Eastern Orthodoxy is quite an intellectual faith though. It just puts more emphasis on the mystical
@redeemedzoomer60533 ай бұрын
it isn't anti-intellectual, it just does less academic theology than the West does
@igorlopes75893 ай бұрын
It sometimes is deeply suspicious of intellectuality. Look at how they have this narrative of "Latin Captivity", rejecting what the orthodox thought during the modern age because it's too catholic. Or sometimes focusing more on liturgical customs than in truth claims during debates with catholics
@ObliviAce3 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 That's fair.
@VictorPanteleimon3 ай бұрын
@redeemedzoomer6053 perhaps the reason for that is because it isn't in a majority? Secondly, you might find less academic research in orthodox theology in western languages compared to when you use the languages where Orthodoxy is the majority.
@igorlopes75893 ай бұрын
It sometimes is outright irrational in its arguments, they don't care whether their arguments make sense or not. The other day I saw an orthodox saying "they say the Pope is the Vicar of God, but a Vicar only exists if the Master is dead". I refuted it and instead of answering my refutation the dude just ignored it in his answer. They don't care about intellectuality
@SgtPiper3 ай бұрын
Ex Non denominational Christian who converted to Eastern Orthodoxy Greatest Decision i made in my life im going to be received into the church may
@billytheconqueror58033 ай бұрын
What did you convert to?
@SgtPiper3 ай бұрын
@@billytheconqueror5803 My bad Orthodoxy lol will edit comment
@wild_burn3 ай бұрын
I think that we can all agree that any denomination is better than non-denomination (Baptist)
@SgtPiper3 ай бұрын
@@wild_burn Better then 7th day adventist though there borderline Arians
@zeropointomega5453 ай бұрын
@@wild_burndo explain. I’m a Catholic and I wanna mess with my non-denominational co-workers😂
@machinotaur3 ай бұрын
I think the mystical aspect of Orthodoxy comes from humility, the recognition that some things can't be known by us, no matter how many theories and systems we create.
@Acehalo22 ай бұрын
Well said!!!
@KevinBullardАй бұрын
Nailed it
@shadyboltbandit33023 ай бұрын
As a Roman Catholic, I find the Eastern Orthodoxy teachings quite fascinating, and they definitely have it figured out by just embracing the mystery of our Lord, which is something I wish could just do. God bless my Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters.🙏✝️❤️☦️☺️
@anahirodriguez67263 ай бұрын
Have you checked out the Byzantine rite of the Catholic Church??
@shadyboltbandit33023 ай бұрын
@@anahirodriguez6726 Don’t think I have.
@AutisticPsychologist3 ай бұрын
orthobros are very toxic. They also love their man made traditions and James 2 when the Bible says its faith Alone which saves and NOT WORKS. You can't lose salvation. Add any works to grace and its no more grace. Jesus said He won't lose anybody the Father gives Him. I'm Greek american I know about orthodox ppl in real life too. Not my style.
@somerandomguyonyt87663 ай бұрын
I’m glad to see so many people who are converting or looking into converting to orthodoxy ☦️ 😊 I wish you all a blessed lent so that we all may better keep in our hearts the Paschal grace
@radagon85962 ай бұрын
I will be more for the unification of catholics, orthodox and ethiopians into one churche
@Jesse_753 күн бұрын
Just made the decision to start the journey of joining the Orthodox Church. I feel like this will be one of my greatest decisions. ☦️
@aleksajankovic34613 ай бұрын
Bro has personal beef with Orthodoxy.
@seraphimdunn3 ай бұрын
I did too. A lot of converts come to the Church after fighting against Orthodoxy. Hopefully, one day RZ will go back through his debates with Kyle and Jay Dyer and see how poorly Calvinism compares to Orthodoxy.
@toboioioioioioioioioioioio79663 ай бұрын
After the debate with jay dyer and kyle he got butthurt
@pedroguimaraes60943 ай бұрын
Probably because a lot of Orthobros are annoying him online and thinking that by doing that they will make him convert. If you google 'Orthobro", you will see tons of conplainings about orthodox Christians behavior online.
@Shiranui1153 ай бұрын
I don't think it's even necessarily that, it's just that it's hard to imagine two Christian traditions more diametrically opposed than the Reformed tradition and Orthodoxy.
@Nia-uj1ch3 ай бұрын
@@pedroguimaraes6094Orthodox here. A lot of those orthobros most times aren't really orthodox people but people who pretend to be. And some of them are newly converts who couldn't put their protestant past behind ( i have come across many protestants who they like to fight and belittle you). Im a cradle Orthodox (raised to the faith from a young age) and i don't see the need to harass anyone. I will tho correct people who say inaccurate things that most of the time derive from poor bible translations. Greek language isn't easy to translate in English and lots of words have various meanings depending on the context of a sentence and the time in history that the word was used. So depending on the bible anyone has there might be significant differences that causes confusion. The Internet is not the best place to meet orthodox people. If you want to know how we really behave visit an Orthodox church and you will see the difference irl.
@Sophia_at_MIA3 ай бұрын
“The Orthodox don’t like to be too intellectual” ughhhh I’m banging my head against my desk. St. John Chrysostom, an Orthodox Saint, wrote what can be considered the first book of systematic theology, but go off I guess. 🙄
@LordMicahBroch3 ай бұрын
Yeah, not like what was considered "Orthodox" was way different back then
@Soviet.Christian3 ай бұрын
He also would be called a saint by Lutherans. Is he now a lutheran saint? It's important to know the theology today. Many denominations claims that the church fathers were actually like them
@catnappernellie12113 ай бұрын
And then nothing was ever written again, Easter orthodox theology stagnated, long ago. You can’t pretend that eastern academic tradition even holds a candle to the west
@allfleshisgrass.3 ай бұрын
@@Soviet.ChristianJohn Chrysostom believed in Sola Fide. Read his commentary on Galatians. You would think he was Luther.
@igorlopes75893 ай бұрын
Point at intellectual theology in orthodoxy after the Schism and outside the "Latin Captivity"
@gardomedia3 ай бұрын
Just converted to Orthodoxy. Hallelujah. I confess that Jesus Christ is the son of god and that he was crucified, died for our sins and rose back from the dead!☦️
@GodSurelyBlessYou3 ай бұрын
Welcome home!
@AutisticPsychologist3 ай бұрын
orthobros are very toxic. They also love their man made traditions and James 2 when the Bible says its faith Alone which saves and NOT WORKS. You can't lose salvation. Add any works to grace and its no more grace. Jesus said He won't lose anybody the Father gives Him. I'm Greek american I know about orthodox ppl in real life too. Not my style.
@AutisticPsychologist3 ай бұрын
@@GodSurelyBlessYouur name just shows how cringe and toxic orthodox are and catholics online.
@Alex-09083 ай бұрын
Amen.
@serb98143 ай бұрын
Welcome brother ☦️
@evertaj24383 ай бұрын
Converted to Eastern Orthodoxy from dutch Reformed Calvinism. Best decision in my life. I will never be going back. Christos Anesti!
@az6943 ай бұрын
Verrader! 😁😆 Nee begrijpelijk! Het zijn er steeds meer!
@dove55913 ай бұрын
Works can not save you 😶
@julenkaev3 ай бұрын
Kyrie Eleison!!!Glory to God
@fidyy_3 ай бұрын
Αληθώς ο Κύριος!!
@YoshiokaTsuyoshi3 ай бұрын
@@dove5591 Yeah we Orthodox don't believe works can "save us", we don't "work our way up" to salvation, it is God in His mercy who saves us when we accept it by aligning our will with His, this is in the gospels.
@Th3rtySe7en3 ай бұрын
{1 John 4:16} N.K.J.V. : ”And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.“
@King_Leonidas7233 ай бұрын
Since god love is infinite you can’t possibly understand infinite because it’s not defined and anything you think it is it’s more. You can only know his energy, his characteristics.
@igorlopes75893 ай бұрын
@@King_Leonidas723Unpopular opinion: the characteristics of God are his Essence because he can't be God without them, so they must be identical to the Divine Essence. His Power, his Intellect, his Will, his Omnibenevolence, his Mercy, his Love, his Justice etc all identical to the Divine Essence
@King_Leonidas7233 ай бұрын
@@igorlopes7589 His energies is just the characteristics of his essence, since infinite isn’t a number you can’t even possibly put a label on how great he his, but since you can still know god you can know what those characteristics are (his energys).
@matheusmotta1750Ай бұрын
@@igorlopes7589God's Energies emanate from His Essence.
@igorlopes7589Ай бұрын
@@matheusmotta1750 What do you even mean by energies? His Actions? His attributes? Both? Because on the issue of the attributes all of them are essential for God to be Who He is, so the attributes must be God's Essence necessarily
@reminder91463 ай бұрын
You just converted me to Orthodoxy.
@randnew29003 ай бұрын
Dude, a lot of what he describes in the video isn't unique to Eastern Orthodoxy. Also the "Filioque" debate is sooo duuumb. It's just 2 sides saying the same thing with different words & I find it silly how Zoomer uses THAT as the defining difference. Really, the key difference is ecclesiology.
@reminder91463 ай бұрын
@@randnew2900 The Orthodox would disagree.
@randnew29003 ай бұрын
@@reminder9146 I"d love to hear another perspective
@reminder91463 ай бұрын
@@randnew2900 They are not hard to find. You could also just wander into an Orthodox church. That's an option too. A KZbin comment section is a rough place to have such a conversation. "The errors of the Catholics" is a decent video to start with.
@meina06143 ай бұрын
@@randnew2900idk. Filioque seems to suggest hypostatic procession of the holy spirit from the father AND the son. Sounds like a big deal and change from the perspective of other churches that claim apostolic succession.
@vexxshades20043 ай бұрын
Meeting with an orthodox priest this Friday. Finally a church that puts emphasis on what I read and believed to be the core message of our lords teachings. It’s ironic I say finally, because it’s the original church, but finally arrived into my life.
@Patrichor7773 ай бұрын
Θέωσις (Theosis) is the meaning of life.
@kostafilipovic84883 ай бұрын
I'm Eastern Orthodox☦️.Thank you❤❤❤
@phillipdino63 ай бұрын
The name of the game for us Orthodox Christians is humility, and experience. We constantly are reminded of the impermanence of worldly things and that our lives are inconsequential on a cosmic scale, it’s because of this that I believe we are actually one of the most liberal church’s when it comes to sin since we are acutely aware that we powerless to evil and temptation.
@MajorMustang11173 ай бұрын
So grateful to Jesus for rescuing me! First, He used wonderful Protestant friends and family to rescue me from Mormonism and undestand the Trinity, Faith in Jesus, the eternality of God instead of just one of many prior gods. Then, after 10 years of getting to know Jesus, He called me into Holy Orthodoxy. I am home. Home with Jesus. Home in His Church. "There is no other name under Heaven by which we MUST be saved."
@jjunboxing0003 ай бұрын
Honestly this makes so much sense to me
@TimothyNyota3 ай бұрын
it doesn't
@Patrichor7773 ай бұрын
Theosis is the True meaning of life.
@bruhmingo3 ай бұрын
It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Divine simplicity is the most internally consistent view, and it’s something that cannot be affirmed if you differentiate God’s essences and energies.
@jakewilliam153 ай бұрын
@@bruhmingo ADS doesnt, Is God eternally provident over creation?
@SgtPiper3 ай бұрын
That's because it's the truth
@victormargulius6323 ай бұрын
Protestant here, I’m probably gonna decide to become a catechumen soon ☦️
@DavinaMaryMagdalene3 ай бұрын
welcome home 🤍☦️ I'm a Catholic on the path to convert :)
@Gibbstronic3 ай бұрын
I pray the Holy Spirit guides you on your journey!
@Orthodox_Knight3 ай бұрын
God bless you all
@TheTruePheever3 ай бұрын
come to Catholicism
@TheTruePheever3 ай бұрын
@@DavinaMaryMagdaleneplease stay with the truth, Matthew 16:18-19 Papacy is the truth, even if Pope Francis isnt the best...
@thomasewatt3 ай бұрын
Jay Dyer already debunked this, so I'm going to leave it be.
@az6943 ай бұрын
Do you have a link to this?
@anastasisphyrillas673 ай бұрын
Blessed Sunday of St. Gregory Palamas
@DaveMiller7413 ай бұрын
Im converting to Orthodoxy
@GogakuOtaku3 ай бұрын
How come Kyle hasn’t shown up here yet?
@dylanpotter59543 ай бұрын
Some fruit is too low-hanging
@user-dw8rv9mi3l3 ай бұрын
Messianic to Orthodoxy about a year ago its a matter of the heart
@wrongsuitnotie84273 ай бұрын
I was protestant until three months ago. If you're on the fence or curious, talk to a priest.☦️
@indigofenrir72363 ай бұрын
Ew. Why priests? Jesus is the mediator between man and God (1Tim 2:5). We don't need priests.
@Patrichor7773 ай бұрын
@@indigofenrir7236The Church that Christ founded has Priests.
@indigofenrir72363 ай бұрын
@@Patrichor777 No. Priests serve as mediators between God and man. Jesus is the new High Priest (Heb 4:14) and the sole Mediator (1Tim 2:5). In this dance, buddy, your words are empty without Scripture to back them up.
@Patrichor7773 ай бұрын
@indigofenrir7236 The Theotokos is a mediator between her Son and us men on earth.
@indigofenrir72363 ай бұрын
@@Patrichor777 Nope. Never read that in the Bible, therefore it's false.
@franklinfitzgerald3753 ай бұрын
You’re a great evangelist for Orthodoxy
@intergalactichumanempire97593 ай бұрын
Eastern Orthodoxy mentioned. Inb4 they all flood the comment section. EDIT: I never accused anyone of being a bot, I simply pointed out how Eastern Orthodox people flood the comment section of any video where they're mentioned.
@ccrow33553 ай бұрын
All the bots will be saying how they converted
@maggyinahat3 ай бұрын
@@ccrow3355 :) Atheist to Orthodox Convert here. Glad to know I'm a bot
@calvinkane34673 ай бұрын
@@maggyinahat Protestant to Orthodox here, apparently I'm a bot as well. XD
@detective22213 ай бұрын
@@maggyinahat You're a bot.
@detective22213 ай бұрын
@@calvinkane3467 Bla bla bla.
@robertilie6273 ай бұрын
We like to be intellectual we study theology a lot
@williamvillena86583 ай бұрын
W orthodox ❤
@dylandilley38203 ай бұрын
☦️☦️☦️
@captainfordo13 ай бұрын
I believe in Divine Simplicity but I do admit that this is more intuitive to understand.
@redeemedzoomer60533 ай бұрын
Yeah, but when you remove the smoke and robes, it's really just Kant's subjectivism
@Sophia_at_MIA3 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 🙄
@Christos-Anesti-ICXC3 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053were you predestined to say that ?
@greenacresorganics79223 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053That's completely illogical and anachronistic.
@protestanttoorthodox36253 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053let’s be kind to each other my Protestant friend
@The_Honcho3 ай бұрын
God Bless Christ’s Orthodox Church, following Christ and being apart of such an active living faith has been the best decision of my life ☦️
@extradecaf87783 ай бұрын
As long as a denomination believe Jesus is the messiah, died for our sins, and rose from the dead, then it’s good with me. We can debate respectfully about the other stuff
@k.popper26203 ай бұрын
I don't know the Trinity is kind of important too
@xHollow.3 ай бұрын
Accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior Believe in the trinity and repent(change your mind) of sin. and Boom you’re saved. Hopefully our brothers and sisters in the EO church can agree on this and not come at you for it. God bless anyone reading this✝️❤️🙏
@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior3 ай бұрын
May be important but isn't in the Gospel@@k.popper2620
@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior3 ай бұрын
@@xHollow.You just created a false Gospel. Nowhere in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 does it mention the Trinity, nor in Romans 1:15-16 - both define the Gospel. Be careful adding things to the actual Gospel. Yes the Trinity is an important doctrine, but it's not involved in being saved. It's something many people learn after being saved.
@renaldoawes22103 ай бұрын
@@k.popper2620 It's important but your salvation isn't contingent on your understanding of it.
@stevepa9993 ай бұрын
It should also be stated that we believe that because the evidence backs up our hypothesis. There are many people alive today who have met our modern-day saints and can testify that they have received a certain grace from God that can only be described as theosis.
@DarKMilitiaClan3 ай бұрын
“Remember im just a Minecraft KZbinr” lol XD ☦️☦️☦️
@Faith_n_Christ_3 ай бұрын
☦️
@ZBielskiАй бұрын
So thankful that after almost 30 years as a protestant i found orthodoxy!
@maggyinahat3 ай бұрын
Condescending tone aside...yeah that's basically true of our theology surrounding Essence/Energies. It doesn't really tell you much more about us though.
@swagmonee56993 ай бұрын
The "condescending tone" is literally just his voice lol if you watch any other video, specifically the one about Presbyterianism which is what he ascribes to, you'll hear that he sounds the same there too
@maggyinahat3 ай бұрын
You're right. I apologize for any rudeness. @@swagmonee5699
@ninjason573 ай бұрын
@@swagmonee5699 Listen to his conversation with Trent Horn. It's not "just his voice" it's his personality.
@xHollow.3 ай бұрын
wait till you hear Jay dyer in not only how he talks to Rz, but how he debates, and even insulted him on his theology.
@renaldoawes22103 ай бұрын
I doubt he could fit all of Orthodoxy in a youtube short. He just focuses on the general idea of each faith.
@strygian1923 ай бұрын
This guy thinks hes way smarter than he is from his tone. Orthodoxy is amazind
@R_t_o_b_y24 күн бұрын
Found my way to the Orthodox Church after searching many Protestant churches. Always felt somthing was missing. I Glad there’s been so much more exposure of the Orthodox Church. Was baptized into the EO Church in February this year.
@franciseenc3 ай бұрын
You should make a video like “1 Minute case for Sola Scriptura.” Kind of Truth Unites styled! God bless.
@albabialdayaqi58853 ай бұрын
Sola scriptura --> 30 000 protestant denominations.
@franciseenc3 ай бұрын
@@albabialdayaqi5885 can you name just 30 pls
@johnjelinek39833 ай бұрын
You are covering the content of the 9th Ecumenical Council. Might do you good to cover Ecumenical Councils 1-8 first.
@ilkc1003 ай бұрын
I grew up orthodox and have never heard of this…that we can just become like “gods” never…
@nghost75903 ай бұрын
Do you live under a rock? Theosis is a very key part of Eastern Orthodoxy. Some would say it’s the meaning of life.
@evertaj24383 ай бұрын
@@nghost7590 would make sense that converts would know more about the faith rather than born Orthodox Christians. When it feels like its forgranted you dont take whats given to you as serious as someone that grew up with a different background searching for the truth.
@AutisticPsychologist3 ай бұрын
orthobros are very toxic. They also love their man made traditions and James 2 when the Bible says its faith Alone which saves and NOT WORKS. You can't lose salvation. Add any works to grace and its no more grace. Jesus said He won't lose anybody the Father gives Him. I'm Greek american I know about orthodox ppl in real life too. Not my style.
@3within13 ай бұрын
Just because theosis is present in what you’ve learned in Orthodoxy doesn’t mean that it is everyone’s experience. Do you live under a rock? Don’t you know that not everyone’s orthodox experience is the same? I say this in jest but hope you can learn that your experience of something isn’t always the same as everyone else’s experience of that something. Lord have mercy on all of us.
@mohamedshiekh6353 ай бұрын
I’m not Christian but I do agree with you, we can never ever become like God, we’re God’s creation and God isn’t anything like his creation. God has given limited things in everything we have knowledge, power, life, wisdom, intelligence. It’s a blasphemy to say that. Also personal experience don’t prove anything, it’s personal so it’s subjectif, you can’t prove it, it’s only known to you.
@christinah1283 ай бұрын
Oh my - so many flavors of ice cream 😊 IMHO the author’s presentation of the Eastern Orthodox Trinity reveals his subjectivity- This author presents as intellectual but he does have passion and feeling or he would not be tweaking Orthodox Christian beliefs. The mystical experience IMHO is about being Humble - who are we to assume or “guarantee” anything? To an Orthodox Christian, sin is an illness or infirmary. It is compared by some as a “hospital” concept as opposed to “court of law”. May I suggest the author read Thomas Hopko’s Book on Spirituality for better understanding (if that’s what this is really about). Otherwise , I pray that he has a full and humble experience in the presence of God.
@charlesnunno83773 ай бұрын
The differences are fascinating. Their view would be a lot closer to Buddhism than the West.
@xHollow.3 ай бұрын
Lol yup graceo buddhism at that
@charlesnunno83773 ай бұрын
@@xHollow. Not that I have a problem with this at all. If anything I prefer it. If it were not for the incredible arrogance and duplicity of Christians generally I would be an Orthodox, rather than a Catholic. I think we just need to make a Neoplatonic Church and stick to what is simple and depends as little as possible upon revelation. It should be possible to worship via Greek Philosophy without the neurotic manipulation of revelations.
@miguelatkinson3 ай бұрын
No that would be vishnavite visadvaita vedenta tradition of Hinduism founded by Ramajuna or ibin arbai unity of being
@Asealkaz3 ай бұрын
So… orthodoxy comes with a skill tree… based
@marukchozt67443 ай бұрын
Besides the mystical aspect of it, the doctrines of communicable attributes and incommunicable attributes are pretty similar to this view of energy
@ErickRomero-xv6zz3 ай бұрын
☦☝.
@Nonz.M3 ай бұрын
Not an Eastern Orthodox, but the fall of Constantinople was a very sad day in history.
@cabellero1120Ай бұрын
Orthodoxy is more worshipful than laser light shows and rock concerts and Starbucks coffee!
@memelorddude7688Ай бұрын
I'm catholic but I grew up in a orthodox country and I love my orthodox brothers UNITED IN CHRIST
@BncnjАй бұрын
I get what you are saying, it’s the heart that matters. One could worship in a church with flashing “lights” more than one is a traditional church and the opposite could be said. I would ask isn’t God more worthy than the production or the spotlight we give celebrities? For me I couldn’t be in a church that wouldn’t allow me to go all out in my worship and praise. God brought me from a lot. I mean I was found in a ditch unconscious in the summer in NC. Not one mosquito bite was found on me. I have seen worse things than that in ditches in my area. That just one story. I couldn’t never go to a church (regularly) that wouldn’t allow me to give all of what God is worth and due. Hallelujah means to “(with undignified praise) praise Yah.” It’s a command that David understood. “I’ll become even more undignified than this”.
@flemishgiantrabbitlove28693 ай бұрын
You can't become God you can just be transformed through God into what God wants you to be
@Sanctifying14 күн бұрын
It makes sense. I saw someone say something about the sun, so I'll also use it. What is the sun? The sun is a large burning ball of gas. Out of it comes heat, light, and it has a strong gravitational pull because of its great size and mass. Therefore, you can say the sun is bright, hot, and large. It has all of the characteristics of what radiates out of it, because what comes out of it is made from it directly, but at the same time, the sun isn't made out of heat, light, or gravity, it is gas.
@jobengals8620 күн бұрын
Orthodoxy is so cool. What a gem to rediscover this (as a westerner) 1000 years after our terrible schisms & friction with each other. Brothers & sisters in Christ should never do this again regardless of our preferred church. Love to all of you ♥️
@PJDMC53063 ай бұрын
Partakers of the Divine Nature ftw.
@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior3 ай бұрын
That's just simple Bible doctrine - 2 Peter 1 mentions it. It isn't unique to EO
@Matador824Ай бұрын
Eastern Orthodox don't believe the holy Spirit proceeds from the father and the son for that reason the "and the son" part of the Trinity was later added by the Pope the orthodox believe in a different version of the Trinity because that was the first version of the Trinity
@jameskelly9453 ай бұрын
Blessed is the unbroken chain of apostolic succession, the eternal body of Christ with checks and balances, that doesn’t dwell on worldly affairs of man and political authority, the one church since the beginning not to modernize and try to perfect what’s already perfect, the writers of the Bible, and that which doesn’t create heresies but preserves the original message from our lord a savior Jesus Christ.
@TheGhost135122 ай бұрын
I think that the same belief on oriental Orthodox and we believe that the holy spirit comes from the father and the essence is mystery because the bible said that No one has seen God at any time. The only born Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, has declared him. John 1 : 18 and father in the bible means essence 😊
@titos_z3 ай бұрын
Orthodoxy believes Jesus posses the Holy Spirit and gives it to us so I disagree with your statement
@nghost75903 ай бұрын
Yes we believe the Son can send the Spirit and that the Spirit is rested and manifested through the Son; we don’t believe He proceeds from the Son because to proceed is to be emanated, we do not believe the Son to be a cause of the Spirit.
@titos_z3 ай бұрын
@@nghost7590 exactly because without father there is no son.
@HB_IE528293 ай бұрын
"Protestant, catholic, orthodox here..." Like football clubs. Ridiculous. "I might become a catholic, orthodox..." Again the football clubs. Talk about your "energies". "We are the right religion" "No, we are", "Oh no, we are even righter than you". Every conversation that does not include and point to Jesus Christ and our salvation by His blood is just a bunch of fools in their ivory tower trying to sound smart - and that's just pride.
@maksim34173 ай бұрын
It's still pretty important
@Juan-gd1wd3 ай бұрын
Your point has some truth in it but, for the most part, is just fallacious and reductionist. If you met, let's say, a neo-aryan (i.e, Jehovah Witness or member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo) and they happened to be very fond on talking about Christ and His sacrifice for us, would they pass your criteria? even when they blaspheme against the Most Holy Trinity by denying it as well as the divinity of Our Lord?
@catnappernellie12113 ай бұрын
Knowledge of God and discussions about him bring us closer to the fullness of truth in him
@jacobpalmer75383 ай бұрын
@@Juan-gd1wdI'd say for the overwhelming majority no, they would not pass the criteria because they are rejecting the core message of the bible and salvation. Even so, I do find it hard to believe that not a single one has been able to find saving faith. I am with OP 100 percent on the football club view, most denominations across the world are slandering each other over definitions and grey areas, and it's weakening the church overall. No single church group today is infallible or has theology that's 100% correct. There are people in every major (and I'd say most minor) church groups who have saving faith, and also those who do not. The Lord's True Church is spread across the world, and so many of his children are bickering with each other too hard to realize. I'm not arguing for any sort of universalism, there are "Christian" sects that certainly are heretical in their beliefs, like Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, etc. I'm just tired of my brothers and sisters in The Church bringing each other down.
@Benjamin-bq7tc3 ай бұрын
Are you trying to sound dumb? If so, mission accomplished.
@nickk41253 ай бұрын
So long as you're saying that we cannot intellectually know God's essence then sure. But it seems like instead you're saying instead that other forms of Christianity are more intellectual.
@norala-gx9ld20 күн бұрын
As a philo-Orthodox Anglican I say, this is the way
@marvalice34553 ай бұрын
Sorry greek bros, i just don't by it.
@Benjamin-bq7tc3 ай бұрын
Greek Bros? My family is English/Dutch/Swiss. And I'm Eastern Orthodox.
@marvalice34553 ай бұрын
@@Benjamin-bq7tc it's called Greek schismatic.
@JimtheCODpro3 ай бұрын
Poorly explained
@redeemedzoomer60533 ай бұрын
How so? Orthos always say I misrepresented them but never say how
@xHollow.3 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053it’s okay man. proclaimed “orthodox” (not talking about real EO) will say this without explaining why. it’s simply because of larping issues.
@JChrist0AD3 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053as an “orthobro“, this is a perfect explanation.
@Shiranui1153 ай бұрын
I mean, it's 60 seconds, what do you want from the man Sincerely, an Orthodox Christian
@joeykaram44573 ай бұрын
yeah this is a great explanation.
@mgd2000rb3 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏🏼☦️
@galaxygamergirl9443 ай бұрын
Ethiopian Tewhado next!!
@TheTruePheever3 ай бұрын
my ranking: 1:Catholic 2:Orthodox 3:Anglican this is the only right ranking
@hismajesty62723 ай бұрын
I’m considering becoming either Anglican or Catholic.
@ccrow33553 ай бұрын
There is no ranking. There's truth and not truth.
@ninjason573 ай бұрын
Why should anyone care about your ranking?
@TheTruePheever3 ай бұрын
@@hismajesty6272 you should become Catholic, just remember, Anglican came after
@user-up7nb6id1f3 ай бұрын
@@TheTruePheeverby that logic, second century sects came before Catholicism
@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis3 ай бұрын
It can be summed up as “woooahhh, duuuuude, there’s like… no high like the Most Hiighhhhhh… 😵💫” 😂
@maksim34173 ай бұрын
Ur the only one that's high here 💀
@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis3 ай бұрын
@@maksim3417 I wish… 😂
@noahwatkins6093Ай бұрын
Is there any way I can learn more about orthodox Christianity ? Any resources
@guts2186Ай бұрын
Go to an Orthodox Church and talk to a priest, or can go on Orthodox websites, read Orthodox books, watch Orthodox videos on KZbin.
@dnk29183 ай бұрын
what name of the background music?
@INFAMOUSKAI-jx7rbАй бұрын
You cant become God
@interestingfacts7961Ай бұрын
I believe that such statements show that sometimes we judge the theology of another denomination through our own mental paradigms/the one we're used to. Before saying that we can't be God, we have to understand what theosis means for an orthodox. We can't isolate one teaching from its parent dogmatic system. I believe that this video explains very well what it means for an orthodox to be deified, which is something very different from what we would think!
@INFAMOUSKAI-jx7rbАй бұрын
@@interestingfacts7961 i see where your coming from. But still we cannot become Gods.
@apologeticsnamareАй бұрын
It's ouvbiously not saying we will become God in his essence, which is not only blasphemous but impossible. The Orthodox belief is that we can partake in the energies of God, because their is a distinction. We will become partakers of the divine nature
@apologeticsnamareАй бұрын
@@INFAMOUSKAI-jx7rb energies I beleve meaning glory, righteousness and such
@interestingfacts7961Ай бұрын
@apologeticsnamare exactly. The Othodox actually believe not only that you can't partake in God's essence, but you also can't know it. It is absolutely incomprehensible to any human being.
@nootpengu3 ай бұрын
No hate to orthodox but maybe the reason the west has a better understanding is because he accepted the fullness of the Holy Spirit in our church
@guineapigclips52053 ай бұрын
And orthodxy hasn't?
@Juan-gd1wd3 ай бұрын
Why both you, Zoomer and a couple other Ecumenist/religious indifferent minded Christians are starting to try to pretend that there are no distinctions between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism by calling it "West" or "our Church" when you CLEARLY know that not even Luther and Calvin agreed on MANY issues being, arguably, two of the earliest and most important figures of Protestantism as a whole?
@matt667163 ай бұрын
What does this even mean 💀
@nootpengu3 ай бұрын
@@guineapigclips5205 they haven’t accepted the Holy Spirit preceding from the father and so
@nootpengu3 ай бұрын
@@matt66716 they haven’t accepted the Filioque
@jacobassink69823 ай бұрын
Also note protestants such as Greg Bahnsen and Cornelius VanTil make distinctions between the Ontological Trinity and the Economic Trinity and do not hold to Thomistic Simplicity.
@jik39053 ай бұрын
Prayer here when needed loves ❤
@ccrow33553 ай бұрын
Sounds like some new age bs
@deathbydank32063 ай бұрын
Too bad we’ve existed for 2,000 years
@novo1213 ай бұрын
Here lies a example of someone uneducated
@seventhtrumpet73 ай бұрын
@@deathbydank3206Your mystery Babylon cult has existed far longer than that, just with different robes and hats.
@redeemedzoomer60533 ай бұрын
There definitely is an influence of eastern mysticism on Eastern Orthodoxy
@maggyinahat3 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm happy to report that the Essence/Energies distinction is quite an old one and is not in any way related to "New Age" or their related occult practices or ideologies.
@MGee33Ай бұрын
the end makes sense because Jesus said that only the father knows about the day or hour of judgement, and it’s the holy spirit that traces for believers to be ready
@jacobbeitner87963 ай бұрын
“They don’t like to be too intellectual”
@sidneybuckaloo9 күн бұрын
As a Christian who’s been a Christian for a little over 3 years now… it’s exhausting trying to find a home (sect of belief). How are we to ever know who is correct? As someone who wants to learn… I am truly irritated and frustrated with many of my fellow Christians. It seems all we can do is spend our time calling other Christians “heretics” and “false”. I’m so over it.
@noahsullivan47722 ай бұрын
This is exactly right though. Sounds like it covers all bases including the manner by which saints are chosen.
@jasminegreen29792 ай бұрын
That last part didn't make sense to me. The Holy Spirit is not an "energy", He is a person...the 3rd person of the Godhead.
@k2lt3k2 ай бұрын
Energy isnt the exact thing we call it. the holy spirit is sort of like gods will. trust me when i say, orthodox christians understand quite well the trinity as the very concept of it is orthodox. (see Saint Spyridon)
@jasminegreen29792 ай бұрын
@k2lt3k The Holy Spirit isn't "sort of like" anything. He is God. He is not a force or will. He may enact and speak the will of the Father...but He Himself is not some byproduct of instruction or will. Also, being Orthodox does not make anyone infallible on doctrine. Be weary of pride.
@TadouYogiri2 ай бұрын
God saved me! first he saved me from being fully atheist through protestants, i get to know him and the bible structure, then next my mom brought me to roman catholicism, i studied morality and theology of the roman catholic and i notice that something is very off with the people, the RCC mass feels so scripted and uncomfortable, then I become an atheist again not until I learned about Orthodoxy then I fully prepared myself, to be Eastern Orthodox. FATHER, I AM HOME!
@Beck-bu5cx3 ай бұрын
Yo somebody sent this to Sneeko so he can at least understand what the smarter people believe.
@bensilk64312 ай бұрын
With that bit at the end, are you saying that the orthodox believe that the holy spirit proceeds from the father and the son energetically but not hypostatically? I've seen this claim a few times but im not sure where I can find it as official orthodox teachings.
@Stolen_entertainment3 ай бұрын
God is God by nature but we through theosis and communion become gods by grace and return to Him ontologically like Adam and Eve were before the fall same as all the early Church Fathers believed aswell, this guy is talking a load of nonsense. ☦️🙌
@Dusticulous3 ай бұрын
I'm not a Christian at all but I still like learning about the different denomination's philosophies
@FreeSpeechAbsolutist17763 ай бұрын
As interesting as philosophies are, they are of no use on the Judgement Day on which God will judge us for our sins. The penalty for our sins is eternal torment in Hell. There is only one way to avoid Hell and that is through faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God who took our punishment on the cross, died for our sins, and rose from the dead. Man isn't guaranteed a tomorrow, choose Christ today, lest you die in your sins.
@pearlteredanio293317 күн бұрын
Jesus christ 👇not forcing
@dragontiger6243 ай бұрын
I ask can you do oriental protestant, Or whatever marthomite (or Mar Thoma Syrian Church)
@CODandponies3 ай бұрын
Is this what they mean when people talk about "entire Sanctification"?
@redeemedzoomer60533 ай бұрын
It's something they believe in, yes
@consideringorthodoxy54952 ай бұрын
If, through reasoning of your intellect, you determine that there is an aspect of reality that you cannot describe, say God's Essence, then not talking or theorizing about it is not anti-intellectual, it is quite literally the opposite.
@denizbeytekin98533 ай бұрын
Keep doing these shorts man
@naturesorder71068 күн бұрын
Eastern truth is in the Spirit. The majority of the western view is in intellectual and mind. They know a lot but have no relation with the Spirit. I fear for their souls. Lord have mercy on them who say they know.
@louannebvb3 ай бұрын
I'm a western Christian but i think theosis is very interesting
@dereklwilson7772 ай бұрын
Amen
@AprendeMovimiento3 ай бұрын
Philotheos Kokkinos (A Palamite Father) disagrees with this notion. The essence energy distinction is not a real distinction in God, since his essential activity is to be God (I am that I am). Creatures are acts/energies by participation, so there is a coarctation in the divine essential activity of God and that coarctation is what gives rise to creatures, finite acts. The metaphysical bifurcation happens in respect to creatures not within God, he is Simple (perfect).
@stephenkaake70163 ай бұрын
I was trained by God for 6 months, it was like being in a Bible Story, it should be in a movie
@DylanKatt3 ай бұрын
What are YOUR thoughts on the afterlife? 🙂
@tommy91323 ай бұрын
thought about becoming orthodox (still kinda thinking about it) but its very hard in america. so many european language speaking churches here so its hard to find one to fit in to
@machinotaur3 ай бұрын
Orthodox Church in America and Antiochian parishes are generally English speaking, check those out if they're in your area. Others depends on how many immigrants they have, can vary widely. Hope this helps!
@tommy91323 ай бұрын
@machinotaur I get confused by the scheduling. What is othros and what is liturgy? if u understand
@machinotaur3 ай бұрын
Orthros, aka Matins, is the service before the Divine Liturgy. It has Psalms, songs, scripture readings, information about the saints honored that day. Immediately following that is the Divine Liturgy, which is the big service for the week which has the Eucharist. In my parish most people trickle in during Orthros, many in the last 20 minutes before the Liturgy begins, so don't feel like you need to go for all of Orthros your first time. It's Great Lent now, so there are additional evening services as well. I'd say ust go check it out, it's okay to be confused at first ( I certainly was), there's a lot going on.
@tommy91323 ай бұрын
@@machinotaur that was a big help thanks a lot
@reelmsy383115 күн бұрын
i have a feeling this divinised thing is sorta relating to John 3
@intreuefestundlachen18833 ай бұрын
Basically the works of the saints are really God's works. He is the origin of any Good inclination and the completion of it. All that is required of us is our Faith and consent in each work. So it is essentially the Orthodox solution to the whole Faith/Works debate. When you insert the teaching into the Pelagian debate, this becomes clear. For instance, St. Prosper of Aquitaine explicitly stated that Divine Grace IS God Himself. (Ie Uncreated)
@mfling44463 ай бұрын
The confusion in this video is from the lack of understanding god the father and Jesus Christ. You can never be the father but you can be fully filled with Christ.
@indigofenrir72363 ай бұрын
Verse? Or did you just make that up?
@mfling44463 ай бұрын
@@indigofenrir7236 it is mentioned in the bible that you cannot se god and live, but also moses saw god at the top of the mountain. So i would say moses saw the energy of god not the essense.
@indigofenrir72363 ай бұрын
@@mfling4446 You mean the Spirit of God, represented by fire.
@AtamMardes2 ай бұрын
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire
@oscarmorales82263 ай бұрын
Bible believer here, I can definitely see that the Bible isn't the final authority 😅