SLIP TEST - Dacia Duster 4WD - gen 3 vs gen 2 vs gen 1 -

[@TomaszPrzemysl]

Zamiast porównywać dd3 1.2 130 4x4 z 2024 z dd2 1.3 150 4x4 z 2023 to wyciągają jakieś stare sierściuchy 1.6, ten motor 1.3 150 to jest bardzo dobry i silny, sam widzę po nim, że śmiga aż miło się przejechać, jego duża moc sprawia, że autu chce się żyć.

[@piotrzurawski4047]

A mnie bardziej interesuje porównanie z 1.6 Duster 2 niż z 1.3 tce

[@sawomirszymczak3750]

Tylko że to jest porównanie napędów 4x4 a nie silników...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@TomaszPrzemysl Abstrahując od tego, że silnik ma tu niewielkie znaczenie, to jeśli masz 1.3 150 4x4 - zapraszam na test. My nie mamy worka z autami, z którego możemy sobie wyciągać co się nam podoba.

[@T.e.d.d.y.]

A do czego ci ta moc tutaj potrzebna?

[@johnny6293]

The second generation is still the best choice in terms of price vs. performance

[@marcobergamin5775]

2nd gen overall is the best, quite impressive considering the price.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@marcobergamin5775 Why do you think that 2nd is the best?

[@marcobergamin5775]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers is not so far from the third gen and it's cheaper.

[@MotorDanko]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers probably because with the 3rd gen you show each mode, but the 2nd gen does not have modes, so its auto or lock... and in the 3rd gen, the modes makes it look slower or sluggish, but is the idea of each mode, to be more inteligent on the force to send power to the other wheels rather than a full lock, or an aggressive lock that can make you lose control.

[@flywalll]

In off-road mode (lock mode) 2nd Gen struggled least of all three to pass the test with only one back wheel in the ground. Software seems slightly improved for 3rd Gen, but nothing major to be seen when compared to 2nd Gen. The extra modes between auto and off-road don't seem to do anything specific in the real-world. Finally, diesel engine in 2nd generation (not shown here) would definately help with the torque needed in many steep off-road situations. 2nd Gen does seem best suited for off-road out of the three.

[@alteregoklause1694]

@@flywalll sorry Sir, you talking historic Diesel bullshit (as almost everybody repeats constantly): if you compare the torque curves between the Diesel version and e.g. the TCe150 you find that the later has a BETTER (more offroad usable) torque curve than the Diesel (Diesel 250Nm at 2.000rpm, TCe150: 240 Nm but at 1.750rpm). I owned a Diesel and now a TCe150... In addition you have a MUCH larger working rpm range in 1st gear. Beside that torque doesn´t help on rollers, only intelligent and fast AWD or/and brake controll (if you don´t have a mechanical locker).

[@flywalll]

It is clearly difficult to conclude if 2 or 3 is the best overall. The most intense test with only one rear wheel engaged on the ground, duster 2 took much easier in off-road mode (lock) than 3. It's clear, software on 3rd was optimized compared to 2 - especially in the first batch of less advanced tests (two wheels on the ground). I clearly would say, everything considered - still would go for 2nd Gen for off-road performance. Much more wheel spin in 3rd Gen than you should expect from a brand new traction system. Also, did you ever see any difference in 3rd Gen between the three off-road modes (snow/mud, sand and off-road)? It seems just a gimmick (at least when modes are tested on rollers). You can see that some of the software optimizations in the 3rd Gen were done around the ESP system. It seems to behave better in combination with off-road mode. I'd still prefer switching it off in lock mode in the most demanding situations, however. All in all, if you put a diesel engine in this, it will be a monster in the off-road, considering price. Oh, but 2nd Gen does have diesel. 3 doesn't. It's a 2 for me. I heard in Morocco, they may offer the 3rd Gen in diesel. Then it would be slightly more difficult to say no to 3rd.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@flywalll Main difference may be actually seen in the first test, rear axle looks much more responsive and it reacts quicker. When it comes to mode - they probably make difference during driving.

[@flywalll]

​I agree that the first test with two rear wheels on the ground you see a clear improvement. Again, in the most demanding last test, I was dissapointed from the 3 with the 2 being so much better at it. Making up for the difference between the two in the first test.

[@markmd9]

I was expecting the new Duster to fail the 3 wheels slip test but it passed!

[@micuzzu67]

I’m the owner of a Duster2 and I had some serious issues only on a beach with soft sand and some slope. Car quickly sank into the sand until it touched the bottom and goodbye! I needed the help of a tractor! But sand is a difficult terrain for every 4x4!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@micuzzu67 Maybe new MUD/SAND mode makes some difference.

[@cuoresportivo155]

wider tyres, less tyre pressure and less agressive tread all helps. You don't want to sink in the sand, or have the tyres dig a hole

[@micuzzu67]

@@cuoresportivo155 yes, of course. but sand is a difficult terrain for every 4x4: last week, I saw an old Suzuki Grand Vitara (a true4x4, having also reduced gears) having many difficulties to go up a beach after releasing a boat. It was forced to proceed horizontally along the shore and then climb up when having a good speed. never seen problems instead with little cars like Panda 4x4 or Suzuki Samurai :-)

[@Gklasse]

Happened to me this summer as well.

[@bunnys1980]

​@micuzzu67 less weight really helps

[@alteregoklause1694]

Thanx again for your work! Not that easy to find 3 generations of Duster at the same time. As I owned DI and now DII I can confirm the shown difference. For DIII its very disappointing that the AWD works still far below "industry standards" (other recent cars with e.g. VAG Haldex). Beside the Duster (and some others) I own a Golf 7.5R and its Haldex works much better in mud or offroad general (as far as non existing clearance allows😁). Not talking about street where my Duster´s AWD does almost nothing. Let´s see if something improves with the Bigster - hope dies last.

[@elpachas8054]

1.5 blue dci 👌👌👌👌

[@dariopiccoli1812]

excellent test! thank you for sharing

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@dariopiccoli1812 Thank you!

[@andreigavrilescu5786]

could you try applying brake/handbrake in the 3 roller test? Do you think this might change things by braking the free spinning wheels?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@andreigavrilescu5786 We tried that in the past - it didn't help.

[@milanpesic9979]

A zašto ne bi uporedili dačiju 2010 i audi a4 2007-8 ili daitahtsu terios,pozz .

[@hennietanya3533]

Ill pic the 2nd gen in 1.5 blue dci thank you. They should not have removed the diesel option.

[@wojciechprz3815]

Dzięki

[@veselingramatikov]

Its obvious 3dr gen is the best. System is faster and more reactive. Rollers dont show the full story. Alsop the programming in 3rd gen is closer to more expensive modells the system pulses insted of gradually clamping the breaks.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@veselingramatikov Roller test confirms it.

[@mihaiachim244]

Do you take into account a roller test with Nissan Xtrail Epower? The concept is interesting, all electric power on wheels without mechanical intervention. Maybe versus Xtrail Mild-hybrid (classic configuration).

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mihaiachim244 We will test X-Trail if we only find it...

[@GLMtr]

If you visit Czech Republic (south Moravia) I would like to test mine 2nd gen. Duster with rear auto locker to see how ECU reacts to different scenarios so far I've only got rear wheel of the ground and diagonally 2 tires but for short moment so ECU didn't do much work.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@GLMtr That would be interesting but we are not planning to visit Czech Republic. Maybe you can come to Poland? 🙂

[@skoarinn]

go to poland please,i would like to see this

[@Not-famous]

New and 2nd gen no big difference. Maybe it would be more visible if test in real conditions (snow/sand etc) but on rollers no big difference. But... New one have lot of other good stuff compare to older, they are not expensive so definelty wold considering buy new with all warrantys

[@oxi_tyxaios]

my 1997 Vitara would put these to shame easily. I'm tackling most scenarios without even needing to enable 4X4, let alone put it in Low. All because it's a RWD-based 4X4. When you're climbing a hill, you need power mostly at the rear wheels, and all Dusters (and almost all modern SUVs) are FWD-based. I'm on the market for a new SUV that has proper off-road credentials and doesn't cost a fortune to buy and run, and unfortunately for that I live in Europe (with all our stupid laws). Up till this video, the Duster was on my list. I guess the only real contenders now are the Suzukis and the Subarus. And I'm very very skeptical of German and Swedish cars (high costs, not famous for their reliability), although there are some tempting options

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@oxi_tyxaios 1997 Vitara would be doing great until you hit diagonal or lateral obstacle - then it's helpless. If you consider new Suzuki - only Jimny is an offroader. Vitara or S-Cross, just like Duster, have fwd based awd systems. So has Subaru.

[@oxi_tyxaios]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers not in my experience. Especially if I put it in low range

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@oxi_tyxaios Low gear doesn't help if car faces diagonal or lateral obstacle. Then it's all up to differentials which are open.

[@Musicmedstudio]

You can always go Range Rover route if you have healthy kidneys

[@7.92Gav]

​@oxi_tyxaios Standard Vitara (Sidekicks) cross axle very easily unless you have modified with dislocating rear axle. Also useless in 2 wheel drive, great in 4x4. I do love them though, I've got 3 of them with various levels of modifications.

[@dobrindorin1420]

good test...😊

[@Dacia4x4]

is possible mud/sand and OFF? or Snow and OFF?

[@Dacia4x4]

in my opinion the 4wd system in 2010 and 2018 is most simple. 2wd to road, Auto to road or easy off-road, and lock and auto or lock with OFF to hard off road or climbing.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Dacia4x4 It's possible but we didn't try it.

[@Hanoitami]

LOL... the Vitara is still better with slips on front and 1 in the back... The new Duster is close, but Suzuki still builds the better 4x4 without all that useless chassis tech stuff. (i.e. cameras, dynamic chassis etc) Imagine a country like Colombia where the Renault Duster was a top seller. Nobody would buy this 2024 model, cause the whole design isnt rugged. Even worse, it looks like a Landrover and its pricetag are making it a target for thiefs in such countries. Edit: Just saw that the new Duster 2024 wont be sold in Colombia for now. Instead the old Duster will get a facelift for 2025. Speaking of staying true to your customers .

[@34Ar241]

please test a 1.5 4wd terios without vsc version

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@34Ar241 If we only find it...

[@semihipek846]

second gen is the best :)

[@pheromonekira3255]

Le Duster 3 au final ne s'en sort pas si mal. J attends vraiment de voir le système e-AWD qui arrive avec le Bigster et un moteur 1.2 Eco -G à 150ch.

[@gn.73]

C'est vrai mais il manque au duster un differentiel auto bloquant un peut comme le duster pick-up

[@mr_viny6952]

​@@gn.73ça pourrait l'aider dans certaines situations, mais est-ce ça ne deviendrait pas "trop" pour l'utilisateur Lambda ?

[@SiempreConTrasto]

We need a proper drivetrain. A V6 non turbo petrol engine or at least 2.0 turbodiesel without all those ecoshit (EGR,DPF,SCR,DMF) with right amount of torque and good old hydrokinetic gearbox. 1.2 or 1.0 engines are for small cars like twingo or seicento not for an SUV.

[@vovgun8463]

Удивлен, что даже старый дастер съехал с трех роликов.

[@White_Wolf_DA]

I don't understand something... in Lock 4x4 mode, why don't all the wheels moving?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@White_Wolf_DA Lock mode engages permanently rear axle, it doesn't lock all wheels.

[@White_Wolf_DA]

@4x4.tests.on.rollers so basically, it gives more power to the back wheels than the snow/mud mode?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@White_Wolf_DA Yes, in simplification we can say that.

[@osmanguven8805]

2nd gen is nice choice

[@bjelinski1]

a Wy dalej niestrudzenie testujecie, to jest imponujace, nawet jesli cos tam z YT skapnie. Ale pisze bo chcialem zapytac - gdzie mozna kupic, albo jak nazwac te rolki??? Chciclabym kupic choc jedna sztuke by testowac blokady, gdy bede szukal sobie terenowki.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@bjelinski1 Pasja to pasja 🙂 Co do rolek - szukaj w sklepach z wyposażeniem warsztatów samochodowych, chyba pod nazwą rolki wolnobieżne.

[@OWLIC1]

Gen2 did best results

[@rickyfarrys1592]

Dacia 3 the best🏆

[@danieltaran8738]

Could you also test the duster from 2010? It would be interesting vs 2014

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@danieltaran8738 2010 would pass only the first test. It would fail the diagonal, lateral and 3 rollers.

[@danieltaran8738]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers could I improve it with a diff lock? I'm thinking about a blokka right, something Russian, found for 200e

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@danieltaran8738 If you are taking it off road then diff lock is good idea 👍

[@danieltaran8738]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I only take it occasionally for overlanding

[@Arek771y]

Co jest nie tak z tymi autami (pisze tu teraz o Dacii czy Suzuki)? Kazda nowa generacja wydaje sie miec gorsze zachowanie napedu czy to na rolkach czy w terenie. Inzynierowe maja tyle danych, ze te napedy powinny smigac jak chocby w Q5 czy tej ostatniej Insignii.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Insignia to inna bajka, bo ma Twinstera na tylnej osi. Q5 wypada bardzo dobrze, ale nie jakoś znacząco lepiej. Może producenci poszli drogą Mazdy i tak stroją działanie układu, żeby nie przeciążać sprzęgła napędu...

[@Dacia4x4]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers explain me about Mazda system please.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Dacia4x4 It's basically the same as in Dacia or Suzuki, meaning that rear axle is powered by electromagnetic coupling. In Mazda, computer decides to disconnect the rear axle (by opening the coupling) quite early to prevent the overheat.

[@Arek771y]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Czyli mozna mniej wiecej twierdzic, ze np. Mazda CX-5 lub CX-30 po wylaczeniu kontroli trakcji (ten magiczny offroad mode), zachowuje sie mniej wiecej jak Suzuki/Dacia a zapewnia duzo lepszy komfort wykonczenia i jazdy? To samo sprzeglo (GKN?) jest chyba tez w Volvach, tak? (np. XC40 czy 60)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Arek771y Nie bardzo, Mazda rozłączy napęd przy znacznie mniejszym obciążeniu. Poza tym jest on zestrojony głównie pod prowadzenie (handling awd). Nawet offroad mode wydaje się tam "mniej terenowy". Mazda używa sprzęgła napędu ITCC (JTEKT). Edit: Volvo używa haldexa.

[@fabiosalerno1490]

La DUSTER 3 generazione è la meglio in tutto la nuova magari è più moderna ma per il resto vale poco non conviene secondo me

[@cosmosvr]

Decepción con duster 3

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Why? It passed all tests.

[@cosmosvr]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers El Duster 2 fue mejor

[@JohnDoe-ti6pd]

IMHO, new Duster III engages rear axle much faster than previous generations, but has slightly less performance in diagonal and lateral test.

[@flywalll]

It is clearly difficult to conclude if 2 or 3 is the best overall. The most intense test with only one rear wheel engaged on the ground, duster 2 took much easier in off-road mode (lock) than 3. It's clear, software on 3rd was optimized compared to 2 - especially in the first batch of less advanced tests (two wheels on the ground). I clearly would say, everything considered - still would go for 2nd Gen for off-road performance. Much more wheel spin in 3rd Gen than you should expect from a brand new traction system. Also, did you ever see any difference in 3rd Gen between the three off-road modes (snow/mud, sand and off-road)? It seems just a gimmick (at least when modes are tested on rollers). You can see that some of the software optimizations in the 3rd Gen were done around the ESP system. It seems to behave better in combination with off-road mode. I'd still prefer switching it off in lock mode in the most demanding situations, however.

[@franciscojavierlopez8801]

tiene truco...el Duster azul...no para de volantear...en cuanto la rueda trasera derecha se apoya en el marco del rodillo interior izquierdo...tracciona...no se que interés tienen en desprestigiar el nuevo modelo???

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@franciscojavierlopez8801 I have no idea what you mean. Tyres are on the rollers, no contact with frames.

[@franciscojavierlopez8801]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ya...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@franciscojavierlopez8801 What's ya?

[@franciscojavierlopez8801]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollersque es poco fiable..las condiciones no son iguales...que raro que una transmisión igual...una funciona y otra...no, siendo el mismo sistema Nissan... distintos factores... diámetros diferentes y revoluciones diferentes...analice el vídeo paso a paso...poner el mismo diámetro de rueda y dar las mismas revoluciones no volantear...ruedas centradas en los rodillos y veremos el resultado...y lo creere 👍..

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@franciscojavierlopez8801​ All cars are on their original wheels, their diameters are programmed by manufacturer into the cars controllers. We can't change that. Besides it doesn't matter cause they sit in rollers the same way. Conditions are the same - cars vs rollers. The rest you see is the intervention of the systems - 4WD and traction control. It's not the same in each car, it evolved and it's different (mainly software), that's why results are different. And it's actually not Nissan system but GKN Driveline.

[@m80116]

These mode wheels are hopeless. They should have never crept up to proper offroad vehicles (which this vehicle isn't) nor are they intelligent or intelligible in their results. The newer model seems a less responsive than the old models but I wonder how much of that is due to the mode wheel and its mix of functions.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@m80116 The most important thing is rear axle response. If you look at the first test - you can see it's much more responsive in certain modes. Overall result may look similar to all generations but this is roller test - it's not always the point to pass it.

[@MrKamuffel]

newest Gen with useless "Mode"-shit-selector- Add 3 more Modes🤣🤣🤣

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@MrKamuffel They are not useless.

[@MrKamuffel]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ...for most drivers. They have no clue about. So less is better-

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@MrKamuffel Names of modes are quite intuitive. Performance is also different, even in roller test.

[@cosmosvr]

Es mejor el Duster 1

[@thedrseoo]

Gen 2 is better

[@HaakonErtel]

1,3 liter and 4wd not for towing.....

[@RayHogarth]

Yet again another rip off just like the Subaru one's, the car finds it's way to one side of the rollers and the tyres gets a hold of the frame in the middle of the rollers and lurches the car off them , but if you are stupid enough to believe the roller test then buy the cars, but don't be disappointed when you are stuck on a banana skin.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@RayHogarth Tyres do not touch the frame. If they were getting grip from the frame, cars would be always passing all tests. But they are not. Furthermore - in case of red rollers, it is even impossible for the tyre to have contact with the frame.

[@ireneuszkugiel6093]

Zdecydowanie najlepsza jest dacia 2 generacji...Ze względu na super silnik 1.3 4 cylindry...Duster 3 1.2 3 cylindry to lipa...W terenie dzieki większej mocy i większemu skokowi zawieszenia dwójka wygrywa...pozdrawiam

[@entropy_of_principles]

….the polish hater is …back, only polish cars are better ?! Fiat, jeep and…

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@entropy_of_principles What?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@entropy_of_principles What are you talking about? What hate?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@entropy_of_principles Why are you offending my country and nationality? This is automotive channel, it has nothing to do with nationalities. By the way - here's 500X: lkzbin.info/www/bejne/pJacnX9nmr2KnaM