Dungeon Dudes & @DnDDeepDive : 2024 PHB Discussion

[@DnDDeepDive]

Thanks again for the invite guys! So much fun. You are truly the best.

[@clarkside4493]

Just got to the "Barbarian/Paladin" multiclass bit. I'd like to think the Bonus Action Lay on Hands would still be useful for a Barbarian after Raging, but it's hard to say what other synergies there might be.

[@N7spectre117]

Great collab, Colby!

[@Blasthole]

I had no idea you lived in Utah as well! Not that surprising for me, but still cool

[@davidinserra1965]

Love the Dungeon Dudes but just fundamentally disagree with them on the smite change. Thank you Colby for pointing out the conflict between the new Smite with spell and bonus action requirements and countless other ways to weaponize your bonus action and how it conflicts with many other multiclass options. I agree with Monty that not everything should be optimal, but there are too many feat/weapon/multiclass options that aren't minmaxing optimal but just about fulfilling the fantasy of the player at the table and these changes make playing those fantasy just feel bad. The conflict with rage, cunning action, flurry of blow, GWM, PAM, etc. just makes me sad for some of the builds that I've had fun with that weren't min-maxxed smite machines, but still felt like they weren't purposefully introducing even more conflict into my build. But TIL that the dudes really hate multiclassing lol.

[@symbiot7098]

You guys are both the best 👌

[@jonathankelly4222]

I love that Colby wore the Dungeon Dudes T-Shirt to the interview. Class act that guy is.

[@TheBucketOfTruth]

Skip to 19:00 for them actually beginning the discussion

[@Maximilian_Romus]

Thank You

[@xrichie7924]

Love you brother!

[@Humanitaet]

Came here for this

[@Noob_DnD_Dad]

Thank you

[@VTheTuber]

We need a d4+dungeon dudes+treantmonk 2024 one shot

[@Aikolon]

And when the monster manuel drops simply do another one to test the new monsters as well

[@ninjasquirrels]

Everyone plays a Sorlock Monk in 3, 2…

[@okayhellohihowyadoin]

I think they should do one every few months. It’s extremely entertaining.

[@JGRICH61]

Their last one was awesome.

[@dominicpalladini7290]

You mean a campaign 1-20, right?

[@Tusitala1967]

Alternate Hunter's Marks 37:00 is a brilliant and elegant solution to what appeared an insoluble problem about the new Ranger. Well done, Monty!

[@FromMan2Monkey]

It doesn’t fix how poorly realized the ranger is, but it at least helps in making the class features functional

[@Tusitala1967]

@@FromMan2Monkey That's where my head was with it. Essentially: How can I salvage this and make it interesting...

[@aishaali9771]

Timestamp?

[@Tusitala1967]

@@aishaali9771 37:00

[@hobbyspotnz2833]

Also on conjure animals spell I was gutted more so for the nerf from a roll play puzzle solving perspective. Nothing I loved more than summoning a giant constrictor and using it as a ladder to scale a high wall or a rhino as a battering ram for a wagon. The combat situation was messy granted with the wolves and that but I would like to see a 3rd or 4th level spell where you can summon 1-2 CR 1/2 creatures.

[@theresnoracelikegnome]

In addition to better defence, ranged characters also tend to do more damage than shows up on a white board, because they’re much more likely to be able to find a target every turn.

[@brianj.841]

Agreed, "You can run but you'll only die tired." You can't disengage from a bow (or spell).

[@scottmuhlestein8865]

The Dungeon Dudes were mirrored from their normal positions, normally Kelly is on left and Monty is on right, and the audio was not spatially lining up. for example, Kelly shows up on the right side of the screen, but the audio is coming from the left and Monty comes from the right but shows up on the left on their screen.

[@rayindc2074]

You should call this the Bless show since you're adding a d4.

[@christopherauvenshine2092]

Hunters mark should have been tied to Subclass. Every subclass has a variation on the spell to make it unique.

[@zero11010]

Rogue casts EXTRA sneaky attack. It’s very effective.

[@_mosscat]

I'll do you one better, rangers should get a second mini-subclass like the warlocks used to get with pact boons, each with their own hunter's mark variant

[@amithemuffinman]

The hunter, more or less, should've been the base ranger class

[@NovelVanguard]

They definitely were switched at the start until I realized the camera was flipped

[@bobnewkirk7003]

Not just at the start. They stayed swapped for me the whole time. Kelly might have fixed it after they started, but it probably needed a reload.

[@Lmwpitt]

The "...and we are the dungeon dudes" always gets me :')

[@yanac13]

I love every collaboration you guys do. The vibes are always immaculate to me ❤ my favorite breakdown channels 😊

[@Wintermute909]

Totally agree! It's like finding a safe harbour in the middle the hurricane that is the rest of youtube!

[@alstaniforth]

I kind of wish they’d just taken the bonuses to attributes out of either species OR backgrounds. Just make whatever attributes you use (standard array, point buy or dice rolls) and then add +2/+1 or +1/+1/+1 to wherever you like once you’re done. That way people could choose more flavourful backgrounds for their character, whatever species they liked and their core stats wouldn’t suffer.

[@arcturuslight_]

After tasha disconnected those from race, i was fully expecting them to get rid of these ability bonuses completely in 2024 and just increase the numbers you get in standard array/point buy accordingly.

[@brilobox2]

Or…just make a custom origin.

[@alstaniforth]

@@brilobox2 yes but... 1. Your DM might not allow it, it's always better to have better rules. 2. I actually like not *all* of a background being optimised. Attributes are so important it feels wrong not to optimise them but proficiencies that fit a theme can be a nice extra bonus and character point.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

It's bizarre to see background choice no longer based upon flavor and roleplay. After all the talk about making species a flavor choice they actually gave less options for power gamers.

[@AndrewThoesen]

34:45 is where the Ranger discussion begins

[@BlackShardStudio]

Not all heroes wear capes

[@jamesknapp64]

For Edge Lord Kelly and D6 show.

[@biodude15]

There are 20 3-stat combinations, and with 16 backgrounds Im pleased to see none double up. But the ones not covered are str con int, str con cha, str wis cha, and dex int cha.

[@GoldfishEmpire]

STR CON CHA is a big RIP for paladins.

[@AnaseSkyrider]

​​@@GoldfishEmpire It's +2 and +1, or three +1. So unless you wanted to do three +1s, you're either sitting at 15 CON or you're sitting at 15 CHA, so you just find a background that has STR and CON or STR and CHA. The third stat doesn't matter.

[@GoldfishEmpire]

@@AnaseSkyrider Without a background that gives STR CON CHA, it's not possible to start with 16s in each stat using point buy.

[@AnaseSkyrider]

@@GoldfishEmpire It was only possible using point-buy if you had +1s. The cap is 15. Three +1s isn't generally standard. You want 17 STR so that your next feat hits 18.

[@brilobox2]

So make a custom origin.

[@fuzzydragon]

Biggest sub.Class snub is without a doubt and unequivocally. The circle of the shepherd druid, Which mechanically is totally incompatible now with 5.24

[@arthurmarques6191]

11:30 "5th edition is out for a long time. A decade. That's enough time to see what was working, what was not working...." stares at the Ranger

[@Cheddarcheesemonkey]

About the topple mastery and knocking people prone: it's worth remembering that it's only useful for melee fighters, which may often be only one person in the party. All the ranged attackers might be getting screwed over by you knocking an enemy prone

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Thanks Monty, Kelly, and Colby.

[@daneroberts1996]

I just love listening to these guys chat mechanics to each other, I would listen to a podcast of this

[@bobnewkirk7003]

In thinking about Colby wanting to put Fighter 1 on every class I think I it found a background feature to make it make sense: The thing that we as a modern culture are lacking in our identity is a sense of "National Identity". In most fantasy settings the world exists at a medieval or feudal level of advancement and during those time periods population centers (Nations/Kingdom/City-states) would develop their own identify based on the local geography and their inhabitants interactions with it. Population centers in the mountains would have plentiful access to ore so they might become a hub for Smiting or jewelry making. Likewise Port towns would likely have multiple cultures interacting so merchants may be multi-lingual and populations might have segregated neighborhoods by origin. The last and most noteworthy distinction for this discussion would be having a Cultural Center for a specific class as the centerpiece of the Population center. Its not uncommon for Population centers to be built up around a Coliseum or School of Magic, so in those instances I think most everyone in there would start out life with aspirations to "make it big" in their "National Class". Simply building into your character backstory that you grew up in the shadow of a Coliseum might be enough justification to say that you started out Fighter then discovered your main class after you worked your way out of those Spartan conditions; "it was just a part of life there, everyone learned how to fight".

[@Logan0503]

While you’re still using 2014 rules twinned Enlarge/Reduce is pretty fun. The extra d4 damage works with both melee and ranged attacks, so it’s a fun damage boost with no severe issues caused by losing concentration.

[@Tanglangfa]

Hunter’s Mark progressively lowering the crit threshold is the best idea. Doing 1d6 is great, but the chance to crit on a 19, 18, 17, 16 (one bump per tier) sounds WAY more fun. I would finally play a ranger. They’re just kind of dull as-is and have been since 5e.

[@Tanglangfa]

@@voodoophil vanilla is the right word. A mediocre archer with some mediocre spells and a tiny drop of flavor. Gloom stalker is interesting but that’s about it.

[@adambielen8996]

Yeah, Rangers have almost no unique features and abilities. Which just makes them seem bland.

[@jameslafollette7932]

39:12 I did this with my spell less ranger rework and it works really well. You can custom tailor your hunter's mark (called Quarry) to fit your build. A swarmkeeper might want to be able to reduce a creatures speed by 10 ft and be able to target multiple creatures with just one use of HM to further control the battlefield with their swarm. A Gloomstalker might want to lean into an expanded critical strike range and increasing size of the damage die to make the most out of the first round of combat. Its a cool system if I do say so myself

[@adambielen8996]

I'm not against Rangers having spells, but it is certainly a crutch used by WotC.

[@jameslafollette7932]

@@adambielen8996 I'm not opposed to rangers having spells either. It doesn't fit within my fantasy but I can get around that. I just hate when class-defining abilities are tied to spell slots. Why is my core feature tied to spell slot progression when my spell slot progression is half that of a full caster? Its so easy for a bard, sorcerer, or warlock to dip paladin for divine smite now.

[@Grorl]

I love the idea of being a "sword saint" kind of character and flavoring those smites as different arts for your strikes. Kinda like ruroni kenshin style sword techniques.

[@jedwilson1233]

Didn't catch if it was answered in the video, but all I want you to know is whether or not when a creature fails its saving throw against an unarmed strike made to grapple or shove, does it count as getting hit with the unarmed strike?

[@TheMasterblah]

No. You're either swapping a melee attack for a grapple, or you are using a feature that lets you attack AND grapple in the same action. So you could roll to hit, deal damage if you hit, and then make them grapple save or you can just make them grapple save. A grapple failed save does not cause damage by itself outside of specific circumstances. *edit* The grappler feat actually requires your unarmed strike to hit to activate the grapple save on the same attack.

[@mrthor8273]

Smite was nerfed hard. Paladin is still great, but requiring all of the smites to be an actual spell hurts. Just limiting smite to one per round would be enough.

[@utopia2112]

The image of Monty and Kelly laying on their bellies on a big hotel bed with their feet kicking in the air excitedly gossiping about the new PH totally made me smile.

[@utopia2112]

I hope fuzzy slippers were involved too 🤣

[@waitthatsillegal.7552]

52:35 There are two more defining features for Paladins: Lay on hands and Find Steed. Lay on Hands is a great way to to burst heal someone, Paladins should be support and tanks first and foremost. Also, not taking Find Steed in 2014 rules was a harshly suboptimal decision, which is why I appreciate WotC's decision to include it at 5th level.

[@theresnoracelikegnome]

The other reason to move ability scores to backgrounds is a meta one. It simply spreads out meaningful bonuses to different choices, so you can mix and match more.

[@bradleyhurley6755]

My one attempt at making a character so far, it was so aggravating making a character. I'm making a warlock and I was like, guess he is going to be an Entertainer. Why, that gives me Charisma as an option and musician is a decent feat. Merchant or Wayfarer would have been other options with the lucky feat. But every Warlock I make would have one of those three feats. Backgrounds really need to give only tool proficiencies and skills. Ability scores and feats should just be options you choose. Granted I"m not a fan of backgrounds to begin with because I think they are restrictive and try to force a character to be a specific way when it makes no sense for your character idea.

[@TheFootballstar5588]

Monk is basically forced into sailor which is lame

[@bradleyhurley6755]

@@TheFootballstar5588 All those former sailors ending up into a monastery

[@jiiaga5017]

Hunter's mark fix is so easy. Rangers always cast it at max ranger spellcasting level with their free uses, and give Hunter's Mark Bestow Curse's upcast progression. Then at least the Ranger specifically doesn't have to concentrate on it.

[@cdfreester]

Tasha's optional ability for Rangers of Favored Foe vs Favored Enemy was great. I would have kept that (Concentration or not) and just increased the damage by 1 die level (d6 instead of d4, d8 instead of d6, etc.). That would have been a decent and easy fix, but WotC continues to avoid doing the needful and obvious.

[@АлександрСудаков-с2и]

But is it that different from current free Hunter's mark castings by that point?

[@SoloDiggity]

That feature is terrible and way worse than the current hunters mark. Did you forget favored foe was only once per turn?

[@brandoncurtis1636]

@@SoloDiggityIt’s not terrible if you’re playing Drakewarden or Beast Master; in those instances it actually is less clunky than using HM

[@SoloDiggity]

@@brandoncurtis1636 the only positive it had over hunters Mark was not expending a spell slot and not costing a bonus action. Now that HM can be cast without a spell slot it's way better than Favored Foe, the bonus action tax is worth the far better damage.

[@cdfreester]

@@SoloDiggity Sort of. We house-ruled it to be # of times = proficiency bonus, recharge after a long rest.

[@nintendolegoboy]

Thanks for the Toronto LGS shoutouts! Didn't know the stores other than 401 existed. ❤

[@BeanzimusPrime]

I hear all of Kelly’s points about bringing Paladins in line, but I still think that they could have made smite once a turn, pick from divine smite or your prepared smites on a hit, and it would have been perfect. The bonus action really, really is damning.

[@kingp2272]

Where is the love button for this. Absolutely love a d6 collab of any possible kind =))

[@EmeraldUsakaze]

The subclasses I'm sad didn't make it to reprint are Conjuration Wizard, and easily the one I wanted a redesign of the most: the Arcane Archer fighter. I definitely would have liked some Conjuration perks that make the summon spells actually *feel* like summons, not just 'magic shaped like summons'. I actually liked the older Conjure (X) Elemental spells, even though I saw their flaws, and I just always want more archer support that aren't crossbows.

[@aidandunne5978]

Gotta start this: Best subclasses by Class from New PHB only: Barbarian: World Tree Bard: Valor Cleric: Light Druid: Moon Fighter: Eldritch Knight Monk: Warrior of Elements Paladin: Vengeance Ranger: Fey wanderer Rogue: Soul Knife Warlock: Fiend Sorcerer: Clockwork Soul Wizard: Diviner My opinion and for context, at my table, we like to use our skills and generally have either no combat or long combat days.

[@Myllorelion]

You forgot Paladin: Vengeance. Lol

[@aidandunne5978]

@@Myllorelion Ah, yes, I'll edit that, thanks

[@Eagle52525]

Monty, I love your hunters, Marc suggestion mark! That’s an excellent observation. Paladins get various types of smites give Ranger various types of marks. That’s beautiful.

[@luidprand]

Regarding d20 Modern: I literally was running beta test sessions for Sub Rosa, my Urban Fantasy 5th edition scenario at DragonCon last weekend. Not only can you email spells, but sufficiently complex computers can run cast rituals and there was an internet journalist who used her camera drones as quasi-familiars. A good time was had by all.

[@irakhlin]

It's interesting how AL differs by region. In AL near me, it's very common to see Simulacrums at AL tables. Just thought I'd share.

[@Darmblaster1]

About Paladin and BA Smite. That's your option to TWF and PAM. Otherwise it's the only option and got also stronger. Now you can do a lot of different Pallys with different uses for their BA. And as you said Colby you do want to play them and they are still strong or even stronger.

[@garion046]

The spirit guardians move cheese is made much, much worse by having the Monk grapple the Cleric and move them around as well. Especially once they can do it at FULL SPEED

[@Wintermute909]

@ 0:41 "can you hear me, can you see me. You're fit to work. Can you hear me, can......"

[@dominicpalladini7290]

Nicely done again to the dungeon dudes and D4. I was listening while I was working today, good entertainement!

[@HoopstaYT]

Y'all sleeping on the Dance Bard! I'm gonna be RPing my ass off on the dance floor!

[@christiangex2055]

Excellent discussions. Thanks to all.

[@mattdahm4289]

I’m on board for an all monk vid- thanks dudes and Colby! ❤

[@bartconnolly6104]

Colbe probably the best walk through of Pathfinder online. Covers a lot in about 1 hr.

[@BeanzimusPrime]

I think I would rather have seen any sorcerer subclass than clockwork and aberrant? We got them in Tasha’s which is so recent that it didn’t really need an update. Strap them to the new sorcerer chassis and they’re practically the same as they were. Rework storm and maybe clean up shadow and that’d be great.

[@arkham7033]

I love the smite change. The Paladin was overshadowing the other martials because of its intrinsically high damage without any action economy.

[@MrSpectralfire]

For topple weapons my table is rolling two d20’s. One is our attack and the other is the enemy’s roll for the topple. It will make it go faster.

[@hadeszero4526]

OMG Colby you genius. A spirit guardians gnome in his monk wife's backpack cruising through the battlefield ❤🎉

[@jcelam2567]

Watching the video back, surprised no one brought up Bastions and how you all might implement them in to your games. I know a lot of past book settings don't offer a lot of down time. One thing I've done is realize that the friends my players have made could be molded into a bastion setting for each.

[@brilobox2]

Probably because a lot of Bastion interaction mechanics are in the new DMG

[@seanwhite4837]

Glad to catch some of this in England.

[@joshuatran6526]

The idea of multiple types of hunters mark makes sense since the Ranger is the foil of the paladin. While the paladin gains new ways to inflict the strongest single strike possible, rangers should be improving on their damage over time effects

[@zacharywalls1531]

I think people are frustrated/disappointed in the Ranger (myself included) is that (1) we saw every other class get a significant boost and not a “lateral fart sideways and (2) we were told that this would be “a whole new class” and it was “totally revised and updated” just to then get farted on.

[@apjapki]

Rogues, Paladins and Wizards were also only laterally improved. Rangers just complain the most.

[@DJcs187]

Rogues definitely are better off ​@@apjapki

[@apjapki]

@@DJcs187 As are Rangers.

[@apjapki]

@@DJcs187 Well not Gloomstalkers...but that's pretty justified. 2014 Gloomstalker is nuts at low levels.

[@arthurmarques6191]

classic over promise and under deliver WoTC move.

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Actually down for a 2 hour podcast on the monk.

[@arthurmarques6191]

44:45 The problem with bonus action smite is that it is a design "anti-pattern" 5e is getting full of them: they tell you what a thing is and then use it as either something else or as something that overrules it.

[@christophertherians2243]

On the archery/melee debete i like the pathfinder fix (that was the 3rd edition rule) you simply use dex for attack rolls, but always use strenght for damage on all attacks. Dex gives initative, AC, and a common saving throw, Being also able to use it for damage is what creates the issue.

[@robbiesrevelations3096]

Honestly I wish they just designed the conjure spells around certain CRs and just giving you creatures that you can choose. Only ones that it mentions. Like Bear, Spider, Giant Eagle, and Giant Hyena Upcasted, you get CR 2s. And so on. Just make it like you get 2 of whatever

[@alexbien8638]

Love this team up! Two of my fav DnD creators. ❤

[@Aichi1138]

1:09:46 EXCUSE YOU i know he has problems but Batman is still an example of a vengance paladin who can be wholesome. Being there to comfort a scared child. Being unreconcirably angry at the greed and corruption and evil in the world that pushes people to spreading hurt and sufforing to so many more, Yet practically pleading with every punch for those causing the hurt to pick a different path Its not easy to strike the right balance but Wholesome vengancw can be done

[@deamon506]

1:36:00 a book of BBEGs would actually be incredible if you could limit the humanoids

[@YellowCable]

1:18:30 the necromancer is sorely missing from the new PHB and would definitely benefit from some revamp and love to make it more unique. Maybe it is coming in future content.

[@davidsmathers408]

I also would love to see you all solve the mystery behind this place. When and if you get permission to come back and solve that given answers to the unknown and possibly free those trapped spirts

[@apjapki]

When Monty broke out the phrase "Biological Essentialism" I wanted to stand up and clap. Well said sir!

[@shadedfang]

I’m so confused about the bonus action for a smite. Because it’s technically a spell now right? And you can only cast one leveled spell a turn. So. It’s still only once without the bonus action isn’t it?

[@MaMastoast]

absoutely. The bonus action is prolly just there because the smite spells already required a bonus action and they wanted to streamline divine smite with them. Wish they had simply made them all not require a bonus action though

[@kevinkissick8136]

Question ?????? The idea had about different kinds of hunters marks ??? Is that something might think of for future book? Could be a feat ?? Or a special kind of ranger subclass ??

[@Jarvolo27]

So them janking up divine smite is good because some people complain that they only use spell slots to smite? Which is a choice to use your smite slots for spells, definitely a take I highly disagree with as someone who played paladin alot and did use spells.

[@peaches3835]

If we apply the same logic to spirit guardians to moonbeam, we have a very nice spell on our hands. It can move 60ft and deals damage when the spell enters their space… even if it’s a 60ft straight line that’s pretty damn good. But it doesn’t actually specify it needs to move in a straight line so could possibly get all creatures on the battlefield

[@YellowCable]

27:00 this is spot on. Chris is great and loves wizards, but he is off the mark here. Wizard is stronger only for broken spells that arrive too late and shouldn't be there anyway. Sorcerer just got too much. For the evoker specifically, other than some niche blaster plus summoner build, sorcerer can do the same and better. For the most part there is no reason other than nostalgia to play wizard now.

[@nm2358]

I'll probably disagree with the dudes on the more diverse Paladin. 2024 Divine Smite feels a lot like 2014 PHB Brutal Critical, lol. Basically to-go damage choice will be using Extra-Damage continuous spells to stack on your attacks, and if you crit, you smite. If the goal is to make multiclassing "worse" 2024 PHB falls flat on its face when they remove the spell-slot cap on Divine Smite to just make it ostensibly better multiclassing than on pure Paladin. If a 2014 17th level Paladin did a bunch of damage on a demon / fiend, great, that's like their entire purpose in a nutshell, smite evil, which your holy zealot warrior ought to be doing. Divine Smite feels like a trap spell that is 1 damage die too short of being worth using and that feels bad; the "Paladin's Smite" is a passing gas Ribbon feature after level 3 that just gets worse as you gain levels - I'd love it if the change to Divine Smite actually resulted into something like Devotion's level 15 feature (except EARLIER) that did something more specific for Smite - but they seemed to abandon that idea / concept when they dropped shared spell lists / unified class progression... resulting in a bunch of very samy 2014 Paladin subclasses with slightly better channel divinities (or worse in Glory's case) and that's kinda sad. Divine Favor being the way it id feels like they really didn't want Paladins to bother using Divine Smite at all tbh.

[@jeffbinning1244]

If WotC's next "Tasha's fix" for Ranger (which is, of course, already indicative of how poorly they've repeatedly implemented this class mechanically)... if their next fix isn't a complete overhaul that ACTUALLY creates a "whole new class".... I'm just giving up on Ranger for good. I won't play them, & I won't even watch videos by content creators regarding Rangers. They had 10 years. And they also had 50 years of history over 5+ editions. They had 3rd party content and homebrews to look at. And this is what we got. Idc if the Ranger is "playable." Idc if the Ranger is "powerful". It's boring. It's terrible. It's own mechanics play against each other. Compared to the sheer glut of very powerful & useful features that the Paladin gets... this is embarrassing. Also, when JC said in the video that "magic is important to the Ranger" (or something to that effect), but then followed up by telling us how Hunter & Beast Master are the "less magical subclass options" that don't have additional spells known lists. Just bad. Really, really, really bad. And they tried to tell us that it's good 🤦‍♂️ At least have some self awareness.

[@apjapki]

There are so many abilities that used to only work on melee that now work on any attack, I think ranged attacks are going to be underrated.

[@TRosati26]

Kelly and Monty panned left and right in my headphones is WILD! 😂

[@robbiesrevelations3096]

Thanks for giving me a new way to design Hunters Mark. Also Paladin isn't bad, but I like to use all my features and it make a difference. Not that if I don’t use a feature, it's the same

[@jiiaga5017]

Ranged damage dealers, assuming your DM will allow different types of ammunition, have added flexibility that melee fighters don't have. Arrows soaked in holy water, fire arrows, magical ammunition, silver and other special materials.

[@Myllorelion]

1:20:00 I think the biggest snubs that weren't standalone powerful subclasses, is probably Divine Soul/Shadow Sorcerers. They took an easy way out and just decided to throw the two most powerful subclasses from I think Tashas in because they didn't need to fix or tune them. But Screw Clockwork and whatever the other one was, they didn't fit in well thematically to the 4 imo.

[@hadeszero4526]

feels like the general complaint is nothing should require a bonus action or use concentration. If you're martial.

[@relmdrifter]

Interesting take on multiclassing. Haven’t played much dnd, but my characters tend to style and bio some kind of multi class to rogue. I’m sure there are a lot of good options out there to fit in one class. It’s all fun so doesn’t matter if I’m a “bad build”

[@hobbyspotnz2833]

RE: Ranger discussion I've been playing a Ranger for 3 years now and I think what they possibly should have looked at was removing hunters Mark as a spell and tied it in as a second level feature that has uses tied to proficiency and you can gain half uses back on a short rest. Keep the concentration on it but you gain another feature at 5th level which means you can use it without concentration. That way it stops multi class dips but means that your character like others really come online at level 5. Like you guys said at later levels the damage dice might increase or you could have elemental effects like fire arrows or flaming blades ect. It's OK to Base a class around that abillity just has to be not tied to Spells.

[@Paradukes]

A really cynical part of me thinks that the reason they haven't included custom backgrounds as a default option is so that they can sell more of them later without them seeming redundant. Yes, they'll probably make an option to customise them on D&D beyond eventually, but they might well make it just annoying enough that you'd want to just take a premade one just to avoid the hassle...

[@DJcs187]

They ARE supposed to be in the 2024 DMG

[@jamespreston7823]

01:23:00 reminds me of Joe Fox : _I said we were a goddamn piazza_ ! _A place in the city where people can mingle and mix and_ *_be_* ... _I was_ *_ELOQUENT_* ... $H1T !

[@badmojo0777]

picked up my ALT COVER fomr the Dragons Hoard in Greensboro NC today! BUY LOCAL when you can people!

[@matthewlaird5235]

Awesome!!!

[@apjapki]

You can tell from the 2014 Palladin Spell list that you were only ever designed to Smite. Every other spell is concentration.

[@justinchrstnsn]

I ask you, will you please put this audio on as a pod cast I would love to listen to it. Please

[@rc7771]

Subclass I miss most: Tempest Cleric

[@damedley75]

54:00 I'm with Monty. The game is made worse, not better, by the obsessive multi-class optimizing. What percentage of multi-classing is done for role play reasons? Almost none.

[@MaMastoast]

A lot of multiclassing is done to reach a specific type of character which doesnt fit into the mold of one of the predefined classes. In that sense, Id say plenty of multiclassing is done partially due to RP

[@damedley75]

@MaMastoast Maybe you're in a different crowd than me. I'm used to players sticking with a class for the color and RP reasons or multiclassing strictly for optimization, and tacking on some RP. But there are exceptions of course.

[@MD-zi9if]

I love that Colby has a Dungeon Dudes t-shirt 😅

[@gregevans4126]

Yes! I am not a fan of Artificer, Warforged (robot) and fire arms. I am so right there with you Monte! I am glad stuff like that is there for people whom like it, but it breaks out of the medieval fantasy. This is where I really like the Alchemist Class that Dungeon Dudes created. It opens the door to "technology", but keeps it within medieval fantasy. For an example, I really do appreciate people trying to make a Steampunk version of D&D. Still to really make the work, it should be it's own separate thing with it's own classes and sub classes, etc. Then, there I am all for fire arms, Warforged, Artificer type classes. There they should have more Artificer type classes.

[@arcanerecovery2567]

Did anyone spot the (minor?) buff to the Rogue's Cunning Action feature?

[@danjbundrick]

The fact that you have to have a degree in IT to get your computer to capture audio from a device and send it to all of the relevant applications really makes me think that online meeting software has a long road to move forward technologically.

[@bobbyLNZ]

Star wars 5e does their backgrounds pretty good to where you have a small list of fades you can choose from that is linked to your background instead of just one

[@shoulung6203]

RE: race and scores; I would be fine with races having increased maximums for specific abilities. 20 is considered maximum human potential (used to be 18) and other races should have ability maximums reflecting how they are different as part of their class identity. Between background and ability score increases can reach 20, but it’s not guaranteed. Building the difference reflects a character identity that won’t impact much of your primary play zones. For higher levels, epic feats obviates character maximums up to 30, so it’s something that will rarely come into play while still adding flavor.

[@DungeonDudes]

I don’t hate this idea. Saying that orcs can reach a 25 strength, while gnomes can reach a 25 intelligence does little to stop you from playing the character you want to play, while still adding to the identity. I don’t hate this idea. Neat!

[@keelanthingy]

Would armour of agathys stack with the new moon druid gaining temp hp seems like a scary combo if it does

[@arcturuslight_]

as written it does

[@brilobox2]

Both temp hp sources, so probably not.

[@arcturuslight_]

@@brilobox2 The hit points don't stack, but when the thp given by agathys get overwritten by the bigger pool of moon, agathys keeps working and dealing damage.

[@nickmillar999]

I’m a little sad to see the Undead Warlock and Grave Cleric didn’t make the cut, I feel like those are so on theme and were also really unique & viable subclasses

[@emulationemperor8924]

A Sorcerer Paladin is the combination I want to play the most. 2 levels of Paladin and the rest sorcerer. So the majority of the time, I'm just doing sorcerer things. Firebolts, burning hands, and Fly. But once in a while, break out the sword, go super saiyan, cast hold monster, and then auto crit with a smite. So while the nerfs to the paladin are a little disheartening, the removal spell slot cap for smite has me very excited. Optimal? Definitely not. A 7th level spell slot would be better spent doing almost anything else. But guaranteeing a crit to deal 16d8 just sounds fun.

[@fatewalker]

1:20:47 the Artificer does not change dnd.... #Urza

[@crazydeadperson]

What gets me is guns are now in the phb. So no longer optional content locked in the dungeon masters guide. But artificer isnt there ridiculous

[@fatewalker]

@crazydeadperson right!!! I got into DnD through Magic The Gathering, where Artificers are common place in a fantasy setting. They're not new to DnD either looking at you, Rock Gnome. They're in the Forgotten Realms, Ebberon, Dragonlance, and others, Im sure. Ebberon probably leans more into Sci-Fi fantasy than others, but I don't understand why some are against the class. It's OK for a Rock Gnome to Create Constructs, but there can't be Artificers??