E.F.S.F FF-X7 Mobile Suits Core Fighter

[@TheWarmachine375]

Glad to see the Core Fighter is still in active service despite there are far more advanced mobile weapons.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Well.... it's main component for Core Booster and not everyone switched to Jet Core Booster likely

[@Ataximander]

Zeon is still shit in the air at this point

[@eisenklad]

​@@Ataximander zeon remnants this is just after A Boa Qu in Thunderbolt. some bases on earth still under zeon remnants control.

[@benlex5672]

Consider the fact that EFF won the ground war with air superiority and their only potential opponent still flies the Dopp, a fighter outclassed by the TIN Cod, it makes a lot of sense for in-atmosphere force to still fly the core fighter and core boosters.

[@maramba32]

@@Ataximandernot really

[@GrandAdmiralBatuKhan]

That animation is gorgeous. Even the 3D animated Core Fighters look like they're 2D. Thunderbolt really is the pinnacle of modern Gundam animation.

[@realmarkinator]

I'ma be honest with you. I would have never noticed that this was 3D until I saw your comment.

[@kekke910]

搭乗員目線で考えると 折り畳み形状から飛行形状に伸展する時、 飛行形状から折り畳み形状に戻る時。 さらにモビルスーツに結合した時の衝撃とGで 中の人失神しそうだなーと昔から思っていた。

[@JaycobIV]

Glad to see an actual dogfight in Gundam.

[@Chondrichyes]

［コア・ファイター(TB版)］ 地球連邦軍の航空戦闘機。 オリジナルはV作戦で開発された MSの脱出ポッドの役割が強かった がTBではミデアなどの艦載機で 普通の戦闘機として扱われてる。

[@wzx6x6z6w]

0:26 that is definitely gonna make me puke my breakfast out.

[@GuiltyOSheep]

Those pilots must have a lot faith in their engineers, cause that deploy sequence scares me if it malfunctions

[@yukin1990]

Well they have 18 meters tall mobile suit 😂😂😂😂

[@Spudtron98]

And the Gs they'd sustain during it would not be pleasant.

[@erniestrother3545]

The core fighter is kinda like the ball but better combat support for mobile suits. Very underrated combat support system.

[@erniestrother3545]

@cipher173 very true. Tanks and core fighters were never obsolete in the Gundam universe, they just became combat support for the mobile suits. Same with submarines.

[@erniestrother3545]

@cipher173 well the ZEON amphibious mobile suits are monsters and the real terror of the deep. Mobile suits like the Z’gok and Hygoog left no room and close the distance with close quarters fighting. I was expecting the federation to create more amphibious support for the aqua GM. But the submarines provided good transport and reconnaissance for mobile suits and could attack transport ships.

[@erniestrother3545]

@cipher173 the ZEON amphibious mobile suits come off as giant sea monsters while the aqua GM comes off as deep sea divers being attacked by the giant sea monsters. I feel like if the E.F.F. Would have spent more time making defensive weapons and converting more balls for amphibious warfare then E.F.F. Amphibious forces would be more of a force.

[@traphimawari7760]

They turned the core fighter into a parasite fighter they even deploy from the wings of the MS carrier plane. Ngl it's kinda smart, saves them fuel for deployment.

[@erniestrother3545]

@@traphimawari7760 facts.

[@takito9197]

アムロはこれでグフを撃墜したりと何気にバケモン戦闘機

[@solaireofastora5999]

It is still funny that Zeon's answer to the sky is just a terribly designed fighter craft liek the Dopp and a Gaw Carrier that is basically a WWII bomber plane. Like they basically had the idea that it would just be the same as space crafts since living in a colony doesn't give you much idea to how aircrafts should be designed in a combat situation.

[@ry0usama511]

Yet they make amphibious MS 3x better than Feds lmao

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

I have a different explanation for this. Knowing that the colonies were a rather volatile sociopolitical environment, the Federation intentionally deprived them of access to military technologists and historians. Most Spacenoids didn't even remember what is a tank, jet fighter or surface warship. That's why their military technology is so bizarre. The continuity of tactical and technological history had been long broken for them when the Zeon military was created. They were so starved of military knowledge that they had to convert Federation submarines for the Mad Anglers and force Federation technicians to make Dobday cannons.

[@solaireofastora5999]

​@@ВасилийМорозов-л7хthis idea would work but it's clear they do understand things planes and tanks considering MS Igloo has shown that there were skilled tank instructors that served in teaching Tank warfare but they were left behind due to the popularity of MS. What most likely happened is they underestimated the data thinking that the gravity in Earth would be heavier than on a colony but they didn't have a estimate if how much so they had a rough idea. When it comes to their aircraft designs, it's very clear that they don't understand Air combat because they followed the principles of Space crafts where it's about the speed and the effectiveness rather than weight and size

[@YaowBucketHEAD]

02:07 and we will never find out how she survived somehow being sucked into the vacuum of space only to make it with a backwards religious cult. It's truly a shame that Sunrise just abandoned Thunderbolt. I wonder why? And yes, I know I can look it up via the manga, I just haven't gotten around to it. 😅

[@jaderabbit898]

They're just waiting for the manga to finish.

[@ry0usama511]

Cuz the manga took damn forever to update

[@ilhamshobri461]

this scene really highlight how terrible dopp as a fighter are. dopp can be easily outmaneuver by a corefighter, lets imagine how well zeon dopp can hold against more advanced fighter such core booster that can even shot down a gelgoog

[@seawind930]

In space it was decent, in Atmosphere not so much

[@realmarkinator]

​@@seawind930They were made by spacenoids though. Makes sense their fighters are utter trash in atmosphere.

[@magellali1623]

The thing has a tiny wing and its cockpit and weapons pylon awkwardly stuck out above the frame. Its aerodynamic profile is a brick but even a brick can fly if you apply enough thrust to it.😂

[@benlex5672]

It's already outclassed by the TIN Cod and Saberfish. It really can't stand it's ground against Core fighters and Core boosters (with the latter being the mainstay fighter for EFAF).

[@benlex5672]

@@seawind930 Dopp can't fly in space tho. It uses Jet engines. Those require Atmosphere to fly (thus it can fly within the colonies but not outside of them.)

[@zerosen2141]

one of the few elements i loved about Thunderbolt was the fact that it showed the EFF had more than two braincells to rub together. Within the OG Timeline, the Core Block/Fighter Concept lost out in favor of a cheaper "One Piece" mobile suit. Yes, the GD Project, Double Zeta and Narrative all have Core Fighters, however, all o them are prototypes or one-offs. Just imagine how much more deadlier an EFF Airborne Carrier could be if it was packed with Core Fighters. The scene with the Medea showcases this perfectly. Small enough a single Medea can carry two for intercept and defense, folded up and tucked away in a bay. Imagine a Carrier-type airframe capable of supporting an entire wing of 60+ Core Fighters + a handful of Booster Parts. or god-forbid, a larger, dedicated Air Superiority version of a Core Fighter.

[@benlex5672]

OG EFAF uses Core boosters and core fighters too. But yeah it would be great if OG transport plane carries its own Core fighter squadron instead of relying on Core Booster Escort.

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

There is a CF variant that makes it a full fighter, the Raven Sword. However, it doesn't fold.

[@OcGuy1]

smallest jet fighter known to the Federation vs top of the line Zeon air superiority fighter

[@市村雄基-w9n]

コアファイター量産されたのか、凄いな

[@grigor.h3929]

コアファイターはジェガンまでのジムシリーズの標準装備ですよ？

[@yosiyukiyosino]

@@grigor.h3929ジムにコア・ファイターは積んでないんだよなぁ。 U.C.0085以降の量産機はほとんど全天周モニター(イジェクションポッド)が採用されてるのはΖ以降を見てれば普通に知ってることだと思ってたんだけど......。

[@Mmountain-m9f]

サンボルはパラレルだから😅

[@きるきる-s4m]

兵器だって消耗品だから、ガンキャノンやコアブースターがある程度量産して使われてる以上、コアファイターもまとまった数を量産しとかないと実戦で使えたもんじゃないですからな。

[@きるきる-s4m]

@@grigor.h3929標準装備されてないされてないw

[@Spudtron98]

Dedicated aerospace fighters should always dominate in-atmosphere.

[@CT-0290]

I wish it showed more fighters in the Gundam franchise, as it isn't explored much

[@leleutube5141]

wee need more core fighter pilot story,

[@taro-san2281]

Core fighter remind me of ultraman gaia fighters

[@Mmountain-m9f]

サンダーボルトだからこれはパラレルね

[@ChaoPing-oi2hi]

Is this Thunder bolt?

[@FederationMS787]

Yes

[@ASTYRA8492]

ジェットコアブースターのほうが好きだなぁ…

[@まいちゅん-h3b]

トップガン

[@IshmaelDoe]

well although I appreciate the video, but this just highlight how pointless it is to use core fighter as an actual fighter in atmosphere, those Zeon fighter should have out maneuver them, also many flight pattern and evasion doesn't make sense in real life. May be they can justify it by give core fighter with Vernier Thrusters, which give them maneuverability which is not characteristic of traditional fighter and thus give them better advantage.

[@lancerhalsey4816]

Canonically Dopp is a terrible fighter, and Federation holds the sky during the whole war. The most effective counter-MS tactic for Feds on Earth before they have GM is actually fighter-bomber strike.

[@benlex5672]

HOW? Dopp was already outclassed by the TIN Cod with a shotdown record of 1:8-1:10, giving EFF complete air superiority that they won the Odessa Campaign with less than 80 units of MS including guntanks. The core fighter was the advanced version of TIN Cod and there's no way the Dopp can outperform the core fighter nor EFAF's mainstay fighter the core booster.

[@IshmaelDoe]

​@@benlex5672 With that info you provide, I think there is a good point to make, but Even in thunderbolt, where core fighters are use in GMs, it would have make way more sense if they use the resource to create a more aerodynamic fighter then a flying brick, which would consume way more fuel and way worst performance. In real life, little adjustment of the shape of a fighter will result in great impact of the performance. Imo to make it make sense, it would imply that EFAF has way more advanced technology then Zeon, and the resources are mismanaged that there are many surplus core fighters.

[@無一物三蔵]

サンダーボルト？こんなシーンあったっけ？

[@takesato7667]

あったよ 原作にもあるよ

[@無一物三蔵]

@@takesato7667 また観たくなったよー。ありがとうー

[@流竜馬-b7h]

このコアファイターってMSの操縦機能が付いているとしたら、コストかかり過ぎじゃなかろうか？ 重力下のドッグファイトは面白いんだけど、普通に考えたら水平尾翼無いし重量バランス悪いからまともに飛ぶんかいな？

[@しゅうへいこばやし]

このコアファイター新規設計品じゃないならルナチタニウム製って事よね･･･ まず機銃レベルじゃキャノピー直撃でもしなきゃ落とせないだろコレ

[@フムッチ]

ドップがミサイル使わない事に違和感あるな… 08小隊のドップは使ってるから装備はされてるのに！ こんなに一方的に撃ち落とされるのは流石に草よ！

[@takesato7667]

サンボルの作者、何気にジオン残党に当たりがキツいし

[@きるきる-s4m]

MS開発前の連邦がなんとか防衛できてたのは、航空戦力の面では優位性を保てていて、ある程度の制空権を掌握できていたからだし、一方的になりがちなのはしょうがない。しかも相手は装甲堅い上に動力が核融合炉のバケモノ戦闘機だしな。

[@garyho7057]

畫面缺乏真實感，同時亦缺乏美感。

[@2233forlolz]

damn bro is a hater

[@garyho7057]

​@@2233forlolz我由1979年開始看高達。

[@2233forlolz]

@@garyho7057 well if that is your prefrence I won't blame you, but this is what brings the New Generations to watch gundam.

[@kurofune444]

見る側としては面白んだが、リアルで考えたら、重力下で飛行機として絶対にありえない動きをしているからな～。 後面白いのが、宇宙空間専用の戦闘機にもリアルを完全無視して何の意味もない羽根があったりするのが笑える。 宇宙空間では空気抵抗という物がないから形状に関係なく全ての動きがブースター＆スラスターで制御するんだしね。

[@青秋桜]

動画で思い切り大気圏内運用してるんですが、その宇宙専用戦闘機とはどこに居るんです？

[@TARAN_CANNON]

リアルで考えたらそもそもモビルスーツが成り立たないからその考えは捨てるのがおすすめだぞ

[@surunesu8232]

羽撃たれたことくらいで爆散するのはあかんやろ。

[@Spudtron98]

The A6M certainly did that a lot.