Making Tin Bronze. DIY bronze. Classic bronze

[@bigstackD]

Damn matey that bar is friggen awesome sensational colour 🤘🏻👍🏻

[@DuralMetalurg]

Agree buddy! Colour is really good. In addition, you saw how good it looks where I cut that bar. The only thing that it's very soft but for making "weapon" we have aluminum bronze 😉

[@knifeyonline]

I think jewellers use this, zinc added to classic bronze (copper tin), and call it white bronze. They keep the same ratio of tin but less copper. looks so good...

[@DuralMetalurg]

Well, there are different ways to get white bronze. I've made one based on lead. There is a video on my channel.

[@knifeyonline]

@@DuralMetalurg do people want to wear jeweellery made of lead? I thought it would be poisonous

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@knifeyonline Oh, of course not. Such bronze was used for some kind of bearings.

[@jsollien127]

I think this is the composition of gunmetal. And some say orichalcum is pretty similar too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunmetal en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum

[@E2292-u5b]

Great video! Thank you for sharing :) the finished work looks great.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you

[@pyrogunner]

That’s C903 naval gun bronze used for making cannon barrels. Where can you get cheap tin? It’s outrageous online.

[@DuralMetalurg]

It depend on where you are. In some countries it's cheaper and in others not.

[@MisterBath]

You did a really good job in my opinion, thank you for the lesson!

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you for watching ;)

[@Helium._]

It looks so cool!

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks. I agree. It's a little bit soft comparing to aluminum bronze but except this it's really good!

[@gabrielb.4673]

Good job my man

[@awldune]

Looks good :) Shame you dont have a lathe to clean up those rods. How does the hardness of Aluminum bronze compare to tin bronze? (How much harder)

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks. Yeah, it's good to have right tools and equipment at home :) Good question buddy. Difference between tin bronze and aluminum bronze is huge. 14.4 HRC vs 24.8 HRC. Aluminum bronze is about 40% harder than tin bronze. Though I assume aluminum bronze is much more brittle. P.S. After a couple of other bronzes there will be video where I'm going to compare hardness of different bronzes.

[@awldune]

Wow that is huge! I always assumed regular bronze was reasonably hard... they used to make swords out of it, right?

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@awldune Right! Though before bronze humans used copper for the same purpose. When you don't have a choice you'll use the best you can. I assume that time tin bronze could be a little bit softer or harder. It could depend because of the region and some other factors. I mean people couldn't get pure metals. That's why their tin bronze contained lead, antimony and other metals. Now even at home we can get much better bronze then people could thousand years ago 😉

[@underdogmelting6058]

Very cool getting into casting my self and metal melting wish i had discovered this years ago very cool hobby and of can make few £££ in process im just wsnt to rnjoy melting stuff lol

[@ofensofficial]

Imagine how hard it was for people in the Bronze Age to find tin and copper. They must have been on some wild hunts for scrap metal back then....

[@DuralMetalurg]

For sure. Bronze dominated for a long time after it was discovered. I have videos where I made swords. Really strong and hard material. Can compete with not only iron but cheap steel as well.

[@jamiehughes5573]

Alot of tin was mined primarily in Cornwell during the bronze age and thus the supply was relatively limited

[@nikthetrickster9948]

Commerce made it way easier

[@romeo6048]

With time and oxidization, does the color get darker than aluminum bronze? Which patina looks better in your opinion?

[@DuralMetalurg]

I haven't seen these ingots for a while. Hopefully will be able to see them sometime in 2022 :) I feel like tin bronze should be darker after oxidation but will know for sure a little bit later

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Me, a Minecraft Tekkit, Forestry, tinkers construct, and Mekanism enthusiast: *MMMMYes.... Quite* 🧐

[@DrGeorgiy]

...И хоть сразу заправляй прутки в токарный станок и точи втулки для подшипников скольжения... ... And it will be possible to insert these rods into a lathe and produce bushings for plain bearings ...

[@DuralMetalurg]

Да. На удивление часто довольно таки качественные заготовки получаются.

[@SilverSpur1]

Would you consider making CuSn8 tin bronze again, but with added 1,5-4% germanium, and see wether the addition of germanium made it stainless? I brought bronze to watchmaking, and I am very curious if this would create the first stainless tin bronze alloy...

[@SilverSpur1]

no zinc! just 88% Copper, 8% Tin, and some 4 % Germanium

[@DuralMetalurg]

Well all bronze has a corrosion resistance. Some types are more resistant and other are a little bit less

[@Black-Heart_X3]

Hey there, so I’ve been trying to make bronze and the last three attempts have failed. After I cast the bronze, copper and tin only, the metal comes out too brittle. I hammer it and it shatters like hard sand. Any suggestions?

[@DuralMetalurg]

I haven`t tried hammer it but if you reduce the amount of tin it might help. Though of course it will make it softer. The other option is to add some other metals. For instance, aluminum.

[@nealmcb]

Cool - thanks! What are you heating it with and in?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you. As a fuel I use charcoal + coal and air is supplied by an old vacuum cleaner ;)

[@PatrickWilson-v3d]

Gday I’m from down under 🇦🇺👍 I’m Finishing up a 9 to 5 Job after 10 years of caring full time and offering my home to care for this BEAUTIFUL GENTLEMAN WITH INTERLECTUAL DISABILITY. IVE SUPPORTED HIM FOR 10 years but as everything in life it’s time for some a chance to make it MY WAY. I can a good Future casting items similar to yourself. I hope it’s cool that I kinda use some of your ideas but I’d never EVER COPY YOUR GREAT WORK. I’m starting from scratch in 3 to 4 month’s and hoping to make a basic but ok lifestyle at this new project. I’ll be sure to follow your advice and look forward to checking in with future updates. Thank you for giving me the idea and possible chance at making some ok money. I just at this stage wish to put the most basic of food on the table but also make objects of our ancestors to encourage people to make it a talking point of how our ancestors survived and lived every day life in their time periods. All the best. Paddy Western Australia.👍👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺❤️❤️❤️

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hello Patrick. Thank you for your comment. It's really nice to know that my hobby inspired someone. It's very interesting thing to do and it's an art in a way. I had to put this hobby on a pause after I moved to Canada from Ukraine in 2017. If I have a place where to do this I will definitely return to casting. I also got some books about sculpture a while ago, so wouldn't mind to try that as well. You can see on my channel how a started this from my first attempts to my last videos. What I can say is if you have some issues in the beginning it's ok, it's how it should be. Don't be disappointed and be safe of course. Safety is number 1 when you work with 1000-1400 C. If you have any question don't hesitate to ask. I'll be happy to help. We chatted in the past with BigstackD from Australia a lot. You probably know his channel. While I was away from my hobby his channel grew up a lot. From the number of his views i think he is doing very well financially though I don't know if he left his main job. Thanks

[@365travels3]

Can i make bronze utensils with this bronze

[@DuralMetalurg]

Theoretically you can, though you need to be 100% sure that there are no metals like, for example, lead. Lead or other poisonous metals can be in many alloys. I wouldn't recommend it in DIY projects using multiple alloys

[@ralphmourik]

I did not know Zinc was a part of Bronze, or is that just something you added? I'm new to metal casting so learing a lot from ppl who have been doing this longer, been stalking bigD down here for over 2 years now 😂 , anyway, your furnace looks awesome! and the bronze came out very nice 👍👍👍

[@jagboy69]

Copper + Zinc = BRASS, Copper + tin = silicon bronze, Copper + Zinc + Tin = shit.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks Ralph. :) No, that's not my idea. I've made tin bronze C90300. You can check chemical composition of copper alloys on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copper_alloys Zinc is used in most bronzes. Less or more. The only difference between bronze and brass is that in brass the containment of zinc is the second after copper. Usually about 20-40%. In bronze it's usually much less. Though according the link I gave you they called the bronze even the copper alloy which contains 39.5% of zinc which should be called brass :) Well, personally I don't like to use zinc because it's burning very quickly and its fumes are poison. I just wanted to make the bronze which really exist. To make it as close to original as possible. BigstackD makes cool stuff :) and he's got a lot of experience within these years. P.S. This is how I've made my furnace if you're interested: kzbin.info/aero/PL57cNG0BwE7ogbi5pBunwyCbzk6zT10Tm Good luck in melting and casting :)

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@jagboy69 Actually, it's called tin bronze C90300 but anyone has the right for his own opinion :) I think it's not as bad. At least not a shit :) Beautiful colour, easy to melt and cast.

[@jagboy69]

@@DuralMetalurg Sure, if you are making gears and bushings. It's not used for artwork. It's application is for HIGH WEARING parts. You planning on making it into something that spins or casting it into a youtube sword?

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@jagboy69 I have no idea what is youtube sword :) For swords I used aluminum bronze. I see no issues to use it for art. For art you need only corrosion resistance if that thing will be used outside. In all other cases requirements for art should be lower.

[@Bronzehandicraftvietnam]

Hello, we are from Vietnam and have the same job as you. We look forward to working with you

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Nice. Well, it was a hobby for me, not a work. I really liked it ;)

[@diablominero]

Maybe some flux would reduce the zinc burning?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Unfortunately it won't. In iron works where special and stainless steel are produced they use inert gases to prevent molten metal contacting oxygen

[@giorgiodemare4457]

great video. do you know where I can buy pure tin?.

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks :) In my case in Ukraine I've found an online shop which sells different metals. The only thing be sure that there is no lead mixed with tin because usually it's not pure ;)

[@giorgiodemare4457]

@@DuralMetalurg can you give me the link to the online metal shop? I would like to check the prices

[@psi9000]

giorgio de mare rotometals.com, literally sells every metal used in video.

[@sacksonjam]

@@giorgiodemare4457 o a @aa0Q1q1qqq1Z

[@knifeyonline]

@@sacksonjam I would ask at a place that buys scrap metal, they will probably sell it to you

[@dizzolve]

5:18 wow that looks gnarly. I hope you left it like this

[@Garlan4]

do you use coal furnace or gas ?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Charcoal, coal and coke

[@SilverSpur1]

nice colours

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks. I agree

[@NoahBuie]

Very beautiful

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you

[@aaronrheams2920]

Yes, it's beautiful, but don't do this with zinc. Metal fume fever (brass shakes, zinc shakes) got its name from what he just did. That plume of smoke will have you laid flat and writhing in agony within a few hours. A few people have even died from it (like Jim Wilson).

[@DuralMetalurg]

I know about that and I always stay on well ventilated area and on some distance from the fumes. I also read that there is no temporary negative effect from zinc fumes. At least all research showed that. Ancient bronze for instance contained arsenic and yes that thing killed people very quickly. Fumes of lead is poisonous as well but for that you need to boil lead not just to melt it.

[@aaronrheams2920]

@@DuralMetalurg I'm sure you know what you are doing, but with all the comments from how many people want to do this, I figured it appropriate to mention so someone doesn't stick their head in that plume. I assume you meant to say no permanent effect from zinc fumes, and while true with the exception of a fatal dose, metal fume fever is a miserable experience, with zinc being the most common agent. I get good results from 90-10 copper to aluminum by weight, with negligible risk. In fact, my aluminum comes from pre-melted cans (dross removed), and I still get a tough and beautiful golden alloy. It's not classic bronze, but it works for knife components, like guards and pommels.

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@aaronrheams2920 Sure. Safety first! I don't recommend to breath anything except pure air but if it's well ventilated area, you have the distance from the metal fumes and quantity is small than their should be no troubles ;) Most of zinc is burning out so not to much benefits from using anyway

[@malikdespanie4344]

Just plain ol' tin + copper got it!

[@kapilankapilan1410]

What materials to melt....???

[@DuralMetalurg]

Do you mean how to get metal scrap? It depends... Usually some things are made of aluminum, others are made of bronze. But you need always need to check that. If you ask about the recipe than I say about that in the beginning of the video and in the description

[@rufustoad1]

how do you tell if it is zinc?

[@DuralMetalurg]

You can see that when you see yellow fumes when it burns during melting

[@siddheshsuryavanshi202]

When u added tin and zink

[@DuralMetalurg]

Siddhesh Suryavanshi When copper is malted it's time to add tin. It will melt very quckly. Well, actually immediately. So, right after that I add zinc. We want to make it fast and prevent from burning out.

[@siddheshsuryavanshi202]

@@DuralMetalurg thank you Actually i need to add zink in brass melting so i want to know right time of adding zink to get maximun zink recovery .

[@DuralMetalurg]

Siddhesh Suryavanshi The best time is just before casting. Just mix it and it'll be fine

[@siddheshsuryavanshi202]

@@DuralMetalurg thank you

[@dizzolve]

how did you source your zinc

[@DuralMetalurg]

Back in the day a lot of stuff in Ukraine were made of zinc. I just used some scrap I had in stock.

[@christopherskipp1525]

Why are you using zinc?

[@DuralMetalurg]

Because it was in the original formula for this bronze grade

[@christopherskipp1525]

@@DuralMetalurg OK, thank you.

[@DuralMetalurg]

@@christopherskipp1525 You're welcome

[@ReadwithChimey]

Hi, do you think you can please make me a few dinner plates of 12 inches in diameter with an inch in height with 78% copper and 22% tin? This is a very serious inquiry. Of course I'll pay. Thank you kindly🙏🏼

[@DuralMetalurg]

Hi. Thanks for your inquiry. I'm pleased to know that my hobby is interesting for many people. I haven't commercialize my hobby yet. It's actually currently oh hold. I'll return to it in the future but not very soon.

[@ReadwithChimey]

@@DuralMetalurg No problem. Thank you for your honest response. Thank you 🙏🏼. All the best to you in whatever you do. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@alokpandey9532]

they make bronze dinnerware with 78:22 ratio

[@MrLukealbanese]

I love your channel!!!

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thank you. I really appreciate that. I'm gonna make some interesting casting in the summer. If I succeed it should be cool

[@smudgepost]

Looks like Silicon bronze with the amount of zinc in it

[@DuralMetalurg]

How can it be Silicon bronze if there is no Silicon??? Please type or copy/paste "List of copper alloys" in google. On Wikipedia page choose "Chemical composition of copper alloys" and there Tin bronze CDA 903, CDA905 , CDA 907!!!! That's basic things that are really easy to find.

[@ChickenPermissionOG]

you are boiling your materials away melt the tin and zinc first and let the copper dissolve into it.

[@doomslayer4341]

That's more like brass bronze if there is such a thing but its not classic bronze

[@DuralMetalurg]

Nope. It is classic/traditional bronze :)

[@doomslayer4341]

@@DuralMetalurg no classic bronze is 2 pound's of copper 1ounce of Tin

[@doomslayer4341]

@@DuralMetalurg you don't need zinc

[@ajmetalcasting791]

Make phosphorus bronze. 👷

[@DuralMetalurg]

Thanks for your proposal. I have a lot of ideas, so when I return into casting I may do that ;)

[@ajmetalcasting791]

@@DuralMetalurg ok

[@dci118]

Ну а процесс сам покажи

[@DuralMetalurg]

Все на відео є. Який ще процесс треба? Конкретизуй

[@Huntrezz]

Alien very love copper 😏😏😏😏 in matter fact they consider it as we human use iron to make various of products 😏😏😏

[@DuralMetalurg]

Sure, though I`ve heard that they value much more kryptonite :)

[@Huntrezz]

@@DuralMetalurg yeah although kryptonite is just like our plutonium substitute for them 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jupiter_ios]

thats brass

[@DuralMetalurg]

Please type or copy/paste "List of copper alloys" in google. On Wikipedia page choose "Chemical composition of copper alloys" and there Tin bronze CDA 903, CDA905 , CDA 907!!!! That's basic things that are really easy to find. I explained people that 2x2 is 4 many times but I still get such statements.

[@ahmedbader8410]

Brass not bronze The color will be red.

[@DuralMetalurg]

No. You're wrong. You can find my explanation in one of the comments