E38 V8 vs V12 | 2000 BMW 750iL vs 2001 BMW 740iL

[@Phenix7111]

Over 400 S-class and/or A8 owners disliked this video. 😂 honestly you are doing super contributions for the e38 community. Much love ❤️

[@PRNTestDrive]

I appreciate that! I always hate seeing those thumbs downs, I don't think people appreciate how much work goes into a video like this.

[@cheslynkallis2942]

🤣🤣🤣

[@barthoedemaker1396]

Love it or hate it.. but i love this styling period, don't like the newer ones

[@PRNTestDrive]

A lot of people will agree!

[@BOBBY-et9xb]

Bart Hoedemaker the best 7 series ever made. Just my opinion.

[@gregorytrane7828]

BOBBY I totally agree !!!

[@sukhmaidickoff]

+Bart Hoedemaker - The E38 is one of the most beautifully designed BMW`s ever imho. In newer top-class cars I prefer the design of the S-class.

[@hoedemakerbart]

Yeah I think your right !

[@stigshift2243]

Dream Garage: E36, E39, E38. Nothing else compares to the design of each of these masterpieces...flawless.

[@PRNTestDrive]

We love those too! We'd love to find an E36 328i convertible to add to our garage.

[@stigshift2243]

Funny you say that, my neighbor on the left owns and e36, 328i convertible, and on the right a e39 530i. I think its only proper if I buy an E38. 😂

[@TheBlackdragon936]

Stig Shift The E46 M3 isn't a master piece? Came out in 2001 and is timeless.

[@stigshift2243]

The e46 is wonderful, but the lightweight e36 takes handling to another level. You own an E46 I assume.

[@JohnDoe-um2qk]

e46 m3.

[@caspa7]

Should've done a little back road quarter mile race between these 2!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Production limitations! As much as we'd like to it's hard to film something like this with only 1 person :P But hopefully one day!

[@bberllam]

PRN I am in the gta area of you would like help film these videos . would love to help

[@PRNTestDrive]

We certainly appreciate the offer! However we moved out east of Montreal a few weeks ago so we're starting to look for production work out this way.

[@ChapsUnlimited]

Man I absolutely love these e38 vids!! I have a 97 750iL and you are covering all the questions I wanted to ask. Great work!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad to hear it! We wanted to make sure the video was as comprehensive as possible without going over all the same sort of things we've covered in previous videos.

[@ChapsUnlimited]

PRN Well done!

[@bend__]

Still love the E38. Drove the 740 for many years. And because of that my sister bought a 12 cilinder soon after. Timeless classics and comfortable.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Nice! I absolutely love this generation and era of BMW. The V12 is truly special.

[@corneliusdrvanderbilt822]

Well, I have a BMW 5.4 V12 (E38). US Specifications. It was a Demonstration Car with the BMW Dealer. I have slightly lower profile tyres at the front for cornering and taking curves at high speed on German Autobahn. The maximum speed I have driven constantly is 240 km / 150 mph...I have S Button. When it is depressed, it is a monster of a car to handle. I have never tested against a 4.4 V8 ...When the engine is warmed up, overtaking / passing at high speed is the greatest pleasure. The Factory Fitted Double Glazed windows are a boon at high speed ... The beauty of it is that it is so unassuming ... Of all the cars that I have driven, this one is the very special ...I am 82. I have this car since 2003. I drive from London to Stockholm in 23 hours and to Istanbul in 36 hours. These are becoming rarer and rarer, especially with low mileage. Mine is only 86,790 miles ...139,645 km...If you have a BMW 540 V12 (E 38), spend some money she deserves and keep it. It is a great great car to drive and to keep.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad to hear it!

[@curtmaciejewski7136]

I have a 740il and it's by far the best style bmw made. I love it

[@PRNTestDrive]

Can't go wrong with it, enjoy yours!

[@isaiahsmith4925]

Awesome Review, I have a 1998 740iL, love that car! I too debated at one point getting a 750iL.

[@PRNTestDrive]

We’d still love to get one if we could find one for sale and could justify the purchase. For now though we’re pretty happy cruising around with what we’ve got.

[@camdonking1919]

E31 and E38 are my childhood dream cars. And a Jeep Grand Cherokee for some reason

[@PRNTestDrive]

Old school Grand Cherokee's were pretty bad ass, I love the first generation. We're really glad we've had the chance to feature a few E38s and an E31 so far on our show.

[@Vikturus22]

These E38's still look amazing today. I just bought a E39 540i and the only problem i think it needs a 6speed auto then it would be perfect. This is just me but the 5speed is not enough

[@PRNTestDrive]

An extra gear would be really nice, no doubt.

[@5150santana]

had 2 0f these 740i and the 740il. love them.

[@PRNTestDrive]

So do we!

[@rollotomassi8251]

Perhaps I am old but this Styling Will never come back. Sade but true...💔

[@PRNTestDrive]

Very true!

[@OrionDakota]

Excellent video, however to my knowledge your statement about the transmissions being the same is incorrect. The 740il has ZF 5HP24 transmission and the 750il has the larger and much heavier ZF 5HP30 transmission that i believe was in the pre 98 740's. This could possibly explain the difference in power delivery. I own a 99 740il and despite 265k miles the transmission still shifts amazing. Hands down the best car I have ever driven. I hope you keep your 740 as well. I got mine for 800 5 years ago and have put about 4k of parts into it to make it perfect. Original engine still gets me 26mpg highway and about 22mpg average. Cant wait to see what it does with new rings and a valve job! Someday... Id like to see how many miles i can get on this engine.

[@PRNTestDrive]

We were mistaken about the transmissions yes, we forgot about it when we were filming the video. Glad to hear you have a great E38! Sounds like you got it for a steal.

[@jamesislandfishing6767]

That tobacco interior is so beautiful! I love the e80 7 series styling much better than the modern 7 series

[@PRNTestDrive]

We think the tobacco interior is one of the best interior colour options available. We've see in in-person on the E46 3 Series and photos from an E39. Just looks great on anything!

[@jamesislandfishing6767]

PRN - Perpetual Radio Networks my Moms 06 x5 has a brown interior . I'm not sure if it is tobbaco but it looks dang close

[@PRNTestDrive]

Nice! It might be, I think that was the only brown they offered until the more recent models.

[@pt8333]

Those were real bmw. A time when it was cool to drive bmw, unlike today

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's certainly a valid point. Even today these E38s are incredible to see on the road.

[@asmircar1]

few days ago i heard 740i and it was straight piped....it sounded better than any other car i heard in my life...it was detailed to perfection and had whie led angel eyes...very cool car....i wonder if that was v12, would it sound better or worse....anyway i still consider e39 better car for driving and looking at.

[@PRNTestDrive]

It's hard to say, I know some people have done exhaust mods on the V12 but I've heard some that didn't sound very good, while others sounded great. I think it really comes down to the right parts being used.

[@ninebail]

Its definitly worth to keep you car up and invest some money in it. al the luxury parts from the v12 u can also upgrade in your car for pretty cheap money. but im not sure how the siituation is in the US. Here in europe cars like the e38 and e39 u get for peanuts. but slowly prices climbing again. nice video!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Thanks! Prices here in Canada are a bit mixed. We're definitely looking to score some leather interior trim pieces if we can find them for cheap, they definitely help. I think if we could get the full leather dash/centre console/door cards we'd be pretty happy, then start working on fixing up the small bits on the interior and eventually tackle the small but growing rust issues.

[@rkjer]

So funny how old this looks to me.. but at the time when I was 16 they looked so cool and modern

[@PRNTestDrive]

Same for us! But they still have a commanding presence on the road today.

[@DjTaz0665]

'Cool Looking' at 16 is replaced by 'Classic Styling' at 40.

[@alexf4894]

Love the E38. I'm far too afraid to buy one

[@PRNTestDrive]

If you're able to work on them yourself then it isn't that bad.

[@Ready72000]

Alex F I own two. Don't be scared, mine have been very reliable with only small nuisance repairs. You really should try one. Buy the lowest mileage 2001 you can find.

[@Exekutioncro]

Id still take the v8 because of sound lolz currently searching for a v8 manual here in germany but they are quite rare

[@PRNTestDrive]

I'm surprised they're rare over there!

[@Exekutioncro]

the manuals are, most ppl took the automatic version ! 728i is fairly easy to find with manual

[@WalterThorne-h5k]

Great report thank you

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad you liked it, thanks!

[@Thorgal85]

One thing you didn't mention: reliability. Is the V12 really such a pain? I know People who stopped selling 850s because of problems with the engines.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Improper maintenance is the biggest issue, and overall cost of said maintenance. We didn't go in depth with problems as we put together an E38 Buyers Guide video a few months ago which covered all the problems and what to look out for when it comes to any of the North American 7 Series models. Most feel the V12 is more reliable as it's single overhead cam and lack of vanos make them less prone to exploding, and the timing chain guide issue with the V8s don't affect the V12. As mentioned in the video though, the extra spark plugs, mass airflow sensors, and other engine components end up costing more, which means regular maintenance costs are higher, which scare most people away.

[@Thorgal85]

PRN thank you for this clearification! :)

[@padlasvillage]

Thinking of buying E38 750iL us version, I didnt catch any differences on engines on Eu and US models, same power, same stuff. What exactly is different? I am by the way Mercedes fan and have E55 AMG W210 2001 model 72000km on and rust free, the almost impossible to get (you said that on your e55 test :)

[@PRNTestDrive]

Euro/US spec engines should be the same with the 750iL, the only real difference is the short wheelbase offering of the V12 in Europe, whereas 99.999% of the cars sold in North America were iLs.

[@padlasvillage]

Oh, I didnt know that there was a short version of 750, I thought they all were iL.. Well if we look at it now, MB 500 and MB 500SEL makes sense. Well, the one i am after has only 180K km on clock, owner has it for 15 or 16 years, used only for long trips, never seen norwegian snowy roads, maintained the car, upgrades installed, all services, and by researching, I came to conclusion BMW V12 is more reliable then V8.

[@padlasvillage]

PS. BTW you have nice vids, a different approach on things, not just oh look at this how nice, all these buttons etc. but you tell your opinion and feelings, positives and negatives and most important, how your ass feels in it :) for me comfort is very important because I love long trips, that means need a big comfy car.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Haha, thanks! You might be able to find the short V12 over there, I know they made quite a few for the European market. 180k isn't bad at all, and the V12s are considered to be more reliable than their V8 brothers, although maintenance will be around the same when you factor in the added components for the V12. Get it checked by a mechanic, and if it looks good buy it! You won't regret it.

[@padlasvillage]

here is the add. google translate, was lazy to write down Entry car is offered for sale due to space shortage. The car was put on sale 5 years ago but I was sold two other cars and this one could be. But now I need the place. This is no show version but certainly the top-of-the-line BMW 750 with most of the equipment that can be delivered to the model. The car has gone without fail since it was new and is absolutely flawless and stainless. The car has been taken from the United States as a freight item in 2003 by owner who has had the car since December 2000. It has been upgraded to Blue Integrated Phone (BMW ULF 13th Generation), upgraded 3-D Navigation (Mark IV) with 16: 9 monitor, new Euro radio with TCM (everything from X5 that was produced for 2006), Back camera in color, iPod interface, etc. Harman Kardon music system. All BMW part numbers. BMW made a major upgrade of the 750 Series 9/98 with, among other things, New engine management system and xenon light. The upgrades were so large that there is a significant difference between models built before and after 9/98. 160,000 km service with change of plugs (12) and Lamda sensors (4) as well as all filters are done. Brake pads and washers replaced 2016. Rubber bearings for suction, water pump and radiator renewed. Towing fastening with detachable hook newly fitted. The car can be delivered free (free) within Norway. The car is mostly used for long trips and has gone very little on Norwegian winter roads. Km stand can be documented with receipts from service and EU controls. The rear shock absorbers are renewed and the car has summer and winter tires from 2015.

[@Does_it_come_in_black]

That V12 interior tho 🤤🔥 Edit: maybe remap the V12 so it responds/behaves more like the V8 🤔

[@PRNTestDrive]

The owner of this one has swapped over a couple of his V12 E38s to manuals, that helps if you're looking for a different feel.

[@750iV12]

@@PRNTestDrive I would love to know more detail of how he converted to manual?

[@Dan_druft]

Lovely motor but the shorter wheelbase looks a ton better

[@PRNTestDrive]

One of the nice benefits of the European market, being able to get the 750i. I'm surprised more of those haven't been imported over here.

[@Dan_druft]

@@PRNTestDrive People don't want them because they are to juicy, even the 4.4 V8 is ridiculous on fuel

[@kalinduwadanambi8612]

Awesome videos! Keep it up!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Thanks! We've got a few more lined up and hoping to start filming later this month!

[@dbauernf]

Beautiful cars. Love the video.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad to hear it, thanks!

[@rickc303]

Was the 750iL in sport mode? Lazy throttle response and slow to downshift doesn't sound like it was.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Neither cars were.

[@rickc303]

PRN Perhaps similar for the E38, but on my E32 750iL that makes all the difference performance wise. Sport mode on the V8 only affects the transmission. For the V12, not only does it change the shift points and feel, but also the throttle maps (as the V12 uses dual electronic throttle bodies). Also, even if you push the pedal all the way down, the throttle bodies will not fully open as that only happens above 4000 RPM, which is the shift point when not in sport mode. It also keeps it out of overdrive too. All together, it's a dramatic difference that vastly changes the car from a laid back cushy cruiser to accelerating in a way you'd never expect such a car to.

[@ShaneRG]

Seeing that frontal side by side shot, it's amazing how great a slightly lowered e38 looks! Question for you, though: How did you truly feel about the BC coils? You seemed to be doing quite a lot of jiggling and bouncing.

[@PRNTestDrive]

The roads we were on weren't great to begin with, we filmed 4 different cars along there that day and we found the ride quality was pretty similar to our OEM setup on the V8. The C43 we did along with the W126 560SEL we'll publish next Monday were all filmed along there, so you'll notice we had similar rough terrain to deal with.

[@chrisk192]

ive got E65 730D , people are saying its a worst 7 series its been made ever , i disagree i was sceptical is well so i simply bought one , ive got car for 2.5 years now no problems whatsoever , i bought it with 105.000 miles on the clock , now its got 120.000 ish , and still drives like new car , still is a quality vechicle , everything works car is not falilng apart i stay in Scotland car is sitting outside now for over 2 years and i have to say there is some small rust showing off in boot when spare wheel is sitting not a ot just slightly , but taking that heavy rain here all the winter season well i cant agree with people are saying E65 is a crap , if you buy a shit example you will end up with problems simple is that , if its been mainatned properly its been serve for years , will be niceto see some E65 videos is well , car it will be classic soon so why not !

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad to hear it! There's a lot of hate out there for the E65, and we talked about it during our first episode of Showdown on the E38 and E65. They certainly can have their issues, like any car, but overall if it's well maintained and cared for the cars aren't bad.

[@chrisk192]

Extactly , they manufacture them in a very specific way i have to say , see when you find some trim squeezing or some rusty point on a bodywork most of the cases its nothing serious just surface its been slightly tired of sun or water everything else its seems in VGC looks like they make a lot of material testing when choosing parts to build those beemers which is a quality point of view they aged very well , and there is not a lot of them in good shape ,i mean really good shape so maybe its a good investment , those two V12 AND V8 E38 are just great cars people just want more and more quality and it seems like AUDI its doing the best job wright now in my opinion

[@TheFishingMusician]

People hate on the E65 mostly because of exterior appearance. BMW went from a timeless and beautiful exterior design with the e38 to the googly eyed and blob-like e65.

[@roberturkevich3233]

My 740 was a nightmare too bad good looking car mine cost me many thousands and i am a master tech never in the five years i owned did it go two weeks without another problem and i was only putting 1k a year on it

[@PRNTestDrive]

Everyone has different experiences with cars, ours has done 80,000km in 2 years with rather minor issues.

[@truthkeeperfilms]

Just FYI that upper radiator hose on the 740 is going to pope any moment now. When they turn brown, its ready to explode. Anyhow, parts are a dime a dozen on 740s.. parts for 750s are much more rare PLUS two batteries, two electrical systems.. less room to work on. You'll hate it

[@PRNTestDrive]

Good to know, thanks!

[@richardfitzwell6579]

Parallel wheels are the best BMW wheel made IMO

[@PRNTestDrive]

We agree! They look good on almost any BMW from the late 80s onward.

[@HumbledGod]

does any one else get bothered when taller/bigger people dont adjust the headrest idk my dad has a 91 ford aerostar and it doesnt even have a head rest on long road trips i would forget and try to lean my headback dam near snapin my shit up

[@PRNTestDrive]

I usually keep mine up when driving my own car, but we try not to mess around with the seat settings on other vehicles we review, although most do have memory settings. This 750iL was the first car we've ever tested where the owner's seating position was perfect for us the way it was.

[@Wargasm54]

If bmw was smart they’d reissue this car with modern appointments and tech. But not go overboard. This was the pinnacle of bmw design. The new ones are hideous (exterior design wise). But performance wise, they are fantastic. But this 2001 740/750 car is just absolutely stunning. A 2023 reincarnation would be epic.

[@PRNTestDrive]

I don't think we'll see anything like that, at least not from a mainstream brand like BMW. Hyundai currently has a concept vehicle that looks like an 80s sedan, something like that could be a very interesting seller if it goes into production, and might set the stage for other retro-cars like that.

[@guy4469]

just re set the pedal every 3 months i do on my 728i ,

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

That 750iL interior is beautiful. Looks like the owner ruined the ride with aftermarket crap, though

[@thespacestation4787]

in the end of the day its your car, you give it the worth not others. if you love the car restore it

[@PRNTestDrive]

Well said! We're really hoping to be able to get some work done on ours to get it running again.

[@16jnajm]

There are supercharger kits for the e38. Do it!

[@PRNTestDrive]

We've got plenty of other priorities for maintenance before that sort of mod, but plenty of people have added a supercharger to their E38s!

[@KrabbyPattyCOD]

Is the 750 lowered ?

[@PRNTestDrive]

It is a little, on BC coilovers.

[@omfgwtfbbq90]

How does the 740d compare to these?

[@PRNTestDrive]

We'd love to know! Unfortunately the diesel E38s weren't ever offered over here. Hopefully someone will import one and we can make a video happen!

[@omfgwtfbbq90]

What is it with Americans and diesel? You guys don't like being economic on fossil fuels?

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

Dude, that V12 interior is so ahead of its time. A god damn beauty that thing is!

[@PRNTestDrive]

We love it! Looks so good with the black leather dashboard too. We'd love to be able to compare this car with a G12 760Li to see what's different material wise.

[@Divine_Serpent_Geh]

PRN That's be interesting! By the way, now that you mention the G11 M760i, I've been wanting to ask you, do you think that BMW made the right move making it an M-performance model? I feel like the V12 7 series that came before were luxury foremost. How do you feel about them "sporty-ing" their biggest Limo?

[@PRNTestDrive]

I still don't know what to think about it to be honest. Everyone's been asking for an M7 or equivalent for decades now. Mercedes starting offering AMG versions of the S-Class and BMW didn't. It's weird, but an AMG S-Class makes sense, but an M 7 Series, even an M760Li as sort of a baby M doesn't feel right. We'd have to drive it to see if there's a reason for it, but then again the X5M/X6M is very popular out here and taking an SUV on a track doesn't make a lot of sense either.

[@Divine_Serpent_Geh]

PRN Good. Because I feel the same way. There's no need for an M7 or even an M-performance model. AMG S-class has never sense to me either. Equally Audi. Although they have never made an RS8, they build an S8, which is supposed to offer more sport. To me I just don't see the point in buying a limousine of these proportions and be "sporty". It's all very confusing in my opinion. Having the sportier suspension, loud exhaust etc... In a car that is merely meant to be as comfortable and luxurious as it can be, it's paradoxical to me. Glad you feel the same way. I hope there is never an M7 or RS8. It's too late for Mercedes LOL. The X5M/X6M... I have no comment to how ridiculous those are.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Haha! The Old school S8s were really awesome though, we're trying to track one down and do a Spotlight on it. The 7 Series is a great luxury car, if I want sport and a large cabin I'd get the M6 GC or E63 AMG Wagon. 7 Series will always be about cruising and comfort for me.

[@mohammedyasin4031]

This is the best looking BMW 7 series till date. One of the few top designs to come out of BMW in my eyes.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Agreed!

[@vincentkreed6934]

E32. Truly the best! IMO

[@MrZorbatron]

As someone who has extensive experience with both cars, I have a couple of things to note... The V12 uses a ZF 5HP30 transmission, which the V8 also used from 1995 until halfway through 1998. From the halfway point in 1998, the V8 uses the ZF 5HP24 transmission. The difference is basically a reduction in maximum gearbox torque. The valve bodies and shifting behaviors should be basically identical. As far as the behavior, if you were to reset the transmission's short term adaptives, which are basically adjustments made based on its observation of your driving, they should behave in exactly the same way. The only differentiator will arise due to the greater torque from the V12 engine causing more driveline torque to be available at lower RPM. This transmission controller uses torque demand as one of the primary inputs to determine when to shift. A full kickdown (past the detent at full throttle) should cause exactly the same behavior in both cars. My experience with the 750iL was that its transmission is very responsive to a forced kickdown, even if the trans had learned a very mild driving style over the last few hundred miles. The 4.4's initial throttle tip-in downshift response is a little more aggressive, in part due to the reduced torque from the engine. A good few tests to determine if it could be mechanical wear are as follows: - Shifts in steptronic mode should be very quick, taking at most a bit less than a second from +/- lever input to gear change. - Read the line pressure with a scan tool and compare with specification (don't remember off the top of my head). - Read the long term adaptives like per clutch/band pressure precompensation. Remember that the 5.4 is coupled with a 2.81:1 final drive ratio. The 4.4 is available with either a 2.93 (I think?) standard or a "Sport" ratio of 3.15 as an extra cost option, standard on 740i Sport. This can cause substantial difference in feeling at low speeds, though it is a big contributor to the "doesn't let up" feeling of the 5.4's highway power. Over about 100 MPH, there is absolutely no comparison between the cars. The 750 is MUCH faster. On the other hand, I'd be surprised if 0-30 isn't exactly the same.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Good to know, thanks for sharing!

[@lowpulse8729]

Dude...you're awesome

[@Man7rah]

I'm was very close to actually clapping from that masterpiece of a youtube comment.. respect man.

[@LeslieHapablap]

Wholesome comment 💪

[@SteveThinman]

There is another difference between the 5HP30 & 5HP24 which I learned when I took my 540 E34 (5HP30) and my 840 (5HP24) to ZF for a service. The 540 had over 200k KM at that time and the 840 had around 80k KM and yet the oil and control balls in the 5HP30 were perfectly fine (it never had service according to the date on the oil filter). The 5HP24 on the other hand had dirty oil and the balls had also measurable wear. As the 5HP24 has a maximum torque rating similar to the max torque of the M62B44, it needs to work "harder" which results in more wear. The 5HP30 which is I think rated with a maximum torque of 500 NM has so much reserve, that it mostly does its job with little effort. For me, it was quite a revelation to see both of them disassembled side by side and see how different the wear on them was.

[@Chthonian121]

The 750 is the car 2Pac got shot in

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's true! He could have benefited from the full protection model.

[@nothislike]

PRN very funny assholes

[@z4rg3n]

Also bond's car in 'Tomorrow Never Dies', classic parking garage scene. The model used in filming was actually a V8 however.

[@MrKeepitup83]

xd

[@PRNTestDrive]

CPFinger4o, I don't quite get what you mean.

[@Old.jewish]

"it's just a 740" say that to a guy that owns a 725tds haha

[@PRNTestDrive]

Hey the diesels are awesome! We'd love to have one over here in Canada.

[@Old.jewish]

It's not a bad car in any way, I love it but i'd kill to have another 143hp :p

[@kristianandani2459]

alalalalalong I actually considering to buy one,i've got 728 right now.What to look for?

[@PRNTestDrive]

We'd certainly recommend checking our E38 Buyers Guide video for more information about the E38 in general. For specifics on the Euro-engines it might be a good idea to check out local enthusiast forums, bimmerforums or bimmerfest might be able to get into the differences with that engine.

[@kristianandani2459]

Жак Морозов Ukraine.

[@WatchGeek]

Great video of the car that was my dream car when I was growing up, it still looks nicer to me than all the 7 series afterwards, it is just so well proportioned, it was a joy to look at them both

[@PRNTestDrive]

We really love the look of these cars too, especially in black. We were very happy to have the chance to film the V12 in the condition it was in, easily one of the best kept cars we've drive in this age range.

[@pibblesnbits]

So funny to see you commenting n on cars! I love your channel!

[@850bimmer]

As a 8-series V12 owner, the debate surrounding the V12 vs the "4-short" has been going on for years. After 11 years with the 8-series, numerous meets all over Europe this is what I have learned. 1. The V12 will outperform the V8 from 200kph and onwards, up to that speed they are virtually identical. Meaning it has no real difference, unless you live in Germany. 2. The V8 sounds better with an aftermarket exhaust than the V12. 3. V8 has better fuel economy. So if you are looking for a cool cruiser that you want to mod to attract some attention, the V8 is the one to go for. If you want the more low key route, with a tad more power and "bragging rights", go for the V12.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Well said! The 8 Series is the one car we hoped to review, and the owner of this V12 had a few of them however we ran out of time before moving.

[@justhemus99]

the v12 in this review has 30 more horse power and tiptronic gear box compared with your model(850I) unless you have an 850csi 6 speed?.750 will pull ahead of 740 and stay there all the way to 155mph(you can tell by the look on his face when he was testing it that it pulls quicker than his 740).I used to import them here in New Zealand from Japan about ten years ago when they were still viable.out of 30 odd e38's i have tried 728(6 cylinder used as taxis in Singapore) 730(v8 but this model is terribly under powered), 735, 740(4.0l) 740(4.4l) the 750 is the one to invest in.you will never be 100% happy in the v8 now you have experienced the v12 maybe 90% happy but not 100.

[@850bimmer]

My car is not comparable with any of these as it has about 500hp, but that is a different story. An 840, and an 850 (5.0 300hp) "raced" on the German Autobahn. And around 200kph the 850 started to pull away. There was only made 1250 850's with the 5.4 M73 engine, so a very rare car, actually fewer that the 5.6l CSi of which 1518 was made. If I was going to buy another 8-series there is a good chance I would go for the V8, put a nice exhaust on it and enjoy it. I can't legally drive any of them to its full potential in my country, and with the performance difference being that small it makes no difference if I get the V8 or V12.

[@xxgm28]

850bimmer I've got a E38 750i with a full exhaust system on it and there's no V8 BMW that sounds better! You could close your eyes and this thing sounds like a super car coming towards you! A far superior sound than the more common V8. But it's all preference! (Yes, I'm a young V12 driver) 21.

[@850bimmer]

Well, I guess that is personal preference. I have had 5 different exhausts on my V12 now, and while it sound good, I still dont think it can compete with a V8 with a good system. That said a screaming Lamborghini V12 is the best sound in the world, but you can never get a BMW v12 to sound like that.

[@parismalaspinas2488]

Bmw used to be so cool

[@PRNTestDrive]

We definitely think so too.

[@Chrispypullen]

They forgot the face of their father

[@georgfriedrichhendl9881]

@@Chrispypullen , the dark tower?

[@GENTILJEN]

Very nice V12 but I still prefer your 7 and yes she is worth it 🙂

[@PRNTestDrive]

I feel like I've heard that before :P

[@Long-nd8bq]

I loved the E38 and E39 styling. So beautiful and modern, yet classic, and still relevant 20+ years later. The 750iL with those wheels and lowered stance is perfection. Beautiful car.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Couldn't agree more!

[@V12BRO]

The transmissions are in fact different. Early 740s and all 750s received the 5HP-30 vs the 5HP-24 in 740s from I believe 97' onward. The 30 is beefier and is less prone to failure. Otherwise, great video!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Good to know, thanks for that! We forgot to ask the owner while we were there and couldn't find any specific information about the transmissions when searching for the data online.

[@ilandman4evr]

That v12 interior is freaking amazing!!!! I would love to have it. I'm glad you had a moment of clarity. They are project cars that you can enjoy. Any real car person and even some that aren't will show respect for e38 owner. It also shows they have great taste in cars lol. Great vid. That v12 car looks stunning tasteful. Near perfection imo

[@PRNTestDrive]

We love the interior colour on this V12 also, looks even better in person.

[@Frostified]

I love my 750 interior. It has one of the rarest individual options in the world for E38. Dark green real leather with cloth green sport centers on the seats. There are only a couple few sets in the world that way!

[@Tvv1SteR]

IMO, this is the most beautiful BMW, and not just BMW, for me E38 is the most beautiful sedan ever made. Period.

[@PRNTestDrive]

It's definitely got a solid fanbase behind it!

[@alexrios1737]

I think the 750i is a heavier car. Built more for comfort civilized driving

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's definitely true, we'd have to check the gross weight for each vehicle, there's definitely more going on with the 750iL to add those numbers up.

[@greekcs]

My father owned a 2000 750. Beautiful machine.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Very nice! They are great vehicles, especially when they're in the great condition this one is in.

[@liamwebb8059]

Dude ur 740 is awse! Restore it! Theyre rare over here in uk.. id kill for one!

[@PRNTestDrive]

We're definitely going to do something with it. Right now we're on a tight deadline to get things working on it, but we're hoping to have the chance to put it in the garage and take the plates off while we get some serious work done and documented on it.

[@liamwebb8059]

PRN if u do some vids ill be following!

[@johnyutah9542]

Dude keep your 740il. Who cares if it's not a v12, the v8 is far more reliable. I miss my e38...😢

[@PRNTestDrive]

We plan on it! However we've got a long list of repairs that need to be done with it now, so we might not be driving it as much.

[@right-handrenown-spear4660]

Johny Utah Actually you have that backwards. The v8 was notorious for having problems, especially burning oil. The v12 rarely had any issues. As far as the engines go the v12 was more reliable.

[@vergas2098]

Right-Hand Renown-Spear my v8 taking off very slow and heavy. maybe a tune up rite?

[@klx1370]

Right-Hand Renown-Spear Im just gonna say " Timing Chain Guides "

[@sackofdope14]

Christian Ayala 21 timing chain

[@mr.butterworth]

Any SWB 740 with the Sport package is worth saving. It's a great setup with the Steptronic trans, shorter final drive ratio, and sport suspension. Very well matched to the V8 as well.

[@mhtube01]

Couldn't agree more. I own a 99 740i sport and it is a fantastic set up. I absolutely love driving it! My dad owned a 97 740i years ago and I'd love to get the chance to drive one of those again to compare. I basically learned to drive on his car and I remember it being a very nice driving car. The M Sport feels much more athletic though! Some people ask why I didn't get a LWB and frankly I didn't want one. The SWB looks better IMO and has adequate rear seat room for how often I have passengers in the back of my car.

[@gregory2789]

I like the V-8 BMWs interior better probably because the tobacco colour is hideous.

[@PRNTestDrive]

It's definitely not for everyone, though it looks different in person than with the camera's interpretation of the colour. That's always going to be subjective though, since everyone likes different things!

[@WalterThorne-h5k]

Hi …I drive a 2000 M73 with high line leather treatment and a few M esthetics …now 97,000 mi…plastic stuff cracks.. I had exploded fan experience..every thing plastic in front of engine and near to engine fan destroyed inc radiator, hole in steel hood, hoses, air filter housings…Twice replaces gaskets on intake manifolds once when replaced aluminum pipe which was corroded. Remember …replace fan clutch as recommended…. Ultimate road car! LOVE THE TORQUE , TONS OF FEATURES AND PERHAPS BEST LOOKING BMW DESIGN. SAFE DRIVING

[@PRNTestDrive]

These certainly have their fair share of issues, as you mentioned a lot stem from the plastics BMW was using. Still great cars though. A bunch have come up for sale in Ontario recently.

[@PierreColombo900]

The 740 is available in manual so I'd take it rather than the 750 !

[@PRNTestDrive]

In Europe absolutely! Many people have started swapping manuals into E38s over here. The owner of the V12 we featured has several with 6 speed swaps.

[@SkyScourgeGod]

Not here in the states. All US spec E38's whether V8 or V12 came with an automatic gearbox. If we wanted a manual we'd have to get one swapped in... :(

[@Frostified]

Who the heck wants to be shifting a seven series. Too many people like the car for the transporter movies. It's a classy car, not a race car. Get an M5!

[@andrewkoontz01]

Scott Keselowski or they just like driving

[@marijnclaesen]

i got a 1999 540i , the 4.4 liter is faster and more power than the old 5.0 v12. The 4.4 was rated at 286hp but that was too low it was over the 300hp easily ( a lot of dyno proof for that ). BMW underrated those engines not to drop sales on the v12

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's something we've heard as well.

[@justhemus99]

E38.ORG will show you how to fix things that go wrong with these.more than 200 separate articles.Its very rewarding repairing these cars.750 has a cluster basket thing that explodes in the trans and puts it into limp mode,costs about $10,000 grand to get BMW to rebuild it.the more time you spend in the 750 the more the gap between it and the 740 grows.v8 power starts to feel thin.v12 will pull just as hard with 4 passengers and a trunk load of luggage,its like a freight train.soft leather package is made from baby cows,it feels so good.I believe the E38 was voted best car ever of the last century.v12 is hungry on gas compared to modern car making them sunday drivers or for guys that dont have wife and kids to support.Good on you PRN for keeping the dream alive.

[@PRNTestDrive]

e38.org is definitely one of the best resources out there, we use it often and recommend it to everyone!

[@donmacleod5084]

I have a 2000 silver 740i Eurospec, full AC Schnitzer package, with only 40,000 miles/71,000km. I had it listed for sale today until I watched this video, then looked at some aweful Ford-looking 2002+ BMWs, and fell in love all over again with the E38. Think Bond/Transporter and find one.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Might be a good idea to hold on to that one if you can! There's certainly a lot more demand for these cars today than there was a few years ago, I think we're going to see that interest continue to grow.

[@onemanarmyEST]

On E38's, the throttle response depends how the car has been driven since it adapts to the driving.

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's what we've heard from a few other commenters also, but the owner of this car did assure us that he drives it the way BMW intended it to be driven ;)

[@BITTYBOY121]

@@PRNTestDrive ...and that's "Drive it like you stole it !" LOL

[@lyc-lostson7923]

The v8 is the way to go like what he said 😊I have the v8 4.4 1997 il

[@PRNTestDrive]

I loved my V8. The V12 is such a treat to drive but I wouldn't want to have to maintain it.

[@justhemus99]

If you replace v12 diff with v8 diff the car with dsc turned off will spin one wheel off the mark all the way to about 70 miles an hour, really brings the car alive.also using wheels from 745 although are slightly wrong off set( rubs inner gauard slightly on full lock) will give the same look filling the guards with out trashing the ride.its a shame to see you getting jolted like that on the bumps in the road.have the standard v12 shocks rebuilt by a hydraulic shop(where they rebuild hydraulic rams).changing spring height is madness as it changes suspension geometry, you are robbing your self of an impressive driving experience.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Good to know!

[@wikiqen2530]

I had a 2001 740i Sport. A great car but it had to go after 8 years of ownership, when I purchased my 2001 750iL Sport. The V12 is a better car in every aspect, and rare. The only way to find how many e38 with a V12 where made is to google the amount of engines produced. Save your money and buy a V12

[@PRNTestDrive]

Well said. Sorry to hear you had to get rid of yours though!

[@techgamingandmore5484]

what is whit the price .... v12 im my country cost 4-5k$ and and v8 cost 2-3k ...

[@PRNTestDrive]

Depends on your market, clearly. Here in Canada there are fewer of these vehicles that were sold initially, and our winters mixed with the road salt used has caused a lot of them to become scrap, so it’s simple economics.

[@saintjc8531]

I own a 2001 740il an the driving experience is great i really do enjoy this car a lot my bmw only has 100k miles so not to bad but overall it's a great car.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Very nice! 100k mi isn't much, there's still tons of life left. Glad to hear you're enjoying it!

[@jackbrouwer1400]

Keep up the good work PRN! I thoroughly enjoy your e38 videos and comparisons about other saloons in its class. I would love to see a Mercedes cl600 review! Keep it up! Regards, Jack Brouwer

[@PRNTestDrive]

We would love to get behind the wheel of the CL600 again. Last time we drove one was over 10 years ago. We're hoping to find one locally.

[@arthurvin2937]

I was exclusively after V8 because of BMW honest intentions and efforts to create almost perfect engine in all its aspects. Whereas v12 has always been sort of half-baked incomplete job. Just think about it: 1) two MAF sensors 2) two throttles 3) two ECU's which btw were reflashed retrofit from V8 with each disabled 2 banks out of 8 to make it 6 x2. Both sides had to be magically synchronized of course. So, V12 is just two inline 6 engines glued together and hastily made of parts originally not designed for V12 application. That's not how the engines should be made.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Also the minimal boost in power over the V8 doesn't make a lot of sense either. BMW was first to market with a V12 over Mercedes, and I think they wanted to rush through it.

[@arthurvin2937]

@@PRNTestDrive oh yea, that would explain all the hacks and tricks they had to do to make it work without investing too much into V12 R&D.

[@otm646]

They're not the same transmission. It's more than just the v12 specific bellhousing.

[@ravipeiris4388]

My dad drove the 1997 BMW 740iL. What an amazing and reliable vehicle. However, it was the pinnacle of German quality and reliability as the 2000s has proved disastrous for most German car marques, Ravi Peiris M.D.

[@PRNTestDrive]

I certainly loved mine when I had it.

[@MrTommys-wc7qw]

What are the rims on the v12?

[@PRNTestDrive]

These are ACS Type 3 rims I believe, 19". Someone might correct me though, I'm not well versed on my aftermarket rims.

[@MrTommys-wc7qw]

PRN thanks man! I noticed that u reply to almost all comments, nice work💯 Oh and you were right on the rims

[@PRNTestDrive]

We do try to reply to everyone! KZbin's notifications don't work though, we often won't be notified of new top level comments on videos, and almost never to replies. We try to go through the comments section of our dashboard but often if a reply is made a day after we won't know about it! KZbin really needs to fix that.

[@lostsoul3592]

I fucking love the models from b4!! I just bought a 99 740il with 86k original miles!! The car is in stunning shape in and out. Let me know if you guys want to see a video 👍🏻

[@PRNTestDrive]

Very nice! If you post something send us a link!

[@si98justme1]

My '97 (pre facelift) Orient Blue E38 740I (4.4l) is like a rebellious teenage daughter, always throwing a fit, and sulking to spite me... I wouldn't trade her for the world though. I've put 2 new alternators, 2 water pumps, various sensors, 18" E39 style 65 rims, rebuilt lots of hoses, belt changes, 2 fan clutch changes, speaker repairs, valve cover gaskets, all intake gaskets, control arms/bushings (including: Powerflex front Traction strut bushings), rebuilt power steering hoses, repaired seat cables, recovered headliner, 4 brake rotors and 8 pads all round, the list goes on... Also bought/made lots of supporting tools for the various jobs, got a laptop with INPA, made my own ADS Interface. Bottom line, if you want one of these cars, they're a proper handful, be prepared for that, also you need to be a competent mechanic, or be best buddies with one, just to keep up with them, otherwise they will bankrupt you. But once they're at a point where they are running and looking right, there's no better car in the world!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Couldn't have said it better myself! Hope you get to continue driving yours for a while!

[@mrknowitallyah6058]

They do not have the same transmission. They use to up to 1996 but BMW chose to go with the lighterduty 5hp24 for the 1997 and up 740. They kept the heavy duty 5hp30 in the 750s until 01. Nice cars. I have both and the 01 740i sport along with a 760li, E60 M5, E60 550i, and about 7 other BMW. My 1995 740il with the original M60 engine and the 5hp30 HD trans is by far the best BMW I have.

[@PRNTestDrive]

We realized the mistake after publishing, but yes the transmissions are different. We haven't had any issues with our 5hp24 luckily!

[@mrknowitallyah6058]

change the transmission filter, o-ring, gasket and fluid before its 150k miles and there will be no problems

[@PRNTestDrive]

Unfortunately we've gone over that by 40k km! We're not sure if the transmission was ever serviced though on the car, we never got the service records when we bought it.

[@walliev9195]

Im thinking of buying an e38. Thanks for the good content dude. Keep up the good work.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Thanks! Hopefully our videos help you narrow down your selection!

[@walliev9195]

I bought a 740d from 2000, cosmosblack metalic, M Sport Pack and M suspension, Tobacco brown seats and its just awesome so far:) Will be my new daily driver and hope to do some trips through Europe with it next year.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Very nice! That tobacco interior is pretty hard to come by, I think it's my favourite interior colour for the E38. Hope the diesel serves you well, it's something we'd love to have over here.

[@wan4891]

Is there not a quality problem with the 8 cilinder concerning the Vanos system (because of the 1 chain system)? and this esspecially should be the matter with the "after facelift " model. I read this on a forum, which said that there is a very costly revision necessary at about 120.000 miles. Searching a E38 car: this makes me afraid of buying this type.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Not so much a quality problem, the Vanos system does need to be serviced around that time though. We've covered a lot of the E38 related maintenance over the course of our show, it's not as scary as the forums make it sound.

[@trefod]

I think it's a lunatic move to put a hard lowered suspension on a 750. It's just missing the point all together. Oh and the E38 is probably the best looking BMW ever made, for that reason alone it's worth spending money on it.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Once it's time to do the suspension on mine I'm going to do everything in my power to keep the OEM parts on there.

[@Forge17]

I imagine maintaining the 750 with its v12 is also more costly, I know maintaining a merc w140 or w220 v12 can be very espensive!

[@PRNTestDrive]

As is the case with any enthusiast following like the W140s or E38s, there will be a lot of back and forth between the BMW and Mercedes camps. I've spoken to many Mercedes techs and enthusiasts, and they all recommend avoiding the 90s and early 2000s V12s, they just aren't reliable compared with the V8s and smaller engines from Mercedes at the time. When it comes to the BMW the V12 is just two straight 6 motors stuck together, so they're relatively simple to maintain, although you're looking at service costs for what is essentially two engines. So while the V12 is less likely to grenade on you, maintenance will often be similar if not a bit more than the V8.

[@Forge17]

+PRN interesting, didn't know that! Thanks for the info

[@bellahpetersen1733]

Ive been ina 344hp v12 and a 335 hp both e38 and same model as the one on the video.the v12 was very heavy coz of all the amour it had and the v8 was very very light. Oh and the v12 was bulletproof too.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Nice! You can definitely get more power out of these engines if you tune them, or add forced induction.

[@Aigentcy]

I test drove both as well. Ended up going with the 740. The 750 was not as cool as I thought it would be and I really wanted it. Until I drove it.

[@PRNTestDrive]

The V12 is almost more of a status symbol than anything else. It's a nice car, the attention to detail over the V8 is great, but the power doesn't add much to the car when both are stock.

[@fiveohluva]

Miss my 750iL SO MUCH- thanks for the vid- loved it

[@PRNTestDrive]

We'd miss ours too if we had one!

[@DjTaz0665]

Guys, I will NEVER say that. Mine's a forever keeper. I'd even consider using IT instead of a coffin when that time comes. I'd just have to buy THREE plots to fit it and use the Roundel as a tombstone.

[@connorbesson488]

Fix it dont sell it/get rid of it it is worth it i know it isnt a v12 e38 but it is still a beautiful car and if you could find a wrecked v12 put the interior into the v8 your car with all the features it would be awesome

[@PRNTestDrive]

That's our hope! Finding some interior trim to upgrade the rest of the car. We've already gotten most of the V12 wood accents along with the B-Pillar trim, it's just finding the leather parts that we need next.

[@Lasse7331]

Greetings from Germany, finished my 735i today, wish i had 750iL www.dropbox.com/s/uyg9grfzzkl3aqv/7er.jpg?dl=0

[@PRNTestDrive]

Looks great! I always like the way the clear corner indicator lights look along with the black kidney grilles.

[@BMWyCia]

My 725tds has extended leather to door cards and centre console that has nothing to do with the engine version its just about what was ordered for the car from the customer at the time.

[@PRNTestDrive]

That is very true, however typically the buyers here in North America wouldn't spend more on trim/finishes, whereas it seems to be more common in Europe.

[@BITTYBOY121]

I didn't know that the E38 was made in 2007, I thought that the E38 7 series was discontinued in 2001 and then replaced by BMW with the E65 7 series ?? ....Did he really mean to say 1997 750iL ? but said "2007 750iL" in error ?? I wonder ....

[@PRNTestDrive]

You'd have to point that out in with a timecode, it's been a long time since I filmed this and it's entirely possible I made a mistake, however you're the first person in 400,000+ views to bring that up.

[@BITTYBOY121]

@@PRNTestDrive Wow ! That's a chance in a million with the year thing ! - Great cars ! I have the 1997 E39 535i auto/steptronic with the 4:3 tv/satnav and steel sunroof option, It has same memory comfort seats the 2 e38 7 series in your video and I love these seats !! Great cars these older BMW's compared to the more later ones.

[@jimfromcolo]

I've have driven my 1998 E38 BMW 740i 510,000 miles, well maintained, outside of the typical E38 problems, engine don't burn oil, and never been apart outside of the cooling system issues these have had, this car is great and still plugging away. The newer 7 series just don't have the looks.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Glad to hear it! 510k mi is amazing, hopefully you can keep it going and eventually hit a million.

[@bobseeg2467]

The best looking 7 series ever made in my favorite era the 90s

[@PRNTestDrive]

Really can't go wrong with BMW's designs during this time.

[@nostress1193]

This is only getting better with the Alpina B12 Model

[@masterkashif8978]

Some people loose interest in making used german cars tests nonetheless they worth it seriously

[@PRNTestDrive]

We believe so too, there's a serious lack of content out there for these older cars.

[@nostress1193]

The E38 is a masterpiece of german engineering. I drive one for 23 years and 375`000 km without any big trouble. I just have my B12 Alpina, just the best car ever made.

[@Odessa45]

The iL cars are fugly. My blackline 740i sport is a zillion times better looking.

[@PRNTestDrive]

Can't win em all.

[@brendanngin9939]

Are these expensive to maintain and keep driving ?

[@PRNTestDrive]

Absolutely. We've done a number of videos on the E38 BMW 7 Series including a full buyer's guide video, which goes over the different engines and models for the North American market, along with info on overall maintenance and common problems.

[@silver750iL]

Don't get too hung up on the leather trimmed dash. I can confirm without doubt they are just leatherette material. Still, my 750iL with 20" Alpinas remains my favorite car of all time. Big mistake when I bought a BMW Individual 745i to replace it. Don't even get me started on that!

[@PRNTestDrive]

Leatherette would be a little disappointing, but still an upgrade over the plastic, especially when it comes to cleaning the interior of the windshield constantly.

[@silver750iL]

To be fair the non covered dash’s etc are a nice high quality material far from hard plastic. I had a V8 E38 with sand beige prior to buying the 750 which had black buffalo leather

[@W4NKER]

The comments were 665 before mine I was going to comment and I am This car is a pure beauty. Can't deny how beautiful and luxurious this was

[@PRNTestDrive]

Even by today's standards that 750iL has a lot going for it, it's incredible.

[@W4NKER]

@@PRNTestDrive ikr So true

[@felipesouth1650]

BOSS plates fits perfectly for that type of the car!!!