Easiest Grind to Sharpen in the Field IMHO

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William Collins

William Collins

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@grantglenndale152
@grantglenndale152 9 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best video I have seen on in the field sharpening. Thank you.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks!
@Lars1540
@Lars1540 9 жыл бұрын
Well said William. I completely agree with your logic. Makes complete sense.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks
@dennisleighton2812
@dennisleighton2812 2 жыл бұрын
Thank G ...oodness! Some common sense for a change! I have been ranting about this for ages on KZbin, so it's nice to feel vindicated. The only thing I differ about is this: One CAN sharpen the Scandi in the field, but chances are it won't be a Scandi by the time you're done (as you rightly point out). In fact I'd go so far as to say even in the workshop many would find it very difficult to sharpen a Scandi PROPERLY. So for me this is THE most difficult. [The knife you showed has a very nice even curve, so that makes it easier, but many Scandis have a straight edge for 2/3 of the length then a sharp sweep curve up to the tip. This creates all sorts of issues to keep it exactly flat round that curve, even for a seasoned knifemaker. I doubt I'd be able to do it consistently perfectly. In the field, I'd say it's highly unlikely it could be done properly,] BTW, you don't mention hollow grind blades, but they do fit into the same category as the flat/sabre grinds. Convex grinds are difficult but a bit mare forgiving of small errors, unlike Scandi. Thanks again William for your explanation.
@jamesgreen4522
@jamesgreen4522 9 жыл бұрын
I agree with your thinking to a point. In the field I only worry about a sharp edge and do not worry about the profile. I can repair the profile when I get back home.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
james green Appreciate the view and comment.
@kullcraven
@kullcraven 9 жыл бұрын
I have used a stone many times on my bush point . It works well. you made alot of sense and good info. Thanks for sharing.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Kullcraven Bushcraft Very welcome. Appreciate the view and comment.
@PREPFORIT
@PREPFORIT 9 жыл бұрын
Very good info for maintaining a good edge.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
PREPFORIT Thanks!
@TrailWright
@TrailWright 9 жыл бұрын
As a novice knife person very enlightening, thanks!!
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Bob Cotter Very welcome. Appreciate the view and comment.
@PrimalOutdoors
@PrimalOutdoors 9 жыл бұрын
Very useful information thank you. Jason
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Primal Outdoors Thanks Jason.
@rickgroshong250
@rickgroshong250 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service, sir.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Rick Groshong My pleasure....well most of the time it was. Thanks!
@commonsensecamper
@commonsensecamper 9 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. Very well done!
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Common Sense Camper Thanks!
@MarkRuslinzski
@MarkRuslinzski 5 жыл бұрын
Great video William
@SoapAcademy
@SoapAcademy 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanation.
@jerrymorris1527
@jerrymorris1527 9 жыл бұрын
Great explanation William. Are the old Arkansas stones any good in your opinion?
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Jerry Morris They are fine just watch the surface of the stone and see how it is wearing. All natural materials will wear with use. Appreciate the view and comment.
@Wingman115
@Wingman115 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining..
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
***** Welcome, appreciate the view.
@drcsep
@drcsep 9 жыл бұрын
GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO WC. GRACIAS
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Carlos Sepulveda Thanks!
@423alonso
@423alonso 9 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you brother....
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
423alonso Appreciate the view and comment.
@JBCaudillKnives
@JBCaudillKnives 9 жыл бұрын
Yep, a perfectly flat stone and a perfect technique to sharpen a scandi. I'd say they are plenty of knives that used to be scandi and after sharpening is something other than a scandi. I like my thin flat grinds too William.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
James Bradley Nothing like a thin flat grind. Appreciate the view and comment.
@AguyInaus
@AguyInaus 9 жыл бұрын
Another really helpful presentation. Obvious once you point it out.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Aguy Inaus Thanks!
@AguyInaus
@AguyInaus 9 жыл бұрын
A pleasure.My son and I really enjoy our videos and are saving up to buy one of those wonderful knives you make......
@brindle2009
@brindle2009 9 жыл бұрын
thanks for the info
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
brindle2009 Welcome!
@paulie4x1
@paulie4x1 8 жыл бұрын
Say Heah William, So on the Master Woodsman, Eventually the Master Woodsman would end up with a micro Bevel even on the Scandi part of the blade right ? But that will also make a Scandi Grind stringer too, Right ?
@wcknives
@wcknives 8 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't get a micro bevel unless you do not follow the same angle. Micro bevels is a bevel that is made intentionally.
@paulie4x1
@paulie4x1 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, I see, That makes sense. Yes I change angles on my micro's that's right.
@drcsep
@drcsep 9 жыл бұрын
William. What's your preference bench type knife sharpening stone? Grit? Brand name? It would be helpful if you could provide a video discussing the difference among grits and stones. Gracias
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Carlos Sepulveda I did a few months back. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6Cuq4d-ppiLa6M
@paulie4x1
@paulie4x1 8 жыл бұрын
Say Heah William, Thanx, Good vid. ,, .
@05generic
@05generic 9 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks. Wouldn't a hollow grind with a secondary/micro bevel fall into the easy category?
@bwillan
@bwillan 9 жыл бұрын
05generic I would think any knife grind that has a secondary/micro bevel will fall into the easier to sharpen category. I put a secondary bevel on one of my mora knives for this reason. It touches up really quick with a couple strokes on my ceramic honing rod.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
05generic Yes it would. I just don't have any. Appreciate the view and comment.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
bwillan Yes a micro secondary bevel on a scandi does strengthen the edge and allows for easier touch up in the woods. Problem occurs when you need more than just a touch up. Appreciate the view and comment.
@sdsrider4life
@sdsrider4life 9 жыл бұрын
With the exception of scandi(and a lot of good puukko makers put a microbevel on them) full flat with a small secondary edge is a breeze even very alloyed steel (A11 10v ect) is a breeze to sharpen when very little material needs removed ... lots of folks have a bear if a time because there sharpening blades that left the factory crowbar thick behind the edge
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Derick Puff Yep, I discuss blade edge geometry in many of my videos, in fact I did it in one a few days ago, and also show how to put a micro edge on a scandi in my "How I sharpen a Scandi" video. Appreciate the view and comment.
@mistermatsuda
@mistermatsuda 8 жыл бұрын
Even if you have a proper sharpening stone, the FF would be easier to sharpen than the Scandi once you know what you're doing. People think Scandi because they only have to follow the bevel for alignment but actually hitting the whole bevel at belly to tip is a pain. Once you get used to sharpening at a 15, 20, 25 degree angle on an FF, you'd breeze through the task and it will save a lot of time, stone material and it will be sharper because all things being equal and made right, it should be the thinner of the 2.
@wcknives
@wcknives 8 жыл бұрын
I agree, appreciate your view and thoughts.
@nickd2458
@nickd2458 6 жыл бұрын
People chose scandi bc of blade geometry it is designed to remove massive amounts of material with ease..I have ff..saber..fc..scandi vex...but...I think the real lesson in people should take away from this video is don’t EVER go into the woods bc..wtf...you just do...I mean it’s like $15 for a pocket stone...
@pauledmonds7316
@pauledmonds7316 Жыл бұрын
THANK GOODNESS!! I have really wondered why it is that 'bushcraft' knives always have scandi grinds and Bushcrafters seem to insist on them, saying that they are easier to sharpen. Yeah, I will accept that they are likely to be fairly easy to sharpen..... but in the field? I have surmised that most bushcrafters are only ever out in the wilds for, at the most, a few days at a time and so they sharpen up at home before they go, and resharpen when they get home. But suppose you're out longterm? A full-size wetstone is going to be a lot of extra weight to carry, and where are you going to find a perfectly flat and stable surface to place your stone AND keep it steady?? The likelyhood is that you will only be carrying a small hand-held stone. My conclusion, from experience and a purely practical standpoint, is that scandis are NOT the most practical knife to take out into the field. I have found that flat and hollow grinds are the best, easiest to sharpen, and most practical knives to have with you in the wild. Thanks for an excellent and informative video.
@ChrisWilkesSurvival
@ChrisWilkesSurvival 9 жыл бұрын
Why not demonstrate with river rocks? Wouldn't keeping the knife stationary and working the rock mean a scandi could be sharpened with a small stone? I almost exclusively use rods to sharpen.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Chris Wilkes Did not have any river rocks to demonstrate with. Also finding a flat one would have been an impossible task around here. Rods are fine. Rod is round but the sharpening stroke surface is flat. Appreciate the view and comment.
@MotoJunkie23
@MotoJunkie23 5 жыл бұрын
You don't need anything "soft" to sharpen a convex knife. A convex edge is the most natural way of sharpening anything. If you take anything and grind it against a rock you will get a convex edge because of the natural rocking motion your hands will make. Since the stone age any sharp tool has had a natural convex edge. Try taking a chunk of anything and grinding it against a rock until its sharp and see what you get. I'll give you a hint, it won't be a full flat grind, it won't be scandi, it won't be sabre, and it sure as hell won't be hollow ground. It will naturally be a convex grind.
@wcknives
@wcknives 5 жыл бұрын
Only if you use a rocking motion as you stated or if your stones are not perfectly flat. If you do not use a rocking motion, trained properly and keep good flat stones, I prefer diamond coated metal ones, then yes you will keep a perfect V grind. Have a perfect V grind still on all my knives and they have been sharpened by hand for a long time.
@MotoJunkie23
@MotoJunkie23 5 жыл бұрын
@@wcknives I'm not saying you can't keep a v edge with stones, of course you can. But it takes more skill and concentration to keep the blade at that exact angle no matter what stone you use. You implied in the video that you can't sharpen a convex grind with a normal wet stone or just a stone found in the river because it has to be soft. That is not at all correct. It's much easier to sharpen convex on any stone than any other grind or edge geometry. Due to the natural hand motion.
@wcknives
@wcknives 5 жыл бұрын
MotoJunkie23 for me it is more difficult to learn the rocking motion to keep a convex edge with stones. So I think it depends on the individual skill and how they were trained. Yes I have a video on how to rock a stone to sharpen a convex with stones.
@MarkRuslinzski
@MarkRuslinzski 5 жыл бұрын
Hi William, Mark here, i watched your video atleast 5 times and now understand so a saber grind would be my go to and let me ask i could use a pull sharpener on that am i right or wrong ?
@wcknives
@wcknives 5 жыл бұрын
For most knives. Depends on the edge angle. The industry standard is 22.5 degree bevel for the cutting edge and the pull sharpeners are designed for that angle. My knives are 11.5 for better cutting and control. Pull sharpeners will not work with my knives.
@franotoole2702
@franotoole2702 4 жыл бұрын
You can but the problem with pull sharpeners is that they tend to make uneven bevels and remove alot of steel compared to a stone. You rarely have to sharpen a knife. Only if its damaged or the edge rolled. But you strop little and often to maintain an edge. Remember everytime you sharpen your knife you remove steel, therefore shortening the size of your knife.
@scottsmith6571
@scottsmith6571 6 жыл бұрын
What sharpening stone do you recomind
@wcknives
@wcknives 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite brand and most used stone. www.knifecenter.com/item/EZLCD4/EZE-LAP-Super-Fine-DiamondCeramic-Combination-Pocket-Stone-with-Sheath
@paulie4x1
@paulie4x1 8 жыл бұрын
Say Heah William, What about a High Scandi Grind, remember, we're talking in a emergency survival situation. , That's why a DC 4 or a DC 3 are easy to carry, and can be carried on the sheath. But a smooth river stone in a emergency, so it won't be a scandi but more like a Saber ?
@wcknives
@wcknives 8 жыл бұрын
+paulie 4x My point was if you loose your sharpening equipment. What then?
@paulie4x1
@paulie4x1 8 жыл бұрын
Got it.
@dragon3831
@dragon3831 5 жыл бұрын
In time though, you will need to reprofile the saber and full flat which you can't do in the field either
@wcknives
@wcknives 5 жыл бұрын
dragon3831 if you can find a flat enough rock you can.
@wcknives
@wcknives 5 жыл бұрын
dragon3831 concrete block or brick work great if they are in field.
@protoyz7405
@protoyz7405 9 жыл бұрын
i use a spyderco double stuff in the field. i can prolly touch up all edges you showed with that...
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
pro Toyz I was responding to someones question about using natural sources found in the wilds such as a river rock if you were to loose your sharpening equipment. Appreciate the view and comment.
@protoyz7405
@protoyz7405 9 жыл бұрын
ok, i totally agree with your opinion then. if you had to resort to natural resources you could still microbevel the other grinds as your last option.
@josephsi6926
@josephsi6926 7 жыл бұрын
Basically they are all the same to sharpen with a rock but they will all get convexed.
@wcknives
@wcknives 7 жыл бұрын
Joseph SI don't agree for the reasons stated in the video but appreciate your view.
@josephsi6926
@josephsi6926 7 жыл бұрын
William Collins I'm not an expert by any means. Just what my brain put together. Really like the style of your videos and knives! Thank you
@ThePatriot4freedom
@ThePatriot4freedom 9 жыл бұрын
agreed
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
ThePatriot4freedom Thanks!
@RcFlyer49
@RcFlyer49 9 жыл бұрын
Hard to disagree with that logic.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
PiperCub49 Thanks!
@jamesaritchie2
@jamesaritchie2 9 жыл бұрын
I flatten my sharpening stones every week. Doesn't everyone? And that is NOT know any of the experts I know sharpens a convex. And doesn't everyone take their own sharpening stones into the wilderness with them? Everyone I know does. For that matter, there are other ways to sharpen a knife using a river stone other than long strokes like that. At least three other very good techniques, and perhaps more that I don't know. We'll just have to disagree, I guess. I haven't found it difficult at all to keep any knife razor sharp in the wild, even with river stones. You just have to know more than one technique. So I take the edge I most like, not the edge that's "easiest" to sharpen. I hate micro bevels on most knives. They're unnecessary, and don't give you full advantage of all the blade can do. Scandi and convex are both ridiculously easy to maintain in the field, even with river rocks, and no other edge approaches these two for most uses.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
James Ritchie That is wonderful to know. Wish you would do a video on how this is done with river stones. Just goes to show everyone can learn something new. Appreciate the view and comment.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
James Ritchie Also this was in response to someones question in a forum. Question was, if you lost your sharpening equipment in the wilds which grind was the easiest to maintain using materials available? The person asking the question specifically mentioned river stones. Sorry I thought I was clear on this in the video.
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
William Collins Let me explain as I stated in the video you can sharpen any grind using river stones. The problem is to resharpen some grinds like true scandi's and convex grinds without changing the grind. The difficulty was finding flat stones to maintain a true scandi edge.
@spacecat86
@spacecat86 9 жыл бұрын
agreed
@wcknives
@wcknives 9 жыл бұрын
Connor McKee Thanks!
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