't keep up with all the tricks he needed to have in order to beat Jamie. Dumb data specifically remarked the hardflip and the biggerspin and Zach got letters for those. His double flips on defense were fire tho.

[@NixXRemade]

It would be cool if your ELO rating had sub stats of some sort, or use a performance points system like osu, where rather than ELO it's a point rating based on the combined total of 3 different categories. While Luan has a lower ELO than Jamie, he has a shot if he goes first because of his sheer consistency, but ELO numbers alone don't really give any insight on the strengths and weaknesses of the skaters.

[@mclarensaleenf7]

This is a great idea! A single elo number just isn’t enough of a descriptor, although I still appreciate seeing the raw elo numbers too. Adding a few categories as tags would make it even better! 3 sounds perfect, maybe consistency, offense, and defense. Thanks for the amazing videos as always!

[@RuinYourDayNow]

360’s

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

if it's Jamie or a Cariuma rider they won't enforce the rules on em about popping them.

[@ActorsReal2Reel]

You should have illmac and geechi watch a battle at the Berrics match lol

[@XandersGame42]

I was hoping for this exact analysis

[@TheWizardDen]

This would be such a honor as this skater to have a break down on how not to lose against him

[@clivemathieu9386]

Science is fun

[@Lantement]

This year, the defense needs to know Feather flip (and fakie) , hardflip double, bs late flip and merlin twist in addition of everything we v seen before in BATB12. Happy to see people support Tyler Peterson, this guy is a machine and versus Jamie its gonna be the real final of this year, sadly between Jamie/Tyler, Cole/Cepeda can't compete.

[@Stallagmite]

I'd kind of like it "Mano a Mano" style where players switch back and forth regardless. that way not so much weight is on rock, paper, scissors.

[@erickvasquez001]

This a secret love letter to zach to win

[@mclarensaleenf7]

I’m amazed that Joslin had 4th highest peak elo. He surprised me from his first game in BATB and made it to finals his first year I think? Crazy for a guy that isn’t so known for tech or flat.

[@ythandlerandom1278LK]

He had a really great tech part that he released as a follow up to one of his crazy typical big stuff parts, I can't remember what it's called off hand but you should check it out. The guy has what it takes for tech.

[@eleven_roses]

Joslin is 🐐 no discussion

[@joebtubie]

SEND THIS TO LUAN!!

[@matthewwalker5430]

Thing is, I actually think Jamie has improved his consistency and confidence since his BATB win. You also have to take into account how nervous he must have been on such a big stage for the first time, not wanting to let people down, on foreign soil and competing against a couple legends in that final. I suspect that, second time around, he'll be a little less nervous in general, which is kind of scary to think about. That said, sometimes nerves can get you through and complacency is just as deadly

[@sinikoncar7838]

Now, to be fair: Do a video on every other skater of this years BATB.

[@robweissman5952]

Yeah, no kidding

[@Disco_J]

Yea it def felt like after going 0 for 2 on guesses this weekend Data had it out for the young hop king boi with this data dump

[@RKLS90]

I thought the same thing. U just gave all the other people who skate against him a cheat sheet. The dude has only won a single BATB championship, it’s not like he’s won 6 championships and is unstoppable. In that case I could see doing a video like this. However, at this time it’s a low blow to Jamie. Let him have his run and let the other skaters take the time to do their own research

[@allstopblue5717]

@@RKLS90he is however one of the few who doesn’t have much else to offer in terms of video parts. Everyone else is much more well rounded. Jamie and Giger are just solely focused on weird flat ground stuff. The infatuation with that wears off quick to the average viewer IMO. You eventually reach a point where it’s like “cmon do something else!”

[@RKLS90]

@@allstopblue5717 idk I actually thought Jamie’s video parts were pretty good. Johnny’s were ehhh. A lot of the crazy flatground tricks Jamie does he’s able to do them down a set of stairs. Are the stairs the size of what most pro gaps skaters are doing tricks down, no. While the stair count may be lower the tricks he does down them are harder than the typical tricks u see down a gap in pro videos

[@dagoram]

If the berrics actually enforced their rules I'd say any Ollie 360 variation would work since he can't do them right

[@petepitts528]

Yes he can, he was playing safe last year on the 360's, loads of people in the past have reverted them and got away with it on defense. Watch some clips and you will see

[@flowstate_vfx]

data dump relief💀💀💀

[@wakeupomar111]

LETS GO ZACH! got faith in my boy

[@TheBlakus420]

I wanna know if he's gonna talk with the 9club!

[@TheManFromNowheres]

Big if when: *Cory Kennedy has entered the chat*

[@alex_reye]

hahah man that's crazy! You're amazing analyst!

[@RandomCeltic]

I think Jamie wanted nooooo part of Sewa's flatground so he came out swinging

[@nvision26]

Yep, one hardflip front 180, maybe a 540 flip and it's all over

[@rafaeldantas4331]

Data relief 😌

[@Juliano_DJOL]

Its gonna be Jamie or Tyler vs Andy Anderson Or the dude playing Jamie next cld slip thru if he beats Jamie

[@peoplecallmepeechez]

Having Peterson vs griffin rematch in the final would be wild. I do hope that Zach wins the ro sham bo, not because I want him to beat griffin, but dammit I don't want another 5 minute match

[@RoyalSkateCrew]

peter griffin

[@apealeal3973]

This is amazing

[@hamsandwich1860]

Jamie griffen does his tricks in slow motion

[@robguevara7]

I just want to know why do you think TJ will lose the first match?

[@dumbdata34]

I could be wrong but the John dude seems hungrier

[@joshuadansby2874]

@@dumbdata34 or will get really nervous since this is his first time against a pro. TJ will win

[@lokmaneskater]

just imagine shane oneil vs jamie who would win ? its really intristing

[@zskater1234]

I miss PJ

[@marcusarruzza319]

Man, this video makes me want to get out there and make some spreadsheets.

[@joshuadansby2874]

What they need to do next year is to have all matches be 2 out of 3 games & the loser of the first game goes First! Simple! Get Berra's attention guys!

[@casualonemmo-player2167]

Or instead of "skate"...play "skateboard".

[@joshuadansby2874]

@@casualonemmo-player2167 2 out of 3 is more exciting & still keeps the original rules & letters.

[@Perryprime1999]

I like to imagine zack watching this video to try n win against jamie 😂

[@andrej9654]

totally ignorant on this particular subject and admittedly not gonna research before asking...but isn't the berrics playing jamie vs sewa in round 1 kinda like...idk rigged? - I'm familiar enought with with jamie and sewa but not with how the steve berra (quite likely) rigs these competitions

[@bdzsana]

But doing fundamental tricks is a double edge sword. You can expect that he will fail one of the shovit or bigspin accidently, but you can also fail doing those tricks in offense giving zero letters to him and giving the opportunity back to him.

[@mclarensaleenf7]

And that’s why he said in the video, one of the three main points to beat Jamie, to know your fundamentals well. Luan went over 50 tricks in a row because he has his fundamentals absolutely locked down. But there’s risk with any trick, just up to the skater based on how consistent they are with their specific fundamentals. By fundamentals he means tricks the skater should be able to do like 19/20 tries

[@TyBodiez]

jamie gonna throw scissors next round 🤣

[@daniel244]

Jamie is on final night already,he won every game on his bracket and go back usa on november for final night

[@bdzsana]

is this your guess or have info?

[@daniel244]

@@bdzsana some infos 😁

[@bdzsana]

@@daniel244 nice!

[@jakubbriza7274]

@@daniel244Well, we will see in 3 months if your inside infos were correct 😄

[@daniel244]

Informações cames from his partner on hop king @@jakubbriza7274

[@TheNonsenseAdventures]

Big Jamie fan but last year, Cole could have had him with 360 tricks. I want the merlin flip as a finisher.

[@MystifierMan]

Was thinking that, too. Cole needed a ruthless corner man to give him that advice.

[@TheNonsenseAdventures]

I think he knew himself.@@MystifierMan But he had already won the title, so maybe eased off to let the young blood come through.

[@litofficial]

This is a god review and assessment.

[@rscicchitano02]

how does excel not crash for you?

[@stealthradon]

Doelling is going to take home the trophy. He has the Giger blessing.

[@frozennorth3426]

no 😅

[@radspiderjackson]

lol the thing is, you can forgo the 3rd tip to beat him, because if you can 'pull off' the first two then you literally cant lose a game against anyone... that third tip is pretty much saying you have to be able to beat anyone PLUS practice specifically to beat Griffin, which makes sense after the wins we've seen from him lol

[@pablocheverez800]

So Jeffwonsong will win this year

[@RKLS90]

Dude barely pops his tricks. Sure they’re insane but it makes them significantly less entertaining & impressive to see

[@pablocheverez800]

@@RKLS90 but he's gonna win this year

[@Leeno65]

cant believe i watched a scientific breakdown on how to defeat one man in skate

[@GeMan11]

Brilliant knowledge these tricks

[@sneakyceup587]

If Andy Anderson wins every rps he could very well win 💀

[@gollese]

These stats are awesome!

[@shanemogaming]

What i find strange is curren says he asked koston for another shot to be in batb but in the deathblow they admit his flat grounds not the best and then the same with leo amd brayden they say brayden never wins were these guys just put in to make a easy match for peeps to progress easier when other matches could have been way better matched find it strange

[@nycskates124]

Cool video how do you think pj ladd from 2012 2013 would have done against jamie?

[@iamnotanumber100]

Representing Ireland 🇮🇪 nicely, g’wan Jamie

[@StoneAquatics]

So pretty much throw paper in the rsb do every 360 variation then do nollie flip tricks and you’ll win

[@Ringoh_]

The rps bit was funnnnnnny

[@larmando7377]

If he blanks everyone this year, he is the greatest on flat EVER!

[@alexfabricio7964]

He has to beat the final Boss of flat... Pj Ladd

[@drumjosh1987]

Rodney Mullen still owns that title I think

[@Makabert.Abylon]

Do any ”pro basic” nollie and switch flip/heel variations. Guy can just muska flip.

[@casualonemmo-player2167]

Griffins switch is his weakness, imo

[@horton712]

Um. OK this is fascinating. The amount of time and data going to making this is. It leaves me to wonder is there some underground betting that is able to go down on this thing I don’t know about?

[@dvdnewman82]

Jamie easily wins it all IMO but I'm rooting for both Chris Cole and Joslin too. Love all 3 of those guys

[@smoothforreal4242]

Its amazing to see RoShamBo statistics 😆 that will work untill Jamie sees this and throws paper next battle

[@kryptikkomatose]

what does ELO stand for?

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

For Griffin to make finals. He will have to be Zach Doeling. Then Luan. Then most likely either Tyler Peterson or Joslin. All of these guys named would make for a much more entertaining finals night than another Jamie Griffin one. Rooting for ya Zach

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

anti circus trick club lol I wanna see Cole vs joslin or Cole vs luan in finals. if they do finals night in 3 battles like last yr, luan might be in trouble in the final match, his pop wears him out and if he has a long first match it could hurt him in the end. being that aggressive isn't good especially at his age.

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

I swear to God if Tyler gets escorted to the finals again omfg.... that was such bullshit!t dude PRod or Sewa might have won doing all the basics on Jamie

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

@@eatassonthefirstdate - same. I’ve been watching since season 1. Watching my favorite skaters play SKATE was the best idea ever. But now we have flatground KZbinrs doing circus tricks while actual legends like Sewa get knocked out first round. It’s bull

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

​@@kevinandrewsphotobro the eS games of skate that Koston hosted were way better tournaments.

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

@@eatassonthefirstdate - those were sick for sure. But I think BATB season 1-6 were iconic. Had winners like Mike Mo, PJ, P-Rod and Cole. Then it was still really good season 7 through 11 with winners like Joslin, Luan and Sewa. But it lost its sparkle since then. Which was 5 years ago. This season is definitely the best start since then, but too many “flatground” skaters.

[@j4q2k]

can u do how to beat peter griffin in batb next please?

[@tmjones212]

Inspirational stuff

[@Juliano_DJOL]

The big spins is what his weak spot is!

[@jordstev8779]

I use the same strategy as Jamie, most people throw rock on first go, so I go paper

[@officialmilitaryskate]

Damn I was just saying this about the ro sham Bo