Dune: Prophecy - Angry Review

[@legoguy217]

10k years before Paul and we got characters talking like they're high schoolers. This ain't it.

[@gabrield4892]

💯

[@DelaV3]

The CW presents: Dune High

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

Had same thoughts, Super disciplined sisters than can control their body on the cellular level and master manipulators acting like high schoolers. Everyone lacks retainers, princess is able to go to a club? the emperors heir without bodyguards? where are the house mentats? they are the chief advisors also where the hell is the spacing guild? bad enough the film didnt depict the second main power in the galaxy pulling the strings.

[@corruptedpoison1]

Modern Hollywood writing is controlled by the blue hairs and it shows.

[@drejbrasand9247]

the biggest problem i have is they not being truthful and saying that brain Herbert is where they are plotting the story around his books and lore

[@Ryukachoo]

Quinn's ideas shout-out hell yes that guy needs way more subs

[@MrKOLCOO]

He is verry good XD

[@blankname6629]

Would not be surprised at all if he writes his own very successful sci fi series

[@KevanM6777]

@@blankname6629actually his own story is nearly done! It’s called “The Lie Behind the Star”.

[@Wandering_Chemist]

@@blankname6629 my thoughts exactly man…very talented and creative lad

[@BehuraStudio]

I went to him for the ASOIAF videos, stayed for his Dune/3 body problem vids, a true GOAT

[@vinni3c]

The best part of Dune Prophecy is the prospect of Desmond Hart killing off all these unlikable characters.

[@acertainredpanda1115]

That's kinda the point of the series... in Dune, there are no likable characters.

[@popcornbuster752]

Can't wait for him to kill that princess bitch.

[@jcruz8458]

@@acertainredpanda1115 tony in sopranos is supposed to be an unlikeable character. he does horrible things but guess what people love that character because how it was written stop giving these billion-dollar companies excuses when they just write plain dull and bad characters hbo just did the penguin so they obviously can write amazing "unlikeable" characters

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@acertainredpanda1115 There's a difference between "unlikable" characters and unlikable characters that people like.

[@vinni3c]

@@acertainredpanda1115 I think these characters are just poorly written

[@theandroids]

Raised By Wolves! That really pissed me off that they cancelled it. I hate when they do that.

[@JessYapping]

It got sooo good too Wtf was the tree thing!!!😭

[@KidGreeD14]

I've found my people I thought I was the only who like raised by wolves. it's funny how both the actors came back in different HBO shows.

[@Miki90Mar]

Me too guys i'm so sad, now we'll never know the full interesting lore behind it

[@terrellepps9548]

They did the same to Westworld 😡😡😡😡

[@jherrera3058]

Season two really fell off.

[@awesomehpt8938]

It’s not the butlerian Jihad anymore it’s the great machine war because we can’t say jihad on tv anymore.

[@carontorliak2760]

Good because Frank doesn't know what a Jihad is.

[@anthonyreyna8350]

@@carontorliak2760found the angry Islamist here 🤣 proving the OPs point in minutes

[@piggs666]

samething heppened with Vampire the Masquerade. it use to be called Jihad.

[@funkrobot9762]

Who cares though?

[@funkrobot9762]

@@anthonyreyna8350what are you trying to do, here?

[@goatslayrr]

As a big fan of Frank Herbert's works and not a fan at all of Brian Herbert's work, I went in to this with pretty low expectations. And the show did a pretty good job of barely reaching my expectations. I'll finish watching it out of morbid curiosity, but unless it makes a major shift for the better, I wouldn't recommend the show to anyone.

[@TheGraemi]

😅 Same with me.

[@ZeroG]

I would recommend it... to my enemies, or to people with insomnia.

[@samclegg4045]

I am a fan of Brian Herbert's books. Get the fuck out of here!!

[@MySamurai77]

That's exactly how i felt about B. Hebert's books. I can't be bothered watching this reading a couple of his books is all i can take.

[@sonamw5227]

Your opinion after completing the season?

[@awesomehpt8938]

The best part of David Lynchs Dune was actually the battle pug that Patrick Stewart takes into battle.

[@PFiction24]

LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!

[@Latinkon]

That scene was more memorable than anything in this new show thus far 😅

[@TheSaladKing]

best part is when he says "ATOMICS!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@whom382]

I don't know about that. Sting in a speedo is an image that's still in my head 40 years later!

[@TheGraemi]

I agree with Alex. It's not revolting just bland and boring. The Empire feels lifeless and small. The world-building is also not good. Beside Desmond none of the characters are really interesting.

[@Diogolindir]

The empire is small because they just went out of an apocalyptic scenario and they are trying to rebuild without computers

[@TheGraemi]

@@Diogolindir Of course it is not as big as 10000 years later. But still multiple planets. Also they do not a good job at hinting of the distances between the systems. Also the world they live in feel somewhat empty. Beside isn't it already over 100 years after the battle of Corrino?

[@Diogolindir]

@TheGraemi I could argue that distances are very difficult to prove in a show and for the movies, I would prefer them to show how expensive is to travel in Dune's universe because as far as I understand, distances are really not an issue. About the battle of Corrin Im assuming that you mean that they should be already on their feet after the war but I disagree. Living in a society that depends on all sorts of AI and suddenly everything goes away and even simple computers are banned, surely isolates several planets etc.

[@TheGraemi]

@@Diogolindir Hmm, you are probably right. I forgot, the transport was instantaneous from orbit to orbit. We probably would have needed a scene like in the first Dune movie (correct me if I misremember) where they showed this from Caladan to Dune. The battle was around a 100 years before this series. The series hinted that it takes Brians "history" as base which mean that they already didn't use AI for a long time out of fear that the enemy AI would use that against them. But it's possible I misremember this. I only read the Brian stuff once a long while ago. So they already adopted before the war ended. But at the end the series does not do a god job at conveying this stuff. It's not Acolyte bad, mind you. But could be better.

[@Diogolindir]

@TheGraemi to be fair I have not read any Brian's books so my mind works with Frank's lore so I might be wrong. Anyways I like the series and I hope it gets better when we have all the episodes out but I do respect your opinion.

[@Eskimofo-le4sy]

HBO should’ve done a series about the Butlerian Jihad rather than a Benny and the Jets origin story.

[@InvaderZed]

Nooooo. Omnius. Nooo. Back to deep space with you! I dont know if it was part of the re writes but they had a pretty good idea. They pulled a brian herbert on brian and made this series post 'sisterhood of dune' book. So, really, they are very free to do what they want in the plot while staying within the larger universe.

[@Latinkon]

Only if it was based on Frank Herbert's original idea of the Butlerian Jihad... and not the War Against the Machines ripoff fabricated by Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson.

[@whom382]

If it was the Brian Herbert Butlerian Jihad, I would actively be telling everyone I know to actively not watch that garbage. I've read the first two of those book (only Brian books I've read) and didn't even finish the series. I almost never quit series in the middle. I've never written fiction but I could probably do better. At least, I'd be closer to what Frank was getting at.

[@Darius-scifieart]

Would have just ended up as a bad terminator rip off

[@jrenderos4]

nah that would have been kind of whack. the Ware against the Thinking Machines is more about humanities over reliance of technology to think for them and control of humanity. Sure the actual Jihad would have the action you are probably thinking of, but the build up is more the important part and that would be, if done well, a more cerebral Thriller of Butler uncovering the conspiracy of the machines.

[@axebeard6085]

5:54 This is an example of newer fans not knowing the lore. Desmond may be a bad guy, but he is not the only bad guy. The 3rd and especially the 4th novels make it clear that Valya is NOT on the side of the angels. I think by the end of the series we'll find that Desmond is one of those wonderful bad guys who actually has a valid point to make. Most people seem to expect this show to be another "girl bosses are the bestest ever" show, but I believe, based on what I know about the Dune lore, that this show is going to upend that. It may not do a complete reversal, but I am certain that it will at the very least show that some girl bosses are absolutely toxic.

[@Diogolindir]

Yep, there are not bad guys in Dune and yeah. A lot of people here have this weird take on the Bene Gesserit maybe they are too influenced by other shows or other franchises

[@HAbarneyWK]

I never for a second thought that Valya is the good guy here. The intro made it very clear, and even later we can see that she is ruthless. Also, it's weird to me that people think the Bene Geserit would be the good guys in the story. Have they not seen the movies? 😅

[@SplendidFactor]

Robert Baratheon and Ragnar Lothbrok are in this.

[@ashryasrinick]

So is Merlin.

[@Gungadin-c1w]

even the cast isn't original

[@yoboyrob201]

@@Gungadin-c1w that doesn’t make sense

[@Laurentiu-du9kq]

​@@ashryasrinickMerlin twice😊

[@laoch5658]

@@yoboyrob201 picking well know faces in from other roles..it does make sense

[@GeroldLive]

Watching this only for Ragnar

[@MuvvLuvv]

Ragnar in anything is the only reason why I watch anything when I see him lol.

[@F.Castle93]

Literally why I clicked to watch it last night 😭

[@tjbullis1491]

1000%. I love travis fimmel! That performance is legendary.

[@MyKuntze]

This is the only reason (apart from the scenography) to watch this show...

[@solarmaru49]

I watch these for Alex. AJ tries to pass himself off as sophisticated all the time and when he likes stuff like this, his inner pleb shows.

[@TeamGames19]

You literally get taught in high school english class that the very beginning of everything you write needs a strong hook or people don’t want to read the rest. This goes over to movies/shows also. They definitely didn’t do well with their hook.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

What hook lol they totally failed the absolute basics

[@Kay0Bot]

Guess it's standard dune " book" writing

[@zszempty]

yes - that hook in War & Peace and the Decameron are absolute bangers - good thing Tolstoy and Alighieri were listening in high school english class... Tolkien also well known for his shire based BANGERS to start off his genre establishing lingual masterpiece that is foundational to the English language, with ZERO exposition. You are delusional :)

[@Diogolindir]

@@TeamGames19 with that logic, Dune must be a bad bood because a lot of people can't get to read it. I think its well written

[@TeamGames19]

@ bad hook doesnt necessarily mean bad book. It is just supposed to get people interested enough to keep reading after the first chapter

[@VaeSapiens]

As a Frank Herbert Dune fan....Naaah. I do geek out on some concepts shown in the show (like the Spice agony), but I don't feel that Brian Herbert vision of the past is something I will ever gel with. And it's not particularly interesting to anyone who does not know Dune lore.

[@Dularr]

You can't know that.

[@matta2738]

I don't know dune lore and I thinks it's alright.

[@VaeSapiens]

I stand corrected. There at least two people who find this boring slop entertaining.

[@zszempty]

I don't get the hate - I've read the book, seen the movies... watched the other tv show... I think this was awesome. I really am kinda shocked at the reception, I mean putting this into the dune cinematic/tv world Id say this is definitely at the higher end of production/result. I thought it was great and I recommend to anyone who is interested in this universe.

[@Diogolindir]

Me too man. But I also get that people would find Dune boring but to me is fascinating

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

Brian Herbert's books are the reason pocket sand was invented. If anyone suggests you read one throw a handful of it in their face and flee to the nearest exit. Even if it’s a window.

[@callmealphalfa8425]

I don't think they are that bad lol. They definitely aren't Heretics, they definitely aren't his fathers unique prose. They are very generically written. But I did like the universe. I did like the expansion of the lore. I very much enjoyed Sandworms (I think it's the last one lol, there were so many, whichever is the 2 part conclusion) I liked the conclusion that is supposedly the way Herbert wanted his series to end. I think it was at least partly his intent, because in rereading, he does telegraph heavily who the Kwizatz Haderach was going to end up being. Having said all this...I bought Paul of Dune when it released in hardcover, never read it, and never even looked at another subsequent book after that lol. I just needed to know how the story ended I guess.

[@weswatson4616]

@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming Kevin J Anderson doesn't get enough hate for his 50% contribution to this fucking dumpster fire of extended universe bullshit. I hadn't read any of BH or KJA stuff and found like 17 of their Dune books on a sale in bulk. Worst purchase decision I ever made.

[@goodrabbi7176]

Absolutely fantastic! I’m definitely going to use that “invention of pocket sand” sometime in the future. I’ll probably use the nearest exit also. I think most of the Dune books had Slow sections, but there was only one I regret reading. It was at least 25 years ago, but I’m pretty sure it was book 4 or 5. It wasn’t the one with the female protagonist.

[@callmealphalfa8425]

@@goodrabbi7176 oh lord I don't even remember a female protagonist lol. My problem is I read all the "House" prequels, the Butlerian trilogy and then the ones that proceeded Chapterhouse and I couldn't tell you which one was which...except the last 2, and only because of what happens to Arakis and who the Kwizatz was revealed to be. I don't even remember both parts, I just remember it was a 2 parter lol. I think I liked the Omnius and Erasmus books. I guess they weren't that bad if I read them all lol. Its like 20 books.

[@TheGraemi]

Na, collect their water.

[@Cenot4ph]

Skip to around 7:00 for the Alex review, the real review

[@xemera1d]

It's all opinion, don't like it, don't watch🤡

[@Black8White]

Lol

[@Black8White]

​@xemera1d That's such a weird thing to say. One has to watch something in order to know if they like it.

[@Perhapsawiseman]

🙏🏻

[@husker4life109]

Calm down

[@ashmeetkumar9235]

Man, I started watching the first episode and it did not grab me. I quit half way on the first episode. The Benny and the jets storyline is not great, plus it's boring. They should have just did the Butlerian Jihad storyline for the whole season. I'm done with the space witches at this point in my life. The Power of Manyyyyyyyyy........... left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@mudmonkeymagic]

Same for me. Expo dumps one after the other and sub-Kung Fu training for the gals.... NOPE.

[@xChedder]

4:19 you can’t even watch Raised By Wolves anywhere!?!? Removed from Max and can’t find anywhere to re watch

[@DerKopfsammler666]

Piracy to the rescue 😂

[@jeremybaker5452]

HBO Max did that show wrong

[@410MaXiMuS]

That’s insane!! The show was actually really good imo and was getting even better.

[@zszempty]

started off well and turned into hot trash once they started fleshing out Travis's story. basing that show on kids ruined it... kids were insufferable... i would literally fast forward through the CAMPion sections....

[@steve87j]

I'm a fan of the Dune movies and recently The Penguin. I think this biggest problem with this show is that it's shallow. There just isn't any depth. It feels like a very expensive CW show. I really want to like it. But I'm having a hard time. So many of the characters have no distinct personality. They just say lines. And based on what they say "defines" the character. So much of the shows dialogue feels empty bc its like reading a script rather than seeing people be emotional. You can distinctly define any character in Pengiun. In Dune I really can't. I just know Ragnar is playing Ragnar lol

[@Dakhor]

THIS is exactly how I felt about the Dune movies when compared to the Lynch ones. Villeneuve movies are all flair no heart.

[@steve87j]

@Dakhor weird. Bc the dune movies are praised across the board. This show is kind of lame. And Timothy carries in dune 2. Very emotional acting so I have to disagree. When he is doing his speech I got chills. 2 episodes in of dune show I'm barely staying awake. And I just finished from which is notoriously low budget but a fun show. Dune TV is just cw on hbo

[@whom382]

@@Dakhor I'd reverse that. Lynch is all style no substance.

[@thomascawley7056]

Nailed it. They all talk and act exactly the same. Any traits they do have are quite predictable (the princess likes to sneak out and is banging the trainer, ooo, never seen that one before). And all they do is talk, not much visually interesting going on.

[@sebastianpalacios2679]

The problem I see with this show is that there're so many characters and the pacing feels off and boring. I'd say people who don't know anything about Dune will feel lost the entire season because it feels like the show was made for hardcore fans only. The average person will feel bored. Hell even Alex was bored. Unfortunately I was too.

[@AlwayzFresh]

Anything with 6 episode will always be poorly paced and boring. its a 2 hour story stretched out so they can call it a show and get folks to subscribe. It's basically an advertisement for the streaming service at this point with some story and visuals thrown in. This was not made with the goal of entertaining and telling a good story, it was made with the goal of getting subscriber to streaming services.

[@deljonfinister3598]

I'm into it and I'm not a hardcore fan.

[@zszempty]

Im starting to feel a large part of commenters hating havnt actually seen this show lol...did you just skim through 10mins and make up your mind... I am a fan, never read or going to read Brians efforts... in terms of Dune cinematic/tv adaptations - this is right up there, there are not 'many characters'... you were introduced to more chars in the first 10mins of Lynchs Dune... you were introduced to DOUBLE that in SyFy's show. Apart from the catty ginger and ethnic shrek Id say all the chars are well written and interesting so far.

[@TheGraemi]

@@deljonfinister3598 Can you tell us why?

[@Diogolindir]

This I dont understand. They make a show for Dune newcommers ane everyone complains. They make a show that show loves for details in the lore and that is bad also

[@gregoryfloriolli9031]

The only reason I gave this show a chance was because it had Travis Fimmel and so far he’s the only reason to watch. Whenever he’s on screen, it’s compelling. When he’s not on screen, I’m bored.

[@tjbullis1491]

exactly. i like the dune movies but came for Travis Fimmel and so far he has barely been in it lol

[@BigBear--]

I think that final scene in epsiode 2, he knew the voice has no effect on him, but played along anyway to see her reaction. Like he said after, he was interested in finding out her true fear. So I dont think he just managed to resist last second, I think she had no control from the beginning, and he just played along. Notice he kinda goes slow with taking out the knife, and putting it to his throat, there are pauses in his responses after every of her commands. Normally the people being controlled by the Voice, just jump to.

[@HAbarneyWK]

That could very well represent the struggle. He probably never faced anything like that and had to power through it (or something along that line)

[@LuizBarrosPoa]

I had to watch both episodes in 4 halves, 😴. It's scene after scene of someone entering a set, speaking to another person and leave.

[@jaybazza248]

If people dislike this show how TF did they like the movies which never featured The Guild or The Imperium or the Landsraad or the function of Spice in the economy/psychic use

[@greenjelloe418]

The Dune film’s huge success is a complete mystery to me. I have no idea what about them appealed to the masses.

[@jaybazza248]

Dune can be enjoyed on a large or small scale. the classic dune is a medieval society set in a hi sci-fi age. From there it almost becomes like warhammer with insane galactic wars and monster god emperors. I enjoyed the first book the most but get why people like the other books too. the movies missed 95% of it but were good visually.

[@Latinkon]

SciFi's _Dune_ & _Children of Dune_ miniseries is the only good _Dune_ TV show... if only because it faithfully follows _Dune_ lore as written by Frank Herbert. Yes, it has its problems. But at least it is most faithful to the books.

[@Cenot4ph]

It is really mehh

[@zszempty]

this is inarguably better... I think if Ewan could go back in time, he'd tell himself not to do that show it was that bad... I still loved it, but I am a fan.

[@JarvisCosric885]

Children of Dune was and is incredible and I personally can’t wait to see God Emperor of Dune someday and hopefully we see Children of Dune after Denis does Dune Messiah unless his Dune Messiah does include Children of Dune secretly

[@cathulhu3772]

I agree. Both are REALLY GOOD

[@Cenot4ph]

@cathulhu3772 theyre not at all, average is the description

[@stephen0406]

People watch Dune for the politics between the great Houses, but the series tried to stuff those girl school Hogwarts type drama in there, which nobody cares because it is so insignificant compared to the political tensions between the worlds and Houses.

[@zszempty]

the intrigue is LITERALLY high school drama... even in the books.... the whole rivalry between Atreides and Harkonnen is LITERAL high school drama... read it man... Jesus I feel like these comments are all very opinionated hardcore fans of Frank Herberts dune WHO HAVE NEVER READ OR SEEN THE MOVIES OR BOOKS... Nobles in Dune engage in a ritualistic form of argument where they send insulting or threatening poetry to each other in a very specific and structure way and format, sometimes for years. Im not sure what political intrigue or universe you had in mind - but High School drama has always been Dunes format of storytelling.

[@brandong.1337]

​@zszempty None of these people have read the books or they wouldn't be saying such stupid bandwagon me too crap.

[@Diogolindir]

@@brandong.1337 a lot of comments here are people who got traumatized with the Acolyte and don"t even understand Dune so they see a show about a group of women then decide it must be bad

[@victariondrownedmemory9886]

@@zszempty your entitled to your opinion sure but dont shit on this guy for his opinion. i agree with both of your takes. the fact that your reply has so many caps is a sign that this guys opinion triggered you. Life is short and theres much much more to be stressed about

[@zszempty]

@@victariondrownedmemory9886 yes it did, I like the show and dont understand the hate... Stop opinion policing please, we can all have views and feel passionately about them if we like.

[@axebeard6085]

9:48 One problem here is that the Bene Tleilax play a big role in the next film. Another problem is that the choices the Sisterhood makes in this show are important in understanding their actions in the next film. Here are some things the show needs to set up: 1. How the Bene Gesserit are different than the Bene Tleilax. 2. The Bene Gesserit view of gholas and artificial insemination. 3. The Bene Gesserit drive to manipulate others instead of guiding them. 4. What a ghola is. 5. How the Sisterhood failed, so that you'll understand what happens to Paul, Chani, and their children. 6. How Other Memory works. These are all fairly complex topics that aren't going to be explained in a 3 hour movie without a LOT of exposition.

[@tedrow70]

Travis Fimmel is as always, slaying. Absolutely phenomenal actor, and the whole overall cast is fantastic!

[@DrSpaceCapeTV]

Couldn't disagree more. I think he's terribly boring and plays literally the exact same character and everything. It's just sci-fi Ragnar.

[@tedrow70]

@ this guy is literally a psychotic rebel with delusions of grandeur, completely incomparable to Ragnar. Characters have nothing in common in any way. Ragnar was a far more in depth and complex character, and had the time for such

[@gabrield4892]

Reminds me Acolyte. During the first episode I expected the diverse group of high school looking girls to start chanting “the power of one, the power of many”.

[@funkrobot9762]

The bigotry is strong with this one

[@TheSchneeds1]

Travis Fimmel is already carrying this on his back and he's barely in it. Half the dialog is terrible. Half the casting is terrible. Half the characters are complete morons. The exposition is heavy. How did HBO of all studios manage to miss this opportunity?

[@weswatson4616]

Because it's based on shit tier writing by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. This isn't Frank Herberts Dune

[@IdocarebutIdont]

Ragnar is carrying this shooow haaaaard rn. His screen presence is just unmatched. They needed more people on his level, cause the other actors can't keep up and have a CW feel to them.

[@ShowtimeKaos]

He's the reason I even wanted to watch this show after seeing him in Raised By Wolves.

[@goodrabbi7176]

Dune has always been exposition heavy, regardless the Herbert who wrote it. I feel like the son’s stuff actually had more speed to it, and more teen angst. I haven’t seen the show yet, but it sounds like you are both right, and have different tastes, and expectations. I’m not watching it. Definitely doesn’t sound like my vibe.

[@zszempty]

lemme help you - Travis is great in this, he is written well to boot. Shows pretty good - I challenge you to write better dialogue, this is better than 90% of whats on TV. Casting is spot on, feels right to me and Im a Dune fan. Chars are supposed to be morons, they live in a time of fear and class stratification - the nobles are venal and inept... the soldiers have fluid loyalties, the emperor is an indecisive dolt relying on the sisterhood for everything.... this all tracks and makes sense in this universe. I dont get your criticism and I think you should try watching the show again if you like Dune.... if not thats ok too.

[@VastoFlo13]

This show is really surprising good. For once I’m on AJs and against the comments. Feel like many of you are caught up by The Acolyte lol we get it The Acolyte was the worst shit ever but this isn’t so bad.

[@z3roninja565]

I agree, as a casual dune fan who just watched the first film this year right in time for the 2nds release, I find it entertaining enough

[@Vsn24]

I'm definitely loving the show, I didn't go into this show expecting action and fights. It's all political intrigue and it does it very well so far

[@VastoFlo13]

@@z3roninja565 same I’m enjoying it a lot. I don’t know if it’s because we aren’t hardcore fans of dune. I usually side with Alex and OJ of stuff but for this one I have to disagree and agree with AJ.

[@Latinkon]

I don't have much hope for this series after hearing all the pre-production problems it faced. And the fact it is weighed down by a weak foundation due to its lackluster source material (ie: a book not written by Frank Herbert). I'll be pleasantly surprised if the show ends up far better than what we have now... which I want it to be.

[@courve]

The show is painfully boring. We don’t need to know the backstory of the shadow faction, and in any case, Paul Atreides makes them obsolete since he was a success contrary to their core plans, and he has the Voice™️, which is their only claim to fame.

[@fakshen1973]

I think the two Joe's opinions nail science fiction audiences. There are two classes: there are scifi nerds and franchise purists. You have to make them happy or they will crush your series/movies on social media to their hardcore audiences. Then you have the bread and butter movie goers/subscribers that your success will hinge on once it makes it past the core audience. You have to sink both baskets for a sci-fi hit. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica and Aliens are great case studies in how to build a franchise and sink both baskets.

[@axebeard6085]

12:57 I'm pretty sure you've seen Leto II in a vision, although the vision is symbolic. The first vision showing a giant sandworm eating the Sisterhood's Keep on Wallach IX is a good symbolic representation of what Leto II does to the Sisterhood.

[@Bloodworia]

We can never have something good these days without a -verse in the making right away.

[@husker4life109]

Dune has over 26 books it was inevitable that they would make a show based on one of the books

[@PappaPalps]

I love joes reaction when oj gives it a 4. You can really tell he’s learned how to let joe and Alex have their own spotlight, Ive been watching these guys for 12 years.

[@SP-cp3qu]

good point!

[@wackyruss]

DUNE is not for everybody. I think it’s too boring for “Normies” If you have no background knowledge and haven’t read any DUNE novels you might be lost and/or bored. Hardcore DUNERS like myself are split on Prophecy as the expanded DUNIVERSE is often the subject of scorn beyond the Orignal Six Frank Herbert Books. I personally am digging it because it’s very “Space Game of Thrones”. After two episode in I’ll continue watching! I’m glad that Angry Joe digs it and the shoutout to Quinn’s Ideas was great!!!

[@silver4831]

I mean a lot of Dune fans say all books past the first one start to get on dodgy territory in regards to being good.

[@MySamurai77]

I can't bring myself to watch this after reading a couple of B. Herbert's awful books.

[@silver4831]

@MySamurai77 Absolutely, it's a sin he made his father's books not canon...

[@MySamurai77]

@@silver4831 Tolkien's son didn't try to write a bunch of sequels. I dunno maybe B. Herbert has some daddy issues.

[@ShakaCthulu]

HBO cancels the great Raised By Wolves, yet greenlights a Brian Herbert Dune series? wtf

[@albertbresca8904]

could be because peolpe weren't watching that series as it went so far off the deepend...

[@xTomWolfx]

"The power of Spice, The power of Dune... The power of Mannny."

[@Diogolindir]

Normie comment here

[@RebelDrifter]

@AngryJoeShow - did you know KWAN from HALO is in this as well? HAHA I didn't know if you talked about that already - you're in for a treat in ep 3 :P

[@rodturner6759]

Quinn is awesome.

[@jeffdurkin6772]

Season 1 should just be about the BG and their rise to power in the aftermath of the Jihad. Season 2 should start with Desmond showing up, the challenger to the characters we would seen developed and the order they forged - along with Corrino - out of the ruins of war. Instead, this feels rushed, under-developed and over-plotted, with too many sketchy characters and the Sisterhood already dominating the Imperium.

[@micbab-vg2mu]

I do not like it:(

[@KingOfMadCows]

There's something off about this show. It's supposed to take place just 100 years after the Butlerian Jihad, a massive galactic war where entire planets were wiped out. But they've somehow already rebuilt everything? And they did it without computers? Not to mention how FTL travel is extremely dangerous without computers or Guild Navigator since each time they fold space, there's a chance the ship just disappears.

[@jackloughridge7617]

I thought it was pretty good, don’t completely understand the pacing complaints. The one thing that bothers me is how similar this world feels to the one from the movies. 10,000 years have passed between them, that long ago on our planet there were no written languages but in this series the atredies house exists, the harkonens exist, the bene geserit exist and the no.1 commodity is spice and the biggest problem in obtaining spice are the fremin.

[@strangefire2024]

my issue Benny and the Jets is that all this power, influence, intrigue, all this pain, suffering, sacrifice and deaths all lead to.....nothing. after ten thousand years, it all boils down to just ONE card carrying Benny and the Jets member to actually fall in love with her husband and lovingly give him what HE wanted, which is a son, which Benny and the Jets DID NOT want and for good reason. the ENTIRE series then works on undoing all the damage for humanity this single act lead to and ends essentially with humanity going back to square one.

[@Shadownian]

"The power of one, the power of two, the power of mannnyyyyyyy"

[@jonathana6298]

17:00 My biggest problem with the show so far is how the voice is depicted. They got it completely wrong. The voice is supposed to be extreme compulsion, kind of like hypnotism. The show depicts it like a “control magic” spell. The movies got it right. When Paul attempts to use it on his mother in the beginning of part 1, she loses focus for a second and imagines her hand reaching out to the glass of water. When the reverend mother uses it on Paul, “come here” “kneel”, and suddenly he finds himself kneeling in front of her, as if he was sleep walking a few steps and just snapped out of it. And in past 2, a more extreme version happens to Feyd Rautha, when Lady Fenring leads him to her room. From Feyd’s POV is disorienting and dream-like. In the show, the affected person is completely lucid and just loses control of their motor functions. It’s so bad, especially when they have multiple examples of how to do it right.

[@zszempty]

there is one use of it in the show... she gives 3 commands and the victim says nothing other to respond to a question.... and the victim is a lifelong BG with all the training and knowledge the user had if not more (is related to raquella etc). I dont think thats a fair conclusion to make with 2 eps out.

[@Diogolindir]

Another cool detail is that the first depiction of the voice feels raw, like out of control and that was intentional(I think the showrunner talked about this) Alya didnt have the control of it at that moment​ @zszempty

[@Wiggywoo1977]

I find Joe seems to have his feelings hurt when the other two dont agree with his opinion.

[@jethrostaz4407]

Agreed, its pretty annoying when they disagree and he tries to force them to back down.

[@Cenot4ph]

He's a fanboy acting like a critic

[@tjbullis1491]

episode 2 is well paced joe!? what?? did we watch the same thing? i found myself having to resist checking my phone cuz i was just so damn bored

[@RickGrimes-nm7if]

Bro go back to watching marvel movies lmao

[@gabrield4892]

It’s bad kinda. The sisterhood parts are cringy and give of “the power of one, the power of many” vibes. If you skip the sisterhood parts it’s not bad. Unfortunately some the show is smooth the sisterhood, you have to skip a lot and makes watching it almost pointless.

[@stephen0406]

Agree, the girl school drama with the bully and such is so worn out. And so unimportant compared to the political tensions that's happening at the same time.

[@axebeard6085]

0:29 If you've read the Dune Encyclopedia and the 4th novel (God Emperor of Dune), then you'll know that the "weirding modules" from David Lynch's Dune is an important part of the lore. In the foreword to the Dune Encyclopedia, Frank Herbert wrote that his intention was for the Dune Encyclopedia to be an in-universe document that has varying degrees of reliability. In other words, some of it is true, some of it is kinda true, and some of it is "fake news". In the 4th novel, there is a major plot point revolving around historical documents being full of lies. The novel even tells us about historians who are burnt on a pyre of their own books because they lied "pretentiously." Instead of bemoaning the fact that various Dune media disagree with each other, I think Frank Herbert would rather have us treat it all as in-universe historical documents of varying reliability. Take the "weirding modules". Who in the Duniverse would want to hide the fact that the "weirding way" of battle exists. Who would want to disguise it as a sound weapon? The Bene Gesserit, of course. So, Lynch's film should be seen as a piece of in-universe Bene Gesserit propaganda.

[@Gamebent1]

Jene-Besserit...Bene-Jesserit...Benny and the Jets...nice

[@ArrakisCentral]

Valya starts figuring out the voice in Sisterhood of Dune, the scene where she uses it against Dorotea is straight from Mentats of Dune, it happens almost straight from the book. But she keeps the voice a secret for a long time, she only uses it a few times. And one other person was able to resist the voice besides Desmont, she tried to use the voice on Vorian Ateides at the end of Navigators of Dune but he resists it.

[@Ryder_OMEGA]

I like Dune as much as the next guy, but honestly I passed out of boredom in the first 10 minutes. Not picking this show up again, but I'll be happy to see the reviews I guess.

[@DietMtnDew]

Currently watching it as well and I have to agree with AJ. I can see why OJ wouldnt like this, but Alex must be jaded on cinema in general at this point.

[@miralande220]

Quinns ideas is great for Sci-fi. Check out his friend "David lightbringer" if your into Song of ice and fire deep dives.

[@mediumvillain]

The first episode I thought was kinda slow dumping you into ongoing events and filling in all the exposition but I went back to it and the show got really pretty good pretty fast building off of it. Also was psyched to see dude from Raised by Wolves come back as the religious fanatic with magic powers. Valya and especially Tula started to become a lot more interesting in the 3rd episode. Honestly it's mostly just TV show pacing. Probably also some streaming era TV writer issues with the first episode being slow and needing 2 episodes to really start picking up. They really arent leaning in a YA direction just because there's young women characters though lmao, online dudes need to chill tf out. There's nothing remotely Harry Potter about it. They even show you some gratuitous tits. And they're complaining about not seeing the origin of the voice right in the first episode but that seems to be an ongoing thing that will be delved into more. I would definitely agree more with AJ here. First episode had promising ideas and some great visuals but was overall slow and wasnt as immediately interesting, which isnt great for a first impression but it was enough to get me to come back to it. The episodes do get better as it goes though.

[@wintermute1943]

❤ Quinn's Ideas!

[@axebeard6085]

1:43 The problem is that MOST fans are not very familiar with Frank Herbert's works. I have been reading Frank Herbert's novels at least once a year since the mid 1980's. (They are my comfort food.) But not only that, I am a detail-oriented fan. For Dune Prophecy, the shaitan is in the details. Dune Prophecy is one of those shows where you will want to watch the entire series, and then go back and re-watch it to see all the tiny Easter eggs that were hidden along the way. Here's an example: When Lila goes through the Agony, she sees a vision of her grandmother's (Dorotea) death. This is NOT how Other Memory works. The ancestral Other Memories are passed on to the child at the moment of conception. After that point, the parent continues to make new memories, but those memories are not included in the child's Other Memories. (The 3rd novel, Children of Dune, makes this VERY clear.) But how could Lila have seen Dorortea's death from Dorotea's perspective? There is ONLY ONE WAY: Dorotea's "mother" was a ghola of Dorotea. A ghola is similar to a clone. But where a clone is created from the cells of a living person, a ghola is created from the cells of a freshly-dead corpse. In the Duniverse, gholas are the ONLY creatures able to access the memories of their originals death. To me, it seems clear that the show is trying to do the same thing that Dune Part 1 did: Include a lot of lore in plain sight without explaining it. This worked brilliantly in the film. It was a feast for long-time fans, and it gave new fans a sense that the world was much deeper without ruining their enjoyment. Based on the reviews I'm seeing, it appears many fans of the films are too impatient, and will walk away from the series without seeing where all the easter eggs go.

[@87hiphopfan]

This shit sucks

[@silver4831]

Most of his books suck. It falls flat with 2 and gets goofy.

[@henry-js]

Quinn's Ideas is an amazing channel 10/10

[@ArrakisCentral]

So at this point in the lore that this show is set in, the Sisterhood is not called the Bene Gesserit yet, and they have not discovered the water of life poison yet, they are still using poisons developled on the original Sisterhood planet of Rossak.

[@AlwayzFresh]

Anything with 6 episode will always be poorly paced and boring. its a 2 hour story stretched out so they can call it a show and get folks to subscribe. It's basically an advertisement for the streaming service at this point with some story and visuals thrown in. 6 episodes. This was not made with the goal of entertaining and telling a good story, it was made with the goal of getting subscriber to streaming services. This type of show is way to transparent in 2024. 6 episode tells it all.

[@Latinkon]

Not surprising at all, since this series is based on a cash grab of a book. It didn't help matters that the show suffered problems in pre-production.

[@ArdaKaraduman]

Im in the same boat with Joe. Went in with low expectations, but got more than I was asking for. Going good so far, a part from some wooden performances. I give it some actors not totally in their role. I think this improves more, as actors see themselves on the screen, and they get more the mood they are supposed to be in. i think it will be much better in a 2nd season if it comes by. Except for Travis Fimmel. That guy is good whatever he does. That rogue scruffy villainy antagonist ? or protagonist ? not sure, lines are always blurred with him.

[@dev7615]

I really, really don't like it so far

[@TehIdiotOne]

Without having watched the review yet, so far it's been OK/aight. Probably worth watching if you're interested in the universe, but do expect some of the dialogue to be pretty meh. They also ripped the aesthetic pretty much straight out of the movies though, and it's a little a bit strange how it seems barely anything changes over 10000 years. Remember, that's longer than all of recorded human history, with all the massive amount of change that has happend in that time. Entire cultures, languages coming and going etc. So like i'd probably rate it maybe a 6-6.5 so far.

[@Brejan]

I'm just not interested in more "TV wrtiters pull something out of their ass and slap the name of a beloved book on it". If this goes on we'll get a To Kill a Mockingbird tv series about grown up Scout solving crimes or some shit.

[@raphk9599]

Don't give them ideas

[@PsyclownSK]

I remember reading Brian's 860 pages of fan-fiction. Oh my... It wasn't good, even for a fan-fiction. So, ok, 12 years later I don't remember much of it, but I can say that this HBO series plot occurs AFTER the events of this "Sisterhood of Dune" book. Now, I didn't expect anything, but I'm still disappointed, because, Imho, Brian's cannon sucks and this show is 100% Brian's cannon accurate.

[@weswatson4616]

Kevin Anderson needs some of the hate as well. He fucking horrible.

[@k--music]

"fan-fiction"' is an odd way to spell "shallow opportunist capitalizing on his dead father's brand"

[@joshmcgriff2598]

Watch Silo instead.

[@NerdimusPrimeX]

Silo is good.

[@rdavidsmith]

Boring show. Joe is simping hard for this trash. Couldn't get past first episode

[@Darkness1984]

Dont worry, there will be another fast and furious movie soon for you.

[@vavan100]

Why can't they just say his secret and move on with the story? Why are they stanching things so much?

[@thomascawley7056]

Literally. In the post show episode recap on Max the director(?) said his mystery would run throughout the season. Why? It’s not a very entertaining thing for a viewer to ponder, especially for a casual viewer like me. It just makes me confused who the hell this guy that can burn people alive from the inside across the universe is

[@jobomb2852]

"I think episode 2 is very well paced." - Angry Joe This is proof that either Joe doesn't know what "pacing" is or he's playing on his phone during the shows he reviews. They literally establish that Fimmel is confirmed as the murderer of the kid 3 times throughout the episode, just him saying it to different characters without establishing anything different in any of those scenes. In industry terms that's called "filler" which is a problem 2 episodes, 1/3 of the way into your series. This show is not very good. Visuals are amazing and on pace with the new movies which is great. Casting is great and the performance are good with good dialog. Problem is all these characters are just pudding around with nothing to do while other characters are delivering dialog or emotional dumps. They also come off kind of dumb, as if the Emperor or anyone else isn't supposed to expect conspiracies while they're also creating their own (which is a big part of the Dune universe) and somehow these galactic sisterhood with direct and super important positions aren't somehow among the first suspects if not THE suspect. Was I supposed to be shocked when the creepy witches that are behind every seat of power were also behind the spice raid mentioned (not shown) in episode 1? Because I wasn't because I'm not an idiot.

[@Érinn-o2g]

I'm gonna say it and I am a woman, all the characters are boring except Ragnar 😅, the princess is so annoying, the girls are super boring too, the man in charge is his wife sub, the visual don't impress as in the movie, music is pretty dull and the whole show feels like a low budget sci-fi channel series. It never has that wow scene that each episode of the penguin or the house if the dragon (lower tier than 🐧 had) for example. Totally not on board.

[@MorbidMind123]

It feels like The Acolyte with a Dune paintjob to me

[@M0b1us_118]

That’s precisely what I said. Except, I think this is FAR better than The Acolyte.

[@Eyeroll_Tornado]

The dates for things are wildly off the established lore.

[@byronhorde5892]

I only clicked in here to answer the question. My answer to said question is... YES.

[@Nanobrker]

Watches the first 2 episodes and calling it now..... Real Desmond is dead and that's just Desmond's body being possessed by lady who died in pilot episode( Leila's mother) . Hence the real hatred for sisterhood (or what it has become) and especially the Reverend mother. I could see it in the eyes the way Desmond character was fixated on her and looked at her with such intensity. Remember Leila could not see her mother during agony because she wasn't there.

[@foocoult]

bro you only knew the travis actor from raised by wolves? you never watched the vikings? the original vikings that is.

[@M82RKY]

Could have been a big woke disaster, has all the ingredients but steers away from that shit and keeps close to the source material.

[@ArrakisCentral]

This show takes place 30 years after the events of Sisterhood, Mentats, and Navigators of Dune the books. They even referenced Vorian Atreiedes. I was actually surprised.

[@silver4831]

Nobody liked those books though.

[@falconreconeight]

It looks horrible and they focus on the stuff that isn’t really interesting.

[@tyfrdad6879]

Other Joe: there's not enough bright colors. It's boring. Alex: there's too many women. It's boring. It's not a 10 but Joe is right. This is a good show with good acting. The story is intriguing. I like it.

[@TehIdiotOne]

Pretty much my impression too. It's a *fine* show. Nothing grounbreaking or anything, particularily the dialogue, but so far i'd say it's been worth to watch. And i came in with pretty low expectations after hearing early reviews were shit

[@pszemas85]

You fool Joe ...how can you not know who King Ragnar is? Lol ... yes Travis is amazing in almost every role I have seen this man play . He brings full package brother.

[@Timlagor]

I got half way though Ep 1. Bene Gesserit are supposed to be supreme manipulators -this did it by just making everyone else shockingly stupid It is pretty but the money would have been much better spent on God Emperor

[@GholaTleilaxu]

9:59: House Richese, the house of Richie Rich :) From _Terminology of the Imperium_ , the glossary at the end of the first Dune novel: "RICHESE: fourth planet of Eridani A, classed with Ix as supreme in machine culture. Noted for miniaturization. (For a detailed study on how Richese and Ix escaped the more severe effects of the Butlerian Jihad, see _The Last Jihad_ by Summer and Kautman.)".

[@Belkan88]

It's a good series, just hope they tone down the sex scenes because the one in chapter 2 was too long and was too damn awkward lmao. Like they were going at it for minutes

[@nullakjg767]

its information gathering and sexposition. thats very common in the novels.

[@slavche]

lmao really? I'll be watching this anyway, interested to see if it is more awkward as you say, that long in a show or movie tends to get awkward. Cuz they can't go real real, but... you watching a movie/show.. anyway.

[@AussieLiam93]

The whole show cant just be non stop action its a space opera not an action show..

[@ashryasrinick]

For me the sex scene is like they try to attempt to pull more audience.

[@IdocarebutIdont]

It really felt force.. Almost as If they wanted to say "Look, I know we have plenty of women and feminism in our show, but here are some tits and sex for you, Guys! Please like our show " 😂

[@silentnative0134]

The unknown man is Leto II using the flow of time and spice to go back and fullfill the self fulfilling prophecy.

[@cowboywayne35]

Mark it in the history books the first time these dudes have ever disagreed on a movie or tv show

[@edboymovies]

I've seen them disagree plenty before

[@herdsire90210]

Not gonna lie .. I enjoyed it.

[@franswiggidy]

Alex used to hate everything. Good to see a return to his core values with what he likes in his entertainment 😂

[@cowboywayne35]

@@edboymovies don't think I ever have.

[@michaelh878]

​@@cowboywayne35is 7/10 vs 10/10 for arcane not disagreeing?

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

Episode 2 was great, feel like people are trying to find reasons to hate on the show.

[@lfc08adam]

That's all people do now days. Too much content

[@tjbullis1491]

Im surprised how much joe liked it. I definitely agree more with other joe and alex its was boring. It kinda feels like joe has rose tinted glasses on and he binge a buncha explanation videos and is trying to like it. Since the dune movies are SO good.

[@바보Queen]

kind of bullshit the old movies shows the weirding way fighting style and the new movies doesn't show squat oh how the bene fight

[@bmafirebirdstudios]

Dune prophecy is (so far) a cerebral pursuit worthy of the Dune tradition. Although It will likely not appeal to an "intelligence quotient" unimpressed by psychopathology, or by political intrigue and religiosity ( greater or lesser lolol). I say that meaning no slight, It is after-all a cerebral pursuit, and a worthy pursuit in my estimation. If what one is after has more to do with entertainment than art, this series makes little sense, and probably will be viewed through whatever colors that particular view. We often smother any possibility of depth with jargon or drivel. To my mind this series does well enough what the acolyte attempted, but so dreadfully and woefully failed to accomplish (at least so far). We will see how it progresses. We will see in what direction it bends. But until then I will not reserve judgement so quickly as to miss what the artist is trying to impact upon me or empart. I'll watch so long as it doesn't go off the rails, or try to carry me off the rails - good job so far. Good review.❤🙏

[@FedouBC]

This show is a 6 for me atm. The idea is really cool, but the execution is super lackluster. The dialogue is just ok, the shots feels like more like an stw show than a dune show and the intrigue who characterize dune is not there, there's mistery surrounding Desmond powers, but that's it. All the characters feels bland and one note. The club scene doesn't belong in a Dune story either. The Emperor sucks, he looks like a dumb kid who doesn't know what he's doing and the whole cast feels miss cast and watching Travis Fimmel doing the same role for the third time is soooo boring. Idk, atm I feel super dissapointed at the show.

[@thomascawley7056]

Seriously, how did this emperor get and stay in power. He’s completely feckless as a character, but it doesn’t seem like he’s intentionally written that way, it’s just how he comes across to the viewer

[@Zilron38]

I think dune is a slow burn and I feel getting bored through parts of the episodes, but I say it is also good and probably worth the watch and it will pay of. I also found a lot of episode of game of thrones boring, but watched the whole thing because there were always 1 or 2 episodes in a season that really paid of. I'll give this the game of thrones treatment.

[@ares106]

Why couldn’t they change it to like 200-300 years before Dune. That would have made a lot more sense.

[@Diogolindir]

I would argue that those huge time skips make sense for Dune.

[@ares106]

@ the time skip that made sense for me was the one for Leto ||. 3500 years with a tyrant that kept everything stagnant, and still the social political and ecological situation on Arrakis is changed drastically. This series has roughly same social and political environment and the same visuals as the movies but there is a 10000 year gap here, it’s hard to suspend disbelief.

[@eltravos99]

Yeah, the worlds and settings are WAY too similar to the Dune movies. If it were 10,000 years before it would be drastically different. I mean just think about what the world looked like 10,000 years ago on Earth.

[@jacksoncombs]

Quinn's Ideas is the Dune Lore GOAT- I go watch his vids after every episode as well

[@tko_5]

I would say it's a 7 out of 10 so far. I am interested enough. I'm waiting for it to really wow me though. It has potential to gain more points. But honestly I'm invested.

[@thedarkemissary]

12:00 Stopped watching the video once the spoilers started. Just can't watch any of these Dune videos y'all upload. You always do this.

[@thomasshelby5454]

Genuine question: if a show like the sopranos or breaking bad coming out THIS YEAR (2024) instead early 2000s, do you guys think that show gonna have the same praise as they are now?? Think about it.. people nowadays cant stand slow pace series.. their attention span is cooked... im 1000% sure people would called it "boring"

[@freman007]

There is a difference between a character driven story, where the audience are invested in the character/s and can handle a slower pace, and plot driven stories, where the characters merely exist to facilitate the plot happening, and if the pace slows it does indeed get boring, because there's no other reason to watch the show.

[@goodrabbi7176]

Breaking bad was boring at times. And the Sopranos had some stinker episodes and story arcs too. But can you imagine having to wait a week to watch something that Everybody else was watching at the same time?!? And if you missed it, you had a second chance to watch it later that week?

[@lllazyoli]

Not everybody likes your favourite show. Nothing to do with release date or pacing. I am an old fart, so my attention span is not that of an average tik tok kid and I still find this boring as hell. Unlikeable characters and a boring story. No tension AT ALL. Notice, I said tension not action! The premise, setting, factions and atmosphere are actually not that bad, it's just that the writers don't have anything interesting to say. And yes there are a bunch of currently running shows that I still enjoy like From for example.

[@goodrabbi7176]

@ okay, kid. Maybe read up on recent history. I wasn’t even a fan. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t an objectively well written, profanity and violence laced, cultural phenomenon. It received word-wide recognition.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

100% people would have called BB a "borefest"

[@emperorg9910]

I like the overall story so far. The sex scenes are not needed. The characters are all jerks. Dialog could use improving, but I like the world except for the chips that give info that's kind of weak.