$10 VS $400 Water Stone Sharpening!

[@aradoran]

DBK: 6 minutes 37 seconds to sharp. Me: 6 Hours 37 minutes still dull.

[@EndlessSpace310]

Well you didn't sharp a right angled so that's why

[@ssunfish]

You can "sharpen" PAST sharp

[@AleksanderLydkunst]

I use diamond stones to sharpen my tools (chisels and planes) because they’re incredibly hard and flat and don’t wear quickly 👌🏼 Each tool has it’s purpose

[@antonine.rodrigue8769]

Got myself the cheapest wet stones (Bear Moo 3000-8000 grit). Been using them for 3 years now for both my kitchen and utility knives. There's a huge curve in them since I don't really bother flattening them but I just follow the curve. For me 50$ stones do the job, no need to spend upward of 200$ to get em' nice and sharp

[@diegocampista3126]

Many stones are quite expensive just because of the brand.

[@Francois_Dupont]

when you only got 100$~ of knife it is absolutely NOT worth it to buy 500$ of stones.

[@myfatassdick]

Francois Dupont alright you sold me I have $500 worth of knives so I’ll get $100 worth of stones

[@robertretired2660]

YOU guys are VERY ENTERTAINING....as an ex-patriot of the Netherlands..it's refreshing to see you guys

[@danhuberdanhuber3522]

Every time there is a DBK sharpening video i click as fast I can

[@jaysee2213]

I have a cheap stone and all my blades are shaving sharp, I have just ordered a CC4 but that is mainly for taking camping. Cheap stone and a strop (I use autosol metal polish on it) works great together

[@davidk123]

Hahaha, the “ik ben Mikkie” out of nowhere really caught me off guard😆😆 great video as usual!

[@DanielWorkshop]

What about suehiro stones?

[@cantgameright]

Classic DBK is comfort food.

[@JohnBaxendale]

So basically if you're wondering what to buy, don't buy either... thanks boys, you cleared that up a treat! :)

[@medrup1025]

I would love to see a comparison between your waterstones and diamond sharping stones from DMT! Great video!

[@bencullen8499]

Great vids guys, You guys should make a knife with mora, maybe the kansbol in carbon and without a profile grind ?

[@foreverjim5240]

I would buy that. Maybe a new handle color just for DBK

[@bencullen8499]

@@foreverjim5240 maybe in blue

[@stonedape3285]

@@bencullen8499 it would be amazing with the dbk logo

[@samuelbrophy2845]

I brought sharpening stones of Amazon and they are amazing

[@unknown-ql1fk]

For the average person the cheap stones ROCK. Even if you have to flatten them ever couple uses thats fine. Most folks will sharpen 1-3x a year and if the 3000 isnt really 3000 just buy the 6000 for $10 and youre good. I can do this buy-ise-flatten and replace like 5x for the money

[@alamore5084]

Agree, just buy a few different grades. If an 8000 is not an 8000 you have a 10000 etc. Then finish with stop and WD40/ Ajax mix for very smooth sharp finish!

[@mapleenderson8541]

cmon the stones did a wonderful job they sharpened the knife after all didn't they? And if you have knives in the 50 euro range it makes no sense to get stones that are more expensive than your knives. It is like spending more money to clean the car than the cost of the car..

[@mrnice752]

I have these stones and they work great. They don't wear nearly as fast as these guys made out and they cut the steel of my D2 knives and 01 tools with ease... They are right about the grit ratings though, they are more like half the number on the side. That's not even an issue once you own it though, just annoying if you buy the wrong thing. I'd rather have my set of 3 stones, that's 6 grits for $30, than one expensive stone.

[@DutchBushcraftKnives]

These Stones are definitely useful but there are some things to consider. I used these stones under another brand name to first try water stones sharpening. My biggest frustrations where: - sharpening is a mess because you need to water the stones so often - you bite into the stone much more easily because the stone is soft - for regrinding the wear one these stones is frustrating. You get thick slurries and after 1 regrind you need to flatten the stone which is again a messy process. Imo if you have a few knives just get a dc4. If you have a lot of knives or do a lot of sharpening get the choseras. They'll pay themselves back in terms of longlivity. It also changes sharpening from annoying to being fun for me at least

[@mrnice752]

@@DutchBushcraftKnives Great points, I'm not saying they are the best on the market. Simply bang-for-buck I think they are the great. For the mess I just use a large plastic tray, and for re-profiling I'd rather use my course diamond plate than any stone. You still need to dress the surface of harder stones as they load up with steel, the softer stones self-clean and as long as you use the whole surface hardly dish at all. Again, I'm not disagreeing with your guys at all, I just think for the avarage consumer the cheap stones are better than you made out. Thanks for replying and all your quality content!

[@mapleenderson8541]

@@DutchBushcraftKnives The DC works great no doubt there but it is a bit short for bigger knives, for example kitchen knives. The diamond side is not so long lasting and the ceramic is too fine for some jobs

[@ared18t]

For the price of these stones you might as well get a king whetstone these aren't worth it at all

[@egmluvr]

I own both Ha No Kuromaku & Chosera stones, BUT I still go back to my favorite Shapton Glass stones.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

Should I get the Shapton Glass?

[@egmluvr]

@@Universal_Craftsman I’ve had mine since 2013. I drop them all the time. Lucky so far and they’re all still practically the same thickness.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

@@egmluvr What I saw the lower grit Kuromaku are the same price as the Shapton Glass. I thought of getting 120 Shapton pro, 320,1000, 3000 Shapton glass and maybe a 6000.

[@egmluvr]

@@Universal_Craftsman I would buy them if they’re on sale. I have 120,220, 320, 500, 1K,4K,8K. Although, I hate to admit it, you only need 1k & 6k shapton glass, a good COARSE stone, and white or green bark River + DLT Strop. Good Coarse Stones(IMO): Chosera 400, Imanishi Latte 400, Nanohone 220/400, DMT Coarse. Maybe 220 Glass (120,220,320 wear down quickly). That order.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

@@egmluvr I saw that as well, 320 Shapton glass is rather fine. At Knivesandtools i would pay 200€ or 220$ for 120 Shapton pro, and 1000, 3000, 6000 glass, the 320 isn't in stock now, but for 45$ it wouldn't be that bad. I think the 120 will be the only one that i would manage to wear down, but I also have an Atoma 140 and some cheap generic coarse stones, so it will probably last a long time. I see your point, technically speaking it makes no sense to have this much stones, Outdoors55 sharpens all his pocket knives with a DMT fine and a 3 micron and a 1 micron strop and gets outstanding results fast. Sadly it's usually just about collecting tools and prestige when using more stones.😄

[@wemcal]

Cheap stone buyer here... why spend the money on something I will sharpen once every two years... even when they are sharp the only things I’m cutting is onions, cabbage, tomatoes, zucchini’s, chicken or steaks for stir frying... Great video and comparison

[@Gee-Man-Adventures]

I had one of these cheap stones. It was great for three uses and then I binned it. I now use a set of cheap diamond plates, a fallkniven dc521and a good strop. Perfect and cost less than £100 in total.

[@xmeda]

Usually you can buy cheap but good sharpening stones in tool-shops than in knife shops, where a lot of hype is included in price :)

[@mapleenderson8541]

The hype is in so much gear nowadays. Sharpening is not the end of all you just have to do as minimal as you can and start working

[@crusader5989]

Hi, if was to buy a set of 3 Naniwa Professional stones, which grits would make a good 3-stone set? Thanks

[@ugnuggets]

I just got a ckf t15 made from m398 and I've been trying to sharpen it for a week. I use a 1000 grit ceramic stone... it's barely doing anything. To be fair I'm used to tool steels, and I tried to reprofile the m398 on it. So now I'm about a week into a month's work lol. With something like d2 a steel I am a fan of for my edc work knives this would be about 12 hours of work. Then when I touch them up it takes me about half hour. I didn't know there could be that much of a difference between any of the premium steels vs d2 even at 62hrc

[@juancervantes313]

I mean what if you have enough time to sit there and sharpen it? Is speed the only competition here?

[@Ripp_Glavenhammer]

Dang and I have been using wet dry sandpaper on a piece of granite like a sucker, it does have the benefit letting you know when it's sharp, because it will start cutting the paper.

[@cris.han0311]

I got my set for 29 dollars on Amazon n I got say I'm very happy with them. Its not the stone that makes the blade sharp but the person doing the technique

[@polimorfonuclear]

Thanks for the creativity, novelty and finally a so usefull video. You guys are tracking back to the core of your channel sucess

[@christopherconnelly6912]

Just wanted to say thank you for your videos. Your reviews, advice and explanations on sharpening have been extremely helpful. I purchased the Benchmade Puukko knife and love it, now I'm looking at some higher quality knives you have recommended. You have been helping this old dog out a lot. Thanks.

[@teachingwithipad]

Ever use shapton glass?

[@frankdavis313]

I have a set of 2 stones 4 grits that say they r bearmoo but look identical to the cheap stones yes they r soft but they work great

[@lasersharpedge5489]

You should do a review on KING STONES!!

[@linhquang4590]

I'm really pleased with this! It works like a charm kzbin.infoUgkxDcr-y2Pf6xdnrFHrSP7dl9kpKaCozcSQ Takes less time than my old electric sharpener because it can take more off the knife faster, and then it smooths out nicely with the finer grit polisher. I don't know how long it will last before the grit wears away, but I wouldn't mind having to replace it every once in a while.

[@MrMorozco]

The intro guy makes me wonder if that's how I look like when sharpening. Like a happy goofball

[@juostion2]

Odd question, but I have a knife that I believe is a vintage mora but I'm not sure and was wondering if you could help me out with it?

[@arcanon5080]

It’s not the same speed but just for a few more minutes u can save lots of money

[@xxtoxicalienxx5316]

Hello DBK! Your Choseras, how long have you used them for? I am wondering how long they will last before they wear out. I know it depends, but how long have yours lasted?

[@joshuagenovese36]

Another great video review guys. Much appreciated. I just started to learn to sharpen in the past year . Hope to be as good as you both someday..lol. right now I've been using the worksharp field self guided sharpening system. Which does ok for my needs though now after seeing this video will definitely have to get the diamond sharpening set off your website. Have a wonderful weekend guys.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

I almost bought the US$2/6 whetstone that's 15cm but I wisely bought the King Deluxe 1200 coz' it had a cool price for a new old stock w/ a small damage (a nick). God bless.

[@cameronalexander359]

"Otherwise we wouldn't have a good clickbait video" 😆

[@GameGuide2020]

Pissed myself when Maarten went for his arm at 3:26 Got my Mora Garberg yesterday, cheers from Scotland.

[@Clinderoth]

Can you review the bark river v44 Bowie please

[@pedroperalta5719]

Maarten one word for you; Imodium. Could you guys do a sharpening video on the Ken Onion sharpener with attachment? Thanks.

[@daryooshfatemi]

I have Naniwa diamond series and I have Naniwa Professional series. Are professionals same as choseras? Non of mine has plastic base. I have to put them on separate bases.

[@jasonburns956]

Please do a video on the kme sharpener with a convex rod (You may need to borrow one there not cheap)

[@chrissexton6634]

What was the company whetstones that you bought? Looking for a 3000/8000 stone for the cheap.

[@A13tech]

6 minutes to sharpen CPM3V ? I had to buy a Shapton glass seven to sharpen my D2 Ontario and I am still not able to get a sharp edge on that knife.

[@jamesbaron9167]

If I didn't remember it's Friday here, I'd have missed your update. What happened? It's not shown in my subscription.

[@gatriemacleinn1976]

1095 was good enough for generations before us. Now its considered "soft tool steel"

[@Universal_Craftsman]

...50 hp trucks were good enough for generations before us, now they are considered slow and lame... Technology will keep changing, no need to hang onto things just for nostalgia.

[@KonradBossi]

Bushkrafting with cleaver please!

[@shaulstrait4313]

what should i get if i dont want to spend a couple hundred dollars on stones but I don't want the cheap ones either. anyone know of good stones that fall somewhere in between these 2

[@Salvatore-h9t]

Paper is a relatively inaccurate sharpness test, it's better for checking burs along the edge of your knife, a better way is to see if it will shave, or take a piece of paper fold it in half, stand it up and try to cut in the fold all the way down.

[@defaultzenabled4261]

Best hard core good edge retention knife for under 150??? So far i have the mora gerberg carbon black and the crowbar with an edge

[@Chlorate299]

I do love my Fallkniven DC4, I've had it for years and it's still my go to for quickly putting an edge on something... For other sharpening I have a relatively cheap King combination water stone that works well enough for the crappy knives I own. However this video is definitely making me covet a set of Naniwa stones...

[@cassiustunis8699]

When will Mikkies album come out?

[@vaughnsangalang7934]

i would just buy a worksharp and a DBK strop to finish it off

[@NaptownLarry]

For someone who's just starting to learn how to sharpen... What is a low priced "knife" you'd recommend using to practice on? (For those of us that don't want to experiment and make mistakes on a Fallkniven).

[@torsken7301]

I know im not DBK but, moras are cheap, and easy to sharpen

[@airwilliam24]

Mora, Kitchen knives, whatever knife that is cheap in your opinion. Doesn't matter the style so much, it's all good practice.

[@NickElliottOutdoors]

Hey would you guys look into doing a review on the back river puukko?

[@blackdead7595]

Which set of stones(most universal I guess) would be better for steels like 1095, Viking, CPM 3V, Vanadis 4E, PGK, Nitrobe 77: Naniwa Professional 400, 1000, 3000 or Shapton Pro 320, 1500, 2000? + a stone to eventually reprofile/ get rid of chips like Shapton Pro 120

[@blackdead7595]

@Joël That's nice, thanks though it's been 2 years :D Also, can you tell me which one sharpens more easily from your experience? CPM 154 or CPM 3V?

[@milchpulverkakao4917]

When i started getting serious with my sharpening and my 2 sided stone (i don’t know the grit i guess 400/1000or1500#) just wasn’t enough anymore i bought a similar set of amazon ,but i was really disappointed to find out that the 400# and the 8000# felt exactly the same and that even my old stone felt much smoother . After that i went a bit overboard and bought sharpening equipment for a 1000€ or so xD but my knifes do be sharp dough .

[@WhoToldYouThis]

I was just trying to buy a sharpening stone and came across your video, this was fucking fantastic to watch. Ill sub just cause.

[@66piperaztech]

These guys are just the funnest!

[@duncanwhitcombe4392]

Thanks for the over share

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

Hey you guys should check out the king hyper stones. The 1k cuts about as fast as the naniwa pro 1k but its about twice as thick as the naniwa pro.

[@pixelplays562]

Make a video of you guys reviewing survival Lilly's new knife the Apo-1H

[@AG-wg7kb]

Guys please answer me do you think that the tops Bob 154cm worth the money because I want to buy one

[@mapleenderson8541]

no

[@AG-wg7kb]

@@mapleenderson8541 but why??!

[@alex3706]

Hi, knife people ! :) I like your channel. I have watched the videos with the whetstones (Naniwa and Shapton). I recently (one month ago) buyed Chosera 3000 (with plastic base) and after only 10 sharpening sessions with only splashing (without soaking), it developed a little crack on a side, in the middle. Could you please give me some advices about how to take care of this stone ! Thank you!

[@IrishEagIe]

Hey DBK! Are you guys still or are designing a knife? I remember you saying that you were working with Dulo, I'm not sure. If you are, any updates?

[@DutchBushcraftKnives]

We should be showing our dbk knife somewhere in the coming months :)

[@IrishEagIe]

@@DutchBushcraftKnives Cool! Thanks

[@capolot]

The naniwa diamond stones are slower because they’re resin bonded. Try a vitrified diamond stone ;)

[@calebpayton5727]

Thursday just got better!

[@dirtmcgirt6769]

Caleb Payton right on! It’s been a while. I couldn’t click fast enough.

[@maxrez74]

You guys must get your hands on the new bark river puukko. Also, DBK using an ESEE that's not the junglas???

[@nickisauer9626]

Ya fine. But what would you guys recommend for good budget stones, ie. not expensive but still good enough stones if you are on a budget? Thanks.

[@ViktorKitov]

King KDS is a classic if you don't mind soaking. Otherwise Shapton Pro or Diamond Plates.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

@@ViktorKitov Are Shapton glass better than Shapton pros?

[@ViktorKitov]

@@Universal_Craftsman They are just different. The Glass series are ready to go without any soaking while the Pro’s benefit from a short dip (A few minutes). Most people will enjoy the feel of the Pro’s more, but both get the job done. I would recommend the former unless you drop stones often (The Glass backing is fairly tough).

[@Universal_Craftsman]

When you are on a budget you don't have to go down the rabbit hole, today I sharpened two cheap utility knives on an Atoma 140 and my butchers steel too shaving sharp in less than 15 minutes, not a refined edge at all but it gets the job done. You also wont need an Atoma, generic stones will do the job, but make sure you apex on a corse stone, not higher than 320, better 220 or something, starting right on the 1000 takes ages.

[@piotr4568]

why on cheap stones you started from 8000 and finished on 3000 ?

[@bobitobob3453]

😑 *sigh*

[@DutchBushcraftKnives]

800 and 3000

[@PlatinumRatio]

I need to sharpen tungsten carbide

[@bobitobob3453]

Hey guys, I was wondering if y’all could review the Gerber strongarm. I use mine all the time and I love it. Thanks and great video as always, with regards from the USA 🇺🇸

[@jhtsurvival]

I just got my knife crazy sharp on some sharpening stone in my barn probably from 1940

[@benvanniekerk4905]

I know that it’s a bushcraft channel, but could you maybe make a video in which you say English words in Duch? Enjoying your videos, keep up the great work. Ga zo door jongens.

[@МихайлоЧерепаня-ш7ь]

you should try out spyderco ceramic benchstone

[@templarioaph]

Have you guys ever used the Victorinox sharpening stone? Not the pen, I mean an orange small semi-cilinder. I'm new to Bushcraft and freehand sharpening and it seems that, here in Brazil, that stone the best price for benefit choice (costs 27 Brazilian bucks), but I'd like to hear from you guys, who are way more experienced. Big fan of you guys. God bless you, DBK boys

[@BaconNBeer]

I have been thinking on water stones lately but I thought those F'ing Dutchman have given me nothing on water stones then I look at youtube and here is my hero's and the water stones I have been looking at.

[@mattmorrison9379]

I use 8 inch DA sandpaper. 400, 600, 800 ,1000 ,3000. Works great imo. I just wrap the paper around a old cheap sharpening stone and I'm off to the races.

[@tyrant_q8966]

Hey DBK, great Video Where can i listen to that fantastic song from Wodanboys? Greatings from Germany ; )

[@jimihenrik11]

I personally like the dmt diamond sharpeners. All my knives are regular steels (no powdered steel, or how dbk likes to say: super steel). I'd like to see them sharpen cpm 3v and similar steels on dmt duo sharp sharpeners.

[@dirtmcgirt6769]

This was the most damn epic legendary video ever! For real though. This was a great vid. Thank you for wasting your money and time so we don’t have to. Have you ever considered doing a pattern giveaway for a Chosera stone?

[@chones01]

The less expensive stones might take a little extra work and prep, but they still work. If I’m sharpening my own stuff I already know I have to do some work. It’s relaxing and enjoyable. $400 on a sharpening stone when you’ll need at least three grits? That’s excessive. I’m okay with the extra work and time for that kind of a cost difference.

[@taminorocco5853]

What Musik is in the begining pls name

[@bornepic1626]

Make a video about helle nying

[@8TURIST8]

В итоге что можно брать китай?

[@AleCuostea]

I use a 20E diamond 2 sided @stone@ and a strop, I get shaving results with some work. this video is awesome if if it`s the 10`th time I see it.

[@arncj18]

are you Manuel schenkuizens brother?

[@leopoldoramirez8182]

Or use a flat piece of glass with wet sand paper

[@tylerthegrimm]

Ha! Speaking of diarrhea, I'm on the toilet with it while watching this video. 💪😁👍

[@bobitobob3453]

Why, why would you say that?

[@DutchBushcraftKnives]

@@bobitobob3453 sharing is a good thing right!

[@bobitobob3453]

No no no please no

[@tylerthegrimm]

@@DutchBushcraftKnives hahaha hey sharing is caring, brother's.

[@ared18t]

One day those diamond stones will be as big as Naniwa Chosera.

[@kevinfitz3721]

That would be amazing but unfortunately probably not it would cost astronomical they would be like 2,000 bucks a piece but technically it could be done with just a thicker mold in theory but I know a good bit about the process and there can be more to it then just a thicker mold

[@ared18t]

@@kevinfitz3721 I'd say give it like 100 years LOL

[@countmorgrimm9906]

Yeah I spend about 45 minutes using my 400/1000 grit Bearmoo stone and still can't get my blade very Sharpe. I need a better stone I think!

[@bornepic1626]

You need better technique

[@Wanderingsamurai_life]

Guys. I really need one of those jackets!

[@michaelkhanlian5796]

Dudes I always use water sandpaper, 800,1000, 1500 and 2000 and never be regretful

[@laubmal]

I have the same 3000/8000 cheap stone and I agree, it does not feel like a real 3000 of 8000 to me. You definitely do not get a nice finish off them.

[@botondszucs9817]

Cool video, Im a big fan. sorry to be picky but I don't think CPM 3V is a super steel. Yes it is a great steel that holds a good edge for a long time (and it's a miracle compared to 1095) and is very tough. I own and love my Bark River Bushcrafter in said steel and use it regularly, but the term super steel doesn't match, edge retention isn't that of S30V (in my opinion another not super steel) let alone insane stuff like Rex 45, Maxamet, M4, Cru-Wear, K390, M390 an a bunch of other stuff. But in terms of bushcraft probably the best steel (maybe elmax) but yes. Very cool, reliable, usable steel. Good videos keep them coming (Im just a steel nerd on the internet so disregard if too annoying.)

[@praetor47]

CruWear and 3V aren't all that different. 3V is definitely in the "super" category, but its "super" characteristic isn't edge retention, but toughness. also, as far as stainless steels go, AEB-L (and variants, like Nitro V) and CPM154/RWL34 are better than Elmax as they're significantly tougher. AEB-L is probably the toughest stainless steel that still has solid retention and the edge is so stable you can put a really really keen one on there and improve the edge retention even further. your Bark River, just like mine, aren't good indicators of 3V 'cause BRK hot grind the blades, burning them, and ruining the HT at the edge, so it has a HRC ~5 points lower than at the spine (hence the disappointing edge retention)

[@ared18t]

You guys should try the smiths tri-hone it's the bees knees

[@vouldar4826]

How are these guys only at 250k they are hilarious

[@Soggyliquid]

I mean, I get my f1 pro scary sharp on a 25$ stone, with a strop after ofc

[@tacodundee1950]

Have you guys had a chance to try the Shapton Glass series? Definitely not a cheap option, but I’ve been very happy with their performance. The 8000 didn’t leave quite the finish I had hoped for, and the 16000 was still a little shy of what I would expect. The cheaper ones I’ve tried off Amazon have worked (Mikarto, was actually a pretty decent cheap option, and I’ve actually purchased their chef and Santoku knives, and those are actually quite nice). Though you do end up resurfacing a lot. Personally, I don’t mind. It’s more a hobby than a necessity to me most of the time. I will say the sharp pebble though, whichever was the white/green, the green side just deteriorated and I think dulled my knives. The King Waterbear 4000 left one of the nicer mirror polished though, and was fairly cheap. $35-45 I think... Anyways, just curious if you guys had any experience with the Shapton Glass, before I went on a tangent. Haha. Good stuff though guys!

[@roguesheep1747]

Nah when my knives go blunt I just buy replacements 😜

[@caniaccharlie]

The real question is how sharp do you really need a knife? I will not believe that many people need a knife sharper than the cheap stones will make a knife. I have cheap water stones like in the video in 1000, 2000, and 5,000, plus one that I think is made by somebody else labeled 10,000. It doesn't "feel" like 10,000 when compared to the other stones, but then reviews of the one I bought people swear it really is 10,000. It's not like there is an industry standard on grit, and different brands or lines of stones, different materials etc, can all effect how a stone feels. You still need to strop the edge with any stones. If you have to do some serious edge repair, get a cheap low grit diamond stone like the four sided one from Harbor Freight that's like $12. Then all you need is a couple of those $10 stones, some wet/dry sand paper of 1000, 2000, 3000, grit, then a leather belt with polishing compound. I use the green Harbor Freight polishing compound. 90% of my sharpening is simply stropping on the wet/dry paper and then the leather strop. Only occasionally will I start on my 1000 grit cheap stone, rarely do I go any higher as I can't tell a difference skipping the higher grit stones and stropping vs. working through the higher grit stones then stropping. and very rarely, only when reprofiling an edge will I ever even use the cheap diamonds. I have the thin set of diamond plates from Harbor Freight as well that I occasionally resurface my stones with or grind the spine of a knife flat. Watch some Kyle Noseworthy for my favorite sharpener I've found on youtube. You can watch 10 different sharpening videos and see 10 different ways of doing things. The only things are to hit the right angle you need, and minding your burrs. This is the longest comment I've ever left on youtube, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk!