Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW Analysis

[@lukaszbien2904]

Men, for example in Poland have to work longer until they can receive pension than women, at the same time life expectancy of men is lower, how is that equal?

[@raianmatias7127]

Same in Brazil. Not to mention that everything that is either physical or dangerous is a man's job, like construction and military.

[@quinncreel6091]

Because women often stop working to look after their young children...

[@alebecker12]

@@declupno, we should tax the billionaires to cover for both.

[@DerDoMeN]

Well... It'd be equal if "men in Poland have to work longer and the same goes for the women without children". But something tells me that something like that would be far too equal for you to be considered equal (reminds me of the random generators where we have to lower the amount of randomness to make people believe that it's random as true randomness gives people the feeling of being unfair)

[@jmi5969]

@@quinncreel6091 If they stop working, they won't get any sensible pension. They have to work to 60 in my country. But men... can only retire after 65. Which is far higher than the average male's life expectancy.

[@kobeyheberling6172]

It’s because men issues are ignored by the media and the government. Look at the huge push for women to get into STEM fields but very little to no push for men to get into HELP fields.

[@MarieFara]

I have been asking what men need help with and this is great. First genuine answer I have seen. Thank you

[@stompysnake8233]

Good idea in theory. But men most men are not interested in help fields. Men in average are more interested in working with things, women in average are more interested in working with people.

[@outerik90]

@@stompysnake8233 then the same thing could be said about women and STEM.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

Yeah the fact that men's mental health is so heavily ignored is really sick.

[@westerling8436]

Why is the feminist shouting?

[@angrytigger83]

That Cambridge professor has no knowledge of the world. Saying young men aren't confronted with discomfort or fear for their personal safety is wild.

[@balern4]

fr lol. How out of touch do you have to be to say something like that? Shameful.

[@TheReferrer72]

I'm sorry he's absolutely correct. compared to what young women go through it not even a thing.

[@vavictus]

@@TheReferrer72sure thing, rich guy 🤣

[@VilkatisJanis]

@@TheReferrer72being called up in military, to die in war. or being beaten up on regular basis in all times of day with or without people around, with people seeing it as normal everyday occurance cause well, that is what man do, they fight, is not feeling fear of ones personal safety?

[@TheRedandWhit]

I think he is talking about how men are less worried about personal safety. Despite being more likely to be a victim of violence etc. And woman being more worried, but less likely to be a victim of violence (unless it's sexual violence).

[@rohankishibe6433]

I can summarize the whole issue right here: The problem is that people keep thinking it's men versus women, boys versus girls, when in reality it's society versus apathy.

[@datman6266]

Now this is an interesting take ..

[@adornoarendt]

working class against ruling class

[@_sansvisage]

agreed we are all being apathetic and it really hampers our world views

[@atIXO.]

@@adornoarendt ???

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

No, it's the ruling bloodlines and their little lackeys versus everyone else.

[@michaelharris8598]

My high school in the early 2000s had multiple womens self help groups aimed at getting them through issues at school and home. Men tried to start one and it was forcibly disbanded by the school system....men have issues too.

[@MeltedPearls]

Your school was wrong to do that. Support is needed for all of us.

[@caryphillips4885]

@@MeltedPearlsit is what it is

[@iss2075]

@@Mystic879As men we can't (and shouldn't) rely on women to enact change on our behalf. It's our job to do it ourselves.

[@caryphillips4885]

@@Mystic879 I would like to, I don’t really have much hope that it will end up being the case though, I have to live my life as if I was stranded on an island and help isn’t coming. It would be nice if help was coming but I’ve gotta survive

[@dingus6317]

@@iss2075 Do you think women were able to bring about change without men's help?

[@ab-xo4yc]

I am 25 yo, I have to deal with everything ALONE. I cannot openly talk about my problems, I cannot say anything otherwise labelled as a loser.

[@uFFFO]

Young man's burden. Speak to your father

[@zachds1986]

It's strange, I see some version of this comment a lot. I work in construction we talk about our problems and deal with issues all the time. I'm sorry to hear that you're dealing with this. You're not asking for advice but I would say to follow Jesus and find people that are Builders instead of Destroyers

[@ab-xo4yc]

@@uFFFO I don't have a father since I was 4 yo...

[@ab-xo4yc]

@@zachds1986 I work in a hangar and the same with some colleague, I feel alone because I don't see anyone in politics taking care about people like me...

[@Yamatification]

I also work in construction we talk about issues all the time... just after a 14hr shift and 10 beers so we don't really remember the solutions when we get up at 5:30am the next day to get ready to do it all again. Huge part of the industry are destroyers, a lot of bosses taking advantage is a big part of the problem. And dealing with these issues, not being home for the family creates half the problems that need dealing with in the first place, definition of toxic workplaces and toxic masculinity. If you don't work through your problems and emotions you won't be able to chase your dreams, then you'll end up a real loser, get help, talk to your real friends, they probably have the same issues just don't whinge; identify the root and act, hope things get better for you m8 🙏

[@neco5740]

Blaming man-fluencers for this crisis is like blaming the symptoms not the underlying diseases. They only make it worse, but they don't come to be in a vacuum

[@dilutioncreation1317]

in a vacuum there are virtual particles that come in and out of existence. As a metaphor you can think of these events as "funny" memes that come and go inside a political group you're not a fan of that are a little over the top. Or a single tweet from someone who might not even be part of that group saying something over the top. These memes are not what people in that political group actually think, and the tweet is not representative of the actual sentiment of that political group. This is the vacuum energy that reactionary people feed off of

[@JoeBlow-fp5ng]

Blaming the Tates is the laziest form of discourse on this topic. Lazy and pandering research.

[@Red80008]

That's true, but a) ignoring (not addressing) them would mean ignoring an essential part of the disease and b) addressing the symptoms is the first step to treating the disease. Symptoms contribute to a disease and if you don't address them, you're not reating the disease. Blaming them (or anything for that matter) usually doesn't help in general, though, if you don't follow up with solutions.

[@neco5740]

@Red80008 you are right, they probably do need to be get "rid of" if there is a truly to be a change of mind. But if we say we're to magical do such they would just be replaced. Because they aren't the reason certain men are attracted to this ideology they are just filling the market. We would need to address the underlying problems first and then they would probably fade into obscurity anyways

[@checkcommentsfirst3335]

but tate is a massive catalysator for such ideology

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

"Equality feels like a loss to the people who were unfairly ahead." That doesn't hold water, it's the youth who weren't alive during this unfairly ahead period that are most upset.

[@MeEntertainmentJo_876]

Exactly. If it was my grandfather complaining that would be one thing. But these are the younger men. They have never lived in a society that prioritized them. They grew up in a time after women had already surpassed men in college attainment, where women are more likely to be taking professional roles (just not the ones that require 100 hour weeks). That quote makes no sense.

[@canuckasaurus]

Bingo. Also, I would add that we actually live in a zero-sum reality, at least in the short term. The person that got unemployed when factories started offshoring in the eighties is not the same person who is a comfortable college professor today. Young men getting pushed out of fields like STEM are going to likely going to have a tenuous relationship with the job market for the rest of their lives. It becomes less zero-sum over time, but it takes generations.

[@zotac1018]

when you hear the term most men , its mostly refers to rich western men .... rest dont even count. we should have a new term "the droids" no feelings only follow orders and stay of of there way ..... and it can be surprisingly refreshing.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Lol. You're ignoring what their Dad's may have taught them as they were growing up.

[@Bash70]

Ironically, that same statement can be flipped back around at fəminists but you'll never hear that from progrəssivəs or libərals.

[@cristop5]

In Australia about 60% of university graduates are female. I found a site listing scholarships. Around 120 of these were available to only one gender. That gender was ALWAYS female.

[@kurtwagner350]

This is incredibly common in developed countries worldwide, but rarely does anyone actually collect the numbers to show just how big the discrepancy is.

[@_blank-_]

How many scholarships are there in total though? Also, isn't the solution to make university free instead of making women (so our sisters and female friends) miserable?

[@tycondero1647]

Could be, but this is probably a way to boost women presence (eventually) in high position jobs, knowing that women drop out from these high position jobs often due to maternity. Is it fair to men no, but does the policy in a way make some sort of sense from a demographic point of view: maybe it does. I am a man myself btw.

[@davecannabis]

well you do as some athletes do, tell them you identify as a woman!!! apparently this is quite acceptable these days

[@cristop5]

@@tycondero1647 Even if you can't bring yourself to acknowledge that men being discriminated against is a bad thing, maybe you can at least see why other men feel that way.

[@parker9012]

To me, it just feels like I live in a society that doesn't want me. Working hard and earning a lot is contributing to the wage gap. Approaching women romantically is at best annoying and at worst harassment. Going and getting a STEM degree is contributing to the engineering education gap. If I'm in a society that doesn't want me economically, romantically, or academically, what am I supposed to do? Obviously, being in this society makes me depressed. That's why I spend most of my time biking, hiking, and camping, just trying to put a little distance between me and society.

[@sfisher89101]

Bear with me, but I think that you are doing the right thing in your situation. By doing activities that you enjoy and that connect you to the natural world, you are helping yourself to cope and remain healthy in a difficult time. In addition, people who object to your work ethic or choice of academic field have the zero-sum mindset the video mentioned. Your achievements needn't keep others from succeeding. You can encourage and help fellow students/coworkers. As for romance, I don't know much, but I think that a person who likes outdoor activities, works hard, and is thoughtful about the world would be and become very interesting, which IMO is more important than other factors in attracting a date. TL;DR: take care, don't give up

[@somederp8915]

@@sfisher89101Sorry, but the "Zero Sum Mindset" is justified. Just look at how real wages developped during the last 2~3 generations. How easy it was for boomers to buy property. A car. Feed a family. You telling me giving the workforce a 50~75% boost (which is a conservative estimate, as the real number nowadays is more like 90~100% at job entry) didn't cause this?

[@LifeOutsideTheBubble]

Buddy…

[@SophieLaF0ntaine]

Aw... I'm going to assume you are a white male? As an Asian female, I have the opposite impression; it feels like this society adores you (white males) and is merely also trying to like everyone else as much as it already likes white males. I feel like white males have won the biological lottery just by having been born a white male. And if you have a stem degree in engineering, meaning you have $$$, you likely would not even need to approach women; they would flock to you. The vast majority of the Chinese girls in my parents' (Chinese) church are marrying... white males. Not other Chinese guys, but white males. I myself have a boyfriend who is a white male. I also tell him all this; that he's won the biological lottery. He agrees too.

[@selohcin]

@@SophieLaF0ntaine Wow. Reading your comment, it feels like we're living in two completely different worlds. I don't know what country you live in, but I've experienced nothing but criticism and condemnation for being a white man in the last 10 years. I can't do anything about my skin color or my sex, so it's really infuriating to hear people tell me that I am an oppressor or a colonizer.

[@Lightspectre1]

I can't help but notice that among all of the "experts" interviewed, not a single one is an actual Gen Z male. Maybe if you want to know what someone is thinking, you should actually talk to them.

[@weallstilldie]

being an expert takes years of knowledge, and, well, expertise, that nearly all gen z men do not have because they've literally not lived long enough to become a peer-considered "expert." they're literally too young, and maybe not educated enough.

[@EvillNooB]

how dare you question *the message*?

[@Kyle-jv8qx]

The interviewer himself is either Gen-Z or young millennial.

[@yourfavouritenarcissist]

We already know what Gen Z men are thinking. They're thinking "damn, I can't believe this society that us men created backfired on us men and now we can't even talk about our mental health issues without being seen as weak because that's what we defined as masculine or not". - OH WAIT, they don't think that, instead men cry and go far right refusing to focus on the problem at hand which is: ✨the patriarchy.✨

[@ReaverSenpai]

@@Kyle-jv8qx interviewing gen X'ers/older millennials though, they are saying that there is no insight from actual gen Zs in this video. As a millennial i can say that I have no idea what any of these guys are going through.

[@kamenhristov7756]

There was a case here in Bulgaria just a couple months ago, where a young father in his 30s has been fighting in the courts to be allowed to see his kids. Not to take custody, but simply actually see the children - no restraining order or past transgressions, just his wife unilaterally deciding to kick him out and not allow him to do so anymore. His wife and her mother lured him to meet, and together strangled him in his own car. Little did they know that was right in view of some CCTVs... Then they drove off with his corpse and reportedly tried to burn it in the woods. And guess what? The court promptly ruled that the killer should be put on house arrest only, reasoning that she is a woman and should be allowed to stay with her kids. Only after some public outcry were the children temporarily taken to their father's parents, and the killers put into actual jail. Although now the court is about to let them go under house arrest again, as they are complaining about bedbugs in their cells. And this is happening in a small Eastern European country, a place that is generally viewed as "extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal".

[@leftgrrl]

As an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal place, it thinks children need to be raised by their mother. That fits an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal mindset.

[@kamenhristov7756]

@@leftgrrl it seems we have a vastly different interpretation of what a "patriarchy" is, if you are even entertaining the thought of attempting to blame said court ruling on such a perceived mindset.

[@cristiancojocaru9821]

@@leftgrrl As somebody coming from "an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal place" I can tell you my country is topping the charts for gender equality by the standards feminists use, and I've yet to be treated as good as women in anything. But yeah, preach us from your ivory tower about how you've actually got it worse.

[@ryeguy7941]

​@@leftgrrlFor a patriarchy, women tend to benefit a lot from it.

[@gehrig7593]

@@ryeguy7941 Patriarchy hurts both men and women. The moment you people realize that you'll be free from your ideology.

[@hikari9433]

It's simple. Men are flowing towards movements that value and respect them and take their issues seriously. The same reason young women have been flowing towards liberalism as these movements started getting more female focused than ever.

[@David-bi6lf]

​@@starsiegeRokswell Japan has one of the highest suicide rates and yet is more conservative than countries with lower rates. So exactly does becoming more conservative reduce suicide?

[@metaterrestrial197]

​@@David-bi6lfArab is also very conservative and has less suicides rate than progressive European countries

[@TheMelloMunsta5]

@@declup The "movement" is more of a "praxeology" and its called the Manosphere...Men helping men figure out all the problems listed here pretty much

[@hikari9433]

@@David-bi6lf The problem of suicide isn't wether the country is liberal or conservative. It's male loneliness and lack of purpose. Japan has an epidemic of loneliness and social isolation which is followed by western countries. Other conservative and traditional countries on the other hand like Arab, African countries or India are very community and family oriented. So men in these cultures are never really alone and their purposes are defined within their family and community.

[@hikari9433]

@@declup Male suicides, male depression and loneliness, boys being behind at school, the increase of fatherless homes, family court biases against fathers, false s*xual assaults allegations, etc. All these issues were either ignored, mocked or downplayed by the liberal movements in general. Conservatives were the first ones to address them as a real problem. The left is barely just starting to seriously address these issues. Plus, everywhere on the left, young men kept hearing they're the oppressor, they are toxic, their gender has had its run so now they should just step aside and support women, etc. Imagine being a young man with no experience, who lack self confidence and is still in the process of discovering himself, hearing all this. Then that man turns around and see people like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate telling him that there is nothing wrong with being a man, that he should be proud of his masculinity, he should strive to improve himself and become a stronger and wiser individual, etc. The same way the left and the feminist movement focuses on women issues and push the strong independent women message.

[@theodosiosmarques8141]

I don't agree when they say that "boys should cry", because if we do they ignore us. When I was in third/forth grade my mother had health issues and I believed she would die. I was in the playground in a corner crying all the time and isolated and panicking about it, and guess what, not ONE worker or teacher in the school asked if everything was fine and tried to help me calm down. A few months later, my teacher found my mother and asked if everything was fine with her and pressured her to talk about the illness. In other words, she was more worried about gossipping the illness than taking care of one of her students when he was clearly suffering. I was also victim of bullying some time later and again, most people just disregarded it as "kids being kids" and I was exagerating. So when they say "boys should cry", I add "others should care" ,it works both ways.

[@RedGrassEater259]

So the second half of that sentiment is actually what you're saying. Boys should be allowed to cry And be supported emotionally by the adults around them. The reason why it's called 'toxic' masculinity is not that all masculinity is toxic- it's because it really is toxic to socially pressure half of the population to never feel sad/vulnerable for fear of being seen as weak. Someone should have been there for you and it's bad that they weren't. That's the point

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Its not really stating that boys should literally be crying, rather it is stating that men should be more emotionally developed.

[@ashiok]

@@SleepyMatt-zzz Semantic and missing the point.

[@myang5168]

"boys should cry" implies more than just the sole act of boys crying, it implies that society needs to shift away from the toxic masculinity value that stigmatize against crying boys. What should have changed in your experience was not you crying - what should have changed was how everyone around you treated you in response to your crying. What's wrong is making boys and men feel like they aren't allowed to cry - not the act of crying

[@hittingyouoverthehead]

If that's true that's very sad... but I want to add that I kind of don't believe that a 9-10 year old crying was ignored. Usually people ask what's wrong. And if you were really ignored then maybe you're the outlier. I've had issues when I was a kid and usually people definitely bothered to check what's going on.

[@leonardodtc4847]

This video is biased beyond belief

[@logangantner3863]

I do not think figures like Andrew Tate are positive for the world at all. But what people need to understand is HOW people like Tate gain so much popularity in the first place. And the reason is because men, especially younger men, do not feel heard or like their very real issues are taken seriously. Every time there is a discussion about men, it always feels like it gets commandeered into a discussion about women, politics, or is unproductively intended to tell men to "be better". When men try to argue that men's issues are real and worthy of discussion, it tends to be met with a lot of public shaming (especially paired with accusations of being an incel, angry virgin, etc). When you remove all possibility of outlets for men to deal with men's issues, you end up with unapologetic villains filling the vacuum. And the most frustrating part is that the people who caused and perpetuate this problem are not self-aware and don't seem to be willing to budge on this. Some of those people are in this video.

[@agilemind6241]

Every serious feminist (i.e. have read a book of feminist philosophy, not just twitter outrages) recognizes there are serious problems for men as well and most of them want policies that address those issues. The problem has been that the most popular social movements that claim to address problems faced by men eventually attract the seething misogynist men who blame women for their issues rather than the true structural & systemic causes, who seem to take over those movements. There was a brief moment at the start of the MRA movement where they did actually talk about men's issues without bringing misogyny into it which I found fascinating and compelling, but it took mere months for the misogynists to take over the movement. Though I do agree the inteviewees here weren't the best. e.g. "toxic masculinity" discussion was not good at all, toxic masculinity was not a term saying that masculinity is toxic, it was a term attempting to separate the toxic and beneficial aspects/values of masculinity. However, it has been warped by those who are invested in the toxic aspects of masculinity to undermine it.

[@PaoloLammens]

Exactly, 26:24

[@zugetzuzu]

Give men an outlet where they can share and express without being judged, I agree, but the people who shame men are (usually not always) other people with conservative views and beliefs or the misandrists. So I fail to see why men go more conservative when they're largely a main contributor to how isolated they feel.

[@ornofthetalon1]

​@zugetzuzu I know your comment is made genuinely, because I've made it myself before. As I've been paying more attention to these things though...I've found that progressive groups tend to judge men just as much as conservative. What they judge about is a bit different, but many of the conservative judgements remain. It's not surprising, really. We've all been endoctronated from a young age with society's standard. Most of the feminist women I know still have anxiety about going into public without makeup, even though they believe that women don't owe the world beauty; believing that men should be more open about our emotions while also not feeling that men should be self-reliant and figure those emotions out on their own...is the contradictions being consistent.

[@pyotrbagration2438]

@@zugetzuzu Conservative males are demonized by liberals since 2008, you are either living under a rock or just plain disingenuous .

[@RejonMunchausen]

My first job in a school in 2000....I am the only male staff member in a school and young boys need positive male role models....24 years of no change...why do young men have no positive role models?

[@yewo.m]

Very true. But I think it would also be good for us men to look at what we ourselves can do, instead of just complaining about society or the government For example, in the home, I've seen many men who tend to abandon their families and kids (or be non-commital), which only worsens the problem of the lack of role models. So I think it would be good to not ignore such things which are in our own locus of control

[@stsk7]

good for you for being in the education field, men are very underrepresented and no one talks about it

[@wnose]

Which is why men like Andrew Tate are so popular. Particularly for those boys who grew up in single mother families.

[@blaiseutube]

Thank you for your service, we need men in education. I would never have the courage to work in schools and live under the constant threat of a trumped up sexual harassment claim.

[@symptomofsouls]

I tried to become a teacher and they kicked me out of the program because they said I would be a "toxic influence", which translates to "you're a real man so you shouldn't teach kids"

[@askmiller]

The problem with masculinity is that changes are not happening at the same rate across all aspects. Men are still expected to provide for their families even if it is no longer possible for them to do so. Women tend to still prefer men of higher social status than them. Men still pay for dates, even if they make less. Men still are the ones who tend to lose custody of their kids in divorce court. You want to be a stay at home dad? Sure it's possible now but the vast majority of families do not want that. It seems like the modern family is just 2 working parents who use their income to send their kids to daycare so they can keep working.

[@corvacopia]

And that’s it, that’s the problem, you’re spot on, women being able to participate in the work force was supposed to be getting more prosperity for the family and individual agency, and it should’ve been, but in the past 40 years of austerity things have gotten more and more expensive and there’s been rapidly decreasing opportunities to get out of poverty. In the US, the child tax credit that was passed in 2021 reduced child poverty by 50%, but then it skyrocketed right back up to where it was once that policy-which has initially been implemented only temporarily-was allowed to expire. We know how to fix poverty, we know what we need to do, but we’re not doing it.

[@ex7229]

Find Christ.

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

@@ex7229 How would that actually help?

[@leslieariane3696]

Just to clarify that men do not lose custody battles to court as they hardly battle it at all. Most of the time when a man asks for custody, he is awarded it. Why most women end up with majority of custodies, is because the men willingly opted out, not because the women tried to keep the kids away. Sure, it happens but far less than you might want to imply.

[@askmiller]

@@leslieariane3696 nationwide, father custody time is 35%. There’s not a single state where it’s more than 50% and some where it’s as low as 22%.

[@marshallscot]

Weird how shitting on one group and giving handouts to the other group causes a political divide...

[@joelmiller3218]

When one group deserves the shitting on and the other group deserves the handouts, the group deserving of shitting on has no right to fkn complain how about that? As a man I don't go around crying about feminism and men struggles.

[@DAndyLord]

@@joelmiller3218 I cry when anyone struggles. In western society there seems to be a push to ignore the times when men struggle. That can be really alienating.

[@cletus223]

@@joelmiller3218 How about your "good boy points"? Being a good feminist man, never complaining about any of your problems just like those good old patriarchal oppressors.

[@joelmiller3218]

@@DAndyLord men's struggle is not gender oppression. It's working class oppression. And the solutions presented to men is to be good capitalism slaves and to not complain. That's what causes the alienation, not women having equal wages and reproductive freedom. That and also their mental health that western society ignores. Which is something feminism advocates for and tries to push as the main aspect of men's wellbeing.

[@joelmiller3218]

@@cletus223 I don't live in the west. I live in a deeply patriarchal society, one that would be a dream to most men who hate feminism. It's not good. I advocate for women's rights and for feminism in any way I can, not for "good boy points" but because people like me really do care about political freedoms of other groups and individuals. Just a reminder, this isn't 2016 anymore.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

To be fair about the not being able to fix a car thing: Cars today are deliberately overengineered so that the owner CANNOT fix them.

[@hananokuni2580]

That much I know from experience. I had a 1990 Mitsubishi Mirage. Very easy to work on. Then I had a 1995 Nissan Sentra. Also very easy to work on. Today's cars are practically engineered to death and even simple maintenance procedures like changing the air filter or changing spark plugs require more steps than what is typical for the same procedures carried out on pre-2000 cars.

[@sor3999]

You also don't NEED to fix them that often like your father was constantly doing. It was a cost saving measure to not have to take it to the mechanic all the time. You know what this generation does have expertise on? They can fix their computers (software and hardware) and build one from scratch with off the shelf parts. You're dad couldn't do that with a car.

[@poika22]

@@sor3999 lmao Modern cars break down WAY more than cars from the 80s and 90s. Also, being able to connect a few components and wires like legos with the help of a youtube tutorial does not mean you "built" anything. And even then we're in a tiny minority being able to do even that. Most zoomies don't even know how to view file extensions.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

@@sor3999 My dad needed to fix the car and the tractor etc because he was a farmer and they got far harder use than almost any other vehicle on the road. And no, this generation does NOT have expertise in computer software/hardware. Very few people have the ability to build a computer from off-the shelf-parts or write software code. These are very specialised skills that only a very small proportion of youung adults have. Whereas most men in my father's generation were competent at domestic plumbing, electronics, carpentry and car maintenance.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

@@poika22 Agreed!! Manual competence is not something that most Zoomers shine in. Bolting together a few bits of electronics is not making a computer. And scratching together a few lines of code does not make you a programmer. Most men in my father's generation were able to do basic car repair and maintenance, and were also able to do home plumbing, home electrics and carpentry. It was expected of them - just as our grandmothers were expected to be able to cook from basic ingredients, make and repair clothes from basic fabrics etc. It was taught to them in school and by their parents. And the best car I ever had was pure 1980s design - Nissan Micra. It was literally indestructible and stunningly simple.

[@apollo7807]

I dont like that Alice Evans basicly reduces mens problems to their intersexual relationship to women and their fear in not being able to compete in the race for one. Because i as a gay person still feel and see these problems. The problems men have today is that while men who see women as inferior cant say that, women who do the same with men can freely spread their opinions. For example, there was a young woman in my class (it was 11th the grade), and this women always trash talked men and on principle closed the door right infront of us boys when leaving class and so on and no teacher ever said anything against it since its treated like a crime for a man to openly feel disadvantaged because of their gender. Another problem is, that while boys mature indeed later, they are also way more active and need this activity. We see less and less sports in school. I myself had many long days in school but never, literally NEVER more then 1x2h + 1x1h and later only 1x2h of sports per week while sitting for 7-8 hours on my butt daily... I was definitely not too dumb for school but i remember fairly well that after hour 4 or 5 (depending on the subjects) there was no mental energy left in me to concentrate while most female students did just fine. There needs to be a systematic change in schools to give especially boys more time and to encourage them more to participate in physical activities. Another thing that needs to change is the social perception that men arent allowed to openly feel weak, sad or left behind. There is indeed a HUGE gender gap in favor of women. The only two reasons why you cant see it yet in terms of average wages are that first, it will take another one or two generations to replace men from their top positions and second, women are more likely to prefer jobs that take empathy and are more human related which are at the same time also the jobs with some of the lowest wages. It is indeed a systematic problem and it needs to be solved before we lost another and another generation of boys to it.

[@SimoniousB]

It sounds like that young woman was probably a victim of sexual violence

[@88marome]

Men always think that women speak too much even when women speak less than the men, it's been tested several times. Your anecdotes aren't reality.

[@ereshkigalis]

Kids shouldnt spend 8 hrs in schools. especially under 16

[@sir.mistable1496]

Really well articulated argument! It seems to me that particularly in schools that male associated traits such as boisterousness are demonised in the classroom, but the root cause is not being addressed, if we were able to expel this energy with physical activity like you mentioned the levels of focus among boys would be drastically improved

[@koat1153]

@@sir.mistable1496so what about schools a hundred years ago? Much much more boys compared to girls and more male success as well, school techniques haven’t changed very much in the last 100years, if anything school has gotten easier and less tense and strict. This issue is not school, this issue is how boys are raised and I’m not trying to throw men under the bus, this is a parenting and societal problem. Men can be anything a girl is and vice versa, men don’t need to be masculine, men need to be kind, respectful, patient, smart, clean, a good person in general just as girls are raised to be.

[@dennisr3829]

I'm a young adult man from Finland and completely on the side of empowerment of women. I was told throughout my time in school that I was privileged, while surrounded by support, empowerment and help groups for women and told the world is ruled by men and I as a man was part of the problem. I think the issue for young men is we are made to answer for the sins of earlier generations of men. And absolutely nobody talks to or helps young men growing up. Finland also has conscription and male suicides dominate suicide statistics.

[@Volkbrecht]

It's worse. You are being made to answer not for the sins, but for the achievements of those earlier generations. Every piece of technological and societal advancement of the past has benefited women, too. It's just that we came from a historical place where physical strength was an essential qualification to produce essential goods and services, so that is where the compensation went. Now that we have moved into a knowlegde-based, machinized economy, that just naturally stops, and men for the most part are not gatekeeping, quite the contrary. But to also be fair: male suicide is just a hormonal preference. Female depression, while statistically less correlated with self-harm, is not fun either. Personally I think being driven to kill yourself is almost preferrable to wasting away because you cannot get yourself to function. At least this way the amount of suffering gets limited, and it's not like any of us was going to live forever.

[@hannttu]

Another Finn here! I get what you mean by the guilt and shaming due to factors you have personally not contributed to, and it's a difficult realisation. I have personally learned about it also through examples of racism, because that is another area where the wrongdoings of past are sometimes directed towards wrong people. My take on this is, that I don't take it personally. Neither gender or racial inequality have vanished, so while some people continue suffering from them, I will seem/be privileged in those areas compared to them. It's just something to acknowledge, and maybe support marginalised groups when possible, but not to take it personally. In regards to our conscription, ironically women and women politicians have been increasingly vocal about extending it to women as well, but the resistance comes from male politicians.. So there the issue comes within the house

[@mattlenn100]

same in Sweden. Several support groups and study prizes handed out to women when I was in school. We even had a career coach to help women get jobs or go to University. Maybe later in life its unequal in mens favour but why and how would a young man see that when he's growing up he only see so much support and help for women everywhere around him

[@agnnnnnnn]

@@mattlenn100there are so many scholarships in Sweden only for men. The issue is also that men don’t participate in programs at the same rates as women. You need to lead them to water. It’s not the lack of opportunities

[@agnnnnnnn]

@@Volkbrechtyou are so wrong it’s laughable. Physical strength the progress of society? That was briefly the case in the industrial age, and even then machines were build for male bodies. You know that for the majority of human history male professions were about war not actually building society up. And women were working physically and mentally as well always. Men who have contributed and “built” were educated or born into wealth. Like your take on humanity is a fantasy. Not even talking solely about gender views. You need to learn about history for real

[@Zefernandocs]

Imagine doing a video on why gen z men are conservative, and don't interview no conservative gen z men....

[@StuJones-gn7te]

He may not be able to. He's speaking English with a French accent.on a German channel.

[@sellenis3]

The podcast was not just about conservative Gen Z men but about why divergence happens between gen z men and women

[@Smogshaik]

Conservative isn't the problem. True conservatives have values and concerns about keeping a stable status quo. That is not at all what the new right is trying to do. The new right is a symptom. It doesn't need to be talked to, it needs to be talked about.

[@steve3131]

Andrew Tate is a misogynist, but someone like Hanna Rosin or Maureen Dowd is even more sexist (misoandrist). The difference is that The New York Times or Slate would never give a platform to someone like Andrew Tate. And we're constantly told this is a patriarchy run for and by males for their exclusive benefit, and therefore women have no agency and cannot be sexist against men or boys.

[@p382742937423y4]

If men are falling behind most in skandinavian countries, why do we call these countries "equal".?

[@thinktwice-me7ie]

their possibilities are equal

[@thomasvilhar7529]

@@thinktwice-me7ie HAHA, You can not be from Scandinavia.

[@SirRivelion]

@@thinktwice-me7ie equality of outcome, not equality of opportunities.

[@toxicmale2264]

Women call equality one upping men in everything.

[@chimbalol]

In Norway the working class woman earns more than the working class man, even though feminism here still tell the narrative that women earn less than men. How you may ask? If you exclude the top 10% male and female earners and look at the middle class. You will see women out-earn men, which also explains why so many women here complain about there not being any good men to marry. While men have changed in society and are open to marry women who earns both less and more than them, women on the other hand have been reluctant to changed, so its not men that need to change, we already have, its women who needs to change. But news and society still blame it on men. Now I'm taking about marriage here but when it comes to hookups and fwb the situation is not like this, women here don't really care much how much you earn as a man when it comes to short term fun.

[@shitboy_]

"young men feel entitled to feeling comfortable and save" bro everyone is entitled to that

[@LeafMaltieze]

I disagree on everyone feeling comfortable. Everyone should have the right to seek comfort, but what that means varies massively from person to person. I do agree that everyone should have the right to safety.

[@superdudehello]

@@LeafMaltieze eh everyone has the right to comfort if anyone has the right to comfort and just because it varies from person to person doesn't mean it can't be quantified it just changes and that's entirely human.

[@Tespri]

Safety and comfortable feeling are desires not human rights. It's your own duty to ensure that you're living comfortable and in safe.

[@superdudehello]

@@Tespri As a egalitarian I disagree. Comfort shouldn't only be there for the rich or well off but forever to rest after a long day. To assume that some are not worth comfort is to say no one is worth comfort because what it takes to acquire comfort can change.

[@Tespri]

@@superdudehello Should a cave man thousands of years ago have same comfort as an average man right now? Was their human rights broke by the nature when their life wasn't as comfortable as modern humans have? This is how easy it's to break your flawed reasoning. Also what is comfort is highly subjective. For some it's comfortable that no one ever talks back at them. For psychopaths it's comfortable that you never report to cops on their actions.

[@nuqwestr]

"Show me the incentives, I'll show you the outcome" - famous investor said that, but it is true in this case, too.

[@viktorberta4953]

Mr. Charlie Munger's wisdoms are insanely powerful.

[@Melior_Traiano]

@@viktorberta4953 We lost a legend when he passed.

[@viktorberta4953]

@@Melior_Traiano Truly. God bless Him.

[@robertwilsoniii2048]

Beliefs can alter this as well. Roman Catholics would support policies that hurt themselves if it means helping a marginalized group. Most Protestants and other religions would do the opposite.

[@nuqwestr]

@@robertwilsoniii2048 The Roman Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organization in the world. The church has vast assets, including billions in real estate and some priceless art, not to mention the Vatican Bank. But its finances are largely secret. Tallying that immense wealth is pretty much impossible, according to experts.

[@wazzpqazzza]

"How do we close the gap?" "Men need to feel less comfortable" bruh

[@wazzpqazzza]

"How do we close the gap?" "Restrict content" bruh

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@wazzpqazzza They will never listen. They will never be there for us. We have to be there for ourselves.

[@Rithmy]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatIN Psychology there is something called confirmation bias. Be carefull about your core believes . If you dont question them from time to time then they will confirm by default. Im not telling you to throw them away but to think logically about them, as those are core believes that have a strong influence on your actions. ANd if i may be provocative, it just feels like you are telling you those words to soothe yourself.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

​@@Rithmy I do not care. The possibilities of our lives shrank while theirs grew. I don't need any biases to figure out how I need to react to that. I'm realizing I'm playing competitive multiplayer, I was dumb enough to believe them when they told us we were playing co-op.

[@Rithmy]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Dont you think that in a proper competetiv multiplayer everyone should have similar starting possibilities? Noone likes spawn killing for example. There was a time in which offspring was killed if they were not male. How would you like to distribute the possibilities? What is the goal of this multiplayer?

[@guttormur9267]

saying men that are angry and depressed because who they perceive ''as lower then them'' are being successful is down right psychotic

[@spaceowl5957]

That point felt very insulting and completely out of touch to me as a man. That was the worst part of the video. That some extremist and hateful take and should have no place in a video like this imo.

[@d818581dd]

@@spaceowl5957 It is true though. As soon as minority groups (women, gay people etc) started to slowly achieve equality, men got angry.

[@crusherven]

@@d818581dd Women aren't really a minority. More importantly, correlation doesn't mean causation.

[@BMoore335]

When everything is reduced to petty motives it alters the conversation from dialogue to condemnation. Of course men are often coarsely petty, is this a reasonable response to the real challenges some men face? But this is the message, your personal problems are yours alone, while others are institutional and require your full cooperation.

[@skillbopster]

@@d818581dd Being given a scholarship and a job just because you are a woman or minority is not equality.

[@dragonbeardable]

This liberal guy just blames men in the "solutions" section lmao. "Men need to enter spaces to have more empathy for other people.."

[@dogukan127]

how is that blaming?

[@dragonbeardable]

@@dogukan127 That won't help men. He's basically just saying these young men need to "check their privilege" and have empathy for others, when in reality society really needs to have more empathy for these last young men.

[@AnImperialGod]

I agree. The opinion of Neil Shyminsky is pretty consistent to what has been told to us men in the past by feminism, and does not offer any particular solutions. His own "solution" is also part of the concept of toxic masculinity, defined by himself, by him telling us men "how all of us men should be, and remind ourselves how privileged we actually are as men." No, sir, what you offer is not a solution. It will not solve anything, just cover the problem, turning us back to where we are, again. On the other hand, Richard Reeves provides an insightful analysis, with a refreshing conclusion for us men, with actions that can be taken at the government level and as policies. I liked his opinion profoundly. It seems that he has thoroughly thought about solutions for this new problem and how we can close the gap between men and women and create more equality, by taking actions.

[@sblbb929]

@@dogukan127 the same way "pull yourself up by the bootstrings!" isn't helpful but more blaming poor people for supposetly being unwilling to just become wealthy

[@FieldMarshalFeels]

His "solution" is just a very roundabout way of saying, "I don't care, haha sucks to suck."

[@TitanRC]

“There are just a few too many wagging fingers and not quite enough helping hands”

[@kolkoki]

This is by far the best comment in this comment section.

[@SkyForceHunter]

seriously underrated comment

[@prodazzda]

20:58 fyi

[@stanky5187]

@@prodazzda ty, i thought this was a quote from an outside source lol meaning this comment isnt underrated

[@Esther-yr1vp]

Yes!! I think helping men is better than blaming woman for the issues, blaming doesn’t do anything but actually helping men by creating support groups,making pensions and ptm equal would do so much more than blaming woman for something they couldn’t have caused ever would.

[@Zax557]

0:20 what even are those graphs. Let's look at them for a second. In the US, Gen Z men seem to barely reach centrism, still slightly lib leaning, while women are having an exponential drift upwards (left politically). Germany is pretty much the same. Men have barely crossed the center line while women are flying off the chart. And UK? Men are actually getting more liberal, only not as insanely fast as women. The only graph supporting the "men are going far right" argument is the South Korea one, where the societal norms are way different than in Europe and US.

[@DefaultFlame]

There's also Sweden. I'm a Swedish man, and I've seen the change both in the statistics and in the men around me, as well as in myself. Men are getting a lot more conservative here, but that needs to be taken in the context that Sweden and Swedish men are some of the most liberal people in the world. Swedish women haven't changed their (extremely liberal) political stance much over the last two decades, which I've also seen both in the statistics and in the women around me.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

they are talking in relative terms here, which is bad journalism. If both groups lean left, but one much faster than the other, then relatively the slower group is going to be labeled right-leaning and the faster left-leaning. In the eyes of ultra-progressive-women the progressive men aren't progressive enough, no surprise really. Where are the women content with what they have and content about the men around them - there aren't many women like that, if at all.

[@emmanuelorange1669]

This is about young people, there's been a historic trend where young people begin life very leftwing and then trend to the right as they get older. The zero line on that graph I believe is meant to imply this is where the general population is, "their parents" as the presenters say, it is unusual and worth investigating this new development

[@katrinabryce]

I think in the UK, the political parties are moving to the right, but the people are not moving with them. Keir Starmer for example is probably about the same or slightly to the right of John Major.

[@nj8833]

The graphs do support the thesis though, which is that the difference between the groups is increasing

[@jdcje0292]

*"Let's gather a group of feminist experts to tell us why young men dislike them"* High quality analysis brought to you by DW

[@bepatientIhaveautism]

"you think you hate journalists enough, you don't" perfect example here

[@Elucidator-]

The best very best German PC media have to offer.

[@spaceowl5957]

I don't understand how you could have this takeaway if you watched the video. One of the interviewees was the head of an advocacy group for helping men and boys with thier struggles and I think he seemed to really care.

[@jdcje0292]

@@spaceowl5957 I watched the entire documentary. Like said in my comment, my criticism was directed to the feminist experts. To no one else.

[@D402S]

They have a god-complex. They believe that anything a misandrist disguised as a feminist says is 100% correct by default. And anything a conservative man says is 100% wrong by default.

[@OctagonalSquare]

The young men see liberal content creators laughing at male suicide rates, depression, and so on. They see them claiming “you run the world, you don’t get to be depressed” while they struggle to make ends meet and the content creator is living in luxury. They see women on the left screaming that all men are horrible. They see liberal women shouting at rallies, telling men “you have to get fixed to date me” and say “I’m not dealing with that”. Young men, especially straight men, are being FORCED out of the liberal camp, and you know it. It isn’t the appeal of conservatism, it’s the repulsion of liberalism.

[@oatmiser3110]

or it's people like you that choose to only listen to the worst groups and make no attempt to find others, then declare everything as wrong. Should I judge a whole religion based on Westboro baptists too?

[@edwardcamp3376]

@@oatmiser3110 You're comment is repulsive and insulting. Basically, you just proved his point.

[@oatmiser3110]

@@edwardcamp3376 You're insulted by me calling a certain mindset childish and useless? Either prove that it isn't, or find a better mindset informed by actual facts.

[@dosadoodle]

I haven't seen the things that you're talking about in real life, and I know many very left-leaning people. If you only see these things on social media or in a news source, be aware that these are outrage machines that make money from your attention. They want you angry and watching so that they keep making money off of you. Social media in particular is cancer for society.

[@aAverageFan]

​@@oatmiser3110 It is a mainstream liberal belief that men are privileged and so they actively ignore or fight against those who care about our issues

[@dissidentart5603]

I like how their solutions are to appear to care about problems that men face rather than making the living conditions any better for men.

[@DerDoMeN]

Why would you want to improve living conditions for the "men"? Natural selection... It's not like all of us have issues with adapting to current world.

[@TheLovescream]

@@DerDoMeN Its not natural selection, theres no level playing field.

[@DerDoMeN]

@@TheLovescream Makes me wonder how I managed to get a wife, two daughters, a house etc. etc. etc. then... While my "more manly" (read with more muscles and taller than me) cousins weren't so lucky... So yeah... If "a person who can build a gun and use it is worth more than a biffed up manly man who can protect with muscles" is considered not a level playing field, then you're right. But from where I sit the playing field is finally getting leveled enough to mop of the artifacts from the playing board. So I'll stay with natural selection part. (And don't get me wrong... I'm only 164 height with average muscles... So far smaller and weaker than my relatives... But far more dangerous if need be... And that control in a small dangerous bottle is the manly part that's missing from most "men" that I met throughout the years)

[@dissidentart5603]

@@DerDoMeN You do realize that your personal experience is not representative of the social conditions we’re talking about and literally nobody asked how you compare to your relatives, right? Ok so back to the topic at hand: Men are disproportionately forced into military service. Men have access fewer social and financial resources (such as government assistance, shelters, etc.) It is widely socially acceptable for a woman to commit domestic violence against a man. Men face an increasing burden of affirmative action where they are made to be punished on the basis of their gender.

[@dissidentart5603]

@@declup End the forced military conscription. Have an equal opportunity for government assistance and humanitarian aid like shelters. Mandate equal opportunity for child custody after divorce. Condemn the social acceptance of domestic violence against men.

[@rsmith4339]

This is so ham-handedly edited it is impossible to not to notice that this isn't an interview , or a conversation , but a constructed narrative . I can't even focus on the intended message .

[@guncolony]

Totally agreed, i would like to be able to listen to the raw interviews.

[@editorrbr2107]

It’s DW, what do you expect

[@dannoringer]

Yeah, although it's interesting, I must agree with your point. A 4 way discussion might have been more interesting, where all 4 could have fully participated.

[@zlinos139]

@@editorrbr2107What's wrong with DW?

[@moetocafe]

@@zlinos139 nothing, they've always been woke

[@Coouge]

This video is loaded with bias. "Women are more educated... they're Liberals..." but then "There's something strange with men.... Issue #1, Issue #2... they're becoming more conservative!!"

[@hafizilmi7255]

Is that wrong??

[@immoralwombat6843]

This is like rich people saying to poor people; stop being poor. Neil Shyminsky is one of those sociopaths who profit from this hurdle.

[@penguingobrrbrr353]

Define rich ?. How much money do you have to have to be 'rich'.

[@YellowKing1986]

@@penguingobrrbrr353 By that question you are telling us you missed his point completely. Read again. It wasn't about money.

[@thevoid5503]

They only suddenly "care" now, because they will bodies in uniform when war becomes inevitable. Don't do it, men !

[@blasphlamer]

@immoralwombat6843 I am struggling to understand your point. Is it that we tell men to suck it up, but the systemic issues they’re facing are material? Is a cultural hegemony of misogyny going to fix that? Perhaps we need material solutions to those issues which as this documentary suggests those are issues we’re all facing. I think spotlighting the plight of men is important for the cultural component.

[@thepandaken5475]

Shyminsky, you say? No way!

[@jd3d_cgi]

"bridge the divide" "enter new spaces" Yeah thanks mate, that will sort everything out.

[@automaticshelter130]

Thoughts and prayers 😂

[@ultimatewafflegaming1018]

the issue is men and women are taking sides pitted against each other which only furthers the gap.. they need to work collectively as humans..they need to stop focusing on whos side theyre on and collectively focus on the issue at hand the problem was never each other but the problem itself...we learn teamwork in kindergarten yet it seems like every adult is so far from it

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

Just be yourself, bro

[@parker9012]

​@unnecessaryapostrophe4047 also remember to cry a lot, if men just start crying more all our issues will go away 😂

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

@@parker9012 Exactly! Men really need to be more comfortable with showing their [socially acceptable] emotions!

[@givrally7634]

I see all the wonderful examples in the comments and I want to raise mine : In France, bunch of new laws were passed to enforce parity in public positions. The city of Sarcelles had its municipal elections cancelled because the ballots had too many women. Of course, a lot of people cried misogyny and "applying the letter of the law instead of its spirit" The city of Paris was hit with a 90 thousand euros fine for having 69% of women as directors, a long way from the 40% parity requirement (=40-60% range for each gender). Everyone cried misogyny again, and the minister for gender equality (yes, it's a real thing) cancelled the fine. The mayor then said that, since the fine was not owed anymore, she'd give those 90k to... a women's rights group. Rules for thee, not for me.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

As a lifelong liberal whose voted for one Republican candidate in my entire life, reading stuff like this makes me want to vote for the Orange Man.

[@Chris-m2o1s]

Europe is a lot different than the US.

[@givrally7634]

@@Chris-m2o1sAnd the video says that this is a worldwide phenomenon, so what's your point ?

[@chingo9002]

@@givrally7634Worldwide doesn't mean its the same everywhere.

[@givrally7634]

@@chingo9002 "Worldwide phenomenon" means it happens (close to) everywhere. Again, what point are you guys trying to make ? That France doesn't count because it's not in the four countries mentioned in the video?

[@horroRomantic444]

If discussing men's problem is seen as problematic before even discussing what those problems are, then clearly there's a big problem.

[@lionelwatkins]

There’s no empathy

[@hydrocarbon82]

It's true fresh liberals are focusing a bit too hard on marginalized groups' problems. But consider how hardcore conservatives are treating the issue: telling you women are the problem and how you need to be more of a man. Falling thru the cracks is a lot different than blowing smoke up your rear.

[@marte1376]

Do men have trouble with women getting their basic human rights met? Thus conversation is so empty and shameful from all of you. Why does it always need to be about men? It has been like that for centuries

[@marte1376]

@AlexClayland1232 and men without a pinch of empathy get mad. Start acting like a real man if you don't want to be called out

[@pinktfatrabbit]

@@marte1376 tsss woman

[@FireOccator]

There's always a gap between men and women. Just ask people about conscription, divorce, abortion, child support, and discrimination.

[@declup]

I've never been discriminated against. At least in any of the things people generally think about when they think about discrimination. Perhaps you mean something in particular by the word "discrimination", @FireOccator?

[@anssiluomaranta34]

Regarding consription - typically women take care of the children while men fight. I suppose it could also be the other way round also but someone has to stay at home with the children. As a man I would prefer it is me who does the fighting and I would question what kind of a man is someone who wants to stay at home with the kids and send the mother of his children to do the fighting?

[@FireOccator]

@@anssiluomaranta34 Your view of men is disturbing.

[@metaterrestrial197]

​@@anssiluomaranta34 and couples who don't have children ?

[@Janoip]

looking at the birth rates, not really an argument@@anssiluomaranta34

[@GameFuMaster]

29:25 patriarchy, but women get all the scholarships and all the affirmative actions. Sure mr expert

[@martinfiedler4317]

When my grandfather was a young man, women could not get employment without consent of their husband, they could not have a bank account without his consent and "abuse" within the marriage was practically considered non-existent. THAT I call "patriarchy"...

[@KnightofAges]

@@martinfiedler4317 Please go watch the 1895 short film by Lumière "workers leaving the factory", avaliable here on this site. You will notice that it's an overwhelming amount of women and just a few men. So much for THAT "not allowed to get employment" fairytale...

[@spindle7397]

​@@martinfiedler4317yeah you just said when your grandfather was young. That's not today.

[@martinfiedler4317]

@@spindle7397That's the point. It's a thing of the past. At least in the so-called "developed" West. But I guess young men today need to be punished for what is now considered the "sins" of their ancestors... 😒

[@sanniepstein4835]

@@martinfiedler4317 My female ancestors were attending university in the 1920s. You must be 150 years old. I don't think the poorer women of that time were wishing they could spend 12 hours a day in the coal mines along with their men. But poor men don't count, apparently.

[@sergsandoval]

Invest in young men or society will crumble

[@vlajster]

They're only investing in TRANS men these days

[@Pou1gie1]

@@vlajsterHating on a different group (i.e. Trans men) to make yourself feel better or more powerful by putting them down or scapegoating -- is NOT the solution. They exist too, and their existence doesn't make your existence less important.

[@michaelthompson9548]

​@@vlajsterhave a whinge cry baby 😂

[@madmax5841]

@@declup That's because every street, building, sewage and electric system, basically everything was built by them. Civilization is a male endeavor, so of course society won't crumble if it doesn't invest a lot in women

[@berrymckockiner5883]

​@@Pou1gie1well they constantly att us

[@laughingvampire7555]

You also forget about the demonization of men in the press, for instance in Argentina, a man wanted divorce then the woman accused him of rape, and the press labeled him a rapist, in all news papers headlines, then the cops finished the investigation and found a text from the exwife to her friend saying "I'm suing him to destroy him" and the police immediately had the proof it was a false accusation. No major news paper reported the reason he was liberated and she was put in jail for false accusations, only they said "They let the rapist go and put her in jail" then the feminists march to protest against the injustice and her family went during the night and light up his house burning him with 3rd degree burns all over his skin.

[@azzv.kuskatan]

WTF!

[@herono-4292]

Insane...

[@justalurker2756]

I'm sorry for the late reply, but could you link to a source? I live in Argentina and I'm genuinely interested.

[@salieri8903]

Because when you are 20 years old broke student hearing about some mystical privileges and insults because of patriarchy is a bit frustrating. You endlessly tell young men that they are the problem and then you are surprised that those men go opposite direction to you?

[@anthill1510]

I think what they are talking about is that you have the ability to be at college and be a broke student in contrast to having to start working minimum wage at 16 and having to partly support your siblings with that, too. That`s the mystical privilege people are talking about. It maybe doesn`t feel like it when you have to eat noodles with cheese for a week at the end of the month, but it actually is privilege.

[@ithinkiknowme6450]

I feel like everyone claims that the opposite gender has privilege when in reality I’m seeing that everyone of suffering..oh it’s getting bad..

[@salieri8903]

@@anthill1510 my college is free and I work wage job to have food, so it's pretty much the same x)

[@tay_paradox]

@@anthill1510 i mean the majority of college students are women though? so through your own logic they would have more of said privilege? Like boys can't also deal with absent parents and taking care of their younger siblings.

[@rationallyright4626]

Here in America there was a boy that was "gR@ped" by an adult woman, and she found him after he turn 18, and sued him for back child support. She was never punished for what she did to a child.

[@Tate525]

Let me guess that child who is now barely above 18 has to pay child support? When he was himself a child just years ago. Welcome to America!!

[@ducklingscap897]

And in my country a young girl (15 years old) was raped by 7 men (20 and older). She was left unconscious and severely injured and in the end froze to death as she laid more or less naked on cold ground. All rapists got a conditional discharge... What do we learn of that? That both sexes suffer from an unjust system.

[@rationallyright4626]

@ducklingscap897 That is why I specified where I lived and mentioned issues that happened here in my country. The video is mainly talking about develped western countries, so I mentioned the western country I live in.

[@JustSomebody5]

Source please?

[@Babezilla]

Cry about it

[@ace51017]

In my opinion, Richard Reeves was the most reasonable guest of the three.

[@christopherlynch3314]

Agree. That guy really presents well, I am going to find him and follow him.

[@deleted01]

The other two guests were there to placate the feminists.

[@christopherlynch3314]

Found, subscribed, enjoying.

[@franknada8235]

I dont know who the Feminist guy in box stripe shirt is but never listen to him. He is on team delusion.

[@prosperenfantinylosgeograf2721]

What did the others said that was unreasonable? I feel like they all had somewhat balanced opinions.

[@deathdome2572]

Gen Z boy here, the presumption that the entire causation is radicalization by your boogieman groups is an insult. If you want to know the cause maybe look in a mirror

[@Smogshaik]

What? A group of educated people having an open discussion about how to help men and boys is the reason for radicalization? Care to elaborate?

[@mitchmclean5435]

I almost felt really seen, but then it was disappointing when your proposed solution seemed to be more feminism, more gender quotas and less masculine values, rather than recovering a positive vision for manhood in society.

[@LifeLikeSage]

Zero-sum game bro, they can't piss off the feminist culture train.

[@FreakAzoiyd]

21:35 that's at exactly how I see Alice Schwarzer. She is supposed to be a highly regarded feminist, maybe she was but she shouldn't be anymore in my opinion. I see her as super toxic, both against men and women, who don't conform to the way she wants them to be.

[@Clovis5119]

When they talk about the closing gender gap giving men opportunities they once didn't have, it really misses the important point that they are not meaningful opportunities. Most women don't want a stay-at-home husband. Most women are not attracted to a man who earns less than her, even if she already earns plenty. You cannot tell men "You don't have to worry about status as much anymore, this is a good thing!" when millions of years of evolution say otherwise. Society may have changed but our underlying biology hasn't. Men are no longer seen or needed as providers and protectors, but men still need to feel like they have that role, and women are still attracted to men in that role even as society has made it increasingly out of reach. We cannot adapt to this except by accepting that some level of inequality is necessary, and that gender roles have a purpose. In a way, the idea that the gender gap is "closing" is a fallacy, because there have always been many types of gender gaps, and we've only worked on closing the ones that were detrimental to women. But there have always been gaps that benefit women, gaps that benefit men, and gaps that hurt men and women. There was a balance. Today, we've worked very hard at ensuring there are fewer and fewer downsides to being a woman, at the cost of many of the upsides of being a man. We can dream all we want that one doesn't have to cost the other, but that's not the reality we live in. It's not a zero-sum game, but men and women are different. We have different needs and drives. We are attracted to different things. We cannot try to force everyone in a feminine-shaped mold or even a gender-neutral mold and expect things to turn out well. "Equality feels like a loss to those who were unfairly ahead" was said in this video. It's an issue that we're operating on the premise that men were unfairly ahead at all. The idea that men simply reaped all the benefits of society while subjugating women is such a farce. Men and women had different roles that benefited each other. One of the main opponents to women's suffrage were women who were afraid that in becoming more equal, women would lose their privileges. Lucky for them -- in the end, they didn't.

[@sor3999]

"It's an issue that we're operating on the premise that men were unfairly ahead at all." Exactly, there was never any policy that disallowed women from pursuing higher education. You have a lot of favoritism: open discrimination in favor of women, scholarships only for women, and recruitment drives JUST to get women to pursue higher education. Is it really the case that the men are dropping out or more they were discriminated against? If you set policy to actually be equal and fair, most admissions would still be men and that's what they have a problem with.

[@nz-gz5jn]

Men were ahead. The top 0.001% of men. The fact that the avg male is getting blamed for the fact that approximately all of the richest people (that didnt make their wealth through an inheritance or from a divorce) are men, is absurd. I have yet to see a college girl that is having a harder time than a college guy financially. SA is still worse for women, even in the 1st world country. But socioeconomically young women are doing a lot better, yet people havent realized the shift and keep blaming men. That is bound to radicalize men, when they are constantly dismissed and told they arent welcome in society. Being told you are a rapist due to your genes, and that you are just good at hiding it. That you are the reason why women are oppressed, when you have never had an opportunity to do anything. And also being hated by your own mother, just because of your gender. It is insane. And unfortunately the redpill movement is the only one that agrees that there are issues to begin with.

[@LifeLikeSage]

The egalitarian religion they're pushing that must have men and women as fungible identical beings cannot accept the biological truths of how humans have reproduced, and are currently programmed to reproduce. They will never accept the truth you mention because it flies in the face of their egalitarian "truth". Also this is one of the most based comments made, kudos.

[@spesamissaest1312]

Summary of video is rich political elites telling young destitute men they're privileged and just to get over it.

[@SuperCoolSunglasses]

But they are literally telling that it is not mens fault and they should not be blamed about it?

[@spesamissaest1312]

​@@SuperCoolSunglasses They are. Who are you

[@spaceowl5957]

@@spesamissaest1312 This is not true at all. Did you even watch?

[@spesamissaest1312]

@@spaceowl5957 unfortunately yes. Truth hurts doesn't it. You fear the oppressed starting to break the chains?

[@spaceowl5957]

@@spesamissaest1312 What, who's oppressed? I'm a man too btw, I thought most of the perspectives in the video were very empathetic of mens struggles and encouraging.

[@dsaikon]

Another problem that may not be centered around the whole gender-topic outright, but still is very influential and important to everyoney are social media echochambers. We need to ENFORCE dislikes back to youtube. We need to allow negative feedback to exist on the internet and we need to emphasize Pluralism of Opinions. These echochambers do not only radicalize many people, they also spread outright lies for political agendas. This is in my humble opinion one of; if not the most important issue of our time, for every current generation.

[@anthonymcarthur6504]

I willing to bet an echo chamber algorithm lead everyone to this video

[@vaneriklucasan8365]

Today's Communism using Cultural Marxism via 4th Wave Feminism is to blame for messing with Men's Rights and by extent messing with Society

[@nopenahman7380]

lol I wrote a comment about how you should be more worried about internet censorship instead of seeking another means via which to seek to shame and censor people, and KZbin immediately censored it. Which only proves my point.

[@nopenahman7380]

lol I wrote a comment about how you should be more worried about internet censorship instead of seeking another means via which to seek to shame and censor people, and KZbin immediately censored it. Which only proves my point. Posted twice, perhaps that'll get through the censorship algo

[@LuxicCardinal]

yes, yes we do!

[@OneAmongBillions]

Men are needed as women are needed, to take action against the predatory, exploitive, and cruel among us.

[@charmyzard]

Who unfortunately are the ones behind modern women and their militancies.

[@Saberdud]

among us

[@spn7351]

mogus

[@crankyunicorn4423]

Finally some good sense

[@teafanatic8452]

AMONG US!!!!!!

[@richdobbs6595]

I think it is interesting that Neil Shyminsky brings up the concept young women go through life worrying about their safety in public spaces and that young men don't have the same concern. Statistically, men are at greater risk in most societies. But they don't worry about it, so they should be be listening to women's concerns. Even though they are at greater risk. And they aren't worrying about it.

[@mmm-xc8zk]

Yeah, that part was pretty bizarre. Being asked what we can do to bridge the divide between men and women he basically said 'men should listen to women because we live in a patriarchy' and to 'vaccinate yong children with feminism'. While the reason there is such a divide with many of these issues is, that we at this point literally ONLY listen to the women and that mens disadvantages are either claimed to be not real or that they can be ignored. And then again, coming from a very high status, privileged man (university professor in bloody Canada lol) who HIMSELF simply couldn't even understand what inequalities and fears 'ordinary' men face. He has once more managed to insert the notion of 'all mens problems are mens own fault because patriarchy and the only real victims are women' into the conversation.

[@sircastic959]

@@mmm-xc8zk Did we really expect any diffrent though? It is very notable that only one out of three guests hammers home the issues in education for boys and proposes solutions that directly arget those problems. At least the lady is mentioning hard economic factors. But, sorry, good luck changing those, unless you got a working fusion reactor lined up for the decade. The fact that we have to decarbonize alone is going to do very unpretty things to our global economy. There WILL be less to go around on a fundamental resource level and we are limited to improvements in efficiency through computing. (which is not going to be all that great for the labor market in the interim too) So you are simply NOT getting a break on the global economy side and have to assume that we will have to work with stagnation and won´t be able to get real growth. Rendering the proposed solution entirely wishful thinking. Or at best, very hard to pull off. Still, I can respect that approach. Meanwhile this quality educator sees the very culture war issues as a possible solution. "Men should listen to womens issues." Gotta be the BEST joke you can come up with when we are talking about young mens issues.

[@heltengundersen]

The people on this panel are extreme. I had about 10 WTF moments during this video. Quite remarkable statements, even from the very beginning when the guy needed to excuse talking about boys for 5 minutes by praising women's issues. There is no equality until it is possible to talk about boys' issues without this long tirade of "women have it bad" disclaimer. Disgraceful. Nobody has ever done the reverse in the last 100 years.

[@richdobbs6595]

​@@heltengundersen Still, this a mainstream channel that is government sponsored from Germany talking about issues that were considered fringe 6 years ago. The guy has always been on the soft, tepid side of advocacy for men and boys, but this was definitely the one where he was most weak in his advocay that I've ever heard.

[@kiri101]

I think this is another issue where there is a huge class divide and quite frankly the man speaking has had a soft life - I don't disagree with the rest of his points but if anything I think he's missing a trick, many young men and women could have a productive dialogue on safety in public.

[@KmIlo1897]

Imagine that in Argentina, a woman murdered her boyfriend from behind while driving a motorcycle.... they released a Netflix series where they made her look like the victim and she made money for it, the victim's family did not give permission because The movie was not faithful to the story. the feminist collective saw her as the victim and him as an abuser, none of their mutual friends endorse the story shown on Netflix..... if you every time put the men as the predator, you erase the empathy who deserves, obviously logical men never support these political message that hates man

[@KmIlo1897]

@MayankTrivedi2-bg3dg "Nahir"

[@herono-4292]

@@KmIlo1897 thanks

[@carriejh]

You can't be serious rn. Sometimes I can't believe the world.

[@StuJones-gn7te]

A significant number of female murderers have walked at trial by claiming abuse. Good thing for them, I wasn't on any of those juries.

[@MalesAreDemons]

@@StuJones-gn7teAnd the male violence all over the world?

[@PopeSaltyI]

"Men are no longer the main bread winner." True. But we are still judged by that ability. What's the first question asked after a woman mentions a new man in her life? "What does he do?" In other words, how much money does he make? Men are keenly aware that their ability to find a mate is linked to their income. It's a patriarchal attitude, and yet it is perpetuated as much or more by women then men. Is it any wonder a pay gap exists, when men are under so much more pressure to earn?

[@sor3999]

There is no pay gap. The winner of the economic Nobel prize last year pretty much debunked a lot of that. And the winner was a woman.

[@shraka]

That's not universal - it's VERY much an American thing. Outside a professional context you usually got quite deep into a conversation before anyone asks what someone else did in Australia up until the last 15-20 years. It's a social construct, not a natural way humans are. Sure we tend to try to seek our position in any social hierarchy, but not all hierarchies are as rigid or as one dimensional as the dominant U.S. culture is. Yes women reproduce patriarchy too. It's definitely not all women though, especially ones that can take care of themselves and aren't trash. Have a think about who really benefits from this crab fight over who gets paid more. It's not really the women who then get used to reduce the pay of men. It's the people who don't have to pay as much salary any more.

[@chrissnyder8108]

"What does he do?" doesn't translate to "how much money does he make?" in my book, it is more like "what are his interests/ skills?" in an effort to learn about a person socially or to be able to fit someone into a network of people who can be helpful to one another. Neither my husband nor I have ever been asked how much $ we make, nor do we feel the need to earn $ to impress others, it is just what is needed to survive. I have never asked a date how much $ they earned, I expect to and ask to pay my own way when I go out, and when I ask about what work they do, it is out of curiosity about what interests them and what their typical day is like. I've never had $ goals for myself or my household, I assume that I need to be thrifty to get by, and to work hard my whole life. I'm sorry if you feel women put economic pressure on you, but it is not all women who do that. In one of my earliest weekends visiting the guy I eventually married, I think he was testing me to see whether I was a needy princess; he made plans for us to work on expanding his garden beds by hauling several loads of manure and manually layering that over layers of cardboard. When I pitched in and worked as hard as he did and seemed to enjoy the work, I think he felt a lot more trusting of me. If you find a mutual charity that you and your date would like to support, spending a day together volunteering side by side can let you know whether she is only interested in being coddled, or whether she wants to give back to the world.

[@marte1376]

​@@sor3999 lol what did you read? Gender pay gap is a thing and it is proven.

[@viktordmitriev8973]

I think a lot of these opinions are out of touch with reality, basically books vs life. They keep blaming men's insecurities, desire to compete with their grandpas, need to out-status other men, and basically saying that men's internal issues is the problem of them turning more conservative. Have they considered that a lot of it is the environment, and many men simply don't support most modern liberal initiatives and movements? I used to be a lot more liberal 10 years ago, but whatever I see around in the US made me drift at least to the centrist views over the last decade.

[@poika22]

No it can't be that someone simply doesn't agree with modern liberal ideologies. It must be some deeply hidden trauma, it's the only explanation.

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

Men work for it women don’t Women get all the help when they want it, men don’t Men are abandoned, women are crowded that’s the difference

[@DarTame]

What do you expect when our gynocentric society treats young men as sub human?

[@Idontwantahandle3]

There's often an unspoken expectation that a man's worth is closely tied to his finances, especially in the eyes of the opposite sex. This can add an extra layer of complexity to dating and relationships in these modern times when many women are making as much as men. Many women still hold onto the traditional belief that a man should out-earn them to be considered valuable and worthwhile pursuits as potential partners, and many believe that men should still take up much of the financial responsibility in dating and the relationship. Now, you have to be a high earner as a man to, well, be a real man.

[@MeEntertainmentJo_876]

There was a video from Alice Cappell that talked about this some, that feminism has failed because its original goals have actually be discarded for this "consumer capitalism" version of feminism where traditional feminine values were actually not done away with. That means that hypergamy is still VERY MUCH a part of women's value set, which is anathema toward equality.

[@siyabongampongwana990]

Exactly...That's the main problem. Money makes the man when it comes to women. A criminal with a benz and all the flashy stuff gets more women they say...uh a man working in some lab trying to come up with a cure for cancer.

[@Janoip]

But at least we now get he funny Videos of Woman hitting the "Wall" and cry in social media about that@@MeEntertainmentJo_876

[@qibriti3220]

Maybe men need to start bringing more to the table, like household duties, like being faithful, like childrearing...

[@jasonhill2879]

@@qibriti3220they already do

[@JesseSGoossens]

Media and social media. Elites thrive on a polarised society

[@huginug]

exactly, how are people so blind that social media has rotted peoples minds and they all live in echo chambers

[@dr_flunks]

elites, non-elites, and everyone else thrives on polarization. also every other genus in the primate phyllum.

[@dannoringer]

I think younger people are less well equipped than more mature people in trying to avoid a place where different legitimate views are expressed in a non confrontational manner. I think quite often young people are sucked into echo chambers, where their own views are reinforced, only because of groupings online, whereas genuine debating skills are dying on the vine, because there are no platforms that provide serious discussion between serious people who genuinely wish to explore the landscape of an issue or area of thought. However to a degree even older people can be sucked into that context all too often, and find themselves in a cage with trolls who aren't interested in serious discussions, rather they wish to hurl rocks, and nothing more.

[@ronin6158]

working as intended

[@AlexMaloney-wr9mw]

Absolutely! In the corporations are very fond of women's liberation and empowerment as they are the bigger shoppers and more easily influenced by emotional shopping experiences

[@bush2239]

I was born into a world that does not want me, does not need me, and I am expected to keep my mouth shut and become another cog in the machine. I struggle every day, and I'm told that I am not; that I have the easiest life compared to everyone else. I have my dwindling family and a few good friends across the country. It's hard to see it now but I still will do my best to become a good, honest man, and give my best attempt at raising a family.

[@cvangemon1307]

That's the ideal way to look at it. Lead by example.

[@maartenkeus8627]

I feel you brother.. hang in there, we're all gonna make it

[@LifeLikeSage]

You give them too much. They don't deserve your progeny.

[@OGurm]

This struggle is common to all the generation: men, women - we all feel this way. You are definitely not alone. And as we are all in that, Instead of fighting each other, we would need to have a look on the system we live in. It was established in different historical, technical development contexts, without our influence, but we can influence it now to fix it, as it is something which is our responsibility.

[@stayingfitandfocused]

We playing on dark souls mode bro

[@benjamindavis2475]

Im a 31 yo man in Texas. I feel largely shielded from most of this, i feel like life is mostly good for me. My parents raised me to try hard and don't worry about what other people are doing. I am polite to women but i wouldn't let anyone walk all over me regardless of their gender. No one can stop me from being a good person, i just do what i think is right and look for people who respect that. In my experience everyone respects men who work hard and provide for people around them. That's my personal experience for what it's worth.

[@hydrocarbon82]

The problem with the US is your case is largely an exception to the norm, but USED TO BE the norm. Every young group is doing poorly compare to their grandparents at their age, but men can point out how their granddads were doing significantly better. One issue not really discussed is that social media is letting us compare each other with much more ease. That makes the legit probs white males face easier to see.

[@Josh-vc2ul]

I wish more Texans were of the Hank and Peggy Hill variety who, despite their son not conforming to stereotypes, loved him and were willing to put aside their own hangup if push came to shove and it was either be good to Bobby, or else reject him because he wasn't quite what they expected. Carry on being a good person, maybe you'll be someone else's role model or advocate

[@dfme0075]

Finally people start to talk about men issues. It is just such a pity that the reason they started to do so was because of muh "right-wing radicalization".

[@andriy_tato]

They talk about them not to solve them but to shut down the discourse.

[@JN-xs3bi]

The powers that be of today will never admit they made a bad system- at this point it appears they don't really care. You'll continue to see these attempts at rationalizing the failure.

[@2MileHighTsunami]

They're not ignorant or in denial. The system is setup the way it is explicitly to reduce fertility rates globally, in order to reduce world population. Remember how the world is overpopulated and its causing Global Cooling/Warming (now called Climate Change)? The solution is either you accept a 95% reduction in standard of living, or your population suffers social conditions which suppress fertility rates until conditions are met.

[@sdfggdfg5fgdfg]

You're wrongly assuming they were orientating themselves on reality, human nature, or the benefit of the commonwealth. It's just a big old blob of power and common interest, pulling everything to itself with sticky tentacles or if that fails snuffing out competition until ultimately the entire thing dies in an instant and everyone swaps sides to something else and the cycle repeats

[@cattysplat]

Oh they knew exactly what they were doing. They saw an easily manipulatable cheap workforce during wartime with getting women and mass immigration to replace men at work, thought lets sacrifice the next generation to make more dollars today. Well here we are, this is the endgame, everyone is a poorly paid worker in oversupplied workforces. Working so much nobody can afford to have children.

[@poika22]

The system is working exactly as intended.

[@RialuCaos]

Cancer has a way of overpowering all previously functioning systems, eventually becoming the main system, but it is really just a case of unchecked greed/self-interest which ultimately results in the death of the entire organism. Of course in this case, our society is that organism. Many systems in this world tend to repeat themselves at differing scales.

[@Cord741]

Being a male in their 20's, a lot of the comments on this video make good points one way or another. To me, it's not about men being upset about losing advantages. It's the constant reinforcement of lifting others up without feeling like there is any attention for your own issues (especially as a white male). I do see the irony in a white male feeling put down and marginalized. I am all for the empowerment of women and minorities, but it is difficult to have all of your own problems dismissed due to your identity. "You're a privileged white male, you don't have real problems, or they can't even hold a candle to ours". We do realize our adversity is different, but it feels entirely ignored, and we should be ashamed for even mentioning it.

[@d818581dd]

As a gay man it annoys me when I see comments like these. Completely out of touch with the experience of minorities, even today.

[@Cord741]

@@d818581dd We don't live each other's lives, so we cannot speak truth to what the other person feels. I respect your opinion, but we'll agree to disagree.

[@marinmundahl957]

I see your point and agree with what you are saying. A Buddhist would say we are all in a state of suffering and instead of pointing fingers we should be reaching for personal enlightenment.

[@MuslimVoicesPast]

ignore all the BS, powerful interests have good reasons for men in the West to feel emasculated and weak. Screw that, don't be overly concerned what society think, work to your own standards. This is what Men do. I assume your a decent human being so trust your own moral compass and don't let them gaslight you into being weak and going with the flow. Because as you can see in this vid, the trend for men especially is downwards, more unhappy, broke and lost. Train, get strong, learn valuable skills, make money and soon you'll be a man who has value to add to others and you'll feel good in the process

[@ScentlessSun]

@@d818581ddAs a straight white man with multiple handicaps my struggles are completely invisible to everyone except people that really know me. I look just like anyone else. You may say, the world will open doors for me that won’t open for other people. Well, I can’t walk through those doors. Everyone these days tries to play victim. White men have struggles. Straight men have struggles. Everyone hurts. We all just need to have empathy and stop acting like one group has it worst than another group. We are individuals. You can’t look at someone and have any idea what’s actually going on with them. Someone could look completely normal but actually be thinking of ending it. Empathy is the answer.

[@aucontraire1986]

As an ex red piller, here were my grievances: - Double standards in dating. When women have boundaries it’s because of “women’s intuition”. When men have standards it’s considered “insecure”. Women who defend men are called “pick me” women by society. - Men work some of the most dangerous jobs in the world yet there is a perception that a women can out earn men by simply creating an OnlyFans to get rich even though it offers less “value” to the world. - A realization among men that society will love women for being women, but men will only be loved based on what they provide or can offer in a relationship.

[@Baraborn]

Those things are still a problem, why aren't you still red pill?

[@dy4710]

Those are still an issue dude.. red pill, and you, are correct

[@RA-ms3je]

Yeah. So do footballers. And they are mostly men. What value does premier league have??

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@RA-ms3jeDon’t what ur babbling

[@pedro.pe916]

"Men want to be needed" means that every man need a job and a wage to live a normal peaceful life that he can possibly share with someone else. Anything less than that is not enough.

[@allister.trudel]

no that's just an opinion colored by a very capitalistic mindset of what it means to be useful. Being a stay at home dad caring for your kids would be a huge purpose, and to those kids you sure are a need, as figure for safety, fulfilling their basic needs such as preparing them food making them clean and teaching them how to become confident and kind humans. There's plenty of ways to find purpose and be useful in society outside of being exploited by a company to make some shareholders rich. And unfortunately, it's not realistic for most people to make it on only one income as a family, so two adults working is often a necessity. Personally, I'm disabled, I can't work, but I admin a couple groups on facebook that facilitate mutual aid which is sadly needed in about every society on earth. As a society we devalue unpayed work such as childcare and caring for sick family members, or caring for our poor neighbours, but these are all very real needs that people need to fulfill, and lots of people doing those things find their purpose in life doing just that much more than their corporate work. I mean these (child/elder/patient care) are also literal careers, as is working for non-profits that help homeless or otherwise disadvantaged people for example, no need to do it for free to be useful and find purpose in that way.

[@pedro.pe916]

@@allister.trudel men want to feel useful in a different way. Don't use your female perspective to define how a man feels useful.

[@kidkangaroo5213]

​@@allister.trudel best comment under this whole video

[@chrissnyder8108]

Yes, not everyone is getting a job anymore; lots of us have had to figure out how to be self-employed, both men and women, as a matter of survival. Since I lost my job in 2001, just before 9/11 economic downturn, I've had "a job" for exactly 10 months, the rest of that time I've been self-employed doing contract labor which is a feast or famine scenario. There is no end of work that needs to be done and problems that need to be solved. Maybe your work life is not going to meet your father's definition of success of working for at most 1-3 employers in your life, climbing the corporate ladder, getting steady benefits and wage increases, but it is a different world now where competition is global. But every nation on earth is suffering the effects of climate change, so there is so much that needs doing; find a problem to solve that will help others, and tackle it, and people who have jobs that need doing, whether for employees or for contract labor, will take notice of your initiative and ask for your help solving other problems.

[@kant.68]

@@allister.trudel No woman is willing ti mantain a man all his life

[@medteqsupportvideos2863]

A big part is the assumption that everyone should go to university, which is demoralizing in many ways. For many people, men and women, it just doesn't fit, and at 18yo it's too early to decide anyway. It costs a lot of money, puts people in debt and if there's no job at the end it kills your self confidence. Trades and other pathways to a job should be seen as excellent choice, a degree can always come later. Having a trade, the ability to build, create and actually do stuff is far more valuable degree. Governments around the world need to put in place policies (not just words) that put trades on equal or better footing as a degree

[@corvacopia]

It used to be a lot cheaper to go to university in America, for a long time in California they were totally tuition free, so as the costs changed the choice you’re referring to becomes harder

[@ex7229]

I dropped out of college after a year. No one took college seriously everyone got drunk and a lot the staff just talked about their ideology. It was not a welcoming environment for socially for me. It was a very good life decision. I make a good wage and support my wife and children.I went into IT and got certifications and real work experience.

[@miguelgarcia6493]

You can easily say the trades aren't meant for everyone else as well. There is no one size fits all solution. Just like a lot of degrees offered by colleges aren't worth it, you can say the same for some of the trades as well.

[@davidprini8681]

Trades is a good option. This year in Ontario, they implemented a mandatory grade 9 trade course for everyone- 6 weeks about construction (wood shop) and 6 weeks in auto body shop. My son cannot wait, and as a carpenter who got into it as a second career, I couldn’t be happier.

[@poika22]

@@miguelgarcia6493 Yeah but there's massive cultural pressure in the Western world for young people to go to college. And in many cases that leads to people applying for some bs degree that teaches no real skills "just to go to college" because learning something like mathematics or engineering is really hard. There isn't much cultural pressure if any for people to go learn a trade unless they're interested in one.

[@Blakelikesfood]

"Far Right" Give it a rest

[@MCArt25]

It's almost as if sweeping economic and social reforms are the way to go, and not blaming specific groups of people for everybody's problems.

[@SPAMMAN123456789]

id say they are already happening, or at least right now is a time where things are reaching a critical point. Lets make sure that we dont make these changes without compassion and also correct information

[@RedTurtleCorporation]

These “experts” are horrifically out of touch. I get it now, I have to solve the problems I face completely alone. The help isn’t coming anytime soon and that terrifies me. I feel more and more alone as every day passes. 24 is tough. Guys if you don’t have someone that you can reach out to and talk about the HEAVY stuff that weighs you down. I beg you to find one. Those people are the only reason I’m still here today.

[@Taylor-rw4le]

Start with 1 push up, 1 page of a book, 1 interaction, whatever it is that will help you comfortably grow out of wherever you're stuck. I don't believe that when we are down anyone will actually face our issues with us, but I do think people feel they have no choice when you build yourself up to be something greater than yourself. A sad reality, people are only out to really support the men that will help them gain something as in men who've already figured things out for the most part, those who don't outwardly show whatever that value potential for society is, are not given the time. Just gotta figure it out for yourself first.

[@user-zy4wv7yx1z]

Almost everyone has to solve their own problems. Welcome to adulthood. Men or woman, adults are out there solving their own problems and taking care of themselves. Sounds like the real world was a shock to you, maybe you were coddled too much as a child

[@Lightspectre1]

I'm right there with you, my friend. God is our only ally, and He will give us justice. They nailed him to a cross for it, but He defeated death. You can too, boy. You can too. Success will be our revenge. God will be our justice. Trump will help, though he is only a man. Most importantly, keep faith. Without faith all of it is hopeless.

[@panperl1212]

@@Lightspectre1 People like you being wholesome with each other scares them.

[@crazyewok8742]

I would agree. The only one that seemed to know what he’s talking about was Richard Reeves. But you are not alone and nothing in life can be done alone. Just remember no matter how hopeless it seems everything will be alright and there are people that want to help you and care for you

[@TheRedandWhit]

I remember. Not too long ago when Jorden Peterson was the most dangerous man. and how he was the most dangerous thing young men and boys could listen to. I think the most important point was that Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are symptoms and not the problem. Ignoring men's socioeconomic problems is a racipe for disaster. We did it a 100 years ago, and we are doing it now. Strap in and good luck to everyone. It's going to be a bumpy ride, the next 20 years ❤

[@ryuuguu01]

Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are both symptoms and part of the problem.

[@coma3550]

Agreed.

[@slooob23]

Why would Jordan Peterson be a "problem"? Do you seriously believe that him and Tate are even remotely on the same page?

[@TheRedandWhit]

@slooob23 I was being sarcastic. And that peterson and tate appeal to a lot of the same people. And there are a groupe of men are not satisfied with life, and that can be really dangerous.

[@Dirtydreamer2023]

Oh wow, how could you compare Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson?

[@schimenykrikets9692]

so women are more susceptible to emotional manipulation into false realities

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

When Ms Evans was referring to "the crisis of masculinity" she alleges that men view women as a lower status so if they are unemployed or don't have a nice house and get rejected, THAT is why... Because they view women as lower status. I think that's condescending bollocks! The problem is literally in what she said: First off, "their advances"... First problem is guys are always expected to have to make the first move, its stressful, puts us in an exposed position and NOBODY ever asks US out in return. Secondly, she's already characterising them as low status because of their employment status or because of their house etc. In relationships, women judge men on these things, but women don't typically get judged in return. If women insist on tieing men's worth to things like their jobs, is it any wonder that there is friction when men are struggling to get ahead? Men don't look down on women because of their jobs, but she is literally proving the point that women absolutely do that to men.

[@mariocuric6690]

We were promised an easier life if our women work. Now we have both partners work for nothing! No chance of owning a home, while our fathers on their own managed to build a house. This "feminism" brought us slavery for our women! Work is a necessity, while it's now sold as a choice? What choice do we have??? Non, work or die!

[@mohammedalkhashab4052]

It's almost like labor is also subject to supply and demand, double the supply of labor and the value of labor drops

[@mariocuric6690]

@@mohammedalkhashab4052 crazy, explains why politicians allow illegal immigration in rich countries

[@cattysplat]

@@mohammedalkhashab4052 Then add globalism mass migration to that to make it even worse.

[@poika22]

@@mohammedalkhashab4052 And almost like halving the value of labor was always the point...

[@LewisBDurden]

This entire thing is written from a clearly liberal bias, with my taxes as a German taxpayer, and without my consent. No wonder men are frustrated sometimes... I have many issues with the argumentation used, like for example, does education level necessarily correlate with capacity to produce actual value and collaborate in the economy? Is the rise of women in the corporate world based on merit or is it artificially promoted by a certain agenda where the public and private sector mingle? Why is there no mention or comment about the rise of liberal thinking in females, is that a positive thing? Bias and unfairness everywhere I look, in those waving the equality flag, paid with the excessive tax burden on my hard work. Do the world a favor and buy yourselves a mirror.

[@jmanakajosh9354]

Does staying in school past undergrad because you can't get a job in the private sector and you take the easy path forward indicate you're productive for society? I don't know but if we get a panel of Ph.D's I'm sure they'll give us a study in 3-5 years.

[@animerage1862]

Reading these comments disheartens me to hear how men struggle to be heard by women. As a woman myself, ive always made it clear to the men in my life that if they need someone to talk to or vent to im here to lend an ear. Its only been the past couple years a few of them started taking up that offer and while there are of course differences between any group, most of the time the problems and headaches they have are the same or similar issues i have gone through/am going through. We are all human, yes we are all different and have different problems due to it, but we all also have very similar issues and feelings. At the end of the day, we have more in common than not, and people tend to forget that. If you are a woman, hear out the men in your life. Everyone is just trying to get by and survive. And same vice versa.

[@spaceowl5957]

Very true, thanks for caring :)

[@s12y6o24]

Going from what i've been hearing from men: it sounds like most of the women who've asked this either didn't mean it, didn't realize what they were getting into, or even used what they said against them so they were burned or shamed into being silent again. That being said: it's probably the worst cases that tend to get the most attention, and hopefully there'll be more like yourself that are willing to hear them out as time goes on.

[@dragon-2922]

Nobody needs your pity

[@tango976]

Fundamental misunderstanding. Men don't want your understanding or coddling. We want success and power. >Property Ownership >Marriage with the position of patriarch >Children >A functional way to grow more wealthy The above points are what we want. We don't want to talk to women about our feefees, we don't want to be "validated" or "seen".

[@UberDragon]

For a lot of men it's not even easy to have very many normal close relationships with women to care for them to begin with. The entire social construct makes it not exactly unlikely that a man will only really know the women who are the wives and girlfriends of their friends. They're afraid to want to get to know them closer, because it could be interpreted as competing for that woman. Social media popularizing content and terms that antagonizes some men is shockingly effective at making all men feel more insecure, even just about normal interactions. For instance a man might just want to get to know a woman, but feels like any way he can think of might easily be misinterpreted as them being a 'creep'. This insecurity may go as far as making them believe that getting to know a woman with the idea of potentially finding a partner is straight up wrong, even though it really shouldn't be. So instead they would go to a dating platform, where the idea of finding a partner is mutual, but then most likely not be met with much success, because most dating platforms have a significant gender imbalance, which makes it really hard for men to find a match and very easy for them to have their self esteem shattered.

[@RealMajora]

I find it weird that you'd say something is going on with young men when the charts from those different countries show young men's political views are relatively stable over time with young women's views shifting radically. Kind of wack tbh.

[@leftgrrl]

Maybe it would be better if the young men still had traditional 1950s internet access to fit their mindset, and the women had the dangerous modern internet connectivity to suit theirs.

[@privatebandana]

I like how the assumption is that boys moving to the right are wrong, while the women moving left are correct. Maybe narrative driven reporting like this is one of the many reasons this is happening?

[@slawekra4822]

Firstly men and women are not equal physically, nor psychologically. Secondly, 'equality' only exists one way - women get all the privileges men previously received, while they don't pick up the burden that men do. Let's go through some examples... In Poland men retire at 65, while women retire at 60 despite the fact men live on average around 8 years less than women (men around 74, women around 81-82). In Ukraine men cannot leave the country, however women, even those that are single and young which could do non-combatant roles can leave and live off welfare of their neighbouring countries whilst partying and sleeping with other men in foreign cities. In South Korea men have to do military service while women don't. In all cases women theoretically should have those advantages, however women no longer maintain some of the perceived 'burdens' of being a women such as most importantly giving birth, having enough children to maintain our nations (I don't think I need to mention about the fertility rates in the last 20-25 years in all these countries). It goes down to this, women maintain their privileges while abandoning their perceived burdens. Men maintain their perceived burdens, however lose their previously perceived 'privileges'.

[@xyzain_1827]

If you keep on telling men it's a problem that they brought upon themselves and it's something they should find a solution by themselves, you get Andrew Tate as the answer.

[@ThickAccount]

While you notice some of the problems, your discussion of solutions is completely absurd, suggesting solutions which may lead to even bigger problem than before. What I got from that discussion is "Oh, they say that gov doesn't care about suicides among males? Let's tell them they're wrong! Good job everyone!" or "Yeah, there are problems about the femism, so let's fix men to accept the femism as the best solution and absolute truth.". Inequalities were made in favour of women yet the solution for you seems to be forcing men to accept then for no reason, no explanation. I guess I should get some popcorn.

[@LifeLikeSage]

There's a reason why the most based circle for men has the following saying: *Enjoy the decline fellas.*

[@blaiseutube]

In the USA, the education difference between Hispanic men and women is greater than any other group, in favor of women. In general, married couples will divorce once the man's financial contribution begins to plateau. So men face the prospect of losing home, property and family when they are most vulnerable. I don't think that gender equality is the issue as much as the transactional nature of relationships.

[@FieldMarshalFeels]

Well said.

[@oskar4437]

money is always the problem in this world where you need it for everything

[@by010]

Transactional nature of relationships surely is big component of the underlying problem, but I wouldnt write entire thing off as just that.

[@corvacopia]

Some of those are definitely transactional, as your described, and another component that is important to keep in mind is that people who are in abusive relationships will often stay in them because they do not have the means to survive outside of them, which also contributed to those numbers. I wonder if there’s any way to collect data on how much there is of each

[@someonerandom704]

@@corvacopiathe problem is that many of the bad ways that women treat men (both in relationships and otherwise) are not considered abusive. When a guy loses his job and gets dumped (usually for a guy the gf finds on a dating app), people side with the woman.

[@archie7218]

The problem is that young men are being punished for a ‘patriarchal’ system that their fathers and grandfathers may have benefited from, but they haven’t. There is no patriarchy for the young generation, women do better in education and earn more in their 20’s- but there is still a social agenda that acts as if women’s equality is still a huge issue, whereas men’s issues are not covered or are talked about in disparaging ways.

[@CraigJS91]

Women have already achieved equality in the sense that they have the same opportunity to do anything men do. The fact that there aren't as many female engineers is not necessarily a problem that needs to be fixed. It could be, and studies back this up, that Women on average just tend to prefer different types of jobs. Notice how no-one ever points out how it's an injustice that teaching, human resources, cosmetology, and nursing are fields totally dominated by women.

[@pinkkitty16]

Having women in all industries is important because men only see half of the world. Engineering problems need creativity and employing people with different experiences can only be a boon. A lot of the problems with women entering certain fields is social. Male dominated fields are often hostile to women so only the truly motivated will stick with it. Gender equality should allow for people to pursue what they want. There are plenty of men in nursing but it's grueling work that requires compassion and men want the status of being doctors.

[@CraigJS91]

​@@pinkkitty16 a.) There are zero fields in the united states that are hostile to women in 2024. On the contrary, most fields go out of their way to hire women, sometimes even to the detriment of more experienced men. This doesn't mean that some companies don't do sexist stuff, or have sexist employees, but you mentioned entire fields, not just individual companies or people. b.) as an Engineer myself I can guarantee you that simply having a vagina in no way shape or form gives you any creative edge over a man in engineering, same with men and their penis. Genitals aren't where creativity comes from. c.) I agree with your 2nd to last sentence completely. And so does the rest of the country. d.) I wouldn't call nursing "grueling". My wife is an ER nurse which for my money is the most demanding subsection of nursing. I wouldn't, and she wouldn't, call her job grueling. Challenging, sure. Frustrating at times, definitely. Emotionally taxing, sure. Grueling? Nah, she isn't digging ditches or laying bricks in the hot sun for 12 hours a day.

[@markotoshich7676]

Tate is a straw man argument here. He is horrible on his own, but he is just unhealthy reaction to the real problem. Maybe we should look into who is causing this divide. Who is baselessly accusing all men(from boys) of being essentially wrong(toxic, bad, even evil). And we are wondering why men in South Korea(and other places) are dissatisfied? Fertility rate in South Korea is 0.84 children per woman. It is society collapsing in front of our eyes and young men are disenfranchised. It is not about competition between sexes, it is about breakup of traditional cooperation that has existed in every successful society.

[@markotoshich7676]

@@ThePoodle Well, it is a worldview and you may share it without fully understanding. But many do participate in this misandry and it's final expression is in disregard society has for the problems faced by men. As it is said in this videos disparity in suic.ide rates is ignored. I will add, also ignored, disparities in homelessness, imprisonment, shooting by cops, work related injuries, graduation rates... Additionally, in popular culture, men are more frequently than not presented as uninteligent drunkards, incompetent and overall useless. This attitude is percolating through education system as well as other social institutions.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Equating the societal attitudes of Western countries to South Korea is a poor equivalency. There are social and institutional elements that get in the way of South Korea's cultural development, such as Neo Confucianism, which cripples South Koreas ability to resolve societal issues issues. Further more, no one is saying that men are evil, rather that there are problems within our current patriarchal system that needs to be resolved.

[@markotoshich7676]

@@SleepyMatt-zzz Cultural development? Since when do we call decay and collapse of societies developement? Situation in US is bad as 50% of people are unmarried and 50% of women do not have children. It is a society where collapse is masked by huge immigration. Europe is even worse as there is less immigration. Japan and Korea have virtually no immigration, so there the situation has become very obvious. Feminism and dismantling of tradiotional values are destroying affected populations. It is worse than what horrible wars on 20th century have done. But for the ideologues the reality is much less important than their ideology.

[@LifeLikeSage]

Tate is just capitalizing on young men being in a bad position, the same way the failed painter led the Germans in WW2 because they had little-where else to turn. If you don't want people to turn to failed painters, give them a way out.

[@Ketol1510]

Young men grow up and are told constantly that their masculinity is the problem and that they're protective nature is a problem/sexist. It makes complete sense that the right/conservative side of politics attracts more young men because they actively speak to young men and don't attempt to blame them for all of society's problems. No matter you're political viewpoints its obvious to see that at the very least one side wants the votes of young men more. (I would love to say that one side "cares" more for young men but who in politics actually tends to care for their supporters, beyond empty promises?)

[@theadamhillier]

"Young men grow up and are told constantly that their masculinity is the problem". I'd actually argue right wing populists amplify the idea that the left is saying this is the problem, when in reality many feminists actually understand that traditionally masculine values, when not taken to a toxic extreme (hence toxic masculinity) are actually okay. Look, men being expected to do all the work, told to bottle up their feelings, etc. are all examples of toxic masculinity. I think both of us can agree these are very much toxic values. The ultimate truth is, these right wing guys (like all populists) offer simple solutions to very complex societal issues. The solution to fixing this fundamentally toxic way of thinking, while keeping the good parts of masculinity, is education and increased access to mental health resources, along with destigmatization. Of course, it's a lot more appealing to say "just work out, get gains, make money" than "solve societal issues". In our post truth world, optics and simple solutions sadly often matter more than policy.

[@larsreckert5423]

I don't need a man or a woman to define for me what I should be. Women should... Men are supposed to... Women are... Men are... That's all BS. Find your own way.

[@montezuma6962]

Finding your own way is exactly what the feminists can't tolerate.

[@tungstenogamign]

@@montezuma6962 that is literally what feminism is about 😭😭equality for everyone

[@aaronamour6101]

@@tungstenogamign Very debatable. Reading a lot of feminist literature, including early works, strongly suggest that women who wish to stay at home are oppressed and brainwashed. I'm not saying all of it is like this or that all feminists believe it's a fundamental part of feminist literature to say: "Women should...."

[@Sus-bw8lv]

@@tungstenogamign thought feminism is about being feminine

[@Roo-vy2cI]

​@tungstenogamEquality for all? That's a lie. Feminism is nothing more than an exercise in lifting women

[@aruunmenon]

No real empathy, no real desire for helping, just a fear of consequences and a desire to GAME men to avoid that.

[@johnfisher8401]

whats weird is ive yet to see any women acknowledge this reality, do they genuinely not see this? If so, yikes.

[@SnakeSalmon8izback]

@@johnfisher8401 why would they see it? they literally are not men.

[@BeanBossing]

@@SnakeSalmon8izback Now here is something ive always wondered why its never happened, trans women are some of the few women who have litteraly experienced the issues that men have in their lives, now as women they still have a stronger understanding of this then alot of cis women would have, in a similar way to how cis women have a stronger understanding on period / pregnancy stuff then trans women would. Yet why don't trans women and men work to removing these struggles that affect both?

[@BeanBossing]

Something has to be different because from what I have seen trans men and women are very good at supporting eachother and helping promote each others issues

[@T51B1]

@@johnfisher8401 They possibly do but they don't care because it doesn't help them.

[@MegaMaxAle]

The experts in lots of moments use buzzwords, as if what they are supposed to mean is a very clear definition. But these buzzwords arent even things that are a consensus. you guys need in the very least explain exactly what they mean with words like "gender equality", "patriarchy".... "patriarchy" is used so broadly now a days that everything can be considered patriachical. What are they basing themselfs when they says that women face patriarchy and sexsism? Isnt patriarchy supposedly sexism suported by the state? The same issue i see with the term "gender equality". Are we talking about equality of outcome or oportunity? They are both very diferent things that very often even in academia get mixed. These are terms that are no consensus, therefore i find it dificult to know exactly what these experts mean. (ps: excuse my spelling mistakes, im not a native english speaker)

[@tatianatub]

> "patriarchy" is used so broadly now a days that everything can be considered patriachical. please look up "how patriarchy hurts men too"

[@MegaMaxAle]

And wich of the many versions of patriarchy is this? This is not even a definition of patriarchy. Its only about supposed consequences of something they name patriarchy. Because they never frame what exactly it is. This is what im talking about. What exactly is this patriarchy? Define it before you talk about the "consequnces" of it. Because if you cant even define where patriarchy starts and ends, how do you even know it is causing all of this things you are claiming?@@tatianatub

[@corvacopia]

In academia, there is often specific definitions used for those things, but there is a lot of dissonance because that is different than how the broader public uses them

[@aAverageFan]

The word 'toxic masculinity' is even more nonsensical and meaningless

[@Silent1fd]

"Do their kids need them, do their wives/ girlfriends need them?"... As someone who is absolutely alone in this life, truly worthless, I can't fathom someone who has found love in any capacity would want to kill themself. I stave off the void, for now, but if I had any hope, anyone who cared, I would stay for that alone.

[@hyperteleXii]

The problem is that love is an illusion that can also destroy you. Many men *thought* they had found love "in any capacity", stayed for it, and got burned *even worse for staying.* Personally I wasted 6 years ultimately getting cheated on and dumped because I wasn't strong enough, self-respecting enough, to walk away when I saw the red flags.

[@arnelange6214]

Just leaving this here to let you know that you are not alone and that it will most likely pass. It did for me after some very dark years. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not into something perfect. But you are much more likely to get out of this void than to remain. Stay strong!!

[@shraka]

@@hyperteleXii Agree. I think one of the truly broken parts of our society is the importance we put on relationships and the amplification of our desire to be useful into this desire to be 'needed'. I've had a few relationships that were pretty bad for me - and alienated me from my support network - and I stuck around because it was what I was supposed to do. After about 4-6 years romantic relationships are much more like close friendships anyway (with more intimacy and being more inter-twined). I think a big part of the problem is it's a social faux part for guys to show up for their friends in the same way women show up for each other.

[@shraka]

In our society nobody really 'needs' anyone. They might want them, and get something useful from them, but that's different from really needing someone. If you think of it like that you can do this with your friends. That's the fundamentals of a romantic relationship anyway.

[@shinichisan6789]

I felt that I’m completely alone too

[@swedemartyrsonswade]

In my opinion, We were so empowering one spectrum of Gender and leaving the other one like nothing at all. If empowering both we would not have this problem at all. We have women's month but in the end, we don't celebrate men's month.

[@dennischiu272]

In mine, empowering a group which already has power is an oxymoron.

[@caseywike614]

In our society, women are seen as possessing hypo-agency. This means that people think they are less capable then they really are. This causes them many problems in life that men don't face. However, those seen as less able are also seen as more deserving of help and assistance. Because women are falsely seen as weak, they are easily seen as victims. Conversely: men are seen as possessing hyper-agency. This means that people think they are more capable then they really are. This causes them many problems in life that women don't face. One of those problems is the difficulty people have seeing men as victims. All three of those presenters clearly think that women are often victims of sexism, but are unable to see men the same way.

[@henrytep8884]

How many holidays do I get for men every year? Let’s see, I get Martin Luther King day, Washington birthday, Columbus Day, veteran day, 4th of July. How many days off do I get for women based off holidays, ….., ………, none. Men get alot of representation on a systemic level in a patriarchy, color me shock.

[@vervetech9395]

You think young men have "power"? They struggle far more than young women and society and the media keeps demonizing them because of their gender. And I don't blame women, men allowed this kind of feminism that demonize men to exist. All this couldn't have happened if men didn't allow it because this doesn't happen in countries that are less liberal.

[@r.s.4672]

That's because EVERY month is "men's month."

[@Idiomatick]

I've said I'm Equalist, not Feminist for over a decade now. And about half the time I get called a bigot. So yeah... its a problem.

[@srenpedersen5862]

Im just tierd of bieng the "problem" Im am a white scandinavic man 33 yers, wife and 2 kids. hard low incom job and a house... im i evil ? For wishing for a better futher? Or be happy for All the Bill are payed this time?

[@ferriswill4929]

Of course you aren’t evil. The worst parts of men are those parts that seek status and power. You clearly put the love of your family and their reliance on you first… that’s something to be proud of and no real feminist would tell you otherwise.

[@user-eh2hj8bx6O]

If you're a good dude then no one is calling you evil. Do you respect your wife? Divide duties fairly? Are you a good dad? Yes? Then stay unbothered and maybe stop listening to sources of toxic masculinity.

[@ryuuguu01]

Are people saying you are the problem? If you are cheering on Andrew Tate and Jordon Peterson types then you are part of the problem. Nothing in your post sounds like you are part of the problem.

[@Janoip]

in social media a ton of woman do + all the '# we need no men, men are trash, street interviews would a world wihtout men be better 90% of the women (mostly thank god in the us) say yes@@user-eh2hj8bx6O

[@Scapestoat]

​@@user-eh2hj8bx6OWouldn't it be sources of toxic feminism that would make him (or rather "men") out to be the problem? As someone who is gender-fluid, I can tell you that it is equally tiring when people assume you're a man, and thus you are guilty for all crimes of all men, or when people assume you're a woman, and thus incapable.

[@TaeKwonDoDoNL]

Neil Shymynski is the epitome of why men rail against the current changes in the system. Hearing his tone-deaf talking, it is striking to see him completely ignore the issue being discussed and waive it away as "these men need to stop whining". And if this was not his message, he failed at delivering his message. In the mean time, the wealth hoarding by corporations and the top 0.01% seem to be the root of the issue as this has taken away much of the broader economic possibilities for everyone.

[@hananokuni2580]

The rise of digital commerce and digital everything else has facilitated greatly the commission of good, but also the commission of bad and under the guise of minding their own business, the biggest corporations have gone about amassing ever more wealth and centralizing more and more ownership of the same, in the process reducing economic opportunities for everyone else, even as new ones arise. The proper thing to do is to adapt to the changes in paradigm, but what can be done about those who have indeed become enslaved to their _gluttony_ and are not content merely with winning, but can only be satisfied when they see others fail? Too bad there are those who fail to realize that even having all the world's gold under one roof will not add even one second to their lives, not to mention that they will have no choice but to leave it all behind when their time is up.

[@LifeLikeSage]

Reminds me of when this whole divisionary "Left vs. Alt Right" clownshow stuff started, right after the occupy wallstreet movement. *"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"*

[@otashigo]

You keep bringing up that women are more college educated but didn't mention the cause which is discrimination in the base of sex in order to get more enrollments for women and afirmative action to get more subsidies. How will not they be ahead on the education field when they are given all of those benefits in the detriment of men?

[@sor3999]

They want equal outcomes, not equal opportunity. Even then the outcomes aren't equal at all.

[@MrGeoSim]

I can't take that professor from Cambrian college seriously. He has the audacity to say that men can walk through the world without fear of danger while women constantly worry about their physical safety?! This is gaslighting plain and simple. The fear of possible danger is why men are far more likely to take up combat sports or carry firearms. 80% of murder victims are men, NOT women! Men are socially inculcated to live a life of deference to the fears and needs of women while it is THEIR fears and needs that go neglected.

[@spaceowl5957]

True the statistics paint exactly the opposite picture

[@yurik8468]

@@spaceowl5957 Not relevant. Misunderstanding According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 79% of homicide victims are men. This is the only statistic he cites. You disgust me

[@tay_paradox]

@@yurik8468 i think you misread what he said, he was agreeing

[@yurik8468]

@@tay_paradox Oh, I didn't read it correctly.

[@porcelaincrown]

I agree that men have to go through a lot but I think its important to recognise that men still have a fighting chance. I know that as a women, I am biologically weaker than men, and even though I do practice self defence, I am helpless if anyone decides to actually attack me. I think its important to recognise that a lot of the paranoia women have towards violence isnt completely unfounded because of statistics.

[@suspendedhatch]

If my main partner in life is a woman, then I benefit a great deal by uplifting her instead of competing with her. And with her uplifting me. Filling in for each other complementary and making space for each other in areas where we are both strong.

[@LifeLikeSage]

Yes, but what makes you think those pushing the counter narrative want you to have a strong nuclear family?