The effect of gender disparities on men

[@lambro3001]

I decided to get a Bachelor's in Accounting after I retired from my 1st career. Every class I attended was dominated by women. It was eye opening.

[@electron6825]

Accounting dept at my job is mostly women. In fact, most departments have a majority of women, now that I think about it.

[@PLF...]

that women switch careers?

[@lambro3001]

@@electron6825 I decided to get into government auditing. I have 4 "bosses," you could say, all at different levels. All of them women. They're also probably the best supervisors I've ever had. The take over is real.

[@alr8141]

If you’re a guy at a university, you practically have a harem at your disposal. I’m currently experiencing this.

[@montyi8]

​@@alr8141isn't that a good thing?

[@onlyamir4ge]

Really pleasantly surprised that a major new outlet would actually report on this. Thanks, CBS.

[@bartley7953]

Thanks ?? the main stream " media " amongst others have had a war on men for years , the last thing they should be getting is thanks .

[@godthisisannoying]

They still managed to make it plenty condescending

[@redbaron07]

@@godthisisannoying Yes they had to kiss the ring of those who are really in power in academia and broadcasting.

[@aerobiesizer3968]

You misspelled news, FYI

[@redbaron07]

@@bruhl5709 To know who truly rules over you, find out whom you are not allowed to criticize. So that would be old-guard feminists (occupying senior positions in HR and academia). And hard-left-leaning men who will happily throw other men and boys under the bus to assuage their white guilt / virtue-signal that they are "the _good_ ones" (and please don't cancel us!). Which sector of academia? The top, and all the way down!

[@bigstunna2049]

I appreciate cbs covering this topic. The problem isn't men are doing worse because women are empowered. We need young men and women to be helped in different ways

[@talbertofdz]

It's not true

[@bowez9]

If women don't want to talk to men about their problems do you think men want to tell women thier problems?

[@myopicchiwawa]

I predict a massive increase in single mothers because female hypergamy won't allow a female PhD grad to marry a plumber or electricians. 45% of women will be single and childless.

[@williamravisburn2651]

The problem is that their solution to inequality was to doll out privilege. But then again, I don’t think feminism was ever truly about equality.

[@bubbleboy821]

Women get the ick if you have problems, they don't care

[@kevinmcgrane4279]

I read Reeve’s book. It’s good. His book gives a fuller picture of the issue. One reason for the book is the lack of social interest in the problem. One scenario defines it well, which is the gap of men & women attending university - that 50 years ago, 13% fewer women attended university than men and it motivated society to create Title IV and programs to remedy the problem. Today the gap has flipped and the percentage of women over men is 15%, higher than in the past men-over-women 13%, yet nearly no one sees this as a problem. Reeves goes to great lengths in his book to affirm the justice of women’s full inclusion in all levels of society, but the human loss regarding the growing situation of boys&men in the US must be resolved.

[@prism8289]

The shocking thing is that people are shocked thaf if you spend 50 years systemically, strategically, intentionally pushing men down and women up politically, culturally, economically, and educationally, you will end up with a disparity and imbalance.

[@prism8289]

The bottom line is discrimination is illegal. That is unless you want to discriminate against white men, then have at it all you want and no one will lift a finger.

[@LesCish]

Does he go into absolutes in terms of numbers? A flip in those percentages could be due entirely to more women attending college; to fewer men attending; or to any combination.

[@cs8712]

At this rate a college degree will be worthless soon, so that's good

[@kevinmcgrane4279]

@@LesCish You may want to read his book and its footnotes to answer your questions.

[@ElenaDelgado_EarlyShow_EHS2024]

The thing is, having a bachelors degree does not mean you will have everything your parents gave you.😢

[@DanielL-j1h]

About to turn to a life of crime to get rich. I don't care anymore. I'll just take my own life if I get caught by the stupid authorities

[@captainsavem]

bachelors degree is the new high school diploma, pretty useless without job experience

[@weird-guy]

A lot of college degree holders people in my country aren’t even in jobs that require degrees, also trades pay about the same as some college degrees nowadays but men are more likely to work in trades than women and women prefer jobs with a lot of soft skills like healthcare,education, social work. Also women don’t renegociate salaries and are less combative with less financial literacy

[@paulineb66]

No, you will have debt!

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

Yep. It does mean a lot of debt, on the other hand, unless you're lucky enough to have parents or SOs who will fund the cost upfront. This issue definitely needs more investigating: is it better to be a graduate with middle income but high debt or a school leaver with slightly lower income but no debt?

[@jerseycaptive]

If someone needs motivation and help, their gender shouldn't matter. I'm happy at the strives women have made, and I pray for its continuance. I also pray for the self-motivation and self-worth awareness of men. The success of all genders is needed, and it doesn't take the downfall of other or opposite genders to fulfill that success.

[@sammygoodnight]

What do you mean by "success?" Does one need a college degree to be considered "successful?"

[@andresgonzalez9732]

@@sammygoodnight Not quite, as success can be accounted for in many areas in life. However, in this report they are using the lack of overall academic success as the reflection of a wider problem that affects the self-worth of many.

[@abramtreadwell722]

Well said.

[@jaydenbrockington4525]

I think the problem is people keep saying men should help themselves and don’t pay the problems they face any real mind

[@jerseycaptive]

@sammygoodnight - No. I just mean the success of just being here. Just existing and living.

[@ev1558]

As a son, father, sibling, etc, I've never understood people who hate on the other sex. I want the women and the men to be happy and succeed.

[@briannerk3373]

The actual pushers of this ideology do not want an equal and harmonious society. The reason is: if you are not discriminating especially against innocent people, then the divide and conquer strategy does not work. Meanwhile, the top 1% (who literally own the major news media and government) run out the back door with 50 trillion dollars in net worth while they laugh.

[@cole6122]

That's not what this is about

[@briannerk3373]

@@cole6122 I think it is in a round about way: doubling down on divide and conquer identity politics is what the democratic party and their news media connections decided to do when it became apparent bernie sanders was likely to win. Everyone drops out and then na tehsi coates condemns Sanders as not supporting "reparations". This toxic type of anti intellectual bully feminism is a part of that cynical identity politics tool our corporate masters push in order to get us to fight amongst ourselves. 90+% of the news media is owned by only 5 corporate conglomerates so they have a say in what is pushed and what isn't. If you only targeted actual sexists or racists with the brush, then you wouldn't get enough people hating one another... you need to break and rip apart whatever unity is there in order to divide.

[@Sexynes]

​@@cole6122Please clarify.

[@stevensuarez6564]

Two things, their egos and their genders.

[@marthajean50]

Why didn't you ASK the men why they're not interested in college? A whole piece on the fact that some are saying males aren't getting enough attention, and you, too, paid no attention to them.

[@j10001]

That interview with the one young man seated between the two young women - and they showed the women talking but the man was silent (until they let him speak in the final minute of this video). That’s what would happen in the 50s with the roles reversed! Back then, media and everyone else let the men opine about women’s experiences and needs. It’s just as wrong today when the genders are reversed! (EDIT: See my correction to this below.)

[@marthajean50]

​@@j10001 Good point - men aren't weak and helpless; I'm sure the ones who aren't going into college can tell us why. But in this piece, the academics spoke for them, as if men who don't go to college must lack a mind of their own. It may well be the exact opposite - college can actually be a ripoff! And men aren't "failing at life"; they're simply not going to college as much. Well, maybe these guys just don't think the product is worth the price! Nobody let us hear from them, however, so we're left with the musings of people who are probably still trying to pay off their own endless student debt and wishing they'd started that billion-dollar corporation from their parents' garage 10 years ago or become real estate brokers/contractors/pilots/car dealers/landscapers/sales reps instead.

[@redbaron07]

@@j10001 I don't think that would have happened in the 1950s, it wasn't the _Handmaid's Tale_ dystopia that academics try to make it out to be. Women may have been in the minority in some situations but were able to speak for themselves just fine. The barely-concealed contempt for men and boys in today's academic circles had no match back then; it's not patronizing sexism but born of sheer malice.

[@j10001]

@@redbaron07 Agreed, this contempt of men absolutely had no equal back then. Women were certainly not disparaged on major media segments-sometimes patronized perhaps, but definitely valued and respected. I meant only that I imagined a segment like this in the 1950s where they might turn to male professors to opine on the state of women in college, or ask young men on campus their opinions about having the young women join them. But you’re quite right that _any credible segment in that era would not have left the young women’s voices until the end._ Thanks for that correction. It’s a shame how far we’ve fallen as a society. Side note: I haven’t seen the _Handmaid’s Tale_ because I’m tired of “historical” shows (and those loosely based in a period) being stuffed with modern-day political themes to the point of being wholly unrealistic and cringeworthy. A preview alone is usually enough to be a turnoff.

[@redbaron07]

@@j10001 All good. Yes the rewriting of history is scary. Two examples (out of many) movies: 1. _The Aeronauts_ about 2 scientists risking their lives to make the first high-altitude measurements. The movie replaced one of the scientists with a woman character. It is shown and discussed in schools to "inspire girls in STEM" but is a total lie! 2. _Ammonite_ about pioneer fossil hunter Mary Anning, played by Kate Winslet as a lesbian, despite their being no historical basis for that. Do not question why or you're a homophobic bigot! Fortunately there are many classic movies to engage and inspire boys: _The Magnificent Seven_ (original), _A Bridge Too Far_ , _October Sky_ for example.

[@Dadsworld_]

I went on the college route, I quit, mostly because I could earn $100k or more in a trade and also have no school debt. Getting ahead quicker for a future family rather than wallow in enormous debt was more important to me.

[@robertduluth8994]

What trade

[@wl6020]

@@robertduluth8994 its probably very dangerous or hard labour, or very long hours, or a manager position where he is very sharp, tall, knows how to talk. 100k is alot for someone with a hs dipolma

[@nt3833]

It’s true. College ain’t all it’s cracked up to be anymore.

[@tw8464]

Exactly

[@12volttavern]

Like they said women were not "good enough" to go to school in the 60s, we have said the same to young boys and young men. Instead of giving one gender extra attention, we should give equal attention to boys and girls

[@user-pe587ui90]

That's very true!

[@BearingMySeoul]

Yes! Equal amounts, but different types.

[@endeavor1664]

It’s not equivalent though because women were denied from education simply for being female, they were considered “not good enough” because of misogyny with no bearing on their ability at all. Men have control of their own academics and work ethic, nothing is stopping them that isn’t stopping women as well.

[@BlunderCity]

Except no one ever said women were "not good enough", that feminist rewriting of history. The gender gap in higher education was about the same in the 60s as it is now for men. The reason why there were fewer women back then is because women had different aspirations. No one denied women anything, that's the kind of historical victimhood narrative that causes the discrimination men face today. Also, if women don't date men without degrees, there is no reason why there should be gender equality in the first place. The main reason why many men who oppose women's equality is because women aren't willing to address the issue of sexual inequalities. If women were willing to date men irrespective of their socioeconomic status, gender equality would be a moot point.

[@carnivorepolice5-0]

​@BlunderCity oooph they are allowed to have atandards they would like to date someone who is at least their intellectual equal. I cannot imagine why one of them would want to date down.

[@LoisAGrimm]

I'm so glad to see this topic being discussed by a major mainstream outlet. It's a real problem. And women ignoring or worse mocking these issues are no better than the men who did it to women 50 years go.

[@JustinBennett-c1x]

💯

[@DaveAlexKD]

Except men never mocked women, ever.

[@Bigman.I.S.]

@@DaveAlexKD wait till bro realizes that women couldnt vote for a while

[@nini_iiI]

EXACTLY

[@DaveAlexKD]

@@Bigman.I.S. Women couldn't because it was required to do military service and be a landowner. Some men weren't landowners so they couldn't vote. Life has always been way easier for women.

[@User40919]

We had only 2 boys on our school's top 10 academic performers in our grade. The amount of boys doing aport is dropping like flies. We had our grade 12 "prom" and out of the 15 people that were single this year 62.5% were boys and only 37.5% were girls ( we are ±80 grade 12 pupils). I found this really eye-opening even though our school never speaks about any of this instead they just tell the boys to perform better, which is a really lazy way of solving the apparent problem. I accumulated the data myself, because this was just too fascinating not to investigate.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Isn't it interesting that in a society that cares so much about healing and psychology and mental health etc that when it comes to men or boys the answer is just simply..."do better", "perform". The hypocrisy and BS meter of how so many people are "healed" is astounding. You are right, it is interesting. I'm just an observer watching and I've found it interesting.

[@codybeck2597]

Even though I agree with your point, this is bad statistics and doesn’t prove your case

[@monkofkrayak6235]

@@Dr.Beetlejuice110 That's because feminism isn't about gender equality, it's about female empowerment. As much as they want to see masculinity as toxic, their go to retort to men is to just "man up".

[@phoenixmorphix]

​@@monkofkrayak6235I think we've, as a society, overcompensated for equality rather than equity.

[@BizzeeB]

I blame the Fleshlight.

[@lunarthief6501]

Look at CEOs, the Presedent, congress etc. No one talks about electricians, plumbers, oil rig workers. And on the flip side teaching, nursing and therapy. True equality would be across the board not just at the top.

[@redbaron07]

It's called the "Apex Fallacy" and you see it used here by CBS to appease the audience. "No female presidents so we have to help the womens", while ignoring the widening education gap, and the workplace death gap, suicide gap, ...

[@HPirate2018]

Spot on with therapy. I am one of two males in my counseling program cohort. 18 people in my cohort, two are males….

[@redbaron07]

@@HPirate2018 Oh and good on YOU for wanting to help people. Your male perspective is valuable and sorely needed - you should end up with plenty of grateful clients! (Don't make the girls _too_ jealous though!)

[@HPirate2018]

@@redbaron07 Thank you for the kind words!

[@maximusthegreatest]

Does anyone talk about anyone though? I’m pretty sure everyone thinks they should be more noticed and appreciated but everyone is focused on their own things so why do we expect anything?

[@jschaibly]

As a man in education for the 20 years, I see slow, inevitable decline in male prosperity every year in my classroom. Honors/Ap classes are 2/3 female. Regular-on level 75% male. Some boys lack proper reading and arithmetic skills to thrive in our society. Nobody says anything. And I'm scared to point this out because I'll be accused of being sexist or whatever but the writing is on the wall. Just wait a good 10 more years before anything is done. I see the future every day and pray for intervention.

[@season.of.renewel]

The issue starts at home( this doesn't mean women should stay at home-before anyone starts). I grew up in a home where my parent worked 2 jobs but we still had flashcards, educational games and books before we even went to preschool. I remember being in school and having those things to learn with when I got home. The root issue is these boys are neglected at home and people don't notice issues till they are teenagers.

[@ladybug3380]

@@season.of.renewelI’ve always heard that boys are easier to raise which is why they get neglected. People say girls are harder to raise and that leads to parents expecting more from their daughters.

[@s.u.r.j3232]

What are you scared of exactly, losing your job? Or simply being shunned, cause you can't lose your job for pointing something out, especially something as obvious and critical as this.

[@deepforestfire]

"Nobody says anything" What do you want them say? Can men not take accountability for themselves? It's nobody's job to rescue boys and men. Why aren't the fathers at home teaching their sons?

[@cstuartdc]

@@deepforestfire Yet I imagine you don't accept the reverse corollary - that women and girls are on their own. They shouldn't have needed all this DEI. . .they should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. I applied for a Program Director at a an academic institution. Weeks later, without a rejection letter, I bumped into someone who knew me who sat on the interview committee and asked why. She told me, "THey didn't want to hire you because you were male. They wanted a female for the position." I was actually stunned she just said outloud what we were all thinking. This was despite her not even have a masters yet. Honestly, I was glad it worked out that way. . .i got another position with the fed gov't that allows me to travel and lecture a bit and pays much better. I'm actually okay with charitably giving lessor qualified females a chance. They need help. . .you know. . .with all their monthly hormones and stuff they have to battle. But you should be grateful for the handout you didn't earn, right?

[@immcguyver07]

It is so nice to see the problem of disparity being addressed, not just one side of it. I never thought I'd see this conversation on the news outside of maybe April Fool's Day.

[@Chicago48]

Immigrant men are different. The Asians, for example, men go to the college.

[@immcguyver07]

@Chicago48 , yes and often their culture is conducive to them being successful. They have community like women in America have. American men don't. They often have a survival as a group mentally, as American women do. American men usually have a survival as an individual mentality and 1000 barriers to participating in a group survival ecosystem (culture of puritanical, classst, and meritocratic mentality and distrust, American men are unwelcome in other circles of group survival, especially when women are involved.. ) ....

[@angellover02171]

People have been about this for years.

[@mf568]

We as women, especially ethnic women, have been speaking about disparity for years; it's now turned the wheel that is beneficial to women, and all of a sudden it's something which is news worthy. I see it as the meek inheriting as it states in the Good Book.

[@sunkintree]

@@mf568 Sis, you're not "meek" lmao. You're aggressive and loud.

[@seawarddigitalmediagroup3808]

I'm 54 and attending University right now due to work injuries leaving me incapable of doing the work I have training and experience for. Campus' today are very much anti-male. There are entire sections of education on women and gender issues, but not a single class on male issues in society. Males are more withdrawn because the slightest interaction with no negative meaning can get a male student placed on academic suspension, leaving them incapable of transferring to another school because of the type of complaint(Title IX). Meanwhile the schools are violating Title IX daily by discriminating against males. The school I'm at has 2 sororities, and 7 women's clubs. There are no fraternities, and only 1 male club, for minority males. I asked about starting a club for males, to teach younger males about society outside of school and skills they would need in the future. I was told it would have to be reviewed to determine whether it violated Title IX, and by it's non-inclusive nature, it most likely wouldn't be allowed. And no, males can't joining the sororities and half of the female clubs. Title IX was supposed to create equal opportunity and consideration in schools, not reverse the entire system.

[@hansmorgenstern5461]

I would encourage you to ask for a men's club and really allow it to be about men seeing and holding other men in challenge, feelings and growth. Men growing with other men honorably and not allow any hate to women or the system that may have left been by the wayside. Yes, include social issues, but go about it in an observational way, without judgement and criticism. And make it about men's growth to be with women and no women should be allowed. Therefore, men can check their brothers from a place of no other agenda but to be better men in the world. What is happening here is a need for growth for men to show up and be needed by women: to work hard and be compassionate and honor women as they grow into a society that is only now beginning to support women's contributions.

[@redbaron07]

If you have a skill that you can teach (without injury!) such as carpentry or metalwork, start a club about that and mostly men will come, then you can support them from within that context. In the UK there's a Men's Sheds charity based on this premise and it is achieving great results!

[@jwil7954]

Good on you! That said, the times we are living in reminds me of the the period within 17th century, in the thirteen colonies. In short, due to the shortage of European white women, the male European elite passed laws that would not allow certain men to access to European women. However, the laws did not prevent the elite from having access to women of their choosing.

[@jamesfrancese6091]

So what you’re describing is not how Title IX is being applied, but misapplied - in other words, the decision against your proposed organization would itself form the basis of a valid Title IX complaint, filed by you. I would try to not lose sight of that.

[@rwdswght4057]

Oh please do create a club for boys to teach them social skills! As a society, we are in sharp need of that!

[@DonaldBermudez-k6u]

It is kinda disgusting how the one girl said "is it even a problem" as if men are not people too.

[@SirAuron777]

It is disgusting

[@RicochetForce]

It's indicative of the problem in one line. When confronted with a statisitically blatantly unequal situation (62% of a school being female is well past what anyone would consider equality), when being told the scale of the problem, she has the confidence to shrug and brush it off like that. She acts like we have to wait until half of Congress or have a female president before we can even CONSIDER this an issue.

[@OO9O9]

​@@RicochetForceyeah, show were women in power are making laws that prevent males from attending college the way males denied women education. I will wait

[@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu]

I appricate her honesty. That is how most women view men's problems. 80% of homeless are men? Keep talking about how the 20% of homeless women are in more danger because they might get raped while sleeping on the street and use that as an excuse to give women bed's first before homeless men.

[@archie7218]

@@RicochetForceThis is what annoys me the most, as if positions of power and wealth are the only thing that’s important when they are literally a tiny proporttion of people. Normal people in education and work are what should matter more

[@relaxingnature6766]

I’m 28, so far outside my schooling days. I went to college for 2 years and then decided it was a waste of time and money. I now work a blue collar job and make more than almost all my old friends. (Except one, I believe) In high school, As a male, I never would have opened up to women, or any woman Counselor. I needed male leadership who cared. Thankfully I had that. Now, I have opened up to more men (from my church), than I ever have before. And my mental health has greatly improved. Boys need men. Strong men, women can’t fill that role

[@bebdaumon3948]

got 2 degrees one in Accounting and one in Finance. The places I applied are mostly women working in that department. I noticed I didn't get the job for 2 things. Me being male and also they wanted 5 years work experience for an entry position that pays $40k a year.

[@F343x2]

Why cite a debunked gender pay gap though? Weird, considering the topic

[@jjoohhhnn]

So feminists don't flame the comments

[@justicewilson7929]

Because they want to show women as perpetual victims, even though it's not a wage gap but an earnings gap.

[@jdstan9650]

The need for numbers in the trades, which are disproportionately male occupations is an ongoing problem in this country. The misinformation from educators and parents that college is for everyone is simply wrong. There are innumerable high paying opportunities in so called certified/educated "blue" collar jobs.

[@ilovegoodsax]

What was called "Industrial Arts" (auto shop, carpentry, welding, plumbing, etc.) when I was in high school back in the 70s is completely gone from the public school system today. That's where it starts and classes in the trades need to be brought back to public schools.

[@GungaLaGunga]

The trades are as abusive and unfair as any other employment. I'm not going back to work until I can afford it lol. Cuz this economy is systemically corrupt.

[@ilovegoodsax]

@@GungaLaGunga So you're on public assistance now?

[@chipperP]

Well put.

[@nghtwtchmn129]

Women are seriously underrepresented in construction, mining, and logging.

[@Tubbles]

Its hard to care when you are labeled the bad guy...

[@sekhmet747]

What does being labeled the "bad guy" have to do with your own personal strive for education or knowledge?

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

It's hard for society to care when males are generally only mentioned as a group WHEN being blamed for something.@@sekhmet747 When women are generalized, it's usually for some reason related to trying to help them. When men are generalized, it's about rape or violence or something. cue the comments about how men should rape less (rape is bad, i've never done it nor will i ever, but somebody will still most likely try to ignore any male problems because it exists) When men do something bad, it's all men. When we're talking about how to make men succeed, it's all individual level pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps something something stop being insecure111!!!1!!! I've seen comments like that literally hundreds of times, basically every time anything like male suicide rates or college rates are brought up.

[@muraismybby4617]

​@@superfamilyallosauridae6505I mean, they wouldn't be wrong, what do you think the women in society had to do before all of women succeeding nowadays, they didn't even have people giving af, I mean why should people care.

[@BlunderCity]

​@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Yep, it's similar to gamma bias.

[@mafp22w]

@@sekhmet747 what does knowledge or education have to do with college? College has become not much more than expensive indoctrination.

[@Mr_Smackle]

Im top of my class in medical school, I scored 90 percentile on the STEP licensing exams. I didn't care about grades and how I was doing in school until junior year of HS. I feel like young men are a lot like me, they CAN be academically successful they just don't care to due to motivation, societal/peer issues and other variables

[@Solomeo_Paredes159]

Physicians get jobs easily, nps have to demostrate at least 3 years of experience, that is unfair

[@Mr_Smackle]

@@Solomeo_Paredes159 go to med school then.

[@Solomeo_Paredes159]

@@Mr_Smackle i can't. My foreign medical degree has pre med courses older than 20 years, so i have to study all pre med courses from begining, by time of graduation i will be 65, age for retirement. So i did masters fnp, which is easy, but no job unless 3 years of experience. Studies are worthless.....

[@j10001]

@@Solomeo_Paredes159It’s a problem in the US. Many other countries would honor your medical training, no?

[@captainsavem]

well yeah, its to stop all those earning online NP degrees from just suddenly getting a 6 figure job. doctors have to suffer through years of 6-7 figure debt to even have a chance to get a good career while being behind everyone else. NPs should have experience just like there should never be anyone who earns their medical degree online only@@Solomeo_Paredes159

[@mililaniman]

My nephew is 19. I hope his transition to the adult world of work goes smoothly.

[@TomyPesantes]

Make sure to guide him, it wasn't easy for me when I left the house and I had great parents, but do teach him to have a better backup plan too cause I depended too much on plan A and when I needed a plan B I didn't think that far and failed hard.

[@angellover02171]

Men that have a strong group of men around them tend to do better than men that go it alone.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

All I can say is, good luck to him. 19 until the early 30s is probably the worst age to be a male in today's world, because you see others achieving "milestones" and you feel frustrated at yourself for not doing the same, even if you have your own achievements to celebrate. it gets slightly better afterwards, but only just.

[@DanielL-j1h]

@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia no. Being male in 2024 is a punishment worse than death

[@Seth-MAD-man]

​@@DanielL-j1h no cap

[@WarningStrangerDanger]

Baby Boomers and Gen X really didn't do right by their sons. You can support girls without abandoning boys.

[@mindelo23]

That's exactly how we got here. Decades of putting down boys to uplift girls and now they're wondering where the boys are.

[@the_expidition427]

Saving this

[@Theworldiscomplex]

Yeah you can I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be able to

[@BlunderCity]

​@@Theworldiscomplex Because it doesn't fit the plans feminists have for the world.

[@OO9O9]

Not repressing the girls is abandoning the boys? 😂

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

Societies are way less stable when young men are not gainfully employed and otherwise productive and fulfilled. This is an incredibly important problem for everyone.

[@rorytribbet6424]

@@moresalad221this is like asking why violence is bad. This is instinctual human knowledge that you know is true but are being stubborn about. Men, especially young men, are meant to work, more importantly they are meant to compete… with men, for resources, opportunities, and status. If you want actual sources, google human evolution and explore the articles and you will learn about the generally most accepted theory’s that aim to explain why men vs women are the ways that we are, and how it got us to where we are now as a species. All of which point to this fact.

[@stevechance150]

College educated women do not marry non- college educated men. This is going to leave a lot of men single.

[@brad9092]

Good answer, Sherlock.

[@angelinimartini]

I work in a male dominated field… I’ve literally only seen 2 women in my field working out where I do. Only one of those doing what I do. Men have options outside of college. And can have way less debt. Out here, they are gainfully employed and paid handsomely. A lot of men see that the options outside of college can pay well. Why go to college? They would typically take a man over me, almost any day. Maybe they are just shifting their priorities. How many men end up hating sitting at a desk or their jobs in general because they don’t see the value in their work? So many. Kind of like if you watch the movie Office Space. I feel like a lot more men than women feel that way and end up wanting to work with their hands and see the work come alive before their eyes.

[@schalitz1]

​@@moresalad221Last time a checked a horde of protesting women is just annoying, meanwhile look at every revolution in history, outside the American, and look who caused it. Angry young men is the correct answer, and its angry young men who topple governments.

[@yugiohonline26]

Give it 3 years and we will begin to see discussion of a gender "debt" gap as women are more underemployed and major in studies that don't pay as much.

[@yugiohonline26]

@@P.90.603 Are you agreeing with me or...?

[@FergBent2.4]

Lol!!

[@billyjoejimbob6958]

Less men are getting buried in debt for useless degrees. What's the problem?

[@howwitty]

Degrees are earned by students who plan to participate in a global economy, in which wages are not uniform across nations. For men to lead at a local level, they earn degrees to be competent at a global scale. If you think success is a student earning a degree, you are missing the point. The university awards many more degrees to all students in a community than to just one student. Since more students are borrowing, that represents a significant amount of useless debt. The debt is useless, not the degree to which a student succeeds.

[@dustywaxhead]

Not all degrees are created equal. Some are worth​ it, others not so much @@howwitty

[@D_402S]

​@@howwittyOnly STEM, business administration, economics and law degress are worth it. The rest, not so much.

[@howwitty]

@@D_402S Posessing a degree ib business is like saying you're not good at anything except almost breaking the law. At least double major in something useful, like economics. These people with business degrees turn into telemarketers, scammers, medical billing professionals, etc. with ease for less.

[@jonathonengel5027]

Nah, they go to trade schools and make more money.

[@automaticshelter130]

How are we supposed to feel like accomplished men when we can’t even afford to put a roof over our family’s head? This country is going downhill fast.

[@andrewiglinski148]

Are you accomplished? Do you have an advanced degree? Do you have a skill that other *_educated_* people would be impressed by? You don’t feel accomplished because you’re not accomplished.

[@j10001]

@@andrewiglinski148 OK, that’s just rude. You can do better than that. I’m confident my education and degrees beat yours (since one can’t get a higher degree, nor is there a more prestigious univeristy), but _I don’t go around insulting people who say they’re struggling._ Btw my view is that @automaticshelter130 is correct. We should honor the instinct many men have to provide and care for their family-to be useful and valued because of what they produce and the support they give. That instinct (in men or women) is something of highest value in a society. Many men who are trying the very best they can are frustrated that they can’t secure even a modest “homestead” for their loved ones.

[@j10001]

Well said!

[@RicochetForce]

@@j10001 Yeah, leaning into that instinct is key. Frustrating that instict is what will need to a massively negative response to the society doing so.

[@the_expidition427]

Feelings and reality are different. Education doesnt equate intelligence or in all fields pay

[@jolness1]

I’m glad this is being talked about. Yes we should be happy that women have made gains and we should absolutely work to continue those but.. it seems a lot of the radicalization and anger of men comes back to them feeling like failures. It shouldn’t be zero sum, we should be able to figure out what boys need to help the, succeed and facilitate more women in politics, boardrooms etc. As the parent of a young boy.. I worry a lot about this. And even from the standpoint of parents of girls or women, shouldn’t we want there to be men who are their equal? Rather than having a ton of men who are struggling.. idk. It’s not an easy thing to discuss and it’ll be even harder to make progress on but it seems damn important to me.

[@afroabroad]

Its being talked about but no cares. Even when people said something 10 years ago the answer was to tell boys to man up. The fact is society doesn't care.

[@lisah8438]

That is not my problem. If a woman being more successful than a man makes the man angry. That is his problem. Not mine. Maybe he should better himself.

[@Bruno-jn2mx]

Youre correct. But unfortunetly, the same effort that was put to help women, will not be made for men. The whole equality, equity thing was false.

[@indigoplateau357]

@@lisah8438 That's why we should make sure XX don't get the right to vote. To make them angry. Good logic sis.

[@sunkintree]

@@lisah8438 If a woman getting graped makes them angry, I say good. Not my problem. Maybe you should better yourself

[@patrickgallagher9069]

I can't defend higher offices. But, at 48 years old, being male isn't trendy and I'm passed up by women in my profession often. It isn't trendy to suggest I'm being discriminated against and I have a family to feed. So I have to keep quiet if my wife and kids wish to eat. And what do I do about my boys when they grow up? I have no idea. But for now, being silent means I can keep paychecks coming.

[@steve19811]

Practice positive affirmations. They really work.....

[@bonnieflynn4798]

Some Boys have gotten a message that it’s not cool to study and excel in high school. I was a tiger mom before it was a thing. Grades and studying matter. We ( husband and I) tutored our son in math and science. We found history and language summer programs. Also music lessons It worked. . He has a masters degree and is very successful , married and my granddaughter is now a rising scholar. Boys need Dads to show and say studying is cool. We played dictionary at the dinner table. Where our son would find hard words in the dictionary and if we didn’t know the meaning he got a point and read the definition out loud and then we all made up silly sentences using the word. At the end of the month those points became money for him to buy a game or toy. We made all the mistakes everyone else does in parenting, but I think we got the academics right.

[@IsaacCoffin]

Taht is actually such a good take of parenting

[@bonanderson9398]

Suicide rates alone shocked me. Fights for equality should include respect for men, too. It's become toxic in America to root for biological men as if it takes away from women's success to do so.

[@machupikachu1085]

Yup. Zero sum game. The problem is that women only want the top 20% of the men, so the men who unalive themselves won't ever be missed, as they were probably invisible to begin with.

[@BlunderCity]

Not just in America.

[@mindelo23]

Men are no longer going to college for a few reasons: -Student loans. -College degree no longer guarantees you a job. -Trades are a better choice. -Hostile environment. Instead of wasting 4 years and taking on thousands and thousands in loans men are opting out and choosing trades instead. Young men saw how student loans wrecked havoc on millennials and have decided to avoid college all together and take another paths.

[@sammygoodnight]

Don't forget that the average college campus today, at least in the US, has a toxically anti-male atmosphere.

[@fatperson1152]

these points can apply to women too, it's not exclusive to men

[@maxwellsimon4538]

@@fatperson1152out of the 40-50 trades workers i’ve seen in my short career, only 3 have been women. Women do not want to do trades jobs even though they are perfectly capable

[@stevenhenry5267]

Nah. Too many men are incels.

[@Rust_Rust_Rust]

​@@maxwellsimon4538Most physically can't.

[@TomyPesantes]

Yeah I think part of the problem is as guys we're kinda given this image of being a good man is being handy and knowledgeable about many things, then as that evolved I feel many guys that didn't have a male role model in their life whether a dad or close nale family member truly struggled. I definitely feel that I failed at college because I wanted to be smart but when I wasn't smart anymore after highschool I just freaked out and tried to be more handy and do things with more physical oriented stuff, but I'm no good at that either to make a living out it. So I'm back to square one going back to college to get a useless degree since I wasn't cut out for a higher caliber degree, the issue at thr end is self esteem, no matter what if we as men can't find our footing and have less male role models to look up to, we're gonna stumble hard.

[@BedStuy4life]

Question my brother, what are you going to college for?

[@TomyPesantes]

@@BedStuy4life Was going for engineering but decided probably best for political science, at this point I kinda just need a degree to get any job and easy enough to get with the credits I have taken.

[@massmori]

You got this!!!

[@tmbrad1288]

Because men are starting to realize there’s more money in a skill trade without student debt.

[@ranelgallardo7031]

Even women are about to take over in that path.

[@semipenguin]

This sounds like a “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” kind of things. As a 53yo male truck driver, I learned as a young boy, you have to go out and do for yourself, and don’t expect anything to be given to you. As a Hispanic, I was told you have to work twice as hard and make half as much as white men. After spending ten years in the military, I began a career in trucking. A job where most companies don’t care if your a man or a woman. Gay, or straight. Cisgender, or trans. We all get paid the same.

[@elainegoad9777]

I learned as the only woman working in the "shop" (printing company) that I had to work harder and do better quality work just to be accepted as a good employee in an all male shop. It was very hard and very lonely.

[@GungaLaGunga]

"Truckers all get paid the same" Not enough IMO. Dangerous job. Thank you truckers for bringing us all our stuff and food. Without you, civilization ends.

[@TT09B5]

@@elainegoad9777 Plenty of male nurses go through the same thing but I know its ok right? since their male.

[@automaticshelter130]

This bootstrap mentality is destroying the United States of America. We cannot have community without rules, respect, and conscientiousness. If you don’t want to take care of Americans, then why be a part of this great country anyways?

[@deathlight4210]

@@TT09B5She never said that 😑

[@rillest75]

As an incoming freshman male, gotta love those odds

[@TC-cd5sm]

If things don't change soon, it'll be a 3 to 1 ratio. May the odds be ever in your favor

[@ashwinv3951]

LMAO

[@automaticshelter130]

Word to the wise: be careful around those girls. False accusations are a dime a dozen nowadays.

[@02nupe]

that part!! and long term its more options for men if they happened to succeed. May the prenups keep them from losing what they earned. I say the same for Ladies too... lots of layers here.

[@machupikachu1085]

"As an incoming freshman male, gotta love those odds" The odds of getting #metoo'd? Yup. Just went up 300%. Good luck with that.

[@44DHernandez]

One of the big problems is income inequality. If unions were stronger, young men could enter the trades and make a decent income.

[@mrsevergreentree]

Feminist have won their dream😂

[@skoop651]

nah, leftism has already gone far enough

[@Grawlix-P]

I don't think it's one singular issue, but there might be something in that.. home unity is a big, uncomfortable issue

[@Nethezbet]

Um, there is no barrier to that now. At all. It has nothing to do with unions.

[@boristheamerican2938]

@ryanjohnson5520 But you vote republican so the unions will be a thing of the past soon. Talk about slashing ones wrists! Ouch

[@MIA25NYC14]

This starts with having honest conversations about the pros and cons of attending college and the benefits of graduating from college as well.

[@CornyBum]

That was on my mind too, but the apparently declining participation in the labor force by men is something unexpected and curious. Then again, that statistic might be a reflection of other economic factors, and it wasn't displayed in comparison to women's participation.

[@daphnedevi]

I read an article once that the majority of women married to men felt that they had one more dependent to take care of. When I cite this to my friends married to men they die laughing in total agreement. It’s funny, except it isn’t. Girls are raised to take care of things (relationships, laundry, etc); they become self sufficient. Boys often have their mothers (and often sisters) do everything for them… cook, clean, etc. All they had to figure out was a job, and a blue color job used to provide well for a family. A young man could at least lean into that for security and purpose. Now, women don’t need men anymore unless they want them. (They can own land, have mortgages, and find employment readily… this and more wasn’t readily true just a few decades ago.) I get that while women are expanding their sense of possibility, men may be questioning where they fit. But ultimately I think we actually raise girls to know they can do anything, and cultivate them more holistically (again, self care, relationships, work outside of work). I would be interested to see how the numbers track across cultures/nations. Last note… I work at a family medicine residency clinic… out of 12 residents every year there are always only a couple of men. One year none. Granted many men prefer higher paying more prestigious less relationship based medical roles, but that disparity is still astounding.

[@XD-nc7be]

Why should men take occupations that pay less? The outcome of this is that men will end up taking the majority of private sector jobs. Women will make less money with degrees and inch out minority men for positions that are largely granted based on personality, looks, and protected status.

[@daphnedevi]

@@XD-nc7be there is nothing in my comment that suggested men should or shouldn’t do anything professionally.

[@RaymondHng]

About 80% of single-parent households in the U.S. are headed by single mothers.

[@TomyPesantes]

I agree, I mean when we lived in more agrarian society the men provided land and work, while the women provided work and childcare leading to equal work at the end of the day but in different ways. Living in modern society today doesn't require that same level of work to be distributed, but as you mentioned men were being taken care of by women so as a result men actually ended up doing less work. Women eventually gaining their rights didn't need men anymore and because we didn't have a purpose felt more lost at the end, but that might change as we give men more leeway to explore the more "feminine" jobs and learn more personal responsibility to fit in this new world.

[@daphnedevi]

@@TomyPesantesi read a UN statistic from 1981… globally, women are 51% of the population and do 80% of the work while earning 10% of the income and owning 1/100 of the land. I have no idea where it stands now. But my own mother worked full time while going to grad school, raising 2 girls, while doing all the parenting, and cooking, and housework (that we daughters weren’t doing). My stepdad went to work… that’s it… not even the lawn, I did that… what a gig for him! 😆 Women have always had to juggle a ton, and since being able to join the workforce and having broken more and more glass ceilings, the sky is the limit. But we must figure out what this achilles heel is for boys; I think it’s a lot how we cultivate them… to your point, I hope they feel welcomed to step into a more diversified sense of self worth and potential. We all need men to feel worthy, capable, and with a sense of fulfillment.

[@carrdoug99]

I applaud this man's efforts, especially the idea that we must extend a hand to any member of our society. We, as a species or as a society, have shown a real problem lifting one group up without marginalizing another. However, I'm also a stickler for an accurate depiction of reality. So here's the rest of the story. "Men's participation in the workplace drops by 7.5% since 1969." I'm frankly surprised it has only dropped that much. The late 60s and early 70s was the height of the middle class in the US. Women couldn't hardly buy a career at this time. In addition, there was no family financial need for both parents to work. The other glaring detail of this statistic is that the male participation rate dropped from 96% to a still overwhelming majority of 89%. "Men account for 79.6% of suicide deaths in 2021." While tragic, there was no mention of the fact that women report having suicidal thoughts at 2-3 times the rate of men, and women attempted suicide at 3 times the rate of men (per CDC 2020). "Binge drinking - men 21%, women 13%." Another 2020 study showed male drinking fell by 0.2%, and binge drinking increased by a small 0.5%. While women's binge drinking increased by 14%. Drinking in general by young people has fallen over the last ten years. "Women have a 15% advantage in undergraduate degrees awarded." The details matter here as well. From Statista.com 2020-2021. By a significant margin, the largest awarded group of bachelor degrees, according to gender was in the health profession (nurses, etcetera) at 227,272. Women received these degrees at 5.6x the rate of men. To no one's surprise, education is another area where women dominate. With women having the edge over men at 4.8x. These are both good career paths, but for men to achieve the same financial reward, a great many of them choose to become skilled tradesmen requiring no college degree. In the current environment, a man would have to be certifiably insane to choose teaching. Other areas where women dominate are not what I would call financially lucrative. Social services 5x the rate of men. Family Science 7.5x, English major 2.6x, foreign language and literature 2.4x, Ethnic, Culture & Gender studies 2.9x. The number one area for men was in business 208,541, slightly ahead of women (this was women's 2nd most awarded). Men out paced women in engineering by 3x, and the engineering related field by 6x. They edged out women in most of the stem degrees. The pay gap starts coming into focus. Among the prestigious professions like doctors and lawyers, women make up a small majority of doctors, while men make up a similarly small majority of lawyers.

[@gemmeldrakes2758]

It always helps to get more details and move beyond the soundbites. This issue is so much more nuanced than that.

[@TT09B5]

Having suicidal thoughts and actually committing them are way two different things. For one these women could be lying.

[@carrdoug99]

@TT09B5 thoughts yes, but attempts are attempts. At three times the suicide attempt rate compared to boys, that's a lot of girls faking.

[@angellover02171]

​@@TT09B5wimen be lying. Lol

[@kerinwills]

@@TT09B5 I think it's far more likely that some men won't admit they have those thoughts. And you for some reason failed to mention the 3x more attempts made by women. Personally, I find it infuriating that people are only concerned about the emotional well being of men and boys now that women have made a some progress toward equality, and that it's being framed as a consequence of women's equality. There's no 'either or' here, and that sensationalism is why I don't watch tv news. But I'm also glad it's being discussed, because it's long overdue.

[@lyncourt1]

I definitely believe there's a need for better and more support of the trades in this country; welders, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, etc. Not everyone needs to get a college education and degree to feel needed, useful, accomplished and successful.

[@LoisAGrimm]

Yes but that applies to women too. Men needn't be pushed out of halls of higher education just like women shouldn't be. Access to education in all sorts of careers should be equal across the board. And the education children receive should accurately reflect the needs of all sorts of children.

[@Halo47143]

I joined the army to pay my degree, had a blast and will go back as an officer once I graduate cause I wouldn’t wanna be at a desk

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

This. Everybody discussing those statistics is ignoring the fact that the value of college degrees (by that I mean on the job market) is diminishing every year. And you need to take a lot of debt to do just one degree. What this means is that either women are graduating with lots of debt or, if lucky, having parents/significant others willing to fund their higher education.

[@Ethan-zt7ky]

Unfortunately, women want a 6'2" six-figure-earning man as a spouse. At the very least, economic conditions have made it impossible to even support a single other person with a trade job. So men flooded the tech/business industry. Unfortunately, the feminist movement is still strong, so women are also incentivized to flood those industries. Only women are hired for DiVeRsItY and further push out men from an already competitive job market. Men have nowhere to go.

[@anh1192]

I agree. From what I’ve seen Gen Zs don’t like or want to work blue collared jobs. They want the posh “tech” jobs.

[@clearviewtechnical]

College is not the only path to success. Many men go into a trade. Carpentry, plumbing, electrical etc. A machinist can easily make 150K a year and very few college undergrads can start at that wage.

[@amandafuriasse4683]

most electricians have a college degree, moreover to excel in the trades and be a contractor you need a college degree. I say this with my family members in the trades, they all have college degrees

[@bauttiet.h.u.g.5900]

The rates of men going into the trades have decreased dramatically since the same time period time as the decrease in men getting a degree.

[@clearviewtechnical]

@@amandafuriasse4683 Not true. Our local electrical union here #369 has hundreds of member and I know many of them. And they went in to a trade because NO college degree is required. Many only had GED's.

[@amandafuriasse4683]

Its extremely competitive to get into an apprenticeship program, most at least have a 2 years associates to successfully secure an apprenticeship and pass their licensing exams@@clearviewtechnical

[@kwyatt261]

​@@amandafuriasse4683 Not even close to the truth, at least where I live. Apprenticeship is pretty much how anyone becomes a tradesman here, no college degree required.

[@crito4123]

In my opinion, men remain teenagers for too long due to the lack of demands from the outside world. Previous generation were expected to provide for the family, fight wars, become active participants in their community. Now we can find 25 years old guys still playing video games, which decades ago were consider boy games.

[@smeekle2000]

It's not young men's fault. The economy sucks, the cost of living is insane, and now men and women have to compete for jobs. The US economy is finished.

[@Realmeninvest]

Well what do you expect when housing is $500,000? $300,000? And Wages don’t pay well.

[@garyfrancis6193]

And only now you hear the idea of student loan forgiveness. Men were never let off the hook for that and it isn’t even extinguished in bankruptcy. Now that can be waived like height requirements for the police force or fitness requirements for the army.

[@sammygoodnight]

I am male, have two bachelor's and a master's and for me the biggest regret of my life is the decision to attend college. Young men, avoid college, it's a debt trap with virtually no upside. Go to tech school and learn a trade instead. You can always get a library card and read up on what the rest of your generation went into life-long debt to learn.

[@kile1058]

I have a bachelors degree and a 6 figure career right after graduation with a total of $13k debt for the entire 4 years. Coming from a $0 EFC. College was the best decision i’ve ever made. A library card is not going to show employers you are credible. Trade schools are a great choice for some people! But we can’t have a society of only plumbers. We need other qualified professionals that need more training too. Plus some people just aren’t interested or have other goals. To college is a worthless debt trap because of your personal situation is silly. College has incredible upside depending on your goals and how you utilize your resources. But it’s not going to be handed to you

[@Halo4beatsB02]

​@@kile1058most degrees are useless and 4 years is to long to finish them

[@sammygoodnight]

@@kile1058 Good for you. I stand by my original comment, with the caveat that if you study engineering or medicine then a university degree might be worth it for some people.

[@hannahclark4593]

@@snowwilliams1Why didn’t you attend if you don’t mind me asking ?

[@atticusmcfly]

Talk about a complete misfire. You didn't even touch on why men are in such despair.

[@CartoonMitchell]

Was "Fathers" mentioned, even once??

[@yvonneplant9434]

Lll

[@FairBeautyEssentials]

Right… I’m left being so confused as to the “why”

[@interestingtimes6242]

@@FairBeautyEssentials Fatherlessness, lack of male teachers in school, lack of good male role models, the removal of PE and breaks from school, a shaming of men for their biology instead of programs instilling discipline and character. Young mens lives today consist of failure heaped on failure leading to despair and hopelessness. Healthy masculinity is a learned behavior. Where are they supposed to learn it from?

[@EL-mc3cs]

God, I know. They take a real problem then just blame it on women or say 'nobody knows'

[@chilipepper9938]

Funny thing is the majority of degrees that woman are getting is not in stem fields. Also woman get 100 times to 1 scholarship that men get, and are actively promoted to get degrees. Woman own 2/3 rds of college loan debt

[@SpinachLeaf]

My computer science class in highschool was always offering and trying to get the girls in and offering college scholarships to women exclusively. The guys were basically ignored. I can only assume its gotten worse since then. Honestly what do you expect when to ignore one group over the other.

[@saltycrunch]

And yet men dominate all STEM careers especially programming. Huh.

[@olamitunde]

They get it but choose to ignore the facts.

[@emilyau8023]

You lost the point. Men don't need encouragement for STEM majors cause they were not socially excluded and shamed for it for years. Now that gets a little more complex when you consider men of color, but the majority of men have always been encouraged in STEM.

[@SpinachLeaf]

@@emilyau8023 encourage all you want there's no problem with that. The reality is resources and opportunities are being kept from boys and made exclusive for girls. Meaning underprivileged boys see no point in trying if society ignores them. You're delusional if you don't think they really will take something that was made for everyone and make it exclusive to seem progressive and for good publicity.

[@slydog7131]

@@emilyau8023 No, you are wrong. I was in college in STEM 50 years ago. There were plenty of women. None were shamed or discouraged, indeed, they were a welcome addition. But overall, women tend to drift into other fields. STEM happens to be an area where men migrate. With 60+% of college students being women, there are many fields where women completely dominate, but there are no programs or scholarships for men to go into those fields, only special programs to get more women into the only fields where men tend to cluster.

[@jannetteberends8730]

The same is happening in The Netherlands for years now. Women outnumber men in college and universities. But men are not lost, they have an education that is more focused on a the profession. Like becoming cop, or farmer, or electrician. These education takes 3 years. And after finishing they still can go to college.

[@montyi8]

What a scam, men doing all the blue collar jobs and women taking the office jobs.

[@sneezyfido]

The ones that are not physically heavy are already half or more female. Also, we need more women working sewers and roads. Quit hogging only the rewards without pitching in on the risk.

[@andtrrrot]

Wrong question. It's not about how to be a successful man or woman. It's about how to be a successful person according to one's own values.

[@AlbertQian]

Not the wrong question at all. If women have been given so much more in recent years and the balance no longer exists, then it ought to be explored. The video itself said that suicides are 80% men. That tells you plenty that this is the right question.

[@planewire2153]

I think a more valuable statistic would be what percentage of those degrees are in high paying fields like stem, just because someone goes to college for 4 years doesnt necessarily mean they are going to automatically obtain a high salary, and we should probably stop emphasizing the need for 100k dollar gender studies degrees

[@the_expidition427]

Saving this

[@BlunderCity]

Why is it a more valuable statistics?

[@planewire2153]

@@BlunderCity college historically correlates with greater wage potential, but if it doesn’t equate to greater earnings, then we shouldn’t use it as a metric of financial success

[@BlunderCity]

@@planewire2153 It's not college that correlates with greater earnings, it's scarcity in labour supply. Plumbers earn a lot because it's an unglamourous job and few people wanna do it. Roofers earn a lot because it's dangerous a even fewer people dare doing it. People with degrees used to be in short supply. In 1920, 3% of Americans had a degree. In 1960, it was 7.7% and in 1980, it was 17%. Todays 38% have a degree. But I think what you're getting at is whether greater college attendance by women translate into greater earnings (people really only care if outcomes are good for women). The men who go to college benefit more that the women because men target high earning careers while women refuse to be the change they say they desire. Also, women seem to value the diploma, ie piece of paper and by extension the credential more than the skills.

[@alyssagriffin5781]

We need technical skills back into school. Working with their hands in carpentry, plumbing, manufacturing, and electrical work in Highschool. THEN they would be inspired to go to college.

[@season.of.renewel]

Those programs are already in most high schools. I know some of the top companies even sponsor high school programs where I live. Most young guys ain't interested unless it involves video games. They even have coding programs in school now but mostly young women enroll and not men. I started out at a trade school and majority of students were female.

[@jordannewsom3606]

​@@season.of.renewel Complete opposite in my experience

[@deathlight4210]

@@jordannewsom3606same

[@josefmanga]

Undergraduate degrees today don't mean as much as it did in the old day. In the past a degree was a guarantee to success, nowadays it a burden one has to have just to get by.

[@season.of.renewel]

It means nothing to be that don't utilize them. Nothing is a guarantee and it's a person individual choice what degree they choose. People who think the degree is enough when you have to able to network and have social skills. People are obsessed with job titles instead of taking jobs that relate to your field to gain experience. I don't understand why people today think you just suppose to walk into a perfect job with a perfect salary.

[@Regina.Clarke]

Tradesmen should be included in these figures. Many do better than those with bachelor’s degrees. Even though I was an electrician in the Army, I didn’t want to do it as a civilian. Electricians do well especially if they decide to run their own business. We need the numbers to show more. Shout out to the tradesmen out there!!!

[@texasgermancowgirl]

Exactly. My brother would be a statistic according to these people but he went to trade school

[@Antigone10]

Yep, women are graduating with debt and masters degrees that set them up for jobs paying $40k or less a year. Women, like social workers, are being taken advantage of while men are able to do labor jobs women do not want that can easily have them making six figures at some point during the man's career.

[@lilium_lancifolium]

Yeah. We can easily attribute this disparity to preferences in career, as men are more likely to want practical careers than women. Going to college and paying tens of thousands to get a degree you use anyway isn't necessarily better than paying way less to get payed way more.

[@weird-guy]

I agree less men going to college isn’t necessarily a issue ,that’s been happening in my country since 1986, the problem is that even college degrees nowadays often gets you a little above minimum wage payment and short term contracts, unless you go to stem you might get f even after college even with a shortage of healthcare and education workers it is still a problem with low salaries with “high” work load, the most widely available jobs is in the services industry (cafes,restaurants,hotels), the only jobs seeing a rise in payment is construction and trades because of a housing crisis theres a lot of new development and not enough trade workers

[@hirisquvidson7625]

The trades pay more if you work 80hrs a week, take the base accepted pay in the Industry for 5 years and get a certification or two. Meanwhile those women have upward mobility in their careers make just as much per hour plus progressive inflation adjusted regular pay increases. and work in air-conditioned high rise office buildings or...at home....didn't ruin their backs, lose their hearing and never have to worry about being cussed out in 105° heat or a fist fight with ex convict methed out Co-workers.

[@j10001]

Thank you for addressing this! It’s an extremely serious problem that could cause a significant crash of society, since families cannot form and thrive without functioning men and women. Both need to be healthy and productive.

[@salpertia]

oh no.. that sounds TerRiBle

[@carnivorepolice5-0]

You don't need men to have a family.

[@j10001]

I’m talking basic biology here; it takes men and women to reproduce, and they just won’t get together and form stable families if one sex is not functioning as members of society. (If you can point me to biology research in reputable journals showing _successful_ human cloning, or reproduction using only one sex, I’ll modify my statement.) Meanwhile, you ought to care less about how something _sounds_ than if it is _true._ Moreover, my statement says we need _both_ healthy men and women. That’s a worthy goal I’d hope everyone could support.

[@carnivorepolice5-0]

@@j10001 basic biology interesting you need one man in relative health and he can fertilize thousands of women. Selective breeding can be a thing. Stem cells have been able to be forced into becoming sperm but it's currently outlawed.

[@Iasi-ue5ew]

@@carnivorepolice5-0The basic unit of society is the family unit. Without that, there is nothing to work towards for people other than being mindless drones. Also it is what gives a sense of happiness and fulfillment, humans were not meant to be separated completely socially and physically, and there is a good reason why it is banned. It would completely destroy society.

[@yvonnecamperriovista225]

I believe it starts very early on, with so much emphasis on sports. Teachers need to reach out to boys when they’re young, not look at them as immature mommy boys.

[@thinkingcitizen]

that's the problem, most teachers in K-12 are women and they passively hold stereotypes about boys being unfocused, hyper, naughty and thick-skinned. Hence, you'll have teachers criticize, publicly call out and punish boys at much higher rates than girls. I remember once picking up my 8 yr old niece and her friend from school and I heard them gossiping about the boys in class, labeling them as troublemakers. When I asked them whose the trouble maker in class, they told me that the teacher often says "all the boys" are trouble makers. I just don't buy that, that's just the teacher being careless with words.

[@RicochetForce]

Fun Fact: Most teachers are actually sexist against boys without realizing it. In studies they found that the women consistently treated boys wore than girls, with harsher punishments, less praise, and more instances of outright ignoring the child's requests for help. When presented with male students' names they'd generally rate them worse than girls despite no grades or work being presented.

[@marygaia8132]

They never mentioned that boys are more likely to have learning disabilities, such as ADD and Dyslexia, and more likely to remain undiagnosed throughout their lives. This may account for the lag in their grades and feelings of worthlessness. Women should encourage and support men in the same way we expect them to do for us. Not just "talking it out" but real concrete help, like tutoring your men friends when they need help on campus, and not criticizing harshly but rather using constructive alternatives. We don't like being talked down to and neither do they. And don't blame all men for the bad ones you knew. There are bad men, sure, but there are bad women as well. We are all humans and deserve respect and consideration.

[@Dearthvader2]

Derp

[@bizeth74]

I was coming to say the same thing. They also have higher rates of autism. My son is "twice exceptional" - gifted and also autistic / high anxiety / adhd. I had to beg his school to test for giftedness and when they did, they gathered a 98th percentile iq and still refused to put him in GT classes. Conversely, where he's challenged, they refused to provide support because he's too smart. Educators completely failed to recognize all the signs of his neurodiversity and treated his issues like a behavior problem. (This happens everywhere, with 2e kids both male and female.) He wasn't fully diagnosed until age 10. I've now pulled him to homeschool because even with diagnoses, his schools were clueless on how to work with him. The educational system shames children for not fitting a very particular mold, and is largely ill-equipped to provide the support kids need when they are truly challenged. It's not the kids who have the problems, it's our system. They also just generally place enormous stress on kids from a very early age, always saying "they're going to have a job someday..." when they're literally 5 or 6 years old. Many kids have severe anxiety in their very early school years... Girls "mask" and make themselves fit into the mold better than boys do, in general. Both genders are stressed, in different ways ... This overall topic deserves an extensive series much moreso than a 5ish minute segment because there's a ton to unearth here.

[@ceooflonelinessinc.267]

I have one. My IQ is 83. I am slow learner.

[@marygaia8132]

@@ceooflonelinessinc.267 Maybe you just haven't been taught in a manner that uses your abilities constructively. Everyone has talents and capabilites, you just have to find yours!

[@marygaia8132]

@@bizeth74 The educational system is geared for test scores and quantitative data in order to gain federal funding, quite frankly, and not toward the best interest of the child. Kids like your son, who is bright and creative but don't fit the "mold" are left out. Thank God he has a Mom who sees that and advocates for him. Homeschooling or a school that use alternative, individualized approaches to education, like a Montessori School are best for your son and kids like him. Putting pressure on children to perform at a certain level and putting unreasonable demands on them is a recipe for disaster. Of course, we want to teach our kids to work hard and to strive a bit, but unreasonable expectations on them serves no useful purpose.

[@lisaelaine7362]

I have a 19 yr old son who struggled with some aspects of school and what I noticed with public school from K to 12, is that the curriculum appears to be more suited for todays female learning styles. I do think it is easier to teach to females for a number of reasons. Girls tend to be more agreeable, in general to busy work, and information presented with language only ( in writing or auditory instruction, or written expression tasks ). Boys tend to need more practical application and need teachers actively finding lessons that engage their interests to keep their attention. I remember my son's kindergarten- the class was large. Most girls sat still and attended to the teacher when asked, the boys were rolling around, fiddling with toys, hands on their neighbor, wrestling, kicking their feet, chewing on their shirts. The girls were frequently commended for good student behavior and many boys were chided, frequently needing redirection. The other change that I noticed in my life time is general diminshment of fear of authority. Kids once had pretty severe consequences for not behaving at school and at home, in many families. I am not advocating for terrorizing children, but I do think that changes in society, changing economic stressors, how we socialize our selves and our kids, how we engage in our communities and families, the digital age and the training of children to attend to shorter and shorter and topics of only high interest ( though social media and platforms like you tube), all have an impact. Things have changed really fast in the past 30-50 years and society is struggling to keep up. Some thing that always blows my mind is looking at my Grandpa's first picture (1907) He was held by his mom, Dad beside him, sitting in their sleigh on their way to church, in the New England Winter. Their SLEIGH. That family would have struggled to recognize what the world would become in 116 yrs.

[@rohj4825]

​@@GlennRA3My grandmother went to school in 8 years, now children go in age of 6 years old, boys developing slower than girls so lower age of start of school bigger problem for boys.

[@lisaelaine7362]

@@GlennRA3 What do you think is the cause of this?

[@season.of.renewel]

@@rohj4825 I agree that there is an issue with development. Boys have a tendency to have learning disabilities and then you have parents that don't even recognize they have an issue. By the time the notice the boys are having problems it's already to late.

[@TomikaKelly]

"Female learning styles"?? No, hun, your son was just a bit slow and instead of pulling him out and paying for him to get the proper attention he needed to address his deficits, you blamed the school system...🤨

[@User40919]

​@TomikaKelly She's right. Schools don't cater to boys' learning styles. Girls are more able to sit in a classroom for longer periods and listen to a teacher. Boys don't operate the same. We do need more practical teaching methods. Trust me, I'm currently finishing my last 2 weeks of high school, and I've seen the very same thing she's talking about.

[@margaritoamargo6347]

Parents that believe being a parent ends at 18 were never really understanding their job. You need to prepare your child for the future by ensuring they have some autonomy and work ethic but also by being there when things fall apart and helping them stand on their own 2 feet and be self sufficient again. Raise your children to be people you would be excited to be around.

[@the_expidition427]

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[@NineInchTyrone]

What are the degrees ? Communications? Gender studies ? Education ? Psychology ? Sociology? BS

[@PumpkinPotatoPie]

As someone in a female dominated field, whenever i ask for help or ask questions i get the briefest of answers while ive seen the professors go on entire tangents for female students de

[@deepforestfire]

You should see how it is for women in male-dominated fields like STEM.

[@LoveFactorySweatShop]

I think people just don't like you.

[@slydog7131]

@@deepforestfire I was in STEM. Women were a respected and valuable part. They were never brushed aside or ignored.

[@deepforestfire]

@@slydog7131 You're a male speaking on behalf of women, though. There are plenty of women who say otherwise.

[@slydog7131]

@@deepforestfire No, I'm speaking on behalf of what I observed over decades. I have always seen women get their due consideration, though it is probably true that men speak up more and hence get more attention just due to that. But that does not mean that women are dismissed when they do speak up.

[@New_LoJack]

This might be survivorship bias but as a man who has graduated from college, it really should be up to the individual to succeed. If a group of men decide not to go to college, who cares?

[@DynamicUnreal]

If you got hit by a car, other men shouldn’t stop to help because it wasn’t them that got hit, who cares?

[@New_LoJack]

@@DynamicUnreal if I got hit by a car, I want someone who knows what they are doing to help me, or at least call 911. It’s up to the individual to succeed. It’s up to the one individual to call 911 or to succeed in college.

[@muraismybby4617]

​@@New_LoJackI agree, like if someone spends on their money a new iPhone and have none left for rent or food, why should it be my turn to care, they should've took more care of their possessions, not my monkey not my circus 🤣.

[@BlunderCity]

That only applies if there's a level playing field. Here, there isn't.

[@gaeig]

I feel the underlying problem lies in patriarchal conditioning from childhood which restricts heterosexual and "masculine" men from being open-minded to degrees which don't center around the ego. As a result almost all males focus on getting a degree in engineering and natural sciences only resulting in unhealthy competition which leads to engineering and STEM students predominantly male and a quite large chunked rest who could've easily gotten valuable degrees in less egoistic courses had they been open-minded about alternative options lose all hope till the end of high school and perform worse in every test even than women and a few men who targeted alternative paths but remained optimistic and determined to succeed at a realistic goal Even as a gay person in India who was the most hyperactive and troublemaking person throughout junior school till the bullying got worse beyond tolerance I can confirm that even if there are learning styles suited to one sex or the other the differences are insignificant beyond any real life effect that puts heterosexual "masculine" men at a disadvantage to get a degree and feminism or gender equality has nothing to do with it since it's the same trend in India as in the US in terms of college degrees and grades Add to this the patriarchal pressure to put up a performance of what you guys in the West call an "alpha" male ironically on all heterosexual men which clearly takes up so much of the headspace in many men that should be focused on getting a degree and you're literally set for failure unless u have an extremely high intelligence quotient or familial wealth And the sad anti-intellectualism in the comments is only more hopeless. It is just sad that so many people are willing to discourage men from acquiring knowledge at the prime age of their cognitive intelligence and would rather cheer them to direct their teenage angst into killing innocent civilians in the Middle East than not reaching their full "masculine physical potential".

[@OhLookItsJonBoy]

For the past 30 years we have told girls they are strong and independent, that they have "girl power", that women should strive to be a leader wherever they go in life. Boys and young men have been completely left behind. They have been told they are toxic and when very young, are encouraged to take medication for their hyperactivity. As wrong as it was to have doors closed to women (or very difficult to enter) we have completely flipped. There are no major resources or counseling dedicated specifically for men due to cries of sexism.

[@season.of.renewel]

We can tell girls whatever we want and it has nothing to do with the lack in men.Women should not feel small just so they can feel bigger. The real issue is that the boys were neglected and that starts at home at an early age. Most of the issues with boys start when they are toddlers but nobody notices until they are almost grown.The real issue needs to be addressed inside the homes they are growing up in and not the outside. There are plenty men that have been raised with social skills and to be self sufficient. These men are doing well so that tells you what the problem is. You can't wait till these boys are teenagers to figure out what's going on.

[@deepforestfire]

What male-specific counseling needs to be available that doesn't already exist as the default?

[@mankind5709]

It’s not evened out , men are struggling, these issues will be more prevalent in the next 4-5 years. When these young ladies see their pickings will be virtually non-existent.

[@aldaoroman]

Fine by me

[@EnronnSierra]

Growing up, I had some learning challenges, especially back in my home country I felt isolated and directionless. Even though my mother meant well, her approach was too harsh, both physical and verbal abuse just pushed me further into fear of school. I was also dealing with other emotional and identity issues so school for me just felt like a big waste of time. I knew if I put my mind towards to learning, I often came out successful. A lot of the learning challenges, I experienced later in life as an adult, just recently up to three years ago. And at the end of the day, it just came down to approach. Its not gender specific, your mentor male or female can determine your outcome. A big part of my conclusion was my mother was partly lousy at this, but she was just doing the best she could. That job I mentioned, the initial onboarding person who was teaching me the skills to perform the job, she did a lousy job. Because when they put me on the floor to start taking calls and perform the actions necessary to carry out my job, I messed up. My lead who happen to be male, gently took me aside and asked whats going on and why am I doing it wrong? I explained this was my understanding. He then took just a little time to slowly and logically explain everything in less than 30 minutes. What took that lady two weeks to teach me, that guy opened up my mind because he took just a little bit of time to really explain. Within two weeks I was at the top of the leaderboard and getting the most kudos from customers. So, I think boys today and even men, the approach we use greatly determines their success in life.

[@Solomeo_Paredes159]

Study is not Useful. I am 50s and i regret get my fnp masters with 3.9 gpa, no job, tuition debt, no sirve estudiar.

[@NinjaXchacha15]

You never communicated to the women teachers, and had to wait for another male to approach you and pry before you admitted you don't get it? And you blame the women simply because you never had the emotional nor social maturity to initiate a discussion yourself?

[@EnronnSierra]

@@NinjaXchacha15 How you know I didn’t ask? How do you know I wasn’t getting shutdown or dismissed anytime I try to ask? You are exactly an example of the problem. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are bitter and alone with a wireless keyboard as your only friend.

[@NinjaXchacha15]

typical incel response-- grow emotional maturity and then you can join us adults at the table. @@EnronnSierra You made a point to tell your story the way you did, don't come at me for facts you have intentionally left out.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

62% women??? Why weren't classes like that when I was in school? My degree is in Mechanical Engineering. If I recall, there were three women. THREE! There was one girl doing meteorology that I had for one thermodynamics class, so I guess technically four! 😂😂😂 Seriously, though, I still don't know what to make about this. As the article pointed out, you rarely see women in the highest positions, running companies, so...I don't know. I know as a black man, it really saddens me to see black men not graduating with 4 year degrees. I don't see an issue with at least trying to understand what the heck is going on.

[@jimsimpson1006]

10 or 20 years from now, I think those highest positions will HAVE to be filled by women. At the rate things are going, there simply won't be any younger men left to replace the older ones leaving at the top.

[@lprice5583]

This is a downstream effect of how men are discriminated against in divorce. The laws actively tear men out of the position of being a father and just look at them as an ATM for their ex-wives. When a man gets married, he is handing a loaded gun aimed right at his head legally. Ex-wives are financially encouraged to tear the their former husband's out of the lives of their children so that they can demand more financial support. The ex-wife damages her children and ex-husband in the process. The damage is especially terrible for sons.

[@the_expidition427]

Work for the state or the man saving this

[@aldaoroman]

And yet those who claim "they are worried for Men" don't lift a finger to change the Laws or Fight Feminism in the real world.

[@lprice5583]

@aldaoroman I have no problem with women having equal rights to men. My issue is when they are given rights over men. Examples: divorce, rights to children, any claims of sexual or physical abuse.

[@aldaoroman]

@@lprice5583 I reject that crap of "Equal rights" WITHOUT "Equal Punishments/Sacrifices/Vulnerabilities" like Men, it's like giving a spoiled brat the Rights of an Adult but make the ADULT face accountability for the Child mistakes.

[@mafp22w]

@@lprice5583 Men and women are not equal. They are equivalent, but far from being equal.

[@djdedan]

How many men are actually applying to college compared to women?

[@BlunderCity]

About 35% less.

[@before120]

@@BlunderCity disagree I am not positive but I bet if one lifted the rock we would find the ACCEPTANCE rate for females is quadruple what it is for us males.

[@BellTunnel]

Hopefully more and more kids, regardless of race or gender, realize that college degrees are not the keys to success they once were.

[@wildfire9280]

It might be in Utah, but not in most states and especially not New Jersey.

[@danielmiller9012]

Depends on field STEM degrees are Nursing degrees are accounting degrees are rest? mostly not worth it

[@idontwantgoogletofindoutmy558]

Wouldn't it be the other way around? As humanity becomes more and more advanced the success in the modern day economy requires more and more specialisation? Not attacking you or anything, I know little on the matter, but what was the state of affairs like back then in regards to needing a college degree?

[@RicochetForce]

@@idontwantgoogletofindoutmy558 The problem with that is this: You're asking people to DROWN in education debt just for the chance to avoid treading water or to keep your head slightly above water. That's TOO specialized. We're rewarding specialization and putting an extreme price on it. We're not insects.

[@idontwantgoogletofindoutmy558]

@@RicochetForce I never said the sytem was good, I think ideally you should be able to come out of high school take on a job or apprenticeship at a company and climb the corporate ladder and learn things on the fly. My question was more asking why people needed college in the past but don't now according to their comment.

[@oldbrokenhands]

From my perspective, I was a young minority man who needed to work while trying to go to school. An unstable job market left me struggling to find a stable schedule and income for going to school. And I've seen the same thing happening with my nephews and other minority men I grew up with. A lot of the Hispanic guys I went to school with had to limit or drop out of high school to get jobs to support their families, and as I mentioned with my nephews, they too had to find jobs first that limited their ability to stay in school full time. For the TL:DR, from my perspective men have had to work first and pursue education as a secondary goal.

[@ismaeltolentino4500]

Yeah, this happens..GENDER ROLES, man are the providers...so we are expected to drop everything and provide. Women are not expected to do that..even in a marriage..they can leave and take half of your stuff.

[@robertduluth8994]

Being poor really sucks, immigrant parents are a horrible burden

[@EM-rm2xh]

Plenty of women have to work first and pursue education secondary. Sit down.

[@chanj2109]

I'd like to know the correlation between video game usage and college graduation rates of men

[@hereigoagain5050]

On the bright side, lets hope the "missing men" are learning practical skills in professions that pay well instead of taking on college debt for degrees in fields that lack employment opportunities.

[@TT09B5]

@@P.90.603 Men also take the degrees in college that actually apply to something. No that is just one reason they make more money, its also because, they die more on the job, take less time off, see the doctors less, longer shifts, etc.

[@tombraiderstrums09]

Thank you for reporting on this, takes real courage in today’s media environment

[@TacticalEntropy]

From a young age today women are given many opportunities and lifted up while simultaneously being told that they are oppressed. This creates a situation where they have opportunities to help them achieve but still believe that their success was in spite of oppression. Meanwhile young men today are often given less support by comparison while constantly being told that they didn't earn or deserve what little they have, and that they need to step aside to make room for someone else. This creates situation where when men struggle while being told they have it easy, it negatively affecting their mental health. This is why (and the 3 students in the video are a perfect example), when men and women today are shown objective data like men's higher suicide rate, the response from women is all to often to ignore that and claim that "men don't have real issues" and the response from men is often to just shrug it off as everyone has problems. Society today cares very little about mens issues and daring to bring them up ranges anywhere from eye rolling to anger. And before you reply with tons of comments about history as many comments here have, just stop. If it happened before you were born, you get to claim that hardship as you never actually experienced it. If you think there are ramifications from the past on your life, then you should be more than capable of explaining the concrete impact it is having on you today. We live in the present not the past, lets keep the discussion focused on the issues of today.

[@the_expidition427]

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[@BlunderCity]

Spot on! The first step towards turning it around is ending feminist propaganda. That means systematically punishing the institutions that spread it, starting with the mainstream media and academia.

[@erstonoutway7281]

Absolutely spot on. Reading some comments from obvious hardcore feminists with lack of critical thinking who are rationalizing or defending this fact is straigt up disgusting.

[@caoimhec7697]

A British MP recently stated in Parliament that feminist ideology is having a negative impact on men’s mental health. As you would guess, his comments were met with stony silence and hardly a mention in any of the mainstream media outlets.

[@Passbu]

The phenomenon often characterized as "falling behind" does not accurately capture the situation at hand; rather, it reflects a conscious choice made by men to pursue a lifestyle that aligns with their personal values and aspirations. It is worth noting that a significant number of men opt to acquire passports from countries where they rank among the top 5% of earners. Personally, I earned $207,000 last year while residing in a modest one-bedroom apartment in West Virginia, which costs a mere $675 per month. Instead of gauging my success based on gender comparisons, I prioritize evaluating my achievements through the lens of a frugal lifestyle and the abundance of leisure time at my disposal. As a contemporary man, I can confidently assert that I do not awaken each morning consumed by thoughts of competing against women or men. Such notions rarely occupy my mental landscape. Rather, I choose to forge my path in life according to my own principles and preferences. I encourage you to do the same - live your life on your own terms and embrace the freedom to shape your own destiny.

[@ronswansonsdog2833]

That’s hot.

[@PossibleBat]

You are one of the few tho, a lot of men are frustrated with their lives, with their status and their social skills. They really are staying behind, scared and afraid of their worth and future. And take into account that most of these men do NOT know how to deal with their emotions properly, it’s a recipe for disaster…. Sad and angry young men with nothing to lose? Chaos.

[@mechadeka]

Yeah bro I just chose to live below the poverty line with minimal education and career prospects. I thought it'd be a funny gag.

[@the_expidition427]

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[@KnowledgeNerd123]

I read Richard Reeves' book, Of Boys and Men, and this problem goes wayyyyyyyyy beyond just the education system. There has been a massive push for women in STEM in the past 20 years, despite the fact that we did not have a shortage of scientists, technicians, engineers, mathematicians. But why has there been absolutely no push to get men into HEAL (healthcare, education, administration, literacy) jobs? We have very real shortages in these fields and yet to even suggest that we need to be helping men get into these careers is taboo because for some reason men or more accurately, the patriarchy, is the problem.There's also lots of evidence to suggest that the gender pay gap isn't nearly as bad as what they showed in this video. They get these numbers simply by taking the number of men in the workforce and dividing it by the total amount of income they earn, and same for women. It doesn't take into account that men tend to work much more overtime, men tend to do most of the dangerous jobs that have high pay (soldiers, firefighters, police officers, oil rig workers, etc), and many men pursue careers that are more lucrative. They want you to think that if a man and a woman with the same resume/experience/education apply for the same job that they offer the man $100,000 while they offer the woman $82,000, but that is not the case. To be fair, in my 34 years of life I have seen men's role in the workforce and society at large just shrink and shrink. I'm sorry that the patriarchy exists (or existed) but in my lifetime I have seen how society views men as worthless troublemakers, creeps, slobs, etc. This has led to men leaving the dating pool en masse (kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHyXqml5Zrqontk), the rise in male loneliness, the rise of "incels" and just a general fracturing of society. Life is hard as a man, no one has any sympathy for men, no one is easy on them, more is expected of them, and any complaining on their part is treated as trivial or total BS.

[@TMoney-wt1cw]

Yes, everything you said is the truth and it’s astounding how the media rarely, if ever, goes this in depth. They just parrot the same misleading statistic of “women earn $.80 to every dollar a man makes” and go no further, which has led to this entire pointless “debate”. Also kind of crazy how most women would refuse longer hours or more dangerous/physical jobs.

[@sovietunion7643]

the dating pool thing is also just a distrust that men have nowadays. no hate towards women, but no fault divorce laws have honestly been the worst thing invented this century. in theory it was to allow women to leave marriages easier, but it honestly has lead to a huge increase in divorces and child custody cases. when you decrease the difficulty of a divorce you incentivize leaving over dealing with the relationship issues. this is made worse by the fact most divorce court cases are often won by women due to that drive. this means you have women who decide the marrige isn't working for them, and because they know that they can take the children and half (or more) of the money in a divorce with no problem, they are incentivized to leave the marrige. the worst thing is what it does to kids. it leaves many children nowadays between two households or not knowing their mother/father. this is extremely dangerous as how you grow up effects a huge amount of how you see the world, and most kids nowadays see the world as unstable or selfish

[@RicochetForce]

Why the hell do you want to push men into lower paying fields? The nation as a whole is suffering from a SEVERE deficit in STEM field folks. This is why we keep having to import talent from abroad. We have the largest amount of able-bodied men out of work and education in the nation's history. Offer them massive incentives such as 100% free education and support if they go into STEM fields and the men will come running.

[@the_expidition427]

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[@the_expidition427]

Healthcare is not lower paying. The shortage in STEM is not caused by lack of talent in that there needs to be imported labor. It is more so the want to be cheap, equality over equity, the pay is not worth the while. Hence social work being paid roughly $30k annually being focused on females that want to "help" people when its avarice wanton greed. The change to standardized salaries affected this to employers need to cough up the dough or government needs to cut fiscal policy on spending lower inflation

[@bombaybeach208]

One of the worst things to come along are video games, that take perfectly able bodied young men and sit them in front of an isolating screen for years thru their formative years. They need to be out in the community, volunteering, helping people, learning social skills and basically...becoming men. I mean think about it. What is our "rite of passage" for young men in this culture? Video games. And that extends far beyond teenage years. Men spend crucial parts of their lives locked away in fantasy land then get angry when women are off put by them, and are also succeeding where these men are failing..then out comes the gun to exact revenge on everyone.

[@season.of.renewel]

I agree. These guys today don't know anything outside of video games and Reddit. They are completely lost when it comes to living in society.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Both men and women don't have proper relationship skills, which has lead to trends like MGTOW, Red Pill and similar things on the female side. In the past, we didn't have the same access to easy escapisms like we have today, so most of us were forced to learn how to relate to one another.

[@corywashington9580]

What? Videogames are a hobby. Parents said the same about tv's and movies to previous generations. I don't understand why people point out videogames as the cause of massive societal issues, but ignore social media, lack of teenage oriented hangout spaces, lack of a sense of community within neighborhoods, poor k-12 education, social inequality, etc. My dad played videogames and introduced me to them. It didn't ruin my academic development and i ultimately got a PH.D. In fact, most folks my age with the same degree play videogames from time to time 😂. Why blame massive societal issues that has systematically been developed on a random and diverse entertainment hobby?

[@bombaybeach208]

@@corywashington9580 Who said those were all being "ignored?" It's the isolated, unsocialized male that is a significant problem today. Video games are close to 100% of the reason for that. It's an easy out for males who have no rite of passage to move them into adulthood, it keeps them in terminal adolescence and in a world of fake achievement. Some of the other factors you mentioned are just as valid, and, sometimes the result of that sort of isolation. I do not believe in social inequity, however. Everyone can succeed. They just have to put their mind to it. Doesn't matter if you came from nothing. It's a choice to remain nothing.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@corywashington9580 The issue is addiction to video games. Just like alcohol is not an issue for most people, but it can be very destructive as an addiction. The same is true for video games. The problem is that many folks are using video games as an escape to avoid the real world, which is problematic for developing social skills. Anything that becomes all consuming is problematic. I enjoy video games too but I must put time limits in place to keep myself from interfering with other aspects of my life.

[@dplj4428]

At one point, all clerks and secretaries were men. I was one of 2 female in my electronics class. When women were in lesser numbers, did the men worry about the womenfolk? Instead of blaming the woman, find a way to help both adjust. Also, maybe some guys (more than women) have been in military and suffer that trauma.

[@slydog7131]

I don't think anyone was blaming women, only pointing out how men are lagging. We've spent many decades focused on helping women excel, and we are still at it. Special programs abound for women. Women's centers on campus, which is odd given that more than 60% of students on campus are women. Perhaps it is time to put some of that effort towards other groups.

[@thenoobprincev2529]

Eh, infact...*they did.* for decades(and continuning) all the help and attention were given, handed out to women, Sometimes even at Men & Boys expense. Countless amounts of Scholarships, Quotas, Special programs and fundings etc...None of these programs have ever stopped, even When Women started outnumbering Men; Infact Calls for Denying Men their Equal Oppurtunity only increased. What have Men ever Gotten? Could you tell Me? Have you ever heard of like, an educational program esp directed at Men at universities? Yeah, Lol. I thought so.

[@jayc342009]

Men fought for women's rights too, just saying.

[@jayc342009]

Also...women are not the issue. The issue is lack of male role models in a boys life AND the education system being more geared towards girls.

[@bluedaffodil2023]

I think that a lot of young men are failing because of fatherlessness and absent fathers. Dads leaving the household or being workaholics is a national crisis that causes mental health problems, but girls are more likely to ask for help and get understanding from authority figures than guys are, which impacts their learning experience.

[@the_expidition427]

Saving this socioeconomic class affects this as well

[@DynamicUnreal]

We should also look at the role that women play in creating an environment where the father is absent.

[@jayc342009]

@@DynamicUnreal the role of a man-hater.

[@beatpirate8]

my youngest brother was lost and disengaged and getting in trouble no matter how much reaources were given. my sister wS more self sufficient and suffered through school quietly. i think they all need help. just help differently.

[@blerst7066]

At university, I've faced professors who saw more women than men getting a BA as a big step towards equality. Some would even use these statistics to suggest that women are just genetically superior to men. And these were mostly male professors. Obviously, when I tried to challenge their ideas in private, I was told to man up.

[@RicochetForce]

This is part of the problem with academia. They value people who echo their own ways of thinking and worldview, not realizing their myopic and largely stuck in their ivory tower.

[@jimsimpson1006]

I can never get my head around male feminists. I mean, turkeys cheering for Christmas comes to mind?

[@deanvandress4693]

I'm glad that Main Stream Media is finally looking at this, but to say that NOBODY has an explanation why is absurd. There are countless content creators that explain exactly why. You just don't want to hear it.

[@machupikachu1085]

Nope. They don't.

[@BlunderCity]

Men's rights activists have been talking about this for years but it's only now that Mr center-left raises the issue, the media is paying attention.

[@2needey1]

Trades +$100,000 college -$100,000 now pick one..

[@FergBent2.4]

Trades all day!!

[@yendayo]

The situation itself is not the biggest problem. The problem is the society still believes this is not the case.

[@the_expidition427]

We. Are

[@alondrita02]

Y’all need to take in account that men also work in trades. Not all men need to go to college or university to get a good high paying job. Go to a trade school and compare the gender ratio there.

[@JasonParmenter]

Not everyone should pursue higher education; trade and vocational schools need to be expanded, promoted, and established to focus on alternative pathways for individuals to enter the workforce without relying on higher education. Men may receive lower grades not due to a lack of capability but because they often find greater interest in hands-on learning and statistically prefer jobs that utilize manual skills. Many such individuals would likely prefer to concentrate on entering trades early rather than pursuing further education, and I don't see an issue with that. In fact, trades can often be more lucrative than careers requiring degrees. The challenge lies in the fact that these opportunities are not culturally emphasized, and their infrastructure is not appropriately developed.

[@season.of.renewel]

These programs already exist and the men are just not enrolling. The statistics show that. Careers are lucrative for degrees and trades when there is effort. The person has to want to advance.

[@jordannewsom3606]

​@@season.of.renewel Promoted is the key word

[@RicochetForce]

@@season.of.renewel Then more changes need to be made. Make the programs free. Make the programs pay these men to attend and graduate. Offer job seeking programs. Do everything you did for women and girls. Or don't, and enjoy a society with a hundred million impoverished men who are disaffected, disconnected from their communities, and fertile ground for a revolutionary to lead them into dismantling a system that benefits women over men. As we've seen throughout history, groups of women organizing is annoying to those in power. Groups of men organizing is a flat out threat to the entire power structure and nation.

[@tanalincia6314]

Promoted? Why? The trades are important I agree, but let's not pretend they are a glamorous life. They are hard, physically demanding jobs that likely destroy your body over time. We don't need to lie to these kids. The ones who want to do it will. But let's not sugarcoat the facts and lie to them.

[@isentropic8279]

Another reason America has to create mental health facilities for people and tracking results to maintain a path of success.

[@goofball1_134]

higher education is not a requirement for a high amount of income, it's really that simple.

[@hlysnan6418]

No interest in the "why", CBS?

[@JJGuey-vf1hb]

Men realize you don’t need college to be successful

[@donjindra]

The system insults men and they're learning it's become a drag on true learning. The Internet has changed education for those who know what they want.

[@TC-cd5sm]

They don't want to be stuck in the matrix

[@robertlunderwood]

Not if he wants to date and marry.

[@donjindra]

@@robertlunderwood Not true.

[@robertlunderwood]

@@donjindra Blue collar men, especially in the black community, are looked down upon by women. Women tend to date at their level or above. Women with degrees want men with degrees.

[@Dakid015]

It would be helpful if this piece got more into the root causes of why men feel the way they do today. If older generations of men who are successful today didn't have this problem, then the question is what changed? Is there a social or cultural shift? Is it bad economic situation? If so why is it affecting more men than women if they both came from a similar situation. More research into the why versus the what would bring more to the conversation

[@RicochetForce]

Society actively worked to eliminate the educational disparities for females (girls and women) once said disparities were identified. Curriculums were changed. Policies were changed. Societal resources were bent towards girls and women and away from boys and men.

[@saltycrunch]

The only difference is that now women are no longer oppressed by men/male-created laws for the most part. On a nore equal playing field, women turned out to be superior to men in ways the modern world requires. Men were only "successful" in the older generations because they didn't have competition.

[@slydog7131]

Very much agree. I suspect the rise of the single-parent family has something to do with it. Dads aren't around nearly as much. Boys need role models and guidance to become a man, and they need a significant male figure in their life to guide them.

[@sinebar]

@@RicochetForce I agree that disparities were addressed but I disagree that resources were shifted from men. As a 26 year old medical student in Canada, I think men just became disinterested. That was my observation growing up and going to school.

[@DynamicUnreal]

It’s the lack of access to sexual and relationship attention from women. No prospect of having a family. Men born in the 60’s down had more motivation because there was a clearer path.

[@vdubz67]

Did that girl really describe men falling behind and commiting suicide as a "fuss"? I'm sorry but can we stop saying that women are the more empathetic and sensitive or the sexes

[@caoimhec7697]

In another YT video I saw a post from a woman who said male suicide is higher because men are more selfish than women and don’t care about the consequences of their actions on others. I consider it the single most insensitive thing I’ve ever seen on YT.

[@scottl9660]

This is a generalized trend of men’s problems not being problems. College graduation is simply catastrophic to men and will continue to be as long as education is broadly tied to success, status,and income.

[@greglamm5986]

For all the people below that say degrees today are worthless or that it's just a piece of paper on the wall, there is no such thing as a worthless degree. Having a college degree opens doors to jobs where it is a requirement. As someone who has been on dozens of hiring committees, if you can't meet the basic requirement for a job that requires a degree, you have zero chance of an interview. Even if it's not in your field of study, you can at least get your foot in the door in a field where you may not have experience but can acquire it. When I was in the military, I always told the young airmen to take advantage of their education benefits. Leaving free money on the table to better yourself academically and make yourself more employable is inexcusable.

[@grahamfloyd3451]

@@Solomeo_Paredes159 doubt it.

[@season.of.renewel]

@@Solomeo_Paredes159 I think is more of a personal choice not necessarily a society issue when people choose degrees. There are career test that have been around to help people determine what's best. This is how I found out what careers fit me. I took the Truity aptitude test and it's free for the info you need to know. It also has personality test that also gives careers that match. I would advise you to consider it to put your degree to use. I did it and it was spot on.

[@elizabethr4107]

Exactly

[@tigerlilly9038]

This is a truth but when you say this to people some how it has become a critique. IT is sound advice to fortify your success.

[@weird-guy]

But if men make about the same going to trades,construction,truck driving ect without a non stem college degree where’s the incentive for them to go to college meanwhile women usually prefer jobs that require college degree like healthcare,education,social work ect. Also there’s a new phenomenon contributing to it and it is the fake gurus or manosphere telling lies/rage bait for views and money and most of the audience is young and male

[@Italiagurl]

One of the reasons this could be happening is the way that many kids have been raised in the late 80's, 90's, early 2000's. During this time there was a sort of hands off approach, -- giving them whatever they ask for, letting them do whatever they want, lack of responsibilities, letting the kid think they are "the most important one" in the household, many things paid for by the parents. Some of them became sort of like an "eternal adult child", who depends mostly on support from their parents, and has little motivation to go beyond that point. A lot of this problem rests with the parents enabling it and not setting clear boundaries/ expectations. I'm sure the parents meant well, wanting their kids to have as happy a childhood as possible, but this led to a lot of spoiled kids who ended up having no direction in life, a reluctance to move forward, previously having many things done for them.. Many of these kids needed responsibilities in the home, a sense that they can contribute to the household and help their family too, which would help their self esteem and sense of capability once they move out. Clear responsibilites and expectations were generally more visably present in the early 20th century, but faded out towards the end of it. The solution is a combination --- encourage your kids to explore , learn , be themselves, have fun, but also give them responsibilities, teach them how to do things and learn basic skills from an early age and let them know what's expected of them. Help them understand the consequences of their actions. I know there are other factors out there that contribute to this issue well, but this is one of them. As to why it effects boys more than girls, it could be the way boy and girls are socialized in general. It's probably happening to girls too but it effects boys more.

[@JRCGuitarist]

I would agree with you if this kind of parenting(permissive) wasn’t also common in the 60s. For starters, most kids in the 80s, 90s, and 00s weren’t being given whatever we wanted, many of our parents didn’t have the budget to do that. We had chores and a clear sense of responsibilities, while parents did try to not be overbearing at times, they failed at times and were overbearing instead of encouraging independent thought, hence, the struggle of young adults then and now to really know how to handle decision making since we were used to be told what to do, and this applies to classrooms too. There was also spanking, as well as other disciplinary practices. It should also be clear, that various cultures have raised kids to be a priority in the home, but they don’t have issues with young males not taking up good opportunities. So, I question that is the issue. It seems the problem comes down to a failure in the home for parents to be more involved in helping their sons to think about what they would like to contribute to society. I wonder if these conversations are even happening. And also, there is a need for tutoring in schools in underserved communities. But most of all, young males seem to really someone to be little pushier with them, when I was high school, male elders tried to get the young males, standing outside to come in and go to school, and a lot of times they didn’t. There was mentorship available but they didn’t take things seriously enough. Female students were more active, when mentors spoke to them, they listened better, even if they were absent a lot, they pushed to make up work. The males dropped out eventually and wasted money. There is a mindset that needs to be addressed there. Yet, I’m seeing a lot of young males from single mother homes going to college, while I’m seeing others not aspiring to much. There’s something in their home life that’s triggering the behaviour, however, I don’t see any systemic or structural issues here, this issue definitely appears to be choices and mindsets in part of young males. What can parents do to counter this issue? What single mothers who have successfully sent sons off to college doing that others are not doing. What can two parent homes do. A lot of two parent homes send males to college, what’s going on in others? Also, we need non-college options for people too. Trade schools, especially. There has to be ways young men to make a living without needing a degree. With factory work declining, what will replace this?

[@jessiejoseph1093]

Great observation.

[@jerseykevin27]

You all have this wrong, As a white boy in school, my Karen teachers literally told me, over and over.. they hate men, and my grades showed it. D's- n F's

[@jscullyandmulderx25]

​@@jerseykevin27 Then they were wrong. Then those Karen women had problems and shouldn't been teaching anyone. Home life?

[@jessiejoseph1093]

@@jerseykevin27 Unless you were trying to date your teacher, you could have just tuned them out. Or done your homework. Or both.

[@usienwkdau2jfb28u4b]

As a male currently studying computer science, ill say that in my courses there is only 3 women total and the rest are male. I do believe, however, that the ratio of women to men will begin to balance out as time goes on. But, when I've mentioned that I go to university, its always fellow men that will tell me they wish they could but are not smart enough, or that a higher education is just an outright scam or unnecessary. Because of this Ill assume women will continue to gain more ground, which y'all rightfully should. I blame social media for this.

[@quonxinquonyi8570]

No it will never be balanced out in hardcore stem subjects until or unless you dumb it down to level of Pakistani education system....being an engineering student, I have never ever seen girls making any effort to learn engineering stuff the hard way rather than cramming and getting good grades.....females are naturally accepting and don’t question that’s why the elites of modern world want to replace males by females at least in middle management jobs....but science and tech is all about rebelling and women don’t have that rebelling nature in them....

[@usienwkdau2jfb28u4b]

@@quonxinquonyi8570 feel bad for you

[@usienwkdau2jfb28u4b]

@@quonxinquonyi8570 with your knowledge forget engineering, it's not for you. go all in on your gender studies!!

[@quonxinquonyi8570]

@@usienwkdau2jfb28u4b I am open to accept any engineering challenge from you baby....be it in ml and ai as well....proud to have “ honorable mention” in imo and couple of best research paper awards in top academic journals....what are your achievements baby other than making noises in comment section

[@usienwkdau2jfb28u4b]

@@quonxinquonyi8570 hey I promise you literally no one cares

[@dhickey5919]

Three quarters of engineers are male as well as majorities as doctors, surgeons, lawyers, master's degrees, and PhDs. More females in medicine generally as well as teaching and administrative roles. That's what the data shows. It would be sensible to mention that most of the manual positions in construction, military ground forces, and infrastructure are majority male. Based on data it's questionable if there's a perception problem or a real one.

[@johnraviella6561]

Not sure why you are using statistics on particular professions to invalidate the educational disparities in undergraduate post-secondary education. It's apples and oranges, which is precisely what the experts in the news article were emphasizing: We need to focus on ALL disparities, and not use one social disparity to justify the existence of another. Any disparity is a real problem, especially when you give it 40 years to fester and grow and become unmanagable.

[@X-7-JAMES]

I believe the purpose of the report is to address a trend that will impact the future. They aren’t talking about current statistics in the job market.

[@michaelalbanese1877]

I think the fact that nearly 80% of suicides are male makes it more than a "perception" problem.

[@GJC93_001]

No offense, but this is a poor analysis. The point of this news story is that men have been falling behind in many professions over the course of the last 3 decades. When you cite simple statistics about who is currently in the minority/majority you have failed to acknowledge that these professions include men of all age ranges and career stages...including a huge cohort of baby boomer doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Many of these men have been working for 40+ years and are close to retirement. They predate the trend of male underachievement discussed in the video. If you look at recent stats of new graduates in these professions a different picture emerges. In 1980-1981, only 24.9% of med school graduates were female; in 2018-2019, 47.9% of graduates were female and post COVID women are now in the slight majority. In 2021-2022 61.95% of students enrolled in grad school were women. And though men are still the majority in fields like engineering and computer science, their numbers are slowly shrinking and the growth of women in these fields is beginning to take on the appearance of an exponential curve. So, among high paying, high educated professions there is a clear and obvious trend towards males falling behind and this will come to undue the majorities you speak about within the next 15-20 or so years. This will leave men as the majority only in dangerous and strenuous positions that are slowly being replaced with mechanical labor.

[@kwyatt261]

But it couldn't possibly be because girls and women don't WANT to work in those fields, could it? How many little girls say they want to be a construction worker or an engineer when they grow up?

[@Nicool333]

After centuries of women being oppressed, it’s finally men being oppressed. Lol Gentlemen, You are doing the right thing. Stay single. Get fit. Build financial wealth. Serve your community. Excel in your purpose and career. Be careful around women. You might get accused of harassment just for talking to them. Stay safe and keep your distance.

[@SJR-o6x]

Video games are a HUGE factor that no one wants to talk about. Obviously it’s not the only factor, but you can’t ignore that a huge chunk of you men are spending 20+ hours on video games each week.

[@IsaacCoffin]

And yall are not spending that time doing make up and shopping Also WHO IS PLAYING 20+ HOURS OF GAMES

[@bimrebeats]

Women are doing so well, they need society to “forgive” student loans

[@BlunderCity]

2/3 of personal taxes are paid by men so student loan forgiveness is yet another instance of men subdidising female choice and getting insults in return.