LISTEN: Ex-wife details bizarre relationship between Alex Cox and Lori Vallow Daybell

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

Debbie dodged a bullet by divorcing from this family! Good on you, Girl!

[@karenandrews8695]

She had grounds.

[@PhyreReighn]

Right?! It takes a Non-moormon to see the sickness and do something about it! smh

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

YES!! Truth! I was just about to write the exact same comment myself...same wording and everything!! 🤮🤢🤮🤢

[@beckyk2917]

For sure!! Smart, intuitive woman. That is why I say, go with your gut right off. That still inner voice that tells you, oh no don't do that!! We DO have an Angel and a devil on each shoulder don't we. Our free will in the middle. We get many chances and choices, but NO do overs.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

@@beckyk2917 Well said! I always try to get that idea through to my kids: life is full of choices and consequences for your choices, both good and bad...but what life *doesn't* have is a rewind or reset button! And also that going with your gut can save your life...literally! (I'm actually almost 100% certain that going with my gut has saved my life more than once!)

[@brynbailey7132]

This poor woman called THREE different agencies including the FBI and no one followed up. She finally got this guy to call her back. WTF. What is Lori's magic power that she gets away with everything?! This was disgusting to hear but I'm so so glad she had the courage to come forward and keep pursuing it when no one else would return her calls.

[@hellodollyseniorvisitsandd4982]

Covid leaving departments short handed… widespread protests leaving departments short handed

[@rootzero]

Pussy Control.

[@robbymonaco3738]

I went to FBI once in person to tell them about pedofiles in my building and they didnt want to hear about it.

[@megsmann5414]

She is a blonde woman

[@merricat3025]

You go to local police to report that

[@frankie1012]

Lori ruined so many lives. Literally. Her entire adult life has left a path of destruction and evil.

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

That statement is so true!! So sad!! 😞

[@missycitty9478]

The whole family sound like they are monsters.

[@kateskeys]

Touche - well said.

[@anniehoon]

But God. He is still on His throne and Lori will get her due.

[@katherinebourne3813]

That's way I see all of this I think she was doing awful stuff BEFORE Charles and Chad I think her first victim was Alex and I bet she spiked a drink or candy with something that mimics heart failure but occurs naturally in the body or plain gave it to him and told him to take it at a certain time. Hell she was even working her niece and if the nieces ex didn't put it together those kids and mother would no longer b around and at some point chads usefulness would end what I wonder plan did she have for him and who was next...

[@Ludachrissy]

I am continually impressed by the incredible commitment that East Idaho News has had to this case. It’s so impressive and something you all should be proud of. From the digital team to the assignment desk to the editors to researchers to the producers to the reporters-thank you!!

[@ruggedly_handsome1]

Nate deserves a big pat on the back when these criminals are brought to justice. The world needs more honest, hard working reporters like him who aren't motivated by outside factors and personal gains. Kudos to you Nate, keep leading by example. 👍

[@sitnspin1819]

@@ruggedly_handsome1 Nate has been truly outstanding.

[@Ludachrissy]

@@ruggedly_handsome1show me a person who claims they don’t love Nate Eaton and I’ll show you a liar… 🙌

[@billfisher4156]

Absolutely...

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Yeah they are doing a good job on this very strange case

[@Val_Halla777]

I can’t believe how Chandler authorities let him off for Charles Vallow’s murder …total incompetence.

[@mariadavis8745]

?

[@Val_Halla777]

@@mariadavis8745 👍 name corrected

[@aprilstorm]

It was so ridiculous.. at the time I thought it was because of their shared religion but now I'm thinking just incompetence like you said..

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

That was truly, deeply shocking. I still have trouble wrapping my head around how that ever could've happened.

[@McQuizzical]

I know, I don't understand that either, at the very least he should have received manslaughter charges.

[@macjrc]

Let’s thank this lady for keeping on trying to do the right thing. Very brave. Hope you stay well

[@thornepp6286]

I don’t trust Zulema at all, her behaviour was extremely suspicious the day Alex died, I think she was just trying to cover her ass because she was worried about getting caught

[@sparkyrunner4283]

Indeed it is amassing that the little lady has not committed Suicide yet due to the many expensive on going investigations that are necessary to determine if there were real people involved.

[@maryogan215]

@@thornepp6286 this isn’t Zulema it’s Alex’s ex not his widow wife Zulema

[@eh1702]

@Thorn Epp This lady is Debbie, who married Alex 30 years ago and divorced him about a year later.

[@JaneSmith0709]

@@thornepp6286 I totally agree with you about Zulema. Her entire persona doesn't sit well with me, but this isn't her, this is his previous wife.

[@alisasewell]

I wonder if she realizes how lucky she is to be alive.

[@wherethewildflowersare]

Of course she does....

[@missycitty9478]

Yes!!

[@WakeyWakeyEggsandBakey]

I would think it's crossed her mind once or twice...

[@voraciousreader3341]

Let’s not get silly and dramatic about this conversation! She wasn’t in any danger, not way back then, and probably would never have been! Cox hadn’t even beat anybody up at that point, according to her, and there’s no evidence that he killed anybody who was outside Lori’s immediate circle, and he never threatened her female friends. The drama of the actual murders is enough for a lifetime without injecting it with the fictitious thrill of additional danger and murder.

[@WakeyWakeyEggsandBakey]

@@voraciousreader3341 are you for real? He hadn't murdered anyone yet so the 5+ people he murdered in the future... don't count? The point is that Alex was an unstable man who murdered, dismembered and burned a 16 year old girl who was his NIECE, his blood relative and if he's able to do that he's capable of anything. Your comment is insensitive, and ridiculous honestly. I don't like anything overdramatised but you are doing the opposite and minimising and downplaying the hideous crimes he did. He never threatened her female friends... did he threaten tylee, jj, Tammy or Charles prior to murdering them? Possibly Charles but unlikely the others were threatened, so what does that mean? Someone's not dangerous unless they threaten someone? Your insinuation that he never liked anyone outside Lori's circle and therefore he isn't dangerous to anyone else is crazy to me. I'm wondering whether your comment is purposefully trolling but if it's not, I think you need to reevaluate exactly what a MURDER is and what type of person Alex is and whether you'd let him babysit your children... because they aren't in Lori's circle so they'd be safe, right? 😳😬🙄

[@heatherwagar2898]

This woman seems like a really good person. She actually makes sense

[@heatherpike5230]

A rarity with this lot!

[@PhyreReighn]

Right?! It takes a Non-moormon to see the sickness and do something about it! smh

[@emma2370]

Yep. Good for her for having strong boundaries and considering the environment she wanted her future children to be raised in. So many women would make excuses for the bad behavior or justify it to themselves.

[@justinhealey2408]

She is a bible banger so i kinda thought she was a bit off at first, but no she is no way mixed up like these wackjobs.. I like her too and i hope she can find peace after all this insanity

[@alvaroakatico9188]

I say she’s lucky to be alive. She knows that now.

[@GoGreen-l7e]

They accuse Joseph of inappropriate behavior ,yet Alex is inappropriate

[@d6187]

Projection

[@wallofyarn]

@@d6187 exactly.

[@imasheepbahbah3591]

Ha! Excellent point! Quite hypocritical but that’s what they do ….project on to you what they do themselves so the attention is off them so no would suspect… like when Lori had the gall to say Charles was cheating when it was really her doing that!

[@RoseMary-851]

That seems to be the theme of their lives. Accusing others of doing exactly what they themselves are doing.

[@sarabrant723]

Colby Ryan Lori's oldest son psyche was in fact sexually abused by Joseph Ryan. I 100% believe him when he says he was abused by Joseph Ryan he cared very much about his brother and sister loved both of them dearly has no reason to lie about it he no longer speaks to his mother doesn't want anything to do with her I want hundred percent believe him when he says he was abused by Joseph Ryan

[@iangallager4091]

One of the most insightful interviews about this case . Glad the lady got out and rebuilt her life.

[@olderwiser64]

Wow! Well at least one of 4 friggin agencies returned this woman’s call. That is just UNACCEPTABLE. Once this is all done there needs to be some real investigations, internal reviews, stand downs, and retraining, along with some head rolling. People died from this incompetence. Especially Tylee, JJ & Tammy.

[@jenjennitrite8146]

I concur, vehemently!

[@dortebas223]

And not to forget Charles

[@Pamsmith59]

Read about how the Unibomber's brother made MANY attempts to relay info about him to the FBI and was ignored.

[@olderwiser64]

@@dortebas223 absolutely. But once Charles was killed by Alex, they should have locked him up immediately since he was already a felon for assaulting & threatening to kill Lori’s 3rd husband Joe Ryan who also happened to die under suspicious circumstances. If they had held him without bond & started investigating, then Tylee, JJ & Tammy might still be alive. And if Cristina Atwood & Nicole Earl had gone to the police back in the spring of 2019 before Lori & Alex killed Charles that July & told the police Lori had been crushing up benzodiazepines and putting them in his protein powder and that Alex said he wanted to kill him, maybe this would have turned out differently when Charles went to the police begging for help. But seriously, I doubt it. So horribly sad.

[@pinklabprincess1997]

I totally agree. Had LE listened to Charles maybe everyone would still be alive

[@annchirashi2457]

The Detective is absolutely stunned by what he is hearing but still kept his cool.

[@krisjane-cp3jf]

It’s not a detective. It’s the reporter from Idaho News.

[@mimimomo4902]

@@krisjane-cp3jf what ...wow. I thought its a detective too.

[@Pamsmith59]

Nope, this is not Nate Eaton, but a detective in Chandler, AZ.

[@2morrow789]

This detective is at a loss for words with the information Alex’s ex wife is sharing. Hard to believe considering a detective hears all sorts of crazy stories but this story is outrageous and despicable.

[@gaysy1st]

​​@@krisjane-cp3jf It's a Chandler, Arizona detective. It says so in the video information. She called them to report her knowledge about the family. Why on earth would she contact a reporter? She doesn't want recognition, she wants the police to make a note of the important information she has witnessed. Your comment makes her appear shallow, when she's not.

[@lastlyfirstofall2833]

She wanted custody of the kids but yet ended up killing them. Sick bunch of crazies.

[@lucielu1230]

because it was all about power for her and not the kids :(

[@lindaderouen8266]

$$$$ The custody was all about the money she could get from their inheritance!

[@gabrielapetunia1871]

Money

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

@@gabrielapetunia1871 So sad isn’t it!? The love of money is the root of all evil.

[@samanthaob87]

Money and power is enough to turn most people cold, unfortunately.

[@dianemason4215]

I had suspected that Alex and Lori were "close", to be delicate about it. This lady on the phone sounds credible to me. Wow. I hope she gets to maintain her privacy.

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Yep I believe her

[@openmindz4628]

I always wondered as well. The majority of the family is a bit "odd".

[@olderwiser64]

Knew it. They had Circe & Jamie Lannister written all over them.

[@jodi4384]

To me she sounds credible because there are times when she could pile on and say something way worse but appears honest and says just what she saw or heard.

[@wallofyarn]

Agreed!

[@HYPNOTOAD291]

could it be possible that Alex had molested Tylee, and that's why she was taken out? she said she slept with a baseball bat in her room when she was there with Alex, the same bat that Charles allegedly hit Alex with. I really hate thinking about it, but who knows what was going on in this crazy family.

[@bethoneybee]

Good lord, anything seems possible with these people!

[@kevinhornbuckle]

It is a plausible theory. Alex previously had sex with a teen girl. Lori would not have had the instinct to protect her daughter.

[@maisydaisy9216]

Finally! Someone else has taken note of that comment Tylee made @the bat!! Thank you! She said she had a bat when she stayed alone at her uncle’s house in January so she could feel safer. The detective blew right on past that. That comment alone was what I kept assuming someone would dig into and find that the whole family had (has) dark, dark secrets, including sexual abuse - which would make complete sense - Lori has past trauma, no doubt, it’s obvious in all her behaviors. Alex may have been the perpetrator and/or victimized himself. And there’s a reason no one discusses Lori’s father.

[@GlennaVan]

Since everything came out (the children found), I have been very concerned about what Alex may have done to Tylee before killing her. This has not eased my mind even the tiniest bit in that regard. There has never been any question in my mind that she was dismembered and burned so cause of death, etc., could not be discovered.

[@alicemorton9145]

😱YES😱

[@kathykardashian7750]

Charles Vallow tried so hard to protect his children and died because of that. These are evil, evil people who killed him and many others.

[@eh1702]

So Alex once TAZED Joseph Ryan. It makes ya wonder all over again about the heart attack that ended Joseph Ryan’s life.

[@RuthZwaan]

If you tazed someone in the chest. Would that stop the heart? Is that how joe Ryan Tammy and Alex died. Would that show up on an autopsy?

[@cee073]

This poor woman. Watching the whole thing manifest itself has to be painful.

[@wherethewildflowersare]

She is lucky to be alive! She knows that.

[@pyrografix]

A more disturbing group of people would be hard to find. The family dynamics that Alex's former wife describes is extremely disturbing. To further substantiate many people's beliefs, the parents seem to be just as far removed from reality as Lori and Alex are/were. Now we have a pretty good idea as to how Lori got Alex to murder her husband and children & maybe Tammy Daybell too. Lori was probably allowing Alex to do more than just grope her if and when he did as she bid of him.

[@rescuelady4678]

Thank you for sharing this informative video. Well done !🌺🐾

[@ElviaJSoto]

I agree. This is making a lot more sense after this phone call.

[@1970karenleah]

Plausible!

[@lisabelle7553]

🤮

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Yep she wanted to be with Chad so much that she got Alex to shoot at her.

[@Sadiecooper89]

Well this just keeps getting worse and creepier

[@annabanna123]

This is the true crime case to end all true crime cases 😛

[@Sadiecooper89]

@@annabanna123 yep. Joe Ryan was murdered. I don’t know how, but he was. She’s like the black widow.

[@Sadiecooper89]

A little Game of Thrones twist

[@lauren5160]

So true the more times goes by the crazier the next story is!

[@iveliserojas612]

They was having sex it why he beat all her ex because he was in love with own disgusting

[@froggiesilver22]

I can’t believe how much worse this case gets by the day. How are these people even real? It seems like a soap opera. I pray for peace and support for the innocent victims! Lori and Chad and Alex scare the crap out of me. True evil. It’s bone chilling

[@janettraylor2489]

I was just saying this

[@janettraylor2489]

East Idaho news is the best

[@moimeself1088]

@Non Descript everything doesn't come down to sex. Nowhere had this even been hinted at! 🤦🏾‍♀️ These people are drunk on religion, and it's making their inner monsters worse than they otherwise would have been, bc, you know, god.... 🙄

[@susanwarren6547]

@@moimeself1088 NONE of this is about religion. There’s cult-type actions, definitely, but the rest of this mess is, I don’t know - just some kind of evil. As an added note, God is real, Jesus Christ is His son, who died for our sins, and it is through Him that those who believe and accept Jesus as their Savior, will spend eternity in Heaven. Prayers. 🙏🏼

[@nedab1067]

giving me fred & rose west vibes

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

I'm glad she's came forward and told us what happened

[@jlrc3991]

Truly there's some "Flowers In The Attic" sibling vibes with Lori & Alex. He seemed obsessed with her & she definitely used that to her advantage. Their whole story is just odd & super creepy.

[@daisyunderwood1002]

Oh so true

[@mamashanshan2772]

Exactly, oh my gosh, this is insane.

[@roxyandlilo]

Oh wow, it's been years since I read that book, but you're spot on.

[@westboundpony]

@@mamashanshan2772 I could picture the officer's jaw dropping at the same time as mine. He was as taken aback as I was...and I have been immersed in this insanity from day one. How am I still surprised by anything about this case, I do not know.

[@jennxxo2623]

My thoughts exactly!

[@susanmiller6023]

I have to say how East Idaho News have never let this case down in anyway. If any news station or journalist deserves any awards it's East Idaho News and Nate Easton. They were there from the start and have never let us miss any tiny or insignificant piece of evidence. I'm from London UK and if it weren't for their coverage, I would never have known any of this.

[@annehorrigan570]

I agree, they have done a great job of covering this case...hello from Michigan✌💚

[@emilyflotilla931]

They are spot on!

[@mlwalston1]

what else do they have going on?! cow tipping?!

[@annehorrigan570]

@@mlwalston1 That only happened when Alex was alive. Ya know, he did it to play with their udders...🙃

[@gemmag.2988]

​@@mlwalston1 That's unfair.

[@janetginty1847]

I still believe Alex killed Joseph Ryan

[@lindawilliams5638]

I believe the sisters death was murder as well

[@olderwiser64]

100%. Joe Ryan. Charles Vallow. And Lori & Melani’s dogs. Tylee & JJ, Tammy and his sister Stacy.

[@olderwiser64]

@@lindawilliams5638 or he let her die when she needed medical help for her diabetes he wouldn’t call 911 & just watched her die cuz he’s a psychopath.

[@HYPNOTOAD291]

@@olderwiser64 like he did to Charles, and the same way his stepson did it to him - wouldn't give him CPR

[@edgeann9028]

💯💯

[@CaliGirl305]

This case gets crazier by the day . I noticed strait away that Alex came across like a boyfriend who would do anything for Lori not an older brother . Absolutely creepy and weird . His former wife was smart to get out of the marriage the family dynamics are strange to say the least 😳.

[@eh1702]

This lady is a grown up, well balanced person. No wonder she ran from that family after a few months of marriage. She had enough sense even as a young woman to know how dysfunctional and unhealthy it all was.

[@isabellind1292]

Kind of like the Adelson family. The brother knew that his parents & siblings weren't a positive influence in his life and distanced himself for his own well-being.

[@eleanorryanryan2442]

Seems a lot of the Cox Family have no filter whatsoever, and anything goes... Janice was more interested how Lori looked, than her parenting skills.... The Family are totally disfuntional ... Now we know Janis and Barry have two psychopaths in the family... This woman made a lucky escape....Lori is still the master manipulator... There is So much information now to suggest that Joseph Ryan was murdered also by Alex and Lori... Hopefully in time all these innocent victims will seek justice... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@sarahholt5575]

Agreed!!!

[@janetjohnson7279]

I agree!! I believe that Lori and Alex killed Joseph as well!! You better watch out if ever coming in contact with Lori and Chad's minions. People are dying right and left.

[@olderwiser64]

I’ve always thought he killed Joe Ryan. 100%.

[@CórkaMokoszy]

Hi from Poland. I absolutely agree with you, a woman who murders her children and husbands cannot come from a normal family. Just look at Lori's mother, she has as crazy eyes as her daughter.

[@eleanorryanryan2442]

@@CórkaMokoszy Hello Ami, as the information is coming out, we know Alex and Lori had a very strange sister, brother relationship?? Alex definitely wasn't all there and Lori manipulated him for her own gain... Because they both have PD, anything went... I do think Melanie Gibb is extremely vindictive and will use and abuse the situation to suit her narrative.... She is another one that has no filter, and had such venom for Tylee... And no understanding of JJ even though she has an autistic son herself... She seems to be a comple airhead but a dangerous one.... All these people lie so freely its astounding.... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪💚

[@joycetheobald1717]

I got chills when she mentioned Alex being involved with a 15 year old girl. Poor Tylee was 16 when he murdered her. Being that her body was so destroyed, the evidence of any sort of S.A. was likely destroyed too. I wouldn't be shocked if that happened before they dismembered and burned her. To do that to a body, usually means some horrific things were being covered up and DNA needed to be destroyed. Jmo

[@TheJennyfitz]

Also that he said he was obsessed with sex and would get it anywhere he could and combine that with the fact that his family was okay with being sexual with each other. 🤢

[@darkmoongoddess9791]

It's very possible something like that could've happened. Why would they go through so much work destroying Tylee & not do the same to JJ unless there was more to hide with her? Such a good point. This is all just so tragic.

[@wendymccray8179]

Hadn't thought of him abusing her first, but that does make sense now thinking of it. She probably put up a fight and went beyond just killing her, it became a crime of passion to dismember and burn her to destroy evidence as well.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

The projection then on Joe Ryan and Charles Vallow of “abuse” makes total sense if Alex was in fact the SA - abuser. Deflection etc is very common with sociopaths and narcissists (Alex and Lori). I think it’s very likely that Alex was hurting Tylee (and given everything I have little doubt that Alex and Lori were…eeewwwwwwww)

[@Kickhouse777]

I knew that people suspected that Alex was sleeping with Lori but I did not think about Tylee what a sick P*rk

[@disaffectednarcmagnet2305]

It's all starting to make alot more sense 😮

[@RoseMary-851]

Alex and Lori’s relationship has been sus since the beginning of this. The way he followed her everywhere she moved even to the same apartment building is unnatural for adult brother and sister. This case just gets more and more wild the more information gets released.

[@JudeScott007]

Zero boundarirs in the narcissistic Vallow home...

[@quickchris10]

Define normal. Middle of an infinite spectrum.

[@lisadee0276]

@@quickchris10who said anything about "normal"?

[@quickchris10]

@lisadee0276 Well, by implication, Rosemarie's comment of "unnatural" implies there exists a "natural" brother-sister relationship, and I would just like a definition, please. I know many adult siblings that live near or with each other; maybe it's at the less-common end of the spectrum, but I think the main weirdness is that he probably killed for her.

[@emilyflotilla931]

What an amazingly well spoken witness! Bless her for coming forward!

[@jjrr2273]

starved for media attention?

[@gemmag.2988]

​@@jjrr2273 Disagree.

[@Rhombohedral]

Hey Emily! its quite something. I heard this but I missed this interview! She got lucky.....!

[@emilyflotilla931]

@Rhombohedral She did.. By the way, did you see that Roscoe crossed the Rainbow Bridge? Paul got back from CrimeCon, and he wasn't doing well, so he brought him in. 😢😢🌈

[@AmandaBabyyyyy]

Unbelievable…I always had a feeling something weird was going on between Alex and Lori, but to know it was going on openly in the family in front of their own parents…it’s just a whole other level of messed up. What the hell was going on in this family??

[@howlingwaters2741]

Looks like you've answered your own question 🔥

[@cerisewilson4088]

One of Lori’s cousins did an interview and alluded to the upbringing of Lori and her siblings having a lot of openly inappropriate behavior. Sounds like one or both parents were inappropriate.

[@claireshields1003]

Absolutely disgusting. Lori &Alex pure evil. Sounds like SA was a normal thing in their family. I hope Lori and that 💩chad get life. I hope they get regular beatings. Hopefully someone will shave Lori hair off😂.

[@stacyw.1863]

Try to find the interview with Lori's cousin it will explain a lot about the background.

[@OhKayinAustin]

This LEO is such an incredible and genuine active listener. It's easy to say well that's his job, but it seems like so many investigators have an idea of the way a conversation should go. He makes no attempt to direct or guide the talk. Impressive.

[@gaysy1st]

Well noticed

[@quickchris10]

``Leo?''

[@river8760]

So many people need to learn active listening.

[@river8760]

@@quickchris10 law enforcement officer.

[@quickchris10]

@@river8760 oh I thought you were talking about his zodiac sign maybe.

[@julietigermoon9572]

Smart woman to get out of that dysfunctional family.

[@alldoc9791]

I have always thought Alex was “in love” with Lori. So twisted.

[@karenandrews8695]

I thought he was secretly gay.

[@aprilstorm]

@@karenandrews8695 yeah I saw him being in love with Lori, and at times I saw him as secretly gay, he's so weird it's hard to understand who he really was..

[@karenandrews8695]

@@aprilstorm he spent a lot of his old man's money going over to another country, spending it in the sex trade. I can't remember that other country. But then his friend liked him and he made no advances twords her. Was his comedian friend. Can't remember her name. She had given an interview. So I was thinking he was gay. But really I see he did have a sex addiction and, she is a very credible witness.

[@brianhard1841]

@@karenandrews8695 Alex flew often to Colombia for pleasure? He sent money to Colombia. Why might he do that?

[@shelleyann2001]

100%

[@Juke582]

Great job bringing the news of this whole story to the public! Impressed!

[@pokerdealer2003]

East Idaho news should earn some rewards! Great reporting!

[@kimqueen324]

so, Alex and 15 year olds. Poor Tylee growing up in that cray.

[@ivettelily]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@whitney2042]

Right AND she lived with him for a while.

[@ivettelily]

@@whitney2042 omgsh poor girl

[@PhyreReighn]

Right? Any of us growing up in that! took me years to get away! This religion does not allow for smoking, drinking, no wine, no coffee, no tea or coca-cola But their scriptures tell time & again to "Multiply and replenish the Earth" by their prophets,- smh sex, sex & more babies go figure the addicts!

[@juliemitchell6037]

I've thought since the very start. That their relationship was wierd!! Lori and Alex made me think of a book I read "Flowers in the Attic"in the 80s. What a nice family! 🤮🤮 I'm so glad she called the police! This really tells about the Cox family! ⚖️💙💜😓💔🙏🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍

[@jlrc3991]

Yes! I too have thought of Christopher & Catherine from the VC Andrews series when learning about the weird behaviors between Alex & Lori.

[@itsjust_Q]

Omg me too!!!

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Yep me too

[@ralphmajor1947]

@@jlrc3991 it looked like that from the beginning it was quite obvious 😅 😂!

[@lisaeischens2352]

I remember reading those books back I high school as well. They were so disturbing and to think that Lori and Alex may have had this kind of a relationship is beyond sick. I don’t doubt it with the way Lori acts. Some truly messed up people.

[@jukie16]

Okay so seems like Alex killed Joe Ryan too.

[@caroljohanson2807]

For certain yes they killed Joe and profited from his death also

[@MaddHeather]

I think so!!

[@LyranPrincess6913]

Non Descript have always thought he killed her too. Sad so many victims :(

[@kaydencegauthier3857]

@Non Descript wow crazy

[@karenandrews8695]

Yep

[@justanothersmith6012]

Thank God she came forward to share this info with LE . I also appreciate that she didn’t discuss any of it through social media so it could be picked apart .

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

I always said that there was a strange relationship going on between them. He loved her more than a sister and that's why he did the killings. I'm so glad his ex wife got out and didn't get involved with them and their beliefs.

[@honeybunch5765]

Her revelations on Alex's incestuous actions towards Lori does not surprise me one bit, I got Game of thrones vibes since day one. No way my brother even saw us naked as children let alone touching us inappropriately and vice versa, it's just unacceptable .

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Yeah, when she talked about them mimicking sex acts I wanted to 🤢🤮😭😱!! I honestly can't even imagine what I'd do if I saw my kids "playing" like that...but it sure as heck would involve an *immediate* call to a psychiatrist!! Ugh. I need some brain bleach, STAT!

[@katherineharvey5663]

Alex had to die once she met Brad. He was showing signs of jealousy

[@pommiebears]

Most humans have a built in yuck system that disallows sex with family members. Some scientists say it’s a familial smell that puts us off. It’s absolutely disgusting to even consider inappropriate things with family. Just awful.

[@lilasfaves7846]

I was often naked around my brother and vice versa… it was just innocent! Not when we were teenagers tho

[@grammasgardenofideas5081]

i always thot lori used her sexuality to control him.

[@blazefairchild465]

I think she uses it still with the lawyers, jailers one day she will try her smiles on a jury. Unfortunately so many have fallen for a person like this.

[@tinybubbles263]

And other guys

[@BackrowErnie]

@@blazefairchild465 So true- i can imagine her, 5 years from now, attempting to escape prison with the help of some prison guard who has been sucked in by Lori

[@bjornholmqvist3230]

Mee too

[@peachespage2923]

Me too. What normal brother would have killed her husband and the children. It only makes sense if she was sexually controlling him.

[@hought121]

Okay, I never expected to find out Alex was previously married. Wow!

[@Ludachrissy]

I only expected to find out he was married to Lori… some of the weird things he did to protect this woman are so twisted. I love my brother but we certainly don’t have a relationship like this. Ick.

[@juliemitchell6037]

Me either!! ⚖️💙💜😓💔🙏🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍🕊️🤍

[@raindancer2460]

Thank goodness he never had children! He thought his behavior was normal! My head fell off and I had to put it back on. It appears that Lori Daybell projects A LOT!

[@billfisher4156]

@@raindancer2460 hahahahaha... Chad could reattach your head over a few text...

[@blazefairchild465]

Poor lady thank goodness she got away after a few months.

[@johannavanwinkle815]

OMG! I always thought there might be an incestuous relationship between Lori and Alex..... Their closeness was not normal!

[@ninjazmbeegrl396]

ya I wondered the same thing too! guess our intuition was right after all!

[@CaliGirl305]

I agree with you a 1,000 % . Charles to me seemed like a really loving husband and father, also a great provider . Lori on the other hand is a Narcissistic witch who doesn't care about anyone . She ruined so many lives including her own, now she'll either get the death penalty or be incarcerated for the rest of her life .

[@sweetcin777]

Holy Crap! What was it like growing up in the home with Lori, Alex and their parents?

[@krissiflaton9796]

Creepy

[@ralphmajor1947]

@@krissiflaton9796😁🙂😉😇🙏

[@dyanalynn6698]

There’s a couple that does a podcast called Hidden: True Crime. They did a series called Beyond the Veil. He’s a forensic psychologist and in the series they break down the Cox family dynamics… it explains so much. And what he said about Chads role in everything that happened went way beyond what I expected. They put some of the episodes on KZbin.

[@sweetcin777]

@@dyanalynn6698 I have listened to much of their stuff in the past. Haven't listened to that one though. thank you

[@kevinhornbuckle]

It is almost a certainty that Lori was having sex with her father also. The parents encouraged the incestuous relationship between Alex and Lori. Approving incest without also partaking of it is virtually unheard of.

[@artdecorose]

Thanks!

[@tr6888]

I've always thought that their was definitely incest going on between Lori and Alex.

[@tinybubbles263]

And the dead sister

[@jennxxo2623]

Same!

[@xanthippe_2695]

Yep lots of family secrets

[@valeriebumblebee7607]

@@tinybubbles263 the sister is dead as well?

[@ad8554]

@@valeriebumblebee7607 that's what I'm saying. I'm in a rabbit hole with these videos and people keep ending up dead. 7 people now!

[@deelite5176]

I knew something didn’t seem right between Alex and Lori. A brother and sister should never act the way his ex-wife has describe them. I am surprise she was married to him as long as she was.

[@dawnsarrach6612]

Forgive me who are Alex and Lori

[@yvettethomas5533]

@@dawnsarrach6612 Lori Vallow Daybell, Doomsday Cult Mom. Alex his her brother!!! You'll have to catch up on this one!!!😭😭

[@Stacey0909]

@@CMRBURE 🤣

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Yeah and I think she's telling the truth, she's got no reason to lie. If she started telling it all on tiktok I'd find it hard to believe. But what would she get out of it

[@JudeScott007]

Lets not insinuate that she lagged too long in doing so thought (not to mean you did). Young people make mistakes and she made her move, and did so in only the time she could, and many, not so soon. Less than a year? Pretty quick!

[@kristenkaz3080]

I’m so glad I found this recording. I had “weird vibes” about Lori’s “relationship” with Alex. I always thought there was something sexual & then I thought I was paranoid. Now I’m not so sure. Either way it’s WEIRD.

[@cynthiawilson4500]

The kids were missing for almost a year before they were found and lori kept saying they were safe and happy. Loris mom was protecting her. WOW.

[@madeinussr7551]

Well Lori's sister spoke up the other day and said they knew her as a good mother that's why they assumed the kids were ok. Once they were discovered her family flipped on her . I don't blame them too much for believing her at first

[@carlamanrique8602]

This recording is a true bombshell (not that it surprises me) anything is possible coming from those 2 very strange characters. The degree of insanity and dysfunction is just surreal 🤯🤯

[@sarahholt5575]

This family is NUTS!! I really hope Adam and his family stays far far away from them!!!

[@robbiemarcum8878]

Oh wow. She is a brave woman to get out of that marriage and to also come forward to tell what she knows. I know this information is very much appreciated.

[@venusgal2706]

East Idaho News and Nate have stood out in this case. Stellar job from early on and it continues. Kudos.

[@JL-zn7me]

This is very interesting. I always wondered if there was more going on between Lori and Alex than a normal sister brother relationship. If this disgusting and inappropriate touching was acceptable in their home, was this happening to Tylee and JJ? I know Lori said Joe was SA Colby and Tylee… could it have been her or Alex actually doing it, not Joe? Hearing Alex planned to start a fight with Joe and kill him in “ self defense “, that makes me sick- Lori and Alex had that idea long before they used it on Charles. What a disgraceful, sickening family!!!! I can only imagine what Colby, Tylee and JJ went through.

[@Pamsmith59]

Very insightful. Not hard to cry "sexual child abuse" by people who are themselves into it. This must be examined.

[@summerbrightbright4602]

Don’t forget that Joe Ryan was their first victim.

[@naileenlifestyletv]

@@summerbrightbright4602 that we know about.

[@JudeScott007]

JJ and Tylee were prob whitnesses to murder and the,had to call them "dark" to justify their killing.

[@Blackcatandjam]

Don’t forget Charles, he was also taken out, and Alex said self defence.

[@julieraichart7961]

OMG! This just gets sicker and sicker

[@dorenecollins4990]

Wow!!! Extremely disturbing siblings and parent relationship! Very sad

[@rebeccabaker4485]

I think Alex killed the kids at Lori's request because Chad didn't want the kids and it would prevent. Tylee from telling the truth about Charles Hallows murder.

[@karenandrews8695]

Chad knew and helped plan! He is hung and done too.

[@lauracoleman8114]

He also provided the burial spot. You can't tell me that you had no idea why someone was using your backyard to do what they did to those poor babies. I'd have noticed things were changed. Also the whole raccoon story, while phones are pinging all over he place on the property. Im waiting to see how that is explained. On my dog ate the phone and ran around with it. I was really out walking the track with Lori while this was being done behind our backs.

[@rebeccabaker4485]

I agree that Chad Daybell was totally involved in getting rid of the kids they were buried on his land .

[@jenjennitrite8146]

Rebecca Baker and don't forget about the life insurance they collected on Charles and the kids! I'm very sure that had a big part in it also!

[@rickwood3251]

@@jenjennitrite8146 Luckily Charles removed Lori as a beneficiary and made his sister, Kay Woodcock the primary beneficiary.

[@JenniferFordEsq]

My question is: Who decided Alex had outlived his use to the Daybells, just before he died of “natural causes”?

[@itsjust_Q]

I think Alex knew the cops were closing in and asked Chad to help him facilitate his death… in my opinion

[@Guinevere.625]

I read this account: @Alex had said to a group of people that ‘the kids would never be found’ Shortly thereafter, Alex was dead. (It seems that Alex was going to be a problem. He knew to much and wouldn’t keep his mouth shut.

[@bella3775]

My money is on Chad.

[@laurenecarter246]

My theory is Chud and Hori convinced him to be a martyr and Chud supplied the "stuff" and Zulema administered it. Zulemas reward was Alex's life insurance.

[@MyTeigan]

@Non Descript I think that yelling fight happened before Charles was killed.

[@Beana10]

This may explain why Tylee had a bat when staying at Uncle Alex’s house.

[@conniestone6251]

Absolutely, I’ve wondered all along why the police (or someone) did NOT thoroughly question Tylee about the bat! I mean, geez, IF my daughter or son had felt the need to have a BAT for protection while at their UNCLE’s house-- I’d sure not stop until I had good answers! (edited for missing word “not”…)

[@anettas.1751]

The house was not Alex. It was Loris husbands house.

[@robinettbanister1236]

IMO ... Tylee used her weight as a defense mechanism. To keep nasty Uncle Alex away and sounds like other family members too. She didn't want to be like her insane mother. She used it to rebel against her mother and possibly her grandmother and other family members. She didn't want to endure their "high standards" which likely caused Stacy's eating disorders and death. Look at how Alex treated Stacy as she was in her final days. This family is the model of dysfunctional.

[@karenandrews8695]

Sounds like stress eating. Look what she had been going thru since she was 2 or 3.

[@deniseganey6890]

Wondering if life insurance was taken out on Stacy by the Cox family.

[@ao73569]

Where did you get the information behind this? I’m just curious cause I would like to read/watch it

[@adambutler3266]

Who’s Stacey

[@robinettbanister1236]

@@deniseganey6890 Lori learned it somewhere

[@faykouri1162]

So lucky this lady got away from that disgusting evil family! Oh my revelation of inappropriate behaviour between them disgraceful. Great interview a job well done!

[@MichaelrennieG]

We know now Lori survives by custody support and deceiving others, family included, mother, father, sister, brother, it's unfortunate that good fathers like Joseph and Charles were accused of the worst crimes in order to move the court systems in their favor.. It happens all the time and hurts the victims that truly are..

[@Oceanrocks121]

What was Charles accused of?

[@jenjennitrite8146]

I concur 100 percent!

[@MichaelrennieG]

@@Oceanrocks121 Child abuse to get custody of JJ and Tylee

[@Oceanrocks121]

@@MichaelrennieG That was Joseph Ryan.

[@paulettemaximun2505]

Thank you woman for sharing your story. . . thank you for reporting on this.

[@olderwiser64]

I have said from DAY ONE Lori & Alex were most likely having a sexual relationship given her power over him and how much he hated her husbands. That Cox family is so friggin whack! This is NOT surprising at all.

[@dollymadison2397]

Well IM surprised. Surprised AND shocked. I probably SHOULDN'T be, as diligently as Ive followed this case, but.. heck, I'm STILL having a difficult time wrapping my noggin around that even though I just now heard it with my own ears & I believe her. I mean, it's not as though I'm young and/or terribly naive, but still...I'd have never even GUESSED that. I'm doubting that Lori & Alex actually had sex, but even "just" what his ex describes is...oh my word 🤮🤮🤮 Smh. How can that beeeee?? (Rhetorical (?) I know you can't fathom it either, S. Downey.)

[@Ahlly144]

Omg that’s sick and disgusting 🤮

[@GingerSnapp717]

Same! I remember being shut down about this “theory” on fakebook too.

[@EllaHayaTV]

Yup

[@olderwiser64]

@@dollymadison2397 it does happen and especially if there has been other sexual abuse in the family from a parent or uncle/aunt or someone in authority. Not accusing anyone else but I definitely believe they had a full on sexual relationship. Then I heard some people say they thought he was gay so then I thought I was wrong about them but then I heard he was going to Columbia to have sex with women down there-for money not because he had a specific gf there. But this woman shed light on the family that supports what seemed so evident all along. Nothing surprises me with them or that Cox family. After I read the email that their brother Adam’s wife sent about Alex killing Melani’s dogs and Lori’s dog for them, I don’t put ANYTHING past them. Horribly disturbed people.

[@OoMASEoO]

Telling his wife to abruptly pack up and move out of the state? I wouldn't be surprised if he's a serial killer and needed to flee.

[@patgal2359]

two years so you probably wont see this, but im curious too about the constant moving lori and alex did. were they committing crimes we dont know about yet and moving for that reason?

[@awalkthroughtorah6897]

I am thinking the first husband is thanking the Good Lord now he escaped from that mess.

[@tiffanymoss3987]

years ago her first husband was found dead in his house and had been 2 weeks before anyone was aware …if I’m remembering correctly

[@raindancer2460]

Yep. And the second husband as well!

[@brynbailey7132]

@@tiffanymoss3987 wait, what??

[@brynbailey7132]

@@raindancer2460 I need sources! Whaaat??

[@darlenewesley3617]

Yeah I think it was incestuous for sure

[@deaddadclub8393]

I feel like her poor brother Adam is the only normal person that came out of that family.

[@brianhard1841]

Agreed. Adam could well provide information on the relationships in the Cox family home?

[@Andy-ty2ni]

The Police officer did a really good job in this interview it seems to me!

[@judiashley5818]

Except they did nothing about Lori and alex

[@MyTeigan]

@@judiashley5818 What were they supposed to do about Lori and Alex?

[@lucyclark1301]

this interview is with the press, not the police

[@SH-ue4fm]

The video description says it was a police officer.

[@olderwiser64]

It’s so sad no one stopped this man. So many deaths. So many reasons to hold him without bail & charge him. Especially for Charles’s death after he’d already served time for a felony assault in Joseph Ryan’s case.

[@Traceishere]

he was literally getting away with murder

[@nottthereyet4872]

I hope they can use this info for Lori's Arizona trial.

[@AlexandraG_]

Wow i feel like this explains alot about them, their dynamic and how Alex was as a person, I feel like this was a huge missing puzzle piece. Pretty sick and shocking. They've done a great job covering this story and I can't wait to hear all the details as they emerge to the public. What an absolutely insane case, the family is obviously super twisted.

[@sukkit.853]

Ever heard of prudence, decency? your excitement is gross and insolent to the people who are suffering.

[@kellykelly7747]

Very interesting. I already felt there was something up between Alex and Lori...a strange interaction etc.

[@laurenecarter246]

My theory is Chud and Hori convinced him to be a martyr and Chud supplied the "stuff" and Zulema administered it. Zulemas reward was Alex's life insurance.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

"Chad and Hori". I never NOT laugh at this! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@jenjennitrite8146]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@VictoriaCatLady]

😂😂😂😂😂@ Chud & Hori😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@charliebarrow7086]

Oh my God! The topic is so tragic and sad and here is me laughing so hard about Chud%Hori. I feel a little guilty about laughing so much when so many people have lost their lives but I can't help it.

[@BushaBandulu]

Zulema is responsible for Alex’s death

[@CórkaMokoszy]

Applause for this lady that she quickly realized what her husband was like and escaped from this relationship alive. It isn`t hard to guess that in a healthy family a person like Lori would not have such an Ego. It`s obvious now what bond she had with her brother, I`m not surprised at all.

[@gretaworship1989]

This gal is so lucky she got away from this family!

[@jenniferhansen3622]

Indeed!!

[@raggedyann4372]

Lori and Chad need to be in Prison!

[@mobilemandy8495]

They are duh

[@justmepraying]

@@mobilemandy8495 I think she means that they need to stay in FOREVER

[@solrsys]

They are in prison!

[@solrsys]

@Tiny Princess gee thanks for that super friendly clarification. 👍

[@mobilemandy8495]

@Tiny Princess true

[@LightedRain]

God bless Alex’s ex-wife!!! She is a brave woman and forever in my prayers! That whole Cox family is twisted and evil!

[@linanicolia1363]

not seeing this at all. She is fooling people......

[@jjrr2273]

Too much unproductive time on her hands and sounds more than a bit slighted aka vindictive - leave your ex's alone ppl damn

[@sinetteiversen9978]

Her brother Adam and his son Zac seems to be decent people.

[@carachantler2325]

That story cant possibly get weirder. Oh no. There we go. It just did 😯

[@sherylbarry9143]

Maybe Alex was actually doing the abuse not Tylee's father?

[@cherylwright9408]

Why did Tylee need a bat for security?

[@jenniferclark9842]

Her uncle Alex.

[@Grandpa-potato]

Whoa I never thought of that!

[@SM-qc3zx]

It's probably likely since incest and underage girls were already in his repertoire.

[@jendee1260]

🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️

[@stacybroussard3097]

Well done again, East Idaho News!! Always informative, truth, and honesty... Thank you to Alex's Ex Wife!! Thank you for you honesty and your Concious that made you come forward... I'm sure that was pretty scary.. God Bless you for telling your truth ♥️

[@robbymonaco3738]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - kids who are sexually abused as kids can turn very violent as adults. I'm not saying kids who are abused become criminals, but a lot of these criminals were sexually abused as kids. My point is, sex abuse of children needs to stop because it could cause a young child's mind to go insane sometimes.

[@jerryw6699]

I had a classmate that was sexually abused and wound up killing his wife, her 14yr old son and himself. We, classmates, all knew he was dangerous and the event really didn't surprise us too much.

[@solrsys]

And how creepy was it that she said they only acted that way at their parents house?

[@dianac2498]

I had a friend whose dad touched her like this and worse. He got her pregnant at 13 and the mom took her for an abortion. Even the grandma knew. They didn’t hide it one bit in their house. I was quite a bit younger than her and no one listened or cared so I stopped trying to tell anyone. It was confusing, uncomfortable, and downright scary to witness. I found out she died at age 50/52 from breast cancer but her own daughter is super messed up. That’s because he did it to her as well. I tried to report when I saw she had a child (once I grew up) but no one did anything again! I will say her dad hated every boyfriend she had as well. Possessiveness disguised as “protection” is common in these scenarios. It’s tragic those in authority are so uninterested when they profess to care about kids.

[@robbymonaco3738]

@@dianac2498 Sadly these things happen all to often, either out in the open or behind closed doors

[@marys3127]

@@solrsys - I think it is because their dad was sexually molesting them. The parents were sexual deviants who at the very least spoke openly and repeatedly about their own sex life to their children, so it would be natural for Lori and Alex to feel comfortable displaying such behavior in front of their weirdo parents. It all makes sense now. The power Lori had over Alex was sexual.

[@laurelsheart]

We really need more info if Alex’s sister was actually murdered. With that family I’m sure its possible. Sicko’s.

[@sarahholt5575]

I’m sure she was, I mean look at all of them ?!?!

[@lindawilliams5638]

Bingo

[@alicemorton9145]

Stacey Cox I’m sure didn’t die from hypoglycaemia! Also her credit card was broken into by Alex! Great family!

[@MissJensk1]

@@alicemorton9145 Why are you? She could have done

[@islanderbyrd1881]

It is necessary to meet the family of the person you plan to marry. Viewing the family dynamics may reveal what a person is really about. Heed her warning!

[@karlamarcellus4941]

Wow…he slept with a 15 year old. How the heck did he not go to jail for that?

[@brynbailey7132]

He fled town and the parents didn't pursue charges? I wonder if it was reported. Doesn't sound like his wife reporter it until now.

[@karlamarcellus4941]

@@brynbailey7132 Me too! The dad wanted to kick his behind, but didn’t report it to the police? I’m starting to think that the LDS church probably had something to do with that. I mean, he just kept getting excommunicated. I think this lady wanted nothing to do with him and his family. Imagine if they were already THAT weird. They probably would have made her life miserable for reporting him to the police. Grrr…

[@robbymonaco3738]

Alex's brother said that Alex would take his vacations and always go down to Colombia to get women. Wonder how many people he killed down there too.

[@gramyhaze8195]

The founder of the Mormon church , Joseph Smith married a 14 year old girl as well as many other teenagers, also mother and daughter pairs, up to at least 30 / 40 wome, including women who were already married (polyandry). This is the same weird religious cult that the Cox family belong to, so there you go.

[@karlamarcellus4941]

@@robbymonaco3738 I remember hearing that too, but I don’t think it was from Adam. Can you imagine? I hope not.

[@crazylicious85]

Makes me think Lori & Alex’s parents SA them as kids/teens.

[@Malibu_Dawn]

Ritual Sexual Abuse

[@madreep]

Sexual abuse runs rampant within the Mormon church. No one talks about it but it happens often.

[@krazyk8592]

Something inappropriate was gone on, sexually. These two freaks didn't end up this way in a vacuum.

[@judiashley5818]

What a freaky family. Good thing she saw it and ran

[@GoGreen-l7e]

Talk about no boundaries! This is just very weird. It confirms what we thought about the 2 of them.

[@pamelawages7927]

Bless her for being for persistent. This is such a wicked web of deceit and she is trying to help.

[@cyntmacz]

Alex was 5 Years Older than Lori. He was born in 1968.

[@Dragonfly5455]

Another piece of collateral damage. Poor lady. Her life will never be the same

[@Sweetie_PieLo]

Lori and Alex=diabolical combo

[@RogueWave2030]

It just got a whole lot weirder.

[@Billyjack-Two-Crows]

This phone call has been muted all across to KZbin, on every channel with a subject of Lori and her brother inappropriate behavior. Hmmmmm ...

[@charlottesometimes3060]

I had a sister in law and husband like that. When I saw them in bed, I was told I had a jealousy problem. He passed away and she built a shrine for him with his ashes being the center piece.

[@princessglittersparkle4146]

Umm, no I don't think you had the problem...very disfunctional to be in bed together. Typical to tell you that you had the problem. Yuck!

[@karenandrews8695]

Creepy SICK

[@katalinas9264]

You caught your husband and his sister in bed together? And you stayed with him? Wow.

[@charlottesometimes3060]

@@katalinas9264I left the state and divorced him, then he died

[@katalinas9264]

@@charlottesometimes3060 oh...good to hear 🤙

[@aimeefriedman822]

This is the same thing their cousin Megan Conner said, that the entire family had bizarre sexual conversations most absurd were those involving those parents.

[@sheheri5828]

Wow, what a web! This case just gets weirder and weirder. Kinda makes me wonder how Alex behaved towards Tylee now and if perhaps this all has something to do with the condition of how Tylee’s body was found. It’s all so sick.

[@maisydaisy9216]

During police interview with Tylee, she stated that she had a bat in her room for protection - she had acquired it months previous when she went to live (alone) with her uncle, so she would “feel safer.” Imagine if the investigator had heard that comment and dug deeper. 😢