Dune: Imperium - GameNight! Se9 Ep24 - How to Play and Playthrough

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@TheAdmiral555555
@TheAdmiral555555 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best "How to" videos I've seen on Dune: Imperium....Aaron is an amazing teacher! And we get a full playthrough to boot!
@unoriginalname6354
@unoriginalname6354 2 ай бұрын
I’m watching this and trying to mimic his teaching ability. He’s so smooth and informative. I’m planning on introducing this game to some people, but am nervous about the teaching part. Knowing how to play a game is different from being able to teach the game. My teaches always feel so clunky.
@Q101-k4p
@Q101-k4p Ай бұрын
This is literally the best board game "How to" video I've ever seen, Aaron's a legend.
@dramajoe
@dramajoe 3 жыл бұрын
Two small notes -- 1) With Paul's ability, you absolutely DO NOT shuffle your discard if you have no card to look at. You simply look at nothing until the game puts cards back into your deck in a normal fashion. 2) They actually play this correctly, but it doesn't become clear until over an hour into the video and could be very confusing if you only consider the teach at the beginning: if you have no troops in the conflict you are ineligible to gain combat strength from any other effects; furthermore, if you have strength you've previously gained from other sources and you lose all troops you had in the conflict, your combat strength is reset to zero.
@MindWandererB
@MindWandererB Жыл бұрын
Very late to this party, but I'm getting ready for my first game, and noticed another notable error: You place your agent immediately when you play a card. You can't gain the benefit of the card you played and then use that to pay the cost of the space you're putting the agent on. I had to double-check the rulebook on that one.
@darrengrabe4179
@darrengrabe4179 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos to Aaron for the seamless and thorough teach on the game, impressed by the ability to do that so well from what appears to be a single take. I am curious to know how long you spend in preparation to convey this knowledge so well to others. Love how you guys posted this the day of the release of the new movie. Great video as always.
@kinagrill
@kinagrill 2 жыл бұрын
I know people (my dad included) that'd just go 'let us just start and learn along the way'.... which I HATE: just listen to some basic rules and if you didn't understand it all... you'd most likely not have it all stick, but you WILL at the very least have had it all mentioned.
@shinyhappymeeple
@shinyhappymeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Dune has never really interested me until I watched this playthrough. This has given me a whole new perspective. Game Night continues to be absolutely essential viewing 👍
@trooper6762
@trooper6762 Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me with another game, but it is also valuable in dissuading a purchase - like Marvel Champions for me
@lazzater
@lazzater 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched so many videos, I feel like we are friends
@origenward3845
@origenward3845 8 ай бұрын
Same either that or a stalker😂
@scottcebulski4350
@scottcebulski4350 2 жыл бұрын
I love this game so much that it was a lot of fun watching you play. Please play it again, or play the expansion -- there's one already and another coming in December! The current expansion even has a more intense mode that goes to 12 VP. I'd like to see that!
@atkmonkey
@atkmonkey 2 жыл бұрын
Jackie trying to keep a straight face during the intro made my day.
@robwalker4653
@robwalker4653 2 жыл бұрын
46:11 When Nikki asked if she could use her intrigue card, and Jackie responded saying if it has daggers she might want to wait. She has to wait as those are combat intrigue cards and are only revealed during the combat phase. Plot intrigue cards are revealed on an agent/reveal turn. Also 50:50 she shouldn't have shuffled to see what's coming next. You should only shuffle if you have no cards in your draw pile and you are required to draw a card. It says this in the clarifications section of the rule specifically for Paul. "Paul Areides / Poison Snooper - You can't look at the top card of your deck if it is empty. (You can't reshuffle your discard pile and form a new deck until you need to draw a card.)"
@franksanchez8111
@franksanchez8111 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing, of all the videos about this game this was the only one I finally got it. Thanks for the video it was really fun.
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 3 жыл бұрын
I've since played this solo a couple of times and it's a well-crafted AI system that replicates the multi-player experience pretty well, all in about an hour.
@WaitingForNovember
@WaitingForNovember 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, 1:26 you had a place in High Council, but didn't use that bonus to buy stuff, you could've bought "The Spice Must Flow" card.
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 3 жыл бұрын
@@WaitingForNovember Thanks -- you only want The Spice Must Flow at the end of the game - they clog your deck up with very little benefit otherwise. Unless that time is missing a digit?
@rfingerboards8752
@rfingerboards8752 2 жыл бұрын
@@JackieFox1976 Where did you get the coloured game trays for the water, spice etc? Did they come with the game?
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 2 жыл бұрын
@@rfingerboards8752 I believe those are bit bowls from the Board Game Geek store. I have them in the larger size and they are awesome. They unfold totally flat and they can be cleaned in the dishwasher. Lincoln can probably confirm.
@jamiegraham7678
@jamiegraham7678 2 жыл бұрын
hi how r you good to meet you mi jamie
@Kristian_Jensen
@Kristian_Jensen 3 жыл бұрын
I just love watching you guys. I often have you on repeat as background "noise" :D Thank you for doing awesome how-to's and playthroughs no matter who's on air
@jedigreg4636
@jedigreg4636 3 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite new game of the last 2 years by far. Pre-ordered the Ix expansion not knowing anything about it this game is so good lol.
@Jindorek
@Jindorek Жыл бұрын
The new immortality expansion has made it even better. Love this game
@msmilder25
@msmilder25 3 жыл бұрын
The Old Dune game was definitely not the game for me. But THIS one seems right up my alley. It's kind of like Lords of Waterdeep (which is one of my favorite games) with a Deck-Builder mechanic incorporated. Though there's a lot going on, it seems to have a relatively simple economy with only four resources, and the political influence stuff seems well implemented.
@ilirtanku9722
@ilirtanku9722 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it has some mechanism like lords of waterdeep which is my favorite too
@vancer.8886
@vancer.8886 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that Nikki didn't mention the amazing graphic design of this game. The look and components are very well done and when you add the elegant game play this is definitely a keeper and well worth buying
@murilobruza
@murilobruza 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice teaching and gameplay! I think I could play this game just by watching you guys. At 1:50:41 Lincoln should have bumped his influence bonus with the Spacing Guild instead of the Emperor to block Aaron and to get the VP token. I think this choice would have made the game go one more round and make it a very tight game, even with Aaron's luck with the intrigue cards. Actually I thought you were planning for this, since you had just got to him in the influence track on the same turn.
@shinjial
@shinjial 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, "all the troops go home to rest" is a funny statement to follow the combat fase. It's like it's just sports, they're playing beach volleyball out there in Dune.
@stefanformgren4978
@stefanformgren4978 8 ай бұрын
i missed that, but its crazy al loosers are slaughterd and the winner army commit suicide becous none come home after battle, IF you not make them run away 🤣
@shinjial
@shinjial 8 ай бұрын
@@stefanformgren4978 good point, lol. maybe they retired after that one battle.
@stefanformgren4978
@stefanformgren4978 8 ай бұрын
@@shinjial :) yes maby they get rewarded with retirement, sounds a little less dark then my thought :)
@thepixalking6589
@thepixalking6589 Жыл бұрын
Just finished reading the first couple Dune books. This game DRIPS theme like I've never seen.
@VeeeeryyyFaaaastSlooooth
@VeeeeryyyFaaaastSlooooth Жыл бұрын
I aspire to be this good at teaching one day, very nice teach and playthrough.
@ChristopherWalrath
@ChristopherWalrath 3 жыл бұрын
One of the first thoughts I had was 'Ah! Lords of Water deep!', a favorite. But that was a fantastic demo, guys. Definitely on the 'get it' list. Thank you very much for this game.
@AhJong0
@AhJong0 2 жыл бұрын
At last SDJ and kennerspiel views are complete and NOW I can watch the discussion video feeling informed! This isn’t really my cup of tea game but was still a fun play through, thanks BGG 😃
@baraka99
@baraka99 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the Dune universe. The spice must flow. I will order the deluxe version (with all the miniatures) and the new expansion.
@theromanwanderer8923
@theromanwanderer8923 3 жыл бұрын
Where are you ordering it?
@aaesuzuki
@aaesuzuki 3 ай бұрын
I just found out today that Jackie has designed a new board game (Rock Hard) and was a Runaway, the 1970s band with Joan Jett and Lita Ford. Then reading on wikipedia, learned that she went Harvard Law with Pres. Obama! What an interesting life! Also this was a great video about an awesome game!
@wimscheenen3535
@wimscheenen3535 3 жыл бұрын
Great play through! We love this game and it was fun seeing you play it.
@hanorafarlow8324
@hanorafarlow8324 2 жыл бұрын
Great playthough as always watching this really helped me understand the game. And you guys always look like you have a great time playing
@ericgivler3974
@ericgivler3974 3 жыл бұрын
It is fun single player, two player, and up. The dynamic is different for all versions. Give it a try.
@niekka1978
@niekka1978 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant game explanation! Just watched Rodneys official How to play and this one put that to shame... Sharp questions from the group, too!
@marcbennett9232
@marcbennett9232 3 жыл бұрын
great playthough! I will have to double check but i believe nikki got short changed on the fremen bond cards, they trigger off of any card with the fremen tag, not other cards with fremen bond.
@mahendrata87
@mahendrata87 2 жыл бұрын
amazing how-to-play explanation! thank you!
@Jindorek
@Jindorek 3 жыл бұрын
love the game, love the franchise, love the players. 11/10 would recommend.
@stacyp2186
@stacyp2186 3 жыл бұрын
You guys have to quit making videos. I just ordered another game because of you. Lol. Can’t wait to play.
@stg1963
@stg1963 10 ай бұрын
I’m very late to the Dune party. Just one thing - Aaron you are awesome, such a brilliant teach.
@SanjuroSan
@SanjuroSan 3 жыл бұрын
Love the thumbnail!
@OzyWazza
@OzyWazza Жыл бұрын
Just snapped up the game in a bout of INYRT (Impending New Year Retail Therapy) and looking to break it open together with my gaggle of geeks this coming weekend; your walkthrough has been immensely helpful, and in an entertaining way which always helps with retaining the information. Thank you to the whole team for a wonderful and insightful video here :D
@KabukiKid
@KabukiKid 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to see Jackie back! :-D Love this game! I ordered the Deluxe Upgrade Kit the other day. Can't wait to get it.
@flash21de34
@flash21de34 2 жыл бұрын
Love the base game but don‘t think the upgrade kit is worth the money, unfortunatly.
@KabukiKid
@KabukiKid 2 жыл бұрын
@@flash21de34 It's not for everyone. I love blinging out everything I can with my games, though. heh ;-)
@vremia-nastolki
@vremia-nastolki 3 жыл бұрын
It's a really nice game, at the beginning I was sceptical about it, but I am happy that I tried it. Thank you for the video.
@melkoinenveikko1286
@melkoinenveikko1286 3 жыл бұрын
43:47 I was just screaming to myself "please take that Duncan Idaho card" :D
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria 3 жыл бұрын
Lincoln:"Will you teach us Dune: Imperium?" Aaron:"Yes, I will. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." Me: "That's Star Trek..." I know I meant Wars, but Trek was what came out.
@cplmackinnon
@cplmackinnon 3 жыл бұрын
1:08:05 The Missionaria Protectiva card is misprinted and should have the Bene Gesserit tag under its title!
@baraka99
@baraka99 3 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend you adjust it during gameplay (house rules)?
@cplmackinnon
@cplmackinnon 3 жыл бұрын
@@baraka99 We do. It's not really a "house rule", the publisher acknowledged it was a mistake, so we treat it as it "should" be.
@robocad
@robocad 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried some of the variants available on the app? There are alternate events and rules you can add to the game. I'm also anxiously awaiting the upgrade kit that adds troop and agent miniatures.
@ob1quixote
@ob1quixote 3 жыл бұрын
So happy to see Jackie. Seems like it's been a long time. _P.S._ Ha! It was a long time. Shoulda waited to the end to comment.
@boardgamegeek
@boardgamegeek 3 жыл бұрын
Preston, Jackie was also on the Escape Roll & Write recently. Fun game too!-Lincoln
@dtealab
@dtealab 3 жыл бұрын
Another good one folks. Interstellar mercantilism is the best!
@kanikmesh8870
@kanikmesh8870 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Can't wait to play
@marjiewendt9221
@marjiewendt9221 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Jackie, it's nice to see you guys getting guests again and thank you for the streams and videos during the quarantine
@Vikingblood801
@Vikingblood801 Жыл бұрын
2:11:13 Jacky would have gotten a second intrique card over here as the faction reward. You forgot to move her up.
@DevilboyScooby
@DevilboyScooby 10 ай бұрын
Is nobody really going to mention that a former RUNAWAY is playing with the gang? 😱🤣
@msmilder25
@msmilder25 3 жыл бұрын
A worker placement, with card-based choices of where you can play (because of the deck-builder nature) is how I would define the game thematically.
@domvf
@domvf 5 күн бұрын
Amazing video. Best around. Thank you
@msmilder25
@msmilder25 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Jackie, wish there were a few more end-game cards. And to continue with post-game discussion...it did seem to me, that it was very easy to muck up your deck with purchases, but there were previous few ways to trash cards, so deck size gets to be a problem. Getting great cards doesn't matter if those cards only come out once, or don't come out at all.
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 3 жыл бұрын
Yes -- not a lot of deck cycling in this game. At a certain point, you need to be willing to just muck your persuasion, I think unless there's a great purchase (e.g., The Spice Must Flow, ideally with some trashing ability).
@starcloak
@starcloak 3 жыл бұрын
A video over two hours long... hell yeah guys 😁
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 3 жыл бұрын
about the same length as the new movie - but with a more satisfying ending!
@alexdewitt9814
@alexdewitt9814 7 ай бұрын
1:50:00 the High Council doesn't give a bump up on one of the tracks. I think it just gives you 2 persuasion for the rest of the game
@the_luggage
@the_luggage 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome playthrough of a great worker placement game, thanks, gang! Nice to see Jackie again after such a long time and Aaron runs a game so well, good job!
@guyb6665
@guyb6665 2 жыл бұрын
Very therapeutic listening to this nobody has a harsh voice
@Clasteau
@Clasteau 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if BGG planned on another playthrough with the Rise of Ix expansion when you can get one?
@andrewmiller4588
@andrewmiller4588 3 жыл бұрын
A treat for everyone! I'm excited
@matthewosborne8384
@matthewosborne8384 2 жыл бұрын
Dune, if you are unfamiliar is basically Game of thrones in space and everyone wants the drugs that occur naturally on the surface of this planet.
@marcoosuna6623
@marcoosuna6623 3 жыл бұрын
nice video the ending was tense.
@andrii.adventure
@andrii.adventure 3 жыл бұрын
Can someone share a link for that resources trays? I would like to buy such.
@Muhd_Akmal
@Muhd_Akmal 3 жыл бұрын
just in time for the movie!
@ElaDivine
@ElaDivine 3 жыл бұрын
Great teach. Question - Nikki shuffled her decck on turn 2 because of her ability and then gained some cards that didn't shuffle into her deck on that turn. Could she have waited until she needed to draw a card before shuffling?
@pelgron5080
@pelgron5080 3 жыл бұрын
Paul ability doesn’t allow him to shuffle his discard pile. He must have cards in deck to be able to use it. It’s specified at the end of rb
@ulysspike9278
@ulysspike9278 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a playthrough of the original, classic Dune. Given how interactive and backstabby it is, it should be extremely entertaining to watch.
@TyvanTV
@TyvanTV 3 жыл бұрын
OK I need this game now! Too bad I am on game buying restriction. =(
@edwindrood2816
@edwindrood2816 3 жыл бұрын
Great playthrough
@stefanformgren4978
@stefanformgren4978 8 ай бұрын
i downloaded it on the phone and its really fast and easy to se everything, and to my astonishment it was very simple to grasp the gameplay, BUT I can also see that it will take awhile to be good at it, so far I only have a couple of 2nd places against easy AI 🤣(but tight games pointwise)
@paulmccaffrey2985
@paulmccaffrey2985 Жыл бұрын
Interesting Note: "IX", long ago (Dune history) did stand for nine as it was the ninth planet in the system. Over the centuries, people forgot it stood for 9 and called it "IX".
@joaorobalo7594
@joaorobalo7594 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you had this one in your pocket waiting for the movie release or if you had to scramble to time it together. Gonna watch this and then go to the Cinema!
@boardgamegeek
@boardgamegeek 3 жыл бұрын
We filmed it around Gen Con. I definitely wanted to release near the movie's release and so we waited and waited and it's finally here!-Lincoln
@dimleaf
@dimleaf Жыл бұрын
This video has made me excited to try the game and to watch Dune's 2021 movie. Could you please consider trying the new Dune Imperium: Uprising version together with Dave? That would be such a blast to watch. The game is apparently very similar to this version but lots of things are updated and improved. The new spy mechanic seems very cool. PS: Aaron's instructions are really, really good.
@richardscales9560
@richardscales9560 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, that first round combat :D
@timstimbre9762
@timstimbre9762 Жыл бұрын
Any game that has a ´Freakin Death Commando' card gives me tingles.
@icedutah
@icedutah Ай бұрын
Looks like a very cool game. Are the Dune movies any good. I can't believe I have never seen them.
@TheDugbo
@TheDugbo 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video, One Question, Did Nikki ever get her bonus for buying Liet Kynes? don't think she did, so a whole rematch is needed to resolve it please! thank you! :)
@martinpaulsen7211
@martinpaulsen7211 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly: at 1:19 Nikki missed to take the purchase bonus, one imperium bump. And additional Lincoln missed to take the bonus at 2:10 too (1 water).
@TheDugbo
@TheDugbo 3 жыл бұрын
@@martinpaulsen7211 Two mistakes! We need two redos then please!
@martimarco8325
@martimarco8325 8 ай бұрын
Mistake at 44:38. Game host says he has three persuasion but only has two, so he can't actually afford the card he bought.
@kirbystalley6404
@kirbystalley6404 4 ай бұрын
2+1=3
@eddepietro1107
@eddepietro1107 2 жыл бұрын
I am trying to remember the game Lords of Water Deep, is this game similar?
@boardgamegeek
@boardgamegeek 2 жыл бұрын
I suppose there are some similarities since they are both worker placement games but they do not feel alike to me. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
@IanM92
@IanM92 3 жыл бұрын
Great game
@TheLibGamer
@TheLibGamer 3 жыл бұрын
At 2:10:15 the card Lincoln had a reward upon purchase of a water... not sure if it matters in the end game, but he had one more?
@kinagrill
@kinagrill 2 жыл бұрын
I realy wish this boardgame would be digitized and purchasable on steam. not everyone got 3 or so pals to play boardgames with after all. Also did Nicki forget to gain a Fremen influence when she bout Liet Kines? Also also, I can see that going to get that extra agent early seem rather crucial, along with getting a way to trash cards early on as well, so you can filter down in your bad starter cards. This means better cards more often, as well as more board-actions each turn.
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 2 жыл бұрын
It's a great solo game. The AI is really well done and is available as an app, which is really nice.
@kinagrill
@kinagrill 2 жыл бұрын
@@JackieFox1976 App? as in physical board game with an app that does AI actions?
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 2 жыл бұрын
@@kinagrill The app isn't necessary, but it makes the set-up easier by reminding you what you need to do and then it draws the cards for the AI so you don't have to do it. And it improves on the solo game by occasionally telling you to flush some cards from the market, which better mimics what other players might do. It's really quite a good system for a game that wasn't designed with solo in mind and the difficulty levels are spot on.
@JackieFox1976
@JackieFox1976 3 жыл бұрын
This episode does make me wonder - what have been the longest and shortest Game Night episodes?
@boardgamegeek
@boardgamegeek 3 жыл бұрын
This War of Mine is the longest I believe, with Carnival Zombie next and shortest might be Heist. -Lincoln
@Quandry1
@Quandry1 3 жыл бұрын
Nikki didn't take her faction increase for Purchasing Liet at about the 1 hour and 19 minute mark.
@markwijnen5262
@markwijnen5262 3 жыл бұрын
You are right.
@Zacarz
@Zacarz 10 ай бұрын
Where can I get the token holders in this video?
@Duxa_
@Duxa_ 3 жыл бұрын
Wish there was comparison with Arnak... I cant decide between that and this...
@richardblkmann3298
@richardblkmann3298 2 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know what size bit bowls they're using here?
@juanfemenia9933
@juanfemenia9933 3 жыл бұрын
We need the can i humph? and did you say humph? t-shirts
@David-ey9jg
@David-ey9jg Жыл бұрын
I may have misunderstood but it sounded like you thought dagger symbols we’ve added to conflict even if you have no troops involved - but they aren’t?
@Sajatzsiraf
@Sajatzsiraf 3 жыл бұрын
well I guess based on this playthourgh I will have to buy this one as well... *sigh*
@SteelBreeze021
@SteelBreeze021 3 жыл бұрын
The Persuasion Symbol is a blue diamond, so... "Crystal Blue Persuasion"! ;)
@msmilder25
@msmilder25 3 жыл бұрын
Nikki's character ability to look at the next card, seems to play right into a draw-card strategy. Getting more cards that let her draw cards seems like a good one-two-punch.
@Tennethums1
@Tennethums1 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent game. I would suggest NOT using the Hagel deck for two player games. It’s not needed.
@geoffbushill5587
@geoffbushill5587 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never tried it without but doesn’t that make the conflict fairly pointless? Once it is clear that the opponent will win just add 1 to come second and guarantee the position?
@Tennethums1
@Tennethums1 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoffbushill5587 The combat was still pretty intense. If neither player had Intrigue cards the winner was pretty obvious but in any game we’ve played beyond three players, that was always the case anyway. Give it a shot! It’s pretty fun! Especially when you end up with that Intrigue card that lets you move all your garrisoned troops into combat 😇
@nickmozzetti327
@nickmozzetti327 Жыл бұрын
Fun game, these people really need a hair person lol
@lightwire123
@lightwire123 3 жыл бұрын
wow i slept on this one back in 2020
@ganjielong
@ganjielong 3 жыл бұрын
Initially it looks interesting. But after sometime, I realised, thematically it’s not Dune. It feels more like ‘Lords of Waterdeep 2.0’ or ‘Concordia in Space’
@davidmann2414
@davidmann2414 3 жыл бұрын
Aren't you supposed to start at 1 VP in a four-player game? Did I miss something? Thanks!
@kossowankenobi
@kossowankenobi 3 жыл бұрын
Played my copy once. Took 2.5 hours for me to get to a dead draw on the last round. That was not fun. We haven't played since. It's a shame, because I love so many of the ideas here.
@dontcare9005
@dontcare9005 Жыл бұрын
Actually a huge beginners mistake to buy in so many cards. The deck will eventually get unpractical and clumsy. You don't need to buy cards, if you don't want.
@seahawksfan9168
@seahawksfan9168 5 ай бұрын
Lincoln was so annoying during the end game discussion, he kept interrupting everyone when they were talking
@boardgamegeek
@boardgamegeek 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes I get really excited. Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
@elqord.1118
@elqord.1118 3 жыл бұрын
The combat victory cards are so boring…definitely needs an expansion.
@mythicdale8757
@mythicdale8757 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video but as an aside, does anyone else feel that in holding other player's hands through the rules so efficiently (as displayed here) that it can somehow sterilise the experience.
@andrethannhauser6302
@andrethannhauser6302 3 жыл бұрын
Seems obvious that you lose the game by far when you go to the hall of oratory so often instead of using your agents wisely. That spot is one of the worst and only very situational when there is a really important card in the market and you are sure that it's you to get it. I've never had a game in which the last place didnt have at least 7ptk.
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