UPGRADED Bloomburrow Commander Precon Gameplay | Ms. Bumbleflower VS Bello VS Zinnia VS Hazel

[@zd-1249]

I love that you all narrate the game as you play. I like to listen without having to watch sometimes and it’s easy to keep track of what’s happening.

[@blakesteele1761]

Yeah I’m just getting into MTG and trying to learn. It’s so helpful for the explanations instead of having to pause every 5 seconds with almost every other channel I try to watch.

[@BJUPIN0002]

These guys are absolutely the bar in which all content streamers are trying to reach. I've been around to remember the last time Elliot won a die roll...they've always worked very hard to put out fantastic content.

[@austinwhitbeck3362]

Definitely a big upside to their gameplay videos. Love listening while doing chores or working in something for this very reason!

[@gnomersy1087]

Every upgrade I've seen of Bumbleflower: "I see card draw for other people ... let's just sprinkle in a Narset real quick."

[@amarauk9687]

And that's because you can't run notion thief 😅

[@miekamariehodson1731]

i put in forced fruition to make people deck themselves

[@thegeardude]

I swear Alex can read me a ad for “$500 cold Taco Bell tacos” and I would think “Well hmmm,let me get a look at it.” Dude has a amazing voice

[@woopertrainer]

Hell yeah

[@kevinwestermann1001]

Hell yeah

[@abhi.shook.52]

“Sounds good”

[@markbrierley6367]

Ice cold, you say? Tell me more.

[@GreatGreyShrike]

I think Alex missed every draw-for-player-combat-damage trigger for Bellow's animated artifacts / enchantments, and also neglected to read that part of the card out so might not have been aware it was supposed to happen. Oops. The deck looked real powerful in spite of being down several cards from what it 'should' have been.

[@roberth2833]

He miss played allot. The racoons turns the enchantments and artifacts into 4/4 elementals during the battle phase. So. They would come in with a counter since they aren't creatures when he casts them in his main phase. So, it even out, he didn't draw, yes. But. He also gave extra counters. So. Give and a take lol

[@roberth2833]

I lied. No one reads that commanders text lol

[@Alliancelegacy]

​@@roberth2833 Yup, it's as they enter

[@noahsanchez9985]

When it comes to missing triggers, general rule we use in my playgroup is that if it contains the word “may”, then it’s remains missed and unresolved. If it doesn’t, then by rules of the game, it’s a mandatory trigger. So once the trigger is noticed as being missed, it hits the stack. We would have let Jim’s commander’s end step trigger resolve even if the following player began their turn. Since we’re playing casually after all. 😉

[@connorl0204]

21:11 “nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently intelligent fool” followed by “i know! I work in IT” is certainly a big mood

[@MrSmekldorf]

I’m so incredibly happy to finally see Jim drawing cards from Ms. Bumbleflower. #justiceforjim

[@sparkeon2666]

On Day 1 of the Bloomburrow Spoiler Season i saw on Reddit a Post about "Peace Offerin" with the Title "Is this the worst Precon ever printed?"". Well, from all th Deck Previews i can tell that this one is on the stronger side of the Preconds and with Upgrades it opens the doors to Hell! Awesome

[@like17badgers]

yeah that deck doesnt need much tuning up to be High Power. Ms. Bumbleflower is quietly really good. there's a reason she's the only one out of the precons actually getting some testing in cEDH, which is unheard of for a Politics style commander like this(mostly cause she's in good Stax colors and can kill off a Food Chain loop)

[@williamedge5130]

@@like17badgersyou can also build her pretty well to be a potent counter commander with a bunch of Hardened Scales/Branching Evolution effects

[@ninomusician]

Yeah this deck is amazing.

[@Guevon_Pajaro]

The tool tips under the deck intros are some of my favorite parts of these episodes, and I assume it's always someone witty like editor fil responsible. Major kudos, whoever is doing those, they're hilarious (truly) 😂😂😂

[@alexmcgregor8658]

Thanks! I enjoy doing them and I'm glad you enjoy them!

[@jarodking4831]

Great video gentlemen. Thanks for the shout out

[@stephenlewis6922]

I really like the format of out of the box, Alt commander, upgrades, and Brews for the new sets. It's fun!

[@godhandgames7429]

Hello Alex! As always a great video, I help myself a lot to see what direction I can take with my new Bloomburrow deck. A big hug from the commandeiros of Brazil thank you

[@alexmcgregor8658]

Like this comment to Welcome Aaron back to Canada

[@alexmcgregor8658]

Like this comment if you also noticed I missed drawing from Bello triggers.

[@sandoga]

Hey Alex!!

[@enoesiw]

Like this comment if you think​@@alexmcgregor8658 is still cool even if he missed triggers

[@TK-zd7ym]

Please tell me Alex is like a sports caster or some sort of fight announcer. Dude has a voice and talent for it!

[@alexmcgregor8658]

Nah, I work in IT. Jobs like that are even more competitive than acting roles most of the time.

[@joedoe7572]

​@@alexmcgregor8658you could announce for a sports team at night, or something, if you're not on call for IT

[@CodenameJD]

This game reaffirming that Bello is really cool and, in addition to mindless violence, can also get some really cool shenanigans with stuff being creatures. But, I think it also makes a case that Perch Protection might be the coolest card in the set. Gifting a turn but making yourself mostly immune to what happens during it whilst preparing an army to help close the game out after is seriously cool.

[@kilianlang3316]

More like the worst designed. It's peak kingmaking

[@joedoe7572]

​@@kilianlang3316well, it didn't kingmake this game

[@JAV_AC]

I love seeing Grumgully supporting and staying in the battlefield up until the end, go goblins!!

[@wilsonwailord3704]

Love watching Alex in this, I hope we get a dragon precon again soon and he’ll wear this shirt again for it!

[@PirateNori]

Gifting second place is an insane card effect

[@Dclem742]

Big oof here; Alex missed ALL his Bello triggers. Reading the card explains the card ;)

[@joedoe7572]

And this is why I like the upgraded videos. Wow. Everyone went off

[@Xalyn937]

I love these decks, the upgrades make it much better.

[@stephenlewis6922]

Aaron is just getting a burrito; he is totally fine...🌯

[@toe-furs.8288]

Oh my goodness these dang cards are just too cute. Can’t wait to get my mits on dem.

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

You put Time Bomb in from Ice Age, love it!

[@remedie7739]

Love the videos. One thing I would prefer though is if you guys would use diff dice colors for +1/+1 counters and the amount of tokens/creatures. I think Jim actually did this in this game. But the dice still werent the same color.

[@brycemattson4913]

I love bello so much haha. Warstorm Surge is my favorite card, and I just love big enchantments, but usually you can’t put many in your deck

[@judgemoffatt4326]

Would love to see a 'pre-con upgrade' series from you guys! Just going over quick upgrades that can make the deck go into certain lines.

[@cobaltbeau]

16:05 Panharmonicon is actually even better than bill thought it was. Offspring is an etb ability, so that gets doubled, too. Shoulda gotten an extra offspring and two extra spirits. ignore me pls

[@ShellShockOne]

No he knows, that's why he put it in. Panharmonicon had been destroyed by this point 13:21

[@cobaltbeau]

@@ShellShockOne i'm a silly silly goose

[@stevolam182]

You guys are awesome. Well deserved sub

[@lukastrucka9447]

21:35 I´m yelling Gavin ! at my screen :) who´s idea was this card? god damn it , this is memeception

[@AStormbl3ssed]

YEEEESSS been waiting for the next one of these!

[@Nephalem2002]

All really good Precons if you know what your doing or can figure out what your doing. Never played a Squirrels/Aritocrats deck like the Golgari one but I did pretty well with it and enjoyed how it played.

[@Pancorania]

Question, at the end there, wouldn't the elephant from 'generous gift' have triggered warstorm surge, meaning Alex could've killer Ms. Bumbleflower and not died?

[@Iam_Stu]

Bumbleflower was at 11 toughness but he probably could have shot a flyer. Which would bring the damage down to 13, but if Jan had any other instant he could get it back to lethal. EDIT: I think the generous gift was played precombat so really Jan would have just needed any other spell at all in hand to pump back up to lethal precombat. And he had a grip full of cards that he could play for free.

[@PhantomFate]

Omg I think you're right That's crazy!

[@Zachs]

Jim missed some good endstep triggers with some of his squirrels, he couldve gone SOOO wide with that deck.

[@toucan4547]

the thumbnail makes it look like the first two blokes fused into the third

[@Doug464]

I decided to do my own little upgrades to the gruul enchantment deck since I just got it today. One of the things I've dropped in? Bramble Soverign. Nothing quite like doubling up on enchantments I really shouldn't have extra of right? The deck's sweet though and I look forward to tweaking and messing with it more!

[@Kaneo_3987]

Great content!

[@abmis510]

Hey Alex just to let you know I jumped through time and yes you did indeed find an out…😂😂😂

[@MentallyLatent]

Almost

[@AntonioBaker-q4o]

Alex deserves to do pro tour coverage

[@cireegdoh]

You all make me happy. That's is, that's the comment. :)

[@Aeonblade10]

Grabbing Bello myself when the set is out. I don't like that the precon itself is very unfocused, but even if they don't work, I need some of the reprints for other decks.

[@crovax1375]

Offspring also works Evoke. So, I wonder if Evoke creatures with Zinnia would be efficient with token doubling effects

[@like17badgers]

yep! one of the early discussions around Zinnia was Evoke Solitude, Offspring 2 giving you two StPs and a 1/1 lifelink(that could then be Populated or whatever) the other early convo was cheap clones like Phantasmal Image giving you two copies for 3U

[@PhantomFate]

1:35 Bello, Bard of the Brambles Bello, Bard of the Brambles Bello, Bard of the Brambles Bello, Bard of the Brambles Bello, Bard of the Brambles

[@alexmcgregor8658]

A type is not a say, but fine

[@cloudedbug30]

What a game! At first I wanted to scream at Jan for giving Alex the extra turn, but then he played the Perch Protection and got him to kill everyone else.

[@taylorjohnson5148]

With this set I feel like I’ll make a deck with Hazel and Camellia. One seems food and squirrel focused and the other seems token focused with big spell payoffs. At first camellia was going to be squirrel kindred but I realized you really need food and not all squirrels make food 😢. Anyways, looking forward to see how you all built hazel and ms bumbleflower

[@Jisko888]

Good to know there was only one Explore in the deck!

[@Xylak]

I feel like Helm of the Host could be good in Hazel, but it might draw in a lot of hate because it'll make exponential tokens if you can copy Hazel. Unless I'm reading it wrong.

[@cryoboy]

Noob question: how come the enchantments and artifacts entering while Bello is in play are triggering themselves? Wouldn't the effects only become active after they ETBed? Does that mean for example a 4/4 creature that reads "when a creature with power 4 enters you draw a card" would let you draw a card by itself when you cast it?

[@sunshaker]

They enter AS creatures so they trigger creature based etb effects. And yes, that would mean you draw off those enchantments!

[@Tyabann]

I think it's because Bello says "is" rather than "becomes"

[@Sheer_Falacy]

This works for the same reason that creatures with “when this card enters the battlefield do something” work.

[@markbrierley6367]

Many things that would normally trigger themselves are worded specifically so they don't. Bello's animating ability is a static ability, meaning it's always just on. So when the non-creature spell resolves and hits the board it is immediately a creature too. I do this often in my monoG legends deck. Ashaya + Baru, Fist of Krosa means every creature entering causes Baru to trigger since he triggers on Forests and Ashaya says every creature is a Forest. Baru even triggers from himself in that instance.

[@Saint0fPain]

Bring back the bastion 100+ XL boxes! Please. :)

[@richardfrench7205]

Man that squire+ beat is in my head all day. Can we get a link to the artist or song?

[@velozmachine]

at 13:24 Alex's first enchantment elemental creature shouldn't have died because it was indestructible, also one of Jim's saprolings had summoning sickness and shouldn't have been able to attack at 24:40

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

You're right about the saprolings. Bello's ability only functions on it's controller's turn.

[@m.rosebarlow7699]

hey Spikes, come to California and eat all the fresh guacamole you want! It's delicious and we grow avocados here! Mmmmm, guac.

[@Dekaar]

So regarding Zinnia... Personally I see that this deck has it's calling at being an aggressive aggro deck. I believe cards like Looter il Kor or shoreline looter are massive value for the deck if you offspring them. Additionally to that I'd use evasive beaters that grow on their own while being cost efficient to offspring them (Ledger shredder) - or simply add the most oppressive card for this deck Nesting Dovehawk - offspring it, go exponentially out of control due to it's populate - I mean.... you get a 5/5, a 3/3, a 2/2 and a 1/1 for 6 mana.... which all will grow by at least +4/+4 in the turn they can attack (then +8/+8, +16/+16 and so on)

[@markbrierley6367]

I've been in love with Nesting Dovehawk since I saw someone make a token copy of it and went nuts. You're absolutely right; this is the deck for it.

[@NateFinch]

Note that the token dovehawks see themselves enter the battlefield, so they immediately become at least a 2/2.

[@NateFinch]

Jim's personal Panharmonicon from pizza hut is my favorite comment.

[@Peter_Larsen]

When Bill Rapid Hybridization’s the Mangara, Blood Artist should have triggered

[@tristanvanhelden1437]

Jim missed a few triggers I think for others creatures. I think he thought it was only his creatures that triggered it

[@Shinyrocky69879]

Wouldn't Alex of also had a possible 5/5 etb for warstorm surge at the end with double damage to live?

[@taylorjohnson5148]

100% adding exsanguinate to my hazel deck. Not torment of hail fire though lol

[@maidonopai]

i actualy like those deckboxes but i have gamegenic now and need space for dice😅

[@Galadrimmo]

Tamiyo!! 😮

[@traceharrison9864]

Alex sounds like the dirty jobs guy.

[@AJANI97]

With Panharmonicon on the field: when you pay for the offspring cost on cast does that mean that you still only get one token copy or does the resolution of the effect trigger when the creature Enters and you therefore get 2 token copies? Thanks in advance (didn’t watch the full episode only the intro with upgrades rn)

[@seandabomb]

Zinnia's reminder text for offspring says: "You may pay an additional (2) as you cast a creature spell. If you do, when that creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it." So you are correct, creating the token is a ETB trigger that Panharmonicon doubles (without having to pay an additional (2) for the second trigger).

[@AJANI97]

@@seandabomb I assumed it but wanted to be sure by pulling up this chat when someone starts questioning this interaction :D

[@lihailaowai1381]

Yay another SF video woooo

[@disposableheero]

Can't have Alex being depressed.

[@jarvvoitlus9458]

Bello really wants Molten Echoes and the new Echoing Assault. Double dip on those artifacts and enchantments!

[@Sheer_Falacy]

The echoing assault tokens even get to be 4/4s if they’re 4cmc enchantments or artifacts, that’s fun.

[@rileyloux1491]

Another fantastic include for the Hazel deck would be Beledros Witherbloom. Fills a similar role to the tendershoot dryad but can net a lot of life and give you a pseudo second turn. With as much mana you were generating it would have been a non-issue to spend a couple extra to play out the giant elder dragon. Plus a flying blocker was very clearly needed in that game.

[@peytoncampbell1636]

he comes in the precon

[@quayo90]

Am I going to trust Canadian burritos 🧐😂

[@nerdherdbase]

I have to ask, why time bomb in the Bello's upgrade?

[@markbrierley6367]

Praying the game goes long? There's a lot of questionable changes made here.

[@kstandish42]

You let the FAB guy make the magic upgrades?!?!?

[@DragonAlchemist0]

Jim needs to get his son. He's a Menace.

[@kevinwestermann1001]

Aaron is on a trip to Germany? O:

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

He just got back, but Jim's on his way right now!

[@michaelhussey-fisher8445]

did it

[@thehermit196]

i wonder if anyone else caught the "Two explore" joke

[@jdcommander7026]

Sheesh. "precons" they say

[@dovakhiin4]

Jim keeps missing the first +1/+1 counter from miss Bumbleflower... What the heck bruh!

[@rikley8153]

Weird how npn said zinnia was the strongest, yet I always see it underpreform in matches. Not once was the jeskai precon a real threat or in lead, not even with the upgrades.

[@markbrierley6367]

An increasingly large vigilance and frequently flying commander and it's left home every combat? We know commander damage is a viable wincon, yes?

[@jjcc8379]

Not removing Bello or Gratuitous Violence / Warstorm surge ... welp.

[@like17badgers]

I was kind of iffy on Perch Protection cause Gifting a turn could so easily end the game, but man it's kinda good isnt it? it's the kind of card you want in this type of politics deck, gas someone up so they can take your other opponents out, then finish them off

[@ana-alyciajuarez5958]

When I’m just listening to this, Jan and Jim sound almost indistinguishable

[@WayneyMTG]

Tatsy upgrades

[@rAtfOckEr]

That was neither fast nor correct nor five times. 😂

[@taylorjohnson5148]

Paul bartist mall cartist

[@Stealth_Beard]

Parallel Lives in the Hazel deck?? Literally doubles all tokens you already creating...

[@insanosan]

The Warstorm Surge doesn't trigger itself? it's effect isn't on the field until after the Surge landed. Jim was right to question it. I am a noob though, so please correct me if i'm wrong. Edit... reading the rules... i'm probably wrong. I am wrong.

[@jarvvoitlus9458]

It enters as a creature.

[@myhairismessy3363]

Warstorm Surge would have entered as a creature due to Bello, and thus would have triggered itself.

[@cryoboy]

@@myhairismessy3363 I'm a noob but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. I researched a bit and found a judge ruling for "Uncivil Unrest" (enchantment that lets creatures enter with +1/+1 counter or haste) while Bello is in play and they said it doesn't enter with a counter because the effects on the card are only active after they successfully entered. I asked this question myself and everyone keeps explaining that artifacts/enchantments etb as creatures but that's obvious and not the point, the point is they shouldn't trigger their own effects while they are being cast because those effects are only active AFTER etb.

[@myhairismessy3363]

@@cryoboy Uncivil Unrest’s ability creates a replacement ability that affects how your creatures enter, so it can’t apply to itself because it’s not on the battlefield yet. That is correct and different from Warstorm Surge. Warstorm Surge’s ability triggers whenever a creature you control enters. The moment Warstorm Surge enters while Bello is on the field, Bello’s ability applies and Warstorm Surge is a creature, hence it is able to trigger its etb ability. Here is the relevant ruling and the example stated in the Comprehensive Rules: 603.6b. Continuous effects that modify characteristics of a permanent do so the moment the permanent is on the battlefield (and not before then). The permanent is never on the battlefield with its unmodified characteristics. Continuous effects don't apply before the permanent is on the battlefield, however (see rule 603.6d). Example: If an effect reads "All lands are creatures" and a land card is played, the effect makes the land card into a creature the moment it enters the battlefield, so it would trigger abilities that trigger when a creature enters the battlefield. Conversely, if an effect reads "All creatures lose all abilities" and a creature card with an enters-the-battlefield triggered ability enters the battlefield, that effect will cause it to lose its abilities the moment it enters the battlefield, so the enters-the-battlefield ability won't trigger.

[@thatstreamingguy4327]

I feel like narset ends up being a nerf because you have cards in there that get stronger the more they draw like hoof or the enchantment where it gives counters for each person that drew with it then your creatures enter with those counters afterwards.

[@voidprism_studios666]

Threefold thunder hulk and mirror march for panda? Also dockside for zinnia? Consecrated sphinx, smothering tithe for offspring? These are all great adds

[@legruntdu94]

I'm just at the intro but quick feedback : Your whole screen is not used, why cover the mana value and P/T of in and out cards when showing previews of changes in the deck T_T

[@noahcheng2401]

4 views in 49 seconds huh

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

washed 🙈

[@DeWillpower]

:3

[@TapTwoCounterspell]

Jan is piloting that deck poorly IMO. I imagine he didn't build it?

[@BlackWaltzWaifu]

Like this comment to tnemmoc siht ekiL.

[@AngerTrash]

first!

[@charlied8284]

Not gonna lie, not much of a upgrade video, only a few cards swapped? Still leaving in cards that pull the deck into two different directions? Seems really phoned in and no effort.

[@pluton9987]

Stop removing removals for the precons, it's a bad example for new players

[@lukeyuginovich3962]

Meh think im skipping these decks to diseny for me looking forward to the horror set ☠️👻👽

[@SpringDryad]

The great thing about the variety of sets and different settings: Things for everyone! Especially as they release sets more and more rapidly, it's good to have sets you can skip if you want for the sake of your wallet lol

[@lukeyuginovich3962]

​@SpringDryad I've got 22 decks currently so I need to slow down 😅

[@ryancopley653]

Nope

[@myhairismessy3363]

Very upset that Alex missed every Bello draw trigger. That's the best part of Bello! 🥲🥲