Is Nio battery swapping SUPERIOR to charging?

Is Battery Swapping better than charging? we visit a power swap station to find out. We delve deep into how the battery swap stations work, how fast they are, and if they are actually worth it?
00:00 Nio Power Swap Station
01:15 Nio ET7 Swap Test
04:40 Swap Time Test Result
05:00 Pricing, Swap Stations & is it worth it?
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[@DWREV]

Watch our video on the pros and cons of battery swapping here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaDJaa14h8prg6M

[@sharongrace9302]

I think one of the main benefits of swapping which always gets overlooked is .....RESALE VALUE.who wants to buy a 5yr old electric car.with nio you can always upgrade to the latest battery tech after buying an older car 🤟

[@waynelewis9110]

Battery swap is great in China and parts of Europe, but it will be unremarkable in the US. In the US, the name of the game will be fast chargers. Structural battery packs will become the dominant battery type here, and structural packs are not possible with battery swap. Tesla’s 1 MW+ charging tech that was unveiled a couple of days ago will enable ultra fast charging speeds for next gen BEVs. As BEV adoption increases, more and more charging stations will come online. Existing gas stations will convert their gas pumps to charging stations. Charging stations have a smaller footprint than gas pumps.

[@frankiedehockie]

@@waynelewis9110 did you understand the resale value point made? If the options are: 1- 5 Years old Telsa Model X with a 5 years old battery 2- 5 Years old ET7 with a new battery access. I guess you will choose the Telsa. Reason person like me in VA, I going with the ET7 to have access to newer battery technology.

[@waynelewis9110]

You do realize that you can get a new battery with that 5 year old Tesla Model X if you’d like, right? Service centers can make that happen. Besides, as demand for ICE vehicles continue to collapse, resale values of used BEVs will be strong for all of those that are compelling. Chevy Bolts and Nissan LEAF resale values will suck, but used Teslas, Ford Mustang Mach-E, Kia EV6 and others will have great resale values since they will be well-sought after vehicles after used ICE vehicles become almost completely undesirable. Also, ET7 isn’t really comparable to Model X.

[@jayzee316]

Also the another point is upgradeable batteries, i.e. in the future as 150kwh comes out, you can use that if you want. If I have a Tesla or Chevy or Hyundai, I am stuck with the battery I bought 3, 5, 7 years ago.

[@elic.2443]

I don't want to buy a used EV with outdated, worn out battery technology

[@Wilhelm8e]

There is a power swap station in Den Hoorn, NL near my office. So I do not charge my NIO anymore. 4 swaps a month is Ok.

[@schouten841]

For the 3rd gen swapping station it takes under 3 minutes. Instead of the old battery coming out and then getting the new one it is now done simultaneously, hence descreasing time.

[@silys5253]

2 minutes. Two!

[@LaowaiDaveJCP]

3 minutes and probably 4 irl

[@madev_channel]

around 4 mins

[@dennista42069]

Dont forget the benefits for the power grid! The PSS has a peak power usage of 550kW(less than f.E. 3x200 kW SC or more) and it charges the batteries with 40kW to 90% to ensure a longer battery lifetime. It can be used as a power storage and help to stabilize the grid ;)

[@silys5253]

And Gen3 will likely do peak shaving, virtual power plant and so on. A bunch of Gen 2 are already testing charge to grid.

[@reginald7214]

@@silys5253 good points

[@rolandsoderlund1948]

I can understand the benefits for the grid, but what are the benefits for the owner? how many batteries does it contain? Do you have to charge at a certain point anyway, due to lack of charged batteries?

[@dennista42069]

@@rolandsoderlund1948 If the battery has a problem at some point, you can simply swap to a new one. You get an inital lower price if you buy the car without the battery and if you switch your car before 6 years, you don't overpay the battery with the monthly fee. Gen3 does everything automized so you can leave the car while it will swap the battery and will park the car after the swap process. Up or downgrade your battery as you like for longer trips.

[@rolandsoderlund1948]

@@dennista42069 For sure, but as I understand you only get one swap a montg included. There is a risk thatvthe station don’t have a charged battery on my arrival. One of my first trips in a BEV was over 1050 km and 4 charges. I’m driving about 5000 km a month, only unlimited swaps would be beneficial, and a guarantee that there is a battery waiting for me. As this isn’t the case I cannot see why swapping is so great.

[@anvoong2510]

Just think about, there is no one who would want to pay $15k to $22k just to swap out the battery anytime they way, especially when a battery goes bad. Also, battery goes bad not only through usage but also due to road hazards. There is no disadvantage to the user of swap technology but countless benefits now and the future, including subsequent users of a NIO used vehicle.

[@DWREV]

We made a video about the pros and cons here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaDJaa14h8prg6M

[@iSot80]

Yeps a lot of more pros and plus than cons. When thinking this in consumer level.

[@charlesd9949]

NIO battery swaps will only get faster, quieter and will hold more batteries. Wait for the solid-state state will a large capacity these batteries at Swap Stations can charge during lower electric rates and can feed back to the grid. I absolutely love the ET5 & ET7, NIO is the future. $NIO

[@DWREV]

There are some issues when it comes to swapping which we explore here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaDJaa14h8prg6M

[@airrodgers7277]

@@DWREV there is little to no draw back of swap station... 1 buy the small battery and rent the larger battery when you need to.. 2 furure proof 3 resale value 4 easier and cheaper to deal with millions and millions of used battery that will needed to be taken care of in the future...... 5 swap station can also act as a small power station to help with grid stability during peak demand... 6 make money by reselling electricity to the grid during peak demand... 7 swap station is more scalable in dense populated city...one swap station can handle hundreds of ev ..while one super charger can only handle one ev...swap station will act like gas station and we all know gas station work every where......

[@iSot80]

@@airrodgers7277 Very well said. I do not understand why some people are against it. Perhaps because they already have Tesla in garage :) More options to charge own car and a lot of pros/plus for consumer.

[@rolandsoderlund1948]

@@iSot80 Not against it, I just questioning how many swaps that can be done before there isn't any more charged batteries?

[@iSot80]

@@rolandsoderlund1948 batteries which remain in the battery station will be charged at the mean time between the battery changes. I have understand that 3generation battery station will be also super fast if necessary to improve the charging speed if there is a "line" outside of the station.

[@sohailvlogt]

My dream car NIO et7 just love it ❤️

[@TheBandageCo]

Anybody that thinks this is a bad idea is delusional. Even though I have access to charging, I don’t have any intention of buying an electric car until I have access to a nio and battery swap. Battery swapping will be the future especially for large city’s, who wouldn’t want access to changing you battery on a long journey vs waiting for you car to charge.

[@DWREV]

Have you seen our video about the pros and cons? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaDJaa14h8prg6M

[@iSot80]

@@DWREV In NIO case all batteries are checked regularly so bad batteries will be replaced from the swap stations. The only cons with battery swap is that there should be all car brands in the same wagon. Then consumers will get 3 options to charge their cars. Home via home chargers, on street via super chargers and via battery swapping. Bad batteries could be changed fast and repair shops could change damaged cells without to unbuild the whole car. More plus/pros than cons in consumer level.

[@mrclinf85]

Unless I own my home ,I will only use the battery swap . It's cheaper than gas,why would I waste my time in the parking lot just to charge my ca?

[@obsidianstatue]

Battery swap is seriously being pushed in China, where not everyone can have a dedicated parking spot and charger, especially when EV ownership rate increases The fact that CATL is moving into modular battery swap technology, means it's a serious direction to go The CATL chocolate system is modular, so you can only swap 1/6 of the battery, which is physically detached and replaced with a fully charged module

[@nicholasyoung2794]

Hope NIO keeps it up and comes to America have my eyes on the ET5, if it works in Europe it has a chance in the US. It will take a while for Super fast charging to not be harmful to the battery.

[@relicinn2119]

Lol me too

[@nicholasyoung2794]

@@relicinn2119 It looks like NIO is planning on an ET7 and ET5 station wagons that look pretty sweet.

[@theolich4384]

I'm sure congress will go nuts in the most dramatic fashion once some "whistblower" realizes JAC, Nio's old contractor, also supply vehicles to the Chinese military.

[@nicholasyoung2794]

@@theolich4384 Hopefully, the threat of China is a more economy one, then mi!itary.

[@stevsadventures8535]

europe and us are completely different markets, success or failure in one market doesn't equate to the same fate.

[@StepOver420]

I am simply in awe with NIO. I don't know any other EV right now that are competitors. Maybe Tesla, but NIO looks like they'll be taking over very soon.

[@frodobaggins2852]

BYD .. their battery technology is the best in the world for EVs

[@Amarc89_chi]

This is a no brainer

[@ohasli38]

My brother in law had to replace his Tesla battery as if was out of the Garantie after 150000miles and over 8 years old at a cost of $18000 so he was able to sell the car.In such cases battery swapping makes sense to always have a fresh battery

[@niosanfrancisco]

NIO will be the true winner once everyone takes a moment to understand.

[@sharongrace9302]

Love nio

[@marc385]

I can’t wait till the day that I could buy one in Canada 🇨🇦

[@nicholasyoung2794]

Also if they have Valets at a NIO house that will battery swap and store car until you're ready to leave might be cool.

[@DailyBeatings]

Eventually with NIo Autonomous Driving (NAD) the car will drive itself to the battery station, swap the battery, and then drive back home.

[@iSot80]

@@DailyBeatings Yep, that is their plan in future... If that will happen, it would be so amazing :)

[@basilboris]

A very good video. Thanks for the upload.

[@vasiliskampourakis1168]

But what is the waiting time and the average queue now that infrastracture in germany isn't still well developed, also the montly fee of the battery cannont be neglected rn, i feel that this is a very promising and smart idea but the changing speed should increase rapidly otherwise you might end up waiting 20 or 30 minutes just to start charigng.

[@iSot80]

In future the Next 3rd gen (2023 Q2) swap station will do the battery change in less than 3 minutes. Battery to 10% -> 90% It does not matter do you need to swap to 75kw/100kw/150kw or 300kw...or 1000kw future tech battery. The swap time is always the same and you get always the latest battery tech to your EV car with swap if your car is old used car. For consumer level more options is better :)

[@fuelbasti]

Swapping is a quite good alternative. Might be a bit fancy but great option anyway. And keep in mind the next generation of stations will only need 2-3 minutes!

[@dukbokki9281]

Looks like Tesla is falling behind Nio

[@MGZetta]

I assume you will have 2 free swaps a month but you can pay it to be changed any time you want, right?

[@kat0197]

On Nio website CLTC est.1,000km so what that mean?? 1000km or 400km??

[@youngroyalty86]

When is nio coming to usa?! This is 🔥🔥🔥

[@miskomarkovic3446]

Thank you

[@DWREV]

Thanks for watching

[@FuzzyAason]

Besides maintaining resale value that Sharon in the comments mentioned.... Nio's car will be able to do battery swap on its own when autonomous driving is allowed. Plugging in doesn't make sense when there are more demand for it in the future.

[@whistlingdiesel]

Can I change the voice of the board computer? With all the dos and don'ts the car is more bearable with Kermit's voice. How long did you wait in front of the station?

[@nftvariants]

One way to shave off a lot of time is to make it drive-on drive-off. Like a car wash. No need to reverse.

[@dennisfahey2379]

Renault had a battery swap solution in Israel over a decade ago - "Better Place". Same logic - reduce initial sale cost of vehicle and breaks the "my battery" mentality. The other great benefit of this "Battery as a Service" model is as battery tech evolves so can the rolling stock - easily and with a BMS firmware update in the station if needed. (Perhaps batteries can ID themselves in a Plug and Play manner.) Finally if all the batteries are kept accessible then recycling - or repurposing becomes very very simple. There is a company that is repurposing worn EV battery packs (as is) as home grid power backup. This makes sense as the rapid charge and discharge nature of EV use is not applicable for the home grid market and as such the normal failure mode causing the battery to be replaced is avoided. Great solution. Be great if these packs could be made in one form factor per vehicle size. Standardization would help drive adoption.

[@nicholasyoung2794]

Maybe they should have a place to sit and get fast vending service while you wait. Not good to leave car and come back late if there is a Q.

[@iSot80]

Maybe they could starting to sell snacks and burgers via Cokes on these Swap stations :)

[@Afg904]

NIO ❤

[@JeroenErven]

Battery swapping will only be superior to charging if the swapping station is around the corner. If you have to drive several km to get to the station it’ll cost you time and range. In this case homecharging will be superior to swapping. But there really is huge benefits in swapping if you are on the roads all the time for work. But again, only if there’s enough swapping station which is not the case at this point. Here in the Netherlands there’s only 11 available in the whole country, that simply is not enough.

[@user-ww7gu4ci5h]

No one mentioned supercharger gonna damage batteries?

[@RuLeZ1988]

06 minutes 20 seconds plus the time you have to wait in the queue. It will be interesting how you can expand the capacity with relative little space to use. Definitely better than conventional battery charging, but only as long until conventional charging speeds up. Also it will be interesting, how big the capacity of one station is in one day. How many cars can be swapped with a new battery, until the input of each car is to high for the station to keep up charging the batteries?

[@charbax]

This can be done in 1 minute, if/when properly optimized. And no queue should be if you just predict arrival of each car that needs a swap through the app.

[@RM-sd5yw]

3rd gen battery swap can do it less than 2 mins

[@silys5253]

And likely virtual power plant

[@LaowaiDaveJCP]

5:39 60% because batteries are stored at 90% charge for better health.

[@six16th]

What if the lines are really long?

[@charbax]

Just add a second battery swap station, or make the swaps much faster through optimizing, could be 1 minute per swap.

[@FourOneSicks]

Why’d u start the clock before you even entered the charge station lol

[@americannumber2]

car business and battery business finally can be seperated

[@writetopardeep]

🤘🏻NIO

[@luciusael]

Umm...at those prices, why don't I just get a Prius and have access to the entirety of gas stations? It will not be very different in price

[@EchoedTears]

Cuz a prius will never feel and drive like a nio😂 those things drive like a magic piece of cloth like from aladin. Those thibgs feel weightless driving them. Ive driven a couple and im also a nio mechanic in the netherlands. I was one of the firdt group sent to germany for the training last year

[@dmitryp8617]

BMW OOOO VF Porshe Tesla wit eAuto are just " *yesterday* " copmpare to NIO

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

That's comparable to getting gas😱 It's also a forever car!!!😶‍🌫️

[@petermichalowski]

Still you need to calculate with the time to get back and forth to these swap stations. It needs a network of swap stations witch is quite costly. Love the idea though but will you have an easy and close access to them is the question here.

[@reginald7214]

You can just plug these in at any charging station including at home if there is not a swap by you. 88% of nio owners in china now live within 3km of a swap station.

[@airrodgers7277]

Same with charge station lol you have to get back and forth plus you have to wait 30+ min there…that alot of wasred time.

[@petermichalowski]

@@airrodgers7277 Super chargers are quite easy to find near where you live these days. At least here. But I still find it more annoying to drive away too far. But that's me and my experience from using a MB E-Class NGT around 2010.

[@petermichalowski]

@@reginald7214 Well that's my point that you need a network of swap stations. Signing up for BaaS and then also charge at home is quite pricey.

[@DWREV]

Do you think Europe will have the same amount of swap stations ?

[@m.b5777]

So you pay a monthly subscription for thr batteries too. Wow. I knew there was a catch. Right now car makers are losing massive amounts of money which means they will charge more for this in the future. When electric cars came out a few years ago, there were free charging stations everywhere. Now most are not free. You have to pay sometimes more than gasoline

[@charbax]

You get a €10-15-20'000 discount on the upfront price of the car. Since you don't need to pay for the battery. I think cheaper lower range batteries can be €50 per month, while highest range newest battery tech might be €150 per month. Consider if you go on a road trip perhaps you can just rent the highest range battery only for those few days you need longest range, then swap back to your cheap battery range when you're back to your regular short daily range needs at home.

[@louml6233]

Nio has horns

[@peterklausner9727]

159kwh Semi solid state battery pack with 1k kms of range is coming in Q1 '23. Not in 2024!

[@FourOneSicks]

NIO🎉

[@relicinn2119]

Can i just buy nomi I think maybe I can afford her at least 😅

[@reginald7214]

😆 🤣

[@OhmUdomvanich]

I want Nomi too.

[@DWREV]

Attach her to your bicycle 😉

[@rothsshvili5125]

Monsieur Anderson vs Nio

[@MarkoSutic-gc3hs]

beutiful cars, this is the future. who wants to wait overnight or 6-7 hours to have access to his car again

[@FranciscoHernandez-cu2zu]

What if you planing to camp and there to charging or battery swaps, and there no WiFi to call for help. What about solar or legs power recharger to charge a battery for 3 day😂😂😂

[@Maverick-xz5oi]

I'm not bullish about swappable batteries since it will become a design liability in the future. The feature will essentially box the same design 5 - 10 years later, since every nio car from now on will need to incorporate swappable batteries regardless of future battery innovation or car design innovations. There is a reason why Samsung Galaxies stopped having swappable batteries.

[@lukecheuk]

Wrong. The only standardization is dimensions. Already, higher ranges and even new battery chemistry like LFP is beginning to be introduced to improve performance of the car without need for expensive modification, if anything, instead of hindering innovation, it's the very opposite of what you say! It's augmenting it!

[@tommwangi4302]

Gotta love the Chinese. What can we do without them?

[@internationalbreakfastclub3812]

NIO is the most convinient. I dont know how they are evan able to sell cars that charge overnight or several hours? that is ridicules like you are waiting for comunity bus by the schedule...idea of owning a car is to be autonomus at any goven moment and NIO is the only EV that can perform that. this company is the future!

[@rkan2]

I wonder how it works in the winter hehe

[@rabiressetaoui9802]

Nio c’est l’avenir.

[@nbgoodiscore1303]

So instead of paying for one battery, I'll be paying for two? NO, THANK YOU.

[@DWREV]

Nio offers "Battery as a Service" in some markets. You buy the car without the battery, and you pay a monthly fee for battery swapping.

[@dgaz3057]

How about throwing in a car wash?

[@theolich4384]

The high pitched voice of English Nomi is annoying. Hope they could come up with some variations.

[@ORWELL_USA]

it's KILL-O-MEETERS, NOT KIL-AHM-UH-TERS

[@NIO4LIFE]

Nio battery swapping is cool but don't forget the presentation where elon musk demonstrated battery swapping in just 90 seconds.

[@DWREV]

Have you watched our video about Battery swapping and Tesla? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaDJaa14h8prg6M

[@gregorywilson2124]

Meanwhile the car industry in Germany is doomed because of cheap Chinese cars that will flood the market. This batter swap is not practical on a large scale.

[@RosenIvanovPetkov]

No it is not!

[@nunyabidness5789]

How much did Nio pay you for this advertisement?

[@silys5253]

lol. NIO is currently expanding into Europe. NIO has 8 swap station in operation or so with many more being built as we speak. All motoring journalists are talking NIO right now. The ET7 just won the prestigious Golden Steering Wheel in Germany. NIO doesnt need to pay anyone anything to get coverage.

[@DWREV]

We like to cover all EV news, Nio is big news and is challenging the legacy brands, it’s an exciting period!

[@copa8]

How much were you paid to post this comment? 🤔

[@nunyabidness5789]

@copa8 Not a dime Also lol at seething this hard over a six month old youtube comment

[@birdyashiro1226]

DW别来沾边🤢🤮♿︎

[@DWREV]

You think it’s a bad idea?

[@theolich4384]

​@@DWREV DW's news and documentaries have a meh reputation in China as they have a reputation of being well, a bit biased. The poster didn't know DW Rev is different!

[@kutter_ttl6786]

Someone from China complaining about biased reporting, funniest thing I've seen today.

[@rededwards3479]

What do you think about NIO holding a LOTTERY or RAFFLE to move cars at FULL PRICE. NIO has 120 NIO houses across the globe. ..go to a NIO house and buy a NIO $2.50 COFFEE or DRINK and automatically get entered into a RAFFLE to win a NIO. Lets say a NIO ET5 cost $50,000 that means NIO would only need to sell 166 COFFEES or DRINKS per NIO house to equal that price. Imagine the excitement(youtube videos, facebook post, instagram, local TV news report) about the WINNER. There would be lines around NIO houses with people wanting to buy a NIO Drink....NIO could move 10 cars a day at FULL COST no discounting.. PLUS NIO would get all their money upfront...NO PAYMENT Plan..People would be TREATING their friends to a ROUND of NIO Drinks just to increase their chances. What are your thoughts