Eating (Cultivated) Chicken After 17 Years Vegan… Here's Why | Dr. Uma Valeti x Rich Roll Podcast

Dr. Uma Valeti, a cardiologist turned cultivated meat pioneer, is the founder and CEO of UPSIDE Foods. We discuss the science of growing real meat from cells, its potential to revolutionize our food system, and the challenges ahead. I even taste-test their cultivated chicken as a 17-year vegan. READ MORE👉🏾 bit.ly/richroll843
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:40 The beginning of the conversation
00:10:44 Dr. Valeti's mission
00:13:20 Light bulb moment
00:17:22 Taking the risk
00:19:10 Starting the company
00:23:07 Proof of concept
00:24:28 The ethical mission
00:26:06 The journey and resilience
00:28:44 Hope for the future
00:31:55 Overcoming challenges
00:33:44 Tissue and Suspension Products
00:34:04 Defining cultivated meat
00:34:15 Cultivated Meat
00:35:13 Transparency in the Industry
00:37:33 Chapters of the Cultivated Meat Journey
00:40:18 Advancements in Medicine and Food
00:40:57 Ad Break
00:45:54 Tasting the Product
00:49:39 Future of Cultivated Meat
00:50:00 Science behind product development
00:50:53 Expansion of product line
00:53:09 Growth and competition in the industry
00:53:24 Transition to Upside Foods
00:54:24 Market expansion and future plans
00:55:33 Path to scalability and price parity
00:57:37 Investment and public-private partnerships
00:59:48 Collaboration and talent building
01:02:56 Challenges and cultural change
01:07:31 Ad Break
01:09:14 Consumer acceptance and transparency
01:14:38 Ethical and sustainable choice
01:15:29 The impact of current meat production
01:17:00 Advantages of cultivated meat
01:19:18 Transitioning to cultivated meat
01:20:49 Regenerative agriculture and cultivated meat
01:32:23 Energy considerations and sustainability
01:34:21 Health and safety of cultivated meat
01:38:17 Industry cooperation and incumbents' support
01:40:59 The existential question
01:43:07 Challenges in the plant-based industry
01:48:50 The need for a level playing field
01:52:07 The industry's infancy and challenges
01:57:51 Entrepreneurship in pioneering fields
02:01:34 Future vision for cultivated meat
02:04:07 50 years from now
02:05:02 Optimism in the industry
02:05:39 The role of pessimism
02:06:33 Message of hope
02:08:27 Supporting the industry
02:11:00 Challenges and transparency
02:11:23 end
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[@bellaz8543]

To everyone saying they would never eat cultivated meat, that is great for you. Personally, I wouldn't either but this is not about us then, this is about all those other people that can't seem to give it up. This will prevent suffering of animals so I totally support it then even if I won't eat it.

[@schmi3gal]

@@bellaz8543 cultivated meat is literally cancer

[@funUrth4all]

Well said.

[@MattAngiono]

This is the correct VEGAN way of looking at this. As much as I'd like us to be vegan because of compassion, that clearly isn't the way we're going

[@dorothyjabaley1666]

Just buy regenerative

[@MattAngiono]

@@dorothyjabaley1666 regenerative says nothing about the treatment of animals. It has nothing to do with ethics outside of the environment

[@vegangames3468]

Eating cultivated meat is a billion times better than violating the life of an animal.

[@JakeJacobMusic]

Better for the animal, and that's a good thing, but eating this Frankenfood garbage is not gonna be good for you. Cancer anyone!

[@rogerc23]

Define better.

[@shiv_ring]

@@rogerc23 better as in "not violating the life of an animal"........

[@JakeJacobMusic]

@@rogerc23 They mean it's 'better' for giving you a good dose of cancer.

[@veganrican606]

​@@JakeJacobMusicMeat already does that.

[@Berretotube]

Rich - I don't eat meat, and this was absolutely awesome! I've been following Uma and Upside Foods for a few years now, and am sooooooo excited by what they're doing. If it means that less (or no) animals are confined, abused, slaughtered and consumed, I'm right behind it - there's no way that the entire planet is going to go plant-based, so we have to find another way to reduce suffering to animals, and destruction of the planet. 'Brewing' meat in what looks like a craft brewery is completely AOK with me - in fact, I love fermented foods, so it's wonderful. I get that there will be naysayers - this is a fundamental change in the way that humans interact with the world. The number 1 goals are to reduce suffering, and reduce planetary destruction. First, do no harm - then, do good 💖

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

See: Nature

[@mandamarble]

I’m vegan and 100% in support of cultivated meat for those that will never choose a plant based diet. I also think this product will help raise awareness overall of the dark side of the meat industry and will ultimately lead to some people switching to a plant based diet.

[@tinacatalina1244]

You're so brave Rich. It's been about 35 years since I've eaten chicken. Can't stand the smell of cooking flesh now.

[@TruthSeeker0877]

I’ve been a vegan for 23 years and I do have a quandary. I wouldn’t have done it, honestly

[@xlander-jp1rd]

@@TruthSeeker0877 please explain.

[@peterkempf5422]

Good on ya Dr.Valeti. I’m a proud vegan of 9 years and the meat is not my cup of tea as over the years I’ve become accustomed to eating a whole food plant based diet and no longer have an interest in consuming animal products. Having said that, if this industry comes to fruition, what a game changer for all of the animals that needlessly suffer not to mention the forests that are being destroyed for grazing, the seas that are being raked or the poison that are introduced to our water ways every day. Keep up the good fight.

[@Berretotube]

❤❤❤

[@jokemijn]

I'd easily be willing to pay 25 euro for a kg of cultivated chicken - and even more in the initial stage to get a hand on a piece to try! I'd also love to be able to invest in UPSIDE foods, this company gives me hope and I want to help it grow.

[@chrismyers46]

The good doctor is a modern day hero. Him and his team are saving billions of lives...both human and animal. I am Canadian and I would happily pay $30/pound for cultivated chicken for the omnivores in my family. Looking forward to seeing the product on grocery store shelves. It is embarassing that serveral states have banned this product.

[@kathleendubois7128]

👍 👏

[@Berretotube]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@mamaisalwaysright2935]

You are so far ahead of the curve, Rich. Thanks for hosting this important guest.

[@Berretotube]

❤❤❤

[@lisablanchard8915]

I think Dr.Valeti is doing is remarkable work...but being a vegetarian for many years and now a Vegan for 8 years ..I do not miss meat and dairy products and feel no need to introduce these things back in my diet...It is not just better for my health(I speak for myself, every body is different)but also is helping the planet and animal kingdom...My small big contribution

[@MattAngiono]

Agree, but what about those who won't change? This will save animals by the billions or even trillions

[@donaarosaa]

He is not producing this cultivated meat for vegans but for all of those who says they need “animal protein” to live

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

Clean Meat isn't for vegetarians and certainly not for Vegans yet for the other 95% of the worlds population that are addicted to animals flesh. Meat from slaughtered animals is NOT sustainable yet my only concern is the non human animals. The nonhuman animals deserve NOT to only exist for humans selfishness in consuming their corpse flesh.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

​@@MattAngionothere is a typo in your comment.... This WILL save animals.. It helps end their misery, pain and suffering for those in factory farms and CAFOs too.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

​@@MattAngionoYou have a typo. This WILL save animals lives in the billions ..... Yet also animals forced to endure misery, pain, suffering with factory farms and CAFOs. But herd animals shipped off and forced to suffer that too.

[@eddiebaby22]

100% the future. Always thought this. This is ethical, sustainability. Why aren't the big companies all behind this now!

[@xingyuyaomt-bc6592]

Unfortunately, not sustainable. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGHddJlqjtqjaZY

[@schmi3gal]

@@eddiebaby22 cultivated meat is literally CANCER

[@MattAngiono]

Better to not have big companies, in many ways... I'd rather see lots of small companies grow and take over

[@Berretotube]

100%!!!

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

​​@@MattAngionothere ARE Big Companies now invested too. There WILL be more. Greed. Dr. Uma Valeti does mention Cargill and Tyson ARE invested in Cultivated Meat aka Clean Meats now.

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

I’ll just stick with whole plants, but to each their own I guess.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

Clean Meat is NOT for the small minority of plant based, vegans, vegetarians YEY for the other 95% of the worlds population who are flesh eaters who are addicted to animals burned corpse MEAT.....Carnist.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

It's NOT about those on plant based diets or Vegans & Vegetarians YET about those Flesh Eaters that the majority AND the animals that THEY cause to be murdered & slaughtered.

[@judyjohnston289]

I’m a 77 year old who has been strictly plant based for six years. I wouldn’t even try this product but it might help save the planet and the animals. How many animals are the cells harvested from and how often? How does it affect the animals? How does this square spiritually? Thanks for the information.

[@puddlesplasher7]

Often you don't harvest cells from any creatures in any cell based things... It's like bread starter... You just have the cells that you keep splitting and such and feeding and only grow a portion into things... You never need to get cells from any creature

[@jokemijn]

What I've read is that they're still working with the original cells they harvested 7 years ago. And only a tiny biopsy is needed to harvest these cells, the animal continues to live.

[@judyjohnston289]

Thanks for the clarification. When I said spiritually I guess I really meant ethically.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

​@@judyjohnston289there is already cultivate chicken meat by GOOD Meat. Google research it. Josh Tetrick used only the chickens feather for the cells. With cow meat from cells there was a huge issue with the bovine fetal serum used yet it's been surpassed now too. Otherwise "beef" Clean Meat would not be ethical at all.

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

​@@judyjohnston289it's certainly going to help environments yet there's so many factors regarding BIG Animal Ag, Big Oil, Chemical pollution, water pollution that MUST be honestly addressed. The planet Earth will always exist yet with Climate Change human animals & nonhuman animals may not. Without plants lots of wildlife can't exist. Without water neither plants or animals can exist. But the planet will remain and prosper without human animals..

[@stephaniehendricks225]

I'm 1000% pro cultivated meat. Bio identical meat that doesn't take the $, resources, or cruelty? The cons are that many farmers would lose income. That is a huge issue that would need to be addressed, but it's possible to overcome.

[@MattAngiono]

Yeah, capitalism is a psychotic system and that's a whole different concern, equally as important, if not more. The market based system is not helping us at all... Even the billionaires will suffer when this system has completely ravaged everything in the pursuit of more profit. It's not good for anyone mental health either. We could be doing so much better as a species if we weren't all coerced into competing with each other ALL THE TIME.

[@GarudaLegends]

It is not remotely close to meat, is super expensive, and a waste of resources. Just say you dont know what you are talking about.

[@stephaniehendricks225]

​@GarudaLegends let me guess. You've never been to the midwest, to a cattle yard, seen millions of acres of corn grown exclusively to feed cows, millions of gallons of water to irrigate and for those same cows to drink, millions of lbs of excrement, billions of tax $ subsidizing all of above so it's affordable for the avg consumer, otherwise you wouldn't be able to afford it. And this isba fractionnof the resources and waste...

[@MattAngiono]

@@GarudaLegends the resource argument is pretty lame, coming from someone who promotes eating meat lol

[@GarudaLegends]

@@stephaniehendricks225 Are you vegan? I am a Trucker. Corn is grown for humans, not cows. Your silly logic is to destroy land land to make this energy-intensive cancer slug in factories, that most humans on earth won't buy? It is literally a massive waste of resources. Why do you think it is so expensive? You dont know anything about agriculture nor how this cancer is even grown or made. Do you even know the current price of this cancer slug?

[@straightedgeveganbel2453]

How was your stomach after this? Digestion ect.

[@time4sanity]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all those in animal agriculture be transitioned to production facilities....and IF we must subsidize, do it there! The only reason it's tough to achieve "competitive pricing" is because the government heavily subsidizes the meat and dairy industries! Drop those subsidies and let the "market" dictate what meats REALLY cost!

[@MattAngiono]

Market based systems are the real problem. Not the government. A market based system will always have perverse incentives because profit is the most important thing. We need to get away from market based economics, not promote it

[@Pandaefication]

It's incorrect to say that it removes the ethical dilemma. Here's a thought experiment on what I often find not being talked about when cultured meat is brought up: Super powerful aliens come up to you and say, we think you taste good but don't want to kill you to get a taste. Can we take a sample of your muscle tissue so it can replicated? To be clear, we don't need to eat you to survive or be healthy, we just are doing it for taste pleasure. My personal reaction would be to say no thank you. I'm sure some people would allow them to. The dilemma that lies with animals is that we cannot get their consent to do this. And what is the animal really getting in return for us using their body to make a profit? There will still be some number of animals kept in some kind of captivity to keep collecting fresh cells because of the hayflick limit. And I'm not sure where the science is on making the muscle biopsies pluripotet and using telomerase to fed off senescense or possibly reverse it in the cell line. Would I want factory farming to be replaced by cultured meat, yes but, don't make it so simple that all ethical dilemmas are done with. Would it be great for someone that wants to transition from conventional meat or someone that feels like they cannot give up meat, yeah but, I hope it would just be a stepping stone to not relying on animals to that extent forever.

[@mamaisalwaysright2935]

When cultivated meat is available at the grocery store, I think it will be found to be less processed than protein powder and deli meat.

[@GarudaLegends]

Lab meat literally will be the most processed thing in the store. Even pet food will be less processed.

[@tralasong]

I'm absolutely in. I'm a meat eater with a guilty conscious about it. I try to make the best choices but having been moving toward plant based. This is a fantastic option. Imagine the possibilities!

[@kimberlysclassroom]

I prefer whole plants, but am all for solutions that helps prevent animal suffering. ❤ This is a great option for people that find it difficult to give up meat.

[@shannonmcglumphy5967]

It’s overall a good thing: better for the biosphere, removes the animal cruelty, and they will be able do “damage control” with the meat itself (modify the fatty acid profile, etc). I might be willing to eat it at big family dinners like Christmas, but not regularly. Hopefully the price will drop and people who are unwilling to give up meat will consider it.

[@MattAngiono]

That's the correct stance in my opinion

[@melissamorello1700]

I here that this new product doesn’t have the risk of salmonella or E. coli, my question is what is the shelve life? If I buy it from the store, how long do I have to cook it before it goes bad? And if I cook it, how long do I have to consume it before it goes bad?

[@Mhadyourfriend]

I'd like to see a well done study about the effect of what is called cultivated meat on the human health !

[@romanstar7550]

i predict nothing will ever be better than whole raw plant foods straight from earth just like the animals , whom survive by their instincts and taste buds / sense of sent rather than being brainwashed by books/tv , live on

[@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg]

Hopefully including well done steak (cultivated meat).

[@JakeJacobMusic]

@@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg More cancers

[@Mhadyourfriend]

@@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg 😂😂

[@MattAngiono]

That will certainly be important! Though the chances of it not being corrupted by some interested party within the current economy and state of science are slim. As it is, most research findings are totally false

[@jessica9156]

Most of our food is bioengineered these days. A good portion is already created by factories… yet we have no problem with those things… 🙄

[@r.m8146]

I'm a huge proponent of cultivated meat; what a great interview!

[@Berretotube]

❤❤❤same!❤️❤️❤️

[@Kayte...]

The skeptics are looking short term. It'll take several more years before it's affordable but this is what people want who are environmentalists and are concerned with animal welfare but who still want to eat meat. This will be normal in 20 years.

[@GeeBee1261]

The doctor is amazing!

[@veganradiation]

Im loving the honesty and vulnerability shared in this conversation! Im sharing this with my friends who think they cant give up animal products after 17 years of veganism

[@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR]

Friends who think they can't give up animal products after 17 years of veganism?? Your comment does NOT make sense. Maybe you can clarify.

[@ramonaklasen4486]

I do have one question. Are there any papers on how this cultivated meat will affect the microbiome of our gut???

[@AC-yb9ml]

I haven’t eaten meat in 40 years so I’m not the target market but as an ethical vegan I’m 100000% all for this cultivated meat that may end animal suffering.

[@DaniJo2320]

$10-$20 per pound? Nobody who currently eats meat is going to swap at that price. Hopefully someday it's cheaper than factory farm meat.

[@farhanq2945]

I think people who want to support the company (early adopters, mission enthusiasts) would, I might be one of those people when they start shipping direct to consumer

[@GarudaLegends]

You you want cancer to be cheaper than meat?

[@tinacatalina1244]

The reason factory farm meat is cheaper is because it's heavily subsidized in Canada. Would love to see where the market lands without the subsidies.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@tinacatalina1244 You clearly don't know how subsidiaries work. and what is subsidized.

[@tinacatalina1244]

@@GarudaLegends the industry is given public money so it can be unfairly competitive

[@timkeller7254]

Fascinating and illuminating discussion. Keen to see what the future holds for cultivated meat and truly hope politics don’t doom its future. There is certainly room for this product as an option for those who are so inclined. Thanks Uma and Rich for the conversation!

[@stanronn]

It seemed like the doctor forgot to research that Rich is vegan. He seemed quite surprised to it out

[@russellanderson-williams6042]

Rich you are a legend my friend. Not sure how I would have felt about eating chicken after so long, but you handled it so well. Interested to know how you feel about it now after a few weeks.

[@lovebelieveachieve]

Not sure if I missed this, but how are the cell biopsies taken? Is that not also cruel? If you are going to scale this to provide meats globally, how many animals will need to be used?

[@MattAngiono]

Well, it already happened. I'll gladly donate some cells if anyone wants to make a Mattburger

[@MattAngiono]

Seriously though, I don't think that's really an issue any more. Even the plants we eat have cells, so if we are trying to extend the sphere of compassion to that level, we're in for a long haul. What's far more important, currently, is freeing animals from entire lives of horror. A simple pin prick to get a few thousand cells isn't even a concern, and only makes the general public look at vegans as religious fanatics. We have to have some compromise, at least currently, if we want progress for those who are really suffering

[@donaarosaa]

If he has 1 single cell, which he already has from the first ever experience, he can produce billions from it

[@GarudaLegends]

It is cancer. It will replicate itself.

[@Kayte...]

​@@MattAngiono😅

[@amalthealovage]

The real trick is to make it affordable for everyone to eat, including the people who buy their meat from big box stores because it’s the only thing they can afford; rather than pricing it above organic meat and only reaching a small demographic of people, that a.) can actually afford to eat cultivated meat, and b.) care enough to. If it was affordable and accessible to everyone this stuff would fly off the shelves and take over the market easily, as it should.

[@IRSamsara]

Love your stuff Rich. This topic is so important, I sincerely hope you give this interview a new title (because it’s not about you and your diet). Thanks for the great content.

[@Its_me--Boo_Radley]

Lab grown meat would solve so many problems ... I hope it becomes the norm in the future.

[@xingyuyaomt-bc6592]

It actually causes lots of new problems. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGHddJlqjtqjaZY

[@MattAngiono]

​@@xingyuyaomt-bc6592it's not one thing. Farming caused all kinds of problems, especially with animals. There's no perfect way forward. You have to try things and we're already in a different world than we evolved in. Cultivating meat is perfectly fine if we can actually do the science to make it healthy. Problem is that capitalism largely makes that impossible

[@GarudaLegends]

It is not meat. It is cancer and cancer is nkt fit for human consumption.

[@Seanonyoutube]

42:40 moment of truth

[@faddad101]

Legend

[@fionadale8044]

Thank you.

[@seasonedvegan3586]

Could you tell that it was made of animal cells? Would you be able to distinguish it from any chick’n product?

[@MattAngiono]

I doubt it! Those have gotten so good. I don't even think I'd know the difference and question if they aren't even better than the "real" horrific thing

[@Chestnut_tree]

I love Upside CEO,s transparency! This product is good for animals welfare, for environment and for our health! ❤

[@Broderkaka]

I would love to eat cultivated meat and cant wait until its in thr stores here in Sweden. Will buy it in a heart beat even at a premium price! 😊

[@Piedpiper80]

Well done 👏

[@dianeleirer9878]

This is certainly a loaded topic and I’m guessing there will be resistance from different perspectives. I used to be vegetarian and would prefer to continue doing so, but with aging comes physical changes and challenges: joint issues and osteoporosis. I am currently eating fish, but cannot bring myself to eating beef, which appears to facilitate bone metabolism better than fish or chicken. So I like the idea of animals not suffering and this indeed may be the future for this planet for people needing animal protein for medical reasons.

[@cracked229]

I'm not vegan but even I know that NOBODY "needs" animal protein for "medical reasons". Silly comment.

[@LeahBreHappy]

You don't need meat for medical reasons, cows, pigs and chickens do not heal. What you need is celery juice, wild blueberries, cilantro, mango, strawberries, potatoes, etc. as you age you are suffering from major virus taking hold like EBV. There's a video of a lady here on KZbin you can google is "70 yr old vegan women" she's on zero pills because she's been raw vegan 16 years. I'm not raw vegan but I'm 39 yrs old with no health problems and vegan. ❤❤ meat isn't the answer

[@veganrican606]

What medical reason is there that animal protein is needed?

[@dianeleirer9878]

@@veganrican606 Bone metabolism (making new bone) is best supported right now by eating beef protein. Osteoporosis is typically an age-related issue, but not always, and also typically more women experience it than men. Compression fractures due to osteoporosis can be disabling. Personally I take every nutritional supplement found to help with making new bone, but my body still struggles. I might consider eating lab-grown beef, knowing that only 1 animal (hopefully) died.

[@veganrican606]

@@dianeleirer9878 Quinoa, beans, lentils, oats, tofu, tempeh, and chia seeds all promote bone health. Meat is not needed as far as I know.

[@doreenleach3068]

I would eat it,this is soooo Star Trek!! I don’t crave meat but don’t miss it buuut it is an option that I would be comfortable trying and preparing for my meat eater family,❤

[@ivanak7149]

What an amazing man! I can't wait for this to become affordable. I'll be the first one I the queue.

[@HansSprungfeld716]

Very cool, thank you Rich!

[@ramonaklasen4486]

i would switch to cultivated meat in a second. I only eat a small amount and would prefer if I could feel less guilty for eating it. Less is better anyway, since meat is too expensive for most of us anyway. Thank you for all your hard work. This sounds so reasonable.

[@jp7357]

Great podcast, was very surprised that it took to the last hour for Uma to push explicit / hormones / antibiotics …. I would have led the conversation with that.

[@zachbudnick1641]

I’m not sure where I exactly stand with cultivated “lab grown” meat I’d rather stick with what’s already out there like products from morning star farms if I want “meat”. And that’s not often.

[@MattAngiono]

Yeah, i agree. I'll try it, I'm sure, and wouldn't be opposed to having it on occasion, if there wasn't other options. I wonder what the plan is for dairy though, as those animals are still treated even worse

[@setfreemiss]

But...people want the taste of bloody FLESH foods that give them bad Karma, not pretend meat products by Morning Star farms. Personally I can't eat any animal products factory farmed or lab cultivated....GROSS.

[@GarudaLegends]

It is cancer grown in a lab ridden in chemicals.

[@ChaosInFlux]

​@@MattAngionoa ton of people have switched from regular milk to milk that was not produced from animals.

[@MattAngiono]

@@ChaosInFlux yeah, me too. Cheese as well. But I still watch everyone in my house use r@peMilk every day.... Can't understand why oats aren't good enough to color your coffee

[@Jakeassimilate]

I'm so glad Dr. Valeti mentioned how dangerous the "processed = bad" mindset is. Not only will it potentially prevent people from entertaining the idea of cultivated meat, but it's also putting people off other vegan meat alternatives too. People need to let go of this naturalistic fallacy. Natural does not always equal healthy and unnatural (or processed) does not always equal unhealthy.

[@plantgoals4271]

Processed is 100% more detrimental to health, when compared to whole, unadulterated, plant foods. Processed = Detrimental to Heath, all day long, every day. Most brainwashed people don’t understand that they are not even eating food, they are eating chemical laden, “food like” concoctions/products.

[@aarontours]

Rich is LOVING this meat, lol.

[@davidlynch9049]

I see this as a niche category for people concerned about animal welfare. It will never replace the gigantic meat industry, which employs millions nose-to-tail. It's likely to be healthier than the ultra-processed vegan crap being produced now, so maybe the vegans who have only adopted that lifestyle will come back to eating Lab-grown meat. At the very least, that would help their chronic anemia.

[@sz8874]

Some parts of the word people eat dog meat. In Australia they eat kangaroo meat. If they to make cultivated dog meat will you eat it?.

[@CharlieFader]

People who eat dog meat already will probably eat it. Same for kangaroo I guess.

[@MattAngiono]

I'm not going to lie, but even if we achieve this, part of me is still going to "look down" on everyone I know who still eats meat, for not having the will power to stop the animal abuse and exploitation without such things. The fact that "taste is king" gives me a really sad view of our species and our culture, that we'd value our own pleasure so much more than the horrors that are forced upon animals. I don't care about virtue signaling. I don't want to feel like I'm better than anyone else, but I do feel in my gut disgusted by the people around me who support such horrific practices. I do feel let down by "humanity" for not being the compassionate species we suggest with that label. Our self importance is out of control, and really makes me question if we are prepared for what will come next with the almost godlike powers or new technology is offering. We are about to have the ability to edit the genome and create new lifeforms of unimaginable differences to what the planet has ever known. Not to mention the weapons of war we've already created and are seeing used in conflicts that are still escalating. I just don't think human beings, under the current arc of history, are in any way prepared ethically for what we've got coming. I really hope I'm wrong.....

[@davidlynch9049]

Oh, please.🙄

[@MattAngiono]

@@davidlynch9049 please what? Useless comment.....

[@nunyabizz50]

Ummm trying to get the price "down to" the alleged price of "organic chicken" and he then says $10 to $20 per pound? Granted I have not bought chicken for over 3 years but I just looked it up and regular boneless breast averages $2.60/lb and Organic about $4/lb and he says they can make it cheaper than actual chicken. Not sure what stores he shops at for $20/lb chicken but the rest of us don't shop there. For this to be viable it can't exceed about $3'/ lb MAX or its dead in the water.

[@MattAngiono]

What you point to is more the problem of a market based system than it is with the product. Scale eventually would make this far cheaper, just looking at the actual material inputs required. But this also applies to plant based products which are still far overpriced for what it actually takes to make them

[@nunyabizz50]

​@@MattAngionoi buy all kinds of vegan chicken and vegan steaks and burgers for about the same price as its poor animal counterpart. In fact on sale its even cheaper than the real thing.

[@MattAngiono]

@@nunyabizz50 me too.. but they are still overpriced because we are willing to pay what SEEMS reasonable. But if you just think of the resources and actual cost of plant based food versus meat, it's orders of magnitude different. There'd be a lot more vegans in the world if we didn't have a capitalist system where the price is determined by profit more than actual costs associated. The mentality of the owners even of vegan food producers is too maximize profit, meaning they are always going to charge as much as they can get us to pay. That's just the basic psychosis of this system. It doesn't arrive at a rational place, but rather concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands as time progresses. It would collapse if we didn't prop it up in all sorts of ways, subsidies being just one.

[@neva.2764]

Never will I ever.

[@jsavannah123]

So amazing ❤

[@pamelabeatty8408]

Meat the Demand - possible tagline? So interesting

[@newfguy1826]

as a vegan, I have no interest in eating any meat, fake or real

[@potterylady44]

Does it still have cholesterol in it?

[@GarudaLegends]

It will have atleast 50 different chemicals in it from a lab.

[@CharlieFader]

It does have cholesterol, but they can try to lower that, same with SFAs. It’s gonna take some time though for that.

[@potterylady44]

​@@CharlieFaderahhh ok thanks.

[@potterylady44]

​@@GarudaLegendsoh wow...no no

[@potterylady44]

​@@CharlieFaderSFA is short chain fatty acids?

[@sanjokbiswakarma8216]

Amazing

[@christiansanco423]

Why not calling it artificial meat?

[@GillianBerry]

I LOVE Kiki!

[@didkochanell]

Sorry Rich, i would rather not eat meat, than eat this GMO meat/not meat whatever it is. Cool podcast.

[@kendall5926]

It's all for profit not our health. Sick millionaires getting us sicker

[@scotgirl4703]

What about all the "health" implications documented by Dr T Colin Cambell et al. Hopefully you have had a taste and never touch again. WFPB for the win.❤

[@LeahBreHappy]

100%!

[@ceeemm1901]

Totally. I was vegetarian in the 70's through to the 00's when I went vegan.Nearly all people I knew in the 70's who went veg were pretty ignorant of the cruelty/ farming practices and environment problems. They were "no meat" for health reasons. Lab meat carries a lot of those health problems. Campbell, McDougall have already flagged this.

[@donaarosaa]

@@ceeemm1901maybe lab meat made with transgenic ingredients such as soy.. these cultivated meat will be produced from healthy animal cells, so it is supposed to be as healthy as its source (without all the antibiotics the industries use nowadays)

[@davidpesekmuller3883]

@@donaarosaa good point! If they sample some truly free range, grass fed cows off the mountain side and base the meat on those it would be perfect!

[@SenhorMsandiFelipe]

I dont want imagine my life without grass fed beef and goat. Life would be empty.

[@wehz0r]

Next episode sequence.... ""I can't stop eating cultivated chicken!" "I tried alcohol for the first time after soooo many years - tastes so good" "Why are doctor thinks I'm developing type 2 diabetes and the fatty liver" "My wife left me because I smell so bad heart not doing so good" "My diagnosis of heart cancer...." *Dies suddenly from cancer heart disease and a diabetes combined*

[@maxdecleyn]

2 of my comments removed! why?

[@7in1]

How about cultivated human meat

[@gunesanacak9452]

I don tthink companies would be approved to produce it but once cultivated meat is more popular ı think it will be on some kind of a black market this is not science fiction rather a reality

[@MattAngiono]

Lol, shouldn't be any problem with that! In fact, what about cultivating your own cells? You could literally eat your own ass

[@lisablanchard8915]

thats coming

[@CharlieFader]

There’s no need for it. Cannibalism is not in vogue, they prefer non-human animals.

[@ericnelson5602]

cultivated Soylent Green?

[@ceeemm1901]

You've won the cruelty and environment case but try selling me the health aspect.

[@MattAngiono]

These aren't meant for vegans. They are meant for selfish people who don't give two shits about animals. Their health is less of a concern for me than suffering animals

[@GarudaLegends]

It is cancer. Only evil scientists want ppl to eat this garbage for profit.

[@ntwadumela1777]

53:37 Memphis??

[@CoolInOlympia]

I hope it is vegan chicken!!!

[@catherinekasmer9905]

I wouldn’t eat actual meat but the fake meat is ok for an occasional occurrence when out. I’d prefer to be whike food plant based SOS free but restaurants rarely have it.

[@chrismurrell1102]

The messaging is wrong. I get that people have a sense they need meat and this could take care of that. Change tastebuds and get people to get in tune with how they feel with the food they eat and they won’t need the thought of meat much less need to eat it. This continues the paradigm of processed food and that is what is killing us. Cultivated meat is processed. Just eat real whole food. I’d rather see money going to ways to preserve water and farming. Help people understand how to develop sustainable gardens at home

[@MattAngiono]

Literally all food is processed to some extent. Growing is a process. The question is more so about HOW it is processed. A farm is a process. It requires many factors to produce food and the process often has to be modified based on soil, weather, bio region, etc. Using pesticides or fertilizer is part of a process. I don't think anyone wants those things in our food, but they are often required, thanks to the way we've degraded the natural soil. Nothing about the way we eat is natural in the evolutionary sense. Even the vegetables are a far cry from what they were thousands of years ago. The best we can do in our current system is use science to understand what is optimal, or even just sufficient for good health. That may include foods that are processed, as not everything in nature is inherently good. It's a naturalistic fallacy to think otherwise. I certainly prefer the more natural foods out there, personally, for sure, but I don't think that gets us to the optimal place in the end.

[@MattAngiono]

What's really dangerous about processed food in the current paradigm is the economy we use to determine what's produced. It's based on the wrong incentives, namely profit. Because big industry can make more money by getting you addicted to unhealthy foods that are cheap and easy to mass produce, that's what we get. It's taking advantage of human psychology, for example, by adding corn syrup and similar cheap addictive crap. What we really need is to break away from these exploitative market based systems that are incentivized to do the wrong thing

[@MattAngiono]

I think its important to note in this discussion just how negative of an effect capitalism has on this whole process. I truly believe this is far superior to everything coming from tortured animals, but the process of just empirically comparing the products themselves is so drenched in difficulties. All the talk of markets being the vehicle to see what is actually better just shows how flawed this system is. There's many other reasons, that I'll spare the elaboration, but the system itself is psychotic. Harvesting conscious animals is only part of the reason this is so. The market based system, whether we are killing animals or not, is wreaking havoc on the planet and on us. Solving this may make the cruelty towards non human animals go down, but what about the cruelty on human beings as inequality continues to rise and competition becomes even more pronounced? If we truly want to create a cruelty free society, we must both stop the abuse and exploitation of animals, but also let go of the "magic" of market based economics. The inherent need for "growth" or to "scale" when the world is clearly a finite system, requires a very different approach

[@rafaelertel23]

There are no economic systems that do not result in negative externalities. Capitalism, is no different in that regard, but on the other hand Capitalism in hand with a constitutional republic political system has lifted more people out of poverty and has by far been the best economic model in the history of mankind. I am wondering what your suggested alternative to free market economics is?

[@MattAngiono]

@rafaelertel23 capitalism doesn't lift people out of poverty. It creates it. This is an obvious and observable fact. Please stop repeating this talking point. It's a lie created by the very people keeping the vast majority of the world in poverty. Even the most crude socialist economy (which I haven't suggested) would seriously deal with poverty far better, as the wealth would be more evenly distributed. That's obvious. We have more than enough homes for people and produce more food than people can eat. This system MAKES SURE that homes are empty and food gets wasted. The last estimate I saw was that there are 27 empty homes for every homeless person. Is that not an insane system? Saying a system lifts people out of the poverty that it generates and works to uphold and even increase is silly. The whole point of capitalism is to concentrate capital. That's why it is literally in the name. This means that it has to come from somewhere. Poverty is required. It's just the basic necessity when profit and growth are the main drivers of the economy. Any attempt to "distribute" things better just gets labeled as socialist and the fear mongering campaigns kick in to gear. Sound familiar? If you just model the basic game theory of capitalism on a computer, using the most simple profit driven dynamics of a market, the result is always that one person ends up with all the money. ALWAYS! This means the most basic logic of the system is flawed, and it is psychotic for us to continue on this path. We keep having to patch the system, be it through legislation to regulate basic capitalist activities, or literally bailing out the biggest banks to exist in the history of the world, when they go bust. Boom bust is baked into the system... Do you find it odd that generally, the capitalists actually profit when the system busts...? What kind of system rewards people in such insane ways? As to your point about externalities, that is also wrong to a large extent. What is true is that we haven't seen this system in our history, but that doesn't mean it can't exist. Such a system would have feedback as inputs back into the system for any of the negative effects generated by the economy. This means it would actually account for things like pollution and generate a cost for higher polluting activities. It would actively seek healthy people and poor health outcomes would negatively effect Healthcare economics, rather than leading to more profit, as it does now. Certainly, the externalities aren't immediately measurable, as there can be a time lag, but an effective system would be seeking to identify and reduce them. In capitalism, companies are INCENTIVIZED to not only generate externalities, but to hide them. That leads to greater profit. It also means the economy becomes further out of touch with reality and closer to self destruction. Have you even thought about what happens as this process progresses into the future? Have you considered what capitalism will do when resources become TRULY scarce? In other words, how does the system solve the dilemma of necessary growth when it runs into the planetary limits of a finite system....? Or is the assumption that we have to just colonize space before that happens?

[@MattAngiono]

I tried this once already, but it got deleted... @rafaelertel23 capitalism doesn't lift people out of poverty. It creates it. This is an obvious and observable fact. Please stop repeating this talking point. It's a lie created by the very people keeping the vast majority of the world in poverty. Even the most crude socialist economy (which I haven't suggested) would seriously deal with poverty far better, as the wealth would be more evenly distributed. That's obvious. We have more than enough homes for people and produce more food than Pele can eat. This system MAKES SURE that homes are empty and food gets wasted. The last estimate I saw was that there are 27 empty homes for entry homeless person. Is that not an insane system? Saying a system lifts people out of the poverty that it generates and works to uphold and even increase is silly. The whole point of capitalism is to concentrate capital. That's why it is literally in the name. This means that it has to come from somewhere. Poverty is required. It's just the basic necessity when profit and growth are the main drivers of the economy. Any attempt to "distribute" things better just gets labeled as socialist and the fear mongering campaigns kick in to gear. Sound familiar? If you just model the basic game theory of capitalism on a computer, using the most simple profit driven dynamics of a market, the result is always that one person ends up with all the money. ALWAYS! This means the most basic logic of the system is flawed, and it is psychotic for us to continue on this path. We keep having to patch the system, be it through legislation to regulate basic capitalist activities, or literally bailing out the biggest banks to exist in the history of the world, when they go bust. Boom bust is baked into the system... Do you find it odd that generally, the capitalists actually profit when the system busts...? What kind of system rewards people in such insane ways? As to your point about externalities, that is also wrong to a large extent. What is true is that we haven't seen this system in our history, but that doesn't mean it can't exist. Such a system would have feedback as inputs back into the system for any of the negative effects generated by the economy. This means it would actually account for things like pollution and generate a cost for higher polluting activities. It would actively seek healthy people and poor health outcomes would negatively effect Healthcare economics, rather than leading to more profit, as it does now. Certainly, the externalities aren't immediately measurable, as there can be a time lag, but an effective system would be seeking to identify and reduce them. In capitalism, companies are INCENTIVIZED to not only generate externalities, but to hide them. That leads to greater profit. It also means the economy becomes further out of touch with reality and closer to self destruction. Have you even thought about what happens as this process progresses into the future? Have you considered what capitalism will do when resources become TRULY scarce? In other words, how does the system solve the dilemma of necessary growth when it runs into the planetary limits of a a finite system....? Or is the assumption that we have to just colonize space before that happens?

[@MattAngiono]

Capitalism doesn't lift people out of poverty. It creates it. This is an obvious and observable fact. Please stop repeating this talking point. It's a lie created by the very people keeping the vast majority of the world in poverty. Even the most crude socialist economy (which I haven't suggested) would seriously deal with poverty far better, as the wealth would be more evenly distributed. That's obvious. We have more than enough homes for people and produce more food than Pele can eat. This system MAKES SURE that homes are empty and food gets wasted. The last estimate I saw was that there are 27 empty homes for entry homeless person. Is that not an insane system? Saying a system lifts people out of the poverty that it generates and works to uphold and even increase is silly. The whole point of capitalism is to concentrate capital. That's why it is literally in the name. This means that it has to come from somewhere. Poverty is required. It's just the basic necessity when profit and growth are the main drivers of the economy. Any attempt to "distribute" things better just gets labeled as socialist and the fear mongering campaigns kick in to gear. Sound familiar? If you just model the basic game theory of capitalism on a computer, using the most simple profit driven dynamics of a market, the result is always that one person ends up with all the money. ALWAYS! This means the most basic logic of the system is flawed, and it is psychotic for us to continue on this path. We keep having to patch the system, be it through legislation to regulate basic capitalist activities, or literally bailing out the biggest banks to exist in the history of the world, when they go bust. Boom bust is baked into the system... Do you find it odd that generally, the capitalists actually profit when the system busts...? What kind of system rewards people in such insane ways? As to your point about externalities, that is also wrong to a large extent. What is true is that we haven't seen this system in our history, but that doesn't mean it can't exist. Such a system would have feedback as inputs back into the system for any of the negative effects generated by the economy. This means it would actually account for things like pollution and generate a cost for higher polluting activities. It would actively seek healthy people and poor health outcomes would negatively effect Healthcare economics, rather than leading to more profit, as it does now. Certainly, the externalities aren't immediately measurable, as there can be a time lag, but an effective system would be seeking to identify and reduce them. In capitalism, companies are INCENTIVIZED to not only generate externalities, but to hide them. That leads to greater profit. It also means the economy becomes further out of touch with reality and closer to self destruction. Have you even thought about what happens as this process progresses into the future? Have you considered what capitalism will do when resources become TRULY scarce? In other words, how does the system solve the dilemma of necessary growth when it runs into the planetary limits of a a finite system....? Or is the assumption that we have to just colonize space before that happens? @rafaelertel23

[@MattAngiono]

.. @rafaelertel23 capitalism doesn't lift people out of poverty. It creates it. This is an obvious and observable fact. Please stop repeating this talking point. It's a lie created by the very people keeping the vast majority of the world in poverty. Even the most crude socialist economy (which I haven't suggested) would seriously deal with poverty far better, as the wealth would be more evenly distributed. That's obvious. We have more than enough homes for people and produce more food than Pele can eat. This system MAKES SURE that homes are empty and food gets wasted. The last estimate I saw was that there are 27 empty homes for entry homeless person. Is that not an insane system? Saying a system lifts people out of the poverty that it generates and works to uphold and even increase is silly. The whole point of capitalism is to concentrate capital. That's why it is literally in the name. This means that it has to come from somewhere. Poverty is required. It's just the basic necessity when profit and growth are the main drivers of the economy. Any attempt to "distribute" things better just gets labeled as socialist and the fear mongering campaigns kick in to gear. Sound familiar? If you just model the basic game theory of capitalism on a computer, using the most simple profit driven dynamics of a market, the result is always that one person ends up with all the money. ALWAYS! This means the most basic logic of the system is flawed, and it is psychotic for us to continue on this path. We keep having to patch the system, be it through legislation to regulate basic capitalist activities, or literally bailing out the biggest banks to exist in the history of the world, when they go bust. Boom bust is baked into the system... Do you find it odd that generally, the capitalists actually profit when the system busts...? What kind of system rewards people in such insane ways? As to your point about externalities, that is also wrong to a large extent. What is true is that we haven't seen this system in our history, but that doesn't mean it can't exist. Such a system would have feedback as inputs back into the system for any of the negative effects generated by the economy. This means it would actually account for things like pollution and generate a cost for higher polluting activities. It would actively seek healthy people and poor health outcomes would negatively effect Healthcare economics, rather than leading to more profit, as it does now. Certainly, the externalities aren't immediately measurable, as there can be a time lag, but an effective system would be seeking to identify and reduce them. In capitalism, companies are INCENTIVIZED to not only generate externalities, but to hide them. That leads to greater profit. It also means the economy becomes further out of touch with reality and closer to self destruction. Have you even thought about what happens as this process progresses into the future? Have you considered what capitalism will do when resources become TRULY scarce? In other words, how does the system solve the dilemma of necessary growth when it runs into the planetary limits of a a finite system....? Or is the assumption that we have to just colonize space before that happens?

[@scottharrison5734]

I live rural contry side livestock Country i will always have quality meat no worries

[@amirnaderi8470]

Conflicted carnivore 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️

[@andreashnida5661]

What about simply not eating meat? 😂🤷‍♂

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

That's just not realistic. Humans are omnivorous , and there will always be people who eat meat . Thus is a fantastic alternative

[@rogue3524]

​@@FoxtrottangoabcHello. If we are omnivorous, why do we get so many disease from eating animals, milk, eggs...? Our body design to thrive on plants, it doesn't mean we can't throw in animals in our body, but in long term ir will ruin our body. Read more about it, you will get there buddy.

[@romanstar7550]

exactly !

[@LeahBreHappy]

I agree!! I've been meat free 9 years

[@LeahBreHappy]

@@Foxtrottangoabcit can be reality but it's not unfortunately

[@carolgerber6375]

Obviously the guest didn't do his homework about Rich Roll and doesn't listen.

[@daviddestrebecq9806]

My god 😢

[@bm.6349]

My only interest in cultured meat is for cats and other obligate carnivores.

[@MattAngiono]

Why? That inevitably mean more animals suffer. I too wish people would just change, but is that really happening? This at least helps alleviate the pressure

[@GarudaLegends]

It is cancer. Not fit for human or pet consumption.

[@scottdwyer4776]

How much did they pay you.... 😔

[@mcbnn7]

Talk about genetically modified!!

[@sew1what]

BUGS!!?? He sounds like a politician 🙏

[@potterylady44]

No thanks😁

[@theliterarytarot]

Disappointing.

[@mamaisalwaysright2935]

If it looks like chicken and tastes like chicken…

[@schmi3gal]

FYI: US patent No 6,835,390 B1 states that these cells are cultivated using Oncogenic aka cancer causing cells.

[@schmi3gal]

Let’s see if KZbin keeps taking this comment down

[@MattAngiono]

Curious how that is defined. Cancer cells are still cells. They can still provide the same nutrients and don't necessarily then cause cancer when digested. I think it's still worth noting and the science should be done to show that these products don't correlate to cancer. But we can't even get solid on any science right now because the entire field is corrupted by the capitalist system. Perverse incentives are rampant

[@MattAngiono]

​@@schmi3galKZbin is a terrible platform. Censorship is out of control

[@dianeleirer9878]

Found this(USA Today article):”The Food and Drug Administration said cancer cells are not used in the process of making cell-cultivated food. Experts told USA TODAY that stem cells are typically used because of their availability and ability to replicate. Though cancer cells can similarly grow quickly, experts said the cells are "fundamentally different."

[@schmi3gal]

@@dianeleirer9878 oncogenic cells are TUMOR cells cancers are ABNORMAL tumors

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

For all those who believe in man.

[@riascureman3860]

😥😒😬😕

[@joeyjonesSoCal]

I’m not vegan for the climate. I’m not vegan for my health either. I’m vegan for one reason, and that is to abstain from harming animals. Consuming lab grown/cultivated meats, discredits the entire vegan philosophy, which is to change our palates to not desire/crave the taste of animal flesh. Which is possible, I have been vegan for 15 years, and the thought of meat makes me dry heave. We can’t be animal advocates and promote consuming animal flesh, even if it’s made “from cells rather than slaughter.”

[@MattAngiono]

That's not what being vegan really means. It's not about overcoming some taste challenge, though I agree that we should be able to do that and am incredibly saddened by the fact we haven't. But the real concern is animal suffering. This COULD end that eventually. That's more important in my mind, than people changing their tastes. I do think humanity has a long way to go to becoming an actual "compassionate species" but the most important thing is to not have animal abuse as a system. We will be dealing with ethics as long as we are alive.

[@MattAngiono]

I'm not sure why you'd think this discredit vegan philosophy. The philosophy is about reducing harm. If animals aren't harmed, because we cultivate the meat without ever growing an animal, this falls within a vegan ethic. The desire for that taste is a whole separate issue. Is it not vegan to eat imitation products made from plants because it tastes like flesh? I don't think that flies

[@donaarosaa]

Try changing the mind of billions of people.. most os the times we can’t change even one person..

[@MattAngiono]

@@donaarosaa I'm still trying to get even one person I know to become vegan. Hasn't happened. We're probably doomed as a species. Not because of not going vegan, but because we've put faith in the market based system which is consuming the ecosystem itself at a totally unsustainable rate

[@marykimberlyhayes]

These cultivated 'meat' objects in reality use much more natural resources than the real thing. Also the real thing is much healthier and works in synergy with the Planet as long as you're raising it via Regenerative Agriculture.

[@CharlieFader]

And scientific data supporting such a weird claim?

[@jarcau_vegan]

Still promoting the idea that other animals exist to serve humans. Veganism is not a plant-based diet. Veganism is an ethical standpoint characterized by the crystal clear rejection of the speciesist idea that «animals are ours to use», regardless of how cruel we treat them. And it involves all areas of life, not only nutrition, but also clothing, entertainment, cosmetics, hygiene and so on. Veganism is not about reducing the suffering inflicted on the animals we use, but «totally ceasing to see animals as our resources». Plant based dieting has never been veganism. -> «But it's a step on the right direction». I think this is wrong coming from a vegan. I can understand why a welfarist would say this. I think this is a step still «in the wrong direction»: nonhuman animals do not exist to serve human animals. They do exist for their own purposes, and should live free from our utilitarian worldview, even if it approaches the ultra-welfarist scope that proposes lab meat.

[@romanstar7550]

exactly

[@MattAngiono]

I don't believe it's not vegan if there are no animals being harmed. There's no animals left to exploit once we have the cells, which we do. These are cells. There's nothing to say that animal CELLS are somehow more sentient than plant cells. In fact, the community of cells that make up a whole plant life seen more interconnected and conscious than a cultivated colony of animal cells, if you ask me. Growing these cells abuses exactly ZERO animals from this point forward. That to me, fits well within the definition of ethical veganism. I would love to see a complex analysis of the entire resource chain, and to see the overall impacts of everything, before saying this was the best thing to do, but at this moment, in its potential to end factory farming, I think it's overall a great thing. The excessive purity of many vegans actually hurts the cause of the animals, as it turns away people from trying it. They already look at us as crazy, which is hard enough to overcome. We are much better off if we can show that we're truly against the cruelty and exploitation of animals themselves, and not just against a literal cellular structure

[@penstonecipher8259]

Sounds processed to me.

[@HummusPizza]

i get that veganism isn't a diet, but one of the main reasons many people go vegan is for health reasons, with one argument being that humans don't have any actual physiological adaptations to meat consumption. while it's more ethically obtained than farming chickens, it's still meat, which is unethical to sell to humans the same way it's unethical to sell them cigarettes

[@Drew_Forrest]

Humans have been eating meat since the dawn of time, there isn’t a single tribe ever found that didnt have meat in their diet so ofcourse we have the physiological adaptions for meat go see tribes in the amazon or Africa and ask what they have been eating for hundreds of years

[@HummusPizza]

@@Drew_Forrest the appeal to history logical fallacy is not a physiological adaptation

[@Drew_Forrest]

@@HummusPizza of course it does because we have inherited those physiological adaptions from out our ancestors who developed genetic, physiological and morphological adaptations to eating meat from thousands of years if hunting and gathering …its not rocket science cmon now!

[@willzinc6137]

If nothing dies then there is no ethical issue. You're just making up an ethical issue with lab grown meat.

[@alxncorp]

he just want to make money, that's all

[@LeahBreHappy]

That's what vibe I got when he said "everyone loves meat". Ok but everyone loves French fries, doesn't mean it's good for us.

[@veganrican606]

News flash, every company wants to make money. Including the meat industry. So yes water is wet.

[@maia6038]

yes good job! you have discovered how the economy works ❤️

[@alxncorp]

@@maia6038 thanks, it took time to find out

[@GarudaLegends]

These ppl want to make humans unhealthy to sell them pharmaceuticals WHEN they get sick eating this cancer. It is only about profit.

[@janegene1723]

You're still eating a chicken, Rich Roll. Why would you eat a sentient being?! You said you're a vegan, aren't you!

[@richroll]

You clearly did not watch the podcast

[@BothamHawkins]

10/10 would not recommend fake meat.

[@veganrican606]

It's not fake, it's just a different source.

[@MattAngiono]

There's nothing fake happening. No one is lying about what this is, so far as we know. It's even got the potential to be healthier.... Time will tell, if we can do the right science on it

[@GarudaLegends]

​@@veganrican606it is cancer, not fit for human consumption