East vs. West Cold War Warriors | Tank Chats | The Tank Museum

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This display of Cold War Warriors from TANKFEST 2019 features the T72, Leopard PRTL, Chieftain, Leopard 1, M103, Challenger 1 and the M60, with commentary by Curator David Willey.
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[@jkhan337]

Great to see Commander Rick in the Leopard. Guess he got off that space Station lol

[@Moonhermit-]

Some serious tank flexing right here.

[@FinTank02]

Just what I like to see on a Friday afternoon...

[@kevkfz5226]

Great to see the m103. What a beast. Have to do a heavy metal tank fast and get all the heavies out, Conq, m103, Churchill , tiger, IS3.

[@therenumerator9198]

The History Guy, just a helping hand at the end.

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

The Renumerator that’s me! Always lending a hand!

[@waffleman6.067]

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Oh that's why you were in the UK a couple of weeks ago.

[@therenumerator9198]

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel LOL, thought it was. You look good in a tank.

[@iwanebbing4944]

The PRTL (Pantser Rups Tegen Luchtdoelen/ Armered Track Anti Airtargets) was jokingly called the "pruttel". An onomatopoeia for a rough running engine.

[@Lumberjackk]

Iwan Ebbing Lets pruttellllllll!! 😂😂

[@_Matsimus_]

Awesome!

[@AverageOhioan1903]

I’m surprised nobody commented on this yet

[@madman19931612]

"A bit of a lemon of a tank" This is exactly the type of content I subscribed for

[@bofoenss8393]

When life gives you lemon you make tank wrecks in the desert.

[@gunner678]

The unmistakable squeak and roar of the Chieftain. My first service memories on Salisbury Plain and Germany of columns of these beasts billowing smoke. One couldn't but be impressed.

[@k4plaa637]

Really good idea to use all that footage from the weekend and couple it with David’s commentary, great to relive the best tank fest yet😃👍

[@Brother_Nihilus]

Would've liked more Soviet and Warsaw Pact tank. But great display of tanks!

[@FieldMarshalFry]

The Tank Museum in general is lacking in Soviet tanks, they say as much in the SU-76 video

[@Rauschgenerator]

The German Panzer Museum in Munster is very well equipped with Sovjet tanks as the GDR army "Nationale Volksarmee" completely merged with the west German army in 1990, giving them all kinds of Sovjet tanks. The museum even has a youtube channel, most videos in German language, but several in English as well: kzbin.info Or just go to the English channel of the museum: kzbin.info

[@zepter00]

Bobingron should exchamge something and take T-55AM from Poland and PT-91 Twardy

[@vaclav_fejt]

Le wild History Guy appears.

[@Akm72]

Cheers, I was trying to remember who he was!

[@james.black981]

Absolutely hanging out with anticipation on what his top 5 tanks are and why.

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

James Black they certainly have a History Guy flair!

[@james.black981]

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel nice, wouldn't expect anything less than that! 🇦🇺👍

[@tecnaman9097]

Who else would wear a bow tie in a tank!.

[@wtfbuddy1]

Great Video - been on exercise and operational tours and sitting in a trench watching these roll by was impressive. Good job keeping historical tanks running so crowds can enjoy.

[@Trigg3rHippie]

Saw the last day of Tankfest, amazing experience. I love that distinctive Chieftain "wounded elephant bull" engine sound.

[@inisipisTV]

Can't wait for The History guy to do his Top 5.

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

inisipisTV me too!

[@ritchie799]

A very detailed overview of the cold war period and the specific vehicles in the forefront. As an old and bold cold war soldier it did bring back so many memories. My thanks for yet another high quality video keeping our history alive.

[@RJM1011]

GREAT video thank you to David and everybody. :)

[@jamestheotherone742]

@3:00 OH NOES! The Gepard (Pee Zed something something) is on fire! Looked amazingly like an early PC tank simulator game of a tank being KO'ed. lol

[@MrSpirit99]

I have seen the Gepard in action once. When I was in the German army (army aviation) we had one on display and organized a fly by of 2 Phantoms. Was pretty impressive. The Gepard started tracking them before you could hear them. The rate of fire is also something else. Against our BO 105 it was pretty useless in automatic mode, it didn't even register them, only way was to put the tracking system to manual.

[@MegaSmouke]

I think ZSU-23-4 Shilka has better design, but weaker radar, compare to Gepard. Keep 4 guns in the middle of the tower is better idea than keep 2 guns on sides. It creates much more dense fire rate.

[@HingerlAlois]

@@MegaSmouke The guns of the Gepard fire much larger ammunition (35x228mm vs. 23x152mm ammunition), it makes no sense to fit more than two of those guns on the vehicle.

[@MegaSmouke]

@@HingerlAlois to my opinion there are no much sence in so large ammunition. 23x152 will also destroy any aicraft if hit the target, but fire rate will be higher, what increases chances to hit the target. But 35x228 probably can hit target on higher altitude, due to larger ammunition. Still chances to hit will be even lower with higher altitude, so in it's range ZSU-23-4 is still better.

[@HingerlAlois]

@@MegaSmouke The 35mm guns have round about twice the effective range and they also have some decent armored piercing ammunition, which allows them to destroy IFVS etc. if necessary.

[@MegaSmouke]

@@HingerlAlois indeed, 35 mm is more effective against IFVS, 23 mm is also still pretty good against IFVS, except probably heavy ones. But the main goal of both is to be anti-aircraft weapon, rather than anti IFVS. And still ZSU-24-4 has higher fire density than Gepard. You can compare ZSU-24-4 with another russian 2K22 Tunguska which has more Gepard like design, and it's very uneffective against aircrafts and helicopters if use just guns (it also has a rockets). I understand that higher calibre helps sometime, but othertime fire density is more important, especially against fast targets, like aircrafts and helicopters.

[@jasonz7788]

Great work Sir thank you

[@pvdneste]

PRTL in Dutch means: "Pantser Rups Tegen Luchtdoelen". Which roughly translates to: armoured (Pantser), tracked (Rups) vehicle against (Tegen) airborne targets (Luchtdoelen. We called it "Pruttel" because the rate of fire resembles a cooking something on the stove when it is 'bubbling' :-)

[@fuckoffyou]

Tank you for this video.

[@malcolmheather3204]

Kids doing cartwheels in bottom left corner of screen at 9.15-20. Very cool. Great vid as always. Thanks David.

[@lowandslowga]

Such a great video!!! You guys always put out amazing footage and information!! I hope one day I can get over there for tankfest from canada

[@outrodrift814]

8:52 people doing some kart wheels

[@Sean_Coyne]

As always, tanks a lot! :-)

[@allenatkins2263]

Tanks a lot!

[@jackzimmer6553]

The History Guy at Bovington tank museum! Wish I was there!!

[@mikedegeus4371]

I love that prtl. Beautiful vehicle.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Kind of a touching story about the Challenger I. I bet those workers were thrilled.

[@sarjim4381]

Stunning lineup indeed. Almost all the various cold war runners on display, what appears to be lovely weather, sunny if a bit "breezy", and some weird guy popping out of the turret right at the end. It looks like they'll let just about anyone climb into one of their tanks. :-)

[@rvail136]

Very nice video. Love the closing with @TheHIstoryGuy

[@bluef1sh926]

Oh wow. I didn't expect to see TheHistoryGuy here :)

[@rebsredone450]

What a horrible mistake it was to retire those Gepard SPAAGs.

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

In fairness to those who made the decision, Germany isn't being bombed that heavily at the moment

[@darthcalanil5333]

@@zxbzxbzxb1 and I thought there was programs for such variable tank types based on the Leo2 since you know, leo1 not exactly up to date compared to say a Leo2A7

[@rebsredone450]

ZB6 uk: These vehicles were never meant to protect the country from bombers. They are meant to protect mechanized forces. And now we are supposed to consider defending Germany, or more likely Lithuania or Poland with hardly any accompanying air defense for our combat units....

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

@@rebsredone450 I know, was just making a slightly tongue in cheek remark. There are some Gepards in storage aren't there, so they could be deployed if events necessated. Isn't somebody trying to build a replacement vehicle using the Mantis turret? Get that online and Gephards can be consigned to museums in total safety :)

[@rebsredone450]

ZB6 uk: Facetiousness I do not understand. No humor have we Germans that we know of. It is never easy to bring systems which have been out of service back to fighting condition. The Automotive side is doable, since there are still some Leo 1-based vehicles out there. Breathing new life into old fire control, RADAR and communication systems is a nightmare, if there is no ample stock of parts. In many cases you won’t even be able to by electronics or spare parts any more. From what I have seen of the MANTIS system, I doubt it will be an easy task to turn that into a SPAAG. The gun seems to be good, but the rest of the system is not designed for mobility. In any case it always takes much longer to develop systems like than industry promises it will. You bring those developmental systems to the proving ground, you find all kinds of flaws and these companies will run to the politicians with the cry that the proving grounds are testing to hard. And ofc there is no money in the budget either.

[@russwoodward8251]

Very nice presentation.

[@Daniel-S1]

Thanks.

[@MichaelD-fn5lv]

Subbed b/c of thehistoryguy. Glad I stumbled upon this, what a great video!

[@blackbird8632]

This channel is awesome, do check out the rest of it.

[@GlennHamblin]

Thanks history guy.

[@michaelscaplis]

Cool to see the history guy there at the end 👍

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

Pascal Michiels it was cool to climb into a Leopard!

[@michaelscaplis]

The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered Well if you’re ever in Belgium, I’ll get you a ride in the one of the Gunfire museum 😉 Looking forward to your tank top 5 episode.

[@mikefoster6018]

Great video.

[@alwayscurious3357]

The day will come when we will see the M1 Abrams there...

[@Ali-gk3xy]

You know your a good tank when you retire to the tank museum.

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

@@Ali-gk3xy Like the Vickers Mark VI :)

[@PitFriend1]

It’s not like there are tons of surplus ones lying around now. The thing has been in service since 1980.

[@evanroberts2771]

@@Ali-gk3xy Lol, EVERY TANK the museum can get their hands on, they do. It doesn't make them good.

[@Ali-gk3xy]

@@evanroberts2771 K

[@Filmpilot]

But we all knew the “Fulda Gap Scenario” was never going to happen. I can still remember the Gen 1 full face nvgs flying noe bounding overlay practice, avoiding the ZSU-23/4 threat profile in the guard after ETS. Good Show!

[@michaelsalt4565]

We set up an OP whilst on exercise in northern Germany once, then a battery of West German Gepards decided to locate next to us. Fantastic bit of kit. Then some Luftwaffe C160 s flew over and the Gepards opened with up blanks, what a racket they made. Unforgettable moment

[@Kalumbatsch]

That thing is downright scary if you look at the response time and the degree of automation.

[@tankolad]

While the Tank Museum is obviously a British museum with a focus on British tanks, or at least tanks of the Western Allies and NATO in general, it would be very nice to see more content about the Soviet stuff. There's obviously a language barrier with the manuals and whatnot, but I'm sure that there is no shortage of people willing to help out. I wouldn't hesitate at all, myself.

[@james.black981]

Love seeing the Soviet tank chats!

[@grahamariss2111]

Sad not to see a Conqueror with the Centurion, Chieftain and Challenger.

[@thomasgreen3054]

Chieftain*

[@badcornflakes6374]

Not Capitalistic enough

[@jamestheotherone742]

@5:45 The USMC just keeps equipment in service far longer than the Army does. The Marines kept the M-60s because they could ford and snorkel. You can't snorkel a turbine powered M-1. They requested to keep the M-103s because they wanted an assault tank (you know for amphibious assaults).

[@jonnybravo3055]

The US Marines were using Cobra Helicopters well after all other branches were using Apache. Think the still use them ?. Same with the M16 rifle. The marines were using M16 while the army switched to the M4.

[@topsecret1837]

Jonny Bravo They had their reasons unless the new equipment was absolutely an advantage over the preceding equipment without any drawbacks. It’s practical thinking in a nutshell. You get what you need and only you can use tanks, rifles, or field rations the right way.

[@jamestheotherone742]

@@jonnybravo3055 I'm not sure what your point is. The Marines still don't use the Apache and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the M-16.

[@jamestheotherone742]

Oh also (as an addendum) the 105mm gun could fire a whole bunch of different ammo that is more relevant to supporting infantry (HE, WP, Smoke, etc.) than the 120mm that only had KE and HEAT.

[@Lapeno1984]

What a nice Chief with 3 MoE :D

[@shadowraith1]

Interesting, thanks.

[@Calum_S]

Bonus History Guy cameo at the end.

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

Calum Spencer bonus for me! I got to ride in a Leopard!

[@markcantemail8018]

" The Lucky Guy Getting A Ride in a Leopard Deserves to be Remembered " . Wait that sounds too Long ? It was great seeing you up there !

[@user-py6oc4jo6c]

Looks like the Dutch had a wind-up AA tank!🤣🤣🤣 --Bob Bailey in Maine, USA

[@gorter23]

now i know where Jingles gets his 'actually' quote from....

[@GannicusMisteriosdeHonduras]

David Willy cool man

[@petertimowreef9085]

T-72 is my favourite. Western tanks were and are often subject of political games, meanwhile the Soviets just built the best tank for the least amount of money. It's such an exquisitely simple design.

[@JustFamilyPlaytime]

Cool - A pop up History Guy!

[@rat_king-]

0:50 frankie goes to hollywood: two tribes /// Nice touch,

[@nunopereira265]

Portugal now has leopard2a6 but if I'm not wrong we had some m60 in service

[@opencasketfacelift]

awesome

[@R2Y2V2]

Of course something would be broken on the Chieftain...

[@arkboy3]

I had no idea there was a running M-103. There are threeparked at Red Rio WSMR as targets.

[@clapper3530]

0:43 The Boss arrived!!!

[@boatrat]

Hey! Who's that dapper-looking fellow at the end, making the patronage pitch from the turret. Wearing a suspiciously familiar bow tie. Can't quite seem to place him... 'Cause it really seems like he should obviously be wearing some kind of hat or helmet. So I'm a bit confused.

[@gitfoad8032]

Regards the Challenger & the CAT trials - at some point, wasn't it found the guns were being cooled, during manufacture, horizontally, so that the cooling was uneven, meaning the barrels were bent?

[@malcolmholmes4535]

8:38 Now that's what I call a cold war tank:)

[@Nounismisation]

At 11:02, when Willey says, "at the end of the battle" he is not talking about the gunnery excerise in Germany in 1987 he'd just refered to, but the end of the Gulf War/Kuwait liberation. I don't know what happened in that excerise, but combat the tanks weren't 'lemons'; those tanks knocked out more enemy tanks than tanks of their own kind had been deployed, without a single loss. Willey mentions that 95% operational at the end of the war, but 98% was the army's assessment. But also, apart from a ratio of 400 kills to 0 losses, the Challenger 1 had also pulled off the longest ever tank-on-tank kill recorded to date. It has yet to be beaten. I'm rather glad the Shaa of Iran was not around long enough to get his hands on these tanks.

[@MrDgwphotos]

Too bad the BRDM-2Khb that's visible in the back ground at some points isn't shown or discussed, since it's kinda relevant as a Cold War vehicle.

[@minuteman3]

I know the L60 engine in the Chieftain wasn't supposed to be a good engine, but dang it sounds so good to me.

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

Will we ever see Type 61 or Type 74 in the tank fest someday ?

[@marvintpandroid2213]

When two tribes go to war ...

[@catfish552]

A point is all that you can score

[@thewomble1509]

Where is part 2 of the Chally 2 presentation? Come on lads!!

[@willc1294]

They should have had an arena where 15 vs 15 tanks could duke it out.

[@loganinkosovo]

BTW, you bore-sighted the M48 and the M60 series with a shoe string off your low quarters, a roll of 100 mph tape and a pair of binoculars.

[@paulknuff1555]

No mention of the M60A2 "Starship".

[@c431inf]

I never had a chance to see a working T72 😉 , wish they did this in the states

[@lonewanderer5515]

One of the main problems with chieftain is that NATO wanted to have a multi fuel engine and the British Mod managed to make one but then. The rest of Nato changed there mind and decided to stay with the normal engine. So even tho the British had an engine that could run on different types of fuel it was not the most reliable and kind if got done over by NATO.

[@umt1cardiff]

Just to add by rest of NATO read "USA "

[@ashleygoggs5679]

but then we ended up with the challenger which imho is one of the best MBT's although its tech is starting to lag. But im sure i heard they are going to be giving the challenger 2 a complete revamp with a new chassis i believe, new engine, new optics and finally catching up with the rest of the superpowers with a smooth bore barreled cannon. I hope they keep the kettle for the lads though xD

[@ashleygoggs5679]

@Stewart James yeh my bad i meant riffled

[@DavidDragonhammer]

Long ago seen tons of M60's when was stationed in Germany at a Depot ,back in the 80's ,always wondered what they replace with them? figured they left them outside so Russians ,knew we have tons of tanks waiting for the there welcome wagon.

[@1337flite]

Hope we can see some inidvidual chats on some more of these more modern, cold war/contempary tanks. +The Tank Museum - PS Some of the commentary about the availability of Chally I around 11:04 when David is talking about CATS, something about availability "at the end of the battle he was able to say" was edited out to be non sensible. Just before that phrase he was talking about CATS not a battle. I know what the commentary shoud say from the Chally tank chat, so am pretty sure there's an edit slip here.

[@thewomble1509]

Yep, After the first Gulf War, Patrick Cordingley, commander of Uk forces in the Gulf made the comments about C1's effectiveness in battle , not in competitions.

[@bajkal8837]

Eastern Block 😍

[@Wickedonezz]

Starving 😍

[@WoodlandsArchive]

Regarding the PRTL, I have always believed that the Centurion had a 1 litre Morris engine to support turret electrical supply. B.T.W. Im from Sweden so our Centurions could have differed from yours.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

The History Guy cameo

[@masterofdisaster492]

I think when you were describing the T72 ammo storage, you meant carousel not cassette

[@blackdeath4eternity]

@ 1:05 , that tanks got a red dot sight on its weapon! Lol ok so it may be a light or such, but still it looks like a red dot.

[@mattmagee180]

Anyone notice the disappearing/reappearing building in the background of the wide shots?

[@Szalami]

Honestly can't wait for the T-72 full length Tank Chat. It's a fasicnating vehicle with a terrible track record.

[@TheKINGTIGER99]

@Johnson Adam Also, those armies you mentioned use a cheap and poorly constructed knock off of the original

[@ivankrylov6270]

@@TheKINGTIGER99 it's not necessarily poorly constructed just down graded. The tank itself is the same, but things like sights, optics, radios etc. are one or more generations behind

[@TheKINGTIGER99]

@@ivankrylov6270 True but in Iraq's case the Asad Babil was locally made I think and the iraqi factory standards and quality of production can't be compared with Soviet one

[@wetlettuce4768]

Iraqi T-72s obliterated Iranian Chieftains and Pattons during the Iran/Iraq war

[@TheKINGTIGER99]

@@wetlettuce4768 Yes but you are referring to iraqi T-72 M. I'm referring to the Asad Babil an iraqi version of the T-72M that entered production after the Iran-Iraq war. It was the main "T-72" variant in the first Gulf War and is a prime example of Iraq having poorly trained crews using cheap wannabe Soviet equipment.

[@homelessEh]

13:48 hey its that guy! ..hmm im sure he deserved to be remembered what was his name... ah yes history guy

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Need to get a ZSU-23-4 Shilka to compare the Russian version of there self propelled anti aircraft

[@sarjim4381]

Still the best gun armed tracked vehicle made. It was a high priority Western target right up through the Iraq invasion of 2003, and it's a major player in the Syrian conflict today. If it could itself survive in the role, it could also take out anything on the battlefield less than an MBT.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@sarjim4381 yeah is technically better than anything the "west" has come up with yet and has actually been replaced in device in Russia.

[@jwenting]

@@sarjim4381 not really. For the role it was intended for, PRTL/Gepard was superior. Better accuracy, more firepower. Pretty much the sole reason it was taken out of service was because the Leopard 1 it's based on was removed from service with the Dutch, Belgian, and German armies and the maintenance of the small number of them was becoming too expensive. Same reason the other Leopard 1 variants (engineer tank, training tank) were retired as well. The vehicles weren't sold on to 3rd parties because of the sensitive nature of the radar and computer systems not allowing them to be sold outside of NATO, and no NATO country wanted a Leopard 1 based vehicle at the time.

[@sarjim4381]

@@jwenting Yes, really. Firstly, your notion that third parties didn't get Gepards is wrong. Brazil has 36 on order, Jordan has received 60 ex-Dutch vehicles, and Romania has already gotten 43 ex-Bundeswehr units. Chile trialed four ex-Bundeswehr vehicles in 2008 with an eye to ordering 30 of them. They were returned in 2011 for the same reasons the Gephard was generally an export failure. The initial cost was too high, and upgrade costs for the MTU multifuel engines and overly complex electronics was and is ungodly expensive. The Germans actively marketed the Gephard to non-NATO countries as shown by the number of non-NATO countries that have or had them. The lack of export success had nothing to do with some kind of secret squirrel electronics. Like many German weapons systems, it was just too expensive for the task. Now, how many enemy aircraft did the Gepard shoot down? Oh, that's right, none. It certainly did well enough in tests, but combat is where the rubber meets the road. I don't know how many enemy aircraft were shot down by the ZSU-23 but it must number in the hundreds by now. The ZSU-23 was tested against all short to medium range NATO antiaircraft systems in the 1980's by the Israelis, and the ZSU-23 outperformed them all, including the Gephard. It did this with a 1950's vacuum tube fire control system driving a myriad of gears and sprockets, and at a quarter of the cost of Gepard. The Russian, Poles, Indians, and even the Netherlands are actively involved in applying modern upgrades to the ZSU-23. How many countries are upgrading the Gephard? No, in combat, I'd stick with the ZSU-23 every time.

[@Kalumbatsch]

@@sarjim4381 "It was a high priority Western target" Because it's an anti-aircraft gun. The first thing you have to take out is the air defense. That has nothing to do with it being particularly great. Nope, the Gepard is better overall.

[@GenghisVern]

Who was that at the end there? "The History Guy"?

[@vaclav_fejt]

Yup.

[@cgaccount3669]

He deserves to be remembered

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

Vern Etzel it was!

[@jakedee4117]

No T-55 ? The Chieftian calls them the Toyota Hi-lux of tanks. Now that I think of it, No Toyota Hi-lux mounting a heavy MG ? In any future conflict you're more likely to run into one of those and a bunch of Jihad Johnnies rockin' the casbah with their Ackbar snack-bar routine than any other fighting vehicle

[@wetlettuce4768]

They've moved on from heavy MGs and are now mounting old anti aircraft guns on the back of them, seen a Syrian army one with the 4 barreled 23mm cannon from a Shilka on the back lol.

[@tvanb8729]

The chieftain is crap. He is exhausting to listen to and he isn't always right.

[@foamer443]

@@wetlettuce4768 I had a '98 Tacoma stolen from my driveway, when it just a few years old. The insurance adjuster remarked that it was probably in a sea can before I got up in the morning, with a good chance of it being seen on the news from somewhere in the middle east with a gun mount in the box.

[@DarknessInferno15]

Wasn't the Panzer 61 that tank that was more deadly to its own crew than the enemy?

[@keithedwards8936]

No Sheridan? We had them in the Fulda gap.

[@Krom1hell]

Operation "Human Shield" is given to the Marines :))

[@spider0804]

Was that the history guy at the end?

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

spider0804 it was!

[@spider0804]

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Ayyyy, good to see you!

[@PitFriend1]

Is it sad that I identified all the vehicles before they said the names in the videos? Though I did call that PRTL a Gepard.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

I love the sound of tanks in the morning sip tea ☕

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

By "in the shed" does that mean in the "30-ton centurion" is in the vehicle conservation centre or is it in the workshop being worked on?

[@RWJP]

In the Vehicle Conservation Centre.

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

From Centurion on... The UK has the sexiest tanks.

[@UltraMegaSandwich]

Funny that the Soviets did away with loaders. I wonder how the loaders felt about that? If only they'd had a workers union!

[@SentimentalBadger]

could the brits design at least one more good tank since the centurion pls? thanks

[@4rnnr_as]

I love seeing these tanks. But since most of us here know the history behind them, or at least know how to find it - I was actually hoping you would break into a (scholarly) conjectural discourse about how they would have fared on the battlefield had the Cold War gone hot. How would an M60 stand up against a horde of T-64s? How would the Czech Republic employ their tanks against a Russian attack? How did the advent of Chobham armor change the game of armored warfare in Cold War Europe and how would it have stood up to the T-64's gun? How many Tiger IIs would it take to destroy a Chieftain (I just lost all credibility!)? Stuff like that.

[@phil20_20]

Why does the M103 have a red star on the front?

[@user-qj6lj4iq2b]

Leech Phillip ikr

[@thetreblerebel]

Good lord those American tanks are so gigantic. The profile made them a big target