Frame Trap - Episode 95 "Lightsabers and Pocket Monsters"

CORRECTION: I incorrectly said Destiny 2 is the only game included with the Stadia Pro subscription. Samurai Shodown is also included. - Ben
Ben, Brandon, and Kyle go into great detail about both the heartwarming and heartbreaking parts of Pokemon Sword and Shield. There's also excited discussion about Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order and Luigi's Mansion 3. For the HOTTAKE, they try to unpack the messy launch of Google Stadia.
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15:18 - Pokemon Sword and Shield
52:07 - Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order
01:22:57 - Caught in a Frame Trap: Guess the pokemon's type
01:34:50 - Luigi's Mansion 3
01:47:48 - HOTTAKE: How are we feeling about Stadia?
02:14:35 - Emails
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[@johannesmeier5550]

I love seeing Jones smiling with glee at Bosmans crazy Pokémon takes xD

[@PsychoPenguin1919]

The Pokémon talk was incredibly refreshing. Please, don’t apologize or feel bad about your opinions. L&R

[@MassiveScore]

The Pokemon discussion makes me wish we could see Ben join Kyle and Brandon on a Silver Squad stream

[@SirGrindgore]

Really glad Ben didn't get distracted too much and went back to Luigi's Mansion almost immediately after the previous Frame Trap. That game IS fantastic, deserves more recognition and is probably my GOTY. Definitely the most fun I've had playing any game this year, outstanding level design, creativity and exploration, looks stunning...love it.

[@297fihsy]

Defeated_Hero Ben’s chat about it and comments like this are really tempting me. I was worried the hotel aesthetic didn’t work as well as the mansion setting but I keep hearing great things

[@Ayoul]

@@297fihsy Let yourself be tempted. It's really fun and charming.

[@mileswilliams4807]

I'm picking it up soon hopefully. It looks great! I never played the older ones.

[@WhammyTime91]

Fascinating and frankly excellent Pokemon talk. I agree 100% with everything pretty much all of you said. I’ve never had so much fun with a game I’ve been so disappointed in.

[@HylianTicipated]

Frame Trap is amazing. Love breaking the ice and getting the groove going with opening intros; a day in the life of the Allies. Then it's onto games, then it's breaking out of the FT, then it's e-mails. Good variation and Ben is always passionate. Ben, you're an amazing host. Don't ever worry about how you're doin'.

[@toodlesX14]

Love the Pokemon talk, though I disagree with the sentiment that SwSh is a step up from Sun and Moon. Sun and Moon were small scale, but they told a very focused, impactful story (for me anyway, I know some people weren't hooked like I was). Sun and Moon successfully made Alola with a real sense of place, culture, and history. They also tried replacing gyms with unique trials, added crazy Ultra Beasts, and dropped the "only this special boy can save the universe" story for something smaller and heartfelt. Sword and Shield just feels like it is floundering on the Switch. There is *no* story, the towns are smaller than S/M somehow and most feel lifeless and interchangeable, it's janky as heck, and it's painfully easy with the EXP share you can't turn off. It's a bad game but I'm still having fun with it, because Pokemon is inherently fun.

[@TripodDetergent]

When Ben asked about Milo at the start my mind instantly went to the Gym Leader in Sword and Shield

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

I'm not sure there's a man alive that loves video games as much as sakurai, he has 2 houses, one just for his video game collection/office, he has every console hooked up 24/7. he has 4 ps4's, all the different xbox ones, and about 100+ controllers. he schedules gaming into his work day which is probably an 80 hour work week, and justifies it as doing research. he does alot of work but he also games a heck of alot.... no one can keep up with that. He's a heck of a guy, with so much personality but feels like an intense life. altho he is self employed as a contractor and he works with his wife, and he earns alot of money and respect so it's hard to say it's a bad life.

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5S2qJRjgLl2abc

[@boldlyfumblin]

Honestly, Box Peek season 2 is beyond anything I thought the show could be. Kyle really put his demented mind to work with that, to all of our gain.

[@hectorplz2813]

agree with Kyle's hot take on Sword Shield: "this is a bad videogame"

[@Acarinn]

Box peek turning the direction its going gives me such awesome vibes. Like expands the concept to a place I wasnt sure it was going to go to. Love it so much! The style really blows me away too I love seeing how you create the sets and effects and all that.

[@TrentKaniuga]

As a game artist, That taxi thing in Pokemon bothered me too. We see the crow thing in town... they had the model. I wanted to see the thing swoop down and fly over the map. Just hire all of these passionate Pokémon fan artists to beatify the game Nintendo.

[@TheGouravJena]

coming here post drunk bachelor party Ben is amazing.

[@7thsaga662]

"Hey let's add this Wild level but let's not go wild" -Gamefreak

[@lukemoonwalker8444]

I love that Ben keeps bringing up his Astral Chain money XD

[@samuelcardwell577]

Hey Ben, cool shirt.

[@adityariyer6794]

Samuel Cardwell But what about the rest of the show tho?

[@OkayQuest]

im here to demand everyone watch box peek and to say if you don't like season 2 you're a chump!

[@benjaminsmith5972]

seems pretty lame from his pokemon takes

[@CharenZard]

Benjamin Smith What’s wrong with his Pokemon takes? Also, weird to judge a show based on the creators’ takes on a video game, but that’s just me.

[@297fihsy]

Benjamin Smith surely that’s bait

[@boldlyfumblin]

@Jain Farstryder it's a shonen anime, from the twisted mind of Kyle Bosman. Oh, and it GOES places. That's really all you need to know

[@OkayQuest]

@Jain Farstryder its a really fun and subversive story told through a unique medium.

[@loopytuneslive251]

Our Box Peek adventure is far from over.. There's always Kickstarter Reboots for nostalgic kids and parents when you're retired and can waste away crafting paper worlds for KZbin!

[@dannih4]

This is quite motivational. I shouldn't stress too hard when projects take longer then it should, aside from production cost of course. It's a common thing.

[@tvPH-]

Not enough appreciation for Kyle saying "we'll take up your arsenal".

[@felizpanda]

Okay, I was disappointed with how shallow the pokemon takes were on the EZA Podcast but this conversation was great! The points were well articulated and thought-out and it got into some of the nuances of the issues. I apreciate the three of you taking the time to talk about it.

[@ashesofaranea]

your comment is a bit confusing not sure if you mean this podcast or the main podcast. You said this conversation was great, so i think you mean this pokemon conversation, but it could also mean you just thought the frame trap podcast was great overall. can you please clarify, if its not a problem?

[@cambienvenu]

Dejavu I was at first too, but I’m pretty sure he’s referring to the EZA Podcast and not this frame trap episode

[@andrewkos5560]

@@ashesofaranea Pretty sure he meant the EZA Podcast, where Kyle said people should be embarrassed for complaining and everyone else said that people needed to wait and play it before commenting. Given Kyle's stance here, he just seems defeated and content that Pokemon will forever be a 7 (at least in his mind), which is fair I suppose. Hearing Ben's POV and how much it syncs with my own does make me happy that people are legitimately praising some good ideas in it, but also dogging on how underwhelming a lot of them are in execution.

[@felizpanda]

@@ashesofaranea Sorry, yes I can: I was disappointed with the discussion on the EZA podcast which boiled down to stuff like "everyone hates this game but it still sells a lot" and "I guess everyone wants pokemon to be a cakewalk". The coversation here I liked and it got into some of the nuances of the thing like the fact that pokemon is many things to many people and their complicated feelings about the series. Worth noting that this was recorded before that eza podcast so I guess Kyle and Jones didn't feel the need to elaborate because they knew frametrap was coming. (I'll also edit the original post to clarify)

[@Doomroy990]

Felippanda I think you were missing a lot of Kyle's sarcasm from his takes on the podcast. I think that's how he's expressing disappointment in it selling well despite the issues. Also the whole point of frame trap is to be able to have an hour long discussion on one game vs the podcast which is more fast paced and news oriented, not deep dives into specific games

[@DeviMon1]

I love that Ben referenced the fact that they spent all of his Astral Chain money 🤣🤣 Gotta love cross-overs from other EZA shows :)

[@nicoroucon9828]

Brandon loved your meticulous discussion and impressions from Fallen Order! Agree on a lot of those! So happy we got such an amazing game

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

I wish all games journalists were this passionate about things.

[@dcashley303]

Mega Drive and Jet Set Radio all the way.

[@RoraBeth]

Kyle's shoutout during ads is what I needed! Thank you Kyle :)

[@legendarren]

Thank you Ben for highlighting the brilliance of Luigi's Mansion 3 in this episode. That game made me smile like a child the whole 20+ hours I played it. This is one of the most Nintendo-esque game in the Switch yet. It's just a joy to play.

[@tommim4353]

BEN, what a GREAT HOTTAKE trigger !! :D

[@brawly]

I was kind of looking forward to hear about Death Stranding from Kyle (I know he's still in chapter 2). His RDR2 rant is still my fave.

[@Stormcrownn]

What is Kyle's rant on rdr2? Where?

[@brawly]

@@Stormcrownn Frame Trap #68.

[@Stormcrownn]

@@brawly thank you.

[@Tragel102]

BrawlEmAll - GYM MIX MUSIC RDR2 is a bad game and DS is a good game

[@hammadkhan450]

@@Tragel102 bro that take sucks. just saying...

[@Choom7]

Yesss I've been waiting for this one!

[@Banditolore]

Box Peak is wonderful Kyle! You did a great job. : )

[@FakYuhGoogel]

Mega Drive and Jet Set Radio FTW

[@TinyPrinceGames]

I love these discussions this week. I wanna bring the Sakurai conversation all the way back around to Pokemon for a minute. Sakurai oozes passion, and like Ben said it's not just for his work but for VIDEO GAMES. It's so apparent every single time that man talks or writes a column that he loves video games with so much of his being. It's inspiring to see someone that passionate about something. I wish, I really really wish, that I felt that same ambition and passion from Pokemon. When Ohmori, and Masuda, or Ishihara get onscreen to talk about Pokemon I just don't see their passion on their faces. I see people talking about a product, not a video game. That's the difference when I watch these people talking. I don't get vibes that it's a craft for them, something to aim higher and higher with. I get the vibes that it's the next product in their line of products. I went back and actually watched EZA's reactions to the first SwSh announcements, with Kyle's bonus react, and he sums it up the exact same way. I just don't see the ambition and I wish so badly that I did because I love Pokemon and it's got so much untapped potential. Okay, sorry, rant over. The discussion just really brought something out in me. Thanks to the three of you if any one of you read this, or if Blood does. Or anyone who reads this.

[@azimulhoque1497]

Got a timestamp for the Sakurai discussion?

[@BALLA10110]

Jones is really competitive when it comes to caught in a frame trap

[@OranjeDiscoDancer]

31:58 for Kyle and Ben singing Hootie (Also great Pokemon discussion guys, couldn't agree more. Why can't the games hit the levels of the anime?)

[@RandyVie86]

Dude; that Jones SF6 trailer gave me chills

[@ZachOfAllTrades7]

I just want to add that in Luigi's Mansion, you can change your control mode to "horizontal only", in which you aim the poltergust as if you were playing a shoot 'em up game, and you use the IR sensor on your controller to adjust the height. It's a strangely immersive experience and I highly recommend it.

[@mattlandry]

Damn I thought we were gonna get some Shenmue talk! I really hope at least huber is enjoying it as much as I am.

[@retzky]

The Ratchet and Clank naming question was incorrect. Locked and Loaded is the alternate name for Ratchet and Clank 2: Going Commando. Up Your Arsenal is Ratchet and Clank 3

[@morkidude]

Oh damn! My bad! My point really was more if the series should have the generic names or the sexual puns

[@sebbaa93]

Jones dynamaxing is a highlight for this week.

[@_caustics_]

Kyle’s right about consoles. We like buying the thing. Whatever the box is, we want the box. It’s exciting and we want to unbox it see what it can do.

[@Daryl42]

The evil is resident inside of the characters in the game. If the virus is inside of you, that evil is now resident inside of you.

[@Daryl42]

NOTE: The Evil Within is basically the same exact thing. Shinji Mikami, the GOAT.

[@filippogabello1567]

"OH YEAH BABY" _ Kyle Bosman, 2019

[@lystic9392]

OK. OK. You sold me on Luigi's Mansion 3.

[@neojd]

I’m 5 badges into Pokémon Shield and I’m enjoying it. I agree that Pokémon could use a big evolution and shake up the franchise a lot but at the same time, they haven’t broken it. It’s consistently entertaining and just mindless fun and I can appreciate that.

[@djk287]

I will say you missed talking about what I think is the jolliest part of Pokémon Sword and Shield. The camping. The interactions between the Pokémon there and with you are great and underrated. See some really nice ones on twitter.

[@BlackPrinny]

2:41:36 That moment when Brandon focuses his searchlights on Kyle....intense ;-)

[@TotemoGaijin]

There's no Cinderella story here for Stadia, Jones. Anyone with electricity can get a ps4 and death stranding, but unless you live in some major metropolitan area, Stadia isn't even a pipe dream.

[@osohista]

And that's when Jones found out he's no longer a pokéboy, he's a pokéman.

[@maui_idw7644]

My 5 year old loves Box Peek

[@KerstinMamma]

So what you guys are saying is that they really dropped the Poké ball on this one.

[@atmosphericfloatything2472]

Jedi Fallen Order for me was a solid action game for quite a while, until the return to Kashyyk. What happens climbing the tree, atop the tree and boss fight finale was incredible in scale, design and enjoyment. This sequence alone has elevated it to GOTY possibility.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

I beat that guy but never found out how to dodge the earth quake attack thing. Was I suppose to jump?

[@willhamann8212]

BLOW DAT HOOOOORN! tewt tewt. thank you all for the episode

[@baircade]

Milo moment of the day is so wholesome

[@dcashley303]

45:36 watch with no context haha!

[@Bman54X]

The R&C portion of that first email is kinda wrong. The 2nd one was called Going Commando in North America, while Up Your Arsenal was the 3rd one.

[@lukemoonwalker8444]

Luigi's Mansion 3 is SO GOOD I feel ashamed every single minute I play Pokémon instead of finishing it, yet I can't stop :/

[@flotador7]

1:29:00 Oh God; that Ice Cream is gonna be the new meme, won't it?

[@mikkelharving256]

Will we ever know kyles opinion on death stranding :'(?

[@SupernaturalMonkey]

Isn’t ‘Up Your Arsenal’ Ratchet & Clack 3 Pretty sure the alternate title for 2 was ‘Going Commando’

[@calvinbarboza]

When you learn Box Peek will only have 10 episodes after thinking it would be an ongoing series... Six seasons and a movie God Damn it!

[@GetGoodGirl1561]

I love a Milo update ❤️❤️❤️

[@slade52]

54:50 I feel your pain Kyle.

[@repugnantman8458]

I think the IGN article said it best, "nitpicks are just not very effective when everything else was such a complete joy to play"

[@purplatypus7405]

When you trying to find out who ate all the mashed potatoes at thanksgiving 2:44:57

[@lilrockstar77]

I play inverted too. My friends make fun of me. So I created a god named Invertus. I tell them that he will rise and strike them all down for playing normal.

[@Maradum]

1:56:00 also a big issue for me with the Stadia. You do not really get the feeling that you own these games. Physical, even digital copys on other systems just feel so much better/safer

[@marajango]

Man... I'm sooo looking forward to this Fallen Order Spoiler Mode!

[@LeanneMustafa]

1:34:30 this is amazing. #GoodContent

[@nitaiginzburg8689]

Ben, classy shirt man.

[@kif1983]

Something obvious that people forget is that your Internet speed is not the speed of the Internet. I would expect this is why there's such a mixed result with Stadia, even with high speed connections. You are only as fast as the slowest point between you and what you're downloading. This, I think, is why Stadia will not work well outside of major population centres, not a million miles away from their data centres. That and a games lineup which shows little market consideration.

[@baircade]

Jones, I am playing Fallen Order on PC in 4K and I have encountered none of the issues you've mentioned. Though I gotta say the game is installed on an SSD.

[@trounbyfire]

Its pixel 2, all the 3s and 4, it doesn't work over cell yet anyway. Google really messed up this and i was a chest beater for stadia.... Needless to say i look dumb as hell now but tech wise everyone was gonna have different outcomes so that part i feel good about

[@mileswilliams4807]

Perfect podcast to listen to while grinding the Death Stranding plat. 😀

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

I gave you a like because I know you need about 3000000 for the Plat.

[@mileswilliams4807]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx Haha, well played.

[@momamario]

Jones - the title mother is actually a reference to the John Lennon song which apparently inspired the game! I dunno much else about it because I am a big Beatles guy but not a big earthbound guy. I prefer the name earthbound

[@SmorgasLord]

I have pretty serious stuttering in Fallen order, my framerate goes from 35 to 55-60 fps. its probably my old i5 cpu that's bottlenecking, but I have heard of similar issues from a lot of other people.

[@Andareas]

I have a ryzen 7 1700x and a 1080ti and I still stutter. It's more of a game issue, but I got used to it. It seems like it happens everytime itt loads the map. Think it's an optimizing issue, hopefully they fix it.

[@MellowFelloh]

Pokemon's like a solid skeletal structure of this giant beast that could be. But GF never adds meat on those bones.

[@ahorserunning]

Hmmm I think the FGC chat at the end is missing information. Smash Bros also has the same quality of simple trailers other fighting games get where it just shows the characters fighting, unleashing their smash abilities, and wraps it up. And at the same time, games like SFV also have in depth character videos that go over what their buttons and abilities do and how to the utilize the character/why you would want to pick them, and for what kind of player they are suited for. Literally for every single character prior to their release like the Sakurai video. They're there. But on top of this they're not trying to communicate to the same audience. Even as per the creator of Smash himself, it is not a competitive fighting game. It's a party game. This is why he spends 45 minutes to teach his audience how to do basic fighting game inputs. That stream was phenomenal though and watching it with Damiani was a treat. Also, don't trust Mike Ross lol He is an unreliable narrator due to his overt manbaby emotional qualities that we love him for. It's what made Excellent Adventures and then Capcom Pro Talk after so endlessly entertaining for us all. But he constantly contradicts himself. I'll never forget in particular how much he shat on people to leave him alone, and then shat on everybody again for not wishing him a happy birthday moments later. You have to wonder, when Capcom told him they don't need him or his show, do you think they just randomly walked up to him one day and said it just to say it, or did he start some emotional bullshit("You guys NEED me!!") so that they felt the need to respond in such a manner? Just something to think about. I wish we still had Excellent Adventures and CPT, but I think Mike did this shit to himself like he always does. And the fans had to suffer for it. Ben is also right about the fans' reaction to SF3 and Capcom having to add familiar faces in the later iterations. Every new Street Fighter has been met with fan backlash actually by the previous gen. Alpha was hated by the Super Turbo players. 3 was reviled by Alpha fans. IV was disliked by....pretty much every previous entry's fans(FADC Fighter). And now the Ultra IV community smashes on SFV all day long like it's their jobs they've never had. Bottom line is....Third Strike is the greatest fighting game of all time. I'm out!

[@Small_Leviathan]

Kyle, "this game is bad because it's not like I want it to be" is possibly the coldest take in existence. That said, a lot of the criticism you guys had is stuff I agree with on a fundamental level. There are so many instances where it feels like Sword and Shield ALMOST reaches utter excellence, only to fall short. To me, it feels like the thing that is stopping Gamefreak from reaching that excellence is that they simply aren't given the time to. I think it's clear now, more than ever, that Gamefreak is forced to juggle too many projects at once to keep the Pokémon train rolling, and that shows in many areas of Sword and Shield. They can't make a game of Breath of the Wild's scope and vision, there's no time for it. As a result, I hope that if anything comes out of the utterly TOXIC discourse leading up to the launch of Sword and Shield it's that the upper management at Nintendo gives Gamefreak some more time for the next game. Greatness can't be reached when you're making one game a year.

[@EfryeN2]

I wonder if time is really the only issue. It's true that you can't fix every single game dev challenge by just throwing more money at it. But in some cases, you absolutely can. Best example: The animations in Sword and Shield are, for the most part, an absolute joke. It boggles my mind that with all the money they have at their disposal, they don't just hire an animation studio to take care of them. At the very least for the cutscenes. The same thing applies to sound design. It might also be a good idea to get an external studio to handle their gimmicky mini games, in this case camping, to make them a bit more bearable. There are many options they could have explored to improve the quality of this game, but it seems like they just didn't want to spend the money for them.

[@MassiveScore]

What projects are they juggling? They mostly jump from Pokemon game to Pokemon game with an occasional game on the side. Do you think Sword and Shield suffered because of Little Town Hero?

[@Small_Leviathan]

@@EfryeN2 There is a very real possibility that time isn't the only issue, but I think it's the main one. And I don't think just tossing money everywhere IS an option for Gamefreak. It's true that Pokémon is the biggest franchise in the world, but that money does not go directly to Gamefreak, it goes to Nintendo and the Pokémon Company. It's true that spending more to do things like outsource animation work and minigame programming would ease up Gamefreak's workload but I'd be very surprised if their publishers let them spend those resources.

[@Small_Leviathan]

@@MassiveScore Sword and Shield was in development at the same time as the Let's Go games, as was Little Town Hero. Sword and Shield did probably suffer as a result of LTH but the blame isn't on that game directly, but rather on the fact that Gamefreak seems to have to pump out a game every year, and THAT more than anything is the core issue. That's an extremely short turnaround cycle for development and if the statement from that ex-Gamefreak employee is true then it's no wonder a lot of Gamefreak employees are burnt-out and jaded.

[@EfryeN2]

@@Small_Leviathan Absolutely, I don't mean to blame Game Freak necessarily. I have no clue how much money they get or what their deal with Nintendo/ThePokemonCompany looks like. Chances are they aren't even *allowed* to make major changes to the formula without getting it approved by people who have never played a video game in their entire life. But *someone is* getting the money and *is* making the decisions and could likely fix many of the game's problems. Easily. And that's just frustrating!

[@irrelevantgamer8171]

Correction: Gamecube is a great name for a console. It tells you EXACTLY what your getting.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

But its not a cube. It has a handle that ruins the shape.

[@LonelyGamr]

ben's awesome

[@knleonhart]

I heard Blackhole Sun and just wanted Kyle to make an Or Wars out of it

[@charoleawood]

2:15:33 You're in all kind of residences in Resident Evil 5, the game starts in a residential area of a city, the swamplands are the residences of indigenous people who build homes on stilts, the underground ruins are also the residences of these people. Biohazard is a boring title, I love that I can call it RESIDENT EVIL! Also, Resident Evil VII, I mean, c'mon.

[@quagthias]

"Mother. What is mother?" I'm pretty sure it's supposed to reference Mother Earth. The O of Mother in the logo is a planet, and each game the mother of the protagonist is more or less an important motivation. I prefer Earthbound, especially for Mother 2, because it's primarily about leaving your little town and traveling; it's a globe trotting adventure.

[@quagthias]

@JB 2:19:05

[@jmac217x]

Pokemon's design team has probably been the same old men for decades. Plus it's worked for this long; and even now it's selling.

[@marcrousseau5284]

All the Box Peek views are people who love it though

[@ChristopherZubin]

BD-1 is the baby yoda of Star Wars.

[@Ayoul]

Stadia also offers Samurai Showdown for free. Destiny is the biggest game which is why it's getting more attention, but it's not true that it's the only free game currently.

[@EasyAllies]

see description -Bloodworth

[@justkeane2618]

I agree with almost everything the three allies talked about Pokémon, yet I still give Pokémon a ten. Kyle says it the best, it’s not that great of a game yet we all still love it, because it’s FUN.

[@alexanderchilton911]

Pokemon Sword and Shield is not the game I wished it was, but it is still one of my favorite games I have played this year and one of my new favorites in the series. It might not be the best or most impressive at the time of release, but It is a big step for GameFreak (which definitely needs to pour a lot more money into it). It is way more replayable than the last two gens for my way of playing. I hope the next game does a lot more tho and most criticism is valid.

[@pkstarstorm8856]

Cool shirt

[@borgs101]

I'm having great fun with pokemon sword i havent played every game in the series so its not as "stale" for me, I can understand the points made it could definitely be a lot more .. but for what it is, I'm over 20 hours in getting close to the end and enjoying my time :D wholesome and fun

[@ayasolaris4971]

So how many pingpong balls are there in the bus?

[@terencecaron2922]

I'm kind of amazed at how much the american audience/medias love Star Wars Fallen Order, as if it was a GOTY contender and all. For a game that copies so much of its models (uncharted's platforming, tomb raiders puzzles, dark souls respawn/health mechanics), I don't think it does it really "great" or on the same level. It's got some great moments when the gameplay works, but its also so unprecise and timing is very often not tight enough to make you feel 100% in control (like in Sekiro or souls games). I guess you get bonus points for making a good star wars game. And not Battlefield Star Wars.

[@gvulture1277]

Terence Caron it’s just because it’s a decent Star Wars game and that kind of takes over any other form of criticism, that’s the power of Star Wars.

[@SkoobaNIK]

Google DGaF, they made a cringey AF ad for Stadia and now they wait for the money to come in. They might have about 100,00 users in the US as of today, that is if it even works for them. Boxes for lyfe, bruh!

[@JangoTheBlueFox]

Mother=Mother Earth

[@kbrand93]

I just don't see how Stadia will be able to dig out of this hole that they dug themselves into. Once Xbox announces their price point for XCloud, it might be a knockout. Xbox could conceivably just bundle XCloud into Xbox Game Pass Ultimate ($15/m) and all a consumer would need is a bluetooth controller of their choice (even a Duelshock they announced). XCloud already works on more androids, plus it's coming to PC in 2020 and iOS. They already have the GamePass app available everywhere. The crowd Stadia is trying to cater to is the box-less, on the go people. Xbox already has the model with GamePass to integrate, and everything compelling about game streaming, and it's still in beta.

[@dearcrowns]

While I did enjoy the Pokemon talk, I kind of got the impression that basically all the blame is being placed at Game Freak's feet and I have to wonder how much that's he case and how much Nintendo is responsible as the bigger company and publisher. The fact that Pokemon has been an annualized franchise for a good long while (not that it's clear who decides this) and GF is clearly a small company with little HD console development experience never seems to come up in these discussions, and everything seems to boil down to "they don't get ambitious because they don't have to". Even though I do agree that statement is true, it does make me wonder how much resources GF gets, especially given they have(? assuming it's not their decision of course) to keep releasing a new entry every year. The dividing up of the rights does a lot to complicate this either way. L&R

[@philbarton2832]

Gamefreak are just a very average games developer, they made their own game a while back called tembo which was very average. I get what you're saying but I think both parties are happy with the amount of money pokemon makes and I think Nintendo know how average gamefreak are so don't want to give them too much creative freedom to rock the boat.

[@skinnyluigi]

Pokemon or Pocket Monsters?

[@sugs0377]

I love Fallen Order but ; the load times are a pisstake. Sometimes I fall through the map or things render really slow. The Kashyk level has a lot of immersion-breaking things like no ambient sound after your defeat an AT-AT and the weird-looking Wookies. The distance in which you can lock on is so small. You can't lock on to a Stormtrooper who is the only target on the screen, because he is too far away. I don't really buy the relationship between any of the characters. They seem all buddy buddy but no time is set to develop their relationship. I played Lethal Alliance back in the day, so I really hated BD-1. The relationship between Cal and BD-1 is so random also. He makes some noises and you are meant to believe these guys are best buds. Overall Great gameplay (which can be improved upon with more polish and powerful hardware) Graphics on consoles looks like mud, definitely need to get it on PC. Somehow the pilot looks more realistic than Cal if that makes sense. Great traversal Alright story (Cal is cool, but was not really relatable to me, maybe they can fix that) This game is definitely Prince of Persia reincarnated and I'm so happy that its Star Wars that replicated its gameplay.