Frame Trap - Episode 46 "Fresh Cut"

On the very first Frame Trap of 2018, Ben, Blood, and Kyle tear into PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, Hollow Knight, SteamWorld Dig 2, Accounting+, Pokemon Ultra Moon, and others. They also question how resistant the game industry is to new methods of play.
TIMESTAMPS
PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - 19:30
Accounting+ - 39:35
SteamWorld Dig 1 and 2 - 48:06
Hollow Knight - 01:02:33
Caught in a Frame Trap - Video Game Movies - 01:18:49
Gorogoa - 01:32:37
Pokemon Ultra Moon - 01:43:38
Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 01:59:53
Listening to the game soundtracks of 2017 - 02:11:37
HOTTAKE: Is the gaming public generally resistant to new technology? - 02:24:22
Emails - 02:51:38
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[@adityariyer6794]

Ben, you’re a great host, you’ve improved a lot since the GT days, so don’t be too hard on yourself!

[@ShowlidSnake]

Blood's opinion on NieR Automata's Soundtrack made me smile so hard. Now I have the biggest urge to listen to that soundtrack again!

[@HamJams]

Can I just say Kyle makes breaking out of the Frame Trap the best every time he does it.

[@umildisplays8050]

FRAME TRAP = best...podcast... ever

[@MrSpinaki]

I can't wait for Hollow Knight on Nintendo Switch!

[@jscott0126]

YAAAAAASSSSSS

[@artvandelay7940]

Mr.Spinaki so have you played yet ?

[@TheRainySky]

the hollow knight love was so good for my soul

[@brogantrull]

Haha it got me to add it to my buy list

[@mileswilliams4807]

@@brogantrull Did you ever buy and play it?

[@wingatakus7596]

Its Kyle's Fiduciary Duty to play through Persona 5

[@wingatakus7596]

Mainly a joke lol cool name btw. cuz its up for game of the year ? If he finished it he might give it a good push for Game of The Year who knows

[@TheAbram099]

Playing trough Hollow Knight right now myself, I'm so impressed by it. You can just feel the care put into it.

[@RationallyParanoid]

Thank you so much for your thoughts on Hollow Knight. One of my friends worked on this game, and I am so proud and happy that a small team from Adelaide has made a game that you've enjoyed!

[@quagthias]

Even in his dreams, Kyle is obsessed with bathrooms.

[@UmJammerSully]

My only problem with Frame Trap is it is SO SHORT! I think you can pump it up to 5 hours at least, come on guys.

[@FreeDoM_nl]

The Blood lore is pretty interesting :) Blood is cool dude.

[@Frumlock]

That beam must have ripped a portal into Universe 6

[@Wiyn27]

I'm with Ben, breaking out of the Frame Trap this week was one of the greats. You know it's serious when Kyle kneels on top of a chair (see GT's Sony E3 2015 reactions). 😁

[@kephalai]

I've said this before but I wish there was more of podcasts like the first 19 minutes of this where they're just catching up. It might sound freaky but you guys feel like my friends and hearing you talk about your lives is great.. Gundam streams fills the same void but they happen so rarely (next one when?! T_T)

[@TheMastermind729]

Damn you're lonely.

[@alexanderchilton911]

kephalai Agreed.

[@thesvc2006]

THREAT ELIMINATED legit made me spit out my coffee

[@seanoceallachain]

You have Bloodworth on....he completed Dark Soul 3 ....but never got to hear him discuss or talk about his feelings on the game yet :( Was waiting for a Frame Trap with him for it to happen :(

[@dmtgallardo]

Same here, when he got back i got super excited about it but he just talked about how bad Gran Turismo was :(

[@Largentina.]

Souls fans, man. Jesus Christ

[@seanoceallachain]

It's not that, but they are talking about games they played. He spent a good 60 or 70 hours playing it, so you'd think he'd have something to say about it. But yes, I also love Souls.....get on that hype train if you're not...else git gud :P

[@Largentina.]

Sean Ó Ceallachain Ah, yes. Of course. The only reason someone could have for not liking Souls is because they're not good enough, right? Or maybe, just maybe, they're just not a fan of that genre of game? Just a thought. Just so you know, there are harder games than Souls, buddy.

[@XtopherBryson]

Someone got owned by Ludex Gundyr.

[@imasterzx]

one thing ive noticed in easyA podcasts compared to others is that the hosts always ask follow up questions and its like a conversation. other sites will just let the person talk then move on to the next person.

[@demo_sphere]

I LOVE the silence after the "HOTTAKE!", gives me time to calm down after the shock hahaha

[@Pianotouchkeys]

Thank you for the informative description of "what is"Hollow Knight. I had the game for a while now, but never installed it. Gonna play as soon as it's done downloa...

[@MyxeQ]

100% Made my day by having Nightcore Chemical Plant play during the Art Montage.

[@sebastianvonp1467]

I am so glad that Hollow Knight got some spotlight from all three of you guys! Little things I really appreciated were: the sounds and songs characters made, the music in the areas (city of tears was incredible), the lore and the many secret areas! If I had one thing to critic then it would be some of the bosses(for example:Nosk had such a great introduction but had such a weak moveset) and the implementation of the free DLCs(fighting a boss 5 times with slight moveset variations didn`t feel right). But nevertheless Team Cherry really made a living and breathing world were I spent 40hours in and I enjoyed every minute of it! Kudos

[@CatastropheX0]

That Sonic jam was pretty good. I was feeling it.

[@dn12345]

I really enjoyed the Hottake talk. It was very pleasant to hear that we all struggle with boredom with a lot of things because at the end of the day, we're just human and we adapt to things incredibly quickly.

[@droppedelbow]

I've said this before, but this underlined the fact, Ben and Kyle together are always such good value. Each of the allies has something that makes them interesting, entertaining and enjoyable to spend time with, but there's something special about a Kyle-O Ben appearance.

[@KerstinMamma]

That break out of the frame trap was my favourite ever XD Blood and Kyle can commit!

[@joshuawiljanen3403]

In my opinion, you didn't give Ian too much trust. I'd put The Talos Principle on my best of the decade list. Unique and challenging but not frustrating puzzles, incredible story, wonderful music, and tons of 'holy shit' moments. Basically a perfect video game.

[@vanhellington2464]

"You know what's really good though? -wha-HOTAKE! *pauses show* calmy mutters "I need to listen to that again"

[@TheSeraphus]

"Moira, pick up the damn gun!" - Ian Hinck. Probably paraphrasing but some Ian says whenever Revelations 2 is brought up ever.

[@SageSimulant]

This has been constantly popping up on my feed for fucking years. So I guess I'll relisten to it.

[@DerUserX]

1:27:15 look how smug Blood is taking a sip of his Coke.

[@Bman54X]

I have such the opposite sentiment towards rewatching movies. I love rewatching. Granted, I like to give time between repeat viewings (preferably a year or 2, at least), but there's always so many I'd like to rewatch, and I enjoy them just as much as the first time.

[@thesvc2006]

BEN! you are on FIRE this podcast haha. "I used to stare out the window and the leaves would change color." lmao

[@amichaelson10]

Kyle "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?" "y'know what I mean?"

[@mattlandry]

From the title pic I am so happy to hear some good things about hollow knight!! That's one of my top games of The year!!

[@SmackDownadam]

Good podcast and great guests!

[@GOOBENsticks]

Yakuza 0 songs are pretty good, especially Kuze's theme and the western ending song. A thing about choosing best soundtracks for me is that it can be difficult to choose ones from games you have played and games you haven't. Like, the songs are usually paired with a scene that best fits it, and if listened to alone without the context, it won't have as much of a connection despite it still being a good song.

[@blakejohnson3965]

Hollow night is a truly charming experience with fantastic game play, and stunning locales* dripping with atmosphere and deft artistry on every frame. Few games have instilled such a sense of wonder and mystery within me so quickly and powerfully. For me It's right up there with Ori and the Blind Forest, Metroid Prime, and Symphony of the night.

[@brogantrull]

Blake Johnson I think Ori needs more love from the allies. It's my favorite Metroidvania

[@blakejohnson3965]

It's definitely one of mine as well, the only knock i could make would be that it has no bosses. Other than that it's a true masterpiece.

[@FLARE0415]

Saved my workday, I love you guys

[@cptspoofy]

Blood's childhood home segment deserved at least an hour. I was hooked immediately.

[@HGRezende]

My friend had the exact same rant about RE revelations ending. He did go back and got the good ending, but he was very annoyed in how it didn't make any sense going through it at the moment, and he would have never done it if not for looking up that the other ending existed.

[@luckywallace]

OMG! Ben has cats now?!?! These need to feature in their own EZA video as soon as possible. Maybe a new stretch goal for a series featuring them?

[@pallyjaius]

18:00 I enjoyed Bright a lot more than I would've, after I read a reddit post describing it as a movie of a DnD/Shadowrun campaign, in which 2 NPC town guards stumble upon the mcguffin and are being hunted down by an evil aligned party of murder hobos.

[@MaxJahner]

I was playing Far Cry... 4? I think it was 4. I needed to get some carnivorous fish to expand some slot I had and I could not find them. I looked at the water for a minute and then started to leave when I walked past the body of a dude I shot on the way in. Picked it up and tossed it in the water to see if anything would happen. My brother was watching and he said it was a great idea, but he was sure it wouldn't work. Right then the fish showed up and started eatin' the dude. Made me dig the game a lot more. I love that kind of stuff.

[@mervingatchalian8913]

NIER AUTOMATA SOUNDTRACK! nc blood my good sir

[@omegaweaponredux]

the best frametrap break so far.

[@fin9672]

With regard to the VR chat and why there isn't more of a push from sony. I can say, as a person who works in the video game industry. Expertise is a major factor. Its relatively new tech and a lot of us are still getting to grips with how it 1, works best and 2, how to effectively implement it into a pipeline that has for the most part stayed quite similar since 1997. Having studios like Sony SA develop there flagship IP with a VR aspect in tandem would be extremely disruptive. Both them and sony probs said. 'ok next time' and VR is going nowhere for the simple fact that outside of the consumer world its a game changer. It can literally revolutionize the way many people work. science, engineering, health care, the arts are all good examples. Video games is just he tip of what is really going on. expect big things once teething problems are gone. No wires, Screen that is clear glass when off, gloves for actual dexterity, switch to AR mode on the fly to name a few.

[@Skarlet_Sun]

The Pokémon game I've always dreamed of is one where it is the same basic formula of red or blue except you control the Pokémon directly, with the 4 face buttons of the controller being your 4 Pokémon moves. Your Pokémon performance would depend directly upon your own skill, and if a Pokémon is super effective against you it could work as it always does with damage multipliers. And if you want to escape you can try running a certain distance away from the wild Pokémon. THIS IS GOLD POKEMON COMPANY, DO THIS PLEASE

[@Oscarvdam]

About hollow knight I'm still waiting for the switch release.

[@MagicSpartan1992]

Oscar van Dam yeah that's pretty much me too. I know I'm totally going to enjoy it more on the go.

[@TheMastermind729]

I want an xbox release.

[@drifter6870]

Same here. When they drop that sucker on switch their sales are going to go threw the roof.

[@MagicSpartan1992]

I would love a release date for the Switch version! I'm really looking forward to it.

[@The_RedVIII]

I wanted to wait, but I could not anymore. So I started it on PC like 2 months ago. Loved it. It's supposed to be released early this year on Switch though.

[@UziSuicide666]

Great opening conversation.

[@fastmovingvolcanomatter]

1:32:06 This will now be my thought whenever something hype gets announced.

[@neojd]

“They didn’t have to do that” - Me with most details in GTA V.

[@iaintabloodysquid1497]

Good job with Hollow Knight Kyle, you did something good for once.

[@TinyDancerX99]

Snake is 40-50ish in MGS4. His aging was accelerated, Kyle.

[@TheOhrenberger]

best exit from the demon realm yet!

[@jbluzb]

great podcast ben

[@edsortiz1530]

Jesus Ben! Take it easy.. you almost killed Kyle with that Hotake

[@YMODiabolik]

Octopath Traveler demo has the secret best soundtrack of the year.

[@ShowlidSnake]

Totally agree with Ben on the Resident Evil Revelations 2 endings thing. All the people I know including myself got the bad ending on the first time. And got super confused with how the story ended... But you don't have to play the entirety of episode 3 and 4 again to get the good ending. Just play the first half of episode 3, and then after the boss fight where you make the decision, go back to main menu, then go straight to the second half of episode 4, you'll unlock the good ending when you reach the end.

[@dmtgallardo]

"Metroidvanias" can also be categorized or "tagged" as : Non Linear Action/Adventure Platformer. I've seen lists of such games online even.

[@MisterShine7]

For Hollow Knight: I don't even LIKE metroidvanias. SOTN? Super Metroid? Don't care! But hollow knight... the art, the combat, the exploration, the moves, the lore, the CHARACTERS.... Damn, so so good. Thanks Ben for your Don't Skip, I only kept it on my radar because you recommended it.

[@Velrikk]

It still hurts when Kyle says that he turned Nier Automata music off... but I guess I understand why he did it now

[@frickthefuckoff]

Wait, why did he?

[@mileswilliams4807]

I've been wanting to play Hollow Knight since I saw it. I got the platinum for Salt and Sanctuary a while back. I feel in love with that game.

[@mattcurrin493]

Hope Bosman has love for the state of North Carolina, beautiful place with some swell people XD

[@puddmuddle]

My favorite "They didn't have to do this" moment was in Pokemon BW2. I don't know exactly what triggered it (I think it had something to do with my trainer card's color rank), but at some point the nurses in the Pokemon Center recognized me and started referring to me by my name. The changed dialogue even shortened the amount of times I had to mash A to trigger the heal.

[@TheMastermind729]

Been waiting for Blood's PUBG thoughts.

[@scorpioedc7979]

About the HotTaKe, to me the core of video game is the software not the hardware. Although the performance of the software does depend on the power of the hardware like some video game softwares relying on powerful hardware to run, there is also an amazing game software like Breath of the Wild which is able to run on a relative low power hardware. Personally, I am more interested in the improvement of software over hardware like the behavior of the enemies in Breath of the Wild for example - if an enemy got its weapon knocked off, it would look around for another weapon or pick up a rock or a nearby powder keg etc, or the enemy reaction towards sound, or showing curioristy when it saw something suspicious. In other words, I prefer to see more complex AI technology, physics (which allows something like following a message in a bottle flowing along a river in BOTW), chemistry or biology game engine improvement over something like VR, 3D or hologram. Indeed, software does depend on the computing power of the hardware but that is speed and memory not VR, 3D or hologram - video game hardware development should just focus on how to further increase the speed and reduce the heat, and put in more memories but cut the cost.

[@Largentina.]

Scorpio Edc This is my favorite KZbin comment ever. I agree with this a thousand percent and I've had those thoughts for years but I never knew how to properly articulate it. I'm playing through BotW and its physics engine, deep systems and ai scripts are incredible! This might be my favorite videogame ever.

[@DarkEggplant]

38:48 synchronised nods

[@WallyBobbywang]

Yo! My guy! That cereal box! I'm dying!

[@DXAdamJensen]

Ben, how in the world did you go 13 minutes without mentioning Persona 5 on the game soundtrack segment?!

[@TheVictorVieira]

great episode! you're a really good host Ben,don't worry so much. And god bless Blood for going all in on the 2017 soundtracks.This year had some great tracks,and i also hope Blood listens to the Gravity rush 2 and Danganronpa V3 soundtracks,there's some good shit there that is being massively overlooked by everyone and it's making me sad.

[@rembowski]

Ben, for the timestamps, write the order of everything and then use the Stopwatch on your phone, usually there's a LAP option for runners, where you just tap the button and it marks the timestamp and it keeps the stopwatch going, I think this will solve the issue of having to write down the time stamps.

[@alonsojett]

Re: The Talos Principle, you people were right to trust Ian. That game is absolutely fantastic.

[@Highwind452]

Is it? I was thinking of giving it a go while the Jan sale is on psn. Is it kinda like The Witness?

[@closedmouth]

not as stylistically beautiful as the witness, but still excellent as a first-person puzzle game

[@sashazyryanov]

Not exactly. In The Witness you learn languages to solve puzzles. In The Talos Principle you solving the puzzles with obvious tools, but sometimes in very creative ways.

[@Highwind452]

Alexander Zyryanov Ok that sounds good. Talos is cheaper so I'll try that but hopefully play both eventually.

[@ekitaiacidsan1602]

Would love to hear Bloods opinion of Persona 5 Soundtrack! Great podcast!!!!!

[@TheKing129mewie]

Giant Bomb does a lot of VR coverage

[@RooboliusBrandybuck]

Guys, guys, guys... Most of your VR conversation has already been outdated by a headset that has recently been revealed.. It's called Magic Leap it's had billions (yes, plural) of investment from massive companies such as Goolge and Allibaba. It's like Microsoft's Hololens but, what makes it different, is that it replicates the lightwave spectrum the human eye uses to identify physical objects in a physical space to trick your brain into thinking the the projected digital object is physically there. It's going on sale this year and, while not likely the watershed moment for VR (it doesn't look very cool and is certainly going to be expensive/niche), is certainly the next big step. Ben said he doesn't see VR overtaking physical television until the picture quality is better. I see it taking over when a virtual television is a small side feature of a device with a near unlimited set of use cases. (Early camera phones essentially killed the mainstream point and shoot well before the picture quality was anything above substandard.) It is also almost entirely wireless and it doesn't require you to shut yourself off from the outside world. Anyways, here's a link to Rolling Stone's article they published on the headset. www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-introducing-magic-leaps-mixed-reality-goggles-w514479 I hope you guys check it out! tl;dr: The "VR device" of the future has already been announced and is shipping this year. It's a mixed reality headset that essentially hacks your brain into thinking digital objects are present. It fixes many of the problems, the guys were contemplating, with VR.

[@Parenegade]

I would pay 5 dollars a month for Kyle to have a weekly show where he plays and discusses multiplayer games.

[@AaronPepper1]

Ruthless efficiency

[@JCmanolon]

2 or 3 Frametraps ago you would talk about skyrim VR. did that happened already? Love from Brazil

[@yodal_]

I've gotten all the Korrok seeds and plan on doing it again at least once, if not twice. Do I have a problem?

[@xenobladefan7440]

Hacker Kyle was so good

[@EvSolo]

Can’t wait for Hollow Knight on Switch

[@doma3554]

Hi Ben. For recording times, what do you think about using an online split timer? For example this one? www.timeme.com/split-lap-timer.htm It's just an example, though not necessarily the best choice.

[@thechocolatefactory]

I've had the same dream where I'm in my bathroom in the house I grew up in... and the lights won't turn on. not sure what that means

[@Gricuit]

Revelations 2 on Switch has very long loading time. I got my memory card out of the console and installed it directly to the Switch internal memory and the loading was faster and less annoying, but still a little bit of pain.

[@Bman54X]

The only reason I know that Dungeon Siege movie exists is because it stars Jason Statham

[@Meowdeerbleat]

THE REEEEEEEEADS

[@persianprince12]

Ben, just make note of the time and then do the hottake and then after you catch them off guard you write down the time stamp down.

[@sublime90]

kyle bosman got a haircut

[@blake112x]

The Law Mower Man figured out VR - I don't see why we cannot figure it out Kappa ;)

[@notjack749]

When a game is an FPS, it's self-explanatory. Metroidvania is a game element that might not be obvious. It's like saying "this FPS has a lot of bosses" or "this FPS is very movement-focused". Then there's "this platformer is a metroidvania" or "this FPS has metroidvania elements".

[@joshray3855]

On Pokemon, I think you guys are right. Between feeding beans, and cleaning, and the irritatingly intrusive story, I burned out by the end of the second island. If they were straight up like, "we're going back to basics on the raising of Pokemon, and going back to a more basic story so we can focus on making a cool world with interesting interactions," I would be elated. Granted, I haven't played any since Gold and Silver, but honestly, I thought Blue and Gold were so much better than Ultra Moon.

[@HadesWTF]

Oh shit, it's Byle Kossman.

[@MasterAlucardGV]

Frieza and Frost are 2 different person of the same race..i think?

[@niklashanninen]

On my second playthrough of Persona 5 now, and I love that game. But man does Ryuji say shit or ass a lot... All jokes aside, kinda agree with the whole "second playthrough" thing from the mail... Sometimes just knowing makes me not wanna play a second time. The Fade from DA: Origins comes to mind, for me. On the other hand, I find myself multitasking even more if I play a second, or third time. Depends on the genres too, and I think time is a factor too... how long since you last played it etc.

[@jafar257]

Why they wont talk about Xenoblade Chronicles 2? I was really looking forward their thought on the game.

[@Xristophero]

Joly Ben already gave an extensive preview in a prior frame trap. It appears as though they didn't dig it as much as I did, though. I personally think it's far better than Persona 5, but what can ya do?!!

[@redxix88]

I know... It's sad they don't seem to care about it. I love it, despite all the little flaws.

[@jafar257]

redxix88 I really loved Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Especially the combat, it was the most fun and satisfying combat in recent memory.

[@Largentina.]

Joly Really? Whats the combat like? I just got a Switch and am dying to expand my library. Super excited for Bayo 1&2 next month!

[@jafar257]

Have you played original Xenoblade Chronicles? XC2's combat is much more improved version of that combat. What I personally like about XC2's combat is how very satisfying pull those Blade combo and great visual feed back once you do. It make the combat fun and addicting.

[@Xristophero]

I have faith in Blood to challenge Persona 5's candidacy for GOTY!

[@bobbymaycry9748]

Can't bring myself to even give Hollow Knight a chance, the last proper Metroidvania I played was the demo of Bloodstained and I'm really hyped for its release, but don't want to get fatigued in the genre before it's release. Perhaps after BS has come and gone, I may give HK a chance but right now I feel it'll hold me off on a game I'm very excited for.

[@user-kg2ql5sh8u]

In regards to next-gen VR, particularly with Sony, the most plausible thing I would say is to not do anything. Think of it like: new gen, old peripherals. Improvements for the camera, the move or the headset should be sold separately and optionally, so that it never feels like a huge investment piecewise.

[@falagarius]

I am sick. I am lying in bed. I am getting a 3h ultra cozy episode. I am pleased. I live 5 walking minutes from my childhood home while my dad and my brother all live hours away. Feels weird man.