Faith, power, manipulation - The secrets of the Opus Dei sect | DW Documentary

For many critics, the arch-conservative Catholic community Opus Dei is a diabolical sect. However, Opus Dei (which translates to "Work of God”) sees itself in a very positive light. Even today, it’s very difficult to look into the inner world of the sect.
That's because its 90,000 members worldwide have taken a vow of secrecy - and those who have left report persecution if they break that vow. Meanwhile, Opus Dei is working to become the most influential player in the Catholic Church. To this end, it maintains a secret network - including branches in Germany.
It is no coincidence that the German headquarters are located in Cologne - Germany‘s most powerful Catholic archdiocese. In Germany, Opus Dei is focused on trying to gain a foothold in the field of education, by running daycare centers and schools.
The examination of a daycare center in Munich shows that Opus Dei deliberately conceals its involvement in these institutions. Another component of the network is IESE, the business school of Opus Dei, which also has an offshoot in Germany. It is considered one of the best schools of its kind in the world.
In Spain, where Opus Dei originated, sect members are active in parts of the judicial and educational sectors. The documentary tries to uncover these connections in both Spain and Germany, and lets both victims and experts have their say. It also includes an interview with the head of Opus Dei, Christoph Bockamp.
For the first time, a former member from Germany reports on her ordeal in Opus Dei and the harassment she experienced after she broke away from the sect. Spaniard Carmen Charo developed mental health problems during her time in Opus Dei, due to brainwashing and psychological pressure. Today, she helps others in their journey out of Opus Dei.
Dietmar Scharmitzer is trying to do the same thing with German-speaking people who want to leave, and runs an Internet platform to help inform them. Finally, Marco Politi, an author and Vatican expert from Rome, takes stock of the influence Opus Dei has exerted since the time of Pope John Paul II.
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[@lazlomattachine8334]

When folks tell you about how much they spend their days living “in love and mercy” or how holy they are, beware.

[@kinglear5952]

'Much talk about benevolence and love is the surest sign of their absence' Lao Tzu

[@richarddr1234]

Pretty much describes how you should deal with any virtue signaller. You find a lot of that sort on Twitter.

[@savantianprince]

Any organization like this are committing crimes against humanity

[@etobillion7805]

you gotta act love not talk it. the west has really made the word love so casual. every here and there is i love you, they even say ot online to total strangers, i wonder really loud how you could possibly love someone or something without actually critically knowing the person or thing

[@cd3881]

Ditto!

[@lauriemayne7436]

“The greatest achievement of humanity is not its works of art, science or technology but the recognition of its own dysfunction, its own madness.” Eckhart Tolle. What more needs to be said?

[@WellBehavedForeigner]

Do you still think it was a good idea to give our signatures to the first South Asian [land]farmer, or are you going to glue my china back together as a soldier?

[@jordantheriverman6143]

That Eckhard Tolle doesn't recognise his own self deception and subsequent deception of countless others. "Take from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and you shall be as gods"- Satan and Eckhart Tolle. Do not be surprisd for even Satan masquarades as an angel of light, so do his messengers.

[@WellBehavedForeigner]

@@jordantheriverman6143 come on man I'm not going to let you go back into a dark age like that. Buy me a ticket so I can become mayor in your swamp

[@pierrelabounty9917]

Yep, come to grips God's judgement on how we do trying to govern under Satan. This spiritual condition makes the world unfit for beings originally made in His image. Satan mocks God with our condition. So where does this leave Opus Dei. It's a cult part christian , part something else. Though hand be joined in hand they will not go without censure if they do wrong to each other. They serve an idea and ideal and an organization. I'd be happy to know I am wrong, seriously.

[@magemaatikko]

Otto Von Bismarck: In History of (homo sapiens) we learn that humanity doesn' t learn anything from history!

[@MariaPedersen-mq5hk]

I studied at the University of Navarra for a semester as part of a study abroad program. Although my Spanish friends felt uneasy about its association with Opus Dei, they told me they'd always dreamed of attending there because it's known to be the best university in Spain.

[@user-ot9bk2sh9s]

Same script in Kenya with Strathmore University

[@samuelad1513]

Christians and Christian values are under attack. There’s nothing wrong with groups activities and values and such documentaries are sponsored by the anti Christ’s and their agents. What wrong with living life as a true Christian. You people don’t talk about religions that supports and sponsors bloodshed around the world for fear of retribution while their sponsors live in luxury in Iran, Saudi, Qatar and else.

[@jorgecoelho4051]

Immediately your comment reminded me that the basis of education in Europe, milenia before the discoveries has always been at religious locations, they safe kept the knowledge from Rome.

[@casadechris923]

All educational clubs, universities or institutes that have members who establish these programs tend to excel. My prep school was and is one of the best in the DC metro area. Jesuit’s schools are their main competition yet people would never dare to call them cultish. A strong discipline in education, hence why in Asia it’s starting to pick up their expansion.

[@infjelphabasupporter8416]

As a Spaniard, there's definitely something odd about that story because the University of Navarra is NOWHERE NEAR being the best university in Spain. In Spain the whole presitigious/college culture doesn't exist; the only ones that are somewhat academically recognized as the best are all in Catalonia.

[@margaretngigi4721]

Personally I benefited from OD .i got a decent education that my parents could not afford in any other colleges in Kenya. I personally lived in their center as a trainee for hotel industry for two years and my experiences are good.nobody was forced to join

[@nyalih929]

It could be because Kenya is such an extremist religious country that behaviour by such sects seems normal. Also the fact that they paid for an education may be colouring your opinion.

[@transi8235]

Let’s see when is your pay back. You never get anything free from them

[@thespot2035]

You sound indoctrinated and naïve 😅 Do you think your privilege from them allows you to be objective? You said it yourself,you lived at their centre so it's not surprising that you're aligned with it! Hopefully your life turns out healthy but then again, it's Kenya so.,.

[@MsKelvin99]

am Kenyan too

[@tripprawlings9284]

@@nyalih929ignorant, pompous comment unless you grew up in Kenya in similar circumstances.

[@aristochat3]

I used to watch all these state affiliated channels, uncritically. Today my first question is no longer “what is the content?” But rather, “what is the agenda?”

[@johncaesar7551]

O

[@lauraowen8142]

INDEED ❣️

[@TrggrWarning]

When youtube highlights comments like yours in the context of this vid I wonder the same thing.

[@savana699]

I read this comment while watching the video half way. I was puzzled by your comment then at the very end your comment made a lot of sense. This documentary is more than the content, I saw the Agenda.

[@angelinanobile6212]

I agree with you. What is so surprising to me is that what is obvious now, as the scales have fallen from my eyes, there has always been an agenda. Nothing, but nothing, just happens. Plans for this time in our world had been made a long time ago. It’s always about power, money and deceit. I’m an Italian Jew and my father was a 33rd degree Scottish Rite and Grande d’Italia Orient. He told me years ago that everything those in power have created is an illusion. They create our reality. It works on so many people. But those who seek the truth and are not afraid to pull the scales from our eyes, THE TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED. If anyone tries to manipulate or dominate you, you can be sure it is evil. I put on God’s armor of protection from the evil one on everyday….sometimes several times a day. We are in for some serious times, now. Just like Jesus asked his disciples to watch and be alert as Jesus prayed to The Father for strength to face what He knew …..that great suffering was ahead of him. But his disciples fell asleep. I can hear Jesus whispering in my ear….stay awake and be alert, the lion is circling looking for someone to devour.

[@duncescotus2342]

"I have spoken openly to the world, and in secret I have taught nothing." --Jesus Christ

[@duncescotus2342]

@Hyperdulia Of course, Superservant! How silly of me to doubt the special revelation, divine imperative, favor, calling, cosmic vision, global necessity and absolute devil-destroying power of this club!

[@duncescotus2342]

@Hyperdulia What are you saying? Are we Jews? How do we "follow God's law?' 1. "Christ is the end (cessation, goal) of the law unto righteousness..." (Romans 10:4) 2. "Abolishing in His flesh the commandments in ordinances..." (Ephesians 2:15) 3. "He is the mediator of a better covenant..." (Hebrews 8:6) 4. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done..." (Titus 3:5) 5. "He himself bore our sins in His body..." (1 Peter 2:24) 6. The law is called "the yoke of slavery which our forefathers (the Jews) could not bear." (Peter speaking in Acts 15:10) 7. "Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions..." (Galatians 3:19) 8. The Old Testaments prophets bear witness of the true righteousness of God: "Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no stately form or majesty to attract us, no beauty that we should desire Him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised, and we esteemed Him not. Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid upon Him the iniquity of us all." (Isaiah 53:1-6) 9. If that is not enough, this one ought to cinch the point: "You who are of the law (seeking to justified by it) are cut off (separated, divorced) from Christ. You have fallen from grace." (Galatians 5:4) Please pray on these things. The ignorance of scripture and even the cross itself is staggeringly apparent here. I say this with sadness to the profound discredit of your organization. You are not a chaste bride, but adulterers of the New Testament of His blood.

[@duncescotus2342]

@Hyperdulia Ok, I'm sorry. I see that English is not your first language. Yes, what you say is true, but be very suspicious of all American organizations (and the American branch of international ones) as they are very political and almost all corrupt. This is a country where huge amounts of money are funneled to these non-profit non-taxable fronts in order to win votes.

[@duncescotus2342]

@Hyperdulia Ok, thanks for that reply. You may be right, especially concerning the roots of the movement and its original intent. But secrecy is not a New Testament virtue. The Holy of Holies is open. That's the first thing that happened when Jesus died. Also, check out the "C-streeters." These are Washington DC insiders (Christians) who have influenced politics for years using secrecy. And of course, there's the old Enlightenment standby Freemasonry. No good. There's enough clubs within Catholicism. We need no more confraternities. There was a time for monasticism. A time for universities. We need unity in the Christian faith--Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. That time is now.

[@cd3881]

@Hyperdulia Trinity is actually the Doctrine of the Devil....sorry🤷🏿‍♀️. There is Almighty God 💎Genesis 17:1; 35 who is The Most High God. And we have his Son, the Son of God 💎Hebrews 4:14, The Son of the Most High 💎Luke 1:30-32, 34, 35, who is our Lord and Savior...Our MIGHTY GOD 💎Isaiah 9:6. The problem is you all are not reading and studying the Scriptures that provides the truth about Who Christ and his Father Almighty God is. Jesus told us he has a Father. JESUS FATHER SENT HIM TO EARTH...GAVE HIM TO THE WORLD 💎John 3:16; 💎John 4:34; 5:30, 37; 💎John 6:38-40. Jesus told you his Father is greater than he is 💎John 14:28; 💎John 5:22; 💎Matthew 11:27; 💎Luke 10:22; 💎John 6:44, 65 and 💎John 14:6; 💎John 10:29. YES JESUS BY HIS OWN WORD TELLS US HE HAS A FATHER SEE 💎Matthew 7:21. What did Jesus say at 💎Luke 22:42. IF GOD AND JESUS ARE "ONE IN ESSENCE, " AS THE TRINITY SAYS , HOW COULD JESUS'S WILL, OR WISH, SEEM DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF HIS FATHER? 💎Hebrews 5:7, 8; 💎Hebrews 9:24; REASON ON THAT. STOP CALLING JESUS AND HIS FATHER A LIAR!. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO WHAT 💎John 17:3 and 💎Romans 10:9 tells you to do. Everlasting life hinges on this and flee these churches and their false religious teachings courtesy of Satan the Devil. Read 💎John 20:17. Also READ in the holy Scriptures 💎John 10:18; 💎John 12:49; 💎John 15:10 and also check out 💎1 Corinthians 11:3 (The head of Christ is God); 💎1 Corinthians 8:6 and also 💎1 Timothy 2:3-6. Worship God, Jesus told Satan at 💎Matthew 4:10. Jesus did not tell Satan to worship him, he told Satan to Worship God ...to worship The Father. The god many of you are worshiping and following and praying to is Satan the Devil the ruler and god of this world 💎1 John 5:19. This wickedness spoken about in this documentary is NOT of God... NOT this nor a religious organization that condone and encourage this brand of evil...This is not the act or behavior of Jesus Christ or his Father. READ THE HOLY BIBLE. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE AND THE SCRIPTURES SUPPORTS THIS. THE TRINITY IS NOT...NOT...I REPEAT NOT A TEACHING OF JESUS OR OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS THEN PROVIDE SCRIPTURAL PROOF....PLEASE AND THANK YOU. Finally Scriptures said call no one on earth Father except our Heavenly Father, our Almighty God (Look this Scripture up for yourself). The Pope is a man. He is not your Father. Almighty God is🤷🏿‍♀️

[@nkrump]

I was Opus Dei educated from 7th grade through college. I had no boss, just a confessor who was my priest from birth. Fr Fred knew me before I was born and died in 2007. No one is keeping tags on you, I’m hyper-numerate, which is just really great at math. I then selected a new priest and he has to listen to me now, I don’t work for the priest he works for me. Also, I never saw my parents pay them anything. I was on a full ride the whole way. I’ve never seen one of my professors inflict pain or intentionally bruise themselves. This documentary is just people who hurt. Some of what they say may actually be true. But it’s like combat in the desert…results may vary. I was a test pilot for helicopters, my younger brother was a truck driver, and another brother a Cavalry scout. My tours were highly hands on but easy…only for me. Opus Dei cares for many people who cannot do mathematics, they recruit mathematicians and teachers…I bet there are a few pricks in the organization. It’s like this in all organizations. Organizations have flaws. Opus Dei has people, who take in and care for the simple, some autism, fetal alcohol adoptions, lambs of God.

[@maxinemcclurd1288]

Thank you Nathan for the patient kind explanation , people are so afraid of what they don't understand.

[@erikriza7165]

Nathan P. Krump I have been favorably impressed and edified by all the Opus Dei members i have ever met. God bless you. You would be a good brother for anyone to know.

[@lucystephanieproperties]

I'm glad to hear this. The way this documentary was made seems like they want to scare people from a more religious life. 😆 Anyway, the Church also takes care of those who are in need indeed. Glory to God in the highest. 🙏

[@pechaa]

Every successful criminal organization provides services to the people whom they serve and hide behind. The most successful criminals are those who cultivate an aura of goodness and untouchability. In the case of Opus Dei, there are many red flags 🚩

[@Alex_00051]

What about sleeping on the floor and forbidden to shower with warm water??? Opus Dei/ Ode to the Devil.

[@mariacastillo5625]

I love the dark music used in the background. Dan Brown would be proud. 🙄

[@paulsaju2919]

I wonder why DW never make documentaries on Muslim religious cults and exotic practices. That too would be very eye opening for the public, including the Muslim communities. Hope to see one soon. Danke.

[@kckleen3950]

True. I remember my muslim classmate before he said he always saw devil in his dreams and he live in haunted house with a lot of gost.

[@dianaanthony2981]

Maybe they fear reprisals by militant Muslims. It's happened before.

[@Ad-Lo]

That is blatantly untrue. DW always profiles anything and everyone who isn’t White. I’m even surprised they dedicated more than 5 minutes to this, and that it wasn’t full of apologetics.

[@U4Eye]

because that would enrage their followers if you stated Anything bad about Muslims

[@vishaldora8803]

Islam is a religion of peace and Christians mission is to convert . So it is important to expose christians.

[@itsjustme4848]

The ENCOURAGEMENT of suffering should be rejected by any sane person or anyone who has compassion for their fellow humans.

[@hugodomingo3765]

Go an ask any Opus Dei member if they flagellate themselves. ... The conspiracy theory music at the end, the implied messages of Opus Dei doing something illegal - the whole presentation stinks. It's as if the media is attempting to turn your mood against your mind.

[@lauriemayne7436]

Tell that to my local MC (masochist's club). People like you want to take all the joy out of PM (perversion maximization). Shame on you.

[@troycequimpo6685]

Keep coping bro. Self denial is self mastery

[@StRaphael-we9qn]

Hi there, ❤️ is suffering 😮

[@user-ud4oz6vk6n]

L'Amore nell mondo già stato. Raffredado. 😮

[@tenaciousb4731]

I'll be honest, I know this documentary was supposed to be a hit piece. But DW, kind of made them look like a noble cause. Their faith is unquestionable. Their individual sacrifice, unparalleled. And they absolutely love their God. So much, as to dedicate their whole lives to their God. You kind of made them look good.

[@Thumbelllina]

Are you sure we watched the same documentary? :)

[@Tina06019]

A person or a group may have unquestionable (and unquestioning) faith in a very bad idea.

[@tenaciousb4731]

@@Thumbelllina after I read your post... I just realized I did not. I had watched a neutral video about the organizations founder. The documentary was more about the Spanish civil War than Opus Dei (the one I originally watched). I'm legally blind, I have some vision but it's pretty crappy, lol.When I typed in the keywords on KZbin, I thought this was the video that I had watched earlier. And I was like "what is with all the negative comments?". It took me a few moments, and then I turned on my visual aid audio reader, and reread the title. And I was like "oh. Wrong video" . My bad. I see why my original comment was taken out of context.

[@tenaciousb4731]

@@Tina06019 totally. I think the Greeks called that "relatively" or something. Don't quote me. I've never been accused of being a deep thinker.

[@Thumbelllina]

@@tenaciousb4731 it happens to all of us ☺️ No worries. Mine wasn't meant to be negative, sorry I was just amused that you had such a different perception than me. :)

[@anonymary625]

This documentary stirred lots of painful memories. I was in a relationship with an OD member when I was doing my PhD at an elite university in Europe. As an atheist from outside of Europe, I had not heard of OD and didn't know he was in OD. I thought he was just religious as he went to church and prayed a lot every day. He kept our relationship a secret and traveled back home in Spain every weekend. I was naïve and thought he might have another girlfriend or even family back home. I finally found out about OD and learned that he was supposed to be celibate. He told me he'd lived in some sort of university dorm with some senior priests since a kid. OD sent him to our university for doing PhD to prepare him for leadership in an elite university in Spain. He said it was his first time living on his own, and he felt more distant from God. He said he went back to the dorm in Spain every weekend to restore his faith and to have weekly meetings on new recruits. I saw him struggle for months, and one day he said he was going through the legal procedures to quit OD. He became a different person once quitting OD; we broke up on bad terms and have not spoken since. Upon graduating his PhD, he joined the elite university in Spain as originally planned and is happily married. I am happy for him, but I wish I didn't have to go through all those painful years to find out about OD.

[@biancaenera2500]

Yes, I was in a relationship with an alien. 👽🤣🤣🤣

[@gordonaliasme1104]

Religion is a breeding ground for the gullible

[@AL_YZ]

He was a hypocrite from the start. And he was sleeping with you. Totally dishonest. You were a fling. The secret delight he used and enjoyed. The compromise between what he professed and what his carnal needs demanded. You were screwed by your boyfriend. Opus Dei didn't do it to you. You were "naive". Sure. Women say that when they want something and got to have it.

[@juliarman]

@@AL_YZ Get a life, loser. Human life is a little more complicated and functions with empathy. Both live their lives, the original poster is even capable of feeling happy for another person. That is, in Christian terms, miles ahead of from where you struggle...Hating and judging people on YT from your basement...

[@poppymoon777]

I just met someone who’s dad was high up in opus dei. They were surprised I’d heard of it. OD perhaps does not get as much attention as the more glamorous cults

[@effendititus]

I believe this documentary did not dig deep enough to uncover the operations of the organization. It would have been more informative to the viewers to investigate how the organization deploys it's finances and it's members in powerful positions, and to what strategic end it does so.

[@Yinyara]

It makes you wonder if they infiltrated the U.S. courts 🤨

[@MiyaSamaCo]

I also wish they would have shown more as well. However, just take a look at the US Supreme Court...

[@isrberlinerin4063]

It is very difficult to get into the financial side of this Cult !

[@karenmcardle142]

You wouldn't get that far in to expose the funds.

[@coleengoodell7523]

@@MiyaSamaCo I was thinking the exact same thing as I watched this.

[@dhaliiab.4409]

Whoa, seriously? Let's not forget Da Vinci code is a fiction.

[@arnowisp6244]

Goes to show quality "Urnalism" on display

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Da Vinci code took place in a fictional city "Watican". Can't believe people still think it's true

[@pravinrbnair327]

So is god

[@Godfrey544]

@@pravinrbnair327 no, but equality is. You can measure the effects of God, not atheist civilization has lasted more than 100 years.

[@pakde8002]

The way OD operates sounds similar to how the evangelical movement infiltrated local government in the USA by running for every position available then once in office they could staff non elected positions in local government with like minded people who were basically permanent. With this base they were able to move on to state level then national level elected offices and it was extremely effective. I actually had a situation where a mental health worker at a county center insisted we pray and she basically started speaking in tongues. And I thought I was supposed to be the crazy one.

[@astralchimp]

..it's so much more..

[@astralchimp]

@@zaphodtrillian5237 " communists " in red robes praying to Baal

[@MaryamofShomal]

Oh honey, don’t be fooled: Opus Dei is a large part of the pseudo-Christian fascist movement that has taken over the Republican Party, as well as the Supreme Court of the United States. Dobbs never would have happened without them. And now, they’ve turned their sights and billions onto the rest of our government and society. See: Leonard Leo, The Federalist Society, People of Praise

[@ProbablyOnLSD6669]

@@astralchimp seek professional help

[@llc1976]

Yup and many are in the Supreme Court now and Billy barr is a Member

[@Biblical_Mystery]

Your story is a living testament to the transformative power of faith and the boundless grace of Jesus. It's inspiring to witness how you've not only overcome personal challenges but also found a renewed purpose as a child of God. Your journey is a reminder that there is always hope, even in the darkest moments. Praise be to the Lord for His unending love!

[@sherylcrowe3255]

"The greatest trick the Devil ever played... Was convincing the World he dosen't exist. "

[@joeyfotofr]

Evil exists. Did you miss the class where they taught the meaning of "Metaphor."

[@toriidawdy8456]

I like the one where he takes an audience members watch and smashes it bits .... Your think Wow ... Dudes watch just got smashed ... But then he finds behind someone's ear. Now get this ... It's perfectly fine !

[@tracyannjohnson5724]

Usual Suspects.

[@Eidelmania]

He's in Mara Lago

[@toriidawdy8456]

@@Eidelmania Certainly the darkest spectre to haunt these shores .

[@zendude123]

Secrecy has no place for true followers of Christ. John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="199">3:19</a> - “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil”.

[@isrberlinerin4063]

Amen

[@timebot000]

And we don't need Religion to know, love, live a pious life closest to God. Thier money all stays in in high places it appears, as wars and famines still fund Them rather then thier funds Stopping misery in the world.

[@monicascott2354]

😆 You're a hoot. Truth is not what I think of when Christianity is brought up. It's like the billboard that read, "Biblical Truth." It's oxymoronic.

[@isrberlinerin4063]

@@monicascott2354 Jesus Christ said: I Am The Truth ,The Way , The Life .......so i say you do not know The Truth you only rely on your own understanding .

[@oledocfarmer]

It’s not secrecy….it’s reasonable discretion. Jason, do you go out and proclaim everything about your family and yourself? Even secret things, the revelation of which would hurt others? Hope not! And BTW if someone ever came up to me demanding to know the inner workings of my family or my bidness….I’d get a restraining order. One can approve or disapprove of Opus Dei or any other human reality for that matter….vaya con Dios and Pax Tecum! But why or how this same person thinks that others give a flip about her/his opinion is beyond me. Clue Phone Calling: most people are thinking about themselves or their loved ones. They don’t have time to entertain others’ protestations, and even if they did have time….they probably would not. Life’s too short. Here’s a thought we could consider: howz about we only offer our opinions when we’re asked for them?

[@francesbernard2445]

Remember that history often gets rewritten in a bit of a different tone so often that the bigger picture going on for real at the time starts getting a new name.

[@damianskowron3573]

I met them in Estonia. Indeed, it is a sect

[@hellepost1439]

Scientology🚩

[@hugodomingo3765]

Wrong! Aleister Crowley is your man! The mad founder of Scientology and Free Masonry.

[@vermaxusa]

I was a cooperator for a few years in the late 90's. I was running a business at the time and the OD priest visited me at work. Everything was ok until I mentioned to a numerary if he had read a recent bio of St. Thomas More. He told me that the book was not on the approved list for OD members but referred me to one written by a member. This didn't sit well with me. After a few years and numerous cooperator meetings , I decided that the OD was not the right fit with my own spirituality. However, I found found nothing nefarious or sinister with the regard to the organization. However, for one raised in the Franciscan tradition, OD appears to be the direct opposite. The Franciscans work from the bottom up with the poor and OD works from the top down focused on targeting potential influencers in society. Not saying that OD is a wrong approach but it was not for me.

[@Damian1975]

Try the Jesuits

[@Yobbie72]

The poor you will have with you always, Jesus said, Me you don't always have. Too much emphasis on poverty is not God's will; the rich and powerful are people too, with souls, and considering their power over more people, if we can get them into the Kingdom of God, its going to have a bigger impact on society as a whole.

[@michelleishappy4036]

@@Yobbie72 good point!

[@vermaxusa]

@@Yobbie72 I agree with your point. I have nothing but admiration for OD but I was raised in the Franciscan spirituality. Instead of OD, I was involved in prison ministry for 12 years until Covid. Blessings.

[@Yobbie72]

@@vermaxusa that's fine. The church has many different charisms from various founders, serving different parts of the Body of Christ. We each have to find a community where we belong and where our talents can be used for the glory of God.

[@grahamhiggins1]

Watched this in full, but not convinced it really told us anything. I still can’t say who or what they are, having watched it.

[@ktcooki276]

😂

[@marilenaganea6578]

They are psychos greedy of power preying on stupid people. That's what religions did since ... forever

[@jess99912]

You should not be convinced since what they are saying are all lies. Opus Dei is not a cult. It is a Personal Prelature of the Catholic Church.

[@Lisabug2659]

Thought it was just me....😮

[@lauriemayne7436]

What happened to the other two replies?

[@pamelahomeyer748]

Thank you for your research and interesting reports I enjoy your videos

[@communitygardener17]

As a child I asked my fanatic parent the difference between cult and religion. She insisted the two were completely different. She taught me what hypocrisy looked like in practice and over time I find the line between religion and cult is non-existent.

[@duncescotus2342]

It can get blurry. When too much emphasis is placed on any man other than Jesus it's not good.

[@mindsigh4]

not to argue with anyones experience, but Iately, the perspective that makes sense to me is that ego can contaminate any enterprise, no matter how good or how many (or few) safeguards. with predators, who follow their own selfish egoic desires, their compulsions, addictions, prejudices or imagined fears (paranoia) can cause them to act without (listening to) a conscience & to carry out crimes against humankind, especially if they hold positions of power, whether it be money, high position of supposed authority, teachers, counselors priest/pastor/rabbi/guru/life coach, psychic, medium, professor, doctor, scientist, or whatever, to the degree they have a grandiose sense of entitlement, (an inflamed ego) they can be ruthless/ destructive/dangerous, especially when they have access to children or vulnerable people, being opportunists, that prey on their victims wherever they find them. there are genuine practitioners of many faiths & i don't think it's fair to condemn religion without taking into account individual responsibility, but "secret" societies would be a very good place to hide & therefore attractive for unscrupulous types to get away with their crimes.

[@lende5740]

God's message was stolen about 300 years after Jesus'death. Religion is useless Read the Bible and ask for guidance, then , hold on sister. Religious leaders will tell you things about the Bible that is simply not true. But the Bible don't lie nor does it contradict. It it the glory of God to conceal a matter. It is the glory of man to to seek a matter out.

[@ezequielv6390]

Ladies and gentleman, a youtube comment.

[@duncescotus2342]

@@ezequielv6390 That's supposed to mean you agree?

[@josejaviersoloveracano1558]

This documentary is loaded with mistakes: Opus Dei was not founded in Navarra, but rather in Madrid where the founder lived in 1928 and where the first members joined the organization. During the Spanish Civil War Opus Dei did not associate with Franco nor benefited from Navarra's special tax system, in fact during the Civil War Opus Dei was a pigmy organization with only a little group of members scattered around the country and thus just unknown and irrelevant to Franco . After five minutes of watching this rubbish I signed off I am not a member of Opus Dei but it annoys me to read variations about the same clichés and inaccuracies after so many years.

[@ShoJ369]

I agree with you completely, Still I suppose lies are needed along with scandal to draw people to watch this fabrication.

[@ignaciobh7370]

Franco, Franco, Franco, Franco... It`s so annoying when they try to relate everything with Franco, when modern day Spain has little to do with that Spain... We do struggle with similar problems, but politically and religiously this country is a completely different country, but I guess is easier to blame people from the past, rather to work for building a better future...

[@JadeReal]

Fully agree. DW do better!!!

[@civiltrialatty]

So Catholics know the "Present Pope” signed a deal w Xi and the CCP - the IBLiS / underwriters of UKR murder / partners with PUTiN (If he is still alive - MI6 reported PUTiN dead - guy we see is a CCP stand in - (not best scenario for strategic deterrence)) / genocidal killers of Muslims / scourge of humanity - and then he hosts PELOSi - the CCP traitor who waived in the CV19 flights for Xi and presently runs his obstruction of the semiconductor / US competitiveness legislation - Husband has smugly pocketed millions from the CCP - while the American people / people of faith around the world suffer. If your Catholic, maybe ask "hey - what are the terms of the deal we did with this evil dude Xi?" Or maybe ask "How much cash did PELOSi bring in"? I'm seeing bonds - 100 mill? Joke is “Xi calls Vatican and says “get my wh-re on the phone now” - operator asks “PELOSi or POPe”? But this is not a joke. IF YOU STAND FOR GOOD - HELP CLEAN THIS EVIL UP NOW. Serve GOD - NOT THIS POPE. People of faith MUST COME TOGETHER NOW and call out the evil and treason of our elites. We must TAKE ACTION and demand that the FBI holds traitors to account, no matter how high up they are. Otherwise, humanity will continue to suffer at the hand of evil - NOT THE WILL OF GOD.

[@ungas024]

It’s a German news network what do you expect? They even have gay bishops who want gay marriage legal, it’s always the Germans.

[@brendamyc3057]

These are the standard rules of religious life. It is normal to have an order of the day.

[@snbecker2000]

Not really!!!

[@snbecker2000]

Let’s not confuse rigidity and control with “order of the day”

[@almaroseschultz4991]

I’m 50year old and when I was a teenager I was kind of a troubled child. However I was raised going to church since the day I was born literally. However as a teenager my parents didn’t know what to do with me so they decided to send me to live with nuns that lived in a home they shared and also have known me since birth. The sisters had a scheduled everyday and that waking up early getting ready then having breakfast then praying 🙏🏼 the rosary going to the church and praying some more then going back to their home eat dinner and get ready for bed by 8 p. I looked forward to Sunday church cause my parents were in the choir. It was kinda scary only cause it was always quiet. Ok now I questioned them why they woke up so early then go to bed early. The five sisters would break some rules for me and take me to the movies 🍿 and take me to my parents so I can tell my momma why she left me there and she replied “I thought it would be nice for U and fix U. “ well I did learn the nuns never got nun. and learned to behave so I don’t have to go to church 5 times a week lol. Don’t get me wrong I love my God but I was a teenager. it’s 2weeks and my beautiful nuns needed a break from me. Lol. The point is I never saw these nuns stressed out or scared of the priests. Maybe it’s cause it’s different now. My beautiful nuns are all past away now and missed dearly. How ever I don’t understand how this could turn to a cult. How sad how people take advantage of the religion, for power n money.

[@sloeberdoet]

Religion is about power over another being. Always.

[@horizon-one]

Don't believe media so easily who are run by enemies of Christ and His Church - the Roman Catholic Church. This is not a 'cult'. Anyone who blindly believes the media is very naive and lacking in basic intelligence.

[@estherpat4227]

@@sloeberdoet it is your view... i am a religious Nun and am a Registered nurse. I have never asked for salary for I signed that whatever I earn should be used to educate orphans or pay hospital bills for those unable. I have my quiet time to pray and family and friends can visit for 1 hour week days or more over the weekend

[@andrewgrant7846]

@@sloeberdoet no thats not true always.

[@darthvader5300]

Opus Dei brainwashes the children and the very young people belonging to very wealthy and influential people and who are highly impressionable and easy to brainwash by Opus Dei to become puppets of this evil organization. The KGB-GRU has been monitoring and recording these nutcases for a very long time. And telling them not to get married by saying if you are devoted then you won't get married. Why? So that your money and all of your assets will go to them! That's why!

[@theresjndx4017]

I live in a Christian way and Opus Dei as what I know is not a sect. I have high respect for many of Catholic Priests and some Catholics for being a good example of Chritian living. I like DW but this in particular is misleading.

[@omnipotent3955]

Then u have zero knowledge of catholicism.

[@johncharleson8733]

What a surprise, yet another hit piece featuring 'progressive' collegiate types spouting modernist values.

[@janepurcell6747]

It's extraordinary that despite their supposedly innate superiority, the 'Numeraries' still have to have washing and cooking done for them by women servants, sorry, 'Assistant Numeraries'. I grew up catholic and most of the catholic men would have starved in a well-equipped kitchen.

[@MsDormy]

I’m reminded of that hilarious Father Ted episode, where the two priests are clueless in the kitchen when their housekeeper has a day off.

[@Juliobrem]

Why do yo reduce the domestic labors as a servant? Is a person homestay mom less valueable than a Walgreens manager? Is a women or men who has the duty to make a house into a HOME, less valuable than a lawyer?

[@lisahill182]

Not in this Catholic house😄 My husband was a cook when we met, and he decided all of our children needed to learn to cook even the boys! All of our kids know how to cook before leaving home. I love it!

[@richardgreene6810]

Perhaps. But most of the Catholic women wouldn't have well-equipped kitchens.

[@lisahill182]

@@richardgreene6810 True😂

[@jordel2010]

"Pride may be a mortal sin, but you're always sided with those in power..." -Evaristo Páramos. Excellent video 👏👍

[@hugodomingo3765]

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." - Alexander Pope

[@banquo80s99]

My own experience with Opus Dei in the Philippines is mostly very positive. I have personally benefited from it. OD helps spread the essence of the Church.

[@AlexandreOliveira1974]

@@whitelights2015 What is 'aways' in your perspective? Tell us what you know about it all and your historical sources if you wish, the free world would be glad to hear it.

[@peacefulandsensationworld6315]

The manipulative system are corrupted and shadow greedy criminals organization behind the system

[@josephgonzales1815]

@@whitelights2015 Yes, that is correct. Following Escriva's words, indoctrination into Opus Dei is an "inclined plane." Not everything is revealed all at once, if ever. Decades can sometimes pass before the member knows everything that they have committed themselves to. In this manner Opus Dei violates some fundamental rights of the recruits, including the right to informed consent, the right to information, and the right of conscience.

[@banquo80s99]

I dont understand what you're asking me. I am not a member of OD in the Phils but I have the pleasure of working in an institituion that is inspired by it. I am friends with and colleagues to a lot of Filipino numeraries and supernumeraries of OD and I find most of them happy and very faithful to the Magisterium of the Church. I have no historical source to cite, my experience with OD in the Phils is, I think, the best in terms of my Catholicism. I personally got myself better as a person, as a Christian,as father and husband because of what OD-Phils has imparted to me. It's personal.

[@LMB222]

How much does OD pay per comment?

[@nathanngumi8467]

This documentary is a pretty one-sided hit piece. Opus Dei, like many Catholic organizations, has done much good in the world which is not public knowledge which could have been highlighted more than just casual remarks in passing. That said, the charism of St. Josemaria Escriva, sanctity in ordinary life, was and remains valid today in these spiritually tumultuous times. It may be true that the original objectives of Opus Dei have been sidetracked by politics, wealth-building or other considerations. If this is the case then there should be a return to the roots.

[@teresabaker-carl9668]

Opus Dei isn’t the only corrupted group in the Catholic Church, assuming they are corrupt, there are many, many corrupt groups in the Church. Certainly not all are corrupt, but the German bishops are, and the Masons have infiltrated the Vatican. It does make me wonder who’s telling this tale, and are they enemies or relatives?

[@mariogatus5016]

The Mission of Opus Dei is the sanctification of work & the christianization of society . Joining Opus Dei is not trap.

[@ianmcdonald8648]

'good works' are a facade just like in Free masonry, or Islam, or Buddhism, or Hinduism. It is a sanitising agent to sell a product called enlsavement to men in religous cloaks. There is nothing holy about such organizations, except in title only.

[@proculusjulius7035]

like bringing paedophile priests and nuns to justice? yeah I think not...

[@timebot000]

@@proculusjulius7035 ...finally, it's so obvious..

[@POLITEONWUHAFUA]

Want I know about OD having been a Cooperator for more than 20 years is the opposite of what I have heard so far from this platform. I have always tried to apply the teachings of OD which to me is core for Christian living- THE CHRIST - whereever you are at work or elsewhere. Glory to Jesus and honour to our mother Mary!

[@rochellecaffee3267]

It is one thing if one chooses this type of life, and a whole other thing to be pressured or manipulated into it. “God loves a cheerful giver...He desires mercy and not sacrifice “.

[@davidromero1018]

Not everybody is called to be a monk and not everybody is called to be a nun many are called but few are chosen God has given you freedom you could choose whatever vocation you want

[@vivekapihl5179]

The thing is that Opus Dei lay members don't have a status of religious life in the Canon law, not even the numerary members. They should know entering that they don't have any legal position in the Canon law nor in the secular law. The obedience and all they are expected to do in Opus Dei, is their private choice and they themselves are responsibles of their life. When you enter to real canonical religious life, the Canon law defines your rights, as your obligaations.

[@penoymanila8544]

Thank u for these video. N God bless u n protect you

[@2010Bangie]

The government of the Central Bank in Kenya is an Opus Dei member and reportedly gave up his salary for the poor when appointed. My aunt is Opus Dei. I really appreciate that none of the member I know try to convert me, I find that very annoying with some Christians groups. That said, religious freedom and diversity in Kenya like many Africann countries is very, very normal and you have everyone from Africanists to Muslims and Christians. Thankfully, we don't have the kind of madness like in tthe west where some don't want to allow religious people freedom or the other extreme such as in the US where some religious groups don't allow anyone to have their say. I have known Opus Dei members and one the best universities in Kenya and Schools are owned by them. They accept everyone but the dress code and discipline are emphasized. This is a very interesting documentary. As I understand it, this is one of goals the members have - to integrate in society and it's quite OK. Could it be that some of these sects are more strict where they originate than in other areas? I think of Jehovas Witnesses too as the ones I know in Kenya aren't as strict - why? Anyway, wishing you peace and tolerance.

[@commscompany1502]

Interesting point

[@longatsos]

I had a colleague, an opus dei member who had 4 babies before she was 28. A graduate with a husband who is a lawyer. This is because contraception was completely forbidden.

[@jeannettejordan7104]

It is not possible to understand Opus Dei from the outside as is evident from this program. I’m not a Catholic but as I hear criticism of Christianity in general those who don’t practice never come close to the truth about this belief system.

[@adadzomer1874]

When DW criticizes you, you must be on good path, thank you for giving insight about it, I am interested in joining

[@alexmader7930]

Good to see topics like this being covered. I personally feel as though this documentary is way too sensational, and it is a little too far-reaching in its interpretations and conclusions. You can essentially boil the documentary down to Opus Dei is a very conservative Catholic religious group within the larger group of Christians. Like saying how Opus Dei plotted the death of one of their members - seemed like gaslighting to me rather than good journalism. And to follow up with the organization pursuing what I am assuming is executorship of the will is not uncommon. My uncle was a Jehovah's Witness and those awful, manipulative people made a play for his will at his wake - like literally over his dead body. These things are unfortunately fairly common with groups in general. All this coverage of Opus Dei to me is acknowledging the obvious - that Christianity has its ultra conservative members who wish to have influence in a secular society. Evangelical Christians are like this all over the USA, so I don't really get the hype about Opus Dei. Like, you could probably make a more convincing argument with the Knights of Columbus, rather than Opus Dei. As a Roman Catholic, I can say that my church struggles to get me in the pew every Sunday. They don't have as much influence as the media makes you think. Tik Tok or Jeff Bezos have more control over your everyday life than the Catholic Church. And if you're paranoid about religious zealots taking over the government, Catholics should be low on the list. The KKK (who persecuted Catholics) had influence in Washington into the 20th century. They are protestants... sorry... Evangelicals. Just saying.

[@gariochsionnach2608]

... yes well said. This is a little twisted docum about the Opus, that seems to spring up now & then, consisting of bits & pieces presented without the context & proportion, without exercise of sound professional judgement, etc ... seems like a hack of a hatchet job. ... of course, an orthodoxy, faithfulness, etc, are conservative, and what is wrong with that ipso facto? ... and what is wrong with authority? If you belong to any group, you have to accept the authority that define the group. In everyday life, there is the authority of the law, etc. What is wrong with the Authority of Christ? Let the modern world not forget that being a Christian, by this fact the person is suppose to accept the Authority of Christ "in heaven and on earth," not her private opinion / private "self-determination" ... this should be very well known, it is all over the Bible, especially the Gospels. If the "Sheep" cannot hear His (Christ's) Voice, ie, cannot accept His Authority, then it just means, she is not His ... Very disappointed at DW Documentary in this case. There had been so many truly informative & engaging videos. Wonder what is the proximate impetus & objective for this smear campaign?

[@geopoliticsnerd213]

It's already reality hear in America, shoeless zealots are in our SCOTUS and dictating what millions of American should and shouldn't, all because of bible says that and this, we have to expand our scotus justices, or dethrone the current extremists.

[@margaretford1011]

I have no idea how believable this video is, but Clarence Thomas’s recent SCOTUS rulings have freaked me out enough to watch this video…. He’s Catholic, apparently now in league with the evangelicals to destroy the idea of separation of church and state upon which our country was built. Zealots of any religion are hazardous to the world’s health, I think.

[@CrocodileWhispers]

You had me until you said KKK had influence on Washington…. Which is ironic since you just described this documentary as “sensationalist” and then you make this complete sensationalist claim about the KKK. The most control the KKK ever exerted was over Indiana and that was short lived and it died out very quickly after the leader murdered a woman

[@sylvan186]

Very objective comment. I agree 💯. Social media has more and growing, subtle and mostly negative influence than these religious organizations.

[@louisaccardi2268]

Is this a smear job on this organization? I don't trust this video and think it doesn't reflect some of the actual facts and meanings to their practices.

[@rdc2021]

I agree, Opus Dei is not a cult as many are concluding in the comments of this video. Opus Dei is a Order within the Catholic Church, a branch from the Parent institution .

[@sweettoothmarie7304]

So true...this was meant to tarnish.

[@louisaccardi2268]

@@rdc2021 The Church has many organizations and ministries. Different groups have different rules of life for their organization. Some are stricter than others.

[@rdc2021]

@@louisaccardi2268 yes, true but they are still Catholic groups belonging to the Lager Church, cults generaly dont belong to another larger group

[@teenafogarty1534]

Guys it's a cult, it's a cult, it's a cult.

[@thedeepdiveprojectofficial]

Bravo for giving this topic the ol' college try! Presenting Opus Dei in a comprehensive manner is a tall order. You hit a lot of the highlights though, and I appreciate the fact that you spent time addressing the experiences of those who had been involved and ultimately left. These individuals (I think of them as survivors) are the canaries in the coal mine that is Opus Dei.

[@dodgersfan7096]

How so?

[@r.daillee1034]

@@dodgersfan7096 Do you have to diligently practice your stupidity or does it come naturally?

[@hugodomingo3765]

Listening to a few disaffected people doesn't tell the entire story. You listen to one person complaining and think it paints the whole picture. ... You are repeating what other people say. It shows how little you know.

[@paulkazibacharles]

"Love and Mercy" needs to be redefined by Opus Dei.

[@spanishdancer6221]

They tried to recruit me as a high school student. I stopped going after two weeks. The minutiae of rules, how to talk, how to walk, how to think was controlling and stifling. It wasn't for me.

[@gerardogascon4048]

Yo we would love to know your experience if u have the time! Back n 2016, I got invited to a freemason dinner....but I felt something weird. So I just continued on my career and never looked back

[@clare_jordin]

@@gerardogascon4048 Freemasonry is completely different thing that doesn't even come close to this. It is forbidden in the Catholic Church.

[@anthonyfernandes2455]

that doesn't make it a cult

[@jess99912]

They were not recruiting you. They just want to help you become a better version of yourself.

[@teenafogarty1534]

@@jess99912 they were recruiting, and this is how they do it

[@prepperjonpnw6482]

Nothing in the Da Vinci Code was accurate or even true, especially concerning Opus Dei lol. I can’t believe they even mentioned it lol

[@MsStack42]

No, no ! It's FULL of albino priests, didn't you know ?

[@isaiah3872]

People seem to forget it's a work of fiction

[@arnowisp6244]

@@isaiah3872 That's the problem. The Author kept insisting the information was true.

[@LudiCrust.]

That’s not the point…

[@proculusjulius7035]

they didn't use the da Vinci code as a source only merely mentioned it contributed to the dei sect stepping into the light.

[@sclark9011]

Oh what complex webs they weave when they seek to lie, defraud and decieve.

[@elitiller8623]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="646">10:46</a> No. We don't recognize this as the person we have come to know over the course of decades. It is uncanny though.

[@mariapizzolante6240]

Con total seguridad digo que El Opus Dei es una institución De la Iglesia que no tiene fines políticos ni temporales. Soy fiel a ella desde hace 38 años Y me ha ayudado a vivir mas cerca de Dios y de los demás.

[@teenafogarty1534]

You can do this without someone taking your freedom, money and sanity

[@kennyinliverpool]

A lot of this is public information, not secret.

[@arrylambertus5459]

I'm so grateful to God for I am an Agnostic. Greeting from me here in Bandung, Indonesia

[@jtg3765]

To me, the problem does not seem to be the rules, obedience (unless commanded into a sin), and penitential practices - if one doesn't like an organization, don't join it. The problem with this group is that one seems to be love bombed and drawn into a world one didn't expect or anticipate with full knowledge and freedom of choice. Also, whatever compels one to stay out of fear or guilt or fearing the loss of one's salvation is also a far cry from other organizations, however severe and penitential, but where one is free to leave and advocated to leave if one is not up for the lifestyle.

[@martinkent333]

PARANOIA IS FUN, EH?

[@minui8758]

Absolutely bang on from my point of view having lived in their London house for a year. Took me several years to feel comfortable enough to go back to the sacraments and regular catholic life after

[@adampowell5376]

The love of money is the root of all evil.

[@xelaphilia]

Hating the rich is not the answer.

[@garyblanch7775]

Okay. Try and live without money. The LOVER of money is the problem...not the money!

[@roberteaston6413]

I wonder about FBI traitor, Robert Hannesen. He was a member of Opus Dei. He sold out his country for money. He had everybody fooled.

[@hellepost1439]

Scientolgy🚩

[@adampowell5376]

@@hellepost1439 Yes. The last time I had a conversation with a scientologist he was honest enough to admit that it was about money.

[@luissanchezcald]

As a member for 2 years and knowing Opus Dei for 25 years (since I was 4 years old), I find a lot of wrong information. It doesn’t support for the public debate to show false data.

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

Then help us, please: give us right information.

[@matteofrondoni6859]

@@ane-louisestampe7939 I've found the wikipedia article about Opus Dei very informative; to hear the "other side" having a look at their webpage is also interesting... hope it helps!

[@joelkaben]

So tell us what you know @Luis Sanchez and why you are a member.

[@samyohang4421]

I really want to know true facts I have been curious about it since I read the novel the da Vinci code by Dan Brown

[@dylanoneil5417]

@@samyohang4421 it’s not that difficult just read the Wikipedia page or watch an actually documentary that isn’t biased trying to spin a specific narrative. Edit: here, copy pasted this real quick off the page for you.. However, according to several journalists who have researched Opus Dei separately, many criticisms against Opus Dei are based on fabrications by opponents.

[@kathleendawnhall9130]

I used to pray with Opus Dei in the 1970’s and 1980’s we had a statue of our Lady which went around the homes of Opus Dei members, I used to read the book written from their founder. In our parish in outer western Sydney our priest was very male only no woman should walk on the alter, read, or give out communion, I used to work for the government in my section I had a male who was in Opus Dei, he would sit at his desk in trances, praying. When our department was located in the city most of my floor would go up the hill to mass, not mr T. I shifted to Melbourne in 1995 new parish, those coming to live in the area worked out a plan how we could help run the parish. So we began to have readers, give out communion. I stopped reading the Opus Dei book, women participated in all areas,we held social events where every house hold bought a dish. Amongst us were Maltese migrants,Chinese migrants later on our South African friends. We had a big fete on earth year where every person in the parish did something,

[@rbbadrina1]

The life of St. Ignatius of Loyola would help us understand the importance that everything is a means to an end and the end is to praise, reverence, and serve God. The rules should not be the end in itself. I remember a Director of Opus Dei once told me that this charism is not for everyone but I was surprised that leaving the "work" may lead to pressure among members who stayed. I do not know if this is also the same case here in the Philippines.

[@karenburrows9184]

A little off-topic, there, Robert. How you bring the Jesuits into this work on Opus Dei is a mystery to me. And no, not everyone and everything exists to follow those rules you mention. Everyone should be free to follow their God or no god as they please.

[@rbbadrina1]

@@karenburrows9184 Hi Karen, I just mentioned here my own experience which may not be true for others, and by no means I am not also requiring it to others especially to non believers. I am not sure if you are familiar with the Ignatian spirituality which proposes for believers that they can find God in all things.

[@karenburrows9184]

@@rbbadrina1 Hi Robert. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I was raised in the Catholic religion and received my education from them. In fact, my parish in my youth was St. Ignatius of Loyola and it was Jesuit. I fell away from Catholic beliefs after a conflict of beliefs with my parish priests and the general attitude of the church towards women. I know the history of Ignatius and his founding of the Jesuit order; but I also know that the traditional beliefs of the order were vastly different from those you have pointed out in modern Ignatian spirituality. The old order were known as the 'soldiers of Christ' for their aggressive missionary work among other militaristic endeavours, lasting centuries. It seems the new beliefs are more encompassing and compassionate; albeit requiring a belief in Christ per the tenets of the Catholic church. Although I practice another set of beliefs now, I appreciate having my misconceptions corrected whenever possible. I wish you peace.

[@rbbadrina1]

@@karenburrows9184 thank you also, I was a Jesuit novice before that is why I share to you these things, in addition when I was in college I used to attend sessions in an Opus dei center. Those are the experiences I am coming from. I also wish you peace.

[@evelynmilne4683]

I was wondering if Opus Dei was founded in opposition to the Free Masons.

[@richardgreene6810]

If that's the case, then it would have been centuries too late. So, I doubt it.

[@chrismichaels2856]

Absolutely nothing to do with FM . . another complete myth of OD which this documentary only fostered more of

[@rudra62]

No. The group formed in opposition to the Free Masons is the Knights of Columbus - who are about as secret as a soccer match.

[@abigailmpofu4210]

No they are one and the same ... They all have 1 master. The devil himself.

[@Godfrey544]

@@abigailmpofu4210 everything is demonic except for Pastor Jim's presbytarian twice removed reformed lutheran parish?

[@titti646]

Now I can see where Scientology is coming from... Striking similarities

[@jeanm3178]

All roads lead to Rome

[@michellekaufmann978]

Opus Dei has nothing to do with Scientology. Please don't base your opinion on a one sided documentary. People leave Opus Dei every day and are not punished for it. They are free to go.

[@hugodomingo3765]

Aleister Crowley created Scientology. Good documentary.

[@hugoevans8287]

I do not support Opus Dei and have discovered how powerful and dangerous they really are. They can influence anything and anyone everywhere.

[@anamariamadau6602]

Like a Supreme Court, hmm?

[@francanarsie]

I am sure that opinion is formed by personal experience right?

[@hugoevans8287]

Yes I’ve gone and going through a nightmare

[@hugoevans8287]

If you know how I can deal with a situation, then I’m open to ideas

[@francanarsie]

@@hugoevans8287 situation regarding Opus Dei ?

[@canetu]

you can identify someone from their silhouette, hands and voice pretty easily and an organisation like @DW Documentary should be more careful when using images and voices of their sources unless they want them to be exposed

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

Much more than her silhouette was shown--all they did was blur her face, but not nearly enough. Anyone who knows her will recognize her instantly. This is not how you protect a source.

[@AlexandreOliveira1974]

One thing is what one says (and even acts). ANOTHER thing is what one aims. Who's more powerful: OpusDei or Globalist MSM outlets worldwide-brotherhood? Late years' Social agendas and health procedures can tell... DW is MSM Media, Government-owned... rest assued they are like a BANK: not even one blink is un-studied, un-aimed. They are DISHONEST, tend to always watch BEHIND their curtains.

[@matildamarmaduke1096]

A God don't need your money or worship or dedication these are things man needs to be powerful Just a higher class of thug the worst of the worst of preditors

[@misskeirstin6355]

@@matildamarmaduke1096 According to the Bible yeah the church needs your money so they can pay their bills and help the community. If people didn’t tithe or donate to the church how would it pay bills? And it says we serve a jealous God, and yes who wants to be worshipped. 😂 hell what Bible are you reading? If any.

[@onyenke6214]

I thought as much

[@HansBBJJ]

Definitely got the boomer feels this docu

[@tirzhaprinsloo2774]

To obey is to obey according to the Word of God and listen to man make rules and choose which is best for you as a person.

[@catana.2927]

so basically authoritarianism, we should all go back to noble or peasant, what a great idea.

[@theprayingcitizen7441]

The worst mistake with humanity is. Laziness to seek knowledge and worse still apply it

[@afwalker1921]

The position of numerary (as opposed to the supernumeraries) in Opus Dei reminds me of the Cathars and the category of Parfait within their order. Am I wrong to think this ironic? Nihil novem sub solem!!!

[@huntforberries]

Just started watching and the comment section is riddled with comments correcting the documentary and pointing out misleading errors 😂 This is going to be fun

[@Eidelmania]

That's how you know the doc is onto something.

[@kaewakoyangi8071]

Or rather that it is just another organized libel.

[@fernandomiller884]

@@Eidelmania uh...sorry, but if that was true, any "doc" going against any scientific method, for exemple, would be "onto something"... because hundreds of people would come to the comment section to correct it... docs do commit lots of mistakes, and do have a bias... it is important to listen/read to those with a diferent opinion, specially those who do know the matter... even if, after that, you still disagree with then... (and I hate opus dei...)

[@dayerotth8273]

And 1 once a year ago drink the blood and eat the flesh.

[@dayerotth8273]

Master Jesus and Buddha teachings About suffering physical pain is not necessary.

[@lodewijklangeweg742]

“This is the work in which we may be doing the works of Christ, for even our very believing in Christ is the work of Christ. It is this He works in us, not certainly without us.” ~St. Augustine, Homilies on John, Tractate 72, 2

[@jacqqulen9106]

Corruption is everywhere. Clergy aren't deities but it still embarrassing how distant they're with God considering their positions.

[@vetsailene]

I'm a Christian and not catholic. The thing is all organization have flaws and have some form of power abuse. And all types of people are there like society. And its really tricky when a MAN is representing the message of God. I'm just saying It is just so hard to be a christian in any context because it seems that we are not allowed to make mistakes, and will be heavily judged by people who are skeptics. that don't realize they are disrespectful. it is really tricky. The Church is full of broken people and gradually in phase of changes. Christians are imperfect people too who also do their best to be better people.

[@cadenceblackburn9205]

exactly 💯. love from a singaporean christian ❤️

[@cd3881]

It is not that tricky...well it is a whole lot less tricky when People read and study the Scriptures and stop listening to man as the arbiters of what Bible truth is. It is not that easy to be mislead if you read, know and study the Scriptures...go in search of truth and not blindly accept what Man tell you. Wisdom, discernment, knowledge and understanding comes from Holy Spirit. It's the Guide from God🤷🏿‍♀️

[@elianamingo1522]

Really? Jesus Christ walked a perfect life here on earth so if christians are claiming him as their leader, they should be perfect as he is.

[@cadenceblackburn9205]

@@elianamingo1522 nope

[@Wanamaker1946]

I think it’s easy to be a Christian. It’s the hoquous pockous that’s hard to do. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with Opus Dei. They would never take me, so I’m safe. In the USA, the Rosary is considered racist. Have we ever heard something as silly as this?

[@toni4729]

I can't get over it. The more and more I learn about religion the less it appeals to me. I've never had anything to do with any religion although I have read the Bible. I just can't get used to the idea that people actually take this crap seriously.

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

Isn't that the truth!

[@carmensavu5122]

Hear hear!

[@abigailmpofu4210]

Oh my God. YOU WILL MEET YOUR WORDS AND THE ONLY WORDS YOU WILL SAY IS" MOUNTAIN FALL ON ME"

[@hugodomingo3765]

You let a documentary with conspiracy theory music influence your thoughts and beliefs?

[@zadeodoyo7011]

How do you expect Opus Dei to be a secular organization?

[@alisong2328]

I had some Spanish colleagues over before their return to Spain. As they left, Inma put Opus Dei leaflets into my hands and told me to pray to Josemaria Escriva to find a husband! I was speechless! We had never discussed anything personal. I had never spoken about my marital state or the desire to get married.

[@anamariamadau6602]

Did you get a husband by praying to a dead person?

[@Earthbound369]

OMG how insulting!

[@anamariamadau6602]

@@Earthbound369 how?

[@Earthbound369]

@@anamariamadau6602 They just assumed she wanted/needed a husband, without asking her.

[@anamariamadau6602]

Oh. I read it as she was impressed with their psychic powers.

[@musamusa3767]

I have and am still a member . I joined freely and I have never been forced to do anything! You are only encouraged to live your lives to the fullest giving glory to God.Even those who have left they do so freely and most of them continue attending various activities organized by the Work! Retreats, Recollections to name but afew . From where I sit, don’t believe everything you watch or listen from the net!

[@willgridahmahiaini]

They only find themselves in position of power because they're excellent in the work they do

[@marcosguariso]

Don't disconsider the experience of other people, many, who were psychologically forced into this organization...

[@Apes2man]

How the church handled the molestation of children makes them untrustworthy.

[@om-nj2hw]

How people subject themselves to this is just mind boggling

[@phillipmorris4555]

If born catholic it may seem a way to serve God not ourselves....so I understand their point of view but I am a prodenstant to the core.

[@carmenburgos1616]

First of its not the people , it’s actually the unfortunate reality of the human mind into finding security in this world , worst part of What people teaxh a Generational curse of Parents teaching this crap to kids and so on and so on …!! And still the Power of Men coming after other men … How violent the heart of men are to always enslave someone else ..!!’ It’s all madness ..!

[@aleccullen2696]

@@phillipmorris4555 I used to be a Prodenstant too until I had treatment for dyslexia. Now that I'm Prefect, I can do nothing wrong.

[@TheRealDeal130]

They usually prey on the innocent, lonely and vulnerable. It's about brainwashing and control through fear, dependence and humiliation.

[@janettedavis6627]

Australia had free college and university education when I was young but today its very expensive students finishing college start work with huge debts. A Catholic woman predicted about 4 months ago that a famous man well known to the world would be assassinated She doesnt live anywhere near Japan she certainly didnt kill Shinzo Abe. We had Nuns at school some were cruel Bitches obviously shouldn't have been in the convent , others were very saintly I must say. I'm putting comments about a few issues mentioned in the video .

[@giovannimarcos2179]

I wonder how did this went through the DW's editorial review.

[@freshdew]

Lol this 'documentary' is full of ominous music when describing opus-dei, how about just presenting the facts and staying neutral and objective rather than try to up the dramatics to convey some biased point of view.

[@cd3881]

If they presented the documentary on pedophilia you all would still think they were being bias when in fact this is an issue in the Catholic churches a d the wicked act of shuffling pedophiles from one parish to another to continue the evil disgusting act that is neither of God nor Jesus Christ...behaviors they would never encourage or condone. Stop closing your eyes to the truth. The truth may be a tough swallow for many but you can't hide from it when it is steering you right in the eyes and is right under your nose🤷🏿‍♀️

[@jeclipse129]

Exactly. Compare and contrast with their Muslim documentaries.

[@srdjanstevanovic3543]

Opus dei is not religious sect, it is en organisation within a Catholic church.This is deliberately misleading.I am not a catolic, but but i dislike propaganda of any kind .

[@imeldaareola3579]

Thank you for this clarification. I definitely agree with you. This is misleading, inspired by the enemy of the Catholic Church and God.

[@matteofrondoni6859]

I totally agree, thank you for clarifying

[@rursus8354]

It is a cult in the larger cult of the Catholic church.

[@Mahler2332]

the recruitment methods prove otherwise :D

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

liar liar pants on fire.

[@albertfuertes2794]

Just to start, Opus Dei can’t be described as a sect, sorry. And many things on the video are not true. Sure is not for everyone, but do you really want to know what Opus Dei is? Super easy: just find out where the nearest center is, go there, and ask whatever you want.

[@Uros141]

Hey Albert, we would all appreciate if you could share more information on the topic, since you are saying many things in this video are not true. I'm sure you have reliable info and that you are an expert on the matter, so can you share some info on Opus Dei?

[@judithgallegos1748]

I was an English teacher at an Opus Dei school in Madrid in the 1960's. Although I never joined the OD, I was never pressured to join. I found the people I worked with to be incredibly nice and professional. I spent many years in Spain and married a Spaniard. During those years I met a lot of their memebers and was close friends with many. There are bad apples in every organization. All we have to do is look at the Vatican. The smoke of Satan is blinding many. I will continue to be a conservative Catholic in spite of all the evil that is going on. We do know how the story ends.

[@Uros141]

@@judithgallegos1748 How does the story end? Are we talking about bible ending, like end of the world, Noah ark type of thing or? Will that be prevented by the work of Opus Dei?

[@judithgallegos1748]

@@Uros141 I was referring to the second coming of Christ and Revelation. I do not speak for the Opus Dei. Nothing will prevent Christ from returing.

[@Uros141]

@@judithgallegos1748 Christ is taking his sweet time to return. Let me know when Christ returns so I can ask him a couple of questions. Talk to you later. Still waiting on Albert to give me some pointers on Opus Dei.

[@elijahmwiti7849]

It is easy.. when intelligent people dedicate themselves for a cause… with strict discipline…such organizations be it religious or secular will rise and rise …they will be powerful… wealthy and influential….

[@abiola4710]

This member's wish for anonymity ( <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="645">10:45</a> ) is already blown open. I can easily tell exactly who she is by the camera angles.

[@MusicLusber]

I find this very fishy! If Mr. J came to save us, why all this nonsense about suffering and pain? He should have stayed at home because after he left... came all this hatred (crusades, inquisitions, wars, discriminations, abuses, rapes, suffering, etc.) Nothing good for our humanity. Did he really come to save us or to destroy us? Or are all those religious groups/septs/cults using his name in vain?

[@Wulture]

They are selling his name for their own wallets

[@leemcr1894]

Not trying to defend the awful events carried out by people in the "name of God, Jesus, religion etc"? But Jesus's message was love, and never ever asked people to do the things you mentioned. That's human beings, just saying.

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

" I have come to bring the SWORD, not PEACE!"

[@veronica_._._._]

@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 And Mhmd?

[@sueprator9314]

OMG. SAD FOR YOU. DON'T OVERANALYZE IT. JUST LISTEN TO YOUR HEART AND FIND YOUR OWN GOD SOURCE in the Universe. Everything happens for a reason. People cycle onto the Planet to work out problems. We all do. All we can do is play our part like in a play. You will live again and when you cross over you will get it.

[@thomasjhenniganw]

I am not in favor of Opus Dei, however, I would like to know if DW has made a documentary on the heretical "Synodal Way! that is taking place in Germany.

[@alexs.5107]

No they wouldn't make one because what the heretical "Synodal Way'' is doing is in perfect harmony with the will of the secular world. What they want is to transform the catholic church into another worldly organisation that push for liberal views like so called ' homosexual marriages', abortion and transgederism. DW has demonised Opus Dei, Don't listen to them.

[@AnonymouslyTweetin]

Excellent question

[@Anna-ot2zj]

This self-mortification stuff puts me off. And if a person has a lifelong illness, any form of mortification is a mortal sin. Live well and keep your body in good order: that's the saintly way imho.

[@ilonag7839]

I know many Opus Dei members and they do live good lives and are supportive of everyone they meet! It’s not a cult! If you want to understand their mission and values do your own research :)

[@xavierpaololedesmamandreza]

Of course. They would only show you their Best Selves on the Outside. That what a Cult usually does.

[@francanarsie]

As a priest, I have been with them on retreats and have had two spiritual directors from Opus Dei. My best friend from high school is a member. I came to know them very well when I was in school in Rome as well as here in the US. Much of what is said here is not truthful whatsoever.

[@antondelacruz9362]

This is dw after all. The only good religious order or priest for them would be one which espouses contemporary progressive values. I wouldnt be surprised if they made a docu about progressive priests who dont believe God exists.

[@dhaliiab.4409]

I totally agree with you, Father.

[@johnbasiglone1219]

Matthew 23:9! Go ahead an reconcile this priest.

[@francanarsie]

@@johnbasiglone1219 St. Paul referred to himself as a "father" and this title was used from the beginning of Christianity. It also said to call no man "teacher." I hope you never referred to your biological father well as your father. Use common sense and study Church history.

[@cadenceblackburn9205]

@@francanarsie thanks for your hard work, sir 🙏✨

[@prisillakimani3590]

In my country our central bank govenor is in this branch he has done well in our country he is sober and has withstand alot! So I am abit bias here since the one I know has been good!

[@123keniakiki]

You what? How much has Njoroge paid you for this?

[@prisillakimani3590]

@@123keniakiki You have issues with your self go face your demons and leave my comment alone! If you dont like its scroll and refrain from commenting!I said I am biased kama huelewi siwezikuku saidia.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@prisillakimani3590 his Character according to you is formed by being an OD? Isn't it possible for a man to be like Njoroge without OD?

[@jamesbrean8004]

I'm a registered baptized catholic I'm very grateful to be blessed by god

[@kforest2745]

There’s a reason why behavioural corruption is high today but I don’t have time to note it right now. It goes all the way back to when laws were first made.

[@magdalenaglas7790]

"Will the Jewish people love a 45 year old, catholic, polish women as their Jewish Messiah" That's how I already revealed myself back in October. My name is MAGDALENA this time. If that's not enough proof that JESUS was a Messiah then there is another one. Everything God showed me and told me happened outside. GOD IS NOT INSIDE THE CHURCHES. TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW😥🙏🕊🕊🕊

[@rrymo4079]

Hello were are you from

[@magdalenaglas7790]

@Irving Shekelstein What you want me to tell you? About the "CORONAVIRUS " conspiracy?

[@diesenutss]

They also own most of the religious schools in the U.S. Just in case you might be wondering why the SCOTUS judges (multiple of which are linked to Opus Dei) just made it law that the federal government must fund religious schools.

[@arxsyn]

WTF what happened to separation to church and state? Thought about this all day. Abortion bans all across USA: indentured BONDAGE for reproductive purposes. Surrogacy and adoption are BYWORDS for sex trafficking. WHAT IS THE LEGALITY OF A LAW THAT DEALS DEMONSTRABLE IMMEDIATE HARM TO WOMEN? Republicans gaslighting America that gun regulation doesn't work, the solution is always yet more guns. They are done pandering to the evangelicals, but how they are going to control a population boom? Oh right, advocate more human killing machines. MAKES ME PHYSICALLY SICK

[@gerardogascon4048]

They deserve to pay as much as all of us does!

[@deepakgeorge5871]

Thanks for admitting that US Democracy is a joke..Advise US to stop promoting this version of flawed democracy to other stable countries.. Examples are plenty of your country messing working countries.. Afghanisthan, Iraq, Syria..etc..Discern and desist urge to promote democracy..You are incapable before you have proper democracy yourselves..

[@KristinaTurnerUS]

My family from hell that stole credit for my property and legal and medical rights and everything I have done.

[@dstew8540]

There is approximately 30 Jesuit colleges in the USA. Not sure how many K-12 exist, but they are here as well. Trump attended a Jesuit K-12 system and a Jesuit college. There are also MANY Judiasm, Islamic, and other faith driven schools throught the USA. The private schools do NOT have teacher unions therefore things the public school systems FORCE on students and parents due to the State politicians and State Teachers Union is removed from the equation. The only risk I see with this Federal funding is it's an attempt to control the private schools like they have been controlling the public school system. Some of the smarter or the more financially stable private schools may decide that accepting the Federal funding is NOT worth it, just like 10 States rejected the HUGE Federal funding that was linked to Bill Gates (A Rockefeller) COMMON CORE disaster which has successfully dumb-downed the American youth. That is exactly what it was intended to do. The ONLY way the State's who jumped on board with it and quickly excepted BILLIONS in Federal funding, who wanted out when their schools, teachers, and parents realized how horrible it was, could ONLY opt out by paying the BILLIONS in Federal Funding Back. Approx. 8-10 years ago, 40 States joined forces to get out of Gates Common Core, and it was determined that if most of them returned the BILLIONS in Federal funding their State would go bankrupt. If I was running a private religious school I would think twice before accepting one cent from the US Federal Govt. because you can rest assured there is an AGENDA attached that funding.

[@waltherhoffman6310]

I thought that this organization existed only in Dan Brown's book "Da Vinci Code".

[@womanofcharacter]

I know members and this is nothing like what the group is. Maybe higher up in the ranks, but nothing like this lower down the chains at all.

[@dhaliiab.4409]

DW, I suggest you invite OD spokespersons or its faithful, so to give the other side a chance - that would be your chance to show your objective journalism. THANK YOU

[@Itsallinyourheadmhm]

They literally did and it’s part of he documentary….

[@The12thSeahorse]

Yes, the documentary is one sided.

[@arnowisp6244]

This is exactly why I never trust these "documentaries". Rarely are they ever objective. If anything, journalist themselves admit that such Objectivity is "impossible".

[@acfatemi]

I don’t recognise Opus Dei in this report. I have friends in opus dei for more than 30 years , three who left after a few year - totally without drama though it of course was a disappointment for their fellow numerarias. At one stage I asked to become à supernumeraria. Members recieve a thourough education in theology & philosophy and more. Not many are admitted to this extensive, ambitious program; I wasn’t. Still, I enjoy very much to visit a center when I have the opportunity.

[@danesovic7585]

The groups that hold real power in the society are the ones you're scared to criticize openly. By definition, Opus Dei is not one of them. Which group are you absolutely not allowed to criticize in Germany tho?

[@mariekatherine5238]

You’re right on that one. A friend of mine is persona non grata in Germany for raising a question with the wrong person.

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

You must be joking. These people are terrified to speak openly.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Ah yes, children with leukoma rule our world In my country Catholic Church has huge influence on politics. They're also being constantly ctiricized. But no matter what they have so much power the criticism changes nothing

[@adadzomer1874]

Bad goyim

[@StevenDAugerSr]

It's hard for people to understand these days that we either die and are relieved of the trials and tribulations of this planet or we are born again into something else with no memories of our past experiences and begin another experience of trials and tribulations as we are slowly but surely growing consciously pure. There has to be places for the ones on their way out of this world as there are places for those who are either beginning to seek and those who are walking blindly.

[@nono-bt8gy]

I am surprised. The documentary cited Da Vinci Code but forgot to mention Star Wars among the valid historical sources.

[@johncharleson8733]

You forgot to mention Star Trek---are you trying to cover something up?

[@lizziesangi1602]

@ nono First intelligent fact I've heard about the da vinci code 👏🏼👏👏🏽

[@lizziesangi1602]

@@johncharleson8733 LMAO

[@ItsMasonic]

It wasn’t citing Da Vinci code because of factual resource, they were citing it due to how it made it famous from the Movie. And just like every Mafia Churches they are all the same…Cult n Money.

[@RankinMsP]

If that was a joke, you failed.

[@bugsnapoles3635]

Opus D here are well connected in finance, bussiness, government and the church heirarchy. They can sway our government to award bigmoney projects to their favored contractors. Our finance ministers have been members of Opus D. But they are quite as a mouse. They avoid media but they have very strong influence with media. Its a "secret syndicate".

[@isrberlinerin4063]

I agree ! Its incredible how many millions are deceived and are in denial especially catholics !

[@carmensavu5122]

Opus D lmfao. Would that it were, though!

[@Alex_00051]

My cousin is part of this goddamn cult. He yelled at my dad "Uncle! Do not read The Da Vinci Code!". YUCK FOU!!!!

[@bernicesanders3148]

I like the initial concept. Unfortunately when humans are involved things go wrong over time. Good for them looking out for each other.

[@clammcclam4454]

I was raised Catholic and it led to me hating religion... however, some of these people are cranky about not sleeping on a mattress. The whole point of being uncomfortable is about relating to people that arent as well off. Mother Theresa was a strong advocate for this. We all need less religion and more compassion.

[@bernicesanders3148]

@@clammcclam4454 thank you for information. I wondered why mortification was or is such a big issue.

[@rochellecaffee3267]

I am an American citizen, and I just want to say that the basis of the American Declaration of Independence and the Constitution was freedom and Laws to protect that freedom (from the Holy Bible) but it seems like, after 212 years, I think, we Americans are seeing this result, that you have claimed, is proving to be true for us as well...so sad....😢

[@rochellecaffee3267]

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[@rochellecaffee3267]

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