Why I Don't Talk About Dark Magician Anymore

[@Tomas81623]

You have to draw very specific cards, in a very specific order, at a very specific moment. This archetipe was made for yugi.

[@RanbuMotion]

This is accurate.

[@eugenewilson4425]

I had an undefeated dark magician deck. It's beast

[@daveduncan5315]

this is accurate, although when it works it works real good (most meta decks are still better due to consistency)

[@yura__tG]

That's why destiny draw is a skill in duel links

[@yura__tG]

Maybe

[@JJMomoida]

No, dzeeff, it is you who does not understand. You see, he's the *ultimate* wizard in terms of attack and defense.

[@Unknown-xr1iz]

Cough cough neo the magical swordsman has 100+ attack for one less tribute

[@Dourost]

lol

[@gimmecat6251]

@Omar Valentini But he has less defense, Dark Magician is the ultimate wizard in terms of attack _and_ defense

[@DanielFlores-fo1ee]

@@gimmecat6251 Aha!!!

[@TheNewblade1]

Cosmo queen

[@Blackicebanki]

Red-eyes Fanbase be like, we used to it

[@platypusfox73]

So true.

[@Blackicebanki]

we will always have our ftk burn though.... but Red-Eyes Darkness Metal is banned ocg so its not looking so good lol

[@MrLionniol]

Structure deck is coking.

[@cuttlefish6839]

@@Blackicebanki it's cause ocg sucks at banlists

[@OnlyARide]

Red-Eyes just needs protection...and a better fusion spell...and more busted vanilla support...and better topdeck cards...and a way to play through negation...but WHEN (not if) all that happens? We in there Lmao jk it'll never happen, instead we got Alternative which has almost no synergy and solves none of the deck's problems. But more busted vanilla support might be realistic, at least

[@blackthunder669]

Commenters don't understand why Dzeef doesn't talk about Dark Magician anymore

[@goldexpiriencerequiem3694]

Why nobody plays commenters who don’t understand why Dzeef doesn’t talk about dark magician anymore

[@DashOfInsanity]

I was wrong about not wanting to talk about Dark Magician

[@shiennohajime1495]

This meme is getting annoying. It must be the 100th time this joke has been made. We got it. Scrubs gonna hate as long as they won't hear what they want to hear (telling this because I don't want to appear as a Dark Magician fanatic, who got mad because of your comment), but, JESUS, I can't be the only person who has gotten sick of the same copypasta comment who always get on the top. Don't misconstrue me, I hate the "not a x channel" meme just as much. EDIT: some minor fixes

[@DashOfInsanity]

Reasons why commenters dont understand 'Commenters dont understand' meme.

[@shiennohajime1495]

@@DashOfInsanity you got a nice presumption. But I can't be the only one.

[@infirmatube1556]

The reason why Blue-Eyes decks are so much better than any Dark Magician builds is because it benefits from so many generics Dragon support cards that aren't nessacarily Blue-Eyes cards. Return of the Dragon Lords, Dragon Shrine, Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, Guardragons, etc. Where with Dark Magician there's not that many good generic spellcaster cards that work with the Dark Magician deck forcing you to mostly play cards that list ''Dark Magician'' in their text. The fact that Eye of Timaeus isn't searchable is a prime example of why the deck doesn't fully work.

[@just_a_tepig3611]

Geez maybe you should start a yugioh channel cause that's a good commentary on the decks

[@DerVasto]

It being a vanilla level 7 doesn´t make it easier for generic Spellcasters.

[@infirmatube1556]

@@DerVasto Right? Also since Blue-Eyes is Level 8 that gives it so much more advantage with cards like Trade-In, the Level 8 Danger! monsters, Rank 8 XYZs, and Level 9 Synchros.

[@DerVasto]

@@infirmatube1556 Especially rank 8-Xyz are just not available to them. I feel 7 is probably the worst level a tribute monster could be in this game, and if you don´t bring something with you, well, ...it´s not worth the cost without really heavy support. Red-Eyes also struggles, which would not be the case if every Red-Eyes card was level 8-centric. Trade-In in Red-Eyes sounds heavenly.

[@grenadeout562]

@@DerVasto ikr

[@msemveepee]

First Rule of Yugioh Club: Don't talk about Dark Magician

[@xolotltolox7626]

Then what are YGO's Rules 34 & 63

[@Root4BeerFloats]

Second Rule of Yugioh Club: Do *not* talk about Dark Magician.

[@NexatBlackflame]

@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 then you're entering fan service realm.

[@NexatBlackflame]

It's ironic that it's the freaking game's flagship monster. Lol!

[@andreware2039]

Or blue eyes white dragon.

[@GrandHarrier]

I was just asking myself a few days ago, "Why doesn't dzeeff talk about Dark Magician anymore?" and then the third finger on the monkey paw closed and this video appeared shortly thereafter.

[@e-tan3911]

But nothing bad happened to you...

[@DawnofRoxas101]

Not yet

[@shaynehughes2242]

@@e-tan3911 the wish was that he talked about DM, the negative is that he talked bad about the deck.

[@e-tan3911]

@@shaynehughes2242 ahh, i see...

[@thedootlord]

I think I saw this play

[@echeverry1987]

What you fail to realize. Dark Magician deck works if you believe in heart of the cards and if you cheat.

[@panterelmateracker2887]

That last part caught me off guard

[@Isaygoodday5]

Not "cheat", you just have to confidently make up your own rules

[@patrikmiles9342]

Not cheat just use Egyptian magic to materialize cards on top of the deck it's very different

[@davidfortin2819]

Thats why kiba is beter

[@Wbshadowgames]

Yessa 😊🤣

[@PunishedPrince]

People who play Dark Magician decks are truly the protagonist of their own lives. Much love and respect to all you beautiful people out there

[@ComteOlche]

Even if a play DM Mystic Mind ? :'3 ? I ve made a pact with devil but that was for the greater good of the ultimate wizard in terms of atk and def *^*

[@RavenXRW]

Awwww youuuu

[@awesometjgreen]

Thank you 😊

[@matheusmmariz]

What a lovely comment. You sir just made my day. Thank you.

[@shadowkhiz7455]

@Chaos Ah I see you are a man of -self hate- culture as well

[@THEN00BINATORX3]

My favorite pack opening channel just uploaded a video roasting another favorite monster. Ah shit here we go again

[@kyle9140]

Dug inst a pack opening channel also everybody talks shit about dark magician even my mate at locals who plays dark magician religiously

[@kingdoody34]

And himself at the beginning

[@m7in]

it feels like Konami is too afraid to make dark magician good, maybe because they don't want that people hate the deck, still it is kinda lame compared to the crazy cards we have out here.

[@DerVasto]

I think it´s more like Konami doesn´t really like Dark Magician, but since it´s the first ever protagonist´s ace monster, they ought to print support. Maybe they just want to let it become forgotten, kinda. They could have easily made Endymion support DM, and change DM´s focus towards spell counters, like Red-Eyes did with equips. But they didn´t, and I think that´s because of that.

[@shimsokshim2995]

"...just to special summon a guy." 10/10

[@ChaosFS]

Step 1 of how to "fix" Dark Magician decks: Make Eye of Timaeus searchable by Circle/Rod/Inheritance/etc.

[@shimsokshim2995]

Also, turn all the traps into spells.

[@bradynbrunson6038]

Also fix eternal soul so it doesn't wipe your field when destroyed

[@NightClubSamurai]

@@bradynbrunson6038 or give it some sort of protection against the first effect that would destroy/banish it

[@williamcronshaw5262]

Step 2: Print Dark Alternative Magician.

[@RafaelSouza-oo2uq]

1-Eye of Timaeus searchable. 2-Rod effect on special summons too. 3-New fucking supports for the extra zone. For the love of God, DM has no extra monster zone. Only this and DM will be so much better.

[@milesdeepe]

Alternate title: "Why nobody has made 'why nobody plays Dark Magician'"

[@A88mph]

If Dark Magician wasn't Yugi's ace monster, DARK Spellcaster decks would have been using "Cosmo Queen" instead.

[@nickhall7995]

Does Cosmo queen have the support that Dark Magician has?

[@A88mph]

@@nickhall7995 No, but what I mean by that is that, back in the early days of Yugioh, players who wanted to play Decks using a strategy revolving around the DARK attribute and/or Spellcaster Type had two option for their LV 7+ Monsters: Dark Magician (with his 2500 ATK and 2100 DEF) and Cosmo Queen (With her 2900 ATK and 2450 DEF). Since the dawn of the game relied heavily on having cards with higher ATK, and Dark Magician and Cosmo Queen have the exact same Attribute and Type, both being Normal Monsters, both needed two tributes, and Levels didn't really have importance outside of Tribute Summoning at the time. Cosmo Queen would be the more logical choice to use in a deck over Dark Magician due to her having both her ATK and DEF higher then Dark Magician's. However, since Yugi was the protagonist, and Dark Magician was his Ace card, the show (and naturally, Konami) gave him the support needed to have the full archetype he has today.

[@blackwaltz463]

@@A88mph bullshit, Dark Magician is the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense.

[@MikkelBrahmsson]

Also until it was reprinted Cosmo Queen was only available in the first round of the Yugioh cards in the McDonald's happy meal in what 2003? Not many people had access to it. Back in that era of the game it was the more viable option. Same Type and Attribute, but more importantly required the same amount of tributes for a better pay out. Cosmo Queen and Yami was enough to beat Blue Eyes back then, DM had to have Yami and a equip ( or just an equip if you had Horn of the Unicorn or Malevolent Nuzzler). But thats neither here nor there.

[@alexanderparillo6446]

@@blackwaltz463 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@thebrandonrobert5693]

In my honest opinion, Dark Magician needs not only a better extra deck but also better circulation. I’ve found that Blue Eyes decks-as you said-make good use of Blue eyes. Dark magician seems to demand so much just to get DM himself in the field. He should be easier to summon.

[@e-tan3911]

And a way to search eye of temius

[@lordradiance2530]

Its really easy to get DM on field

[@e-tan3911]

@@lordradiance2530 not easy or reliable enough compared to most decks

[@lordradiance2530]

E- tan what do you want some neos connector than special summons DM from the deck cause no, thats dumb.

[@0Kyron0]

magicalize fusion, keeper of dragonic magic etc. thats all your dark cavalry/dark mag dragon knight and quintet magicians out + search for them

[@josey6231]

Dark _Magician_ , the ultimate _Wizard_ who is also a _Spellcaster_ and with age.. will become a _Sage_

[@mikkmackles5509]

i played dark magician when i came back to yugioh around a year ago. this video does a great job explaining dank magicians flaws. its a shame the first protags ace card and its deck is so low tier. blue eyes got its time to shine, how about dark magician? im going to write a strongly worded letter to konami.

[@matheusmmariz]

I couldn't agree more with you, my friend. Dark Magician is one of the most iconic monsters of the entire history of yu-gi-oh and Konami continues refusing to make this arquetype be at least a viable rogue deck choice. That's lame and upsets me every single time I think about it.

[@santiagofuntes3233]

@@matheusmmariz yes

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

Dark Magician sadly has way too many moving parts. It should be a control deck based around spells, and it sort of, kind of, pulls this off. The issue is, is that all of its support is just straight weaker than Blue Eyes and Red Eyes for...no reason. I could live with the extra costs to the spells if they had more power than a similar spell but most of the times its either the same or just weaker. Take Dark Magic Curtain, its worse than Magician's Veil in pretty much every way except its searchable, and that is the singular reason why people use it. I still use Veil as it lets me summon other stuff when necessary. Another one is Magician of Dark Illusion. Why doesn't it count as Dark Magician in the GY too? Konami knew that that was a good thing because Dragon Spirit of White was great and that was one of the reasons. All in all Dark Magician has been shafted...just cuz. And its sad because it would be a lot of fun to play.

[@ebox147]

I still enjoy playing dar magician, and i can only imagine how awesome it would be unnerfed

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@ebox147 Same here, it's just such a shame that its been nerfed so needlessly. Eternal Soul could have saved it if it wasn't for that one stupid, stupid line

[@penmustache283]

Yeah i dont know why they gave so many of the cards restrictions and drawbacks.

[@raikaru0]

Dark Magician Support is way better than Red Eyes support lmfao

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@raikaru0 Actually...its not. Red Eyes was actually in the meta for a bit whereas Dark Magician has never been able to pull that off. Red Eyes certainly is more all over the place than Dark Magician, but its good stuff is better.

[@koharuyuuki3162]

*"With no monsters on the field, I summon Dark Magician and attack directly!"*

[@ARC--5973]

*Battle Fader*

[@TheJaredPunch]

Koharu Yuuki Swift Scarecrow

[@TheJaredPunch]

Kochlor 08 Counter Counter

[@sus4644]

@@TheJaredPunch counter counter counters counter counter

[@TheJaredPunch]

Kochlor 08 counters within counters awaits you

[@zamorak888]

I always thought that the flavour texts for Dark Magician, despite its importance in the Yugioh lore, is somewhat lacklustre. It wouldn’t change anything about the competitive aspect of Dark Magician, but this new flavour texts would do his legacy better justice: *“A Magician who is known as the Eternal and Faithful Servant of the Pharaoh. Among Spellcasters he is referred as one of the most important Founders of the Magical Arts.”*

[@shimsokshim2995]

Probably too complex for our little kid minds to comprehend at the time. Also, it spoils (even though every one saw this coming) one of the first series' final season's moments.

[@SakuraAvalon]

Considering this is modern YGO, don't hold your breath. We would probably get. "Wields a cool staff, and a neato pointy hat!"

[@nopeace3689]

One of the founders of the mystic arts he is the faithful servant of the pharoah.

[@MrAhYesh]

I was a little cynical about you, dzeeff, before watching this video. I used to think that you made these critical videos as a way to laugh at bad players. However, I recognise now that you actually really love this game and you're trying to teach people what is wrong with the decks or cards that they play which are hindering them from developing. Congrats on the 100k man!

[@mekklord]

now do Red-Eyes and put an end to this "uhhhhh potential" bs once and for all

[@GamerGhostRider]

Do people legit say that? I thought it was a meme.

[@MikkelBrahmsson]

In Yugioh season 0 , Dark Yugi (Yami Yugi from the DM era) was dueling Seto Kaiba whom had all 3 of his Blue Eyes out, Dark Yugi made the reference that Blue Eyes was known for its Power and Red Eyes was known for its Potential, as he said that Dark Yugi fused Red Eyes with Meteor Dragon to make Meteor B. Dragon whose 3500 attack surpassed Blue Eyes.

[@GamerGhostRider]

@@MikkelBrahmsson I didn't know the backstory (thanks), but I was referring to the real world. Do people really say that "Red-eyes has potential" seriously?

[@MikkelBrahmsson]

I figured they did because of that quote from season 0 because that was the only time it was mentioned. I dont really see people use Red Eyes much so i cannot confirm nor deny if people are still saying that or not, but they did at one time yes.

[@GamerGhostRider]

@@MikkelBrahmsson I guess people get caught up with the hype, haha.

[@neubifx]

But your tone is the same when you are joking and talking seriously

[@Down_Triangle]

Not it's not. There's a 0.01dB change between his serious and joking tone.

[@tbhidk1257]

he has the same voice

[@ForrestPemberton]

@Alberto Fuijimori same

[@onlyRicky_x]

I have the best Dark Magician deck. It is so good that I'm not allowed to take it to any tournaments because they know it will finish at 1st place. Here's the deck list: Main Deck 3x Dark Magicians Side Deck 10x White Bordered Islands 37x Islands

[@yugioh5ds209]

Maybe, this was the power level intended for both dark magician and blue eyes : not competitif for top table, but just good enough to fight at lower tables. This is why : both decks are good enough to make people want to come back to yugioh. But once they want to be really competitivee, they buy a second deck.

[@JaysonReadsTheWord]

Yo dzeef I'm glad that you're even talking about dark magician because you have some pull in the community and maybe Konami will see this and give our boys something. I'd love to see blue eyes and dark magician topping again

[@SinatraAdams]

Facts

[@mfdmwells5104]

Blue-eyes Guardragon has been topping. DM has basically never topped. They did give more support. Again. See White Dragon Abyss and Duel Power. These decks will be getting more support until the end of time. Will it make them competitive? No idea. They've got to make it pretty busted to make DM good. But IMO, Konami would be better off making legacy support for other archetypes that already were good. That way they have something to work with, and hence need to release fewer cards for each archetype, and could give more archetypes a chance of being competitive. But being overpriced anime decks, Konmai makes a lot of money every time it gives DM etc support, so it keeps doing it.

[@Saadsaif]

If you manage to catch your opponent with no monsters on the field, you can special summon Dark Magician and attack for game. I don't see any other archetype that has the ability to do that.

[@yourmother5810]

This is a joke right?

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Junk Forward can do that.

[@chompyzilla]

Ah you got me

[@TenseiPatuYGO]

@@yourmother5810 It's a reference to a Duel Links ad

[@jrheiselt]

GG

[@platypusfox73]

I always run into at least one Dark Magician deck whenever I go to my locals (even played against one in the last one I went to). thankfully none of the players that used them have been jerks the last one even helped me get my Salmangreat deck off the ground.

[@eonflutehza131]

good sport for sure.

[@starbound100]

Of course, dark magician players are generally very nice people, who understand the non competitive nature of their deck but try hard to make it work on a local level just to have fun and enjoy their favourite 20+ years old monser. Blue eyes players on the other hand...

[@Fortebx497]

DM: I’m the ultimate wizard Endymion: Hold my counter

[@bahamuhtgames4031]

Not gonna lie. I read through this and instead of DM standing for Dark Magician. My mind went straight to D&D and said "Dungeon Master."

[@payne9682]

Then could you talk more about our missing Volcanic support? Day 75 of waiting for the fire nation to bring more Volcanic support

[@BosSoxFan15]

I think I see you comment on every yugituber video

[@payne9682]

@@BosSoxFan15 Mission accomplished

[@GamerGhostRider]

Day one of waiting for new (and decent, because the whole DM+DMG stuff is *SHIT* ) Dark Magician support.

[@MetaWarlord135]

When have you been counting from? There haven't been any new Volcanic cards since 2015.

[@payne9682]

@@MetaWarlord135 Their last support was in 2014, but my journey of counting for new support started 75/76 days ago.

[@mychemicalrobert]

I think Eternal Soul is just like that for flavour. When the tablet is destroyed, the monster summoned from is also destroyed, or something like that. Not really sure why it destroys all your monsters though.

[@cybernetic_fighter_z_the_h9362]

*Yami Yugi/Atem starts typing*

[@ComteOlche]

Atem : Dzeff you can blame consictence or lack of power... but you are only denied the true, face true Dzeff it's because YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF CARDS !

[@exiaR2x78]

Eternal soul + Dragon Knight is pretty strong but the summoning Dragon Knight is a pain. Eye of Timaeus not being searchable is one of the things that hurts this deck. Made a DM deck when I got back into yugioh earlier this year thought it was good, started playing more consistent rouge decks and you really do start to see all the short comings of DM decks.

[@FatesGuillotine]

Not a pack opening channel An open roast for yugioh channel

[@MeiteiReviews]

I always wanted you to talk about Dark Magician, because I really like that card! Even though it wasn't what I wanted or expected, I still enjoyed the video a lot and am grateful for that and your content in general

[@gotdamn4989]

Because we all know dark magician needs to be banned, so there is no reason to talk about it

[@notanurag6176]

It’s because no one knows what Dark Magician actually does

[@gotdamn4989]

NotAnurag I mean, that’s why pot of greed is banned, should be same with dark magician

[@hexie5620]

I know what they do, therefore I'm the only one allowed to play those cards

[@ellatgrasso2096]

My dad works for Konami

[@mrevilducky]

Let me make a discussion about Dark Magician so I can discuss why I never discuss Dark Magician

[@007kingifrit]

hey you should do a series where you take 1 card from a pack every day until you build a deck, then take that deck to a tourny

[@ebox147]

He doesn't like mixed random decks like that

[@KhaPha]

tourney might be pushing it since there's too much at stake at that point. But taking that deck to locals could be fun lol

[@MetaWarlord135]

Only problem is that it'd look like he was stealing the idea from LittleKuriboh.

[@007kingifrit]

@@MetaWarlord135 little kuriboh wasn't the first to do it, its been done before and besides, he already stole the idea of opening packs on his channel

[@josey6231]

@@007kingifrit Yeah that idea has been around for ages, they even did it in the show when Duke Devlin and Joey Wheeler duel

[@ISAAC607]

You can easily fix the deck just give us some actual support like Spell that searches and activates circle or soul from deck when activated. fusion summon a monster that uses dark magican, using material from deck Field spell that has to be popped before your opponent can target or destory your back row. Once during either player turn when a spellcaster(s) leaves the field apply this effects depending on amount of spellcaster in either graveyard combine 4:Special summon a level 7 or below spellcaster from the grave or deck. They gain the attack of all spellcaster that left the field 7: Banish opponent cards they control equal to the number of spellcaster that left the field 10:Special summon a xyz spellcaster from your extra deck. Attach spellcaster(s) that left the field to it 16:Special summon up to 3 level 7 dark spellcasters from gy, hand and deck A level 4 monster that is a considered a "dark magican" on the field or gy And a decent link monster

[@ethribin4188]

Talk about Dragunities please. Id like to hear your opinions on them. From their start over their glory time to today.

[@reddabos]

Ethribin YES. I still play them every now and then just because I only started playing the game for real when 5D’s was around.

[@smsamurai93]

Did you draw Rod? Search Circle. Activate Circle. Pray you get Navigation or Soul off Circle. Did you draw Apprentice/DM/Summoner's Art/Illusion Magic? Search DM. Set Navigation/Soul. Do all of this while dodging Ash/Droll/Veiler/Impermanence/Ogre. Pass turn. Draw, standby, opponent activates Twin Twisters/MST/Ogre on your Soul. Extend handshake.

[@kilekun]

Banned Galaxy Tomahawk was the final nail on the coffin of me playing DM, even fucking around on Percy, as that was the best card in the deck. Rip.

[@campbellnoah52]

Been watching your videos for awhile even after taking some breaks from the game. Thank you for your insight on the game and interesting videos. Congrats on 100K subs, well deserved

[@Airdathegamer]

Dark Magician cards look awesome. I'm not saying that just because they're in the anime; they look badass. That doesn't make them good gameplay-wise. I think a lot of people need to realize that.

[@Coolfusis]

So I see recent responses, which is cool because it means you're still active in these old videos! I just thought I'd add the "Introducing... The Scrub" from David Sirlin (you can find it on his blog) as a really good read about the kind of players you encounter in the comments (you brush up against the same concept in this video). They're in every. Single. Competitive. Community. I used to be one, sadly. I don't know if you have any more videos talking about this mindset (specific to the Yu-Gi-Oh community), but I love seeing high level players talking about how these mindsets hold people back.

[@Dzeeff]

Playing to Win is one my favorite gaming books, I've actually quoted it a few times in some of my videos :) great suggestion!

[@Coolfusis]

@@Dzeeff That's awesome! It really changed my perspective on competitive gaming, too. I only wish I'd been exposed to it sooner, I could have avoided many embarrassing diatribes in gaming forums during my teens!

[@Coolfusis]

@@Dzeeff Also, I just found you have an entire video on this from 4 years ago. Watching it now!

[@glenmoody-elias1040]

My build of Dark Magician is obviously the best. I don't have a Dark Magician deck.

[@RAGINKITTY98]

What's up with the dark magician around 5:40 that says it can't be used in a duel?

[@Greyleox87450]

*reads flavor text on Dark Magician* Endymion(TMMM/FSS): *snorts laughing all the way into his Citadel*

[@Scipht]

Hey, dzeeff! Non-competitive Dark Magician player here. I lurk on your videos frequently. As a non-competitive, I like that your videos show me why my Fun Decks don't really work in tournaments. I played at locals back in the Xyz era, and got whupped most of the time. I still don't very much like that I can't do well with all my favorite archetypes, but videos like yours help me understand why that is. Love the content; please keep doing what you're doing. As for my DM build? I chose to supplement the OG with the Pendulum Magicians. It still loses quite frequently to my buddy's more-meta Blue-Eyes, if you were wondering. I beat him more often with Krawlers.

[@TVMAN1997]

Because the Endymion, mighty master of magic is the Chad of the spellcasters

[@darkstar9200rogue]

The Virgin Dark Magician vs Endymion the Chad Master of Magic

[@TVMAN1997]

Shadowpurge 😂

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

I kinda see why this could be an issue; like clearly you’re not saying “you can’t play this”, you’re just recommending better stuff. But it sucks cuz, well people will misinterpret that. I’m still gonna play my Dark Magician Decks but I also know that I could be doing better.

[@NerdyTransformed]

Dzeeff doesn't understand that the Dark Magician archetype requires a true belief in the heart of the cards. Hence why only Yugi has topped with it.

[@BreauxC]

Congrats on 100k by the way. Been watching since 50kish, will keep doing so.

[@jorhatify]

Dark Magician is the only card in the game that you can summon with no cards on the board and swing for game

[@McGeeRF]

The Dark Magician deck needs a lot of draw power and it seems to do well with flood gate / board wipe tech strategy. Another way to speed up the Dark Magician Deck is to combine it with Pendulum Magicians / Supreme King cards. This particular mash up gives you a stronger first turn board presence and allows for more flexible and layered counter strategies. The ebb and flow of the deck can be off putting, but very fun to play.

[@pvblivscornelivsscipio]

You know our boi dzeeff doesn't care about Dark Magician anymore when he makes a video specifically about not caring about Dark Magician.

[@TheAvalanchilator]

Glad someone said it

[@CrisisCore62]

That's exactly true what dzeeff says The first times i defeated dark magician decks I was wondering they have so many spells card on the field does'nt do anything And i got so many wins because of that

[@jameslucrative2054]

Dark Magician is literally Zombie World with more steps.

[@greysonfallheart8865]

Heheh, what a clever way to put it.

[@lucariomaster9524]

I am really glad you did this video Dzeef. I am a Dark Magician player here and have really wanted to know your opinion on the competitive sense of the deck in the flaws and what is needed to be better. When looking at my build I noticed the same things you did in this video and was glad to know I was on the right track. I’ve been trying to find ways to make the deck competitive but I’m not sure how. Maybe it needs a specific engine to help it or probably needs new cards entirely. Blues eyes has cards surrounded to summoning him while Dark Magician has cards to get the support that surrounds him. The cards that actually summon Dark Magician are traps which could be twin twistered on your end phase. It gets problematic to create a decent board on the first turn or have the ability to recover if you get negated. I know playing a different better deck is probably the better choice, but ever since I got back into the game a few years ago I’ve been actively trying to build a Dark Magician deck and feel I have put so much time and energy to it that it would be a waste to quit. Maybe finding something else is what I need to do. I don’t hate you at all for making the video I actually applaud you and appreciate the insight of the deck. I appreciate the criticism and would not mind another in depth video about the Dark Magician strategy if you ever wanted to do one.

[@italiaskate25]

LOL I actually just built a Dark Magician deck just to spice things up at my locals. I don't expect to wreck everyone there, but with my side deck built to resist the meta, I hope to cheese a few wins :p

[@themagican5797]

Lol I love the funny text on Eternal Soul. 😂 Great video, keep up the awesome content.

[@hillwin10]

"Dark Magician Debunked" was a funny video -- still holds up.

[@CalvinFan1]

I agree 100% with everything you say, I had a dark magician deck with all the mentioned cards, and I faced all the problems you mentioned. I like the deck, because it's fun and the dark magician is nostalgic for me, but that's it, it's just fun. Not a competitive deck I learned the hard way 😭

[@thomassolomon6269]

Not competitive? You do realise you can use the Dark magician and Time wizard to summon the Dark sage right?

[@SandroCartoons]

this video came out on my birthday, neat!

[@b.a.2206]

Bad dark magician jokes- *Dark Magician? More like Dank Magicians! HARHARHARHAR! *Magicians of black cannabis *My dealer is named skilled Green magician I loved dark magician back in the day but i even know as a casual player its not competitive 2 tributes without an effect. 2500 atk beatstick. It does have decent support tho.

[@magiccardmaster9921]

Magician soul is great dark magician card but even better outside of it so did It really help dm or did it help other decks more?

[@narfd.8837]

"As long as they don't misinform themselves and think that deck is more competitive than it actually is" - Well, here I sit building the Krawler deck to end all decks xD

[@GigaChadsAreReal]

Krawlers can be considered rogue cause the new boss monster rekts salad bois and play similar to subterrors

[@MayraCma]

Fight me and my mekk knights with one hornet drone

[@TheAvalanchilator]

Man I'm out here playing relinquished dark magicians in the lair of darkness. Don't even tell me of the struggle. The fun is massive tho.

[@BarbieTano]

I might be a dark magician girl stan with magician girl support deck but I don’t think I’d last very long against a meta deck which is fine. I play casually with my family and boyfriend for fun c:

[@kryonikgaming1346]

Your video on blue eyes ultimate dragon the other day triggered a bunch of people in a blue eyes group I'm in.

[@e-tan3911]

How?

[@MysentialDelfyre]

I came back to the game using Dark Magicians. I wanted to play a competitive regional deck with it, so I bought 3 pot of extravagance/3 phantasmays. The deck archetype needs to be sped up like Blue Eyes in order to be even t3 or t2 above the local level. The deck needs too much external support and even with duel power, it did not actually empowered the core support. It was just more external support to support adding in 3 more bricks that is a blowout when it works. There is no silver's cry, sage, maiden, dedicated field spell, alternative dark magician. /Rant But really there needs to be better internal support for the core build. Dark magic circle is above 70% a blank card because you never actually add a card off it unless you included 20 cards that says "dark magician".

[@nooodisaster]

At least Dark Magician is competitive in Duel Links..

[@Didedesi]

I love the Dark Magician archtype but I agree it's not competitive I play a few decks that are competitive and way better than Dark Magician... I think it's good if you want to play casually but in the competitive scene Dark Magician doesn't work... In order for Dark Magician to be competitive I think is it needs a lot more and better support

[@stev1c1]

Dark Magician fan boi here,guys just admit it,Dark Magician is bad, nothing wrong with playing it casually, it's just bad competitively :)

[@GodZ7Venom]

Your honestly right the dark magician deck needs a massive buff

[@Milklover1131]

I actually really enjoyed dark magician debunked I thought it was funny

[@Mevestos]

For me, the most competitive version of Dark Magician would forego eternal soul and the original DM in favor of focusing on triggering Circle with Magician of Chaos and impcantation support. Not sure how much better this would be, but it sounds much stronger than relying on the traditional Dark Magician package.

[@MysentialDelfyre]

Eternal soul is just the best with the fusion DM build. MoC uses external support to help it, I will probably be switching to the ritual version as well. As it seems to function better without relying on the core support bricks.

[@Intruc3]

Those who play Dark Magicians are there for the fun, not the toxicity.

[@Demilich23]

100K!!! Way to go dzeef!

[@jasonoldfield7156]

Konami just hates dark magician the support are average or plain bad compared to blue eyes and eternal soul is just a personal middle finger from konami

[@gir1456]

I wonder how much the dm deck would change if dm was level 8 instead of 7.

[@NightClubSamurai]

in the original manga the levels just meant how rare it was, hence why blue eyes was 8

[@timidy5541]

I think that it’s to slow to get started if the traps were spells that would make them much better still play them but understand it’s not good for comp

[@ralsei3554]

I personally like dark magician and there a lot of cards to has to do with him but I’d prefer Dark magician Chaos since it’s a bit more reliable and leaves more room for cards instead of cards that has to do with dark magician

[@michaellockwood8019]

But @DZeeff, you're forgetting about the heart of the cards

[@EdderRamirezLopez]

Thanks for taking about Dark Magician. I think everything you say is true. I love playing the deck, and for me it is a very fun deck, but it is true that it needs a lot of cards to make plays, and to use so many resources to generate plays that other decks do easily makes this deck not competitive.

[@cheesebuger13]

They say they spend more time to build there deck, but dark magician is very easy to build and play.

[@akizafan7578]

Congratulations on 100k been here for two years

[@kenrose2523]

You really have to stop caring about what people think.

[@drdandalf]

Commenters dont understand Dzeeff's feelings

[@rApTurEsound]

Lol then he wouldnt have an excuse for free content lol

[@drdandalf]

@@Ahloveyafuhso commenters dont know dzeeffs life

[@kenrose2523]

@@Ahloveyafuhso to be fair if he appeal to the casuals then the competitive players and people that want to be more competitive would complain. People are always going to troll and hate(it apart of having a successful channel). I just sick of these apologist videos towards individuals who don't even compete or top in anything, who don't have any subscribers and irrelevant in general.

[@drdandalf]

@@Ahloveyafuhso commenters dont appreciate dzeeff... RIP

[@flankenstein]

As a Dark Magician player, I can't argue with any of your points honestly. The deck can do a lot of stuff when it gets going but it is not competitive at all yeah.

You just don't like Dark Magician like Kaiba.

[@ilijavujicic232]

Hey commenters i have a question. I want to make a good e hero deck but i don't know what xards are good for each attribute so correct me if i'm wrong. Shadow mist (best dark e hero) Stratos (best wind e hero) Solid soldier (best earth e hero) Blazeman (best fire e hero) Bubbleman (best water e hero) Honest neos or prisma i'm not sure (best light hero). Thank you for caring enough to read through this.

[@mfdmwells5104]

Honest Neos. But never summon it. Add Vison HERO Vyon and Destiny HERO - Malicious. Focus on putting out Dark Law and Absolute Zero into Acid, as they're the best ones. Use Isolde. Avoid the other Masked HEROs and omni-fusions except as Super Poly targets. Add Shien's Squire to go into Nat Beast. Best of luck.

[@JayDayX116]

Dark magician can't be good cause his hat is stupid.

[@b.a.2206]

No its a smexy hat >:(

[@isabellesmith7578]

'Dzeef doesn't understand the heart of the cards'

[@derekfreiley7980]

Dark Magician player here. Everything you said is completely and 100% true. It’s not a competitive deck, at all. No matter how much we want it to be. I got frustrated at how much I was losing and switched to Crusadia last year which I am having much more success. Konami has really hamstrung the Dark Magician archetype with lack luster support and pointless drawbacks. Konami needs to make a Level 4 Dark Spellcaster who’s name is always treated as Dark Magician and can search for cars like Eternal Soul, Eye of Timeaus or Circle for the deck to have any traction

[@nicholasmascioni3333]

used to play the deck, was a lot of fun, but it has a lot of shortcomings, people would always knightmare phoenix my eternal soul, I didn’t draw good hands for 3 rounds, and some guy dropped vanity’s fiend on me and I couldn’t play, the deck is getting new support though, a shame it’s most likely going to be shortprinted and very expensive, it’s enough that apprentice is $20 and you need 3

[@Dkdude9892]

Magicians' Soul, The Dark Magicians, Dragun of Red-Eyes, Secrets of Dark Magic, and Soul Servant would like to know your location

[@Emerald_Vizsla]

I appreciate this video. You handled the subject well. In addition to mentioning your experience with Dark Magician players, I can sense your discomfort regarding it. I am absolutely a Dark Magician player and I very much understand that Dark Magician really doesn't have an edge in the game. Honestly I just value the fact that Dark Magician still gets support enough to even win games. I'm embarrassed at the idea of belonging to a toxic fan base. I'd rather support your argument and prove some of us aren't driven to rage by you just being perfectly concise and honest about the state Dark Magician sits in the game. Keep it up.

[@PaladinRyga.]

Love the video! Good job bro!

[@brenthebli]

I play Dark Magicians as one of my casual decks. It’s fun but I’ve found the deck has very, very little first turn plays without teching in another strategy (Windwitch, Maybe Tickstars?) that has to take up deck space which lowers the consistency of the build. Dark Magician Dragon Knight + Eternal Soul can be a decent threat, but it can take time to set up and in the meantime you can either get OTKed or overwhelmed by your opponents board before you have the chance, and even if you get to that point, a Kaiju can take out your fusion. I also don’t main the deck, so I’m sure more experienced Dark Magician players might have something different to say. Do a Madolche deck profile :D