I have to disagree with your placement of Layla. Yes, she is "just" the second strongest shield in the game (which can have zero down time), and "just" a cryo sword user, but it appears that you didn't take into account her C4 which boosts the active character's NA/CA damage by 5% of her HP (which can easily exceed 40k), and with her C1, she shares her shield in Co-Op. Having Tenacity on Layla only further increases her team utility.
@JustSkii28 күн бұрын
(spoiler alert for 5.3 character kits, if you dont want to know character's kits until the 5.3 livestream, dont read the comment) in just one version, there will be TWO "cryo" shielders way way better than layla, as both citlali and lanyan are shielders (yes lanyan is anemo but she can infuse her shields with elements so she techically can be a cryo shielder) and they just do a lot of buffing for your damage, with lanyan being a free lantern rite 4* that everyone has access to. So not only shielding isnt really good since furina was added and hp of spiral abyss enemies has been increasing, BUT there already are and will be better shielders than her
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
The NA/CA dmg boost is close to useless for anybody but chasca, without that she is just a sheild, and not even the best sheild when that is all layla can do, legit zhongli outclasses her completely and her use cases are never optimal. Even kirara does more, layla has on average a 18k sheild while kirara has a 20k and zhongli a 24k sheild. LEGIT KIRARA IS BETTER AND ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER BUFF AND ELEMENT. Not ONLY THAT THOMAS SHEILD EVEN HAS BETTER SCALINGS AT 35% hp%. All of you glazing layla need to stop, she is just mid.
@starpeep576927 күн бұрын
@@JustSkiiis citlali even gonna be good with just 20 percent non cryo buff and shield, i love and want her but
@JustSkii27 күн бұрын
@starpeep5769 well what about hero of cinder city? Thats extra 40% dmg, and she herself has some cryo application which is quite nice and some alright damage
@luutio900027 күн бұрын
@@JustSkii Citlali is 5* so doesnt matter...
@LughSamildanach28 күн бұрын
If you use with Bennet if you use with Furina If you use with Bennet if you use with Furina If you use with Bennet if you use with Furina if you use with Furina I love Genshin but good god this is awful.
@NinaXD128 күн бұрын
It's not just genshin every game has this type of broken characters that changes a lot of things
@shawn788928 күн бұрын
I'm tired of "team guides" that are just bennet furina + another almost universal buffer/grouper/etc. Like show me some synergies brother. I know it's less damage on a team if you don't have em, but maybe they're on another team.
@Helping_hand22427 күн бұрын
Don't forget Nahida
@-Dovahkiin27 күн бұрын
Yeah all games (specially gacha games) always have those 2 or 3 supports that are so good that you'll always hear about them in guides. One example I can give is FGO where EVERYONE will tell you to use Castoria, Oberon, Koyanskaya of Light or Scathach Skadi (it'll all depend whether you're using a Buster, Arts or Quick dps) It's so annoying that it makes you kinda hate these support characters
@Real_Waleed25 күн бұрын
@@Helping_hand224 She's not nearly as universal as furina, Bennett Xilonen and Kazuha because she only falls under dendro teams and maybe some cryo teams
@F0rgingtonMawzey28 күн бұрын
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
@KB_Skykid28 күн бұрын
Bro has a whole paragraph vendetta about xiangling 😭😭😭
@RonnynBlade28 күн бұрын
My daily dose of xiangling copypasta
@BenFang-ug7sf28 күн бұрын
Xiangling = pyro
@Ohwell90028 күн бұрын
Yea wtvr, this has been copy pasted for years congrats for being very very original, congrats congrats
@thesilliestspiderman28 күн бұрын
Type skibidi
@Shane_A_M28 күн бұрын
I love to see the Laylers already out in full force o7
@michealrosen28 күн бұрын
Layla is perfect in wanderer teams, she increases crit rate being cyro and gives a solid sheild that lasts the duration hes in the air
@kuyarence28 күн бұрын
Don't forget using her with Chasca
@eraseyoursoc1al28 күн бұрын
yes but she is not his best in slot, furina bennet faruzan are his best team.
@sdani.28 күн бұрын
also works really really well with neuvillette
@notjakefromstatefarm646028 күн бұрын
i like her with navia to add a sheild that can be catalysted for navia skill
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Don't forget that zhongli completely replaces her and that since bennet is almost always in wanderer teams her sustainence has no practicality and only for comfort. The 15% crit rate can instantly be replaced, layla has no actual role and is just a sheild and thats it, every single other sheilder is better and her c4 buffing is garbage for anybody but chasca and in chasca teams she is replaced by ororon,bennet, xiangling. Ppl Overrate her so much when in fact all layla does is provide a sheild.
@BellaenDuHljodhr26 күн бұрын
(Yanfei) "One of my favorite characters. Because she has a shield. S tier." (Layla) "She has a good shield, but shields aren't that good. B tier."
@justagirl_online23 күн бұрын
I'm a Yanfei main and it's crazy to see her so high compared to Layla. Layla is basically a budget replacement for Zhongli and she's so versatile for many teams. Yanfei is only a dps because her shield kinda sucks compared to any other 4 stars shielder and her damage as a dps is not even that high. My girl is paired with Furina, Xilonen, Kazuha with Crimson Witch and Lost Prayer 2k ATK, 80CR and 150 CDMG and she does max 40k/50k
@BellaenDuHljodhr23 күн бұрын
@@justagirl_online I do the same with Freminet. I like to at least pretend he can do damage 😭
@Sylvastier22 күн бұрын
I'm not gonna defend this tierlist at all but Yanfei does also have access to great support weapons, and free one's at that. Layla at best needs Nilou's or Kazuha's weapons to provide any useful support. Shielders do infact need something other than just a shield. It is pretty dumb that a single con turned her into a glorified sheild bot, but also funny considering it was made for herself to keep up dps.
@sopianwahyudi20 күн бұрын
@@BellaenDuHljodhrI also like to pretend my Lisa got some damage 😅
@cloudunderweather95546 күн бұрын
@@justagirl_online I don't see the issue, the guy's B tier is the niche tier. laylas niche is shields. Sounds right to me?
@LadyHermes28 күн бұрын
Yunjin deserves the niche tier too. At C6, she can be as good if not better than Bennett for Yoimiya, and she isn't locked around circle impact. Can be pretty good with Noelle too.
@wiz_lime28 күн бұрын
Yes she is even better on bennet in some case
@jajathenewking613128 күн бұрын
4 of Yun jin's best teams to put her for me is Clorinde, Yoimiya, Ayato, and Noelle (especially with Gouro)
@thisathovin634628 күн бұрын
@@wiz_limeBro is delusional. Bro thikns Trash-Jin is anywhere near the GOAT Bennett
She needs particular team to shine thats the problem bennet can be use on almost every team
@ChefMonke0728 күн бұрын
Your bias against Layla is palpable...
@JustSkii28 күн бұрын
in the current meta, healing is a lot more vauleable than shielding thanks to furina, shield's main benefit is the interuption to resistance, but a lot of recent characters either have it build in their kit, have it in their early cons, or destroy everything too quickly to get interupted. So layla as a pure shielder isnt good enough (also spoiler for 5.3, both citlali and lanyan are just way better "cryo" shielders than layla, as citlali offers SOO much buffing on top of giving a shield and some better cryo app than layla, and lanyan can infuse her shield with elements making her technically a cryo shielder in cryo teams and she also shreeds resistances with VV)
@cinamoonmoon28 күн бұрын
@@JustSkii citlatli is a 5star argument doenst matter there anyways, and lanyans shield its said to be pretty fckng fragile
@mangostestes937128 күн бұрын
i really don't think you listened to eake's opinion whatsoever
@ChefMonke0728 күн бұрын
@@JustSkii Citlali is a 5 star, thus more limited. And she runs with the Archon, so few people would have her anyway. As for Lanyan, I doubt her shield is gonna be as good as Layla or Kirara. Also, Layla's main strength is that it's easy to build her as a DPS/Shield hybrid with a Cryo Goblet and Harbinger of Dawn. She also buffs a fair amount with Tenacity. She also enables Melt in typical Vape teams due to her somewhat consistent application. Your assessment is correct if you ONLY look at her as a shield bot. She's not.
@JustSkii28 күн бұрын
@@cinamoonmoon with citlali, fair enough, and with lanyan, her shield is actually quite alright, especially with c2 and at the end of the day, there is just so many self sustaining dps, or supports that give healing that lanyan in wont ever be the only sustain in her teams, and there shes way more than good enough with that
@koconnor11728 күн бұрын
Disrespecting Layla again is crazy
@yashaskararyan28 күн бұрын
watch her get power crept not once but twice next patch
@Bvic328 күн бұрын
Layla is a life saver in the Abyss floor 12 when you're new and not expert about every boss attack pattern. She also makes weekly bosses easy. No need to know patterns. Layla is S tier like Zhongli. Waste of DPS, insane quality of life. You only don't use her because you have Zhongli.
@blessanabey557528 күн бұрын
Yep, just behind zhongli which makes sense and for people who don't want to pull and waste your hard earned primos (especially if you are a f2p) on shield support 5 stars.
@rockruffmybeloved315928 күн бұрын
He literally says he always clears abyss using only 4 stars
@exploreevery28 күн бұрын
C3 Layla Haver yes it's right i also have 49K hp zhongli
@sdani.28 күн бұрын
if you're new you're gonna be struggling on doing enough damage which layla doesn't really contribute to,also you can definitely learn pattern with enough tries
@lunalee817428 күн бұрын
shielder are also WAY more valuable for mobile players, which i feel like eakes isn't considering since he's not on mobile. you can take time to learn patterns of enemies and still struggle just because of how much smaller the margin of error is.
@emood221728 күн бұрын
justice for layla 😔
@alexukonu659228 күн бұрын
JUSTICE FOR LAYLAAAA
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
The NA/CA dmg boost is close to useless for anybody but chasca, without that she is just a sheild, and not even the best sheild when that is all layla can do, legit zhongli outclasses her completely and her use cases are never optimal. Even kirara does more, layla has on average a 18k sheild while kirara has a 20k and zhongli a 24k sheild. LEGIT KIRARA IS BETTER AND ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER BUFF AND ELEMENT. Not ONLY THAT THOMAS SHEILD EVEN HAS BETTER SCALINGS AT 35% hp%. All of you glazing layla need to stop, she is just mid.
@Helping_hand22427 күн бұрын
@@AlwaysThirstysyou didn't consider her element, a 40 cost burst is so low its not even funny, she can easily apply enough cryo to get melt or freeze, think of any Pyro or hydro character that wants a shield, they can use her. And you can't have 2 zhongli, If you need another shield she is amazing for most characters. Another point is that Thomas elements often holds him back from being In any Pyro dps or dendro reaction team.
@pulsar953727 күн бұрын
The main problem i have with Layla is that her shield uptime & scalings should've been higher.
@azcatryo4228 күн бұрын
As someone who started in February this year and has had zero access to Zhongli thus far, let alone many cryo options, Layla is a great character. Her shield/skill allows for some cryo application. Her burst allows for more. Putting her on Tenacity gives her some utility. She can give energy with a fav sword as well. Her constellations help her damage some, her energy, her buffing and shield uptime and strength further. She has far more upsides than down. She works well with the strongest DPS in the game. So I suppose this tier list is not taking an average player's view, but a top player's view?
@mordakie380528 күн бұрын
I use Layla with arle and wanderer she’s amazingly useful
@Noggintoggin28 күн бұрын
Layla will always be goated to me But Citlali is about to power creep her hard. She can wear that new op natlan support set, has a shield too, has weirdly good dmg multipliers and buff em reactions. Layla hasnt got too much time left bros...
@candyis191628 күн бұрын
Cryo isn't that strong rn so probably average player
@Bvic328 күн бұрын
@@NoggintogginMany F2P players have no primos for Zhongli and Citlali.
@dawensci713428 күн бұрын
@@Bvic3 skill issue
@JayWills-z4e28 күн бұрын
I’m just here in the comments for the Laylers drama 😅
@mangostestes937128 күн бұрын
saaaaaaame
@horokai23 күн бұрын
funny thing is now with citlali she will be even more useless
@shafqatnaheed814528 күн бұрын
Justice for Layla I use her at level 70 and het shield is so good 💔
@eszterfodor113627 күн бұрын
Before I got Zhongli I used Layla, her shield is very good.
@thearchivist25028 күн бұрын
C6 Gaming is better than many 5* C0s. Maybe not saying much, but I love the guy. I finally started building Collei, and she’s so good. Her front loaded Dendro damage is massive and fast, then get her off the field for someone else. If you don’t have Nahida, Collei works very well. C6 Chev one of the best investments I’ve ever made. She even works on non-overload teams as healer and pyro applicator for Imaginarium Theater when you are short characters.
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Problem with gaming is he's kinda c6 locked. 80 crit value is around a 40% increase over c5 which is pretty insane. (He also gets a better AOE) Collei's issue is literally the only team that needs frontloaded dendro is speedrunners and dmc gives more em and application. Chev at c6 is good, but c5 cheveruse is always outclassed by kazuha and xilonen in damage. She is also kinda either all in for c6 or have a good unit at c0.
@user-sr9qe2zl9w28 күн бұрын
@@AlwaysThirstys You're fun at parties
@namvutranngoc694527 күн бұрын
@@AlwaysThirstys but Eakes is rating everyone at C6 so it's only fair if Gaming goes up
@morrismonet355426 күн бұрын
I like playing a Gaming, Beidou, Fischl and Chevruse team, it's fun and very effective. All are C6 except Fischl is C5. I'll get her C6 in the shop January 1 for sure.
@dudzthe21st28 күн бұрын
Man Layla has carried my acc ever since she released. As a charged attack lover, she's a god send. I play her with Lyney, Neuvilette, and sometimes with Navia. I mostly play on mobile so shields feel a little more better but still, she's a great sustain option. Besides, the only people that utilize Diona's em buff are those that do Nuke builds
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
The NA/CA dmg boost is close to useless for anybody but chasca, without that she is just a sheild, and not even the best shield when that is all layla can do, legit zhongli outclasses her completely and her use cases are never optimal. Even kirara does more, layla has on average a 18k shield while kirara has a 20k and zhongli a 24k shield. LEGIT KIRARA IS BETTER AND ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER BUFF AND ELEMENT. Not ONLY THAT THOMAS SHEILD EVEN HAS BETTER SCALINGS AT 35% hp% vs 19% shield scaling. All of you glazing layla need to stop, she is just mid.
@dudzthe21st28 күн бұрын
@AlwaysThirstys well atleast Layla can easily proc TotM while Kirara can just run Deepwood if no one else is using it. Ofcourse Zhongli is better cause he's the geo archon- also, I don't have any plans on pulling Zhongli cause I already have Layla and Kirara and soon to be Lan Yan aswell. Thoma's shield in theory is the 2nd best shield but practically can't reach it withought proper shield stacking. Yes Kirara and Zhongli have better elements but Layla can be slotted into reverse vape teams to allow pyro carries to occasionally melt. I don't wanna drag this further so... Layla = Kirara < Zhongli
@Zeke146028 күн бұрын
Eakes is just plain wrong about Layla. You can see by looking at the comments. She’s in A tier for abyss. She’s going to do more for people than Ningguang or Dori. And as a defensive utility option for Chasca, Wanderer, or other strong DPS characters, she makes them way more comfortable to play. Yes, she’s weaker than Zhongli, but she’s still the best 4 star shielder and Tenacity still makes her a decent buffer. Along with her cons that buff normals. She also has way more overworld utility than most characters on this list. Shields are one of the most comfortable tools to use in overworld, which makes up a HUGE percentage of your play time. Much more than Abyss. With that in mind, I’d say she goes up there next to thoma in S tier. Both her and Kirara belong there.
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
The NA/CA dmg boost is close to useless for anybody but chasca, without that she is just a sheild, and not even the best shield when that is all layla can do, legit zhongli outclasses her completely and her use cases are never optimal. Even kirara does more, layla has on average a 18k shield while kirara has a 20k and zhongli a 24k shield. LEGIT KIRARA IS BETTER AND ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER BUFF AND ELEMENT. Not ONLY THAT THOMAS SHEILD EVEN HAS BETTER SCALINGS AT 35% hp% vs 19% shield scaling. All of you glazing layla need to stop, she is just mid. Ninguan has navia and is better for her while being a decent dps. Dori is actually good, the problem is that her potential is locked by c6- alot of you guys underrate her because you use support dori instead of c6 dps dori which when used with furina nahida and fishl is comparable to characters like cyno and clorinde.
@1Chase027 күн бұрын
@@AlwaysThirstyssaying Layla is mid but she's ranked on the bottom is a bit contradictory don't u think? quit yapping lil bro
@ghostcula28 күн бұрын
Soluna just made a pretty sick Kaveh shatterbloom team, you should check it out.
@BellaenDuHljodhr26 күн бұрын
It performed really bad though compared to other teams, and even other Kaveh teams. His BiS is still Nilou, but wherever you put him the team would be better off without him
@vilksu28 күн бұрын
I think you're way too harsh on Yunjin... Her use-cases are niche, but putting her next to Amber and Kaveh (who is downright unusable) is just crazy.
@MSx-mn4gt28 күн бұрын
Kaveh buff when? I love him, and C6-ed him, but god damn he does no damage😭
@chongokhan28 күн бұрын
mika higher than sara is just sad and Layla on the same tier as razor is just criminal, just add more tiers on your list coz you can't just pack some characters on the same tier and call it a day, at the very least split it in half
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Sara near useless at c5 and only niche for raiden at c6. Layla is just a shield and some small buffing when characters like thoma, kirara, zhongli provide so much more. Mika is only good because of his teamwide healing, nothing else.
@sugar537420 күн бұрын
Sara is absolutely worse than Mika. She's completely useless pre C6 and only good with Raiden at C6. While Mika is clearly designed for Eula, he's at least fine in other teams and doesn't require C6.
@marqkc20 күн бұрын
Something other replies haven't brought up is that C6 Sara... IS bad. She is horrible. Only 6 seconds of full buffing uptime while missing 30% of Bennett's ATK buff ratio, that is ridiculously bad. She's only a decent option for C2 Raiden since C0 Raiden isn't dealing enough damage that Sara can buff . At that point, Fischl's decent off field output + Raiden's weak base damage > Raiden's weak base damage x Sara's weak buffing And the support for Clorinde isn't any better either. Again, it's only 6 seconds and it's only ~80% of her base atk - she ain't buffing as much than literally any other support in the game. As a dedicated buffer for her element, Sara fundamentally fails.
@buest10428 күн бұрын
How dare you. As someone who kills Sappho(83) and Rilai(14) regularly, my Arlecchino always appreciates Layla's access to 4pcTenacity and some Cryo application. 🐙
@Rimorsi28 күн бұрын
0:21 you know is real when you see both sayu and yaoyao at level 90 and neuvi at level 80
@annika090727 күн бұрын
Putting tankfei above layla/ diona is wild
@jajathenewking613128 күн бұрын
Layla is definitely solid character when you have Zhongli, I love using her with Navia for a melt/crystallize team but Navia got newer better characters to work with than Zhongli. Collie and Kirara are definitely underrated characters if we didn't have amazing dendro characters like Nahida and Baizhu we'd see them more. Charlotte is way underrated even I underrated her but I just not a fan of cryo but she, Layla, Kaeya, Rosaria, Wriothesley are my favorites in the cryo line up. (Funny how it's all melt units but I just love Pryo) Why is Yunjin so low (at least niche) she has her usage Clorinde, Yoimiya, Ayato, even Noelle can use her effectively. After making a newer more stricter account 2 year ago I have a much more appreciation for 4 stars that I rarely use on my main account.
@lordkresnik287328 күн бұрын
Wait so its a 4 star list but the reason layla sucks is because zhongli the 5 star is better? How does that make sense
@napalmbukakke28 күн бұрын
15:36 Important to note the atk buff is based on Bennett's BASE attack, which can only be increased by leveling up and the weapon he's holding. I'm a Bennett main and his max base attack at level 90 + aquila favonia is 865, and then a level 13 burst multiplies that by 119%. 18:50 I endorse this statement xD
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
level 13 c5 bennet is 139% due to c1, which is 1,198 base attack boost.
@felipemendes533628 күн бұрын
Ok the layla argument is so dumb, u use her with characters that don't want to get interrupted, like lyney or Hutao , where dodging is a massive dps loss. Also if you don't want her to get in the way of reactions why not play her in a team where you want the cryo application like Hutao or Gaming teams. Like again that whole segment is so hard to listen to 💀💀. Also barbara sucks with Furina btw, she has a 80 cost burst and doesn't generate any enery so if you want to use ttds she is a black hole of energy and your furina is fked, or you put her on Fav but now you lost the only reason to use her in Ttds, and if you dont have nilo you have no reason to use her ever and even in Nilou teams she is super replaceable.
@michealrosen28 күн бұрын
Without Layla I'd spend so much time doing on wanderer, everytime he gets hit he loses time, also Layla adds 20 perfect crit dmg to him because she's cryo
@JustSkii28 күн бұрын
hu tao has access to xingqiu who gives her more than enough interruption to resistance, and as for lyney, his main resistance to interruption characters are both 5*s (xilonen and zhongli), but characters like thoma or dehya can still be played with him and generally be better than layla. And healing lately has risen a lot, and is way better than shielding thanks to mainly furina, but also the fact that there is more and more and more hp scallers that arent squishy, and a lot of characters either can easily dodge stuff during their uptime, like arlecchino, or have interuption to resistance in their kit, like mualani. (spoiler alert for 5.3!!!!!!) and to add salt to the wound there is a small little completly free character coming out next patch called lanyan, an anemo shielder, who makes layla pretty much worthless outside of wanderer teams because of VV (and dont get me started on citlali who makes layla worthless in general, as shes just insanely cracked as a cryo shielder)
@felipemendes533628 күн бұрын
Xingqiu doesn't give enough resistance to interruption like what, his resistance is worse than Dehya's, there is a reason why she was played with zhongli so much 💀. But thats besides the point, a shield is very valuable to a lot of characters and Layla has the best one among the 4* , healing is only better in furina teams and that's it, like the guy above mentioned characters like Wanderer feel miserable to play without a shield and if you don't have Zhongli she's really valuable. Like are we gonna drag Sucrose down because she's just a worse Kazuha/Xilonen ?. Nevermind the fact that Layla can be better than Zhongli in some comps. Your argument about characters making others worthless is actually worthless.
@JustSkii28 күн бұрын
@felipemendes5336 there is no comp where layla is better than zhongli, even wanderer, who is the only character who makes layla worth using, and he is mid at best, yes as a generic shielder shes more than enough but thats not what anyone needs, thats the main reason shields arent amazing anymore. And also xingqius interruption resistance is easily enough for tao, unless you get hit by literally every heavy attack you see. Also about the healing thing, the actual benefit of healing over shielding is that healers have a lot more supporting capabilities, with the best example being xilonen who gives a lot of healing, a shit ton of buffing AND interruption to resistance with the crystalize shields
@felipemendes533628 күн бұрын
@@JustSkii Ok your hutao argument just tells me you dont play this game and hurts my brain when i play her at C0 daily like stfu pls, the whole point of using a shield with her is that you WANT to face tank shit so her charge attacks dont get interrupted, so mine does 122k per CA so losing even a single one is a massive dps loss (remember my first comment) so you get hit by literally every heavy attack you see fkn genius. Same thing with the Xingqiu one, people realized that hes not enough the first month Hutao released, thats was a whole discussion tha people had that ended up with people agreeing that Zhongli was necessary instead of another more ofensive unit. Layla can be better in some Hutao teams depending on the enemy since she will freeze them allowing you to hit multiple enemies with your CA, just to show an example of the no comp where layla is better than zhongli thingy, again another gem of this comment. By your incredible logic Zhongli also has buffs AND has infinite interruption to resistance, (also puttin Xilonen as a unit for resistance to interruption with the crystalized shields is the most copium thing i ever seen). Heck before Furina people literally agreed tha Shields were better than healing since Healing by itsef didnt do anything and was overkill as defensive utility. I could go on but im losing braincells having to talk about things people discovered years ago so yeah.
@mhbarney849928 күн бұрын
1. I still have to disagree with Yunjin. Even if her buffs are not as big as others...this reasoning is kinda flawed. If you say that all 4 star buff units are D Tier because Benette exists. The Top 5 would make everyone D tier because its not on there level so why use them anyways? For what Yinjin provides she is at between B and A imo. 2. PLAY DPS FARUZAN. Please! She is the most fun Anemo DPS in the game and with C4 Jean she pops off. I even got the Chasca Bow for her. Try it please!
@Skyyw4lker28 күн бұрын
dori timestamp named as chiori..bro is so obessed with chiori ..
@ACatThatCantSing28 күн бұрын
As a kirara enjoyer, I used to use her on collei hyperbloom, and I think she's the comfiest last slot on an onfield nahida hyperbloom.
@Dipsy-rate28 күн бұрын
I agree as a mobile player I really need the shield and she fits the team perfectly
@aartiJagjivan28 күн бұрын
Hard agree! Using her right now with Nahida kuki and Xingqiu
@maevethefox591227 күн бұрын
At c4+ she's far and away my favourite Aggravate Dendro to play, and can do shocking personal damage.
@Dipsy-rate27 күн бұрын
@@maevethefox5912 i have her at c5 an i can do a 20k with hp build and with 8/63 crit ratio
@mulraf28 күн бұрын
As a fellow 4* enjoyer i approve of this list. Small changes i would make: - I think Yun Jin doesn't deserve D-Tier. Is she "the best" in a team? no. But is she "the best f2p / 4* option in a team"? Yeah, in a few teams i would say. She's great for yoimiya. She's great in mono geo. I used a Noelle / Gorou / Jun Yin / Fischl-Team for 36* Abyss a few times already. Not only does she provide her normal attack buff but also geo particles, resonance, her c6 increases normal attack speed (definitely helpful), favge. I would say she's at least B-Tier. - I have only built them to 70 yet so i may not be the best judge but i would bump Xinyan, Ningguang and Dori down one each, but since i havn't build them well or tried them a lot, i'll take the L and assume i might just be wrong here
@m3lvnn648628 күн бұрын
putting Dori above Layla is unacceptable
@TsuChan_28 күн бұрын
dori higher than sara yunjin and razon is also
@EinSilverRose28 күн бұрын
Both Dori and Layla are really good.
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Layla is just a sheilder with a small amount of buffing, Dori at c6 is an insane dps character and can compete with 5 stars such as cyno when in a furina team.
@Collei_Plush28 күн бұрын
C6 Dori smokes Layla, it is not even close
@Arrmorant28 күн бұрын
Just admit you don't know how to use a C6 Dori. She becomes an Electro Noelle that can take advantage of Furina, compare that to a cryo shield bot.
@kawaiimika797428 күн бұрын
40:30 ...This is beyond stupid. Girl, gaming is good in Rosaria Diona Melt in which C6 Bennett does NOTHING. He can enable Marechoussee for himself so Furina isn't mandatory, yes she's the comfiest but Xingqiu is perfectly serviceable. He doesn't need Xianyun AT ALL! Xianyun is only good of you have C6 Bennett and you want to add normal infused plunge attacks into his combos. Kazuha and Xilonen will be more than enough for him. He's a top tier 4 star and there is no arguing about it. Beidou wishes she was this good.
@LateefA51928 күн бұрын
yep gaming has so many teams now but people arent willing to research him for accurate information because they don't like plunging
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
@@LateefA519 Problem with that is c6 gaming is when he is meta, anywhere else and is sethos ninguang and yanfei level.
@LateefA51928 күн бұрын
@@AlwaysThirstys yh but he said himself at the start of the video that he's rating characters at c6
@juggernaut666628 күн бұрын
I wish kaveh was just designed as a nilou constelation like shenhe is for ayaka. Instead, they tried to make him a 4 star budget nilou, and it just failed.
@purp1e20028 күн бұрын
34:30 I use Yunjin all the time and I think you are downplaying Yunjin too much. Energy is literally never been a problem for me. Just give her a favonius lance and focus on building crit rate, def and ER. Since she only needs these stats to perfom at max when you max her out, she doesn't struggle with energy anymore. She is not that niche as people think. You can use her with Arlechino, Clorinde, Wriothesley, Noelle, Ayato, Mualani, Kinich, as well. Fun fact: C6 Yunjin buffs Yoimiya more than C6 Bennett There is no way she should be in the same tier as Amber.
@fishfox27 күн бұрын
I don't even use Fav Lance because my Yun Jin has non existent CR. Prototype gives more ER, so that would be better if you just care about the damage buffing. I'd bring Yun Jin up maybe at the bottom of niche tier because unfortunately adding normal attack damage is all she does. However, I wouldn't consider her in same tier as Amber or Kaveh.
@ACatThatCantSing28 күн бұрын
I honestly think Eakes is the most consistent and the most unbiased content creator when it comes to 4 stars. I've never seen this much variety and investment in four stars in most youtubers.
@waleedalarmanazi15928 күн бұрын
He is the streamer of the people, the f2p people
@Collei_Plush28 күн бұрын
Save the f2p society...Eakes!
@xi4nyun28 күн бұрын
Ran straight to the comments and wasn’t disappointed ppl were defending mother layla 🙂↕️🙂↕️🤭
@epicdarkraifournineone800628 күн бұрын
This is genuinely the first time I've seen a meta tier list that places Barbara correctly - nice job!
@doomedark28 күн бұрын
Full list at 1:05:39
@Dipsy-rate28 күн бұрын
Kirara is underrated you should definitely build her
@KingMasteron128 күн бұрын
3:33 that's not even true about Lisa. You only have to hold the skill until her inner expanding ring meets the outer ring (or when she gets a Burst of electricity around her) with only takes ~1.9-2.1 seconds, way under half time. It will still deal full damage, generate max particles, etc. Granted she does need a chunk of ER to be a burst bot unfortunately, but so does every other 4 star burst off fielder.
@latitude99028 күн бұрын
Playing Imaginarium Theater in the most chill manner has given me more appreciation for many of these units (like defensive utility of Xinyan/Barbara/Yanfei). Wonder when they're gonna add Cryo
@strelixias28 күн бұрын
Candace's best team is supporting Mualani and she's really really good in that team, definitely stronger than some of the characters in solid like Heizou and Ningguang tbh
@dvelsrt424228 күн бұрын
As AR 60 player, I use barbara everytime there is pyro shield, she shreds it instantly and she is budget kokomi
@Doksia473828 күн бұрын
As a Main Layla, I had use her in many teams, as a support and as a dps... And I must say, she is better than everyone thinks, why? Well, if you compare to Diona, which is pretty similar, Layla brings a bigger shield, a shield that you can have up all the time even at c0, she may not heal, but that is good in some cases, furthermore she applys a lot, and I mean a lot of cryo with her element skill and her ultimate, the trick is to generate more stars using more elemental skills on your team, for example she is so good in hiperbloom fridge team, example: with yae miko, because yae can use insta 3 elemental skills, ulti and other 3 elemental skills (wich generates more stars) and all of this as you mention, generates more energy for your team, for her damage, yes, you need c6... But she can provides with her c4 a pretty usefull buff to your charge attacks for your team, and since she scales with Hp, her buff is quite nice, the point here is, no, she is not S, but she is A
@BananLord28 күн бұрын
This is Gaming slander. Gaming does good even without Bennett and Kazuha (don't have/will never have Furina, idk about Xianyun). Gaming overload does so well, as well as vape and burn. My first 100k+ was Chevi overload on Hydro Tulpa (C6 Gaming + Yae Miko + a mid C6 Chevi + C0 Fischl). I use him as a burst dps with how much ER I have built. He bursts as soon as the 1st burst is done. He's amazing.
@LateefA51928 күн бұрын
not to even mention is absolutely game breaking melt teams with rosaria, diona or sucrose. C6 gaming does not need to have many steps to get to his final form he has a lot easy out of the box teams. He's amazing
@DaNiceGuy6 күн бұрын
Gaming was my first pyro dps, so I agree with you
@Cretoninu22 күн бұрын
More to add with Chevy is that she also adds elemental damage boost, and res shred equivalent to kazuha, effectively replacing bennett, kazuha and xilonen
@blessanabey557528 күн бұрын
Is Barbara the only 4 star with 5 star like burst animation?
@ItzkawaiiPlays28 күн бұрын
Yes
@communistravenn620128 күн бұрын
ngl Lisa's use case as a fischl aggravate driver puts her ahead of kaeya imo
@ACatThatCantSing28 күн бұрын
I think Sucrose is really good in terms of vv uptime, but the reason people don't use her is because she has to tank hits during her long skill animation. It's a bit like using klee. You need to either kill or stagger an enemy before they kill you. On teams that use xinqiu, who has high poise damage(Zajef take I know), her downsides are mostly covered.
@RulaNovelis28 күн бұрын
Have you seen speedruns of teams that use sucrose? She doesn't have field time cuz once she starts the animation for her skill, she can dash cancel that and the skill still continues. You can do the booking method to remove character swap cooldowns. So in fact, she has THE fastest VV applicator. It's not even close. Usage rates are just determined by how easy a character is to use on the most content. Or characters that give the least stress with the biggest benefit.
@Dext6928 күн бұрын
Also her swirling is like wierd. Sometimes she swirls nothing sometimes a random element which u do not want to swirl. Tldr she's a little clunky or else Kazuha and Sucrose literally has no difference except for the swirling and better grouping.
@ACatThatCantSing28 күн бұрын
@RulaNovelis Yeah my point exactly. I think sucrose is very underutilized as well due to the general playerbase not feeling comfy with her playstyle
@Kai-Hiwatari28 күн бұрын
Isn’t her animations faster than kazuha? She’s really popular in speedruns for that
@ACatThatCantSing28 күн бұрын
@Kai-Hiwatari from what my friends who use sucrose tell me, it's the fact that you need to dash cancel that makes her less brain dead than kazuha because you can get hit. But yeah I haven't kept up with speedrunning so idk
@bjornnilsson294128 күн бұрын
Wow I did not know Layla had such a strong following looking at the comments section in here lol. My problem with her has always been that she doesn't apply *enough* cryo to really be useful for melt or whatever (she is decent in mono cryo, but that's more of a meme than anything). Secondly her shield, while 100% uptime, has too short of a duration. This is kind of a problem for all shielders tho, except Zhongli. 12 seconds is the same as Diona and she heals and has a massive EM buff at c6, sure she has 3 sec of downtime without sac but her kit is just more stacked honestly. I think the placement is pretty fair. Maybe Razor, Chungus and Lynnette need to be below her tho.
@EinSilverRose28 күн бұрын
Layla applies just enough Cryo for some team comps. Namely the Nahida, Diluc, Layla and Barbara team which allows Diluc to trigger Burning, Melt and Vaporize. It does require C4 Layla but it's a pretty fun team regardless.
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
@@EinSilverRose Issue is that layla herself isn't good enough, you would rather replace layla with someone else like diona due to more buffing and already having a sustain. Adding on c4 layla is very bad, the only character who benefits from it is chasca because all her damage is fired instantly therefore getting all the buffs. For other characters it's like a 2%-5% dmg increase.
@SodiumWage25 күн бұрын
I feel like this whole Layla "controversy" is manufactured to drive channel engagement.
@epicdarkraifournineone800628 күн бұрын
Slight correction on Lisa: while holding her skill for the max duration does take quite a long time (something like the 4-5 seconds you said I think), you only need to wait about 2 seconds to release it: wait until the inner ring around her meets the outer ring. This makes her hold E a lot more practical to use to help with her energy needs. A 2 second cast time still isn't ideal but it's manageable. I hope this helps if/when you use her in the future!
@БожидарГогов-щ7д19 күн бұрын
For Kaveh I understand and moved on but when it came to Layla I couldn't take it anymore
@Anzzzuuu_27 күн бұрын
What do you mean Mika is higher than Yun Jin??? There's no way that happens
@IncineroarOnTop21 күн бұрын
This list is kinda mid like Tankfei over Kirara and Layla?? Mika over Yun Jin?? Razor and Dori in A?? 😭
@CherryblossomFoxx20 күн бұрын
Mika isnt a bad healer in Furina teams at the end of the day, so thag alone kinda bumps him up
@braedenaldridge845228 күн бұрын
Crazy that they made a couple of the starting characters so powerful. I just started the game a couple days ago on Xbox and I have the first the S Chars and the traveler as a place holder as my main team. Had no idea they were going to be some of the best to grow with me.
@justahetalian58528 күн бұрын
Finally someone who is not hating on Barbara. And her C6 can literally bring back ur dead character, even in abyss (only every 15 minutes) but its really really useful
@Alexis-888928 күн бұрын
Let's get Eakes to 100k before end of year!!!!! So close people,share,like and comment,just see what top quality content he brings!! Goated
@surja1728 күн бұрын
i like this cuz the tierlist is unbiased.
@Zaturn_3 сағат бұрын
Good video with just the right information I was looking for in 4 stars as a new player to Genshin.
@starmoral545628 күн бұрын
Ningguang is one of those characters that have gotten better with time. With new artifact sets like Nighttime Whispers and new units coming out like Xilonen, she's been getting a lot of good boosts to her damage. Could it be netter yes but hey, she can be a TURRET if you get down her playstyle. Solid is definitely her best place, considering she had to climb from bottom tier. Hopefully one day ge truly necomes the geo damage queen.
@J.sh_CDN26 күн бұрын
I like her in like a double geo quickstep with Navia. You are always swapping between them and making crystallize and hitting with hard skills and bursts, while having room for 2 more characters. Easily use Bennett and Furina for max boosting. Ninnguang can also use prototype amber if your Bennett doesn't have enough healing
@aamerpathan919828 күн бұрын
Lyla can hold a new event weapon that help to buff nuvillat and provide intraption
@rjplameras743528 күн бұрын
Layla and freminaet should be in the solid tier imo
@TheMoonestOne28 күн бұрын
About Faruzan, have you tried using her as a Main DPS? Like, one team I liked was Faruzan C6 on VV with DPS build, Fischl, Sigewinne and Furina. It's very fun, honestly!
@J.sh_CDN26 күн бұрын
I love DPS Faruzan, just buff your own anemo. I've run her with Furina, Jean, and Lynette as a near mono anemo I've run her with Bennett and Furina and whoever else as a hyper carry I've run her with double cryo as a freeze like team, furina as the hydro to freeze while you blast everyone You can use her with electro and dendro and aggravate while you pump out heavy anemo damage. So so so fun to play too
@foxwaffles28 күн бұрын
I started at the end of 4.6 so i dont have many five stars and most of my four stars are C0 so your videos have really helped me learn more about their potential and I've come to really appreciate them 😄 It's really such a shame with Kaveh, we have very few sources of off field dendro application so he could've done that but nah, another on field DPS it is 😵💫 He's one of my favorite designs and characters I wish i could make him viable
@TheValkyrieRising27 күн бұрын
There are some folks starting to play around with Shatter Bloom teams with him and having some decent results. I saw a Bilibili video of a CN player absolutely dominating the Magu Kenki trio from the recent event with him in what looked like a Shatter Bloom-ish type team
@gabriel2323028 күн бұрын
Beidou and Ningguang, if made today, definetly wouldn't be 4 stars (nor should they). Both girls are so proheminent in the history-line and plot development progression that in my honest opnion, they should be from the standand banner to begin with... Cuz although both are being kept from relevance for their personal numbers one doesn't even have a normal attack string to combo with hers, up to this day, unique catalyst geo attacks while the pirate girl if were to be, let's say, our free T5 banner from inazuma (which makes much more sense btw) this "upgraded" tier would justify her numbers being higher therefore standout performance/playstyle. - This is not favoritism or my personal liking, it's just coheesive narrative and gameplay.
@dvelsrt424228 күн бұрын
Lisa has a trick, u can release skill earlier it becomes around 2 sec and if she c6 she is great support i'll rate her A+
@zewraith130328 күн бұрын
barbara is goated with my nilou bloom. 1 press of the skill created like up to 4 blooms even more when there are more enemies
@CherryblossomFoxx20 күн бұрын
Candace is a better hydro unit for that team and if you want healer, you'd rather yaoyao
@zewraith130320 күн бұрын
@CherryblossomFoxx my barbara is my driver on the team. The team deals a tonne of front loaded blooms because of her
@CaGiBa0028 күн бұрын
Technically, now that shater has been buffed, Razor or Kaveh shatterbloom would be their best team and it is very solid. Not meta by any means, but still pretty good
@ealwenmz28 күн бұрын
shatterbloom razor? please gimme the trick📝
@CaGiBa0028 күн бұрын
@ealwenmz just use Razor in a team with Cryo/Hydro/Dendro and build Razor full EM
@ealwenmz28 күн бұрын
@@CaGiBa00 omgggg letsgoo. razor is already built full em given I use him in thundering furry but I had no idea shatterbloom was an option too! thanks a lot!
@BellaenDuHljodhr26 күн бұрын
I've tested both of them quite a bit and I don't see how. It's not much worse, but it is worse than their best teams. It also makes team ER requirements very high when they really need extra sub-DPS damage
@fuzyfuzfuz228 күн бұрын
YESSS!!!! I've been excited for this video!!!
@RealTypom28 күн бұрын
Freminet is really good as a Cryo DPS and I’m really happy to hear you mention that! Burnmelt really makes him great, especially with Emilie. As the #1 Freminet main, I approve this team 1000%!
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Imo his best team is fremiet, neuvilette, furina and kazuha.
@angelanice28 күн бұрын
I actually prefer Yaoyao over Baizhu especially with the weapon she got from the alchemy event that gives energy when they heal. I'm also loving my mostly 4 star team of Gaming/Bennett/Kachina/Xianyun cuz he has Navia's weapon so Kachina buffs him even more by giving him crystallize shields which also helps his survivability when he drops his HP lol
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Replace kachina with xinqiu and use a base attacks and you will do wayy more damage. You don't need him but he also provides 53% dmg reduction and 70% stagger res so as long as you can get his burst he's very comfy.
@memecat485328 күн бұрын
I agree with your tier list 100%. subscribed immediately
@CherryblossomFoxx20 күн бұрын
Candace is being undersold here. She actually has three decent comps. She's good in Nilou bloom, Arleccino vape and Mualani vape. She's one of the better options for some of those
@eightdaffodils28 күн бұрын
I started playing 2 months ago and I've been watching your videos since then as well, I love your energy ✨️ I don't know that I'm better but I've learned a lot :)
@raiknightshade344228 күн бұрын
YEEEESSSSS RESPECT FOR MY GIRL BABS!!! Can confirm she is ESSENTIAL to my Hyperbloom teams 10/10
@Deedeedee44426 күн бұрын
Everytime you make these tierlists for 4 stars, I check it out to see if you've finally given my girl Layla some credit, but still, she is getting none. Layla is amazing!!
@voidislost28 күн бұрын
im not going to argue about layla, i think her placement is completely valid after the reasoning that Eakes gave but i have a funny build on her and i use her pretty regularly because of one team lol. i have my layla on HP/HP/HP build on 4 blizzard and r5 harbinger of dawn and i play her purely on my hyperbloom team (nahida - xingqiu - kuki - layla) i just like the comfort that she gives me, my kuki has had less accidental deaths and shes able to squeeze some damage (like 2-4k usually) on the side while keeping the enemies frozen! (very helpful against the sumeru beasts especially) + her cool downs and all are pretty much a match made in heaven in that team in my experience ^^
@marinalima856228 күн бұрын
I use Layla as a subDPS with Emblem and Favonious Sword in every abyss, in Neuvillette teams. HP/HP/%Crit build... She's great.
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
Ppl kinda overrate her, she is good but so is every single shielder. Kirara thoma zhongli and the new ones lanyan and citlali will start to outpace her now. Kirara has more buffs better elements and a better shield ( better scaling shield absorption and finally base hp) Thoma has 80% better hp scaling compared to layla and zhongli is just her but better. While she may not be that much worse that the issue, she is so easily replaced while thoma has burgeon, kirara has clorinde, and zhongli has everyone.
@reklasproductions28 күн бұрын
You're not boring Kachina. Who else can cart around the world and easily go up the side of cliffs as well as Kachina. Let alone easily smaching crystals along the way. Not everyone needs to be Furina levels of broken in Abyss. Kachina has tons of potential in the overworld and is a lot of fun.
@natewalker979024 күн бұрын
Appreciate the updated list. I just hit AR58 and have been going back and cleaning up some of my old builds and deciding which 4 stars to level up to 90 and upgrade artifacts.
@kamfuku25 күн бұрын
This was a HUGE help, thanks a ton Monsieur Eakes 💯
@alephcentauri28 күн бұрын
get this man to 100k. if there's anyone who deserves it, its him.
@wizart724928 күн бұрын
Beidou is kinda lore accurate... Mine can stand against raiden and eat her attacks with ease...I love the parry
@Trash_editz88817 күн бұрын
1:18 what was that...?
@gabriel2323028 күн бұрын
Freminet should have been HYDRO element... The diver would/could basically function in the same teams and be played in this Shatter/freeze kinda gameplay too while not, as strong as xingqiu, but a solid Hydro Claymore onfielder DPS imho. A perfect 4 star to represent Fontaine, the hydro nation...
@haseulmybeloved113427 күн бұрын
I'm mad with Layla's placement, shes easily solid. If youre a mobile player you really appreciate having a shield. There are a good amount of characters who kinda need a shield, Lyney, Yanfei, Wanderer just to name a few. Cryo app has never ruined reactions for me, so I figure it's not that big of a problem. And at C4 she buffes NA and CA, so she's extra useful for Yanfei, Lyney and even Neuvillete.
@lucas-uu8lw24 күн бұрын
Layla in B is actually criminal,she is currently the second best shielder in the game and is a good unit who has a good cryo aplication"oh but all she does is provide shields" yes you mf,that's the point,ever tried playing in mobile and dodging attacks with characters like Hu tao or Wanderer who don't want to get interrupeted or dodge? "Oh but Zhongli is better",this is a 4 star tier list
@bushy978028 күн бұрын
beidou and thoma S tier. goated tier list
@ipsumlorem307628 күн бұрын
Best vibes and energy of any genshin content creator! And the content is awesome!
@krummesblech28 күн бұрын
I think Heizou is only one tier below Succrose not two. He still has VV, he still gives EM to the Team, and then you have a good Driver for Yelan, Furina, Beidou Fischl, Ororon, National ec. And Furina and Yelan still buffs DMG % wich can‘t use Succrose well with an EM build, but Heizou can use it
@cybersaber87728 күн бұрын
The thing is that's ONE team out of the hundreds that exist where sucrose is so much better, and there are still better options for drivers of double hydro, like raiden, hu tao, and arlecchino even, to the point where the gap in value between them in general is too big
@krummesblech28 күн бұрын
Heizou is not a pure DPS, he‘s more a mix between Driver, Support & DPS. So its Not really Fair to compare him with Arlecchino or HuTao. He‘s basically a worse Sidegrade to Succrose. He‘s a strong 4* Character but Succrose is busted, but that makes him still not bad or mid. Its you would Say HuTao is 2 class below Arlecchino just because she’s a bit better
@totallynotpaul62119 күн бұрын
3:34 the amount of people who still don't realize you only need to hold Lisa's skill for 1.9 seconds. It activates automatically after 4, but that doesn't mean it does anything extra. A lot of abilities let you hold them for a while but eventually just shoot off, so I dunno why for Lisa specifically people think that means you HAVE to hold until it goes off on its own.
@SomeoneSayOri28 күн бұрын
No mention of Mualani with Candace?
@Forakus28 күн бұрын
Layla is a better Zhongli in a lot of teams. Geo is always bad, but having cryo can be amazing in some situations. She also generates more particles, more reliably, and can even do decent dps.
@hruaiaralte182828 күн бұрын
layla is not better alternative in any meta team that i can think of except some speedrun of arlechhino (they will use Charlotte anyway) . Layla shield lasting only for only 12 sec means you can shield during your setup or you will only shield the dps for like 5 sec . Layla shield is just lesser than zhongli , layla doesn't provide 20% universal resistance shred . Okay we both know zhongli is better there is no reason to drag this out , but layla is one of the best alternative tho interms of pure shielding but now with the rise of furina shielder are getting less and less popular only zhongli see regular play
@AlwaysThirstys28 күн бұрын
@@hruaiaralte1828 The NA/CA dmg boost is close to useless for anybody but chasca, without that she is just a sheild, and not even the best shield when that is all layla can do, legit zhongli outclasses her completely and her use cases are never optimal. Even kirara does more, layla has on average a 18k shield while kirara has a 20k and zhongli a 24k shield. LEGIT KIRARA IS BETTER AND ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER BUFF AND ELEMENT. Not ONLY THAT THOMAS SHEILD EVEN HAS BETTER SCALINGS AT 35% hp% vs 19% shield scaling. All of you glazing layla need to stop, she is just mid.
@hruaiaralte182828 күн бұрын
@AlwaysThirstys when did i glaze layla , i said she is pretty decent shielder that have a short uptime (so you can't really shield during your setup) and her application is no where enough unless you for some reason play her in freeze she can elevate some er . Kirara is a better shielder but they are pretty much the same but c6 kirara is just better . Like i said only zhongli is worth using interms of shielding unless if you have zhongli especially if you have furina it js better to just run healer
@BellaenDuHljodhr26 күн бұрын
This list (and some testing) made me realize how hard my team cores were carrying Kaveh and Freminet, and how little they contribute in them
@maevethefox591227 күн бұрын
I'm 100% a Layla fan, who had no idea Layla had so many other fans. Also Lisa is just ... massively more useful than Ningguang, at bare minimum. Hakushin Lisa is remarkably good for shred in Neuvillette teams.
@BloodyVeel2 күн бұрын
WTF Double standarts ! Either rate them equal or don't ! For 1 character its okey to have best in slot for others no !
@NeberusBeta28 күн бұрын
Can’t argue amber, but if you want break ice shields fast, her ultimate is the best 😂
@paulciuta32928 күн бұрын
Nah, gaming doesn't need just C6 Bennett, xianyun and furina, try melt with double cryo, kauzha and cryo, sucrose and cryo and many more, he is the most powerful on field 4* dps, he can even fight 5*
@commonsensessbu438028 күн бұрын
Eakes whilst I agree with ur placement of gaming what u said about isn't really true at all. After getting over the difficult challenge of getting c6 gaming himself gaming has so many teams and isn't tied to xianyun or furina at all. He kinda really needs bennet but he definitely does not need him at c6 even if its kinda helpful.
@@commonsensessbu4380 Er, why is Chevy in that team with Furina and Xianyun? She won't meet either of her base passives in that team, and only give the gradual damage buff at C6.
@shadowrkz252520 күн бұрын
Layla with 4pc tenacity isn't bad at all. I'm currently using with Chasca. Also, she is broken against one of the new local legends. That legend is so broken if there is no cry shield.