Why South Africa is the most unequal country on Earth and how to fix it | DW News

[@bradd-leihmolekoa6799]

As a South African the dumbest thing you could do is to still have faith in the ANC

[@oJoJo]

might aswell have the zulu leaders build giant death cult pyramids in the middle of townships to start offer blood to their warrior ancestors. there is no diffrence to the situation on the ground now

[@hairlikewool.1435]

This is not ANC its the fact that nothing changed after the Apartheid because Mandela chose peace over justice and equality.

[@ArnoSnyman007]

And yet there are many that still has faith. Stupidity has no cure for those guys (their voters).

[@charlesscott4722]

@@hairlikewool.1435 And which African country (or any former colony) is doing well after choosing justice over peace? If you can't beat them, you join them, Mandela knew this. Look at Zimbabwe now

[@trevorsnyman6106]

Who you recommend?

[@marcusmoonstein242]

South Africa is very much like Argentina - massive potential squandered by political mismanagement.

[@MichelleMocke]

Precisely.

[@shauncameron8390]

Pretty much.

[@daizenmarcurio]

Facts.

[@princevimbai1]

As someone living here, I absolutely agree. It's actually frustrating

[@Frazztraveller]

Argentina is more developed than south Africa as Tanzanian I have in Argentina for 2 years although inflation suck

[@molatelosamuel2982]

The arrogance in the old ANC woman statement, just shows that we are not going anywhere... As a country

[@wiseguy8705]

It's all scripted. Anc sold us all a dream. They're no different than NP.

[@muphandirudzani6849]

@@wiseguy8705 her stomach is full. the lady is talking nonsense

[@tyrahewitt4714]

She said a whole lot of NOTHING

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

Stop looking at the govt as a soln.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

She's been in power for 27 years and she's saying it's the responsibility of the young people in South Africa, who have no power, to make the required changes. All I hear is victimhood, entitlement and a complete lack of responsibility from her. "27 years is a short time to make change" LMAO. Imagine a politician you've elected saying that to you. Why would you even consider giving them your vote again?

[@mistermistyeye9218]

27 years is a very long time. Korea went from being one of the poorest nations on the planet to the one biggest economies in 30 years. So did Singapore. It is an insult to our intelligence to say change should take this long

[@shauncameron8390]

Exactly.

[@marleneclough3173]

Exactly look at Asian economies how they flew! Hint - they didnt dwell on their past they looked to the future

[@gundamt437]

@@marleneclough3173 you are correct in terms of moving on from the past, but the current world powers still keep African countries in bondage. Congo has one the largest cobalt mines in the world, which is needed to make our electronics work. The powers that be make sure the country stays unstable. I can go on and on. We live in a world where people suffer so that others can prosper. If African countries start prospering and using their resources to build the continent up, what do you think will happen to western countries.

[@mick0matic]

@@gundamt437 Propper trade is what will happen mate..

[@gundamt437]

@@mick0matic it's possible free and proper trading may happen. Ghana's president, has planned to stop or slow exports of it's own co-co beans to Switzerland and start producing chocolate made in Ghana. Let's see how that plays out in the Future, after all, Switzerland and by extension Belgium has benefitted extremely from one sided deals in favour of their country and economy.

[@emashno5]

Can't fight corruption if your own government created the system for it. Can't complain about inequality if your government officials are far richer than the people they stand for

[@princewembo8905]

So if the president was poor and the people were poor then the government is good?

[@emashno5]

@@princewembo8905 Iean let's use logic ma dude.... Does that sound like a recipe for a good government.... Why doesn't the government use its riches to enrich its people as well then we can all be richer rather than one side being heavier than the other..... Why not strive for equal weights? Be optimistic ma dude

[@conradduplooy6570]

This bra is a joker that's why his comment doesn't make sense. His whole country is in tatters but still joking.

[@irresponsibleparent3]

But let them tell it, it's white men's fault!

[@lancelotwilson5761]

SA was corrupt under the white apartheid regime and political power was handed over to another set of corrupters-people who are more interested in getting wealth for themselves & not ddressing the 'root' cause of the problem.

[@Holding0-6]

Minister Zulu: "It is the time for young people to ask themselves the question, what must the future look like?" Youth: Easy. ANC out of power

[@poisonousbadge126]

AND eff communists

[@omyhaby1912]

@@poisonousbadge126 EFF is communist among the WHITES....

[@mrinsanity6063]

The party I'm voting for is actionSa and I don't even like them. Sadly it's the best choice at the moment what are you guys thoughts

[@Holding0-6]

@@mrinsanity6063 You're on point

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Yes sir.

[@christiansenmarcus]

Unemployment has increased in the past 27 years, so how is 27 years too short to make a meaningful impact?

[@TheLucidDreamer12]

Entropy. It's easier to destroy jobs than it is to create them

[@iway002]

ANC incompetence, corruption and blaming a certain race group for their own failure's can do all of that with ease !!

[@anthonymanderson7671]

This would mean that the young skilled south african people will go out of the country to look for a job.

[@JS-zy6pw]

Jobs are made by investors. Investors are fleeing the country. The guy said it. You ignored it. Really poor analysis. You are part of the problem.

[@ryanstephen6163]

@We_live_in a_society You are clueless

[@rockrabbit253]

@We_live_in a_society The first step to reducing inequality is to provide equal education. The ANC government has failed in this for 27 years. Some schools still have pit latrines.

[@Goch46]

If they kill corruption in the country. 50% of the hardships will disappear

[@WiewiurTV]

50% no but close to 90%.

[@TheJamesfer]

If they kill curruption in the country 50 percent of leadership will be dead

[@Goch46]

@@TheJamesfer that is not a joke. Its complete truth.

[@dannnsss8034]

Wow so simple! I wonder why no one has thought of that before...

[@PhYcOnErD]

@@Goch46 Who are they? Certainly not the ANC who are going to end it, they've mastered corruption and institutionalized it.

[@andrewmorrissey7778]

7:50 The wealth wasn't redistributed into society, because it was embezzled by the ANC.

[@Mduren1000]

Partly.

[@drzl]

after apartheid the majority of the countrys wealth never left white hands

[@Dougcm1]

@@drzl haha look what happened to Zimbabwe

[@jacquie212]

The one thing every liberation party finds is that there is not enough pie to give everyone a slice. Better to serve yourself first and throw crumbs to the people.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

@@drzl most of the wealthy whites left SA anyways

[@posapie]

I found myself becoming quite annoyed at how sub-standard this report was. It went to lengths showing the inequality but did an extremely poor job in offering workable solutions. Redistribution of wealth? Oh YAWN! Seriously - If someone gave me a million and I remained uneducated and unskilled, how would I uplift myself once I wake up from the celebration? The woman who made the spa is an example of how someone took initiative and actually improved their circumstances. She took responsibility for her circumstances and created something positive for her and her community. This is how you create a better South Africa.

[@perrywidhalm114]

Amen!

[@supergamergrill7734]

I know. The wealth should be used to fund schools, make trade jobs that don’t need as much education and Mid level housing like in Austria’s social housing which is great

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Always looking for any way to get out of your bit of conquering lands and becoming the keepers. Help the poor ones out or risk going back to the age of conquest.

[@appletree6741]

@@supergamergrill7734 exactly. Use the money to empower ppl via education and opportunity, free handouts and redistribution only hurts everyone in the end

[@supergamergrill7734]

@@appletree6741 But... That would never happen since education now encompasses higher education (college) or a trade which cost money. And most high-school jobs would be taken over by robots So unless we natiolize colleges or subsidies it. It won't happen

[@QuercusQuest]

The county doesnt have an unified society, add to that the corruption and lack of competence and you have a mess of violence. Just pointing to racial lines isn’t solving all those problems.

[@chiefs5822]

An artificially created division, based on race is the reason the country is so divided. To make it simpler, we are who we are because of our parents education, jobs, and exposure. It will take decades of "Purposeful" reintegration into the economy and workforce for this to ever get fixed. And of course the symptoms of poverty and lack of opportunity will always be crime, corruption, and illicit indulgence

[@chiefs5822]

@@lu544 Corruption is all relative, the American and Chinese CCP are levels above more corrupt than the southafrican government could ever be yet their economies are resilient and developing. What we are dealing with is an artificially created cycle of poverty and a class of people based on their demographics. Education is a must, but that alone can't do much. The country is also too poor to really effect change for the huge class of people left behind. there is a term the poor will eat the rich. Thats the shortfall the apartheid government never thought about, concentrated all the wealth to a few minority it will take decades

[@chiefs5822]

@@lu544 what percentage of southafrican budget goes into corruption? the rich need to be in southafrica to make it, thats where their businesses are. imagine trying to go claim another land for diamond expoloration in america, sorry someone already has that gig the economy is actually good in southafrica, one of the best according to the BRICS (Brazil, russia, india, china, southafrica) what it doesnt have is the ability to move 30 plus million people from poverty to middle class. bear in mind, only China has been able to accomplish such feat in recent history

[@brittgayle467]

@@lu544 the division took deliberate effort, why do you assume that the reintegration will just passively “happen”?

[@brittgayle467]

@Danny Archer economic inequality has worsened, but people still have political and social rights that they never had before. They can still vote, aren’t relegated to townships etc. of course the corruption should be remedied, but pretending that apartheid was better is ridiculous.

[@anthonym7004]

Surprised that Kenya is a case study. However, as a Kenyan, I am glad we are moving in the right direction, even at a snail pace. South Africans can follow suit and elect individuals who can be accountable to their own electorate, not the party organs.

[@joeblack4436]

Kenya is doing really well today. Not perfect, but what is perfect? However, that country seems to be on a better trajectory these days.

[@kingjoshuamhuamk2559]

Kenya is doing well with youth empowerment and devolution county gvt system although challenges here and there but definitely on the right direction

[@kimwillis254]

SA are much better than Kenya by far.

[@toyotrading7054]

@@kimwillis254 Not for long my friend, not for long at this rate!!!

[@jameskamotho7513]

Wait until KOT sees this, they come complain here...lol

[@USA50_]

Being born into poverty is a human thing - plenty of people never escape but it shouldn't stop us from trying to make our countries better through peaceful means. ✌️👍😊🇺🇲🇿🇦

[@birdlynn417]

That was nice. :)

[@mondemdlulifx]

Cry our beloved country... this is still going to carry on. Stand up South Africans, no political party or business is going to save us...let us be our own employers.

[@wiseguy8705]

Anc lied and sold us all a dream

[@tfmkhonza5084]

From 1994

[@alucardhellsing1037]

What's your solution?

[@anthonymanderson7671]

The DA is a better alternative to replace the ANC

[@jason4275]

*The main problem is the corruption of the ANC, that organization needs massive reform's many of it's leaders needs to be force into retirement.*

[@romeuvanelli8666]

They shouldn’t be voting for ANC, period.

[@yuchichan4815]

jas

[@craig_motha]

On the other hand, corruption is a crime caused by poverty. So maybe the main problem is the poverty.

[@jason4275]

@@craig_motha people in poverty still has to pay taxes and the tax money is not spend on the poverty areas, itnmostly goes in the back pocket of the people in government managing the funds, South Africa is full of resources there's no reason it should be poor

[@sixLavita]

THis poverty was there before ANC.

[@wessexexplorer]

An unequal country was made more unequal by the movement of lots of poor people from other African countries to South Africa. That created more inequality. The destruction of infrastructure in South Africa will reduce inequality between poor South Africans and the rest of Southern Africa. As bad as the government might be, how do you quickly create a lot of wealth for a fast growing population?

[@kingjoshuamhuamk2559]

Stop excuses in Kenya we have millions of foreigners from other African states including sa yet it has not made Kenya poor but more rich ,say should have proper employment vision like Kenya we r doing

[@wessexexplorer]

@@kingjoshuamhuamk2559 - Inequality is not just having poor people, but also having rich people. Kenya has 55The

[@WNdaba]

True. This abject poverty is just way too much in the cities. Africans move to SA, just to milk the country forgetting SA has it's own problems

[@myselfazania7771]

@@kingjoshuamhuamk2559 SA has the highest number of immigrants in Africa ( google search ) and I don’t know who told you that Kenya is rich . Kenya is not even in the top 5 of the biggest economies in Africa. Yes SA is moving backwards but saying SA should have “proper things like Kenya “ is reaching. Don’t be fooled by these videos . Kenya is still way behind than SA . Maybe if you say SA should learn from Rwanda or even Botswana than we will understand. Those 2 countries have shown steady and fast growth in the last decade and I believe they’re the least corrupt in the whole of Africa.

[@zikhonamaweni1726]

"27 years is a very short period of time" WOW

[@lu881]

Not in today's world. Especially seeing that South Africa was already endowed with infrastructure. So this disparity shouldn't be this wide.

[@00601031]

They've clearly never seen China. Plus with this current government, crime and unemployment was increased.

[@LucidFL]

to put that into perspective... south africas population went from 40 million to 60 million within that time china's gdp increased by 14 trillion within that time hong kong and macao were still british and portuguese 27 years ago the soviet union collapsed only 3 years prior 27 years ago it would still be 7 more years before the 9/11 attacks and the war on terror it would still be 14 more years before the great recession

[@r2ecko]

17:25 - is this guy high as a kite????? "Your inheritance must be given to the state". Wft so they can steal it for themselves! The ANC will never us it for SA but for themselves.

[@therambler3713]

The poor fool still ignorantly trusts the government

[@The9ninebar]

It is interesting that China and South Korea had the same GDP levels as most African countries in the 1970's. They created strong legal frameworks, strong government and minimised corruption to develop their countries.

[@taoxi8635]

you are right. the mos important is china is united and majority is Han people and is very hard working national as south korea as the same. And if south africa is all white people then it will also no problem to be united. but if african united it is problem. because of nature of people do not know how to develop economic in morden world. this is reality and for even all africa

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The most important distinction between the two is IQ rates. @@taoxi8635

[@otis3744]

just shameful, this ends when we love ourselves enough to remove the anc

[@m3lo544]

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[@martajean7178]

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[@_Andrew_S]

My dad was born into a poor white family and had no opportunity to go to university. He was also conscripted to fight in the border war after which he was lucky to get a job at a mine as a shaft driver. He saved money for a long time until he was able to go study insurance whilst working 2 jobs. After 30 years of hard work he is able to give us a better life than he ever had. Where is the white inheritance in his story I ask you? "Lazy people tend not to take chances, but express themselves by tearing down others work". -Ann Rule.

[@Enoch940]

Good for your dad and be proud of his genes as you carry them to. I come from the same history and my family worked 14 hour days and we still do today, 3 generations later. We are well of enough to meet our needs and achieve most dreams. When I read or hear about inequalities and entitlement I scoff simply because you have a huge majority after 30 years blaming a small minority for their own failings and inadequacy as a nation.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Being born "poor" in the west is a little different from being born into a literal slum. Your Father benefited from an infinite array of welfare programs and tax-funded public services. I'm guessing your Dad grew up at some point post WW2 and before 1980. ie a boomer. That was the easiest period in history to be successful in. Houses were dirt cheap, unions were strong, the welfare state was built etc.

[@gabrieldasilva1946]

It's worth mentioning that when the majority government took over they inherited what was the most industrialized and developed economy in Africa. All they had to do was expand that from the minority population to include the majority population. Thanks to the left wing inclined policies of the ruling ANC however, that couldn't happen and as long as it continues, it never will.

[@lethukuthulamhlongo4069]

The problem is minority are never willing to let go of apartheid inheritance.

[@CobusMostert]

@@lethukuthulamhlongo4069 dude not everyone in the minority has a hang-up on the past some of us just want a "fair" shot at employment with a postgraduate degree

[@kazykamakaze131]

@@lethukuthulamhlongo4069 You have an ill understanding of what goes on in a lot of minorities lives. Many are in the same position as their majority counterparts where they also started with nothing and they have it far worse now because of BEE and BBBEE and affirmative action. Remember if all minorities are rich then the definition is lost as you require poor minorities to fulfill the meaning.

[@hught6885]

South Africa was part of the “ BRICS” economy. Brazil, Russia, India, China, and SOUTH Africa. Seems like of those countries, Brazil and South Africa are NO longer prevalent.

[@lethukuthulamhlongo4069]

@@hught6885 That was the aim of removing Zuma by the elites.

[@natalieruss599]

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[@mayam3376]

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[@kevinbrian9332]

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[@rudynathan8852]

While the rest of Africa is developing, it feels like South Africa keeps going backwards

[@agrid2608]

How? Half the country was in slum in 1990. It's down to 12.7%. 40% electrification in 1990. Over 90% in 2019. 6% of South Africa is now multi-dimensionally poor. (MPI) For reference, Ethiopia is 83.5% multi-dimensionally poor. etc. Most of Africa is still majority slum. SA government is daft, but the rest of Africa has hardly been doing better than SA.

[@rudynathan8852]

The economic growth rate of SA is very dissappointing compared to some West African countries and Rwanda, Etheopia etc. Even your neighbor Botswana has a higher human development index than SA and highger GDP per capita (and more evenly distributed). This while SA has so much wealth, money and educational institutions....

[@agrid2608]

@@rudynathan8852 A handful of African countries have growth from a VERY low base, but with ever increasing dysfunction & corruption including rather worryingly Botswana. (Relative formal GDP growth rates aren't social development per se) I never said that the South African government is doing well. Not at all. But the idea that the rest of the continent in general is actually comparatively moving forward (especially on first principles developmental matters) is simply not true.

[@rudynathan8852]

@@agrid2608 Lol that is not true... it is all in the data. Maybe you live with an outdated world view that prevents your frafile ego from collapsing

[@agrid2608]

@@rudynathan8852 Or it is you that has a fragile ego that keeps you from actually looking at what is currently actually going on on this continent. ...or maybe you just don't like someone challenging your comments...

[@dragonredsinbad4631]

SA is a disgrace to all of Africa! They have educated people instead of using them to solve their issues like CHINA has they can not even muster that simple logic. South Africa with there breathtaking beauty and talents should be a shining beacon to the world. They have such a powerful and blessed multicultural race of people why not put that talent and wealth of skill and knowledge to use?

[@myvlog5112]

Thanks for the multiracial compliment

[@naikjoy]

yes they got so many whites that are surely well brought up and educated.. why not put them in charge. I'm sure they could put together an oligarhic technocratic science directorate and would improve the efficiency of growth of the country 10 fold in the first 3 years.

[@dragonredsinbad4631]

@@naikjoy i think SA should seek politicians from elsewhere to run it help honestly it would work. I think start with Obama 4 years or Jeremy Corbn also are good choices.

[@tfmkhonza5084]

@Thabi the puppet worst than any other President

[@yaryen7766]

@@dragonredsinbad4631 lolo Obama is garbage

[@louisvolschenk7200]

Incredible that DW gives a platform to such a poorly informed reporter.

[@kj2346]

ag voetsek whatever your surname is.

[@eagle2125]

@@kj2346 Fokken Voelnek of iets.

[@ngalahansel6066]

You mean she is making all this up? You're quite a package eh

[@princewembo8905]

😭 what did she do wrong? Correct her please

[@jossangeles4011]

Implementing a ceiling on inheritance sounds great on paper, but that will merely scare the wealthy away from the country. Put something like that into play half of the wealthy will move offshore. There will be more poverty as a result.

[@marcokruger1320]

What hahahaha lol. That's the oldest reaction to a wealth tax hahaha.

[@jossangeles4011]

@@marcokruger1320 Indeed. It's happened historically for thousands of years. Nothing new under the sun regarding heavy taxation.

[@shauncameron8390]

@クリンジー And watch the country go bankrupt due to a lack of tax revenue.

[@okumhlopheindodaactsxvii4022]

@クリンジー the African National Congress (ANC) does that

[@Bringon-dw8dx]

@クリンジー you do understand that if the wealthy leave the country, everyone they employ is now out of work right?

[@iszotic]

From a Latin-American standpoint, SA reminds me of Argentina, where ideology is stronger than real solutions, with a sprinkle of race. It's the beginning of the downfall with the same ideas as in Argentina, radical wealth redistribution and a government that blames, and is hostile, to the rich and business in general(the few that dare to stay) bloated with corruption.

[@greyguy9550]

South African here, I've always taught we were closer to Brazil, corruption, crime and drugs, racial issues, large economy compared to neighbors while being a little different culturally but also similar, constantly bitching about Europe and US.

[@lu881]

@Danny Archer Interesting, I guess Belarus is a prosperous White nation. Moldova is also a prosperous White nation. How about Kosovo? North Macedonia? Lithuania? Ukraine? Romania? All bastions of White economic prosperity LMAO 😂

[@allopez33]

@@lu881 All developed written-language systems and could actually grow their hair.

[@brabel0401]

@@greyguy9550 As a Brazilian who has lived in South Africa I tend to agree. I saw a lot of parallels between the 2 countries while living there. Social inequality (strongly linked to race) and crime being the most obvious.

[@ingvar1996]

Hoping for better times for the people of South Africa, stay strong!

[@africanandproud6792]

Thank you so much. God bless you.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

We will.

[@sazijikela2916]

Hope it's long overdue. Action should be the order of the day e.g Rwanda President look out his story no Morden man can prosper on hope alone. That indoctrination Action needs to be done

[@dianamincher6479]

God bless!

[@Augfordpdoggie]

unspoken rule-if you are poor don't have kids, otherwise you are sentencing your innocent child to life....and poverty

[@uninstaller2860]

How about fixing the system and having equality, with proper wages.

[@roblucci2366]

We are tired of these type of videos shame🤞🏽

[@patobrien6364]

If the wealth amassed by the corrupt politicians was redistributed ??????? Just an idea 🙂

[@rockrabbit253]

Some of them are redistributing it to the legal fraternity. Court cases are starting to happen slowly. No unemployment for lawyers in SA.

[@craig_motha]

This is terrifying. Being a South Africa right now is terrifying

[@SK-do3um]

Where are you from?

[@craig_motha]

South Africa Mpumalanga

[@SK-do3um]

What's so terrifying?, are there bombs exploding in each town every single day or are there rebels taking over villages, kidnapping young children in the process and leaving piles of dead bodies in the process? Are you starving that much that people can see every bone in your body? Stop complaining as if you didn't eat supper tonight.

[@Traveler-rf8ye]

@@SK-do3um THIS kind of mentality is EXACTLY what slows people down. If you will constantly just compare everything to "it could be worse" you'd make no effort to improve anything. I've seen this mentality repeatedly. If someone who survived the bombings with their whole family, complained about the bombings. You'd probably say oh "atleast your family is still alive unlike so and so's family???? My point is there's always a worse case scenario, therefore people are allowed to have valid feelings even when they are not in what YOU consider to be the worst case scenario.

[@SK-do3um]

@@Traveler-rf8ye sorry but it's simply a fact that it could be worse, I am simply saying we need to stop complaining and focus on improving things.

[@LetsGo-wl5zo]

20 years ago 10% live in poverty now 33%. The government change changed a lot.. not, the opposite. There is more corruption, crime and poverty. SA the new Zimbabwe 2.0?

[@talyah23]

Nope..that is such a lazy comment that people make. SA is not Zim and we're not headed that way. Only white South African who live abroad think that. We don't.

[@vincentliet7995]

@@talyah23 killing the food production ( kill die boer ) water shortages ( white Workers with a lot of experence are fired) etcetera. I think And i want to bed in 25 years it will be a Zimbabwe 2.0

[@Kanal7Indonesia]

@@vincentliet7995 amen

[@eldridgedavis]

Yes

[@user-yx5pd7yi8o]

@@talyah23 The ANC even sings their "Kill the boer" song on every assembly. Get out of your fairytail world.

[@HenryDube72]

Individual accountability is also an issue. You can't expect someone else to come and clean up your problems.

[@brit7627]

they messed it up

[@TheIncredibleMrG777]

Precisely👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Nobody wants to talk about that!

[@16v_inside]

Sorry to say but the reporter is adding to racist and is the reason why south africa will never be one. Honestly, I've never been brought up with wealth. I had been working from the age of 15. Its more of what you do with your own life as an individual. Stop blaming others around you or other race groups.

[@guayames]

Education will slowly make things better, but corruption of the leaders will destroy any progress!

[@sarahfinkelstein3507]

Education is wonderful if the learners and those who benefit from the schools don't loot and destroy them!

[@romanengelbrecht6717]

Sarah Finkelstein give the people land and ownership then they won't, you have no freedom without ownership, all Gods green grass and you wanna squash people up in skwatta camps, does a squirrel really have more rights than a fellow human being!

[@romanengelbrecht6717]

You can't just buy stuff when you born in a trash environment, going to trash schools being raised in a trash system that tries to keep you in that place of trash till you dig yourself out the trash and have to do everything in your power not to be associated with trash, that's what majority of South Africa's have to deal with you can't comprehend nothing till you in that persons shoes you think most people working 9-5 jobs are lazy or don't care about their futures? What could you do if you only got enough to feed yourself

[@mosalethoba5267]

There's many of us who're educated. Education without necessary resources is nothing

[@mfra959]

South africa actually has the best education quality in all Africa But yeah, still in Middle if you compare all the World

[@hasnatsakib7223]

You can build your career on your own... But maximum times opportunity comes from your family or your class... Education and connection is expensive... The more you have the more opportunity will come.

[@letsfindtheothers9373]

then people should work for more and create new forms of buisiness, people are too afraid to start small

[@ASK-hy3vn]

It's not just in South Africa, but the whole of Africa, poverty is looming on the entire continent, given the endowment of natural resources

[@yannick245]

But SA or Brazil, according to the Gini Coefficient, are some special cases.

[@JackSmith-ou1dg]

SA was once a leader in mining natural resources thanks to the Europeans. But now it is no longer a leader in anything except for platinum production. Russia is the biggest diamond producer and China is by far the biggest gold producer. Even little old Peru produces more gold than SA.

[@drunkensailor112]

There are several exceptions though like Botswana

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The average IQ in Africa is 73. Most of the wealth in Africa comes from colonisation.

[@anthonymanderson7671]

I'm from africa and i agree.

[@mrjohnocon]

GET RID OF CORRUPT ANC AND EFF. SIMPLE.

[@jamesliver966]

"I have been reporting this for a long time. 27 years ANC wants to create jobs...." 30 years later... "I have been reporting this for a long time. 57 years anc wants to create jobs...." ANC... "57 years is to short to make structural changes"

[@ryank3281]

If corruption is not solved, no matter how much reforms you have, it will fail. Yes a wealth tax and land appropriation is a great idea...until those taxes landed in the pockets of officials.

[@palesamphatsoe9242]

Exactly!

[@sanele7427]

As a south african, this looks so normal to me lol. I thought every country was like this.

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

Inequality and unemployment is part of every country, but South Africa seems to have much higher rates.

[@s.mothale1326]

Kinda sad bro

[@timeundertension1823]

Kopman

[@timeundertension1823]

Senaldo

[@sanele7427]

@@timeundertension1823 Awe brooo

[@quietstranger7178]

Keep having 5+ children on little to no income and you are guaranteed to stay poor and raise poor children with the same mind set. Keep depending on government grants and you will stay poor. Keep expecting the government to be a nanny and clean up after you and you will stay poor. But blame your own mistakes on anything and anyone else maybe then things will change.

[@rsouthafrican7516]

Truth that the majority doesn't want to hear!

[@oksowhat]

@@rsouthafrican7516 true

[@eagle2125]

Pretty much sums up how the majority lives down here. This is why educating them is key.

[@spots-]

it’s because if apartheid and south african belong to africans , non-africans should leave

[@amandaw5022]

@@eagle2125 true.. yes we can blame the government, but the citizens must stop relying on government for everything

[@crossfire7474]

May God be with South Africa 🙏

[@tylakannemeyer6499]

Is it just me or do they sound like communists? Redistribution.....REALLY!!!!!!?

[@autumnwilliams8021]

They should stop having children that they can't afford to house, shelter, feed and support!!!!

[@accountretired9479]

I love how you can always spot a white South African even when their name doesn't give them away, real pieces of work and I'm happy that other white people are starting to see them for what they really are if KZbin videos and forums about white South African immigrants in Europe and AUZ/NZ are anything to go by

[@ryanstephen6163]

@@accountretired9479 And what exactly is wrong with the comment you replied to? Unemployed men are having up to 10 children in this country, and that is not a cause of poverty? No, you choose to rather blame those who are creating most of the jobs, paying most of the taxes and bringing investment. As they leave, jobs and taxes are drying up.

[@Iceyfire12]

Also changing the mindset that having more children doesn’t equal to wealth. They don’t need 5 plus children when they only feed themselves and one other person. They don’t own a farm or land.

[@TomNook.]

Truth hurts

[@imhoteptheunsullied3000]

What do they need... 5 plus abortions??? Why are you against life?

[@Traveler-rf8ye]

@@imhoteptheunsullied3000 sex education, birth control etc

[@thuthukanisjaka2597]

Reproduction can not be sole reserve for the rich.

[@vawsonsfurniture]

@@Paul_T2120 Who is your kind that you are talking about?

[@Captionboyful]

Why did you not consulate the Democratic Alliance to see the real picture of this country. Their municipalities and local governance where they hold power are clean audits with all the best metros in this country being run by the DA. The ANC deploys cadres and does not take into account any skill based assignments for governance. The same ANC just signed off on ZUMAS MEDICAL PAROLE which isnt disclosed to the public. They circumnavigate every process of the constitution . I like you DW news but you failed

[@rashidahmed7139]

D. A makes political deals with the American s. Not those situated across the the Atlantic. The ones down the road from Manenburg. Makes me wonder what happened to Stagie

[@rockrabbit253]

@@rashidahmed7139 The ANC controlled SAPS supplies them with weapons.

[@mosalethoba5267]

Clean audits but the people in Khayelitsha and Cape flats aren't living the same standard of living with people at C point

[@rockrabbit253]

@@mosalethoba5267 Obviously poor people have a lower standard of living than rich people , no matter what part of the world you live in. That's why they are called poor.

[@mosalethoba5267]

@@rockrabbit253 but with SA the situation is dire and the sooner we acknowledge that and try to solve it the better

[@maxs.8340]

"27 years is a short period to make changes happen" -- that's a great answer justifying all leaders and parties occupying the powers in their countries all over the world, not only in SA

[@rockrabbit253]

SA's neighbour , Botswana , with far fewer resources started independence in a far worse position than SA and just look at them now.

[@LucidFL]

@@cannabico6621 not even. the average worldwide life expectancy is 73 so that is 1/3 your life

[@abdallahyunus7538]

So moimane was kicked out of the DA! I always felt it was a white party 🤣 sorry

[@abdallahyunus7538]

So moimane was kicked out of the DA! I always felt it was a white party 🤣 sorry

[@spots-]

do you even know the history of apartheid how long it was and how traumatic it was . pls don’t comment if you don’t know the suffering and pain

[@yoladamoyi9801]

These are the worst solutions to inequality that I've ever heard.....

[@NaggersandJoggers]

I'm hoping they try it, I want to see SA turn into Venezuela lol.

[@Fredfromfacebook]

Blaming the ruling-party for everything is useless if you personally haven't done anything to change it

[@martinketteridge2710]

Agreed but losses never stop until you catch the thieves

[@naikjoy]

how come there isn't a single white in the ruling party of south africa?

[@tfmkhonza5084]

@@naikjoy Trevor Emmanuel

[@abu-bakrabrahams5974]

We as South Africa need a new mindset and fresh mindset with innovative ideas and solutions to current day problems, younger and most importantly experienced people are are able to function and fulfill their roles when put into positions of power.

[@abu-bakrabrahams5974]

The government currently consists of dinosaurs with no solutions to present day problem, filling their own pockets and saying yes to their corrupt Comrades, this needs to stop

[@ambrosous]

Take the land away - from all the taking of the land now there is food shortage, why, coz they gave the land away, but those people don't want to be farmers.... so... all you do is take and then don't use it... no logic.

[@charmainej4820]

Where has the land been taken South Africa?

[@martinketteridge2710]

The land is still there but the people who now own it do not have the knowledge nor the desire to prepare and maintain it for food production and also most probably do not have access to the finance that these sort of agricultural ventures require - have we learned nothing from the failed state across the border in Zimbabwe. Most people don't want the land, they want to own it because they incorrectly believe that if you have land you are rich - whilst Limpopo and Natal are very fertile much of the Cape and the Free State are arid and the land itself does not command a large premium upon sale.

[@irrelevanttothecause9448]

You're ancestors stole the land we didn't..

[@kazykamakaze131]

@@irrelevanttothecause9448 Which ones are you referring to? The zulu taking from the Khoi-San? Your arguments are not well thought through, lets rather stick to the property rights that most nations follow as no one should be punished for sins of their fathers as the khoi-san can do the same to the zulus as the zulus want to the caucasians.

[@irrelevanttothecause9448]

@@kazykamakaze131 i'm referring to none africans to be specific europeans 'true nobody should be blamed for sins of their fathers, but you also can't expect people to forget about the 1913 natives land act which saw thousands of native africans forcibly removed. y'all like pretending we ain't in this mess because of white people when its actually true.

[@macmakka8214]

As a visitor to Cape Town I was initially appalled by shanty towns & people sleeping rough, but then a local (white) explained to me that at many come from villages & the hinterlands, they have no money , no skills and few prospects- nobody can afford to give them free housing and money to live , so they compete for a few hours here & there and eventually move into shanty town , perhaps Hout Bay if they’re lucky. Yes he said it is sad, but why do they come , their own African politicians won’t do anything , it’s a strange situation he said.

[@timothyreid427]

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[@lindamine7094]

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[@markorodriguez9793]

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[@berrywills9507]

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[@charlesshwurbs5547]

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[@veratyson1549]

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[@thomasmuller949]

The current poverty is not the result of apartheid but of the corruption of the ruling ANC.

[@theguy5318]

Why would you make 100 kids if you are poor af though?

[@triton62674]

Because you're uneducated and have a lack of access to effective contraception

[@ebeb9156]

SA natives people need to be glad that there white people that actually live there and believe in bright future .

[@adithyavasudevan4036]

What about the rich natives like the Zuma family and his coterie who have amassed wealth by corrupt means?

[@craig_motha]

What about them? Corruption is a child of poverty and that is our problem(poverty) How do we address that? That should be our discussion

[@adithyavasudevan4036]

@@craig_motha Jacob Zuma is poor? And the Guptas? Poverty and Corruption do not correlate.

[@imhoteptheunsullied3000]

@@adithyavasudevan4036 Yes...Jacob Zuma was poor! He was a herdboy one time in his life! He just forgot how that feels like.

[@imhoteptheunsullied3000]

@@adithyavasudevan4036 Poverty and corruption do correlate. If they don't correlate, then what does? Wealth and corruption? Maybe in Germany... But here, the rich Indians will take advantage of an elected native... To further enrich their Indian friends. So... Why would the Native abandon his people? He's poor, and he sees a way out fast. Helping people won't necessarily help him right away.

[@tfmkhonza5084]

Why don't you mentioned Mandela too

[@TatendaMangoro]

She said 27 years is a very short time! Africa is trouble!

[@successfulexcellent1646]

There are many examples of people who were born poor, but did not stay poor. They rose out of it. Let's shine a light on Africa's discustingly corrupt government.

[@larrygerry985]

Maybe having a 1 party state is the issue? Moreover, corruption is more of an issue than race. As the corruption is destroying any hope of advancement

[@dillinsutherland2301]

I do agree with you on that matter but as a white man in south africa it's impossible to get a job that's why I am trying to immigrate to the Netherlands which for me is the only option

[@accountretired9479]

@@dillinsutherland2301 Don't lie man

[@appletree6741]

depends on whether the 1 party is corrupt and dysfunctional or not. A 'good' dictatorship is better (in the sense of faster advance) than democracy, and 'bad' dictatorship is much worse

[@bald_flop8063]

@@dillinsutherland2301 White people still have the highest rate of employment, and men especially

[@bald_flop8063]

@Danny Archer it's hard for EVERYONE to find a job. But my point still stands that white men are the ones that have the lowest unemployment rate and recovered best from the pandemic job wise.

[@irenee800]

Thanks DW, comprehensive reporting. As someone who has lived on both sides of the wealth spectrum in this country; the chasm between the rich and poor is mind-blowing. The poor are destitute and its worsening.

[@mysystem32]

27 years later and *everybody* in South Africa is worse off.

[@gigi-vx8sy]

CORRUPTION

[@gigi-vx8sy]

THE RULING PARTY (ANC) IS VERRRY CORUPT

[@pfanomukhodobwane1666]

This is the reason I never celebrate Nelson Mandela's legacy. That man is a sellout, he chose peace and rainbow nation BS. To make matters worse there is no political will by the ruling party to change the status quo

[@simelane]

At this point South Africans should just vote for ANY party other than the ANC. EFF, IFP, DA, OSA even VF. The ANC has failed and will continue failing the majority of South Africans.

[@simelane]

@Nandadulal Das nizoba strong.

[@fjellyo3261]

There needs to be more free trade between African countries.

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

@Nandadulal Das Well, at least you could give it a try. If the average African can circumvent the power structures of national leaders, they become more powerful. The European continent still has a lot of corruption and inequality these days and things are getting worse. However, transcontinental trade is preventing these things from getting unbearable. Colonialism isn't the main thing what made the Europeans rich. Trade is (both with equal and unequal trading partners).

[@tompickel]

The fact that a third of the population is on welfare speaks volume on the success of the country in redistributing wealth. If valuable goods and services were not produced by skilled people, how would have there been money to redistribute? If no one produced skilled products, there was no value to redistribute. SA must encourage this growth and provide the safe environment for people of all backgrounds to become skilled and participate in value creation.

[@TheModeler99]

" success of the country in redistributing wealth" ??? I think you mean "the potential the country used to have". They were the richest country in Africa, which is why the welfare system can still hold for a while. But they have failed to redistribute the wealth leading to inequality

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

They were the richest country in Africa when white people were in charge lol. White Europeans built the entire country. When it was stripped from them, it began returning to what it was before Europeans arrived-- a primitive hellhole. You can only "redistribute" wealth so much, you also have to build wealth. Something "native" Africans seem incapable of. @@TheModeler99

[@richiepormento3259]

I'm from the Philippines and I think to effectively distribute wealth among South African and reduce inequality, then drastic tax and land reforms must be implemented. Land-grabbing and looting are not the solutions to the problem. These might even aggravate the situation.

[@allopez33]

Equal wealth distribution? Can you equalize human abilities and individual potential?

[@jackienims]

Wow, As a Kenyan, I never thought a South African could ever say, "learn from the Kenyans", because our politics & corruption make my heart hurt. It must be very bad (politically) in S.A for him to make that statement. I hope the younger generation of African leaders can help us be more forward thinkers, and not just worry about "our own" because that is what breeds greed and corruption.

[@lm_b5080]

my experience (as a South African) in Kenya and other parts of Africa is that there is an optimism and better spirit among the youth..many SA'ns have animosity for each other & xenophobia for other Africans..there is a frustration among SA'ns that is being perpetuated by the corrupt ANC

[@erickwachuka6953]

I was surprised to, I had to rerun the video to get clearly. Lol

[@alkebulanmwafrika6368]

Still wondering which Kenya he's referring to? 2003-2013 or 2013-2022. These are two very distinct economies.

[@kingjoshuamhuamk2559]

Kenya is on the right direction with youth empowerment through county gvt rural areas have moved to urban centres and many moving to middle-class Ave witnessed this in the counties

[@gabiesanchez8943]

The context of his comment was "liberating SA from the liberators of SA" just like Kenya has done. Yes, Kenya's politics is still tribal and corruption is rife. However, Kenya has been ruled by 5 different political parties since independence. SA has only been ruled by one party that is still led by the "old liberators" of SA and their cronies. New brooms sweep clean kinda thing. You don't expect new radical ideas from the old guard. They are addicted to the status quo that continues to fatten them. Kenya has had a new constitution, stronger expanded parliament (better representation), stronger independent judiciary, devolved county govt units, huduma centers, CDF, women representatives, local government funds, independent electoral body and some improved transparency in elections, corruption is called out more often without consequences to the whistle blower unlike KANU days ... All these are baby steps Kenya is making towards a brighter future. All these reforms were made possible because Kenyans liberated themselves from the liberators (KANU). Or maybe my understanding of his comment was totally wrong. Or then maybe I understood him correctly.

[@keithbloomfield1341]

Think SA. Think CORRUPTION 🇿🇦

[@leeedwards8690]

The BIGGEST contribution for the inequality is ALL the ANC doing through blatant criminal actions and corruption, blaming Apartheid has lost it's flavor after 28 years!

[@leonardocolossi2270]

I am Brazilian and the same happens here. SA and Brazil are the most unequal countries in the world.

[@Soulofaman]

When she said we need the international community to believe is US. First you must believe in your self africa has that she needs just get rid of the curropt politicians.

[@vespa9566]

When that female so-called LEADER, you’re destined to Fail because of your parents ,pretty much tells you all you need to know. Just because these radical intellectuals we just listen to I have these insane ideas doesn’t change the fact when you burn down your own communities , you will suffer for another 25 years

[@luvuyomgenge6312]

it's like we living in the same building split it into two floors

[@fwd5614]

The ANC inherited a jewel and ruined it in a generation.

[@mhlengimhlungu7670]

Show me a country that's "equal"...I'm not asking for much just 1

[@gigi-vx8sy]

None

[@rockrabbit253]

Wakanda

[@wisemanmabusela6524]

Most unequal......

[@eldios831]

They just said most unequal

[@eihwazz12]

27 years is very short period of time -.- government sure will feed itself

[@pantheratigris561]

I loved that part haha

[@LucidFL]

to put that into perspective... south africas population went from 40 million to 60 million within that time china's gdp increased by 14 trillion within that time hong kong and macao were still british and portuguese 27 years ago the soviet union collapsed only 3 years prior 27 years ago it would still be 7 more years before the 9/11 attacks and the war on terror it would still be 14 more years before the great recession

[@spots-]

do you even know the history of apartheid how long it was and how traumatic it was . pls don’t comment if you don’t know the suffering and pain

[@siphomasilela6465]

South Africa has a system problem, it's NOT poverty or inequality e.g Tender system, Lottery system, Education system etc

[@life-hackerproductions9954]

I am curious about the Lottery system, say more about that

[@marleneclough3173]

@@life-hackerproductions9954 so much given to crooks poor poor folks spending the little they have on a 14million to 1 chance of getting something back

[@eagle2125]

See the thing is they need to blame white people. And the truth won't help them much with that agenda.

[@mechanist2055]

@@eagle2125 lol yeah they try

[@anthonymanderson7671]

True

[@Odysseusnobody]

If only there where examples in africa where they took land from farmers to see what it would look like and what it would do when you hear people say that they want to make things worse for poor people dont focus on color

[@jamesonjosh2056]

Kenya. Took land from white to locals and agriculture is the biggest foreign exchange earner now

[@Odysseusnobody]

@@jamesonjosh2056 think its happened more than that in africa im white even if given land dont think i could feed myself plus it takes alot of work

[@naimurrahman1905]

Zimbabwe took land from the whites and gave it to locals and the economy is doomed.

[@sam3407]

@@naimurrahman1905 Zimbabwe is only 1/54 countries in Africa!

[@coronasboringdothething54]

I think what you guy's are failing to mention, is that income purchasing power has dropped across the board, a frightening statistic when you see the ridiculous salaries the cronies get paid. The ANC has got people dependent on the state, just they way they want it, so that they are easier to control.

[@willg8563]

I wonder what's the excuse in Nigeria or any other African country where most people still live in poverty? Easy to shift the blame around.

[@fjellyo3261]

Ask Paul Kagame

[@babithasingh9367]

Decades will pass and it will be the same or even worse if the mentality of government remains the same..stop promising every thing for free instead create jobs, trade skills that ppl can work and create own wealth instead of welfare, tackle crime in a way that makes a difference to the economy and build trust for investors without investors and enabling local businesses to thrive there never be change and change starts with the way we think

[@ba1anse]

"27 years is a short time" wow, in 27 years, singapore went from a poor country to a developed nation, yeah, indeed it is a short time.

[@cjryan88]

how cant the people of south africa still trust the ANC

[@BobQuigley]

Population in SA increased by 23,000,000 between 1990 and 2020.Would like to know any country that started in last place then added 23 million new citizens requiring food water clothing healthcare housing education electricity jobs. We foolishly dance around this reality choosing instead to blame blame blame individuals, just read the atrocious comments to see this happening. SA is a harbinger of where we're headed globally. Globally 80 million net new precious humans join us every year. That's 10 New York Cities of infrastructure etc. that must be built EVERY YEAR. Today we're at 8 billion humans, another 13 years and it will be 9 billion. Yet it's the same planet that only 120 yrs ago had 1 billion humans. If we do not address this in an intelligent coordinated humane global manner all will surely be lost...

[@duduetsangcynthia2431]

The first step we should start as South Africans is to start being independent sometimes its not the government its the choices we make the SouthAfrican government is trying to eliminate corruption there are measures put in place like the Hawks and the state capture i think it time we as South Africans start appreciating the little work the government is doing its time,its time we start seeing how we can change our country for the best

[@jmac356]

It's like the bloody Tories here in Britain.

[@deonbroodryk3167]

The government does little to no work!

[@archive4059]

South Africans are so privileged compared to the rest of Africa, you should ask the question that dosnt want to be answered, why is South Africa way richer compared to the rest of Africa...

[@JamesBond-if1ho]

Nigerians, you have been independent for 62 years. Please teach us something. We've only been independent for 28 years.

[@wessexexplorer]

When you get rid of property right and have confiscation you might reduce people’s motivation to increase their economic activity- since it can be taken away by fiat. Doesn’t looting (a rather more earthy form of confiscation) show that businesses can’t cope with paying bills and surviving if their stock is taken without payment. Removing wealth by confiscation is radical - but not sure there are many examples of it resulting in a situation that anyone wants to see. Any argument that this would be a one off will only sit well with those that have the assets after the confiscation- the don’t haves will then seek another and another ‘redistribution’.

[@bogucha12]

A lot of problems impossible to solve.

[@ancientdeepsignals]

The best form of revolution is when a young person goes out there and vote for the change he wanna see.

[@Ashley-wu1ge]

The ANC are holding this country back

[@thabo3866]

The crux of the problem is Apartheid but the problem made worse by the current govt. the private sector too is without blame

[@esahm373]

27 years is long, for example West Germany rose from total ruins (after WWII) to economic super power again in just 20 years. Obviously this cannot work if the positions of power are too often held by people who lack the required capacity or integrity. Every day there is a new story about taxpayer money going down the drain in some new case of tender corruption. And the municipial managers who are supposed to oversee the infrastructure projects are usually in cahoots with the contractors who fail to perform their duties. They put the money in their pockets, but don't deliver in return, it's a popular corruption scheme. So, a lot of the money that could be used to help improve the infrastructure and living conditions actually disappears. As long as political offices are held by unqualified people who are only seeking these offices to benefit personally from tender deals (many of these office holders would not even get a job in the regular job market, due to lack of qualifications and expertise), nothing will change. The ongoing fractional battles within the ruling ANC don't help either to focus on the urgent projects. ANC decisionmakers must eventually understand that they have to put the interest of the society first (as was the case when the ANC was a liberation movement, where some members literally sacrificed their lives in order to overcome apartheid and reach a democratic dispensation). If not they will ruin the economy until there are no public funds left to loot. The most potent taxpayers are already leaving in the millions to overseas and the tax revenue is going down every month.

[@zipho]

I support the inheritance idea but the problem is giving it to the state with all the ongoing corruption

[@JS-qe9nb]

Wealth distribution is the worse Idea. If job creation won't be done nothing can uplift a society. Nothing. I learnt one thing in my life "Not every rich is corrupt and not every poor is honest". Equal education & skill training is the first step for a progressive country.