Eastern Orthodox Poaching Traditional Catholics

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After the release of Pope Francis' Motu Proprio, Traditionis Costodes, there was an incident at my FSSP church where there were groups of people waiting for churchgoers to arrive. One was an Eastern Orthodox priest and the other was a group from the SSPX. They were trying to take advantage of the potential alienation of traditional Catholics in light of the recent revisions to Church law. Here are my thoughts on what that suggests.

[@berserker9682]

Thanks Brian for your content. Ex atheist here, will get my baptism, confirmation and first communion in 2-3 months.

[@fu2974]

Welcome home future brother in christ.

[@JohnSmith-qx8ll]

How was it? God Bless.

[@berserker9682]

@@JohnSmith-qx8ll Still a catechumen, my priest wanted to baptize and confirm me this Easter. Today Im strugling with my faith, but I remain hopeful, I have had more difficult moments in my life.

[@fu2974]

@@berserker9682 Don't frett about your faith brother. The seed has been planted. Now you just have to push out of the dirt. My spiritual mentor gave me some of the best advice I could have been given. I eas also on the ropes on my faith and the church for a good while. He told me that the Church would always be there for me as dirty of a sinner as I could become to hose me down and me struggling with God on certian things, "well that's having a relationship with the him" I know now though I might not understand his plan that it's growing pains and the moment we let him have that frustration and get out of the way we fully let him work his miracles and wonders on our lives. If you fell off your horse, dust your ass off and get back on.

[@berserker9682]

@@fu2974 Thanks for your support, currently Im in a spiritual dessert. I still know that the Lord loves me and he is my saviour. The most comforting thought I have is that Christ suffered far more and God knows the pain of the flesh and soul, I trust and believe he waits for me when I die. I daily keep my prayers and also discovered that Loving his Mother is key to loving Christ.

[@ericlefevre7741]

So call me a weird person, but I am a lutheran protestant (the believing kind of lutheran, not unbelieving). Pope Francis banning the Latin Mass made me very, very angry. I had been going to a Latin mass a few times for reasons that i was not quite sure, but going to mass I was. I don't quite know what to think now, but I am currently exploring catholicism and growing in my deep appreciation for the reverent liturgical tradition of the church.

[@bernardokrolo2275]

Pope Francis didnt ban Latin Mass

[@ericlefevre7741]

@@bernardokrolo2275 No he did not overtly, he just made its continued practice dependent on the permission of the local bishop, barred local bishops from establishing new TLM oratorios without permission from Rome, barred allowing new priests from saying TLM without permission from Rome, and advised bishops that TLM should not be said in any normal parish. (I might have gotten one of those points mixed up, corrections freely accepted: ill edit this post if it contains inaccuracies).

[@MikeyJMJ]

Interesting surname

[@bernardokrolo2275]

@@ericlefevre7741whit another word he didnt ban LM..by the way..read document..that is what we catholic do..english is nit my first leanque whic is obvious but i read motupropry on my leanque ...Pope didnt ban LM...i would even dare say that real issue is nit directly abouth liturgy ..issue is Vatican II..whic is obviuos for someone who is catholic like i said

[@mariadeven4112]

God bless you for trying to listen and let God lead you. I don’t know if I would be open to becoming Protestant so I can imagine how hard it must be. Prayers to you. The problem with all this Latin Mass drama, which is super sad and unfortunate, is it can take us off our game. The devil is very cunning. Even though I love the ordinary form of the mass I am very upset about the Pope’s recent actions and unfortunately I let it distract me - ughhh.

[@a.violet5905]

I'm just at the beginning of this video and I must say that the way the Orthodox priest and SSPX priest did this was in very poor taste. If a Roman Catholic wishes to enter into the Orthodox Church, let it be out of a sincere desire to join rather than a reaction under duress. I'm Orthodox and I'm praying for your Church. We were once one Church so I bear you all no ill will. I'm devastated for the faithful Traditional Catholics out there. This isn't the time to try and poach members. It's a time of prayer for your Church and her members. I'll continue to pray for you all. God bless.

[@hamie7624]

Become Catholic.

[@ntmn8444]

Amen. You said it right.

[@williamjones6971]

@@hamie7624 Which kind?

[@hamie7624]

@@williamjones6971 the kind that is not in Schism with the See of St Peter.

[@ZiraRisasi]

No

[@abrahampadilla6272]

I am a descendent of Cristeros, and was brought up with stories of those who came before. They might be trying to take my TLM, soon, but I've been imparting traditional Latin prayers, and practices. We need to love enough to leave something lasting. We need to suffer well, like the great Saints, like St. John of the Cross, and leave something lasting, like one of our local Cristero Martirs, who dedicated his days of the Cristero War, distributing sacraments, and catechising the youth. We have to play the long game in this spiritual war, and we need to give all to God. Run to God as fast as you can, and lead as many souls to him as you can. God bless and help us now and always.

[@vkbowers]

God bless you. Well said. 👏🙏

[@brotheryoungtrad217]

Well said brother, thank you!

[@MrSggurcs]

We went Eastern Catholic... but I'm not going to lie, listening to heroes like Fr Josiah Trenham speak out against BLM, COVID restrictions, and Marxists is inspiring... and then I look at my Catholic Bishops...

[@Odexian]

I know this feeling well. But as a fellow Eastern Catholic we cannot allow men to sway us. I say that as someone who greatly admires Fr Trenham and owns many things Patristic Nectar has put out. Good men and evil men will be all mixed in together regardless of the tradition or name on the door. We must go where Christ is, where His faithful are. I leave that for each of us to discern.

[@8475143117]

As a Melkite, I respect and know Fr. Josiah and love his Patristic Nectar... The big problem that I have with Fr. Josiah is though he left Protestantism, Protestantism didn't leave him as he speaks down about Melkites... I have even heard him talk smack about the Coptic... True enough that the Catholic Church has issues but make no mistake, the Orthodox have their own issues and are not all in unity...

[@isaachess19]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Fr Josiah Trenham is not an Orthodox bishop. There are plenty of faithful Catholic bishops, and plenty of questionable Orthodox bishops.

[@George-ur8ow]

Fr. Trenham is a wonderful priest. He is doing the Lord's work.

[@Mike-ey8ce]

@@8475143117 As a Byzantine Catholic I do agree with you. Eastern Orthodox have lots of problems too. In Romania many faithful Orthodox even say that the Romanian Orthodox Church is all rulled by freemasons. True or not, they still have lots of problems. We shall not be escapists. Our Catholic Church is great and the bride of Christ. Ave Christus Rex!

[@WhiskyJax]

My faith is not a fashion accessory. I will remain with the Catholic church.

[@beauty.of.the.struggle]

Implying what?

[@CobraRedstone]

The Orthodox Church (One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church) is not a fashion accessory. And if that is all you think it is, is some more Aesthetic looking Christianity, you are ignorant.

[@WhiskyJax]

@@CobraRedstone I did not say it was. I respect the Orthodox Church. My point was that if I left my faith because my liturgy wasn't pretty then I would be treating MY faith as a fashion accessory.

[@WhiskyJax]

@@beauty.of.the.struggle implying that if I left because of the prettiness of liturgy that my faith would be treated as a fashion accessory. We good?

[@WhiskyJax]

@@CobraRedstone though I must admit the more Orthodox I meet online the happier I am that I am Catholic.

[@AprendeMovimiento]

Going to the SSPX is not abandoning the Church. And you don't get the idea of why certain things have been handed down to us in a traditional manner, therefore you understand going to a traditional parish not as a theological issue but rather about taste and personal attatchments and that's simply wrong

[@joeoleary9010]

The SSPX is *not* in communion with the actual Catholic church. Not in any way, shape or form. To suggest that the SSPX is in any kind of communion with Rome is to pretend. Please read what Vatican I and II say about the living pope's authority. Pope Benedict XVI explained that the SSPX has no canonical status in the Catholic Church for doctrinal reasons and that SSPX ministers "do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church."

[@AprendeMovimiento]

@@joeoleary9010 The Germans are in communion...

[@Fiona2254]

I'm not leaving. I'm praying hard so our bishops don't take away what feeds so many of the flock. We've already won, Jesus Himself said so, so I will do what Padre Pio says: "Pray, hope and don't worry."

[@helpIthinkmylegsaregone]

Sorry to break it to you, but about half of your bishops are homosexual feemasons an according to your Canon law, the pope is the indisputable king. And it's been like this for a long time.

[@Fiona2254]

@@helpIthinkmylegsaregone I don't follow a bishop or the pope I follow Christ and His Church is His Body regardless of the imperfect, flawed and sinful men in it.

[@Fiona2254]

@@helpIthinkmylegsaregone and no, the pope is no king, he's a man, flawed and sinful. and as such we should all pray for him as we do others

[@helpIthinkmylegsaregone]

@@Fiona2254 your canon law says differently

[@Fiona2254]

@@helpIthinkmylegsaregone what you think isn't what it is.

[@steviov3376]

Coming from a Protestant Southern Baptist background, really been struggling with the question of “who is the true Church of the first millennium?” Either EO or RC. Ultimately God has led me to Orthodoxy, and I’m a catechumen in the Greek Orthodox Church currently. I see the teaching authority and importance the Bishop of Rome had in the early centuries but I think it’s obvious that it was a “primacy” and not a “supremacy” over other Bishops/churches. I think the Bishop of Rome was highly respected for Peter & Paul both being martyred there, that seat was highly revered because of the two apostles. But as the Latin church developed into theological territory that churches east of Rome did not recognize it became it’s own ‘thing’ essentially over time until we had a full blown schism. I realize the idea of the papal office works very well in theory & sounds nice and unifying but I truly don’t see it working that way in practice & I believe if such an authoritative, vital position would exist based out of Rome that it would’ve been much clearer to see it in the early centuries, the ecumenical councils, and in scripture. Nonetheless I pray for the Roman Catholic Church, & especially for its traditional members. I know this has to be a difficult time for you all. Just simply wanting a liturgy that gives reverence to God & bishops that call sin, sin seems increasingly more difficult to find in the world as a whole, not just any single church. God bless

[@miguelpasamano4995]

Coming from a "FSSP" background of a "RCC" background, really can honestly say neither the "RCC" nor the "GOC" can possibly be the Church. The "RCC" apostatized into scholasticism which it calls "Thomism". The "GOC" apostatized in hesychasm which it calls "Palamism". We MediEval SedeVacantIsts beat the modern SedeVacantIsts to it. We've been at it eversince the Franks set up the AntiPapacy in 1054. They're only been at it eversince 1958. God gave the Keys of Heaven to ArchApostle Saint Peter and his Successors the Popes who (together with Œcumenical Synods which were Ratified by them) alone had Ordinary and ExtraOrdinary Magisterium and the Power to bind and loose to all 12 Apostles and their Successors the Episcops they ConSecrate and the Power to adMinister CommUnion, hear ConFessions, and give Last Rites to the SacerDotes they Ordain. Pope Saint CleMent used his Magisterium to settle disputes in Corinth while EvAngelIst Apostle Saint John was still alive and much closer to Corinth. Pope Saint Victor threatened to exCommUnicate people over disputes over when to celebrate Pascha. Pope Saint Cornelius restricted the Power of exorcism to Canonically ComMissioned SacerDotes (when available). Pope Saint Sylvester told Imperator Saint ConStantinus I the Great to call and preside over then sent 2 Legates to Ratify the 1st Œcumenical Synod of Nicæa. Imperator Saint ConStantinus I the Great rebuilt then moved to Byzantium. The Donation of ConStantinus is of Canon Law. Popes Saints Damasus, Siricius, and Innocent Canonized the Sacred Books. Pope Saint Siricius sent a Dogmatic Epistle in which he debunked "Baptisms of blood/desire". The heretic John Chrysostom appealed to Pope Saint Innocent for Justice to refute false accusations against him of Origenism but he was a heretic for his false accusations against the TheoTokos of sin specifically pride. Pope Saint Celestinus in his Dogmatic Epistle to the apostate AntiPatriArchEpiscop John of AntiOch at the Œcumenical Synod of Ephesus commended layman-to-be-Episcop Saint Eusebius of DoryLæum who denounced the apostate Nestorius an apostate AntiEpiscop with no prior existing DeClaration. Pope Saint Leo I the Great was Titled PatriArchEpiscop of the CathOlIc Church at the Œcumenical Synod of Chalcedon. The Franks and Germanics were at war again the Church and eventually became false "converts". The Byzantine Imperators started to meddle into Ecclesiastical affairs without the Popes' permission. Most of the East became cæsaroantipapists so the Eastern Sees were left permanently Vacant. There is a difference between not clearly seeing something versus looking the other way because you don't like it. Neither the "RCC" nor the "GOC" has any hope left. We Eastern SedeVacantIsts beat the Western SedeVacantIsts to it. We've been at it eversince the Franks set up the AntiPapacy in 1054. They're only been at it eversince 1958.

[@dakotastrasinger1]

I’m on the exact same page, bro. Glory to the almighty Triune God ☦️🙌🏼

[@Ettoredipugnar]

Come and see the Orthodox Church

[@ruthmaryrose]

I don’t want to move to a tradition that lowers the esteem in which to hold the Mother of God.

[@patrickbarnes9874]

I do not see why you were really struggling with that question. The Roman Catholics have zero claim on being the true church. I have no opinion on whether being a Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox is superior, but for the specific question of which is closer to the first churches, it is self evident that it is the Orthodox. It's not something to struggle with. It's plainly obvious.

[@leonardito]

Brian is describing the Orthodox Church from minute 7:57. Thats the understanding that we have of the Holy Tradition and our role in transmitting it without changes from generation to generation for 2000 years. In the Orthodox Church we do not consider ourselves "traditional" because we have "old" customs or because we have a different architecture, but because we have maintained the understanding and teachings from Christ and His Apostles to this day. The cultural wealth that we have is only an addition or a positive consequence, but none of that defines us as Orthodox, it is the Faith without blemishes that was bequeathed to us from ancient past generations and protected by the Holy Spirit Who is the one who guards the Church and resides in her. If tomorrow our temples, books or even our icons are taken away, our Faith would remain the same, whether doing a liturgy on a rock or praying in the darkness of a cave away from civilization, our rock is Christ and only in Him we hope. Btw, nice Icons in the wall.

[@lorddevonshire6382]

Sadly, though, the Orthodox have caved on divorce and don't accept the Filioque, which is absolutely ancient, patristic and orthodox.

[@leonardito]

@@lorddevonshire6382 the Orthodox Church does not admit the origin of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son, but only from the Father. This is why the Orthodox Church rejects the addition of the "Filioque" in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Symbol. The Holy Spirit has not a double procession. The unilateral introduction by the Latin Church of the term Filioque was prior to the year 1054, that theory born from the West does not make it patristic and even worse in Orthodox, much older is the teaching of Christ that clearly explains the origin of the Holy Spirit from the Father, just as the Church confesses to this day, because not only the external mysteries, but also the most recondite divine mysteries were revealed by Christ and by the spirit of faith both to the holy apostles, as to all the Holy Church. The Church does not reject the fact that the Holy Spirit is sent not only by the Father, but also by the Son, but the Church rejects the concept that the Holy Spirit had His original principle in the bosom of the Trinity himself: not only from the Father, but also from the Son. Those who have turned away from the Church of Christ and have been deprived of his grace, have lost the internal knowledge of the faith, and are only limited to superficial knowledge; that is why in Rome they can only know what is external, and not the divine internal mysteries. The Christian denominations that departed from the Holy Church can no longer confess (because they could not spiritually understand) the origin of the Holy Spirit only from the Father. They have tried to preserve the external aspect of the law, but lost the internal meaning and grace of God both in confession and in life.

[@nnovo3122]

If you follow the teachings as handed down why did you adopt the protestant teaching that one can divorce and remarry in your church? Where do you stand on birth control now as compared to your teaching on it in the past? These are big issues. Much bigger than a style of worship.

[@noahjohnson2611]

@@nnovo3122 Orthodox Christians believe divorce is a sin. Roman Catholic say they don't believe in divorce but the numbers on annulments do not lie. Your argument about the Church's divorce is divorced from reality.

[@noahjohnson2611]

Remarriage is also against God's will but remarrying one person is better than living a life of promiscuity. It would be best for a divorced person to be reunited with their spouse or remain celibate. Orthodoxy has the concept of oeconomia which recognizes that no one can live up to God's standards and so there are cases where second and even third (but never fourth) marriages can be blessed but not with the same honor as the first marriage.

[@nicolelowe3619]

We are in the Passion of Christ, carrying our cross. do not run away from it

[@TheJackoloco]

@@jannguerrero 🔥🔥🔥

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@jannguerrero Though Sedevacantists condemn both the current Pachamama-worshipping V2 “Church” as well as the Eastern Orthodox whom they believe to be schismatics (since this was believed by the Popes and the Church pre-V2).

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@jannguerrero Just saying though, I still can’t come to grips with all those of the Eastern Church being sent to hell despite what they’ve gone through because they’re not in communion with Rome.

[@rc3088]

For a Christian seems like a lot of hatred in your heart or you are you...?

[@diegobarragan4904]

Has not Orthodoxy carried the cross of Christ throughout its whole existence? From communism to Islamic persecution. That’s the cross, not becoming corrupt like the Roman Church and claiming that’s a cross…

[@carynschmidt5061]

I'm not leaving. The Church is far greater than my lifetime. It is the Church which Jesus founded and His Bride.

[@paxvobiscum9859]

The Ark of the New Covenant without which there is no salvation.

[@Wgaither1]

@@paxvobiscum9859 not scriptural

[@paxvobiscum9859]

@@Wgaither1 By whose interpretation? Yours? The Church, as the Body of Christ, has authority... you, as a lone wolf, do not.

[@dwong9289]

@@Wgaither1 who compiled the canon of Scripture? Hint the Holy Catholic Church!

[@Arkangilos]

@@Wgaither1 you should probably reread Sacred Scripture, then.

[@dingdingdong8009]

I'm a Catholic because I believe the Church is built by Christ, period. I'm not in because the pope is good or not.

[@spectr__]

ok, but all Christians believe that.

[@elliotlazarus9257]

Aren’t you Christian? A Christ-follower? If not, be one! Because He is the only way to heaven. “…And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭ They weren’t called Catholics, they were called Christians.

[@DewiiEsq]

@@elliotlazarus9257 okay?

[@sonicnarutoTDpg]

@@elliotlazarus9257 this is your mind on protestantism

[@julieelizabeth4856]

@@elliotlazarus9257 People were called Christians, and the Church was called Catholic beginning around 108AD by St. Ignatius of Antioch. It was given a proper name to distinguish itself from heretical groups that were already forming, making up their own beliefs, and still calling themselves "Christian."

[@mattf.johnston2939]

Bro, you are ignorant of Orthodoxy. Although it is unusual that Orthodox priests are trying to poach Roman Catholics (and maybe this is a former evangelical) or just a one-off, what you say about EO is always off-base. I watched your video about why you didn't convert to Eastern Orthodoxy, and the only reason you gave is because of the ethnic issue... and yet here you are telling people not to choose churches based on preferences and likes/dislikes... my goodness

[@dakotastrasinger1]

Thanks for this comment, because his voice was originally important in my search for the True Church and almost pushed me away from Orthodoxy, until I learned more and watched the video you referenced again. Praise God ☦️

[@sandrametcalfe7483]

Right after Pope Francis issued his Moto Proprio, a major Greek Orthodox You Tuber did a video inviting Catholics to join the Eastern Orthodox Church. His message was “come on over and join us. We don’t have problems in our church.” I thought to myself- Yes you do! You allow your parishioners divorce and remarry 3 times.

[@physiocrat7143]

This situation arose because at one time the only the church could legalise marriages, there being no such thing as civil marriage. Consequently it was marrying people who were Christian in name only. It was therefore considered unreasonable to bind people who were in truth not Christians. In reality, this is always the case with church marriages; the Christian committment of the parties to the marriage are often no more than nominal. The principle of _economia_ is applied so as not to force people into obeying a set of conditions to which they do not really assent. The Orthodox church does not approve of divorce and has developed a pastoral approach which makes this clear. There is an analogous situation with widows and widowers, including priests. In principle they are not allowed to re-marry but exceptions can be made in particular circumstances. There is wisdom in the practice.

[@andymccaffrey]

Catholics have divorce. They just have a fancy word for it. Orthodoxy doesn't encourage divorce but we understand people make mistakes and we don't try to jump through mental hoops to accept people the way annulments do. Annulments are given out so easily. Also, before the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church allowed divorce and remarriage.

[@TommyGunzzz]

Lol this is terrible. Where are getting your knowledge of Orthodoxy from? Moscow sent missionaries to the Alaskans which is how they received it and Orthodoxy got big there. Guatemala is also booming from Orthodox missions. If we go into history this is how the world received Christianity lol.

[@t.l.ciottoli4319]

this is the guy who said he didn't convert to Orthodoxy because he thought they were ethnic clubs and he didn't feel comfortable with foreign languages. Not a high level thinker we're dealing with here.

[@user-xi3fn4iw5f]

@@t.l.ciottoli4319 "The evil orthobros are racist!!!" What a clown, he's way out of line.

[@TommyGunzzz]

@Brian Farley Sorry buddy, not to be rude, but i think your first sentence sums up and defeats your own argument in all honesty lol. Sorry for the long reply as well but its just too good to pass up lol. Given now that he has shown he has no clue on Orthodox ecclesiology or mission work, i take it he would also spout the same type of uneducated rhetoric about those topics because he would do it from the same faulty premise (treating it from a RCC worldview). Sorry, but to be frank, The accusation is that RCs are not educated on church history (including their own), councils, etc and you seem to be showing that hand here and dont know that its not ambiguous on those topics you listed, its kinda a RC talking point and its funny that the RCC is burning and is 100% subject to the Pope who has the ability to determine what tradition is and is not on whim, and they are willing to die on the divorce hill while never having read any church fathers on the matter themselves. Also, kinda a dumb comment, why would we need ecumenical councils (even though we do have synods) when there is not an issue for one lol? what issues of faith and morals are in flux that we need a council for lol? Need i remind you of your own church's faith and morals issues with uh i dont know, with James Martin being affirmed and blessed for LGBTQ ministries, Mahoney being praised, the amazon synod, the ecumenist prayer gatherings on the ziggurat, the Assisi gatherings, the fact that 70% or more of RCs dont believe in the real presence, and need i remind you that you have several factions / sects of Catholicism who fundamentally disagree with eachother and Rome itself (that alone ends the debate lol) while we Orthodox have the same united faith but different jurisdictions to prevent a Pope Francis situation according to the apostolic passing down? Saying "leaderless" sums up the debate. Christ is the head. Have you heard of him? The fact that councils were passed for hundreds of years without Romes approval in the 1st millennium kinda shows you dont need Rome for that doesnt it? Anyways, God bless and look forward to a response. Dude, faith and morals coming from a RCC, come on bruh..........

[@t.l.ciottoli4319]

@@TommyGunzzz "Discernment" for papists means repeating the same, typical, easily refuted critiques of Orthodoxy that they heard from the other papists. This guy did not sit around and meditate upon the teachings, aesthetics, or spiritual vibe of Orthodox communities and then 'discerned' what is wrong about them. He just repeated what he's heard all the other Romanists say. It's all so tiresome.

[@blutausbeherit]

If you leave because you disagree with the Pope I can think of a particular German priest that did the same thing.

[@NotScotus]

This is an important point!!!

[@grantsmythe8625]

Why did that particular German priest leave?

[@NotScotus]

@@grantsmythe8625 He's making reference to Martin Luther (the one who started Protestantism)

[@Athmoneus]

I know a French lawyer too

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

@@Athmoneus hahahhaha

[@vu7904]

The way you communicate ideas is superior. Greatly appreciated Brian.

[@Thetruthisnoteasy]

Is vastly uneducated and bro-ey

[@RussellTisdale]

I left the Roman church a year ago for Holy Orthodoxy. No one poached me. I simply wanted what had been promised me when I entered the Roman church. I love my RCC friends, but the Roman church is deficient in upholding tradition, reverent worship, and the promises of the papacy for being a centering force are sorely lacking. There’s more to it all, of course. Our little mission parish has seen several Catholics come visit over the last couple weeks. We’re not poaching. We’re offering the True Faith.

[@nnovo3122]

You're also offering remarriage after divorce and contraception along with your traditional services.

[@RussellTisdale]

@@nnovo3122 you really don’t know. Life is more than online polemics. I know how annulments work in the RCC and I’ve seen the penances of Orthodoxy. I’ve seen the 90% acceptance of contraception in the RCC and I’ve seen the kids underfoot in the Orthodox parish. Visit a parish. Speak to a priest and you’ll find out there’s more to real life than you imagine.

[@samuelvelezramirez9440]

@@RussellTisdale, brilliant response, brother. Glad you entered the Church by the grace of God. I converted last year. Protestant background.

[@frankperrella1202]

They're is problems everywhere, To say the Eastern Orthodox are immune to the problems of our world is wrong, I know a Eastern Orthodox family of the Greek Orthodox faith the Dracolous family & now they're Catholic. People are leaving the Orthodox, Catholic & Prostestant faith due to the liberalism & atheist. Attendance is down in Russia even that's a Eastern Orthodox strong hold. If You study the Church Father's Councils Bible Watch Eric Yarbarra Catholic vs Jay dyer good debate on the Papacy & Councils.God bless you on your journey. Traditionalism will be a Remnant in the future.✝️🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic, I think in the future Catholics & Orthodox will eventually will have reunion but first all of Christianity has to stop infighting.But to say Orthodox don't have issues is not true LGBTQ creeping into Orthodox churches in America,& in Greece many of the youth isn't following the family into the church anymore it's a shame.

[@frankperrella1202]

And In the Catholic church you have The Eastern rites & TLM, The Novus ordo isn't all of the Catholic faith they're is 20 Rites. Oriental Orthodox will say they are true & Eastern Orthodox is not, God bless. Christ gave the key's to Simon Peter 🗝️🗝️✝️🛐🙏

[@marenlatham4349]

I think Brian, you hit on a really important point that is everywhere in our modern world: Personal preference is king. "You do you" or "Your truth". When I converted to Catholicism in 2018, my family thought of it like it was a new hobby that I liked. "Oh well she used to do martial arts and then she switched to ballroom dancing....now she's being Catholic. She'll get tired of that eventually and then she'll do something else." The idea that something is true doesn't often enter people's minds. Everything is relative, everything is based on what you like most, and whatever works for you, you should do. And in this video you are pointing out that even Christians don't realize that they are doing this. We are all very affected by the culture we live in.

[@NikolaAvramov]

The care for actual legitimacy is the actual main reason for most conversions. Ask the actual converts. Ask the many priests that converted after serious theologian research, like Father Aristibule Adams or Father Spyridon Bailey. It has nothing to do with feelings or comfort.

[@benchernjavsky7097]

My Fiancée is a convert to the Orthodox Church from the Roman Catholic faith. Glory to God, everyone is welcome!

[@monicamohan4720]

I hate when someone says that the TLM is my "preference ". I was not a "bells and whistles " person. That is something that I am still getting used to. The TLM draws me into a closer and closer union with Jesus. That is all that I know and that has never changed

[@Chamindo7]

AMEN !

[@tiagorodrigues3730]

No hate for the Extraordinary Form, but I think that many Catholics who do prefer Masses in the Extraordinary Form would be equally drawn into a closer union with Jesus if they were to attend an Ordinary Form Mass said in Latin using Gregorian Chant, like _Sacrosanctum Concilium_ actually directs us to do. Unfortunately, we have created a dichotomy where the Extraordinary Form "is" the Mass in Latin and the Ordinary Form "is" the Mass in Vernacular. That is far from the truth, and *both* should be in Latin.

[@monicamohan4720]

@@tiagorodrigues3730 thank you for sharing. I would disagree based on my own experience. Again, I am not a "bells and whistles " person. It is not about that. My first TLM, after I knew that that was where God wanted me, was filled with watching when everyone else sat, stood, etc., trying to follow the English translation of the Latin and trying to stay tuned in during the (fitting and beautiful) seemingly never ending chant. I knew one thing though, even amongst those distractions, and that was that I was more in love with Jesus after the Mass. There is something inherent in the TLM.

[@Fiona2254]

@@tiagorodrigues3730 my parish has solemn mass, both English and Spanish. It includes the Kyrie Eleison, the Gloria and the Sanctus in Latin as well as multiple servers, incense, proper blessing of the ambo and altar and closing the mass with the St Michaels prayer. The only "regular, plain vernacular mass" in our parish is the short daily and the bilingual mass. We need more priests that do this solemn form of the mass, it is beautiful containing appropriate singing (no modern "cool" crap) instead of the plain novus ordo. People would be amazed at how such details make a difference. Sadly the once a month Latin mass is not scheduled this August, I hope it comes back in September.

[@annemariebabich745]

I left the Novis Ordo because of its lack of reverence & sincere worship & went to the Ukrainian Catholic Divine Liturgy since there was no TLM nearby. It is beautiful in both English & Ukrainian. 🙏❤️

[@ronaldbobeck1026]

Were I am doing from in the Wyoming Valley of Pa. Scranton, Wilkes Barre and Hazleton. We had many different Eastern Rite Catholics. We're I live live now in NC. We only had one TLM. Once a month at 5 PM. On Sunday in Raleigh, NC. However , because of all the folks moving here from up state there is a Ukrainian Catholic Church around here. I may be joining Y'all soon.

[@loveandmercy9664]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eICuonVorpqrmZI

[@timurermolenko2013]

Greek catholic church? (Byzantine Rite)?

[@marcokite]

Amen

[@etcwhatever]

You take communion in the catholic ukranians? Is it possible? In my case i can go to the tlm so im not much interested in the ukranian church. I would like to experience eastern catholic liturgy but not with them. Theres other branches like middle eastern catholics.

[@sisterb8688]

I am filled with admiration and respect for the author of this website. Thank you Sir. May God be honored and praised in the true faith and worship that you nurture here. God bless you.

[@suominainen707]

Prayers for my traditional Catholic friends in this time of turmoil. Much love

[@diegobarragan4904]

It’s very revealing the way you define orthodox tradition as “old”, and the fact that modernizing something makes it alive? Liturgical tradition reflects everlasting heavenly worship in heaven, we are in an earthly image of a heavenly reality, participating in the heavenly liturgy as seen in the book of Revelation. So does the heavenly liturgy modernize? No, orthodox tradition isn’t defined as preserving something that’s old, it’s rather participating in something eternal and unchanging. These Catholic attacks against orthodoxy lately is just revealing how much you guys are hurting and trying to do damage control

[@NoeticInsight]

Yup, could't have said it better myself. The coping is really getting out of hand. Have a blessed start to the Apostles Fast, fellow Orthodox brother.

[@mattnd20]

Brian, man I always love your videos. So thoughtful and rich.

[@emiblux98]

Im from Latin America, we only have NO masses here... so this conflict is really foreign to me but I was raised to love the parish I was born into... Always went to the same parish, priests came and went, some better or worse than others, sometimes good singing, sometimes awful...but my mother always said that you went for Jesus, not the priest or the music... I completly understand that a beautiful liturgy would be better but we can not have things as we want them sometimes, we have to be humble and struggle to focus on whats important... I agree with you 100%

[@mariac4602]

Rosario, sounds like your experience mimics my own-sometimes great pastors, other times not so much. Some amazing music directors, others just going through the motions. But my family has remained because we come for Jesus Christ in the holy sacrifice of the Mass. While inspiring homilies and beautiful, uplifting music can enrich the beauty of the Mass, they are not the Main Event and nothing, if you truly understand what is happening in the Mass, is more beautiful than, and profound than, that-regardless of the external visual and auditory experiences.

[@riikka6125]

Your mother is a wise woman Rosario.

[@melissafeds1344]

I was looking for this comment. The western Catholic world is behaving as tho a nuclear bomb was dropped on it. The original mass was NOT in Latin in the middle east. It is only a mode of communication. The mass still exists. Find a reverent place n just go there ppl. We r not attending a show. We shld look beyond that.

[@susluke]

Exactly your spot on, the main reason is the Eucharist and praying for the Pope and the Church itself to be free from deception that always continuously attacks the Catholic Church and their followers but if you raise the kids right and to the know difference then they shouldn’t be deceived even when they’re continuously attacked. God will always protect his True Church but it’s clear that there are a lot of wolves in the Catholic Church but that just reconfirms that the Catholic Church is the True Church of Christ cause it’s always forever today and even through out history always being attacked. And the Attacks are getting extremely strong cause the Devil knows he has little time left to deceive the Catholics before Jesus comes back, so the Devil is like in full force now in trying to tear people away from the Truth, you have to pray daily Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet, I pray it Twice a day and I still think I need to pray it more as sometimes the attacks are sooo strong but cause I’m weary of these attacks and know it’s the Devils duty to do it then I just hold on, but yeah there are days when I feel weaker then other days but I just prY anyhow and then I feel rejuvenated about it all and just continue doing my daily things. Then I see blessings come my way and that’s how I know I’m definitely doing the right thing. GodBless I just wanted to share and encourage you and others that may read this. 🙏❤️🙏

[@NikolaAvramov]

The care for actual legitimacy is the actual main reason for most conversions. Ask the actual converts. Ask the many priests that converted after serious theologian research, like Father Aristibule Adams or Father Spyridon Bailey. It has nothing to do with feelings or comfort.

[@ZiraRisasi]

I feel like I've been noticing this for a while on Twitter. Good vid as always

[@dianekamer8341]

Oh yeah. The Twitter Orthobros are something else. I have come up with a new name for this phenomenon: Toxidoxy.

[@theresemartin3920]

@@dianekamer8341 :)) the new name suits it well : they're scavanging on people in distress

[@heatherwhitehead3743]

I've got a Byzantine Catholic church 5mins away from me waiting in the wings for when Francis takes away my Latin Mass.

[@rich3930]

Lol

[@Thetruthisnoteasy]

Byzantine? Byzantium never existed, Heather, where did you see such thing?

[@georgelabe-assimo4365]

Coming from a Latin attending a Melkite liturgy right now...if you're intent on joining their community or even transferring rites, please don't just do it as a liturgical refugee.

[@RedRiverMan]

@@georgelabe-assimo4365 but many will because of teir adherence more to a form of the Mass than to Christ....and they will sadly be your (and the other Melkite brethren's) problem!

[@t.l.ciottoli4319]

Everyone here should go read ex-Catholic Abbe Guettee's "The Papacy." Guettee was 100 times more Roman Catholic than anyone here. And he still left for Holy Orthodoxy.

[@philalcoceli6328]

Your ultra-super exaggerated hyperbole of: "Guettee was 100 times more Roman Catholic than anyone here" means very, very little. If he was a True, Authentic Catholic, he would have never left, just like the True Saints did after Judas betrayed Jesus, and did after many Christians were slaughtered by the Roman persecutions, and did after the Orthodox broke away and also did after the Protestant Refomation. THEY STAYED: (1 John 2:19, "... For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us".)

[@t.l.ciottoli4319]

@@philalcoceli6328 Ok, so read the book, decided for yourself.

[@philalcoceli6328]

@@t.l.ciottoli4319 I could read it, as I read books from opposing views but, after reading plenty of going-out-of-Catholicism books by lay people, priests, nuns, theologians, etc. the outside of the message package looks different but the message is basically the same and it does not convince me, especially for someone as rigorous as me, converting from New Age, to Eastern Religions, to Protestantism, to Greek Orthodox and now Catholic. I was looking for fullness of Truth and that I got, together with lots of walking, breathing, human imperfections, sins, etc. that remind me to stay humble and in constant, daily conversion to Jesus. I still appreciate your suggestion and suggest to you to never stop searching for the Total Fullness of Truth. God bless you and all you hold dear!!

[@RedSurprises]

I don’t know what SSPX priests or others you saw, but at my chapel run by the SSPX the priest specifically said that while this is a bad decision by Pope Francis for a multitude of reasons, we are part of the Catholic faith and should always work within the Church instead of outside as we are Catholic. That has always been the message of the SSPX (not the breakaways from the SSPX).

[@dylang606]

It didn’t happen

[@joeoleary9010]

The SSPX is not part of the Catholic church, which means it's not part of the Catholic faith.

[@catholicguy2224]

I don't see the SSPX or EO clergy doing something like this. Maybe some lay members.

[@RedSurprises]

@@joeoleary9010 No you are very wrong. Rome dictates that priests in the SSPX can preform the sacraments of marriage, confession, holy orders and more. The mass is considered valid by Rome and priests within the order have jurisdiction over sacraments they preform. This information is all easy to find online.

[@latinavalentina3898]

@@RedSurprises I went to an SSPX Mass for the first time this weekend. The priest was available for Confession, we prayed the Rosary before Mass, and then went on to a TLM with a sermon that dealt with sin in a way that I haven't seen in my home parish for a decade (since our more traditional priests were sent to the most unpopulated towns in the state, a huge coincidence I'm sure 🙄). It was filled with families and reverence. It was the most Catholic Mass I've been to. I understand those who say they are remaining Catholic, I am too, but what I cannot do is continue to submit to the Vatican as the Church. Why is it impossible that it is not the SSPX that "left" the Church, when they are the ones who maintained the tradition and Mass of the Saints? Why is it impossible that it is those men (who are NOT God or infallible) who put Vatican II in place, turning our liturgy into a Protestant meeting and our many of our most sacred beliefs into superstition, the ones who "left" the Church behind? I cannot believe that our Lord meant for us to fall into the mass sin and heresy that the Vatican and its possessors are promoting as "True Catholicism". I can't believe that I fall into greater sin by attending an SSPX Mass, than by attending an LGBTQ "Mass", complete with rainbow flags rather than Crucifixes over the altar. When the Alta Vendita was uncovered, and the plans to infiltrate the Church revealed, we knew that there were already evil men in the Church. It has become clear that they're plans have come to fruition and they have had control of the physical church for decades now. How does one continue to say that following the pope is the Catholic thing to do, when that pope has torn apart its foundations? When he has brought a pagan Pachamama to be worshipped in St. Peter's itself? Some of us are asking the wrong question. It isn't whether we want to leave the Church, it is where IS the True Catholic Church today? I will ALWAYS be Catholic.

[@mariadeven4112]

I’m investigating Eastern Catholic Churches since all this went down. I’m done with all of the drama on the western side.

[@calebp6667]

There are eastern rites in Union with Rome, Ukrainian being one form.

[@notsam9528]

@Jp but there should be no problem in joining a rite in communion with the See.

[@notsam9528]

@Jp What do you mean by doctrine or logical consistency? We still profess the faith of the Apostles and we are in full communion. It's not just politics.

[@mariadeven4112]

@Cocci Nelle yes thx! I went to one a couple of times recently. Their liturgy has many more things said than in the ordinary latin rite mass and those verses are so beautiful! This church I am visiting (out of town church while I am traveling on 3 mo assignment) even do an monthly mass in Jesus language - Aramaic. How beautiful is that? Thx again 😀

[@mariadeven4112]

@@calebp6667 yes thx! I am going to those. As I understand it they are totally part of the original Catholic and Apostolic church. They are just from the apostles who went East. Thanks again 😀

[@benderbear762]

I wasnt raised Christian and since converting I haven't joined a church. My perspective is that I like Catholicism but I don't like the current state of the church. I understand why Eastern orthodoxy is attractive to people in my position and that is because it appears to be upholding tradition better than the Catholic Church. However I know the Catholic Church will become good again. Just wanted to share my perspective which I think is fairly common as more people return to Christianity

[@notsam9528]

Orthodoxy is not upholding tradition better. Tradition isn't just old stuff that you like. Tradition starts with apostolic succession, outside of it you can't have tradition (at least christian tradition). Outside of the Church all you'll do is speak old languages and read old books. We want the Church to do more of that again, but we can't separate from it.

[@notsam9528]

@Logos Logistics but they are not in full communion meaning their sacraments are invalid outside of necessity, like if you live in a country with no Catholic Church but there's an orthodox parish. If you choose to go to an orthodox community in detriment of a catholic one than you're committing schism and you're not in communion, thus not receiving valid sacraments. This would be like saying you don't need the Church because you can have spiritual communion.

[@zarganon9594]

The Catholic Church welcomes you with open arms to the fullness of the faith even if it is hard to see the end goal of salvation

[@kelechukwuanozyk7605]

@Logos Logistics the Catholic Church teaches that Orthodox Church has apostolic roots, not apostolic succession. Apostolic succession or any succession is found in only one place

[@julieelizabeth4856]

You are correct the Church will become good again. It seems to have a time of weakness about every 500 years. Fr. Mike Schmitz has a great video on that. We are definitely in a time of weakness now. The "current state of the Church" has nothing to do with what the Church teaches, no matter how few people are able to follow those teachings which are the ultimate truth. Eastern Orthodoxy is attractive only because it is smaller (so it's not Satan's biggest enemy) and it doesn't get attacked as much. But it has its share of problems too.

[@Believer1in3]

I will never leave the Barque of Peter. I will suffer anything for my Church. Catholic til I die!

[@KarmaKraftttt]

Then we have to go against Francis. God will judge his papacy, because clearly francis is not a real pope. Remember even Knights Templars would agree this too. "We don't fight for the pope!! We fight for the glory of GOD" †

[@JackTimothy]

I have big news for you.... there are multiple Petrine sees with mutual authority. Alexandria, Antioch, & Rome all have ties to Peter the Prince of the Apostles according to Pope St Gregory the Great (540-604) 2/3 churches still belong to the Eastern Orthodox communion to this day. Rome left the others and became the first protestants before the reformation after inverting the Trinity (discarding the first ecumenical council) and attempting supremacy over all other bishops.

[@Believer1in3]

@@JackTimothy they never had mutual authority. The See of Peter has always had primacy and supremacy. The Fathers are clear on that. I can provide quotes. Jesus changed Simon’s name to Rock for a reason. He was quoting Isaiah 22 in Matt 16::15-18 for a reason. Just like Eliakim was the prime minister of the house of the King(Hezekiah)while he was gone, Peter was the new prime minister of the household of the King(Jesus) while he was gone. The office of Eliakim held the keys of the household signifying authority and authority to speak with the authority of the King. Peter is the Key Holder. He is the Chief Apostle. His office is akin to Eliakim’s. That office alone has primacy and supremacy.

[@KarmaKraftttt]

@@JackTimothy Papacy is Biblical but all im saying is not every pope will be perfect for that role. Just like a "President" is a great role. But not all presidents are good. Some can be bad and some can be good. After-all we are all normal human beings.

[@elliotlazarus9257]

Suffer for Jesus Christ. Not a man made fallen and phony organization

[@perrylc8812]

At least the Orthodox aren’t doing what the Catholics did to them in making them convert under the threat of violence. I’m Orthodox & after watching your current Pope there’s no way I could even think about changing over, even though being disabled it would make life so much easier due to the distance I would have to travel.

[@izabeera166]

Rejecting the Church cuz of a bad Pope is like rejecting Jesus cuz of Judas.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

​@@izabeera166 God didn't build his church on the rock of Judas.

[@LifeWithFlowers]

I find this video very insightful. Thank you for your quality content.🙏🏽

[@NikolaAvramov]

The care for actual legitimacy is the actual main reason for most conversions. Ask the actual converts. Ask the many priests that converted after serious theologian research, like Father Aristibule Adams or Father Spyridon Bailey. It has nothing to do with feelings or comfort. Father Aristibule Adams had been assigned by the Vatican to produce arguments against the Orthodox Church. After 11 years of dilligent research - he found a huge number of Roman Catholic forgeries and he converted to the Orthodox Church for legitimacy reasons. Legitimacy.

[@cmoberg2036]

At a crisis time in my life and in my faith I went seeking for something more than my Protestant upbringing. I had many family members who are Catholic and grew up being very comfortable in that environment but there were certain things that I just could not accept. I discovered the Eastern Orthodox church and had all my questions answered and had found the piece I was looking for so I converted about 5 years ago. The best decision I've made in my life.

[@Brysonlegweak]

Catholicism is the only church for me! Thank you for the great videos, you are helping me lean closer to the Lord every day!

[@kates3853]

"Do you have time to talk about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?" "I'm literally at church rn"

[@wesley3300]

Lol “are you mad at your Pope? Come to our church, we don’t have one!”

[@notsam9528]

Heretics be like: "Are you mad at the authority appointed by Christ in his Church? Don't worry you can join ours where we have none of that"

[@p.doetsch6209]

@@notsam9528 lol, Ain't that the truth!

[@supercalifragic1551]

@@notsam9528 Some of those 'authorities' were into bestiality and children; I think that line of succession was disrupted looong ago. But go off, I appreciate confidence in one's faith.

[@notsam9528]

@@supercalifragic1551 and who said that authority was disrupted? Pretty sure it wasn't anyone trying to usurp that authority right?

[@d.m5139]

Im not going to leave Christ's bride. It's my home and I will never leave it. The church will arise again

[@theresemartin3920]

yes the C Church will rise again !!! purified and more beautiful than ever !

[@peepoclown1]

***What was once the most glorified limb of Christ’s bride, tragically divorced from the wider she and God since 1054. [This comment was posted by Orthobros Gang. 😎]

[@CScott-wh5yk]

You do know that the Orthodox also believe they are the true church too, and want others to partake in the fullness as they see it?

[@dylang606]

Yes and Also Western Rite Orthodox preforms the Mass done by the saints and church fathers of Western Europe pre schism. The Liturgy is preformed in all Latin kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpuThnuipceWqaM is a quick KZbin video for anyone interested in more info on it.

[@nnovo3122]

Yet they always present themselves in opposition to Roman doctrines not unlike Protestants their identity seems to lie in what they are against not what they are for.

[@dylang606]

@@nnovo3122 where? On Twitter? Don’t let some internet fantasy corrupt reality. Go to a monastery or go talk to real life clergy. I did the same at a Catholic mass and have seen with my own eyes that these inflammatory commenters are non existent in reality. You won’t here a word about Rome...you’ll here the Divine Liturgy...no one making an identity off the Vatican lol.

[@workinpromo]

@@dylang606 I'm afraid that's wishful thinking. The two most important sees in Orthodoxy are Constantinople and Russia (Moscow). What is Constantinople called? New Rome. What is Russia called? Third Rome. And these two are now in schism based on jurisdictional authority. So much for that. The popular Orthodox apologists online are clearly defining themselves like Protestants define themselves, I think you would agree. Because they spend so much time attacking Rome's authority that they forget about the fact that they still do not have a working theory for how jurisdictional authority by divine origin should work. This is why there is no official explanation as to how infallibility occurs in a council, begging the question of how they have 7 infallible councils already. Just like Protestants who have a Bible but no idea how it got into their hands.

[@dylang606]

@@workinpromo which part is wishful thinking before you went on a rant that had absolutely nothing to do with my original comment? Lol

[@domineprinceps]

This was a great video and review of our faith. You expressed many of my own thoughts and convictions from my conversion.

[@tjnlindaoconchuir1312]

Great content as always. Thanks for explaining all this.

[@aquiladavid5681]

So you “heard it from a friend” and don’t even know what jurisdiction or local church this “Orthodox priest” was a part of?? Ok, I’ll just be logging that away in the category of things that didn’t actually happen.

[@kyj.wilson4327]

😂 LOL! Groups from Eastern Orthodox and SSPX are both lined up trying to poach people heading into a church immediately following the Pope's letter. Amazing that they mobilized so quickly! Equally amazing that they worked so well together for different causes. Also amazing that they weren't at mass themselves and spent the morning loitering at a conciliar church. This is laughable BS and just sad and desperate really. He's comparing Traditional Catholics who embrace the sacred magisterium and traditions of the Church to protestants like Luther who reject the magisterium and traditions of the church. Luther said if you destroy the Mass, you destroy the church, and he was correct. Luther encouraged tables at a Eucharistic Celebration instead of alters at an Eternal Sacrifice. Early protestant leaders encouraged people to receive Communion on the hand while standing instead of kneeling because they didn't believe in the real presence of Our Lord in the Sacred Host. Traditional Masses are overflowing while diocesan masses are almost vacant. Guess what, SSPX doesn't have to recruit they have more family's than their churches can hold with 3-4 Masses per Sunday. They can build new churches and schools fast enough to keep up with the demand. This is a gross video and an obvious misrepresentation of truth.

[@salez9830]

The fact that there are so many aggresive Orthodox propagandists ''fishing' in this comment section actually proves his point, that they were mobilized to vulturize on the catholics.

[@kyj.wilson4327]

@@salez9830 how does people commenting from their home computers and cell phones on a post prove that multiples groups were mobilized outside a church? Has it happened anywhere else? Did any come back to the same church? He fabricated the story.

[@user-mc5wc5jm4f]

@@kyj.wilson4327 yeah but Holdsworth and I live in the same city, and being former Eastern Orthodox; I doubt there was an Orthodox priest waiting for them.

[@user-mc5wc5jm4f]

I think he means online

[@philkim2328]

How do you explain the presence of the Orthodox Church in Korea? It was a mission of the Russian Church

[@noahjohnson2611]

Good luck getting a response on this one, brother. ☦️

[@physiocrat7143]

@@noahjohnson2611 I would guess it was originally there to serve Russian merchants at the end of the nineteenth century. But for various reasons other people drop in and the parishes grow and attract the locals. This is what is happening with the Orthodox church in Sweden which was brought by migrants but people are trickling in from nearby.

[@philkim2328]

It was an evangelistic mission to the Korean people.

[@marymcgloin3663]

Well said and great insight. Thank you Brian Holdsworth

[@theresemartin3920]

Very profound the whole of your analysys ! thank you Brian

[@publican168]

Alaska, Japan and other nations were missionized by Russian Orthodox missionary saints like St Herman and St. Innocent. Russia itself was the fruit of Greek Orthodox missionaries and the linguistic efforts of Saints Cyril and Methodius.

[@luizfelipe5399]

1) St. Cyril and St. Methodius are Catholic because they are pre-schism. 2) Catholic missionaries (like Francis Xavier) reached Japan in the 16th century; they evangelized it until it became ilegal to be a Christian in Japan and more than 400 Catholics were martyrized there (search "Martyrs of Japan"). Note that Japan was never a Portuguese territory to begin with, however Catholic missions were there anyway. Only in the 19th century the Russian Orthodox arrived to Northern Japan, as they were taking territory from Japan like Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. 3) Russian Orthodox missionaries came to the Alaska only after it was already Russian territory and only in the turning of the 19th century. Catholic missionaries have been evangelizing in the Americas 4 centuries earlier than that, that is why most countries in the Americas are Catholic today. When Orthodox get out of their territory, things get messy. They don't all recognize each other. The same city can have two different Orthodox bishops, sometimes in mutual schism between them, sometimes alledgedly part of the same "Orthodox Church" but claiming the same authority over the same population.

[@johncox2284]

We have had a couple of people come to my Orthodox parish from the Catholic Church. I think a lot of people who come over are attracted to the mystical aspect of Orthodox theoligy. The controversies of the past 20 years in the Catholic Church has pushed some people out. I can say, though, that the Orthodox Church is definitely not poaching Catholics. If anything, we want the church to be one.

[@sheri6089]

You put this so well! I like listening to you as you explain things in a balanced and easily understandable way. I would really like to hear what you have to say about the various catechisms.

[@TyronePatrickFahey]

Good one Brian, well put mate! (as always)

[@spiderb3367]

It’s so sad to watch this stuff and Catholics really think we are underhanded and preying on you in your weakness...we are distraught for you faithful Christians and we desire for you to be joined to the true Catholic Church the Orthodox Church

[@MikeyJMJ]

Reactionaries are foolish. Be wise. Struggle is necessary. Clergy come and go but the Church, the mystical body of Christ, is here to stay.

[@CoastalReaction]

I can guarantee you that reactionaries understand this better than you. They especially understand power and human nature. Your insult is baseless and reveals your ignorance.

[@wholesome122]

Bingo

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@CoastalReaction The racist ones, for example, do not since it actually contradicts the true faith which is for all mankind. Such as the ones in 2016-17 or so. As in, I get their points of view, but they can’t hold ideas that fundamentally oppose the faith.

[@CoastalReaction]

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 the word racist is of communist origin. It's a magic word with no real meaning. I understand the criticism against some of those considered "Reactionaries", but I never punch right. Neither should you.

[@CobraRedstone]

Orthodoxy is not reactionary. Nor do we want reactionaries.

[@Hope20249]

Thanks Brian. Really interesting video. God bless🌻

[@jtrinidad9625]

The apostolic sees of Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Constantinople still exist

[@ronaldbobeck1026]

I agree with you. How do you Violate the basic teaching of the Catechism and still say that you are practicing the one true found in the Holy Roman Catholic Church ? I HAVE A LINE IN SAND , if the folks in Rome cross it I am going Eastern Rite. I am second generation Polish off the boat

[@loveandmercy9664]

All of those were conquered and are Islamic now minus Jerusalem. The Turkish government doesn't even recognizes Patriarch Bartholomew's title. Only Rome and Addis Abba still stand free.

[@penya6628]

Yeah he kind of messed up with his rhetoric. But you have to concede that some of the cities themselves don’t really exist. Antioch is in ruins and Istanbul has just ended Hagia Sophia’s status as a museum recently. From a cursory view these places don’t seem like centers of Christianity…

[@Abk367]

@@loveandmercy9664 so ?the patriarchs are still around and will continue to exist did they not exist during the time of persecution under the pagan Roman emperors?That's not really a valid argument . have you also forgotten how rome was the first to fall to barbarians ?

[@jonkalmen1556]

@@Abk367 Rome did fall to the barbarians, however they converted to Christianity. Constanople fell to the Turks unfortunately, They're not converting any time soon.

[@Liwkram]

A traditional Catholic community is the community that follows the vicar of Christ.

[@Luka-xx5ve]

So who do we follow? Honest question, pope Francis dropped title from himself right? Im not sede.

[@markcline516]

@@Luka-xx5ve Follow Pope Francis, he was duly elected by the Holy Spirit

[@Luka-xx5ve]

@@markcline516 I know I dont deny him as far as my knowledge goes. Im just saying he dropped title of Vicar, and Im not counting many other bad moves including last moto proprium

[@handel1111]

Francis, apart from cancelling TLM, he also cancelled the title of The Vicar of Christ

[@markcline516]

@@handel1111 he didn't cancel the title, he prefers to only use one of many titles "Bishop of Rome," all the other titles still apply to his seat.

[@Slaweniskadela]

First of all, thanks for Your content! It is always nice watching Your videos, even though I am Orhodox (I was practising Roman Catholic until 2017 and I hold bachelor degree in catholic theology). 23:46 That is quite big misunderstanding of the Orthodox Church. It would be advisable to form Your opinion on Orthodox Church going from how Orthodox Church sees itself and not from Catholic explanations of what Orthodox Church teaches. Often times the two are very off. Think of it this way. Let's say I wanted to get to know You, but I'm not asking yourself about You, instead I ask one of the people who already knows You, or thinks he knows and then form my opinions about You on that. Would that be just, or would You prefer that I would get to know You from your own words and deeds? National Churches is not how Orthodox sees itself. This is an outside view. All canonical Orthodox Churches are in communion by One Holy Eucharist, Body and Blood of Christ. It is more about administration here. So called "National" names in some of the Orthodox Churches do not mean that You have to be of that nationality, instead they just tell us of where the administrative centre is. Theology is one, dogma is one, practices differ a little bit (but so do in Catholic Church), and more important than all that - it is about One Eucharist, One Christ, One Blood and One Body. "Nationalism" is even condemned by the Orthodox in 19. century as the heresy of ethnophiletism. If You have time and are willing, look it up.

[@jenniferthomson3279]

It was not the SSPX people there to poach people. I'm in Edmonton and go to both FSSP and SSPX. The local SSPX go to FSSP on their off weeks, since we only get Mass twice a month. That was an off week for the SSPX, so we there and came for Mass, no other reason. People may have discussed the SSPX option after Mass (nothing that I was privy to though). I went to 12:30pm Mass and there weren't any people out front before Mass trying to talk to us, orthodox or otherwise.

[@sunnyday7843]

Thanks - I am in an area with sspx and it took me so long to find out where their chapel was - they’re just reverent and nice people too- we did a procession and went out of our way not to seem as though we were aiming for something like attention as we passed by various churches on the way to a park . Our sspx priest notified the catholic NO parish ahead of time as well. We passed by in silence and the NO people along with many folks on the street knelt in prayer . These debates just need something to get excited about . I finally found the sspx chapel and they just live their lives with faith . No one seems out to argue !

[@levisando]

That closing line needs to be shouted from the rooftops by Catholics right now

[@emilywallace9043]

This kind of poaching reminds me of men and women who swoop in when someone is having marital problems and they take advantage of their vulnerability to start an affair and/or encourage a divorce

[@mariadeven4112]

Good analogy

[@Cacaomama]

That hits close to home on so many levels for me.

[@supercalifragic1551]

Except that the other spouse in that scenario is constantly undermining you and heavily suggesting they don't want you. They're changing with some new modern mainstream trend while you're the same as you were before. They aren't who you loved anymore, they willfully changed and now reject you. Not to detract from Catholicism on a catholic channel, it's distasteful, but BOI are there some problems with your leadership that from my perspective as an outsider, seems to undermine your very roots and heritage in favor of modern opinions of Man. It's a problem widespread throughout all Christianity, afflicting most churches. I don't want to see Catholicism fail, I want to see you guys recover from the corruption and parasites infesting you and become stronger than ever. Christianity as a whole is better off for it.

[@emilywallace9043]

@@supercalifragic1551 even if I accept your view, it does not change my analogy whatsoever. You said you’re an outside so it might be that you don’t understand our view on marriage. But vows are vows you make to God, “for better or for worse.” So even if your spouse openly rejects you as you say it would still be sinful for someone to come in and encourage an affair or divorce, rather than working on rebuilding the marriage. Also I don’t mean to suggest all Orthodox are like this, only this particular tactic of “evangelism” I find well sleezy, again just this particular tactic

[@dylang606]

Especially since the story of SSPX and Orthodox priest snapping their fingers like the Sharks and the Jets from westside story waiting outside of the church to poach parishioners never happened

[@minasoliman]

Your argument against Orthodoxy makes absolutely no sense. First of all, the successors of Antioch and Alexandria still exist until today. Second of all, there’s no hindrance to evangelical work. Third of all, the argument is there is no need for a central human figure in the universal church because that NEVER existed, at the very least in the East. I would recommend reading Laurent Cleenewerck’s “His Broken Body”. It’s eye-opening, and the ecclesiology presented that has not changed is in Orthodoxy. Unfortunately it’s Rome that changed ecclesiological principles, and that’s not even a development, that’s a flat out change. I respect your traditional values, and I’m not poaching you either. In fact, I have nothing but respect to the Catholic Church and its spirituality. But I’m not convinced Papal supremacy is “orthodox” let alone “dogma”. And I’m just surprised at your arguments as they usually have foundation, but not in this case.

[@sapereaude6339]

Weren’t Alexandria and Antioch first under Mamlukean control and now is in just ruins? Just like Byzantium under the ottomans. Of course I could be wrong. I’m not orthodox and don’t study orthodoxy so you’ll probably correct me.

[@Badnercalabrese]

@@sapereaude6339 sadly Antioch as a city is long in ruins. That said, the seat of Antioch moved to Damascus (Syria) for a long time and never stopped functioning.

[@minasoliman]

@@sapereaude6339 I’m under the patriarchate (papacy) of the Coptic Orthodox Church. That IS the Church of Alexandria. Just because there was suffering doesn’t mean the church disappeared. Rome survived despite persecutions. So has Alexandria and Antioch.

[@minasoliman]

@Brian Farley I do have Upon This Rock. I don’t think I have Pope Peter, so thank you for these recommendations. I will add it to my reading list :) The word “Pope” simple means Father. It was first used for the archbishop of Alexandria before being used for the archbishop of Rome. To “practice papacy” is to practice spiritual leadership and fatherhood, which all archbishops have. The word “Pope” is a title of endearment and honor, not a dogmatic title over the whole Catholic Church from an Orthodox perspective. Rome was not the only bishop that received hyperbolic praise and honor. But every archbishopric had their jurisdiction, every archbishopric had their struggles, every archbishopric has their flaws, and by the grace of Christ, they’re still here, but Rome seems to have been the only archbishop that took what was hyperbolic praise and acclaim into dogma (and now recently even Constantinople is dabbling into similar ideas).

[@minasoliman]

@Brian Farley thank you brother! I appreciate your respect. I just want to reiterate how much I have love and respect for the Roman Catholic Church. I’m a fan of this channel and of Bishop Robert Barron. I see a lot of my own church’s doctrines and concerns shared in these channels despite other dogmatic disagreements. I see the Pope as the successor of St. Peter and Paul as well, and I believe you have valid sacraments. I do get very happy when someone comes from whatever background to join any of the Apostolic churches (RC, EO, or OO). I hope our bishops can continue to have discussions together without poaching or disrespect and to be able to understand one another fully.

[@jackieo8693]

While I prefer the Tridentine rite, I have attended the Novus Ordo where it has been celebrated with great reverence and beauty. But the Tridentine Rite is the wave of the future!

[@animefreddiemercury]

I'd like to think that, but the new church wont allow that

[@jackieo8693]

@@animefreddiemercury not at the moment but it's coming!

[@animefreddiemercury]

@@jackieo8693 I mean I'll keep saying my rosary and doing penances, but I'm not expecting anything to change. World is worse than in 1917, and the hierarchy dont even seem to believe in the faith. I think they'll start blessing gay "marriages" and ordaining women before they embrace the pre-councilior teachings

[@jackieo8693]

@@animefreddiemercury maybe but don't despair. The triumph of the Immaculate Heart is coming!

[@animefreddiemercury]

@@jackieo8693 eventually, but I doubt in my life time. It's gonna get a lot worse, listen to the warnings at Akita.

[@NdxtremePro]

So, as a reality check, the way you are feeling right now is how the synagogues and the Pharisees felt about the early Jesus followers. Also, you are missing the point if you think this is all about liking the Mass or something like that. The Pope is making a very clear example of the points the Eastern Orthodox have been expressing from the Schism. There are big Traditions, those that Christ personally taught, and little traditions that men have added. The last few Popes have been messing with the structure and content of the big Traditions, which indicates they believe they are above Jesus. If this doesn't give you a crisis of faith in the Pope, are you really paying attention? (The Mass as expressed in whatever spoken language is fine, and there will be others that are what you think, but the changes of the content are the major problem.) This is the reason I am not becoming Catholic, having been looking into joining. The structure of the Roman Catholic Church doesn't allow for correction, due to the notion of infallibility. It's really telling you are describing all your examples in worldly ways, and not looking at the spiritual implications. The spiritual way of looking at it is not a position of strength or weakness, but rather is the harvest ready. Again, this is exactly how Christianity started, and how Christ described the way the world works. I want to thank you for helping me confirm my path toward Eastern Orthodoxy. May God open all our eyes.

[@salez9830]

That's a ridiculous comparison, as Jesus didn't vulturize on anything. He and His Apostles preached Gospel, not cynically wait until others will be in a state of confusion.

[@NdxtremePro]

@@salez9830 Right, He called people out of darkness into the Truth. As the Orthodox have been doing, before this latest attestation of the fallability of the Papal Authority doctrine.

[@voltfields3900]

We have Eastern Catholics, we not not just Latin. We have epharcies and you don't need to abandon the boat, just move on a different part of the boat.

[@8475143117]

I was baptized Latin Catholic but left the Latin Church because I feel in love with the Byzantine Liturgy and have been Melkite ever since. So sorry that the Latins are having such confusion and chaos these days and we Melkites just keep on Liturgizing along.....

[@ConvenienceMan]

I agree, but we also don't want the toxic TLMers bringing their toxicity into the east. My position is to welcome the disenfranchised Latins, but be firm in your eastern traditions.

[@ConvenienceMan]

@Sanctus Paulus I'm not saying all ppl as I clarified in an above comment, but the TLM I went to had jansenist and highly scrupulous undercurrents and very judgemental people that expected you to instantly conform to whatever the top point on the online talking heads was (ex wearing masks was the sign of the beast and it was a sin for the bishop to enforce them).

[@josephzammit8483]

I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

[@connorestelle5059]

I’m not going anywhere, I will stick with Rome to my dying breath. Hold fast to the faith of your fathers my brothers and sisters

[@lorddevonshire6382]

I totally agree, and I'm an SSPX supporting layman!

[@josephzammit8483]

I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

[@mariem8280]

You've explained very well what the traditional Catholic Church is. May God continue to bless you and your show.

[@drewmann856]

I have a very, very hard time believing an Orthodox priest was outside of an RCC parish poaching Roman Catholics.

[@aquiladavid5681]

I thought the exact same thing. Second hand account is very weak evidence. “I heard it from a friend…” isn’t proof. For all we know, it could’ve been a Coptic or Maronite priest. If it’s Sunday, Orthodox priests are serving LITURGY.

[@Beebles9140]

@@aquiladavid5681 No sorry coptic priests like other orthodox will never do such a thing. They have too much to do on their list than stealing sheep. These accusations are totally false.

[@TJohnOConnor]

That doesn't make any sense... or maybe it does considering how much Catholics dont know about the diversity of the Church. The Catholic Church is comprised of 6 liturgical Rites / Latin, Byzantine, Armenian, Alexandrian, East Syric and West Syriac. Within those Rites there are 24 autonomous, sui irius Churches, all in communion with Rome. Byzantine Catholics share the same heritage as the Eastern Orthodox. We express the faith the same way as the Eastern Orthodox. We are the Orthodox churches that restored communion with Rome after the Great Schisim that chooses to manifest this Orthodoxy in the spirit of the first millennium.

[@boicerdiegio1709]

Unbeknownst to you, you are a member of a human-made church politically in order to further break up the primary Orthodox Church. Be that you to realize this and go back to the original Church.

[@mattmackmack9173]

I went Byzantine Catholic 15 years ago and love it and feel at home. i was already becoming disaffected with Latin Catholicism and was happy that the Extraordinary Rite communities were becoming a place for many Catholics. Eastern Rite Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy have such a different ethos that i don't think many traditional Mass Catholics will necessarily find a happy home there. The solution was what Pope Benedict XVI provided and this Marxist pope unsurprisingly is out to destroy it.

[@eleftheriosmas]

... Rites are just externalities. You are literally in the same "church"😑. I honestly dont understand Catholics who like to fool themselves with the Orthodox "aesthetics".

[@Arkangilos]

I really hope if you do an actual SSPX video, you read their own positions and not the positions others say they have.

[@dylang606]

Also, ask them if this story he heard from his cousins friends sisters uncle is even tru lol

[@diana.the.writer766]

I go to an SSPX church. Say what you want.

[@angpuppy6943]

I have no idea if the rumors you relayed our true, but your argument is basically “Stay strong and don’t listen to these untrustworthy people because I heard they’re trying to poach us. And by the way, Catholicism is true.”

[@charlieclubers]

I mean to be fair this is a catholic channel, so beginning with the assumption that Catholicism is true is not very surprising. Plus Brian has several video arguing for the the Catholic Church veinte the one that Christ founded. If that’s indeed true, then his arguments stand, even if we won’t be seeing the TLM as much any more.

[@angpuppy6943]

@@charlieclubers My point is he’s reacting to rumors and not really giving an argument. His arguments against Orthodoxy are based on a superficial understanding of it and he’s assuming Catholics switching just jump ship because they prefer they prefer the liturgy. When your life and things happening in the Church bring you to a place of wanting to understand the Orthodox perspective on the schism and you’re trying to balance your research with Catholic sources to defend Catholicism, his arguments aren’t helpful.

[@charlieclubers]

@@angpuppy6943 This video is not an argument of Catholicism vs Orthodoxy. In this video he's not considering the question of whether one should be Catholic or Orthodox. He's already assuming Catholicism and simply saying that this change to the liturgy is not a good reason to leave the Faith. I.e if someone is convinced that the Catholic Church is the one Christ founded, then this change in the liturgy does not affect that reality. There very well may be Catholics who become Orthodox after considering both traditions, but that's not what he's talking about. He's talking about those who are jumping ship simply because they are not happy with the liturgy. Imagine it this way, imagine a friend of yours told you he was becoming protestant not because he doesn't see the truth of the Orthodox Church, but simply because he like the drums and guitar solos at the nearby protestant congregation. Don't you think that would be a silly reason for converting?

[@angpuppy6943]

@@charlieclubers I’m still Catholic. I don’t know if I’m going to convert. Probably but it’s extremely difficult. This isn’t something you consider on a whim. I’ve been exploring Orthodoxy on and off for a few years now and the Orthodox do not let you convert on a whim. You have to be an inquirer for quite awhile before you’re allowed to become a catechumen. This video is nothing but him reacting to hearsay.

[@charlieclubers]

@@angpuppy6943 I understand that may be your experience, but I think, or at least hope, that Brian is talking about those who are leaving out of anger rather than a lack of belief in the Catholic faith (as I imagine that's your experience). Just out of curiosity, what is it that is pulling you towards Orthodoxy over Catholicism? I don't mean to get into a conversation/debate of Catholicism vs. Orthodoxy over KZbin, I think those types of conversation are more easily had in person.

[@rjames76]

Desiderius Erasmus, probably the most hated of the reformers had been put both in the Index and excommunicated, however he still remained loyal to the Roman Catholic Church. We are in the City of God with both saints and sinners, to break unity in a time of tough tribulations shows that we were never committed fully

[@elliotdavies1418]

Unity, or continuity, was broken by Rome a thousand years ago. Why waste your clear genuine piety and love for the church on the Bishop of Rome who has no respect of the ancient canons and councils. The conciliar hierarchy of the episcopate debated and decided rules to govern our liturgical life which Rome only pays lip service to and ignores when he can't reign supreme in opposition to the Holy Spirit and the intercession of the saints. Saint John the Wonderworker rightly said the venerable liturgy of the Western Church is far older than any of her heresies. In Christ, Elliot

[@RedRiverMan]

right on !

[@levisando]

The hint that you might do a video on the SSPX in the future is much appreciated

[@MichaelPeria]

Wonderful sharing on what is Tradition and how important it is for a true Catholic. Thank you. Michael Peria from India

[@johncox2284]

I am Orthodox. The greatest tragedy in the history of Christianity was the split between East and West. It was a long time coming and it wasn't so much one side break ing away from the other but both sides breaking apart from each other. I can say that the attraction to the Orthodox Churches is a liturgy that has held fast to the original.meaning of worship. Everything in an Orthodox Church points toward the fact that it is where heaven and earth meet. The Western Church got more involved with modernist tendencies in worship and architecture but the big issue was when the Western Church started making decisions outside the conciliar nature of the original church.

[@noahjohnson2611]

May we all return to the unity if the first millennium. I love the Western tradition and think Orthodox have a lot to learn from traditional Roman Catholic piety.

[@Personaje123]

I agree is a tragedy but you must come to the one church Jesus founded. Jesus did not allow divorce but you're in a church that does. Jesus set Peter as the leader of his church and his church is universal. There must be one definitive leader for a church to has any claim of universality otherwise is not.

[@katkat2340]

Very nice and Christian words - thank you

[@NikolaAvramov]

"The greatest tragedy in the history of Christianity was the split between East and West." Not really. The Monophysites splitting and the consequent enabling of Islam to overwhelm Christianity. The 4th Crusade beheading Orthodox Christianity. The final fall of Constantinople. The "Crimean war" directly preventing the liberation of Constantinople in a huge Western Christian push in alliance with Islam against Orthodox Christianity. The regicide by the Bolsheviks hired by King George V and funded by German industrialists, AGAIN directly preventing Constantinople from being liberated and stopping the evangelizing of Asia. It's been a hundred bloody years without an emperor to protect Orthodox Christians ever since. Very gruesome and hard hundred years. On the day of the Schism in 1054 Roman Patriarchate was in the minority, both as a single Patriarchate and it had fewer believers. No huge calamity happened. All that happened twas that the Roman clergy just formalized their own pursuit of political power and willigness to venture into heresy for it.

[@NikolaAvramov]

@@noahjohnson2611 Undo the heresies of Philioque and consequent heresies and have the clergy repent for them and there's a seat for the Patriarch of Rome that has been awaiting every Pope since 1054 to fill in and return to the fold. And cut with this un-Godly vanity and bloodlust. That would be seemly as well.

[@CatholicK5357]

I relate very much to what you saying about truth being the most important. When I was first looking into more traditional forms of the faith, I was impressed by so many liturgies. But once I realized that the Catholic Church was true, even though I found the Novus Ordo liturgy disappointing, I knew that I had to attend mass. But I am grateful that God showed me a traditional mass community in my local area. But if that went away, I could not switch to a schismatic sect simply because of a preference for traditional liturgy.

[@tanksgt]

Hearing that about the SSPX is odd. Consider 2 things here: The laity that go to the SSPX chapels do not represent the Society of Saint Pius X. Secondly, generally those same laity tend to freely mix between Diocesan structures and the Society chapels in general.

[@dylang606]

Video or it did not happen

[@dylang606]

@@artemiuszradzichowski Western Rite (video link for people wanting to know about the traditional mass preformed in Latin that we attended kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpuThnuipceWqaM) is in North America, I attended, I have no idea why you would attribute this to us? Because we have a Western European lineage? Instead of a wild ass guess I’d probably just stick with it didn’t happen instead of the random slander

[@jedrzejm.8113]

@@artemiuszradzichowski there are Western Rite Orthodox in USA and at least some of them are quite peculiar to me, because they actually use the Roman Missal of Pope st. Pius V (edition from 1570) with no epiclesis added (like they usually do in other places) and no change to language of the Mass. The only thing I think they change is calendar, but I'm not sure about this (I looked at their website and they had a Mass for the Feast of st. Ignatius of Loyola) and they remove Filioque from the Creed.

[@shackledcitizen]

I was a "cradle" catholic, raised in the latin rite. I served as an altar boy having been taught the latin responses and prayers. I watched the church slowly become more and more , to my mind, loose its soul. I am no longer a believer. Yet rejoice in my catholic upbringing, as it gave me a wider outlook on life and culture. Because of it, I can follow the great masses written by the great classical composers etc. I will attend a latin mass, from time to time, which now is to be deied me. Your video is excellen. Thank you sir.

[@mariusfilip1847]

As an Orthodox who has a lot of sympathy for Roman faithful (not so much for the Roman hierarchy), I'd encourage you to go back to Christianity - for real. There are lots of people with burning love for Christ, including in the Roman Church. While I do wish every person to become Christian and every Christian to become Orthodox, I would say that being raised Catholic was a gift that you can't throw away - at least not with the price of throwing Christ Himself (Who is much more than a kind of rite or a certain type of liturgy). Be blessed in your soul.

[@shackledcitizen]

@@mariusfilip1847 Thank you Marius for your kind and heartfelt words. I also has a great respect for the Othodox Christian faith, which we were told as Roman Catholics, we were permited to attend, if no Catholic church was available. The Creed sung in Russian at Easter, can bring a tear to my eyes. I would return to either faith, if I could believe in the existance of God. But I am afraid, logic and reason keeps getting in the way.

[@NoeticInsight]

@@shackledcitizen Prideful "logic" and "reason" will stop you from believing in God, but humility will always lead you to have faith in God. Spend time with some real Orthodox monks, and you will begin to learn what true humility, spirituality, and theology is. And then, once you acquire the gift of humility...that is when the mystery of faith begins to grow.

[@shackledcitizen]

@@NoeticInsight That is the dumbest response ever. I seek proof not "humility".

[@NoeticInsight]

@@shackledcitizen You seek “evidence” of God, yet you don’t want humility…when humility IS the way for you to see the evidence that is blatantly all around you. Humility is the greatest virtue a man can achieve, because humility is the only way to truly know thyself. And once you know thyself, only then will you know God and the veil that is before your eyes will be lifted and suddenly you will see and understand the evidence that has always been there. Pride makes man foolish, humility makes man truly intelligent.

[@axioschannelx]

You know that Traditional Catholicism isn’t working. It is time to embrace the Orthodox Catholic Faith. Visit your local Orthodox Priest and talk to them.

[@eDENjoetree]

I’ve already made up my mind. I’m joining the Orthodox Church, and so are many others that I know that are either doing the same or considering it. TradCatholics fear Orthodoxy, because it is the only serious opposition and claimant to being the One True Church.

[@idman4647]

@@eDENjoetree I’ve also spoken to a lot of RCs on this issue. They’ve literally admitted they purposely avoid Orthodox polemics out of fear of being proven wrong. I converted to Orthodoxy from Trad RCs a year ago best decision i made. That whole scene is an absolute disaster and living contradiction.

[@physiocrat7143]

Visit your local Orthodox Liturgy a few times and get the flavour. Your local Orthodox priest will probably advise you to do that.Then try to look at the claims of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church. After that judge the truth of the claim that there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church and study some history.

[@chrisflorescu6743]

I used to be an orthodox. Orthodoxy is not the way.

[@physiocrat7143]

@@chrisflorescu6743 Clearly neither has Rome been the way for the past 50 years. Which leaves?

[@georgehage905]

The Eastern Orthodox have never left the Church. The same great miracles and Saints continue on both sides of the isle. Leaders and others on both sides must forsake the carnal ego in order to realize forgiveness and reconciliation. We can’t keep holding to the mistakes of the past as they keep us from seeing one another clearly in the present, the space of the Divine Presence.

[@jkellyid]

I've come to believe that part of the Catholic life is this tension and interchurch conflict. Because the conflict itself exposes the reality of the truth of the church and it's necessity in the world.

[@stephenson19861]

It seems like a very good conclusion. It reminds me on the time of Great western schism where there were few popes, or pretenders to the position, and you had saints who supported different sides and it was a nasty, bitter, ugly struggle.

[@neotalin7238]

I am not a big fan of Hegelian dialectics. The Truth will not be set free through conflict. We are dragged away from it by conflict. And it's not a necessity in the world, albeit a reality in this world. A world being actively led astray by evil's workings.

[@petershearon9294]

Super good and important video. Thanks.

[@thomastheconvert8136]

I think you best crack open a history book. The Orthodox Church of Moscow brought Orthodoxy to America and Canada. The present Orthodox Church of America is now autocephalous, but it was once under the Patriarch of Moscow. I am in a Greek Orthodox Church, but I routinely go to Russian Orthodox, Antiochian Orthodox, Serbian and Albanian Orthodox Churches. We are in communion share the same liturgy and theology.

[@anyam6912]

I would question what the intentions were of the supposed Eastern Orthodox priest. ONE of the biggest complaints people of the other Christian denominations have about the EO is that they don't evangelize. So what was he trying to do? I don't think it was "poaching".

[@eduardovalentin9416]

Well considering that the Orthodox Church in North America, at least in the US, is comprised of just over 50% converts, the allegation that we dont evangelize is as stupid as this recent motu proprio

[@anyam6912]

@@eduardovalentin9416 It seems to me that all this converting happened with the rise of social media. And to be honest, especially on KZbin (content creators as well as people in the comments ) all the people I see suggesting disillusioned Catholics should convert to Orthodoxy are actually ex-Protestants or a similar denomination. So it would make sense that it's ingrained in them to do this type of thing. The priest from a Russian Orthodox church in Dallas put it this way. "The first and most important thing to remember is that we do not bring anyone into the Church - its not our job. We do not attract people to the faith, we do not convince people of the Truth, we don't do any of that. God is the One Who attracts people, Who brings them in the door, Who convicts their hearts, Who brings them to repentance, Who convinces them of the Truth; we do none of this. Too often in the North American model of evangelism, the individual person is made responsible for doing God's task, but in attempting to do God's work, we neglect our own. What is our task? Our task is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit (St Seraphim), our task is the working out of our salvation, our task is to repent and weep for our sins, our task is to enter the Kingdom of God. This more than anything else is what we must do. This is an evangelistic task - indeed the primary evangelistic task."

[@dylang606]

It’s a made up story he didn’t even witness himself. I don’t believe SSPX and Orthodox priest were standing outside of the church waiting to poach parishioners like the Sharks and the Jets from westside story lol

[@anyam6912]

@@dylang606 It really is hard to believe. Particularly the EO Priests. If they did that they'd be going against the church teachings. It doesn't make sense. Unless they were not actually priests (who are very distinct in the way they dress) and actually just some converts to Orthodoxy who are bent on their old habits of evangelism and converting. From the Russian Orthodox Church of Dallas: "The first and most important thing to remember is that we do not bring anyone into the Church - its not our job. We do not attract people to the faith, we do not convince people of the Truth, we don't do any of that. God is the One Who attracts people, Who brings them in the door, Who convicts their hearts, Who brings them to repentance, Who convinces them of the Truth; we do none of this. Too often in the North American model of evangelism, the individual person is made responsible for doing God's task, but in attempting to do God's work, we neglect our own. What is our task? Our task is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit (St Seraphim), our task is the working out of our salvation, our task is to repent and weep for our sins, our task is to enter the Kingdom of God. This more than anything else is what we must do. This is an evangelistic task - indeed the primary evangelistic task."

[@dylang606]

@@anyam6912 it just did not happen. This is a reactionary video to address the small amount of loud mouth orthodox and Radtrad online. Should not let the Twitter sphere obscure our view of reality. If you walk into an Orthodox or Catholic Church you won’t hear the type of conversation that you do from the online radicals.

[@starlightatdusk4896]

Not all EO are like this, but some certainly are. When I was Lutheran and my church body was undergoing a crisis, there were some EO that were hanging over us like vultures, ready to pick off our weakest. And with this latest crisis, I have gotten some friend requests and DMs from that same type of EO after I put up a post about the latest crisis. This has honestly made me even less likely to consider EO as a viable option.

[@MikeyJMJ]

They're like this on twitter too.

[@dylang606]

That’s tough, log off line and walk into a church or monastery though. Losers online are everywhere Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant ect. I’m sorry you’re dealing with that 🤷🏻‍♂️. One last bit of info I will leave you with is Western Rite Orthodoxy. The mass is the same as the Western European Church Fathers and Saints attended pre schism. It’s also done in Latin. Here is a quick video on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpuThnuipceWqaM. Also, who cares, just block those people, it’s ok. God bless you

[@anyam6912]

I'm very annoyed with some of the comments on here. To the cradle Eastern Orthodox: Follow the way of your brothers and sisters in showing support and offering prayers to Traditional Catholic friends during this tough time for them. Do not allow yourself to be goaded by the radicals among them to fight and defend the Eastern Orthodox ways. (See message below for the Orthodox church's teaching on evangelism) To the convert Eastern Orthodox: You may have come to the EO church from Protestantism or Catholicism or some other such Christian denomination. You may believe you are thoroughly Orthodox now, but you made one major error. You forgot to leave your old habits at the steps of the church before walking in. The Eastern Orthodox church does not have a tradition of evangelism or defensive apologetics. So stop trying to convert or convince others. To answer questions or explain views when asked is one thing. To actively attack and put down another is not the way. (See message below for the Orthodox church's message on evangelism) To the 'radical' Traditional Catholics: When a member of the EO church offers you kind words, prayers and empathy during this turbulent time in your Catholic church, do not attack them accusing them of being schismatic sinners and demand they convert to Catholicism. Those in the EO who know history know of the crusades - rape, murder, pillaging of the Orthodox at the hands of Catholics. So trust is low. The general EO have watched for decades the abuses at the hands of the Catholic leadership - rape, pedophiles and molestation, financial scandals, cover ups, massive wealth accumulation, clown masses etc. You have no ground to stand on in your attacks against the Orthodox church or its members. I know you are feeling vulnerable right now, hanging on to your faith for dear life despite the chaos around you, however lashing out is not a solution to troubled times. The stance of the Eastern Orthodox church on evangelism, simply and accurately described by the Priest of the Russian Orthodox church in Dallas: "The first and most important thing to remember is that we do not bring anyone into the Church - its not our job. We do not attract people to the faith, we do not convince people of the Truth, we don't do any of that. God is the One Who attracts people, Who brings them in the door, Who convicts their hearts, Who brings them to repentance, Who convinces them of the Truth; we do none of this. Too often in the North American model of evangelism, the individual person is made responsible for doing God's task, but in attempting to do God's work, we neglect our own. What is our task? Our task is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit (St Seraphim), our task is the working out of our salvation, our task is to repent and weep for our sins, our task is to enter the Kingdom of God. This more than anything else is what we must do. This is an evangelistic task - indeed the primary evangelistic task."

[@WhiteChocolate74]

If Eastern Orthodox get upset over a massacre that happened 800 years ago that's they're problem. Plus, they have blood on their hands too

[@anyam6912]

@@WhiteChocolate74 out of EEEEEVERYTHING I said ... THAT is what you come up with. Incredible.

[@WhiteChocolate74]

@@anyam6912 OK sorry. I'm just fed up with grievance politics today so when I hear that dredged up again I'm just like 🙄😒.

[@anyam6912]

@@WhiteChocolate74 and that is exactly what I was talking about in the comment. I addressed the cradle Orthodox, the convert Orthodox and how they need NOT misbehave. That this is not their fight, and it is un-Orthodox to try and convert people or insult their faith. I then addressed the "radical" traditional Catholics explaining that when the Orthodox express their support and prayers during this troubling time, accept it because the Orthodox have been through Hell and back. They survived state oppression and so much more so the support and prayers they offer are sincere. Therefore it is not the time to insult or attack the Orthodox - And don't try to force them to convert to Catholicism considering what they have seen and experienced in the past decades because it's futile. It's not a good time for that type of talk. I essentially reprimanded everyone for bad behavior and redirected them to think clearer on their words and actions. Christians of all denominations need to support each other. Period.

[@WhiteChocolate74]

@@anyam6912 OK good points. Thanks 😊

[@Andrew-pm5bg]

Fascinating, well-reasoned, and convincing. Tremendous depth, as well!

[@WestsidePredator]

In all fairness, the SSPX people that you’ve described id not take as a normal part of the whole. I attend their parishes however, and I hate being lumped in as a schismatic with the Orthodox like it seems your video does; intentional or not.

[@joeoleary9010]

What about all the millions of Orthodox in Europe who've been "poached" by the Catholic church over the centuries through the RCC's aggressive promotion and church building?

[@briansardinas1359]

That's called evangelization.

[@devinlawson2208]

What about the Middle East? The papists engage in constant sheep stealing of Orthodox Catholic faithful. Same thing in Russia. They have an ENTIRE RELIGIOUS ORDER called the Jesuits which are professional sheep stealers for the Pope. It’s just disingenuous at this point.

[@orthodoxretrograde40]

@Brian Sardinas Threatening, coercion and violence is not evangelism… look into the history of how the Uniates were established and promoted, it’s not pretty.

[@handel1111]

Just remember the early Catholics under Pagan Rome, they were severally and brutally persecuted yet they endured through it

[@Badnercalabrese]

In those days we had bishops who held true to the Faith. Now you have bishops that are constantly making changes. Do Catholics really think the 'New Order' mass is what Christ and His Apostles wanted ?

[@theresemartin3920]

@@Badnercalabrese there were also bishops that weren't true to faith in those times !!

[@Badnercalabrese]

@@theresemartin3920 of course! In EO it is often said the path to Hell is paved by bishops and priests. No Bishop was 'infalliable' by dogma until Vatican I.

[@theresemartin3920]

yes, we must remain faithful to the Cath Church, the one established on the Rock of peter by Christ our Lord

[@khealer]

There's no such thing as early catholics dumbass. The early Church was One.

[@amymarie7403]

I've heard, online, people talk about their FSSP parishes full to the brim after the TLM document but my diocesan TLM actually seems a bit smaller. I don't know what's going on.

[@JasonCodreanu]

I was raised Roman Catholic. It was brought to my attention that my church was in error on some fundamental things like the filioque. Also papal infallibility always seemed wrong - lo and behold it is wrong. That was the main push for me into Orthodoxy. Why anyone would remain in a sect so explicitly in error is something I can only presume is stubbornness.

[@reviewreviewer1]

The Filioque was taught by many church fathers.

[@markianayakymets7861]

I think it is worth noting that within the universal Catholic Church there are 6 Ritual families and within those, many Rites; the Roman Catholic Church being one of those rites. These 6 all have various traditions. As a Byzantine Catholic I have a different tradition than the Roman Catholic but my rite is traditional as well. My Rite is under the Pope of Rome and we are a part of the universal Catholic Church. The Ordinariate being a Rite within the Roman Catholic Church is a similar example. I appreciate your perspective and your videos. Thank you!

[@laleydelamor1327]

What’s more interesting, all my ancestors were Roman catholic and never spoke latin in the church, at least so long I can track my ancestors (back to 16th century).

[@gerhardsrensen6815]

100% It's petty annoying to hear Catholics say they're "Roman" Catholic. They're not. They're just Catholic and belong to the Latin Rite or the Ukrainian, Greek, Maronite or some other rite all in communion with each other. This is more of an Anglican thing so they can pretend they're Anglican "Catholic". (From a Roman Rite Catholic).

[@laleydelamor1327]

@@gerhardsrensen6815 Sorry, in the country where I live, we say that the most are Roman Catholic just because we have some percentage of Greek Catholic, so that people could know the difference in rite. My ancestors never spoke latin anyway, so I don’t care much for lithurgy language. God bless

[@Thetruthisnoteasy]

@@gerhardsrensen6815 there is no Ukrainian or Greek rite, sir, what an idiotic thing to say

[@gerhardsrensen6815]

@@Thetruthisnoteasy Haha clearly you don't know. I actually know Ukrainian and Greek Catholics and they have their own rite in communion with Rome as part of the Catholic Church. I've been to their masses. Sorry if that upsets you.

[@lorddevonshire6382]

The Orthodox and the SSPX are very different things. The SSPX are within the Catholic Church. It may be that a few turned up and invited you to join them, but I wouldn't interpret that in some kind of hostile way. I guess they just wanted you to know you were welcome if you lost your TLM. Also, I would point out that lay people can't be members of the SSPX, as it's a priestly fraternity, and the priests have no authority over people who attend their masses. If you were offended by them, I apologise on behalf of all SSPX supporters. Let's stick together, all Catholics who love our faith!

[@joeoleary9010]

Another person claiming that the SSPX are Catholic. They are not Catholic. Pope Francis says they are not Catholic. Pope Benedict XVI explained that the SSPX has no canonical status in the Catholic Church for doctrinal reasons and that SSPX ministers "do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." Pope John Paul said the SSPX are not Catholic. *NO* pope has ever said the SSPX are a part of the Catholic church.

[@hughmongoose8966]

I remember watching a video from Reason and Theology. In that video, Father John Whiteford said “I see the traditional-minded Catholics are struggling. The doors of the Orthodox Church is open for you”. He must be the head of the Marketing Department of the Orthodox Church.

[@petrosdorizas6814]

Speaking as an Eastern Orthodox here, I too have been troubled by what I've seen from some fellow Orthodox in this troubling time for our Roman friends. I feel that many are more interested in gloating and telling you "I told you so," as opposed to trying to finding a path which will be less divisive and which might actually help bring some of you guys over.

[@petrosdorizas6814]

(not saying that the grass isn't greener here though :D )

[@kimfleury]

I'm Latin Catholic. There aren't any Orthodox churches near me, so it's highly unlikely that I'd consider changing over. I appreciate that you want unity, but I think the way to pray and work for unity is to pray for our bishops and Patriarchs to lead the Faithful according to God's will, according to the truth of Jesus Christ, and not men's opinions. The most troublesome thing for a Faithful Christian is to be shepherded by an opinionated, unfaithful man. The next most troublesome thing is to be claimed by two or more different shepherds, each claiming to be the true representative of the Owner of the flock.

[@realityisreality3581]

Cope

[@aquiladavid5681]

The difference is that the dogma or practice of the entire Orthodox Church cannot be changed by the pen stroke of a single man. If all but one Orthodox bishop falls into heresy, then Orthodoxy remains unchanged. This is why you have seen countless innovations in the west that amount to apostasy and heresies in the last millennium, but the Eastern church has preserved the fullness of the true Faith.

[@realityisreality3581]

Truth divides when many despise it. Christ prefers us to be hot or cold, and not seeking an artificial middle ground, pretending to be neutral, when it is really a contempt for the Great Commission.

[@Surge_Sursus]

"So in these days, therefore, our ranks are being thinned. God does not expressly say to the Church ‘tell your cowards to leave’, they just leave… Nobody allows things to work out this particular way. And then will come, not in our time but not far after our time, and perhaps in the time do some, then will come the battles and the testings. Our Lord said, “Satan will sift you as wheat”. And we’re being shifted as wheat." - Ven. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

[@edwinkubena9944]

The Church has been hijacked by leftists it left us don’t try to be a hero by calling those who see this as giving up!

[@EHenterprises]

Where in scripture does it Jesus say Satan will sift you as wheat? Is that in a parable? Anyway, Lord be with you.

[@Surge_Sursus]

@@EHenterprises "And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat" Luke 22:31 (Douay-Rheims). This was during the Last Supper.

[@diana.the.writer766]

I noticed there was an insinuation of SSPX and "Tradition" being a separate thing. I find that confusing. Anyone else?

[@stcolmcille]

As an Orthodox Christian I disagree with folks hanging around any non-Orthodox congregation meeting place in order to get them to check out Orthodoxy. That being said, Brian's description of what an authentic Christian Church is, "apostolic", traditional belief system, "grounded in tradition", etc. is claimed by more than just the Roman Catholic Church: The Greek (Eastern) Orthodox, The Coptic Church, The Armenian Apostolic Church, and the Malabar Indian Christian Church. The Copts and Armenians left the Church when they did not accept the Council of Chalcedon. The Indians did not accept the Council Ephesus. The Roman and Greek Churches split in AD 1054 in a dispute over the role of bishop of Rome. So, the real question here is does one accept the papacy as Roman Catholic doctrine teaches? I have heard many a Roman Catholic, disappointed with the pope tell me they didn't care what the pope says, they'll follow the Faith. Well, then you're not a true Roman Catholic. For according to the Roman Catholic "Faith", you must follow the pope because he is, according the the Roman church, the "Vicar of Christ." So unless I'm mistaken, he speaks for Christ until Christ returns.