Easy to Extreme: We Take The Ineos Grenadier Back To Moab For More Punishment!

[@GottTS]

You forgot that it is engineered in Austria! I live here in Austria, only about 40 miles from Magna and it was a pleasure to see the first prototypes of the Grenadier driving around here and see how they evolve. I drive a G wagon but if I would buy a new car today, I would take the Grenadier because it is like the G wagon was about 25 years ago - a solid vehicle without useless bling bling.

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

Exactly , I think it’s the W463 G wagon underpinning’s replacement which Magna had evolved for Mercedes . They decided the pop stars & footballers didn’t care about off reading so went with conventional front independent suspension . Like you j had a G wagon and I did replace it with the grenadier . I’m so glad I did , the bmw diesel is a peach . My only moan is on a cosmetic side , the modern bmw gear never . Why they didn’t use an old style bmw lever is beyond me. Other than that it’s a fair better built truck than my 2018 G wagon .

[@nyc8452]

What does a G-Wagen cost in Austria?

[@GottTS]

@@nyc8452 depends on the model you buy. It starts around 170.000,-- Euro (185.000,-- US$).

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Here in the US, we can’t buy anything like the stripped back GWagen professional config. We only have options for pimped out configs for $140k and up, THEN we have to spend another $40-70k to strip out all the garbage we didn’t want in the first place and turn it back into what we wanted all along. Aaaaaand it will still not have a solid front axle. Mercedes saw they could make a ton of money selling purple GWagens with massive rims and posh leather to rappers - and they were right. In the meantime, the G Wagen lost its soul. This isn’t Magna Steyr’s fault - the platform is solid. It’s just Mercedes following the money.

[@KenLyns]

Same Magna plant also builds the Supra right?

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Man Case had really come a long way! He has become a damn good reviewer/journalist. Way to go Case!

[@CJ-rk5eg]

The $80K pays for the beefiest suspension, drivetrain, and Magna design features…..not for the plastic dash.

[@andyorr1597]

Is anyone making dashboards that aren’t plastic?

[@alexsystems2001]

But that logic gives no value to the parts it replaces. For example if you were building a vehicle from scratch, you either pick independent suspension or solid axle right? You don’t ADD the cost of solid axle to the price on top of buying independent suspension. With the grenadier everyone makes that same excuse, “it’s beefier” ok so if an independent suspension costs $3,000 and a solid one costs $5,000… that would add $2,000 to the cost of the vehicle NOT $30,000 😅. I was ready and had a grenadier being built for me but I backed out with the $80,000 price tag. On a Lexus GX for example, the price of the electric seats, the price of the analog gauge cluster, the mark levinson stereo, the existing independent suspension, the 3rd row of seats etc, imagine taking all of that out and getting a refund and buying solid axels and skid plate with the cost of ALL those parts. Why does it cost more? The lack of things should be credited to the vehicle and somehow that was lost. You take all the stuff off of a 4Runner, what is the parts value? Why does this cost $30,000 more than a 4Runner? It doesn’t make any sense.

[@WildernessGuyBC]

It's Magna, not Magma.

[@CJ-rk5eg]

@@WildernessGuyBC Yeah you’re right !…will fix the typo

[@CJ-rk5eg]

@@alexsystems2001 All I am saying is that the the quality of the parts, and thus the price per part, will likely increase the overall cost of the vehicle …On the other hand, Toyota has extraordinary better ability to scale efficiencies and arguably put more content into a vehicle than Ineos can.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

This is a great review guys, just to give people a sense of capability. I think most people are (begrudgingly) willing to give it credit as an adventure/overland truck, but the off-road crowd are really whiny about the lack of “extreme” specs (37’s with 14” of clearance, anyone?). This is a good review to show how the Grenny just takes it all in stride without the drama. My first off-road experience was pre-production; at one point, I caught myself with one hand off the wheel and the other at 6 in lazy man’s position. I had to check myself and wake up - but that kind of shows how it turns hard work into daily business. It’s not really trying to be a beast - it’s just tough-as-nails, “get the job done” in a reasonable way and comfort. That’s a testament to the extraordinary overbuild (congrats Magna) and the quality of construction (bravo production team in Hambach). It also shows when you get the basics right, you don’t have to resort to theatrics on suspension, wheel specs, horsepower, etc. It just moves gracefully along in a friendly, competent and unassuming way. As we say in Wisconsin, “opes, sorry dere guy, lemme just schootch right past ya.” Toot toot.

[@lloydswartz7354]

Most are moving towards 35s asap. The drivetrain will handle 37s when the time comes, unlike a jeep or bronco or any ifs rig

[@TimeMariner]

I look forward to a 1-2 yr review on how livable & reliable this thing is.

[@BryanPike]

Imagine this with Portals...

[@sebastianduarte4726]

you guys should test... g wagon, defender and the ineos.

[@fvandeventer]

When you “lock” the center diff lock, a less active / reduced ECS capability is in play. I would’ve tried it without center diff lock and without “off-road mode” but still low range, to test the traction control system, and then the use of lockers for the second test. Keep up the good work guys

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

I would have locked all three diff locks at the bottom before starting and just cruised up slowly and in control. Not to mention letting about 50% of the air out of the tyres.

the more I see your videos on the Ineos the more I want one over the Toyota Land Cruiser, Ford Bronco Jeep Wrangler and Land Rover Defender

[@LivingRetirement]

Same...

[@alexwbakker]

As an owner of one, I agree, you do.

[@lloydswartz7354]

Well you are a little biased 😂 Guess I will be when ours comes in as well ​@@alexwbakker

[@alexwbakker]

@@lloydswartz7354 I am the biggest fan of the LX470, and really like the new GX and LC, but, honestly feel like the grenadier captures the spirit better. It’s definitely lacking polish and requires some mods, but it’s so fun.

[@myauctionaddictionestatesa7451]

@@alexwbakker Totally agree. But I also I am someone looking at the durability of the drivetrain, and have dealt with IFS hell my entire life until the Power Wagon. And not carrying a trailer load of spare front end everything is sure nice. Modifying that new Lexus...I mean how much sawzall for all that plastic? I hate plastic stuff on the exterior.

[@gavinsmith28]

You’re not getting the point- it’s an overlander designed for reliable long distance touring- it’s not a rock crawler.

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

Exactly

[@petermello55]

They have a bunch of videos of it.

[@adamharris2674]

Folks SCREAMING for a simple no-frills but capable off-road focused vehicle. What happens? Folks complain about it not having any frills..

[@GaryRichards-cb1fc]

*Everything you need, Nothing you do not.* Happy Easter

[@jasonperry7970]

Nissan actually said this in its original Xterra commercials in 2000.

[@GaryRichards-cb1fc]

@@jasonperry7970 stole it from roman. your point? i had an xterra. great vehicle.

[@Land_Raver]

I've been really impressed with the low range operation in mine. The switch from high to low is tricky though. Put it in park and shove the lever all the way. Put it in gear while holding the lever to avoid grinding gears. Its the only sure fire way to get it in first try.

[@Veyronp87]

i can appreciate that you're paying for absolute mechanical capability. the BMW engine, off-road suspension and triple lockers are not cheap.

[@TheBTG88]

Drove a 1984 Toyota Landcruiser troop carrier in Australia. The manual steering box was adjustable for road vs. off-road. Worked great. A modern version of this should be developed using modern electric steering.

[@tron520]

Been watching the Grenadier program from day one, being a die hard Defender (old school one) owner I see this more the true contender for the Defender replacement then JLR one, jusy see that as a beefed up Range Rover SUV, glad your impressed with it, must say, I am to.

[@Papershields001]

One thing I love about my bronco is the lockers are absolutely effortless

[@andyorr1597]

Unfortunately, so are the tie rods. ‘22 Wildtrak owner. 😩

[@Papershields001]

@@andyorr1597 I got the broncbuster bushing and tie rod braces for my 23 Badsquatch. I haven’t had an issue yet and I bash around pretty hard. The tie rod issue is definitely a weak point in the design, but I suppose it’s supposed to be. The tie rod is supposed to break so that the steering rack won’t. I feel your pain tho.

[@andyorr1597]

@@Papershields001 nice move on the upgrade! I do miss that Trail Turn Assist feature. Had lots of fun with the Bronco.

[@ConSeann3ry]

Sounds like they actually might be just the light won't turn off until you turn. And if the tie rods are breaking as easy as it sounds then they should be tougher and so should the steering rack.

[@Papershields001]

@@ConSeann3ry considering the new broncos are only on their 3rd year of production models they are a remarkably evolved product. Yes the steering rack and tie rods can be improved upon but my experience with it has been excellent, nothing but routine maintenance for 20k miles and I beat the hell out of it.

[@TheRealVranesh]

I don’t off-road, but if I needed an off-roader, this is it

[@RedHawkish]

A phone mount right in front of the driver would be really nice... see your Map while driving (like OnX) which also tends to display your speed. That would be perfect spot for it

[@carlosandresvazquezbaur9024]

I would say this vehicle is great and amazingly capable. The only thing is that it is about $20-$25k too expensive for what you're getting based on the creature comforts. Knock down the price and it is an incredible purchase, but without those creature comforts, I could never justify buying it.

[@tomakky1]

I think this is incredibly priced, you’ve gotta bare in mind this isn’t a mega company like mercedes and its stupid good quality. has a ladder frame thats rust proofed, super beefy suspension set up etc etc

[@bryanbusch6419]

Agreed, people are comparing the pricing to vehicles that aren’t similar at all. This is somewhere between a wrangler and a g wagon and I think the price suits that as a specialty vehicle.

[@carlosandresvazquezbaur9024]

It's not the barebones stuff about it that doesn't fit the price, but not coming standard with power seats or fully fleshed out software that works entirely as intended and can be customized. The vehicle is incredibly capable and worth a pretty penny, but the very basic creature comforts should keep up with the price.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

Holy shit, a commenter used 'this is 20k overpriced' correctly in this channel

[@cobyjones9519]

All those electric comforts you want would be the first thing to brake and the first thing everyone would complain about. It’s not that kind of vehicle. When you’re out in the middle of nowhere the last thing you want to deal with is electrical issues.

[@ricatiman]

Of course it's fantastic off road. They build some of the world's best 4x4's. Let's not forget that Magna has always built a lot of top marque European automobiles. A thoroughly impressive 3.7 million vehicles for 10 OEMs, divided into 30 different models, have so far come off the production line at Magna Steyr's Graz plant. Currently the Graz plant is also manufacturing the legendary Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar models I-PACE and E-PACE, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW Z4 and the Toyota GR Supra. They have built cars since 1906! My 1988 VW Westfalia 4x4 camper, with triple lockers, and a Gelande low gear, was built by them.

[@dennisl6198]

THANK YOU for doing something that at least starts to approach real wheeling. Would love to see this car in some real Rock gardens back in Colorado.

[@dennissmith7214]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the way Tommy keeps jamming the mic in Romans face! 🫣

[@DandoBorusu]

I really like this ineos.. just hope they get the lockers and drivetrain to be more user friendly or quicker to engage.

[@bundo-san]

Impressive, that gnarly hill at at the start looked so easy... Very refined power delivery.

[@small.towns.open.spaces]

You should take this on a proper hard overlanding trip into Pritchett Canyon, bring camping gear, fridge, etc and see how it performs, maybe even fit it with a rooftop tent. Also would like to see it tackle the wall at Poughkeepsie Gulch this spring/summer.

[@myauctionaddictionestatesa7451]

When the Tacoma is fixed, see if it really is and try this trail 😅

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

The Tacoma should walk up that obstacle with just atrac. This is fins and things, the wall optional obstacle on the southern half. I’d definitely like to see it tho so TFL, get on it 😉

[@alanmay7929]

this video is just 2 days old how is a 3 weeks old comment possible?

[@bruceklassen8261]

I love the honesty of your videos ….. you call a spade a spade

[@billgreenley4013]

your comment about on-road steering... my experience with mine is that you need to resist overcorrection; it isn't imprecise.

[@spurly48]

I just took some drone footage of one climbing Hells Gate this last weekend. Not nearly as much suspension travel as you would expect but it still made it.

[@beaviccoon470]

For the diff locks you could try and hold the button for like 3-5 seconds then let go and after that quickly press it. Not sure if thats the way to do it or not but its worth a try. If that doesnt work then you could try to do it the other way around by pressing it quickly and then holding it for 3-5 seconds and see if that works easier.

[@Pau_Pau9]

Gawd, I love *EVERYTHING* about this vehicle! Including the name, *Grenadier..* Such bad arse..

[@Injunfarian]

I am a big fan of what Ineos did with the Grenadier, it is very refreshing to see a new kid on the block that is still willing to produce a utilitarian 4x4 with what appear to be great quality components.. Out of all of the 4x4s on the market right now this is definitely my top pick, although I do enjoy the look of the new Land Cruiser/GX550, I believe the Grenadier is a better product all around.. It is just a shame North America didn't receive the diesel version of it.

[@ToddH116]

MORE OF THESE VIDEOS please? I could watch you guys drive this thing allllll day. I want one so bad, but on a teachers salary, $70K+ won't allow it. Hmmm.... wonder if I can sell an organ... 🤔

[@scottythebody0811]

Lockers should be standard on every four wheel drive vehicle

[@weegeemike]

This is definitely a cool vehicle. Nothing I'd be interested in as it's such a pure off-roader, i dont off road enough or in much tough terrain to justify owning something like this. I like that they kept it relatively simple, definitely on the simple end in the spectrum of modern vehicles. However, im not super optimistic about its long term reliability with its BMW engine and European parts and assembly, none of the countries mentioned have any sort of claim to a reputation of durability and reliability, and these are going to get beat on pretty hard, so itll be interesting how theyve fared 10 or 20+ years down the line. Great video, as always, guys.

[@clooperman3745]

Coming from someone who lives in a country with a terrible reputation for overpriced badly built unreliable vehicles.

[@Ttya-bm4gk]

This vehicle is a beast . If it had a 3 inch suspension lift and the ability to disconnect front sway bar to let that front solid axle articulate to its capability it would be almost perfect

[@hisaddle]

If I have lockers and look at that first obstacle, I use the lockers right off the bat. Been to Moab a few times, have a lifted rubicon on 35's.

[@FlamaFlanga]

Now make a 2 door short wheelbase D-90'esque.

[@technom3598]

2 doors don't sell.

[@Injunfarian]

@@technom3598 Jeep is still selling two doors and you see a decent amount of them, same with the new Broncos.

[@mitchsargent5543]

Very interested in the Fusilier, especially with what the "range extender" might be able to do!

[@arloarevir2191]

I love watching TFL they tried all off road vehicle you can imagine , maybe next time would be a 6x6, my take with Grenadier is the shift lever its somewhat out of touch

[@myrrhavm]

About the 20th video to talk about the outside styling, the interior and the drive train. As well as how bad it seems to be going in and out of modes. The English design with a German engine, Italian axles assembled in France. I think about 20 more videos covering these things should sum it all up.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I really like the Ineos, but it performed exactly like my 20 year old TJ did on the wall. My JL walked up it without lockers.

[@lloydswartz7354]

Needs tires. But jeeps just do not have the space for overlanding.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

@@lloydswartz7354gladiators and 4 doors sure do. I get by fine with 2 doors tho.

[@kadimsilahtar]

Driven in Moab by TOMMY. Excellent driver, great off roader, wonderful content and top notch videography... Thanks guys.

[@Paul-ic2ki]

I like how at the 4 minute mark he took away all momentum to engage his little doohickie and then commented on the wheel spin. lol.

[@PaulMontero-i8k]

I drive a Jeep because it's easier to say than Ineos Grenadier. And Ineos Grenadier Quatermaster is even more of a mouthful.

[@woolengrappler]

The biggest things about the Grenadier vs the Wrangler is the full time 4WD in the Grenadier vs part time 4WD in the Wrangler. The payload on the grenadier is something like 1800lbs, but a Wrangler Rubicon is only like 1100lbs. Towing on the Grenadier is also close to 8000lbs, but the wrangler Rubicon is 3500lbs. So overall the Grenadier is a much more capable vehicle for carrying a load and towing, it’s also bigger and boxier so more interior room and storage space. I think Jeep has better modern features like blind spot monitors, better infotainment, ability to remove the top, etc.

[@jedrzejgorski5437]

Comparing Grenadier to anything else than G Wagon (which it is except for a better drivetrain) makes no sense.

[@TreatsOnTheStreets]

These will be great buys in the used market 5 years from now.

[@lunamaria1048]

My husband and I canceled our reservation, but I still wish we didn't lol

[@CJ-rk5eg]

Why did you cancel? I’m considering cancelling my order too…..For Me the price is way more than makes sense and looking more seriously at the GX550

[@lunamaria1048]

@@CJ-rk5eg It was a number of reasons, like the fact we were relocating to a less rugged part of the country, and deciding the price became unreasonable for an unproven company. Also having a family now we can not trailblaze as we use to lol. We went to their set up test drive and I really liked! Tbh we just want to see how it works out over 2 years, or so. We already decided on the GX 550 Overtrail and will be getting ours during first deliveries lol. Toyota/Lexus is proven lol

[@CJ-rk5eg]

@@lunamaria1048 Sounds like we are in similar situations which make sense.

[@billricheter5678]

@@CJ-rk5egthey are both too expensive

[@lunamaria1048]

@@CJ-rk5eg I have seen the GX 550 at Overland Expo and an auto expo, so very happy with what I have seen! I have owned two 4Runners over the past 11 years, so I know I'll love it!

[@gilbertferguson1685]

Love the color. Interesting vehicle. Keep the videos coming.

[@ninoloso]

Ineos will do better and better from here. Looking forward to their forthcoming vehicles.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

A small 2-3 inch lift and some slightly bigger tires (33-34 inch) would make this an even more amazing vehicle.

[@turbojunki]

The lockers in my Colorado ZR2 were instant no issues ever.

[@christophkragolnik420]

Bro the lockers in the Grenadier are also instant off. The vehicles just makes a second test to make sure they are really 100% off before signaling it, so you don't damage the car. But they are off as soon as you press the button

[@DanMasterBlaster]

Great video review as always and it is a fantastic vehicle, definitely as good as the G wagon for overlanding. No surprise there as both are designed by Magna in Austria.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Not sure why Ineos didn't show the truck doing obstacles like these during the pre-production marketing phase.

[@Shivnandak]

Because they intend it to be an overland adventure vehicle and not a hard core rock crawler to replace the jeep.

[@joshc606]

Besides the price I really like the vehicle! But all vehicles aren’t the same, read owners manual to see how to use the 4WD 😊

[@jedrzejgorski5437]

You should appreciate the fact that one get a GWagon on the cheap.

[@groberts1980]

If they were going for very utilitarian they need to figure out a way to get the price down.

[@loum.4377]

Great presentation and demonstration.

[@fernandopuga6906]

First, if you stop and go every time you have a step with open diffs you won’t make it with any vehicle with open diffs, momentum is your friend. Second, when I test it last year they have a specific protocol to get everything in “off-road mode” it started with putting it in off-road mode, followed by low range and then locking it (if you need to, which during the testing we didn’t needed to) also they made it to be driven in manual mode not automatic when in off-road. Third, take it to an actual challenging trail with an experienced driver, truly test it.

[@acoaks84]

Ill wait until the 4wd issues are fixed before i ever think about getting one of these ....waiting on lockers to engage or disengage is useless.....and tires imo should be atleast a 315/70r17 for the more offroad capable versions or atleast a added option

[@husshardan3511]

I was a skeptic when it first came out, and I still hate the warning cluster in front of the steering wheel. But videos like this really do an amazing job of impressing what the Grenadier can do. The clincher though is Jeep’s ridiculous pricing on their Wranglers now. I specced out a Rubicon 4door the way I would order it, and it is the same money as a Grenadier. Question to the team - are you going to put a mild lift kit on it with upsize tires?

[@bogo1992]

Has TFLoffroad explained the distinction between an Overlander and an Off-roader. Americans view vehicles in the Off-road mindset while the purpose and engineering put the Grenadier into the category of an Overlander.

[@443playground]

What people got wrong about this car is that price goes to the parts that eyes cannot see.

[@christophkragolnik420]

Its one of the most reliable and well put together vehicles ever made. Thats not only becoming extremely rare its also worth every penny! No Wrangler or Bronco even come close in that regard. Not to mention americas bad manufacturing quality... The Grenadier is what the G Wagon used to be and im glad they didnt try to save money just because every other manufacture does. All in all its a very fair prais for those who will use it for what its designed for.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

loving the moab content!!

[@SaltShack]

“We are going to keep it for just over a year”. I wish that would have been true.

[@brianheaton-bb8po]

Can’t help but make a comparison here. I have a ‘95 80 series Land Cruiser with a straight 6 (albeit not turbo…yet) center, front and rear locker (lockers are Eaton with individual switches so front can be locked independently from rear) also lockers are nearly instantaneous lock and unlock with a small occasional roll to unlock at times. Straight axels, sliders, low profile roof rack and purposeful bull bar front bumper for about 11-12k on stock height suspension and 33’s. Essentially a match in functionality to the Ineos at about 68k less and probably the same ride quality. Obviously not the same power performance but a lot of that can be mitigated with the leftover 68k.

[@99unclebob]

you can't compare a 1995 80 series Land Cruiser at all, the safety standards now are 3 fold of what 1995 was, that is why you can't buy a new 70 series Land Cruiser available in other parts of the world and not in North America, they don't meet our safety standards even though they are over engineered, so you compare you lose, the new Land Cruiser is not going to be any cheaper than the Ineos Grenadier,and you have to admit it is plenty capable for a new first year vehicle and you'll never buy a good condition 95 LC like yours for $12k in Canada here the rusty ones sell for more like 18k or higher, people think they are gold , they are good not gold

[@brianheaton-bb8po]

True enough on most accounts, but my comparison is essentially highlighting the similarities I find in the two platforms, safety requirements and age aside. In their time, these land cruisers were nearly 50k, an absurd thought to many then I expect.

[@volvo09]

Looks right at home there!

[@rwilliamjacob]

We had one in the shop today, you can tell it’s not mass produced, they don’t pay a lot of attention to details. It has a factory snorkel, but no diff breathers? WTH? Is this part of another package ?

[@RichardVac]

Liking it more

[@jasonking6892]

Jim Ratcliffe is the owner of Ineos from Yorkshire Check out how many sports teams he owns It's Britain 🇬🇧 best Run company 👍

[@JarmelSingsKaraoke]

Happy Saturday

[@TFLoffroad]

Morning

[@DominiOne683]

Awesome New product & Vid TY!

[@WramblinWreck2187]

I feel like Ineos needs to create drive modes that are easy to turn on for situations, rather than all the button pushes to get what you need. But still leaving the option to switch things on and off manually.

[@andyorr1597]

I have a Trial Master and a Field Master. I love the lack of center speedometer and gauges. I don’t need to know that stuff when I’m off road. I need to know if I lose oil pressure or if my lockers are malfunctioning. Even on the highway, I like the extra visibility without the controls right in front of me. Also, the steering is not an issue on the highway. Most drivers will get used to it after a few miles. I would guess that most drivers would even prefer it over the standard rack n pinion set up. It just feels stout. There is no slop at all. If you put any input on the wheel, it tells you. And the hefty steering wheel has a lot to grip. I love it. I’ve owned Jeeps, Land Cruisers, Gladiators, LX’s and a Bronco Wildtrak. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. If the Grenadier remains reliable, it will be the best of them all. Buy one before the price goes up. Compared to what I’m seeing on a lot of dealer lots, the Grenadier is a bargain at $80K.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

The steer8ng not wanting to center can easily be fixed by turbing the worm gear bolt back a little bit. I know this because when I was taking the slop put of the steering in my 03 discovery, I tightened it too much, and it didn't want to center. I backed it off just a little, and it was perfect. No play in the steering, and it still centered. Im sure you could back that bolt out just a bit on the steering gear box, and it would have the same effect.

[@TimeMariner]

Ah, another very well-heeled offroad enthusiast such as myself! This thing is no Bentley nor a Maybach but it will cut through the bush like sixes & sevens if you catch my drift old boy!

[@andyorr1597]

@@TimeMariner and I still have less invested in my off road rigs than 60% of the Jeepers in Moab… the Field Master is my wife’s.

[@Pandora882]

The cost is where you can't see it in the engineering .The thickens of the chassis which production cars have braided brake lines. Oh and you didn't spec the heated seats so you didn't get them.Nicw vid

[@hongshi8251]

It’s a vehicle that will be around for a long while.

[@bobbymuy989]

Affordable G wagon

[@mustafajoseph134]

Which model do you guys have?

[@Agent.K.]

Can this be modified like a big turbo supra 🤔

[@jamesonpace726]

It's the coolest zombie apocalypse bugout truck, but I'm really not in the market for that, right now....

[@ferrugenfish]

I had a reservation for one for about 2 years and was super excited about all the money going to "no frills" stuff like thick steal, expecting for it to cost about $70k (loaded), but was priced out when the official prices hit. Ended up buying a 2019 Nissan NV3500 and converted it to 4-wheel drive... eventually will get locker when I replace the rear axle. Just too much function out of that setup as compared to what ends up feeling like "a little expensive SUV". I'd brake the bank if Ineos made a less costly, slightly longer wheel-based van blank for people to "bolt on" whatever lifestyle they want... waiting for one of these companies to do it since Nissan discontinued the NV in 2021.

[@johndcockefeller4246]

I hope in the future INEOS snags the infotainment system of Ford or Chevy/GM. I’ve driven/ridden in a lot of different cars and those are the two best in my personal opinion. Low latency, very reactive and snappy. I think Subaru and Nissan have the worst I’ve ever dealt with. A new shifter would be cool too. The BMW style shifter just seems out of place in there.

[@DanielLin-bu9en]

1200$ for a spare key is tough to swallow; not to mention there is no electric diagram or part service manual for the Grenadier yet

[@AngeloSbrocca]

That first obstacle was on fins n things. A stock Wrangler sport could crawl that in 4 high

[@saint_keeblerElf]

So what size are the tires on this rig? Was waiting in the video for you to get back to answering your own question and never heard the answer 😂 it seems pretty capable without having to be monstrous

[@Evoque786]

It doesn’t matter where it’s engineered.. Australia is not renounced for automotive manufacturing .. for any models to be truly successful it has to be a global success..from Alaska to Sahara

[@timmcooper294]

Why the complaints about price??? Beefy axles, transfer case and frame / suspension cost money to build... Fancy electronic features and cake decorating, along with "premium" seating surfaces, are very cheap to manufacture in comparison to the heavy duty hardware, that's why all the manufacturers have gone "luxury".......Pure profits !!! Stop whining !! Go buy a new Defender or Grand Wagoneer !! I want something far more expensive and valuable than all that luxury crap..... Real heavy duty 4WD.

[@nyc8452]

Did its job with ease. It would have made it up without the lockers if you didn't pull the pin when it gained traction. If Ineos survives for another 3-5 years then a 2nd Gen. (or revised model) will be where the smart money starts to pile in. Nothing beats real-world testing and once they have 3+ years of customer vehicles on the road they will be able to dial this in and iron-out any of the kinks.

[@9663mu]

Hopefully these guys are paying you for their TFG channel advertising

[@mrkkiani]

How did Magna build this well and the Fisker such a mess?

[@nycmaverick]

What are we proving here ? An $80k Ineos can do the same thing as a $40k Wrangler or Tacoma?

[@jasonperry7970]

Or a $4000 Xterra?

[@simonfrench9163]

Taxes import duty exchange rates etc. mine was cheaper than a Wrangler in France.

[@mattbrew11]

Ok lets be incredibly real here. This vehicle can not do what a wrangler can do

[@markelliott6105]

Good review. You mentioned the on-road steering being “imprecise” again and that it is a compromise for off-road benefit. Have you had the caster angle checked yet? Thousands of Grenadier owners around the world are suffering no such compromise.

[@Pesmog]

Are you guys planning to do an Ike with the Grenadier?

[@holdthebeans]

So why did you sell it? To get the Cybertruck? I'm sure many would have loved to see a head to head comparison of the two.

[@scrapperguy1986]

Wondering if they have same problem jeeps do with cracked windshield

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Yes - Jeep, Bronco and Grenadier all have the same issue b/c the windscreen is flat and upright for forward visibility and upright/high driving position. I still have to get Exoshield on mine - essential

[@ScottUSA-jy6po]

Yes. Mine has a rock chip after only a month. Small and more of an annoyance. Not replacing until absolutely necessary. Love the truck so far!

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@ScottUSA-jy6po that sucks. I’m hoping to get the Exoshield and a nose wrap next week - will send update on owners forum

[@SaltShack]

Flashing lights and locker engagement/disengagement are two different things. As far as comparing Grenadier to Wrangler and GX 550 or Defender is kind of dumb. To understand what Grenadier is watch “Dirtbox Overland” review!

[@americanfilmproduction7714]

Make a bronco vs ineos comparison

[@h3itman]

Which trail is this?

[@CloneCommands]

The wall is an optional obstacle on Fins and Things

[@JogBird]

this entire series is basically an ad for the vehicle

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Isn't that what car reviewers do?

[@TheCapn23]

Uh, car channels cover cars. Are you lost?

[@mediocreman2]

The videos are sponsored. So yeah this is not a real review series. The vehicle will be paid for shortly.

[@erhardt1477]

Nice car … It’s a English car, of course … 😂 Engine from Germany 🇩🇪 Transfer case from Germany 🇩🇪 Build in France 🇫🇷 in a old Mercedes Benz factory 🏭 Brexit at its finest 😂😂😂 Oh and YES … this is too expensive… I hope they come up with a true utility vehicle 🚗

[@skiptheroad]

It has more Jeep Wrangler in it than Land Rover. Watch the development videos from Ineos and you'll see many Wrangler components where used for the drivetrain during its its initial testing.

[@jedrzejgorski5437]

It's a GWagon with a BMW drivetrain (a preffered swap for all old Japanese offroaders in Europe - I mean the BMW diesel which the US does not get). Yup, Magna allegedly tested Dana 44 on Grenadier mules. But something good for Rubicon proved to be a joke for this heavy monster. And they settled for axles from some European tractor components supplier, an approximate equivalent of Dana 60. So much for similarities to Wrangler.

[@skiptheroad]

@@jedrzejgorski5437 good to know they upgraded the axles. Suspension design is a direct copy of the Wrangler though so expect steering to be very vague.

[@jedrzejgorski5437]

@@skiptheroad How can the G Wagon producer and designer copy anything from Jeep? Please... Why Wrangler, and not w461, 1st gen w463 or new goverment-only w464, or why not Suzuki Jimny - they all have front rigid axles, don't have rack and pinion steering, and their handling is terrible. You don't need Wrangler as model role.

[@skiptheroad]

@@jedrzejgorski5437 if one watches the Grenadier development videos that Ineos produced, one can clearly see that Magna used the actual Jeep Wrangler JL suspension, axles, and wheels on their early prototypes. That is why I suggested the Grenadier is more Wrangler. If Magna had used actual suspension, axles, and wheels from a g-wagon then I would have stated it was more of a g-wagon but they didn't. I'm not making any claims as to quality or which is more durable.