Duskmourn UPGRADED Commander Precons | Zimone VS Winter VS Aminatou VS Valgavoth

[@ishtarsdonut4489]

A mythical 4 sol ring game 😮

[@casperpedersen223]

The tales are true!

[@TheKirbyT]

In the words of Syndrome, if everyone has a sol ring, no one does.

[@madquest8]

It's called pre stacking your deck with 'lazy' shuffling. No way that happens normally.

[@primeascendant797]

​@madquest8 Yeah, when someone doesn't sufficiently randomize their deck, huge red flag. If someone doesn't care about properly randomizing their deck, then they don't care about playing fair games. Every player should pile shuffle their deck once when they bring it out for the session as gesture of good faith.

[@koba163]

Jan missed the landfall trigger due to Ashya being put into play. Each creature becomes a land, which then triggers landfall. The game was spicy, tho. Loved it.

[@MVMNTCam]

Did you listen to the end of the video

[@AZDfox]

I'm shocked you didn't add Nesting Ground to the Winter upgrade. Moving your finality counters onto your opponent's creatures would be great. It was the first upgrade I thought of.

[@toms1782]

Oh, solid idea!

[@AZDfox]

@@toms1782 yep. That way, their stuff gets exiled instead of yours

[@jimstewart4929]

It came up for the mirko upgrades too. I think if they're limiting the number of cards going in instead of the cost of those cards, skipping a nonbasic Land in favor of more splashy thematic cards likely makes more sense.

[@Nemhain26]

I recently did this with Mirko deck and it's such a fun card. Incidentally, it won me the game because it moved a loyalty counter leftover after Promise of Loyalty. But moving my finality I'd soooo cool

[@taylorlovell3072]

"shocked"? My brother in Urza, Nesting Grounds is a good add for the deck but I think you need to raise the bar for what generates shock within you.

[@Aldrnari956]

This channel has quickly become one of the best gameplay channels out there. Keep up the good work, Spikes.

[@devinkerr5474]

I think Spike Feeders really scratch my commander and cEDH itch. Even playing complex formats or deck lists, everything feels followable, and the quips are always wonderful.

[@Helixcards]

jan actually had a really good loop as the lands he returns with yedora can be flipped face up so the spellsnatcher would have been able to counter one spell a turn. also the spell snatcher says that the spells are free so there wasnt really much reason to not play the stuff he countered.

[@jimstewart4929]

This deck also has an infinite combo with yedora, zimone, and sakura-tribe Elder, effectively manifesting dread once and putting every basic from your deck onto the battlefield. What's crazy is I don't think it's even correct to do it all at once in this precon, because you want a consistent 2 lands per turn to cheat the costs on your manifests.

[@marcup1584]

Yeah the deck just got a little too big brained by the end there. You need to really have goldfished those scenarios a few times to be able to resolve it effectively. My main reason for not liking face down decks honestly.

[@davidhower7095]

Yedora is insane. That’s why we love them. I LIVE for facedown jank

[@giovannishepard653]

@@jimstewart4929 It's actually even better than that, because you can sac the Steve on every turn to manifest. So if you want big mana you can just tutor all your basics, or you can manifest and flip 4 times a round for free.

[@TheLifeofRylee]

​​@@jimstewart4929If you refuse to find your basics from library, I think this let's you tap the face down forest (STE) while the flip is on the stack, once per loop. This gets you infinite green mana on demand.

[@AncientJerks]

When I saw one of the cards removed from Endless Punishment was Rakdos Charm my first immediate thought was "Now watch as you die to token swarm"

[@joedoe7572]

24:14 wasn't Rendmaw in the list of cards that were taken out of the deck? See 3:51

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Rendmaw is so powerful it made its way back in unbeknownst to anyone.

[@PhantomFate]

Ikr

[@nonameputs]

Came to the comments for that exact reason

[@babaXIII]

I was legit upset they'd removed it, so I was glad when I saw it, then it got countered, fml.

[@DranzerXIII]

Turns out if you like this video you too will get turn 1 Sol Ring in -your- next commander game!

[@nathanielreichley4640]

Remember when Madison said "solid as a rock" in the recording? Me too, every time hahaha love her

[@camoyuki]

20:49 somehow every game of Duskmourn commander precons I have seen so far, the landfall player has gotten Ashaya at some point, which makes the deck go crazy

[@taylorjohnson5148]

Rendmaw was taken out but he makes an appearance! How mysterious and spooky

[@Redwd-CROW]

Love the gameplay , love how you guys do things here. It’s nice to learn the game of magic while watching you guys play, I really appreciate how you guys explain things and speak about the moves you make. Keep up the great content.

[@dantothex13]

Those upkeep triggers were SOLID AS A ROCK!

[@surakarus]

Hi Jerry! Nice to see you!

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@dovakhiin4]

​@@jerry32123 Great game Jerry! Love your humor. That coaching bit at the end was hysterical! 😂😂 Good to see you getting some gameplay in! Winter seems really fun, kinda like the Murders at Markov dimir deck but with green instead of blue.

[@MH-ss2dn]

Since Ashya was in I think they missed a lot of landfall triggers when cloaked/manifested creatures entered.

[@dirtybeagles1502]

best commander videos there is! love the games. easy to follow and does not take an hour to watch.

[@casperpedersen223]

Hi Jerry! That did look like a mentally draining amount of triggers mahgawd! Fun game to watch though. Thanks for all you guys/gals do!

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@matthewdrolet185]

Glad I caught this right as I went for my lunch break, always fun seeing your precon upgrade videos

[@Nslygh1213]

I love Yedora so much. She creates some really cool interaction in your deck if you plan around her.

[@gunterlauch2241]

Jan missed a lot of triggers because any creature that enters is also a Forest so Tatyova Triggers and Zimone triggers. But hey complicated board state so understandable.😅

[@baltazarquiroz2047]

2 things, landfall is a deck of all time and ashaya meant that every moroph and manifest could have flipped themselves up, since they enter as non creature, fair play to try to keep triggers in mind but god is that a boardstate i would burn it

[@161HB]

Nothing to see here. Allready figured it out by myself.

[@ronaldgamache5532]

Was ready to say that Ashaya only turns non tokens into land before I checked to see that the manifests are non token. Good call, what a bonkers interaction!

[@PartTimeEuphoRia]

Not killing the Sheoldred and some of Jans board with the ping triggers was... a choice, definitely

[@Foede]

Hi Jerry! it is nice to see you! :)

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@jonathonskogman8337]

I love how winter is subtlety a good insect commander lol

[@mbeining11]

Jump Scare impresses me everytime I see it in action... Great games

[@AvatarKira]

Crazy how Jerry's turn 1 land would have completely changed all the following turns since he wouldn't have been able to do any of the things he actually did. Granted, he could've gotten a swamp with the Elder instead of a forest, but not until turn 3.

[@WiLDRAGE777]

Just Jerry doing Jerry things! Love the entire cast and this is one of the best EDH channels around.

[@soseies802]

Jerry always brings best fun to the rounds. Love it!

[@damaddhadder4071]

Jerry with a little bit of Johnny! Love it!

[@lesliebowden1237]

22:48 I wish the appreciated Jerry’s Johnny Cash reference

[@YamsAllDay]

Love to see the solid as a rock entrance again

[@JhonFrancioli]

I did not knew your channel, you guys are great! Loved the gameplay, thanks for the content!

[@Trebuchetboy]

Copper Tablet should have gone in the Valgavoth deck would have been 10/10

[@Rouricht]

I put one in mine and it's amazing! :D

[@Jarvis_Moonbeam]

I'm surprised by the cutting of the Ancient Cellarspawn as it's the card I was most excited for from that deck.

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Hi Jerry! There were so many triggers this game, I have a feeling Alex wasn't exaggerating about the 5 minutes resolving triggers.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We made our editor work hard this episode. :)

[@TheGrifcannon22]

@@TheSpikeFeeders poor Phil, I hope he got his share of Burrito Splendito.

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@larrysellers9204]

The jump scare precon is ridiculously good. Just simic doing simic things

[@SwagMaster824]

I feel like Alex’s miracle enchantments deck is the weakest one and the other 3 are actually insane in their own right.

[@jojobetzler3732]

​@@SwagMaster824 The enchantment deck hasn´t any oppressive win con in it. The commander is just delivering the miracle base, there are not many winning creatures and they are all bad if you don´t miracle into them and the rest of the gameplan is a stackish control plan, which only works with certain creatures and enchantments. Shark Typhoon is too expensive, Entreat the Angels is only good in late game (and still too expensive) and Inkshield is a comeback threat only, if your opponents are already able to kill you. I think the commander is awesome for building an own higher power deck but it´s bad as a precon commander on preconish power levels.

[@DeWillpower]

i realised only today that the burrito sponsor is a real sponsor XD i thought it was just a generic thank you without any real contractual implication

[@Regeroth]

just 1 question, if all your creatures are a land beocuse ashaya, whenever you put a facedaw card shouldnt it triggers your commander? ohh i didnt reach yert the part when you realizes that, i didnt say anything xD

[@IceBen4444]

I'm still sitting here fuming that it isn't only the second landfall :D

[@dragonslayer9081]

Question about what was taken out if not rendmaw since you casted it at 24:17

[@PhalanxLord]

Funny thing is, Jerry misplaying Tainted Wood was essentially purely a disadvantage. He could have played the artifact land turn 1, turn 2 tainted wood, sol ring and Steve, and gotten a swamp, and then nothing would have changed apart from Jerry having more life.

[@lelandwhitehead56]

@@PhalanxLord something pretty big happened: it grew Madison’s commander a few times.

[@Tyabann]

I have made that same mistake with Tainted lands multiple times their formatting is super close to the pain lands, so if you aren't looking closely and you know you have both in your deck, well...

[@maxscott2770]

I feel like hex parasite would have been a perfect include for the golgari deck cheap easy repeatable way to remove finality counters

[@lledy]

Great video! Good to see Jerry again too ^_^ No worries about the Tainted Wood - things happen!

[@chazzer5968]

SOLID AS A ROCK

[@jdcommander7026]

Jan's reaction at 40:14 is perfect.

[@SamErvin]

22:50 I appreciate your Johnny Cash reference Jerry!

[@emporiumofcuriosity]

These decks are fantastic!! Can’t tell if I want Lord of Pain or Aminatou 🤔

[@MissLeafi]

I love a good underdog win. Everyone seemed so strong and impossible to deal with except for Jerry who mostly played support for Maddy and struggled with his Delirium and then he was the only one left because the remaining ones got greedy haha Super sad to not having seen Rendmaw in action though!

[@Maecii]

feels weird to see the guy win who plays tainted woods as an llanowar wastes all the time and not having a second black source until turn 7. And in the intro you said Rendmaw was cutted and in turn 6 it got played. things happened there :S

[@bartobär1991]

I don't expect anyone to play perfectly, but that Tainted Wood mix up was nagging me really hard. 😬

[@Maecii]

@@bartobär1991 mistakes happen and all together it was still a nice match to watch but this mistake lead to several illegal moves and something in me has a problem with it. Lets just pretend this tainted woods was a Proxy for llanowar wastes

[@KeianLocke]

it was nice to see the miracle worker deck doing things lol. i gotta make sure to take note of those upgrades!

[@jonanderson2632]

Best commander show. Thanks @mtg for giving early access to this channel so we can see how these decks play. Also hi Jerry and do you really cultivate soybeans? I must know!

[@Swim2TheMoon11]

First time watcher, very much enjoyed this! And just realized you guys are also in Winnipeg. 🤩

[@ishtarsdonut4489]

Rendmaw was marked as a cut from Winter, but ended up being played in the game?

[@aidenspicciatie5834]

That is so hilarious because I had a game with tainted wood and I did the same exact thing and took a damage every time I wanted a colored mana until I realized like 6 turns in lmao

[@MrJuzam]

I was wondering why Maddy wasn't killing the dude that makes forest of Jan's dying creatures with Kaervek

[@SpringDryad]

Always a great game when it looks like anyone can win towards the end.

[@NicholasRomano-ko8te]

I just caught that more than once Jerry used Tainted Woods for black taking 1 damage instead of having a swamp and making black with it.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We had a comment about this before the game started. 😊

[@andristic]

8:38 it's cute when Alex makes dog noises

[@lelandwhitehead56]

If my amateur math is correct, 4 turn 1 sol rings is somewhere in the neighborhood of a 1 in 25,000 chance. Math for nerds: Hypergeometric calc says 1 card in opening hand+draw is 8.08% 0.0808^4=0.0000426231402496

[@tehkolo]

Don't forget the free mulligan

[@joedoe7572]

@alex 23:26 possible missed Aminatou trigger? And if you hadn't cast Commander Sphere, you would have had three untapped mana to be able to cast it if it was an enchantment with mana value 7 or less. Do you remember if it was? I'm curious

[@alexmcgregor8658]

It wasn't

[@joedoe7572]

​@@alexmcgregor8658thanks for the reply!

[@Halinn]

I think the Zimone deck could use a sac outlet, for Yedora combo

[@alexrogall4543]

As a little side note question with,,, the creature that makes your guys lands when they enter do they still trigger landfall. Is when I noticed in the long chain of effects I'm upkeep

[@philbrake7525]

Quick question about priority; Shouldn't Jerry's Sheoldred's sacrifice at upkeep happen before Maddy's Mogis' sacrifice, after Maddy's turns, since he would have priority?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

APNAP order always makes the player furthest from starting their turn resolve their triggers first. - Alex

[@philbrake7525]

@@TheSpikeFeeders Ohhhhh very interesting. Good to know. Thanks a ton!

[@andristic]

hey i noticed that Jerry took a damage every time he taped his golgari land but it doesn't say to take damage. sometimes i notice things like that, nothing gets by me

[@m.rosebarlow7699]

The mystery of queso will never be unraveled

[@frozezo1565]

Hey jerry!! Hit'em with that POWER!!!

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@ImpossibilitySpace]

I like that this game starts on turn 3.

[@MrQvid]

HI jerry nice that you are here!

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@TheBigPenguu]

No joke, the Simic precon just feels like they let a rabid Simic player go ham while building the deck.

[@Nslygh1213]

Hi Jerry. 👋

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@vincentaponte5726]

Going into Jan's turn 2. After seeing his first spell... "Now we are pod racing!" 😂

[@Foolery99]

I would love to see some of the alternate commanders, especially Lord of Pain

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

One of our upcoming games is an alt commanders brews episode

[@Adyum]

I'm curious if the removal of counterspells in most of these precons is because they don't fit or a concession to keeping an interesting recorded game. I know a lot of Commander players find it unexciting to see a big play get countered.

[@buddbenner7427]

Jan would have had 5 extra life due to the missed ashaya being a land when it enters and 4 triggers before he noticed the triggers putting him at 11 when one with the multiverse is cast

[@WayneyMTG]

A splendido game, great upgrades 👌🏼

[@Rococorico]

Maybe someday some brilliant mind will manage to perfectly navigate Zimone + Ashaya + Yedora boardstates. Any free sac outlet turns it into an at-will Landfall loop at instant speed??

[@anthonyi8484]

3:53 says you took reakmaw out but you play it later in the game?

[@MentallyLatent]

Where is copper tablet in the Rakdos deck????

[@ike2783]

Haha it boggles my mind that Tatyova lived as long as she did, she's always a kill-on-site card for my playgroup

[@abrahamwilliams2280]

I think its bonkers that ahaya, and yidaro is an infinite combo in a precon. Also it did not matter that tainted wood does not work that way. I am not that into horror movies myself but the set does look interesting. Zimone is cracked.

[@unfrogettable9495]

Where did you guys get those sweet dice and finality counters?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We sell the dice on our website! spikefeeders.com/shop :)

[@Dagoofygooober]

Question: How was maddy able to sacrifice her persistent constrictor? And can she keep sacrificing it until it gets below zero?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Persistent Constrictor has Persist, so when it dies if it doesn't have a -1/-1 counter, it comes back into play with a -1/-1 counter on it. I sacrificed it once and it came back with a counter, then the second time I sacrificed it to Jerry's Sheoldred trigger, it did not come back. The persist wouldn't have triggered again because it died with that counter on it, but if I had a way to remove the counter with the sac trigger on the stack, then I could keep sacrificing it maybe forever. :D - Maddy

[@Dagoofygooober]

@@TheSpikeFeeders How did you sacrifice it the first time? I didn't notice a trigger from another card. I'm probably missing something, but don't you need some type of ability or spell to willingly sacrifice creatures? I do appreciate you responding!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Sheoldred, 16:10 it comes into play, 16:33 i go to my upkeep and sacrifice it for the first time to Jerry's Sheoldred trigger (at the beginning of each opponents upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature). I hope that helps! :)

[@matthewjones5648]

You guys are Collecting Sol rings like infinity stones hahah

[@TaylorTyme4Lyfe]

Hi Jerry! I think you played real good.

[@jerry32123]

Hello! Thanks!

[@lelandwhitehead56]

Hi Jerry, hope you're doing well.

[@jerry32123]

Hello, thanks I hope you’re doing well as well!

[@ignacioalmonacid6153]

Hi Jerry! (you could use it). I really enjoy all the gameplay and deck techs, keep it up guys! Love the content!

[@jerry32123]

Hello!

[@ignacioalmonacid6153]

@@jerry32123 How you doing man? Good to see you play! Keep it up!

[@Natedogg2]

You know you're in for a game when half of each player's turn is spent during their upkeep.

[@TheRDRipley]

Just realized how good winter and zimone would be together. Zimone let's you flip things and mill to help delirium and winter helps return things that you mill.

[@Tyabann]

you know what would be really good for that Rakdos deck? Copper Tablet

[@MrErnestotote]

Sending my best wishes for Jim!

[@Srodi]

I though that with Ashaya on the table, creatures entering would trigger landfall. It's not the case ?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

It is very much the case! I just missed it a bunch! -Jan

[@BsRascaL]

You guys are awesome

[@rawallace36]

While i have already upgraded a third of the Death Toll precon, so its obviously way more efficient, its still so painful to see this Death Toll activate delirium (and barely at that) for the first time only on turn 6. GY should already be a comprehensive "hand extension" by at least Turn 4..

[@camoyuki]

I'm surprised Ephara, God of the Polis wasn't included in the Aminatou upgrades. It counts as an enchantment for the miracle and other enchantment stuff, and it draws you a card outside of your own turn for another chance at a miracle. Erebos, Bleak Hearted kind of work the same way, they draw just isn't as consistent I think.

[@purpleslushie]

Stepping on the gas with those sol rings

[@Dirtycook0430]

I think he made too many angels with that spell. Since XX was only paid into with 4 mana he should have only made 2 right?? Or am I wrong?

[@eDOTrekt]

That was a clutch Inkshield

[@redasbini1013]

alex' shirt is veeery cool

[@seanhardner5842]

Alex with Inkshield Again! Never didn’t have it. 😀

[@crovax1375]

Honorary Llanowar Waste is pretty sweet!