Adam Cox chats with Chandler Det. Nathan Moffatt days after Charles Vallow dies

[@cierahowell8653]

This is a brother that LOVES his family because he is being honest and wanting them held accountable

[@marian3516]

This is so sad to listen to. Thank you, Adam and Charles. Wish someone would have taken you both seriously. Think about how many people would still be alive. 😢

[@eleanoraquitaine2966]

"Someone"? The someone should have been the cops but they can hardly function, let alone take these threats seriously and save lives.

[@tiredofitall9213]

Exactly! Charles tried and even went as far as to try and have her 302'D! No one believed him! The only person in her entire family that believed Charles was Adam Cox and possibly his son... The problem is that cops rarely get into religious cult-like issues unless they're a danger to the welfare of others. Unfortunately, Charles, the children, and others were in trouble but there was no proof other than he said she said stuff. After they killed Charles and got away with it they thought no one could touch them! Sadly, we'll never know if Tylee knew something was up or not, but if she did she probably thought there was no one to turn to! If the police department would've taken all of this seriously from the beginning many lives would've been saved but unfortunately, there was no proof they'd murder all of these people! I'm just praying that they don't take the DP off the table with Chad Daybell!

[@eden_aumakua]

SO TRUE!

[@Castedlots]

The so called "church" also dropped the ball.

[@bettyir4302]

@@Castedlots Bishop Gabe...

[@jamybailey]

Thank you Adam for seeing reason. Thank you for seeing the red flags. Thank you for being there for Charles in the end 😢❤

[@tigermoon44]

Adam is asking better questions than the detective. Too bad the the police didn't look further into this. They could of kept three people alive who are dead now.

[@VioletJoy]

He didn't have to ask any questions at all because Adam spilled the whole story. You might disagree with some of LE's actions, but this isn't one of them.

[@StellaFl]

@@VioletJoy it seems to be standard practice in Chandler PD not to ask probing questions. Cox details how Lori and Alex were planning to murder Joe Ryan....Moffat asks zero questions as if he'd been told they take their coffee black. The same as Ynclan did when interviewing Lori. Also, Moffat is talking to the brother of the Lori and Alex. Most importantly, this person was the last one in contact with the victim and he had vanished, never contacting police. How does Moffat know Cox is not an accomplish? He's never met him, never talked to him before. But he answers all his questions, some of them very sus: ie can you retrieve deleted texts, do you have CCTV footage from around the house? WTH???

[@gsis8175]

Four people - Charles, Tammy, Tylee & JJ.

[@StellaFl]

@@gsis8175 Charles had already been murdered when Chandler PD got involved 😺

[@raincadeify]

@@StellaFl Thank you. They didn't have this interview yet when they interviewed Alex. I have to wonder if this is the Mormon club. They always seem to ask whoever they're talking to if they're lds, and Lori's got her parents lined up on her side even before the murder so they're obviously running interference and am I right that her Dad is very respected in the church? I saw the interview (partly) of Gibb and it was like a church potluck it was so friendly, and she was Lori's best friend. This is why we don't have a theocracy, but somehow Utah gets away with it.

[@Heggie42]

My first time hearing this and Adam says so many things I've believed all along... I hope he's doing okay and getting support. Absolutely heart-breaking that the family, the police, the church didn't listen to him.

[@VioletJoy]

Didn't listen to him? It sounded like this cop took it seriously. No?

[@deadmanswife3625]

@@VioletJoy no

[@VioletJoy]

@@deadmanswife3625 I've never heard an explanation as to how police supposedly didn't take it seriously.

[@deadmanswife3625]

@@VioletJoy okie dokie violet

[@valeriarobinson1893]

@@VioletJoyMaybe because three more people were killed…

[@invisible4445]

This is heartbreaking. If the police had followed up on all this appropriately, there would have been less deaths in this horrific drama. Those weren’t red flags, they were blazing red beacons!!!!!!!! (And the audio is fine for me.)

[@VioletJoy]

What did they not do? I've followed this case, but not every detail. It sounds like this cop took it very seriously.

[@candiceparr4174]

If only Adam had called law enforcement. He has all the information, they didnt.

[@StellaFl]

@@VioletJoy Chandler PD had hard evidence it was a murder and not self defense. The most glaringly obvious being a bullet lodged in the floorboards under Charles' body. Alex was a convicted felon for tazing Lori's ex husband (pattern), Alex was in no immediate danger when he went aaaallll the way to his room, got his gun, came back and shot him. And much much more. Yet, they allowed them to go free and said "self defense". The case was reopened when the children went missing I think.

[@MKConnecticut]

I agree. Adam is so sincere

[@JohnWaaland]

@@MKConnecticut Hi. Yes it sounds like he's sincere and it also sounds like he's still mixed up with the church cult‼️😳

[@marian3516]

Chandler PD messed up big time!!! I hope the officers involved in this case were reprimanded or fired. People were killed because they fell for Lori’s smile and flirting. Geez!! A woman in the PD should have been there.

[@kristenrose1345]

I lived in Gilbert, and let me tell you they are pretty careless in doing their jobs. I've seen it first hand a few times. A lot of the officers are young rookies who don't have much time under their belt. Lori was definitely able to sweet talk her way out of Charles murder/investigation. So fucking sad for Charles.

[@Malibu_Dawn]

Prosecuted

[@kristinrogers2819]

A female detective did interview both lori and Tylee.

[@bettyir4302]

That cop who cheerfully told them how Lori could get out of The Bridge treatment center should understand if he hadn't, Lori might have spent enough time there so Charles would still be alive. Ripples in the water.

[@Ropecharud]

@@kristinrogers2819 The female detective interviewed Lori and Tylee after Charles was murdered. I think they were talking about prior to the murders when Charles was trying to warn the police that Lori was up to no good.

[@sharonashcraft6358]

I feel respect for Adam he knew the truth

[@marlysmithsonian5746]

This whole story is about men not being taken seriously. Look at how Charles was treated! I can only hope family files a wrongful death suit against the PD and whoever else ignored Charles. This poor man is right, can you imagine living with how he feels? Just so sickening.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I wonder if that sk*nk of a mother talks to him now. I also wonder if Adam will be the star witness I'm Lori's upcoming trial.

[@samanthaprestley]

This call is riveting and insightful. I’ve never heard it before. Adam you are a class act. Thank you thank you thank you

[@CocoNut-cf8ut]

So much agreement from me. Was shocked to see ppl trash Adam on other channels and write him off. It’s crazy. He’s coming out of this fever dream of religiosity and enmeshed, toxic, family. The world should be as generous with him as he is with the world. Men raised in this culture aren’t taught to be abrasive loud or aggressive. Alex seems the exception . And Adam seems to be a rare voice of sanity and reason

[@sarahteagarden9409]

Why didn’t the police get Charles phone at the incident scene? Why didn’t they arrest Alex at least until they could get interviews from everyone and compare? This police department really dropped the ball on this one.

[@John.Flower.Productions]

The reactions of Lori Vallow and Tylee Ryan to being told that their husband/father had been killed by their brother/uncle, was enough to arrest all three of them.

[@MsCrazymomof3]

Lori had Charles phone and was probably deleting a bunch of stuff. Adam, my heart breaks for you.

[@Malibu_Dawn]

No one can be that "incompetent". If a child falls in pool, no one can claim incompetence and just skate free.

[@cjsmom55]

@@John.Flower.Productions not Tylee she was a victim! manipulated by her so-called mother. Charles was Tylee's stepdad and they weren't really close. her mom would feed her all these lies. she was a child that was manipulated by her mother all her life. dont blame a child victim.

[@EmmaKnightleyNo1]

Because you are allowed to shoot people in self defence. Lori corroborated. At that time, nothing they could do. Later, with more evidence - no CPR, Alex's 'head wound', tougher interviews with knowledge from this call - maybe. I think I heard the police wanted to prosecute but the prosecutor or chief of police didn't? Anybody know?

[@coldisle]

Not one single death more should have happened after Charles was murdered. The Police who handled this case really had no semblance of normal curiosity. They dropped the ball with catastrophic results. Adam is such a breath of normalcy in this horror movie.

[@skdoremi6666]

This man was the only one with a brain......poor Charles! I do appreciate people who think about what is right and wrong before their own interest .......I don't know how I will react if one of my sisters goes crazy like Lori but I like to think that am more like Adam.....even if it's against my family. ❤

[@magicmom32]

And the only one with a heart and a conscience

[@ginabee848]

Finally someone inthat family with commonsense and empathy. What a crazy bunch.

[@ladygreenlife]

It wouldn't be against the interest of your family. In this situation, he might have saved his nieces, sister and brother. Let alone Chalres and Tammy!

[@candiceparr4174]

Adam is gaslighting

[@JohnWaaland]

@@ginabee848 Hi. Yea, a crazy bunch AND a crazy church cult‼️😳

[@towncrierofficial2354]

Once again, LE blew Adam off. They didn’t take Charles or Adam seriously! They blew Brandon off too! Adam, thanks for believing Charles and having the decency to recognize when wrong is wrong! God Bless You! God Bless Larry and Kay! God Bless Brandon!

[@astrialindah2773]

They didn't blow them off ..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@QuinnChada]

Cops blowing the real witness off, it's a bad habit I assure happens all the time

[@pjcat3522]

So sad Police didn't act on his evidence

[@pattic4513]

​@eboston7591REALLY?!? How you figure?? So who is responsible for protecting the public?? Do tell!

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

​@eboston7591 huh? "Protect and Serve" is kind of the basic police mandate, and is the literal motto of the LAPD among others. Saying its not the job ot police to protect the public is like saying its not the job of security guards to observe and report, lol

[@lemaster305]

@Leena Wexler so than what is there job. Please do tell.

[@lemaster305]

@Leena Wexler that’s all you’ve got. Thank you I stand corrected. Back to my question.

[@DMJ160]

@@pattic4513 don’t listen to that weirdo. Spewing the same repetitive sentence on many videos on this case.

[@brynbailey7132]

Wow, Adam put so many pieces together and laid out basically exactly how everything went down. He picked apart all of thr inconsistencies in the stories and situations. He also tied in Joe Ryan's death, too. He gave the police so much valuable info. I am sad that he lost a friend in Charles and two of his siblings. And to know Charles bought the whole family cars and phones....and they turned on him. I agree with him that Lori's mom knows more than she's saying. So sad....what did Tylee see during her short life? Lori killed Tylee's bio dad, and her step dad...right in front of her. And Tylee was still alive at the time of this phone call???? And no one got her out???? Heartbreaking. I hope the whole police dept feels the weight of their incompetence here and are striving to do better.

[@lorriesantos340]

I hope Lori's PARENTS Feel the weight of incompetence for siding with LORI instead of helping Adam expose her CRA CRA...

[@cyntmacz]

​@@lorriesantos340Molesters

[@karolynpieren5129]

Lori didn’t kill Tylees dad. She wanted to. Alex tried. But he ended up dying of about the same thing supposedly Alex died from. Lori did get his life ins. Or rather Tylee did.

[@brynbailey7132]

@Karolyn Pieren key word is "supposedly". I still think she was involved in Joe's passing. Perhaps Alex slipped him something....we will never know for sure.

[@TheVibeJoint]

​Lorrie Santos that part!

[@SweetKarina123]

The mother and sister need to be held accountable for knowing how Lori was after Adam warned them of her craziness. They knew and did nothing to stop her.

[@Leolioness44]

Zeez detective, Kay Woodcock is 1st Charles Vallow Brother, then 2nd Kay is the grandmother of JJ Vallow for which Charles adopted with Lori Vallow

[@Jeff-bz6jp]

They wanted their cut of the insurance $$$$.

[@MissJensk1]

​@@Leolioness44I think you'll find that Kay is Charles' sister, not brother

[@bonnie_gail]

they should sue them

[@bronfoth]

Thanks for posting this @East Idaho News. Your coverage of case is much appreciated

[@lindacalderon6417]

Adam laid out the whole case to the cops and they totally ignored him.

[@mcsmith732]

The cops may have taken the case to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor may have thought that there wasn't enough concrete evidence to indict and take it to trial.

[@jfraserfisher]

If Tylee backed up Alex’s story and the police found no evidence of them conspiring at the time I don’t know how they could have got the grand jury to indict Lori or Alex. It’s easy in hindsight and I wish they had found something and saved Tammy, Tylee and JJ

[@eleanoraquitaine2966]

So did Charles.

[@nightwithout-stars1951]

@@jfraserfisherHad the police looked into Alex’s background, they would’ve seen he served time in prison for attempting to kill Lori’s third husband.

[@LucaBellaz]

I agree

[@Athena124]

Oh Charles, you tried so so hard to avoid the disaster that unfolded.

[@cynthiawilson5066]

RIP CHARLES

[@corrinafrench7709]

Poor Charles. Set up and ambushed. Glad Lori is in jail forever.

[@corrinafrench7709]

@Leena Wexler her sentencing is on July 31. Will see what her term is then

[@corrinafrench7709]

@Leena Wexler right on. Thanks for the law lesson.

[@irarobinson284]

​@eboston7591potatoe, potato. Pretty sure PRISON will be her future permanent address.

[@watsonspuzzle]

@Leena Wexler CALM DOWN! It is not that crucial if some people don't know the difference!

[@wandawelsh9209]

I think you were trying to say if she got life she would go to prison, but until her sentencing, she wil be in jail.

[@belAdonis1111]

Adam seems to be the only person in that entire family that had no agenda other than finding out the truth of what really happened to Charles. What a bunch of bananas!!!

[@lisaglenn4698]

Exactly what I was thinking. At least one of them turned out to be a good hearted normal person...

[@littledovecafe]

A Morally Righteous Person 🩷

[@Justicepending]

I believe that Charles would have recorded that last interaction with Lori/Alex on his phone. It’s criminal that those cops didn’t get his phone immediately!! Instead she was able to parade around with it for 4 hours after?? Adam nailed everything in this call. Shame no one paid more attention at the time.

[@MissJensk1]

I get the impression the police thought this was just a crazy story. Which is understandable in a way.

[@kc-lp6wg]

This conversation is both maddening and sad. What awful police work especially given what happened after.

[@verlindaallen3335]

Mormons get away with murder. Even the Police in the areas won't do anything to get involved.

[@slapeters2004]

How can you blame the police? They can’t just arrest people and hold them without evidence and go off hearsay. They have to have proof and are bound by the law. We have a criminal justice system, albeit flawed, they can’t arrest someone for what they assume. If that were the case, half of society would be incarcerated. By the time they finally had what they believed to be enough evidence to make a murder arrest, Alex was dead….then the kids were dead, and then everything fell in place after that.

[@VioletJoy]

I'm genuinely curious how LE dropped the ball. It sounds like he took it seriously.

[@kc-lp6wg]

@@VioletJoy Alex was not charged for Charles' death leaving the path wide open for all the others deaths (JJ, Tylee, Tammy) and the attempted murder of Brandon.

[@pritam_chavan10]

Heard this before. feels like Adam cox is the Only good person in cox family. All of them failed the Charles, kids and Brandon.

[@cjsmom55]

Tammy too.

[@raeraebadfingers]

Are we all really forgetting the hold your wee for a Wii contest that killed a woman

[@pritam_chavan10]

@@raeraebadfingers what are talking about

[@pritam_chavan10]

@@cjsmom55 yes. I mentioned them because they were family.

[@raeraebadfingers]

@@pritam_chavan10 2007 incident he worked as a DJ for a radio station, they had a contest to win a Nintendo Wii. Drink tons of water and do not use the bathroom. Whoever lasts the longest without peeing wins the Wii. Multiple people calle, nurses included, and said how dangerous it was. They basically laughed about it and someone did indeed end up dying from water intoxication after all

[@Kareyn2]

Y’all still believe Lori’s mom didn’t know anything?

[@marthakelley2772]

oh I think mommy dearest knew everything and was probably involved. I've been saying this since the beginning. because there is some really shady stuff that happened. and I think alex and lori had incest MANY times.

[@ChristinaB9782]

​​@@marthakelley2772 Yeah, those two were totally gross, in more ways than one! 🤢🤮 And, did you ever see the interview with Summer and MD? They were both vehemently denying Lori had ANYTHING to do with Charles' or the children's deaths. Their tune sure has changed now, hasn't it? 🤔

[@candiceparr4174]

Never have believed that. They all knew, including Adam

[@melanysmith3023]

Thr niece wad fine with her kids being dark and probably on the hot list , the whole family is crazy

[@tiatowery6409]

Ya right? She is nuts too!

[@nancymoon-rush2888]

This is so very sad. The AZ police didn't seem to care about Charles' claims. I had no idea that Adam had provided all of this info to them. So much COULD have been prevented just from these 2 brave men. Think of ALL the damage that was done AFTER this phone call. It is haunting.

[@mcsmith732]

The cops may have believed Adam, and perhaps the cops gave all their info to the prosecutor and the prosecutor may have thought that he didn't have enough concrete evidence to present to the court. Everything has to be nailed down tight before one can indict, try and convict anyone for a crime. It can't be hearsay, supposition, or even gut feelings. Had Charles managed to record the situation, or perhaps done one of those "live Facebook" things, or if Lori and Alex had texted each other about their plan to murder Charles, or even if Lori's parents had come clean, there would have been sufficient proof to prosecute. Lori's parents had some proclivities in the cultish direction where Lori was headed as well, which is why they were so pissed with Adam when he punched a hole or two in their shared delusion. And Lori and Alex weren't alone in their plotting. I'm certain that several other family members and some of Lori's friends knew full well what Lori and Alex were up to and approved of it all. That deal with Lori's ex-husband, Joe, was interesting. Kind of shows a history of planned widowhood for fun and profit. Apparently Chad's cult was an answer to all of Lori's ambitions to be a freewheeling and wealthy woman through manipulating her way to merry and childless widowhood. I feel very bad for Charles, but I am seriously horrified about what Lori and Alex did to her children. With no responsibilities and lots of her own money, I wonder how long it would have taken Lori and Alex to decide that it was time to do in Chad? Perhaps after Lori helped Chad to reach celebrity & millionaire status, and she had talked Chad into making her out to be the sole heir to his kingdom? Maybe when Lori lost her "hotness" and Chad's "loin fire" finally chilled (Gag! 🤮), perhaps Chad would have fixed it so that Lori suddenly and mysteriously died at home and in bed like her tragic predecessor, Tammy. Oh, well. We'll never know. And thank heavens for that mercy!

[@collectorofdolls1244]

Yes indeed. None of their affects were right during their police interviews

[@calistolevana20]

Extremely daunting 😢

[@bajacowgirl3170]

So sad. I wonder how his Mom feels now ... Thank you Adam for staying strong and listening to your gut, even if it meant going against your family.

[@jettyoeill]

Still looking for Janis’ obituary. Interesting and sad that I see That JJ’s Mom died from what they say was a broken heart after years of trying to get JJ back, only for him to found murdered. Another death caused by Lori. 😢🙏🏼🫣🙏🏼

[@JaimeMesChiens]

@@jettyoeill I had not heard that JJ’s biology mom had died. That’s so sad.

[@deborahsunflower939]

Remember the early interview with Lori s mom and sister? Mom especially insisting that Lori was innocent!

[@FelisThis]

It gives me anxiety listening to Adam. He is the only one in his dysfunctional family that didn't live in Lori's delusional world.

[@calistolevana20]

Right?!? So sad!

[@Stefanie_Thompson_Fithian]

I get upset seeing the video of Charles begging for help. Breaks my heart. 💔

[@karenreacher9079]

When Charles spoke with the Arizona police, you could hear the concern and fear in his voice. He felt like he would be killed. I felt like the police did not feel much concern. Now Charles is dead. Thank God that Adam communicated with Charles who was being shunned by Lori and her family. Adam and his son were the only ones who supported Charles. The police didn't. Lori's family didn't. The guy was about to be murdered in the first degree, and must have felt like nobody cared except for Adam and his son. Adam I am so glad you were there for Charles. I am so sorry Lori bamboozled your family against you. To shun their own grandson (Adam's son) is so unconscionable.

[@VioletJoy]

I'm confused when people mention that police didn't seem concerned. I thought this officer sounded concerned. He listened to the whole story, gave Adam some info, said the investigation was ongoing, and wanted to stay connected. There's no way anyone could say that Adam was brushed off by this officer. Lori had not made any threats to anyone at that exact point, so there was no way of knowing that she would kill her children. I've been following the case, but not every detail, so maybe I missed something.

[@karenreacher9079]

@@VioletJoy I was referring to when Charles talked to the police. Please re read my comment. Charles was already dead when they spoke with Adam. Then they took more notice and were concerned what Adam had to say. I didn't say they brushed off Adam. When Charles talked to the police in AZ, I felt like so many others, that he was brushed off. They listened, but obviously didn't take him too seriously. He was killed shortly after explaining his fear of what might happen. He also was correct about his fear, because he quickly changed his life insurance beneficiary to his sister Kay, when it had originally been Lori. So what police department in AZ do you work for or perhaps you have a relative who works for a police department in AZ? I did follow this case very closely from the beginning. Go back and listen to Charles telling his concerns to the AZ police! Your comment had overtones that were unnecessary, not to mention incorrect in relation to what I said!!

[@VioletJoy]

@karenreacher9079 Oh my gosh. Sorry about that. I obviously had brain fog when I was reading your comment. My mind read "Adam" when you said "Charles". I think I had that on my mind because that's what the video was about, and I had just read through a bunch of comments mentioning how police brushed off Adam. Yes, I'm familiar with the video of Charles speaking to police. I'm not sure what was or was not done in that instance, but have heard a lot of assumptions. I'm curious what LE did/didn't and why. I'm confused why you're asking about working for the police department as I didn't mention anything about that. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@karenreacher9079]

@@VioletJoy There is video after video on you tube showing how police are not doing their jobs! Unless beating up people, ignoring the pleas of citizens, and police violating their Constitutional Oath has become the new norm. Not to mention hanging their thin blue flag in departments that the taxpayers pay for. Many people, myself included, see that flag as a desecration to the American flag that many fought and died for. I do not care about what others say about the meaning of the thin blue flag, it is not the American flag! If I recall correctly, I had just seen yet another video where a cop was ignoring his Oath, and harming yet another innocent citizen! You know what Violet Joy? The camera doesn't lie. I see many videos in their full entirety so like I said, the camera doesn't lie. The fact is the AZ police did not do their jobs. The proof of that is Charles is dead! Then when they spoke with Alex after Charles was killed, they were almost apologetic for questioning him! I am telling you if it had not been for Kay, Larry, and Nate Eaton...Lori and Chad may still be on some kind of killing spree! I agree the police were especially kind and helpful AFTER Charles was killed. They would have really looked negligent if they had not been that way. Nate recently did another story that is very troubling. A man with three children had been poisoned, along with his Mother, Sister, and a few of this friends. The person who did this was his wife! He has since divorced and has temporary custody of his kids. He is fearful she may get partial custody. This is a legitimate fear considering his former wife only received a misdemeanor for attempted murder of more than one person! Perhaps if the police and Prosecuting Attorney did their jobs she wouldn't be free to walk around!

[@bonnieoates3983]

@violetJoy, Charles told the police in the interview at their house, he was afraid of what she would do to his children.

[@BSmall-yr4qx]

Sounds like Lori's family was in on it (except for Adam). Charles supported Lori's family financially. I wonder if they all expected a cut of his life insurance?

[@pattic4513]

Excellent point!!

[@cjsmom55]

you can bet on it!

[@candaceram]

Adam wasn't supposed to tell his fam that he was in town. What happened to that plan?

[@jessicawilliams7663]

Yes, that's why Charles called life insurance several times.. Look up Charles 911 calls also

[@Aussietari]

Chandler P.D. Needs to be Investigated for their Mishandling of this Case.😌

[@dushy09]

They should be held accountable for five deaths that could have been avoided

[@gleefulme9617]

So her family knew Lori was not of sound mind, but they all snubbed Charles on her command? Her parents have A LOT to answer for. Raising 2 serial killers takies some kind of talent.

[@candiceparr4174]

Doesn't make sense does it? Adam is lying

[@jaywa101]

​@@candiceparr4174written like a troll 🙄

[@EffSharp]

I agree that if they knew she was not of sound mind they should have tried to protect the kids.

[@Simsim3e]

Exactly, seems like they were all okay with killing people they didn’t like. Alex killed 2 of Lori’s husbands. I think Lori manipulated people to believe that the killings were justified.

[@patriciajones915]

I think the police should be accountable for not doing more .

[@DVD927]

Hindsight is always 20/20. Police don’t create the problems, they’re just the clean-up crew.

[@paxetbonum7270]

I can't believe the cop said Alex was released because they had no reason to hold him?!

[@Stoptheworldletmeoffplease]

Right? This wasn't the first husband Alex attacked. He'd already served time for attacking another. Not to mention, LE knew Charles was scared for his life, and had background on what Lori had been doing, had done. Plus the evidence, Charles shot lying on the ground. How long until pd called. Lying about cpr. Arizona's negligence let three others be killed

[@brentbunger9107]

No kidding

[@user-pd5ot4zd4b]

Yeah, totally, even if it's a "stand your ground" state, it doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't hold a shooter while processing the scene, interviewing, how bout a medical exam? Bat's an attempted murder weapon, supposedly, that gave Alex a love tap. ESPECIALLY on a domestic beef, which are notoriously sketchy. It wasn't a guy crawling through a window, ffs, but a party in a divorce with a history of contact with the PD re the situation and an order or protection ya?

[@dash324]

What a convoluted captivating story this became. Daytime TV drama has nothing on this ridiculousness. 🤯🤮 So many chances were squandered and just plain old lost. So much could have been prevented, and the select few tried to help. Thank you, Adam, for your words, concerns, efforts, and for being brave enough to get involved. Chasing the snake after it gets a good head start is fruitless, and unfortunately - for the children especially - Alex is the snake. And Lori is the snake charmer who also charmed Chad Daybell. These people ... 🤬😡😤

[@bettyir4302]

Adam said he was suspect of Joe's death. Heck, Lori all but confesses when she said on the podcast if they come after you 3 times you can kill them, meaning Joe. Still, CPD did nothing when there very well could have been a prior murdered husband.

[@rtdmna]

You are wrong, she is the snake and the snake, and Chad is the charmer, and they both talked Alex into everything he did with what he believed, was the Lord's blessing.

[@MKConnecticut]

I totally agree. Wow! You can’t make this sh*t up!!!

[@LB-id6wf]

This guy TELLS them Charles was murdered and they did nothing, shameful, all of this could have been prevented!

[@candiceparr4174]

Adam didn't return Det Moffats many calls until 29 days after Charles was murdered. Moffat called him over and over. Adam is lying

[@MKConnecticut]

@@candiceparr4174- I didn’t me that…

[@scarlett8127]

Not true​@@candiceparr4174

[@jaywa101]

​@@candiceparr4174👈 Troll.

[@marytorbert5212]

Congratulations Chandler PD!! The blood of 3 innocents are on your hands! And Charles needs Justice served!

[@dprecious6402]

The police did a terrible job processing the death scene or following up on Charles early cries for help.

[@bettyir4302]

Joseph, Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy and evil Alex.

[@mcsmith732]

@@bettyir4302 Yeah, I still have my suspicions about Alex's death. I'm also surprised that Adam wasn't targeted as well.

[@candiceparr4174]

Of only Adam had called Chandler pd with what he knew the day Charles was murdered. He knew what was going on, but instead of checking up on Charles, he bailed to Tucson

[@Julia-uh4li]

@mcsmith732 He very well may have been. Just look at Alex's first failed attempt to shoot & kill Tammi. Perhaps he tried and failed to get Adam, only to put it on the back burner for a bit...? We'll never know for sure.

[@ankem1988]

Omg Adam had it all right. 😢 They could have saved the kids and even Charles.... This is really upsetting...

[@bonnie_gail]

very upsetting

[@SolzeyeJewels]

I wonder if Adam wi) be called to testify on Charles's behalf in AZ? Poor guy did everything he could.

[@aaguilar1962]

This isnt Tylee's fault she was manipulated by many adults her mother. Some family members weren't believing Charles. People were caught off. What ever Tylee saw she knew she was screwed. She tried to save herself and her brother. Thats why Adam wanted someone to interview Tylee correctly she would have talked. I hope the truth comes out and to clear Tylee name. Justice for Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy

[@shadesofgray5476]

I think they took Tylee's phone away and were watching her all the time so she couldn't talk or get help. She was torn between running off with nothing or stay and try to protect JJ. Her mom even changed her ss. money to go to her own account before she died. Her story is so tragic.

[@aaguilar1962]

@@shadesofgray5476 Yes that is a huge possibility her phone was most likely taken away or monitored. Poor Tylee and JJ

[@bettyir4302]

There was a reason she needed to sleep with a baseball bat when she was staying at Alex's. Horrible.

[@julesjay424]

Well someone should tell Kay that. She legit told the chandler police TYLEE KILLED CHARLES!!! It’s in the FIOA DOCS, she had so much information she SHOULD OF GIVEN TO POLICE AND BOTH TYLEE AND JJ WOULD BE ALIVE. KAY AND LARRY NEVER HAS A KIND WORD TO SAY ABOUT TYLEE THEY USED HER AS A MEANS TO AN END TO FIND JJ! Now they want to say they are her grandparents! GTFO!!!! They ALL have blood on their hands

[@ChristinaB9782]

​@@bettyir4302 Yep, I heard something along those lines as well!!

[@mistymouse4170]

Oh that breaks my heart “well she’s not hurting anybody”😢

[@mcsmith732]

What really breaks my heart is that she and Alex had both already "hurt" Joe, Lori's ex-husband. And then Lori and Alex "hurt" Charles so badly that he died, and Mommy Dearest (and Daddy and Sissy too) were still in denial. Had the parents done the honest, sensible and moral thing, Charles, the kids and Tammy would all have stayed alive.

[@LegalAmerican4]

These Arizona cops just absolutely dropped the ball in every possible way.

[@newtron1]

Charles was a former minor league baseball player. As mentioned, very fit for his age. If he had hit Alex with the bat, Alex would have have been knocked out cold.

[@maryg3143]

After this conversation the Chandler PD still did nothing? Wow.

[@LegalAmerican4]

They did nothing when Charles told them a ton of this same stuff and he ended up dead. Not surprised they again didn't take this seriously. At least Adam lived.

[@elaine6061]

Poor Adam. In hindsight, he's better off without a family that would shun him and bow to a bunch of killers of their own family. Sick people. Run Adam and stay far away from them. Unforgiveable.

[@candiceparr4174]

Shun him? He moved to the same city as his parents. He's lying.

[@KathyMpamugo]

Thanks so much for this Audio Nate. God rest All their souls after this whole experience….😢

[@hopeful8975]

So now we know why Charles changed his life insurance to his Sister. He had tried to divorce Lori and she disappeared...so the papers could not be served on her.

[@auntieree]

I'm starting to believe that Tylee hit Alex in the back of the head, and she was afraid of the so-called adults. I don't believe Charles ever had a chance, and I don't believe Charles took the bat out of a child's hands. That was the One man in Tylee's life who treated her like a whole person.

[@pattic4513]

💯

[@kathy411]

I agree

[@kimwagner865]

Agreed they could have at paid attention man talk about just plain evil all the way around

[@kathydauz9956]

I don’t believe for one minute that anyone hit Alex in the back of the of the head. He & Lori probably doctored up this “injury.”

[@yvonnemoujalli6904]

why the police did not did a forensic test or finger print on the bat ????? make sense what you saying

[@drpepperfan452]

I wonder how Adam's family feels about him now? Complete vindication that Lori was a nut job.

[@katden220]

She should have been committed a long time ago. Forcibly

[@tanyamadden-j5f]

WOW! Adam explained this so perfectly. A 20/20 story for sure! The police surely didn’t do their job. Poor Charles, no one believed him 😢

[@candiceparr4174]

He only told his mommy three days after Cgarles was shot dead. Der Moffat called Adam repeatedly for a month. Adam finally returned those calls August 29, 2019.

[@renatep.7566]

EVERYTHING Adam assumed in this phone call was spot on! If only……

[@rosifernandez9552]

The fact that the family was angry at ADAM??? I feel like the family were slowly being convinced of Lori's believes except ADAM. Thats why he was a "zombie" . Which explains why he was already getting ssh'd when questioning Lori's madness. AND THE COP JUST MUMBLING "Yeah, yeah.." Like ARE U TAKING NOTES BCS ADAM OUT HERE DOING THE REAL DETECTIVE WORK!

[@cassieeldred5436]

🙌

[@iveliserojas612]

Facts he listen but Alex wasn’t arrested are u f kidding me so why talk to Adam all this time if yah let him go and died and never got convicted it crazy I think Charlie’s son should sue the police Lori and prosecutors for not taken this seriously because if they Lori kids be a life Tammy be and Charles be alive and no the cops 👮‍♀️ was nasty ass ppl

[@denisekinzle1672]

This is why she told police her brother was trying to kill her.

[@DVD927]

It’s a lot to absorb…

[@calistolevana20]

I hadn’t heard this! And it’s May 2024. When I tell you I was shocked, I was shocked! It still boggles my how there was so many red flags and LE really dropped the ball. Adam and Charles were the only two to see the craziness that was ensuing with Lori and Alex.

[@joannadechenne6368]

Adam - I am so sorry for you and your son. You are SO good! SO honest.

[@BeverlyBigglesworth]

Such a shame. If they had listened to him maybe the children would have been saved.

[@cjsmom55]

and sweet Tammy.

[@BeverlyBigglesworth]

@@cjsmom55 I am curious if Tammy was still alive at the time of this call? I tried to look it up but the timeline is soooooo complicated.

[@candiceparr4174]

He didn't return det Moffats call until 29 days after Charles was murdered

[@shariboyle1166]

Adam needs to thank God that he is alive! Leave that screwed up family!!!!!

[@mariariosmejia1922]

OhYES, for SURE!! 😮😢

[@Julia-uh4li]

It's more like he needs to thank his Lucky Stars!

[@BootsEditor11]

Adam must be in disbelief, Chandler PD continued to drop the ball and more people died. Including his young niece and nephew.

[@iveliserojas612]

This cops was gotha gotcha dum cop 👮‍♀️ if they listen to Adam he’s niece nephew would be a life Tammy be Alice sue this cop

[@backthebusup]

I forgot about this call w/Adam. Wow, super telling 😮

[@annmarie-h8l]

If the police had investigated what happened to Joe Ryan, perhaps all of these other deaths had been prevented. It seems like Adam Cox is the only voice of reason in that family.

[@dragonmummy1]

Alex went back to his room! To get the gun! So he could have left and called the police. Instead, he came back with a gun and shot Charles and then, as he lay on the floor, he stood over him and shot him again. And they let him go!

[@user-pd5ot4zd4b]

Yep, and mr minor league ball player, blind with rage and swing'n for the fences, just chilled out while ding-dong scooted off to his sock drawer to retrieve a piece, so they could do the erotic "come at me bro" dance proper. It's laughable on it's face.

[@shaz8486]

Wow….that was very revealing and interesting to listen to ! Thank you Nate & EIN !

[@fritzjagr5121]

When the detective said “There were 80 gigs of data on Charles’ phone, and it would be mind-numbing to go through all of it” my jaw absolutely hit the floor. Law enforcement actually refused to investigate because they were too lazy to recover and analyze some data and do their damn jobs. Shocked by the laziness and gall of Chandler PD. Them allowing Lori to flirt her way out of being investigated for Charles’ murder supplied her and Alex with all the hubris they needed to feel like they could get away with all the other unspeakable crimes they committed after the fact. Lives could have been spared if they had just listened to the sane people who were literally spelling out the crimes that were being committed by these horrible monsters. UGH!!! 😡

[@mspitstoptoyou]

I think I heard this before but I'm listening again, and I have to say - in addition to Lori not showing an ounce of emotion or shock at the fact that her husband of however many years had been murdered by her brother, but she took his phone?! THAT was her priority? To walk off with his phone? And then just like any other day take her son to school immediately afterward? (Of course we all know that that was part of the plan so that JJ wasn't there to witness it ) Those should have been red flags. It is amazing to me the daftness of some police officers/detectives etc.... One look at her behavior on video, on the body cam footage and then that subsequent interview, not only was she not surprised at the murder, she showed ZERO emotion other than near ELATION at the fact that her husband had been murdered! Huge HUGE red flags! I'm certain that she said/did something to get Tylee in on the story. Obviously they took his phone so that they could erase texts to erase the timeline of the scenario.

[@John.Flower.Productions]

You should examine your own convoluted perception of Tylee, even with the aid of hindsight, before pointing out the daftness of other people. Here is a HUGE red flag for you: A 17 year old girl (Tylee) is told that her uncle just killed her dad, who is still laying dead inside the house, and she could not have cared less. In fact, she was partying in that same house only hours later. _I'm certain that she said/did something to get Tylee in on the story._ ↑Talk about someone being daft.↑

[@shop-a-holic3194]

I saw the video and couldn't believe she and Tylee where so calm! And than the comment she made about being new in the neighberhood!!! But Ithink at that stage Tylee was just scared and couldn't speak and it make sense. Probably feeling she would be next.

[@waypay1]

From what I hear, she took his phone and ran back into the house with it when Charles was putting JJ in the car. Charles went back in to get the phone, and Alex shot him. Lori deliberately lured him in by taking his phone so Alex could shoot him.

[@ChristinaB9782]

​@@John.Flower.Productions You should get some of your daft facts straight too... Tylee was only 16 (not 17) and had a lot of manipulation pulled on her by her own mother throughout her entire short life. She had a lot of emotional issues because of it, as well as chronic health issues. Do I think LE bumbled their investigation, heck yeah, indubitably! Does anyone in the public have 💯 percent vision on this horribly disgusting case, yeeeeah.. NO! We all want to be an armchair detective critiquing the entire case and making connections where there might actually be none! This entire family situation is so incredibly sad, totally disgusting, and possibly preventable, IMO!

[@John.Flower.Productions]

@@ChristinaB9782 She was a few weeks shy of being 17 and even stated that she was 17 because she was about to have a birthday. _We all want to be an armchair detective critiquing the entire case and making connections where there might actually be none!_ She was just as knowledgeable/involved in the murder of Charles Vallow as Lori; completely culpable both legally and morally. She participated in the conspiracy before/during/after, which makes her a murderer. Period.

[@jackiestouch]

Adam is an amazing person it shows there are still good honest people living! He is an inspiration to listen to 😊

[@teresamozingo6521]

Thank you for sharing this. I had never heard any of this from her brother.

[@RhondaHaleymaidofthemist]

Most sane Cox family member.

[@raeraebadfingers]

Other than the fact a woman died during a contest him and his coworker held to win a Nintendo Wii.

[@alovemarvel]

There are so many rabbit holes in this case

[@gayladenison5925]

​@@raeraebadfingers True, in Sacramento CA. I listened to the contest that day. Also, I was working at the superior courts during the wrongful death case where her husband was awarded millions of dollars.

[@LSChestersMom]

This is so so sad... out of everyone in this, I feel so sad for Charles,... he tried so hard to get help and if folks had listened , so many people would still be alive. I also love he Brough up her first husbands death and that it was suspicious.

[@avavienneceleste965]

Did he? Good for him. OMG he surely went through hell. He should have taken the police with him to pick up the kids. I guess, he was too distraught and alone to do that! Poor decent man!

[@bettyir4302]

Joseph Ryan was her 3rd husband, but yeah.

[@MKConnecticut]

Listening to Joe Ryan’s sister- yeah, very suspicious death

[@nataliebartholomew8761]

Man I never heard this before! Adam’s account of this sounds like a prosecutor’s opening statement! AND the children and Tammy weren’t killed yet! Wow! He really hit the nail on the head!

[@Frecklydelta]

Charles must have been heartbroken when Tylee and JJ passed to the other side, and im sure he met them there. None of this should have happened. What can we learn from this? No matter how blonde and skinny someone is, how funny and relatable they can act, they are still capable of being a murdering psychopath and we should take familys suspicions seriously. Did the police literally learn nothing from Ted Bundy? This is worse in a way, like c'mon. Her own brother just said "they shot him, they killed him". All while she's sitting in the police station giggling and acting cute and innocent until they let her go. So frustrating!

[@cjsmom55]

sorry to say, but if it would have been the other way around and Lori said she was fearful of Charles the police would have taken action right away. yes there is still bias that way.

[@Rob89139]

Sadly, the police in AZ drug their feet. The warning signs were there and presented in this phone call but there's no evidence they pursued any of it

[@candiceparr4174]

Yes, they pursued it . That is why they kept calling Adam , who skedaddled for Tucson the day Charles was murdered. He never returned LE calls until 29 days later

[@AmberGraves80]

Oh, poor Adam. How terrible to know that something is wrong and that people are going to get hurt, and you get ostracized and ignored, especially by your own family. I hope they've given him a huge apology.

[@candiceparr4174]

Adam is not a victim.

[@kathy411]

Chandler PD really dropped the ball here

[@LB-id6wf]

POLICE FAILED MISERABLY

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

Seems like Adam is the only person in his immediate family who didn't inherit some form of mental illness. I hope it skipped his son as well.

[@fionavirginia]

Poor Charles… I really hope he gets his justice. Adam seems to be the only sane one in the family.

[@justjigsaw8543]

There's also an interview with his son Zac. He's a good guy too. He looks a lot like Lori's son Colby.

[@mcsmith732]

His Uncle Rex has a good grip on decency and reality, as well.

[@raeraebadfingers]

Are we all really forgetting the hold your wee for a Wii contest that killed a woman

[@raqueacevedo1509]

OMG...Some of the Cox's were "users" from Charles....so you can tell what kind of people some of them are.... ungrateful and more....thanks to Adam and his son.

[@marcijewell2195]

If they only knew how much worse it was going to get after this phone call

[@ildaharper6061]

Adam was 100% sure that alex and lory kill the before husban joe and charles , unbelievable. ❤❤❤

[@chrisellis935]

Pretty sure Lori would have gotten Adam out-of-the-way if she had the chance

[@TomLloyd-18]

I certainly hope his family has apologized to Adam and Zack . . . now that they know the truth.

[@maryblue75]

My thoughts exactly. This man had correct instincts so clear!!!

[@maryjacobs8966]

Adam Cox, I’m sure you won’t see my comment. But Thank you for being such an upstanding person. I’m sorry you and your family got so deceived by your sister and Chad, and by the loss of your nephew and brother in law and brother through this craziness. Blessings to you and your family. I can’t imagine.

[@ACB2K]

See what i said all along 'Tylee was part of the entire plot to kill Charles, little did she know she was also on the list of people to be killed.'

[@sweettea527]

I see that. Poor Tylee

[@chrislee1096]

Didn’t think any one could be as cruel and crazy as Lori however her mother runs a chose second.

[@julietigermoon9572]

Agree

[@sherryporsch9349]

Thank you Adam for telling the truth.

[@beckylynn209]

I wonder if Lori can find one hundred and forty four thousand people in prison?? 🤣🤣🤣

[@dprecious6402]

This is a fascinating conversation. Why wasn’t it brought up during her trial?

[@virgettadrinnen9957]

I’m sure it will be brought up in her AZ trial July 31 for killing Charles and shooting at her nieces husband. Hoping they get her niece too. Looking forward to that conviction also

[@lauralee612]

I wonder if this detective and the Chandler Police Department said “uh”, “yeah”, “wow…..after the kids were discovered. Sickening

[@annelefevre9457]

What a crazy situation. Even the Police detective talking to Adam seems strange. Police officers don’t usually talk so open about the situation. These guys talked like two old friends. Not like a police officer getting implant questions. The Chandler police act like they didn’t know what they were doing…..to let Alex go after he shot Charles.

[@annelefevre9457]

Not implant questions……suppose to say important questions.

[@MKConnecticut]

I agree. They sound like old friends - weird response from cops. They seem to LISTEN and not follow- up

[@daynatuso2923]

I wish everything could have been stopped after Charles's death. Tylee, Jj, Tammy nay still be alive. Chad Daybell deserves the death penalty. Im sorry Adam has been treated so badly by family.😢

[@Jeff-bz6jp]

No one will ever convince me that the LDS church isn't a cult. Everything related to it is an offshoot of that cult. Too many oddities connected to that "faith".

[@phoebehill953]

I’ve heard many mainstream LDS people deny Chad’s whackadoodle beliefs, then go on to say, “What WE actually believe is [different whackadoodle belief].

[@robbiemarcum8878]

There are 17 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. To say there are wierd offshoots would be understandable with that many people. We help others even people that do not go to our Church. In fact when there is a known natural disaster our Church sends semi trucks full of food, water and cleaning supplies just out of harms way so we can go right on. I could go on and on.

[@twistoffate4791]

​@@robbiemarcum8878Well, it's the Mormons that practice polygamy, which is pretty sick, including the practice of marrying off little girls. You have your work cut out for you correcting that mess.

[@LawNerd23]

Adam's parents hold responsibility for the deaths of the kids as well and I hope they realize karma is coming for them. The fact that they didn't listen to Adam and recognize that Lori was a psycho is on them. Disgusting.

[@TeeJayNZ]

Exactly and where is Barry Cox in all this he’s been hiding behind the women of the family not a peep out of him apparently he usually has a lot to say for himself not any more it would appear

[@lorihall3411]

Poor Charles. The police didn’t listen… Adam had so much figured out. Little did he know the horror that was to come…

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

Fair play to Adam for being so honest with the police because you wouldn't know where to start with this.

[@Krtwells]

That was a mouthful. The LDS church needs to take notes on this and the government needs to understand how the LDS temple system could be used for all sorts of malevolence.

[@Luvtallhorses]

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" Abraham Lincoln

[@gerdalyngillings2965]

Adam said “My parents said Lori isn’t hurting anyone “ Well they didn’t see or hear anything yet. If they were pro-active four persons would have been saved.

[@mcsmith732]

The parents were fine with Lori killing Charles. I'm just surprised that they weren't still fine when their grandchildren were found taped up, burned and buried in Chad's yard. After all, the kids were "zombies" too.

[@margaretlumley1648]

Such an interesting phone call. Both Adam and this detective sound rather lovely. Thanks, East Idaho News ❤

[@jcmaryland4312]

Sounds like Adam got more sence than anyone in that family

[@Bright_Eyez]

Only person in the family with some sense of logic!

[@terrim5442]

So sad AZ really dropped the ball. JJ, Tylee and Tammy would still be alive if they hadn’t let Alex and Lori go. Alex’s record with Joe Ryan should have triggered him being held. I believe it’s most likely they killed Joe as well. He was long dead before being found; true cause of death would have been extremely difficult to determine then Lori was the one contacted not his family. It’s good AZ is stepping up but the original detectives should be demoted!!!

[@SandyOhNo]

Have you forgotten about Chad Daybell?

[@cjsmom55]

Charles too if they would have believed him.

[@terrim5442]

@@SandyOhNoI believe Lori brought murder into their relationship for money. Of coarse Chad should pay for murdering JJ, Tylee and Tammy. They could have divorced but they together decided to murdered for money.

[@terrim5442]

@@cjsmom55 I know!!! He told them himself SO SAD!!!!

[@cjsmom55]

@@terrim5442 you know if it had been the other other way around and sweet precious Lori was telling the police she feared for her life and was afraid he was going to kill her it would have been handled differently. Sadly the myth that men are men and women are women bias still exist. Men have feelings.