DYNO TEST: HOW MUCH POWER DOES WATER-METHANOL INJECTION WITH A CUSTOM TUNE REALLY ADD?! (BMW F80 M3)

[@omnomnomnomnomnomnom]

For the curious: 486 hp before | 565 hp after

[@Jaskirat15]

Thankx for saving my time

[@WASTED__POTENTIAL]

...and 499ft/lbs before | 630ft/lbs after

[@hoomee7605]

Thanks. Really they shud make two videos.. a short one straight to the point and a long one for those with no jobs etc and have lots of time to sit watch lenghty videos.

[@liquidh6344]

Can the transmission really take that much torque? And for how long?

[@UnTamedMustang]

It was tuned. Methanol increases octane. Octane is the resistance to detonation. It's all in the tune , not the methyl.

[@micraw714]

I still remember watching your old video on changing oil in an F30 🙂 you've come a long way and killin it bud!

[@manperformance9253]

Fast too

[@adamcool9318]

You should be showing max boost pressures on all runs. Extra power could simple be added boost

[@TommyLGarage]

That is INSANE!!! I may have to do the same.... I wish this was my car haha BTw this was one of the best recent videos. Loved it!!!!

[@aaaaaaxaaaaaa]

Also tommy "the m4 doesn't need anymore power than stock" 🙃

[@malloymotorsports780]

it's amazing what timing can do to an engine. I was able to put down 860whp in my F150. 93 and 100 methanol. ( twin M15 nozzles)

[@MauricioBarragan]

Just bought a 2016 328i yesterday! Keep them DIY vids coming bro! They pushed me over the edge and I just had to buy one!

[@fernandog4009]

How hard was the install? I’m going to purchase one for my 328d, gonna do a before and after dyno as well. Also are u using boost juice, or something else for a mixture?

[@Xtreme4Life]

Would LOVE to see an install video for this.

[@atarvhegde5210]

Same here!!

[@lburey]

Love your videos and wish you were local as you seem like a stand up guy, continue with the good content for the channel and good luck with future work

[@1MLE1]

Glad to see the first video for my morning

[@ichoozjc]

How much more boost were you able to run? That's the big question. Video kind of gives the impression that a meth kit will net huge gains. But if your turbo is already almost maxed you will only see smaller gains from being able to run a little more timing and the cooling effect.

[@jaybones614]

They really should include the logs lol

[@powerfury1]

I have searched high and low on the internet thank you for showing what type of fuel to use.

[@apuuvah]

Water-methanol injection mostly adds steam pressure (water) and a small amount of fuel (methanol) all the while allowing more boost on regular gas as the steam cools EGTs and prevents knocking.

[@lburey]

I would have liked to see you do a dyno with just the boost juice added without the tune to see what, if any gains from boost juice alone.

[@aaronbearchi]

Same, this isn't really apples to apples, but I'm also not really sure that's even possible. But people make huge gains just going custom from OTS.

[@MihaiRece]

Without a tune you won't see any gains in terms of power because the ECU will vary the boost pressure to target the same load/torque, so lower amount of boost is needed to make the same power because of the denser air.

[@MBTVEXTRA]

@@MihaiRece I disagree , I ran ots mhd stage 2 + tune on my FBO n55 435i 93 oct then added AEM kit and then adding boost juice and changing from 93oct to 95 oct for a little more timing adjustment and that car probably gained 30whp . Even wedge tuning told me after seeing my logs that my setup wouldn’t gain more than 20whp on a custom tune . That car is dialed in perfectly that way

[@Max-nk6oc]

without a tune, it will cool your charge but it displaces air and will likely decrease power by itself

[@bujarsaliu3731]

@@MBTVEXTRA you still tweaked the tune 95 oct vs 93 oct big difference also more timing so as Mihai said without a tune just water meth alone will do nothing power wise

[@uncleben4536]

Awesome video and content. I love all the f80 m3/m4 content. Keep up the good work guys.

[@bmfairweather]

This is like HGTV of tuning. Where are the air fuel ratios??? And is that tune static if so you’ll have to make sure you have the meth blend at all times

[@rashad3286]

can you do an install video as well as go over what are the possible negative things that can happen with the meth injection

[@dsea1346]

Great info, as my friend and I are about to do the same thing on the F82's with Paul in the near future.

[@davis7323]

how long does 3 gallons of the juice last? how many pulls? or months on average? and how much does the juice cost?

[@chir0pter]

Water methanol is cheaper than premium - you can buy a 55 gallon drum of 50% methanol windshield fluid for $200

[@cremephoto]

I’m too lazy to remember if you mentioned it, crank hub done? If so 4-pin?

[@r.bianco]

I’ve seen 600hp on e85 no meth on stock turbos. Just intakes, heat exchanger and down pipes, and inlet pipes. Shouldn’t this make more power with upgraded turbos?

[@faxxzc]

e85 is basically 85% ethanol which alone gives you loads of cooling. adding wmi to an e85 vehicle doesn´t give you as many gains as on pump gas

[@dwaynemaxima]

My 2015 f80 M3 mineral Gray sakhir orange interior completely stock accept A P front mount intake with VF engineering hex tune stage 1 put down 509 whp & 550 wtq.

[@Just1MoreMod]

Amazing video to watch! Kies did a knockout job on my car. Can vouch with using Meth with a custom tuner makes the s55 a monster with minimal power plateau on Pures 😎

[@philliesphn15]

F80Paul the GOAT

[@KINZERS13GTR]

That's Awesome.... what happens if it runs dry in the middle of a push ? If you've run empty and can't get a bottle to refill for some stupid reason, I assume you have to remember to keep the car out of the range that's tuned for the methanol?

[@hanifmckagan4448]

yeah, youre totally right. the same with having to deal with lower quality fuel, you have to be timid about it

[@beardedforlife3740]

The W/M injection system they are using is switchable. Meaning you can turn it on and off. Also most tuning devices allow for multiple tunes to be saved so you can have one with and one without

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Hopefully the tune is programmed to lower the power when knock happens, it depends on how good the tuner and ECU is. My non BMW car fills in more fuel in multiple steps to cool the engine. If that does not help the ignition is adjusted in multiple steps. If that also fails the boost is lowered in multiple steps. This was possible on a stock ECU 25 years ago, so if the tuner does not take advantage of those settings it is pure laziness or recklessness.

[@dgpgarage9291]

How much boost and timing did he add over the first pull?

[@victors1900]

Finally someone makes a video like this ... very informative and just great ! Thank you so much brother .

[@BMWHOBO]

Great video. I am planning on doing the snow performance stage 4 kit on my car next year when I install pure600 turbos.

[@sircefiro]

Be good to know what the boost & timing was doing, not sure whether those turbos are close to max but the custom tune first & then the wmi would've been good

[@pennybridgefreeriders]

Dont 487 whp seems way low for stage 2 hybrids? Would have liked a IAT diff with/wout meth!

[@AtticAZ]

I know this is 10 months ago. But there is an off setting. No need to change your initial spray setting. Also, so the car is tuned for water/meth vs just for cooling?

[@tmack79]

Lmaoooo Brian your excited and can’t believe it voice is hilarious 😂

[@TheNinjaSpartin]

Should really have done OTS map vs Custom map then Custom vs Custom and Meth. In theory the meth could be doing nothing and its all in the custom tune (I doubt it is) but you can't be certain when changing multiple things at once.

[@dm53]

I agree, I would have also liked to see a run of just the meth without any change in tuning.

[@lapin46]

Methanol/water without a tune reduces power as it delays initial flame development and flame front speed. It needs additional ignition advance before any gains are attainable.

[@Dimitron20]

Where can I get that triple gage pod?! Thats awesome!

[@mushy1983123]

Would water methanol injection add more power if your running full e85?

[@exoprasta]

Cant tell if the increase is due to the custom map or the WMI. What’s the difference between WMI turned on and off with the same custom map

[@TheOverclock]

I love the way they tuned it and you sended them the logs and everything 👌💪 now that is some really great service! Only problem is i have an Audi and not a BMW 🤦 so don't know if it is still possible to do something like this?

[@dwashingtonkites]

Paul's the man

[@reviewboss97]

Is it just me or did this car not make much power being on pure stage 2 turbos? I made 575hp and 571trq on stock turbos on E85 with F80Paul as well

[@f80motorsports50]

I’m sure you made that on stock turbos and you can even push them a little more, but at what PSI? The HF can do it in a much more efficient manner.

[@carmello000jp]

I made 502hp 602tq to the ground on mike Botti base flex fuel map on stock turbo.. no pure or meth. Just tune MST intake down pipe flex fuel kit and E-50

[@24HourRealtySanDiego]

I thought the same. Seemed low for an S55 PS2 w meth. I wasn’t expecting to see anything in the 400’s

[@reviewboss97]

@@f80motorsports50 22psi

[@BoostTechTV]

Who is the owner? I am curious why they chosen Paul Johnson vs Carey Jordan?

[@rsinc1649]

Agreed.

[@nmarty1122]

I’ve had custom e85 tunes from both Carey and Paul and they’re knots identical. Both great tuners.

[@atarvhegde5210]

Could you guys make a video on how to replace rod bearings on S85 or S65 engines?

[@davisweston1089]

Just found your channel, subscribing you seem like a solid dude

[@DamianSpeck]

What were the iat before and after? I think that is a major draw for using WMi (even just distilled water).

[@chrisgarret3285]

I'm on a full bolts on MHD stage 2 plus, xHP stage 3 on a 2015 335i. About to pull a trigger on a meth kit (via my VRSF charge pipe connection) and am wondering about the right tuner for my MHD platform. Are you guys recommending any specific people? Anyone I should keep away from? Thanks.

[@Ingmar72]

The peak power and torque isn't important., but the shape of the curves are. They should be as smooth as possible and the useable power and torque range should be as broad as possible. Sometimes it's adviseable to reduce peak horse power or torque to achieve that.

[@rydog920]

I'm doing pure stage 2 + turbos on my m4 with bootmod3

[@ihsankoc5165]

No....get a proper tuner like F80Paul

[@nightshifter2601]

Nice video however I have a question. Can we run WM on stock map? If yes why? If no why?

[@lukedennehy6540]

Hi quick question ,just got my aem kit does the rear of your nozzle bit that connects to nylon hose have any play in it ,mine seems to spin slightly ...thanks

[@omunoz9485]

New to tuning, so when making a pull in “Mexico” and I start in 3rd gear. Should I redline it in 3rd gear or take it all the way through and redline it?

[@kidsstudynow6901]

I have a f30.....how much would you charge me to lower it ....and convert the front bumper to a msport bumper.......I like your perfection and expertise you show when working on bmws.

[@kaanisci1038]

Great video as always. Little tip maybe, put the numbers on screen

[@unignostik]

Yessss

[@drivenbycat]

Your videos cost me lots of money :-) Superb. Based in Scotland otherwise I’d happily buy from you. Great videos 👏

[@BlueRSX]

aw man! Missed opportunity to add light saber sound effect, lol

[@philllegend9901]

Aren’t those numbers kind of low considering aftermarket turbos ? You can achieve 575-600whp on stock turbos with meth and E85

[@G_Whip_Media]

you can achieve 600hp At the crank not at the wheels.

[@ajmanmc]

@@G_Whip_Media so affectively you are saying that the car in the viseo is running roughly 680bhp at the crank right as you lose power by the time it reaches the wheels but even then isnt that low? For such mods.

[@3brainzs]

Wow !

[@DorksandBolts]

This really makes me wonder if we should do something like this.... we are following this M3 closely.

[@carolebaskins1302]

E85 or 93?

[@damians8498]

I want to get the 2.5 kit for my m850, just to have as a cautionary device, to provide longevity. Can this kit be added without custom tuning?

[@miscellaneousguy3803]

just tested boost juice with hydrometer yesterday. its not 50/50, comes out just over 33% methanol. adding a yellow heet bottle bumps it to 37%

[@faxxzc]

what? i thought they advertised as 51/49. did you use an ethanol hydrometer by chance? that would put off the readings as methanol has a different density

[@isanmoldonado4587]

@@faxxzc bruh so who’s right 😅 ima refund my juice rn

[@cherokee3850]

@@isanmoldonado4587 what you said

[@Jbpgarage]

Hay Bryan, what octane gas are you running during the dyno?

[@unlimitedbusiness3716]

Can someone share a link to the installation video. Thank you.

[@huanweili7699]

I like the lighting. Where can I get one like that?

[@blendtecbrah5761]

How are you only getting 486 HP with Pure turbos?

[@samuelgrossman1205]

Great video Bryan !!!!🚀🚀

[@juancarlosgonzalezrivera3943]

Where can I buy the complete Snow Performance kit please?

[@f80corey]

DAMN time to get my crank hub done lol

[@TheBlissPhuket]

did you tuned up as well or only water/meth? what system was that?

[@AmRFuKYaH]

did you leave the injection at 12 and 15 PSI also what was the max boost of the car?

[@peterpeng4]

Did he replace the crank hub before all the mods?

[@mattrushbrook1672]

There's a setting to turn it off on the gauge. Why go 40/ 40 when you can turn it off

[@zachpowell9087]

How safe is this to run and how much would it cost? Is there anyway to find out what my engine max power rating is and transmission?

[@teamtato08]

13:46 nice numbers!!!

[@evanmuratore1818]

hey man, great video!! I'm looking to go this route with my m2 however I was wondering what ur opinion was on getting bm3 or having a custom tuner take my care and directly code and tune thru the DME? @kies motorsport

[@ismael4596]

Amazing videos keep it up 👏 , is it okay to put methanol kit on a stock turbo ? 🌷

[@robertrozin]

Would love to see a meth kit on an f30/f32 !

[@robertlawson1184]

Do direct injection at the manifold, otherwise buy a new engine soon. 😊

[@scottyp1968]

I don’t understand how it was decided to start spraying at 12 lbs and going full at 15 lbs. I guess if the system is just used for fueling and not cooling?

[@ricepony33]

The nozzle size has an effect. Basically the car can stumble if it gets too much too soon, it’s liquid. Water/meth tends to works best when it has a phase change due to heat, higher boost equals more heat.

[@drewleon6217]

😮👍👍 INCREDIBLE!!!

[@Noyoniz]

Any coupon code?

[@ronkirkham3410]

Great videos by the way, I'm subscribed

[@nickzombie3]

Any recommendations for tuners for N20's?

[@jesusxandres]

save your money, just do ots tune bm3

[@nickzombie3]

@@jesusxandres sorry should have clarified. Tuners for custom tune. Currently running ots stg. 2 93 oct but am adding WMI

[@tompeterson3210]

“Needs wider tires” indeed! Maybe drag radials.

[@DjNikGnashers]

No way, it would ruin what the M3 is all about, and that's cornering.

[@DiscoWalrus]

@@DjNikGnashers He can get away with R888Rs. I think this is over 600whp on a dynojet. Any more power and he would need slicks if he's going to mexico instead of a road prepped track. The m4 would just turn into a straight line car...

[@descent8275]

Dang! I want to See What it does on the tiny little 3 banger yaris!

[@WASTED__POTENTIAL]

Mexico is my preferred dyno as well. It's way cheaper there.

[@dave5833]

OK what happens if you tune for Meth and run out? What does it do to my LS3 ? Thanks Dave

[@npharkes]

The meth controller is most likely set up to cut boost control ground

[@turnerkevin3]

Great video mate 😎😎

[@miggeer8007]

I HAVE A 2018 M2 WITH A METHANOL SYSTEM, WHICH YOU RECOMMEND VP M5 M1 OR THE ONE YOU SHOW IN THE VIDEO.

[@BlytheLifeRacing]

M1 is pure methanal, M5 has lubricant added. Run M1.

[@ze_german2921]

I would imagine this would prevent the direct injection engine to ever gunk up?

[@davejames2015]

Hmm wonder what intake temperature difference was

[@tylervuong8592]

No downpipe?

[@xcashinx7370]

How long should 3 gal of boost juice last you ?

[@STAyTHIrstyMyFREind]

Depends on how often you hit your meth injection points. To give you an idea, took me about 2 months to go through the 3 gal stealth tank in this vid. I’d say i went on a spirited drive everyday of that two months. My injection points are 10psi (start) and 15psi (full injection).

[@dion_the_entrepreneur]

What wheel/tire setup is this😍?

[@ImEasyAs]

Can someone please explain to me what "stage 2" turbo's are?

[@mattp9733]

does it cost extra to request custom tune through bm3?

[@kingkage7km]

Yes

[@smackin]

Great video!

[@r.bianco]

Do you ever use e85?

[@mab4870]

Would love if you guys could be in Canada to tune my Audi

[@andrewnfalco]

So I can put this on an F30 with stock turbo and custom tune, yeah?

[@victorradu3986]

Why dose the first run the dyno sheet show 102 mph and the last one only like 95 mph?

[@theamirecas6360]

What will happen if we just run the WM kit without tuning on stock ECU?

[@andrewnfalco]

It probably won't inject, or won't inject properly and could ruin the system.

[@BlytheLifeRacing]

Depending on the nozzle size it will do next to nothing or worst case run a few 10ths richer AFR

[@kendoug5722]

How often do you fill the boost juice?

[@Yorku_testuje]

every 2-3 rides depending on size of tank, mine has 3L, wish could be bigger but I can live with that. Basically every time I am putting fuel I am adding WMI juice too in 60/40 water proportion. Mine M2 N55 2017 does 586hp