The Junk Food Doctor: "THIS Food Is Worse Than Smoking!" - Chris Van Tulleken Ultra-Processed People

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00:00 🌟 Intro
02:45 🤯 Impact & Concerns about "Ultra-Processed Food"
06:36 📚 Understanding Health Issues and Addiction
08:36 🍔 Role of Food Environment in Obesity
23:44 🛒 Ultra-Processed Food and Health
24:11 🚦 Unhealthy Food Marketing
24:37 🍬 Food Labeling and Healthiness
27:26 🍭 Artificial Sweeteners
34:46 🍕 Impact of Ultra-Processed Diet
45:35 🍽️ Economical Home Cooking
46:01 🧒 Importance of Choice in Food
46:28 🦒 Diverse Food Selection
47:40 🧒 Balancing Nutritional Needs
51:09 🏠 Environment's Impact on Health
01:06:37 🧠 Food Industry's Influence
01:07:19 📚 Advocating for Change
01:09:10 🚬 Food Addiction Discussion
01:15:06 💡 Reasons for Optimism
01:29:28 🤔 Personal Transformation
01:31:02 🍽️ Embrace Food Preparation
01:34:14 🌱 Sustainable Food Activism
01:35:41 🕓 Importance of Being Present
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[@TheDiaryOfACEO]

Thank you Chris 🙏🏽 If you enjoyed this conversation could you do us a favour and HIT that like button on the video! Helps us a lot ❤

[@alsherifkhalaf7385]

we wish you to discuss the conflict in middle east and how UK is involved historically in Palestine Conflict

[@mariosnic]

This sounds like u are asking Chris to hit the like button 😅

[@mariosnic]

and an honest piece of feedback, since u guys have started repeatedly asking (pleading) for likes and subscribes I have started to get a bad feeling about the authenticity if the show. I fully understand the reasons, but I can't help but feel less comfortable with the podcast. I've been a follower from the very beginning and I love it, but I must admit it's starting to feel more and more commercialee, which takes away from its authenticity.

[@jodekelly7861]

OMG DREAM GUEST FOR ME!! Haven’t even watched yet but can’t WAIT!

[@sallyrose8075]

​@@mariosnic'Likes and subscribes' drive the algorithm, bringing more viewers to the channel. It also increases revenue for the content creator.

[@Raven7b]

Great podcast, however the Huel sponsorship stick out like a sore thumb, imho. That is literally ultra processed food.

[@xenuworriorprincess]

Oooof that is such a good point!!! Absolutely hate huel!

[@paulhealy123]

Couldn't agree more

[@cellyjordan2138]

This!!!!

[@nikobellic570]

Great work, Batman. Never blindly follow anyone. Keep your wits

[@elizabethdelullo6900]

I used the Yuka app because I missed it but there’s nothing good about it.

[@mollydooker9636]

40 years ago my Dad told me, 'Dont eat anything that has an advertising budget.' .... looks like he may have been right.

[@skippy6462]

Exactly.... .Broccoli doesn't have a PR budget.

[@wendyfitzgerald9179]

that's the simplest and smartest thing I've ever heard. Thank you Molly Dooker's dad.

[@mart34]

You have a very wise Dad. Love this quote! Thanks for sharing!

[@MrFreeGman]

Another good general rule: Don't eat anything that didn't exist before the industrial age.

[@carolgarner9299]

Don't know were you are but in Australia we have TV adds from Zespy to eat kiwi fruit. Banana board add jingle tells you eat them. Also avocado adverts to "ava an avo". Kids pay attention to the cartoony caracters and jingles. We also have free fruit for kids in major supermarkets so you will see kids in shopping trolleys chomping on apples/mandarins/bananas instead of rubbish which is wonderful.

[@TheHovel]

A promotion of Huel, in the middle of this, is the funniest thing that I've seen for a while. 🤣 Thank you!

[@YogawithAliBeale]

It's gotta be a huge moral dilemma at least for me it is as a woman in her 40s. Even with my personal care products. I can't teach self-care and healthy aging and use things that are full of toxins and the rest of the world is promoting Botox, filler and hair color as the norm and expected.

[@TamiaPeach]

@@YogawithAliBeale the difference here is that he’s not teaching, he’s learning.

[@Dragonologist]

​@YogawithAliBeale Presenting both sides of an argument isn't a moral delimna, it's an open conversation. I want to have all the options to make my own choices. Nobody needs to regulate my ability to choose by limiting my available options. That is what we do with children to keep them from harming themselves because they are too inexperienced.

[@V1ciousR]

@@YogawithAliBeale The rest of the world is not doing that, it's the bubble you're in right now. Get out of that bubble and you'll see literally most of the world does not promote botox, filler and hair color haha.

[@jameswallis2579]

Great episode as always. The irony is that Steven is (or was) an ambassador of Huel, an ultra-processed meal replacement.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

He said "I'm aware of who I'm talking to" during the podcast, so he tried not to be too hard on huel, but it's full of junk. It's difficult to believe Steven didn't read the ingredients "artificial sweeteners". Sad. That's how the BBC and government control people. Steven will be on dancing on Ice with fellow puppet Stormzy. You'll see.. then they will be in the house of corrupt lords if they read the government script and take the government money.

[@ValkyiaTV]

I was just about to comment this hahaha

[@lexleak5915]

See that part...

[@jacobohlenschlager1]

And there is an advertisement in this podcast for a supplement right after the interview said supplements is rubbish, and is not absorbed like vitamins from food. Mind boggling.

[@25johnlowe]

Huel is trash, i don't buy all this "i'm too busy to eat proper food" stuff from people. It's just not true and people are being lazy looking for a quick fix. Eat proper food (we all know what this is generally), reduce processed food as much as possible, cook yourself if you can. Exercise as much as you can, walking even can be great. Simple.

[@Lea31706]

I went from eating the normal diet to no processed food low carb and in 14 months I’m down 70lb , I no longer have autoimmune issues and my pre diabetes has gone

[@babslekaradas8555]

So what are you eating

[@kate4biglittlevoices]

@@babslekaradas8555fresh cuts of meat , from the meat section, not the freezer , no lunch meat, no Bologna , fresh cuts or whole fish , even frozen is ok as long as no dye or colorings , fresh wild caught is best , any seafood by the same standards, fresh fruit and vegetables at farmers markets , carefully selected produce form markets , and the like

[@Justybow]

@@babslekaradas8555cum

[@sayusayme7729]

Awesome eh, fell off for bit. Huge mistake. All the same results. Way to go!

[@Lea31706]

@@babslekaradas8555 fish eggs cheese and meat ,as much as I need

[@dameanvil]

00:14 🥦 Ultra-processed foods are pervasive and engineered to be irresistible, contributing to a global epidemic of diet-related diseases. 75% of global calories come from six major food companies. 00:43 🚭 Poor diet now surpasses tobacco as the leading cause of early death worldwide. In the UK, 80% of calories for one in five people come from ultra-processed foods. Children's lifespans are affected, being 9cm shorter compared to other countries. 01:10 💰 Poverty is a major factor in poor dietary choices. Eliminating poverty could address around 60% of diet-related health issues. Personal responsibility is secondary to societal change for better nutrition. 07:17 🏃‍♂️ The debate between personal responsibilityand societal factors in obesity is complex. Evidence suggests that personal responsibility arguments are often linked to poverty and may not be valid in population health discussions. 11:28 🌾 Ultra-processed food arose from the financialization of the food industry, transforming commodity ingredients like corn, soy, and rice into long-lasting, low-cost products with high intellectual property value. 19:19 🥩 Ultra-processed foods extract nutrients and introduce additives, emphasizing convenience, long shelf life, and addictiveness, which can lead to overconsumption and contribute to health issues. 22:05 🤔 Ultra-processed foods undergo rigorous adjustments, from taste to texture, to make them irresistibly appealing. Some individuals develop intense cravings and consumption habits for specific processed products. 23:15 🥣 Breakfast cereals like Cheerios, whole grain bread, and Diet Coke are commonly perceived as healthy choices, but they fall under the category of ultraprocessed foods. 24:37 🚦 The traffic light system used to label food in the UK is influenced by the food industry. It categorizes foods based on fat, saturated fat, sugars, and salt content. However, it can be confusing when a food item falls in the orange-green range. 25:47 🥤 Diet Coke, often considered a healthy choice due to green traffic lights, contains artificial additives like caramel e150d (not related to caramel), artificial sweeteners (aspartame and asame K), caffeine, and acids. It's not a healthful option. 27:26 🍬 Sweeteners may not aid in weight loss and can have metabolic effects. There's also a mild concern about aspartame and cancer, though evidence is inconclusive at normal dosages. 28:35 🍕 Ultra-processed foods like frozen pizzas, including high-end brands, are designed for overconsumption. They share common ingredients like palm fat and dextrose. 36:04 🤯 A diet consisting of 80% ultraprocessed foods led to significant weight gain, changes in brain connectivity associated with habit and reward, and disrupted hormonal responses to meals, potentially contributing to mental health challenges like anxiety and depression. 42:11 🌍 The World Obesity Federation predicts that over 4 billion people will live with obesity or be overweight within the next 12 years. The issue lies not with individuals but with the food environment, necessitating changes in regulations for healthier, accessible options. 44:47 🍏 Access to nutritious food is a challenge for low-income individuals, including asylum seekers on limited budgets. 45:00 🍽️ Many households lack basic kitchen appliances, relying solely on microwaves for cooking. 45:28 🍲 Making healthy food choices is not just about cost, but also requires kitchen tools, storage, and time for preparation. 46:37 🐐 Animals in the wild balance their nutrition from diverse plant sources, demonstrating sophisticated dietary behaviors. 47:32 🧒 Abandoned children given access to a variety of whole foods instinctively balanced their nutritional needs. 49:08 🍪 Normalizing occasional consumption of ultra-processed foods can be essential for social integration and avoiding food snobbery. 54:00 🏋️ Increasing activity alone may not significantly impact body weight due to complex genetic, metabolic, and behavioral factors. 57:03 🧬 Genetics play a role in obesity, but expression of obesity-related genes is influenced by social and economic factors. 01:03:17 💸 Eliminating poverty could address around 60% of diet-related health issues. 01:05:04 📱 Kids are heavily targeted with marketing for unhealthy foods through various channels, including social media and competitions. 01:05:30 🇬🇧 Stress and food environment can significantly impact weight, even for genetically identical individuals. 01:06:22 🧬 Accidents and food environment play a larger role in weight than personal willpower or responsibility. 01:07:32 📖 Transition from considering oneself a victim to becoming an activist in improving food choices is essential for positive change. 01:08:56 🌍 Access to healthy food choices is a privilege; addressing poverty is a crucial step in improving public health. 01:09:25 🚫 Treating ultra processed food addiction may be as challenging as quitting smoking in the 1960s due to its addictive nature. 01:11:44 🧠 Addictive substances are often consumed quickly; the speed of consumption contributes to addiction. 01:12:54 🌡️ High consumption of ultra processed foods is linked to various health risks, including mortality, cardiovascular disease, and mental health disorders. 01:18:00 💼 Food industry influence on public health narratives is a concerning issue; advocating for transparency and regulation is important. 01:19:21 👁️ Changing one's perspective on ultra processed foods, from addiction to disgust, can be a powerful step towards healthier eating habits. 01:21:37 🏭 Food products designed for profit, not nourishment, challenge traditional definitions of food; redefining cultural and personal perspectives is crucial. 01:25:06 🌍 There are reasons for optimism in addressing the ultra processed food issue, including viable economic models and successful precedents (tobacco regulation). However, powerful corporate interests pose a significant challenge. 01:25:48 🥘 Dr. Spector's mother initially cooked homecooked, traditional African food, rich in Whole Foods, vegetables, and salads. However, due to starting a business, she stopped cooking, leading Dr. Spector to consume less nutritious options from Sweet Shops. 01:26:15 🧠 Dr. Spector reflects on why he's physically and intellectually different from his older siblings, potentially due to dietary differences. 01:26:40 🧠 Youngest children in European families tend to have slightly lower IQ scores, possibly influenced by birth order dynamics. 01:27:09 🎓 Dr. Spector's brothers excelled academically, demonstrating potential disparities in achievement among siblings. 01:27:51 📚 The book's significant impact was empowering loved ones to make their own food choices, rather than pressuring or nagging them. 01:28:33 🤔 Dr. Spector discusses the importance of allowing loved ones agency in their food choices, emphasizing that food decisions are influenced by larger forces. 01:29:42 💡 Dr. Spector finds it intriguing how individuals decide to make positive life changes, often necessitating a level of personal pain or realization. 01:31:16 🤝 Allowing people to grapple with their problems and find their own solutions can be challenging but ultimately empowering and necessary for personal growth. 01:32:12 🍳 Viewing food preparation as a connection to one's ancestors and a way to nourish oneself can shift perspectives on meal preparation from a chore to a meaningful act. 01:33:03 🚬 Dr. Spector draws parallels between the time it took to regulate tobacco and the challenges in regulating ultra-processed foods, emphasizing the need for sustained activism and evidence-building. 01:34:56 🌍 The fight for improved food systems is a generational effort, with activists passing on knowledge and strategies to continue the battle against big food companies.

[@libbyblakely4871]

Thank you for these notes!

[@Cookingcousin]

Goat thank you very much

[@wasssoxx]

Thank you

[@saula131]

Thanks for these time stamps & notes - very helpful - quick correction, the interviewer is Stephen Bartlett - not Dr. (Tim) Spector

[@dearhappiness9587]

Thanks for the breakdown

[@Unshou]

I cannot overstate how much Chris has changed my life in the space of just 5 months. In early June I watched a podcast in which he was a guest and he spoke about the same topic. Since the 6th June 2023, I've cut out ultra-processed food almost entirely from my diet. Initially I thought it'd be impossible to find foods without crap in it but it's actually been really easy. When I fancy a snack I have an apple or a few grapes, or some nuts. I have a variety of home cooked meals every night. For breakfast I have a "full fat" natural yoghurt (containing just milk) and occasionally I'll have toast with a organic jam or scrambled eggs on the weekend (bread sourced from a bakery). The home cooked meals aren't what people would consider particularly healthy (plenty of meat, cheese, starchy foods) and I've not cut down on portion sizes. In the last five months I've gone from 112KG to 99.9 KG (as of yesterday). The only other lifestyle change I've made is to take a one-hour walk every week day. Other than this, I've done no other exercise in the last 5 months whatsoever.

[@sophiepegglehead]

what podcast was it you watched in June

[@ArnoutCW]

Congrats!

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Congratulations on your results. Don't worry about the meat and cheese. They keep you from getting hungry and snacking. Walking is great exercise. Sometime when you feel up to it, try a little light resistance exercise. It's wonderful for keeping aches and pains away (by stabilizing joints) and staving off sarcopenia when you get older.

[@TomIves-KingstonWorkshop-]

Good work brother. I'm going to try and follow your footsteps.

[@rebeccaco65]

@@sophiepeggleheadit’s probably not *the* podcast, but the first series of the BBC’s A Thorough Examination with Chris and Xand looks at UPF. I listened to it and read Chris’ book, cut out most UPF, and have lost 16lbs in the last 3 months.

[@Chris-vx2qs]

Just paused this video to write what a wonderfully articulate man this doctor is. To explain quite intricate situations like this in such a clear, understandable and simple way takes a deep understanding and a good mind.

[@mintygrey]

Chris (and his identical twin, Xand) are both brilliant. Both doctors, and as they're identical twins, they have identical genetics - which is incredibly useful for exactly the kinds of studies that they're interested in! They do a lot of documentaries about twin studies, aimed at both kids and adults, which are so engaging that I think anyone (regardless of scientific literacy) would be enthralled by them. Definitely worth looking into! "The Twinstitute" is a personal favourite.

[@fluffyjojo4570]

The Huel promo in the middle of a video warning about the dangers of ultra processed foods just slayed me 😂 How ridiculous

[@jmk1962]

Yes it's very hypocritical 😢

[@jfinnie78]

I had to do a double take... I thought - nah, can't be serious? Yep, he did it. Pretty shameless, and I felt bad for Chris that all he was saying was somehow wrapped around that segment in a pretty disingenuous manner.

[@jillmartin3951]

Great that we recognise it is Huel is UPF, even better, they are paying for this presentation teaching us to identity their product as crap

[@jas78396b]

The hypocrisy of plugging Huel here is unbelievable.

[@usrname1y]

wdym, are you insinuating Huel are pure shit? 🤣

[@aliceB357]

No it’s not. Stop being so easily offended.

[@Dahpie]

@@aliceB357 How exactly is it being offended by pointing out hypocrisy? Are you a moron? Wait, dumb question, the answer is clearly yes.

[@user-gk4or7jj6z]

My aunty is 130 born she lives in our village she only eats home grown food with no GM foods She is very healthy 2024 still having great energy She believes in God and praying daily

[@DJAndeKarmaRecordings]

Did you say she is 130?

[@featherbarn]

Just sat my two teenage boys down to watch this (and they listened because they grew up with Chris & Zand) and it really made sense to them. THANK YOU. I wish they studied this at school - I know curriculum is limited - but an after school club on health & strength.

[@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup]

I am from atlanta and my grand uncles and aunts worked at Coke A Cola in the 1910s to 1930s and my father told me a story about my grandmother. She was at a coke company picnic when she was 7 or 8 (she died in ?2008?) and saw everyone around her drinking coke except for one man. She walked up to him in that precocious 7 year old way and asked him "hey mister why aren't you drinking coke?". His answer was simply "bc little girl I know whats in it". I have been on a journey to cut out bad foods (and have failed many times. Still do) and this moment was one of the moments which flipped the switch against soda for me.

[@thekeysman6760]

Nice story! And it's "1930s",no apostrophe saying "1930 is" as you have. Apostrophe omits something, as in '30s. 👍

[@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup]

@@thekeysman6760 I never knew that but it makes sense. Thanks!

[@its_all_in_the_feeling8448]

@@thekeysman6760get outta here, this is not school

[@samanthahardy9903]

Originally Coke contained cocaine.

[@GrandmaKit]

This was a brilliant podcast. Older American here. I chuckled when you spoke about coming to America and gaining weight. Recently a friend who is an immigrant and a doctor, made the same complaint. She explained that the American diet and foods available are radically different from her home country. During our conversation she unlocked the riddle for me and it is a riddle for many regarding the association of between the modern diet and disease. I think the journey for many is in the education factor. And for the poor (I am among them), it is an affordability issue at first. But, I have found a few trips to the thrift store for pots I need etc. I have what I need to make whole foods. But, what I find incredibly funny as in odd...less processed foods are more expensive. It seems that way initially because one thinks they need a lot of food to be satiated. When I have found overtime, that is not true. I need less food and spend less on weekly grocery trips. So, this is why I say education from what food to eat, how to cook it, and how it financially has an impact on budget over time.

[@sarahsnowe]

The triumph of unregulated capitalism (= greed) and The American Way.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

That’s what he just said btw 😊 he said if people had knowledge not just money they make better choices. But also you are one person, as person who grew up with a family with lots of children it just cost a lot to feed a lot of people good whole food , it just does.

[@ginaswellnessdiaries7491]

This!!!!

[@whiteflagrage]

Corn syrup is cheaper than sugar!

[@whiteflagrage]

Feels strange implying that sugar is the better of two evils.

[@sophierusby1211]

Should you be allowed to advertise Huel and then have people on promoting getting rid of UPF? It seems extremely disingenuous and actually quite criminal.

[@highlysuspiciousnews8641]

Criminal 😂😅 . 100% liberal thing to say. Huel would be processed, I believe, not ultra processed. The guest isn't apposed to processed

[@chelloboy32]

​@@highlysuspiciousnews8641Huel is a perfect example is ultraprocessed "food"

[@LovelyRuthie]

Very refreshing to hear a take on food choices that doesn't shame the consumer.

[@katierobertsfnp6403]

“Don’t blame the victim.”

[@melrichards100]

Brilliant. I love Chris’ compassionate, inclusive, non-judgmental way of advocating for all of us.

[@Tespri]

The guy is a con artist.

[@margb8161]

Yes he spoke with not only knowledge and research but also with heart and empathy.

[@carolynkepler2826]

FINALLY! I’ve been preaching this for years. We’ve been unwitting guinea pigs in this experiment. When food became industrialized, the rate of obesity and all of its related diseases became the norm. I’ve struggled with obesity since age13. Food has been the enemy. Now, I understand who the REAL enemy is.

[@theflaca]

This is all BS. It's still about choice. My work cafeteria has both healthy food with lots of green red orange colours in vegies fruits and salads. It sits side by side with high fat yellow deep fried crap. Everything the same price. What did all the staff choose? The disgusting yellow crap. and how about getting off your arses and moving.

[@MNkno]

All of a sudden, one day, reading a processed food label... I had a real sense that it had been designed by professionals, purposefully, to be addicting, and here I was, an amateur, going up against professionals if I bought that item. And on a different day, I looked around the shop and realized that highly processed foods don't go "off". Fresh vegetables and fruit, meat, eggs, milk and the rest would all spoil and have to be thrown out if not sold before then. Not only do they give the store a better profit margin, they also let the shop avoid the problem of food that had gone bad before being sold.

[@Sarah-with-an-H]

I’m afraid it’s not an experiment. It’s a calculated manipulation to reality. It was even just 100 years ago that it was common knowledge that animal based without restrictions on fat was healthy..

[@kaibe5241]

Not really. Agriculture has been around for thousands of years. Obesity is specifically related to a marketing campaign by the sugar lobby about 60 years ago.

[@wendyscott8425]

@@MNkno And if more of us stuck to food that either directly came out of the ground or that ate what came out of the ground, those foods wouldn't go bad, they'd be sold before that ever happened. I'm doing my best and have for several years now.

[@laurajaynedunning1931]

Thank you Chris. I’m grateful for your deep and holistic knowledge and most importantly your ability to communicate this information so beautifully and succinctly. As a psychotherapist I am in such support of your theories of non-judgement and letting go of outcomes in relation to those we care for. Will power is a myth and nagging/shaming people to restrict their addictive substance only entrenches them further them and erodes connection. Thank you for being a truth teller, we are in such desperate need of them these days. Also, the Huel advert was quite jarring!

[@lloyds657]

Having recently read your book I have taken a greater appreciation of the content of these discussions. The real application of the content of this has to be the most informative one yet!

[@cristiannaJ126]

Just got back from 2.5 weeks in Europe. Much of that time I spent in Italy, and it is absolutely crazy how differently the food impacts you there. We were eating homemade breads, fresh pressed oils, pasta that we watched get made in front of us, and vegetables that tasted like they'd been harvested that day! My husband and I would order an appetizer, a main, and sometimes a dessert and never feel overstuffed. Then we wouldn't be hungry for hours and hours afterwards. Flash to coming back home to the US - even picking up a salad, the portions were huge and didn't leave me feeling satiated. Made packaged pasta, felt hungry and hour later. It is crazy what they are putting in our food!!!

[@robinspat]

Red sardinian cannonau wine, a glass a day AND USE “Silver Spoon” cook book ❤️🧠🎈🧠🤣

[@lw2131]

Also in Italy, you were not consuming GMO wheat like all the wheat grown in the US. Your pastas and baked goods were actually food, not the stuff we eat made with glyphosate saturated grains so overused by US agricultural monopolies. Look it up and discover how detrimental that stuff is to gut health and body functioning. US food agsters are criminals and should be prosecuted.

[@garyp1432]

Same in India and the east

[@lindseynoel3522]

Probably the best explanation about food I have ever heard. I have a degree in nutrition and public health and work for the NHS as a stop smoking advisor yet I feel I have learnt so so much from listening to this interview. Thank you to you both and i will definitely be buying Chris's book.

[@marciamakoviecki3295]

What did you learn?

[@tonyinfinity]

You "have a degree in nutrition"? LOL is there even a reason for a degree? We all know what's "healthy", it's not about knowing, it's about people making poor decisions. I'll bet your expansive education focused on the food pyramid and you think eating plants is the way to go? Ha, you don't even need to answer, I already know the answer.

[@barbarav4036]

This talk so spoke to me..I was in a part of Los Angeles and could not find any unprocessed foods at local restaurants for me and my grandchildren. We stumbled upon a local Japanese restaurant and I was able to find real whole foods like I choose to make at home. Luckily I can afford good food. Grew up in poverty as a child but real food was readily available in those days ! My health is very good at 65 I I know it is due to the food choices I have made for the last 20 years. At that time of SUPERSIZE it I was totally disgusted with food I cut out white flour products and soda pop. That choice has served me well.

[@michellesimpsons356]

After eating healthier for 6 mo to change my life, I went on a 7 day food binge making up for a lot of things I denied myself. I realized It didn’t taste as as I remembered. I gained 4 pounds and it did not feel good at all. I was hungry all the time. When I was eating healthy, I was never really really hungry . Now I never dine out. I make all my own meals now like before. Feel great.

[@doracsiky]

way to go! dining out is overated, in my opinion, not to mention that you don't even know for sure what they put in front of you for amounts of money on which you could buy food to last a week or more

[@jessica5470]

its mad how your tastebuds change yeah, its only been a month for me and since eating fruit everyday and being shocked at the sweetness, when i taste chocolate now, which was my worst addiction, it tastes really dry and boring, id rather an orange, im only 22 but my diet since i could eat solid food was ultra processed everything, i never in my wildest dreams wouldve belived i could actually enjoy this lifestyle of healthy eating, the stress dieting has previously caused me was immense, now i just aim for health, i consciously think before letting my emotional brain make the decision, recognise true happiness comes from delayed gratification and striving to be better.

[@michellesimpsons356]

@@doracsiky exactly we have no idea what’s going on behind the curtain in a restaurant. Lots of added calories.

[@janealan2142]

Awesome podcast. Thank you both. Since I'm a poor starving but overweight senior existing on a small govt pension, I'm in the queue for getting a copy of the book from the library. Two comments: 1) the relationship between love and disgust. I grew up in a three pack a day smoking household and took up the habit myself at age fourteen. At age sixteen I had an aha moment and realized that I was addicted to cigarettes and thru the package in the garbage and never looked back. Within one month the smell of cigarette smoke absolutely revolted me and to this day I can't even look at smokers without registering disgust in my mind and gut; 2) the boy who drank the cod liver oil. When I was about 50 years old I was introduced to sushi and couldn't stop eating it. Every day I needed a fix until finally after a full year the compulsion suddenly ended. When analyzing this bizarre behavior I surmised that there were probably micronutrients in the Nori seaweed that my body desperately craved. Cheers from Toronto Ontario Canada 🤗

[@thinkhector]

If you want to lose weight, the best way is intermittent fasting. _Eating less causes you to lose weight_!?! Yes, i know controversial. The reason you never see this being promoted anywhere is because it's not trying to sell you something. No one is going to make a commercial telling you NOT to buy, NOT to shop. An intermittent fast can be a 12 hour fast once a week. A 36 hour fast where you eat 4 days a week, but skip 3. It can vary depending on your needs. If you do want to purchase something I recommend the book "The Obesity Code." It explains the science behind it. But a free Google search and a short article will just get you started. If you are interested in your health beyond just losing weight, a vegan diet is the best for most people.

[@dana102083]

Iodine maybe? Many people are deficient and related to hypothryoid I believe.. I've heard of this a few times.. a baby esting salted butter I heard.. You're an all or nothing kind of person, I appreciate that. Hopefully you aren't hung up on other vices ;)

[@dawn8542]

I lost my job am made a large soup for 4 months. Black beans. Brown rice. Kale. Spinach. And tomatoes. People who eat plants don't have a weight problem. Eating animals and processed foods makes everyone fat and sick.

[@kehindeb1760]

Hey, please send me your details and I’ll buy and send the book to you. See it as an early Christmas present.

[@SHERmusician]

I’m in Toronto too

[@ashleybankscoaching]

I quit added sugars 1 month ago, and all wheat products about 2 weeks ago. I did this for health reasons. I have to share that is it the most bizzare feeling to not have urges to eat all the time. Im 32 and i cant remember a time in my life where ive felt this content and satisfied nutritionally. I eat meat, eggs, veggies, fruits, oats, and dairy. It was a slow process to cut the processed sugar and wheat foods out, but so far, it's worth the effort. I have reduced joint paint, no GI upsets, stable mood, and ive had some weight loss. If youre on the fence about changing your diet, DO IT ! The only thing holding you back is the addiction to the current foods you eat. Just take the leap

[@waffle_chair9269]

Interesting. It also is said to take 10 days to change taste buds also.

[@Slaughta18]

I'm so happy you are improving your health! Just wait until you minimise red meat, remove dairy and opt for raw vegetables 🫂💪🏼🧘🏻🤍

[@joanneclark8256]

Is oats not good? I need breakfast and low income ldeas please

[@Kaybye555]

​@@joanneclark8256yes it is, you have your oatmeal. Try having beans, lentils, eggs and vegetables with your breakfasts

[@foxface6719]

…better sleep, improved vision, better s*x, easier periods, better smelling body odour, less plaque on teeth and better breath… it goes on.

[@susangafvert6782]

So engaging, facinating, kind, and helpful. Never lost interest during this long conversation. I thank you both!

[@EncountersWithTheDivine]

I raised my family on whole food. Yes, there was also ultraprocessed foods as well, but 80-90% of their diet was whole foods. I did this all on government assistance for food. I did all the shopping, my favorite parts of the big American grocery store was the produce, meats, and dairy areas. I also used a lot of whole grains. We made our own bread, grew Kiefer, used sourdough. I was able to do this by being home full-time raising/schooling my children. I was willing to live in poverty to raise my children and not the school and government system. Personal mindset and desires played a huge part in my choices for my household. I appreciate your podcast. I always learn from your guests.

[@harmonywhalan4877]

So wonderful! Your family are blessed to have you as their mother!

[@litchimatcha1933]

Exactly. Contrary to what is stated in the video, a lot is down to personal choices and willpower. Obviously it ain't easy and none can do it all but most people have some degree of choices to make.

[@dipereira0123]

38:47 "This is not food Cris, this is a industrially produced edible substance". Damn that hit hard 🤯

[@katella]

For decades Americans have eaten products, not food.

[@thekeysman6760]

38:43 Actual timestamp.

[@jmk1962]

So is Huel which Steven is an investor in.

[@thekeysman6760]

@@jmk1962Unrelated to the OP quote, but yes, it is. He says he sits in on board meetings too. I believe it's all natural extracts though, regardless of it not being 'wholefood'.

[@thekeysman6760]

@@jmk1962 But the quote above is about not being food! Not HUEL! 😉

[@catche85]

I've listened to the audio book over and over now. It's an exceptional read. Not at all overdramatized, sensationalised or intended to sway the reader. It's like talking to a friend about the issue of UPF. He's right, once listening to it, I can't stand the thought of what I was eating before. UPF "healthy" foods like protein bars and drinks, low carb with added fibre wraps, plus stuff like premium ice cream as a treat that isn't really that premium. I've been off UPF for a week now and it has made a MASSIVE difference to my appetite signals. Wonderful book and interview.

[@thatslucko8548]

This is the only book I've listened to more than once. Excellent book well read by the author.

[@nikobellic570]

It's a big deal and I'm glad someone's tackling it publicly

[@adarbar]

A Great interview! I think the messages from Chris Van Tulleken should be spread far & wide, possibly introduced to secondary or even primary school kids! This will not only allow kids to see at first hand the damage that junk food does to them, but also educate them into making healthy food choices! Aiding the parental/guardian cause, so it's not just them nagging kids to eat healthy! Great job from Steven in bringing these types of voices forward and allowing them to share their insights and knowledge with a wider audience!

[@aliciagardner3288]

A big thank you from an Oxonian from Venezuela 😉 I've been watching your podcasts and they are all interesting and educational. For some reason, l loved this one in particular as the food industry is such a corrupt and powerful force globally. Watching this podcast has been like a breath of fresh air.

[@dmayres]

I'm glad this is being spoken about more and more. Gut health, variety in diet and so on, it's so important and generally speaking there's a real lack of education around food. I'm fortunate to live close to a farm shop, and buy the vast majority of my food from there. It's so important to undertsand where your food comes from, not to mention supporting local producers.

[@ivybee8105]

Although I do agree with what you said I think is also important to know how the farmers are farming.. if they’re using lots of pesticides to grow food or feed their stock then buying farmers food is basically same as buying UPF

[@hmmm..2733]

Grow some of your own food. You haven’t lived until you’ve had a home grown tomato. Nothing like what you’ll find at a store, and $5 a lb if you can find a good heirloom variety at a farmers market. A favorite of many gardeners is the Cherokee Purple. I grew an heirloom cherry tomato…nothing to special about how it looked but the flavor was out of this world! No spraying at all, even with organic pesticides. Just some homemade fertilizer, water, and a little pruning.

[@balancelifewithjuliebrar9941]

Really great episode!I used to be addicted to sugar and fast food. Craved it all the time. Hashimoto’s and hypothyroidism forced me to really examine my relationship with food. I stopped eating all processed foods. Worked on my gut health and got rid of all the cravings. Don’t ever crave sugar or processed food. I focus on consuming raw living foods and am in the best health of my life. Have been off medication for 4 years. The thing that got me about this episode is when Chris said that he’ll eat processed foods in social situations. Knowing how much these Franken foods damage human health, once you know what they do why not choose to take care of your health? Why be pressured into consuming processed foods because everyone around you is? What if it was drugs or alcohol instead of processed foods? If someone is a recovering alcoholic would you expect them to drink in certain social situations to appease others? I would hope not. As for my own journey I have come to realize that processed foods are about profit and not health. I happily choose real foods over processed foods. In social situations I either eat beforehand or bring something suitable. I’m not willing to compromise my own personal health to fit in. Consequently most people are inspired by the changes I have made and usually start making changes to their own diet as a result. This is how we change the world, changing ourselves and inspiring others to do the same. Not by trying to fit into a broken food system that is driving the health crisis. Some possible solutions that weren’t discussed in the episode- growing some of your own foods, community gardens, food co-ops. I grow sprouts at home very easily, don’t even need dirt for that. Just water, seeds and a mason jar. Also speak with friends & we each grow different foods in the summer and swap. System change is needed but as individuals we’re not powerless.

[@mr_clottey]

Frankenfoods 🤣🤣🤣

[@sheshebrad]

Great comment. Thank you!

[@bongker22]

I agree.. I think Chris makes it sound like we are somewhat helpless to the environment/ government/ life situations and undermine the power of willpower. Yes, the circumstances people are in that he explained are real (people with no refrigerator/ more access to junk food than fresh whole food), but what about middle class people who have the access and money to make better choices with food and still make bad choices? I think he should put more credit to people with willpower to choose healthier food over cheap easy addictive junk food.

[@AliArt62]

Well said Julie! I agree that fitting in to a broken system is terrible advice. Unfortunately, throught the interview you can see Chris toeing a very careful line between promoting a healthy approach, while not pissing anyone in the processed food market off! It's a shame he's not being more explicit about the implications of ultra processed food. Best piece of advice given to me is "Read the ingredients label, not the marketing hype, and if there are ingredients you've never heard of, and don't recognise as food, put the product back on the shelf."

[@aleashawallace7537]

You can't go out for a meal with friends and take your own food to a restaurant. I eat exclusively whole foods. Esp at home. I eat out maybe once a month. One meal will not kill you.

[@anweshakar146]

He's so sweet and kind, the way he talks really gets me. The fact that he doesn't believe in forcing or pushing people. He really cares, doesn't he?

[@jamesbond91615]

32:29 this moment taught me as much as any other - he realises Steven is sponsored by Huel who represent everything Chris is against, he addresses it briefly without ignoring the elephant in the room, doesn't apologise for it but also doesn't confront him.

[@asmith4657]

30second advert for 1hour 40 minutes of amazing information that tells you to ignore the advert in the product just like Steven showing the other products on the table

[@handlmycck]

@@asmith4657 so promoting marlboro in an anti cancer conversation is just alright?

[@krystletv4445]

His last answer about not giving crumbs to your family resonates 😢 what a sincere and eye opening interview

[@bernadettetroth8786]

Great podcast and really thought provoking. I do love your podcasts 😊However, a bit ironic then to push Huel as surely an ultra ultra processed food and expensive - so the only market is those that can get all these nutrients from a healthy, balanced diet. I wonder how you feel about Huel now that you’ve done this podcast? I understand the sponsorship is important, of course, but you can only mean what you say when pushing Huel if you don’t back up what Chris has said here.

[@George-du9bf]

Just wrote the same thing and saw your comment. Massively agree, considering Huel contains Sucralose and other artificial flavourings it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Corporate greed at it again.

[@rufdymond]

Yep this whole thing of KZbinrs pushing that junk grinds my gears, even saw it in the local supermarket this morning. People need to get back to eating real food, no matter how busy you are, make time for yourself. You only have one body, look after it.

[@neil_gg_]

32:29 Pretty sure this is relevant to the Huel discussion.

[@watchnoface8770]

Been wondering same thing every episode!!! He’s bringing us gold in the sense of these interviews, then pushing Huel which HAS TO BE full of preservatives and bad chemicals just to keep it lasting inside that pouch!! The common denominator for health with all these health podcasts, is to eat whole, real foods as ‘organic’ as possible, in the right sequence (like the glucose goddess) with a treat for morale, maybe one day per week and consistently exercise regularly and build muscle. Also, my humble opinion from doing it: Intermittent fasting and eating good food when you break the fast, is the key to healing your body from the carcinogens and bad cells that get past the barrier from chemicals put even on the good food and the other pollution and crap in our life and work environments.

[@patrickjohansson2271]

And so the great farce is revealed. Between what you “dear” listeners believe (lol) vs what money says. “Thank you dear listeners for supporting this channel” supporting the capitalist gain of the owner.

[@kellybettes]

Its okay to be socially different with good food choices around others. No shame in being a role model. Thank you for all you are doing.

[@DiveInbluebucket]

Here in the US as I'm watching this on a Friday afternoon, I just received a text about FREE FRIES FRIDAY at McDonald's. In order to stay focused I have to remember they don't use avocado oil to fry their fries so I'm not interested. But how many times will I continue to remind myself if they keep on harassing me? The Struggle Is REAL!!!! I appreciate this post and the podcast, it really gives me a reset button for my defenses against the POWER.

[@madazaboxofrogzz8884]

This is one of the very best interviews you have done thank you so much for highlighting the dangers of process foods... I used to volunteer with Barnardo's doing parenting classes my priority was showing parents how cheap they could cook good healthy meals for their kids, I didn't lecture them I wanted to help , I was on a very tight budget myself with 2 kids 5 and 7 at the time, I helped other parents cook meals they would last for a couple of days especially in the winter. . A lot of parents don't know anymore coz they don't have home economics class at school anymore that ended in the early 90s ... Even know I'm trying to get on with our local addiction service to help those trying to change there lives but no one wants what I'm offering... Its very sad... Thank you for this it's going to open a lot of people eyes . 💖🌞 sending love & thanks from Amanda in Blackpool UK 💖🌞🦄

[@leighatkins22]

I remember my mum banging on about this in the 70s when I was around 12 - I got sick of hearing it so I listened to what she was trying to say and I understood that she saw the arrival of McDonald's in our country as a problem, and how the onslaught of other fast food places we were about to be subjected to, as such a dangerous threat, she could only sound the alarm long and hard. I heard her, and I raised my kids with junk food as a special treat... they never got money for the canteen except on special days, they never saw this crap often at all, and as a result even the teachers singled me out as a mum who fed her kids "healthy" food (they got peanut butter and vegemite sandwiches for lunch and fruit for play lunch for God's sake). That's how radically different I was - and i wasn't a health nut, i was just tired, lazy, overehelmed and broke, but that's how far away our society had wondered from where we were as we grew up!!! This shit is bad tho. Pandemic diabetes which is almost cured by just chromium picolinate and cinnamon!!! Fast food has literally just turned us towards massive malnutrition in a relatively rich, "well-fed" society... it truly IS junk food. Just becoz you can put that crap in your mouth DOES NOT make it food...

[@sharonrogers6541]

Chromium picolinate and Ceylon cinnamon are NO miracle cure, sugar. And if you do use a significant amount of cinnamon, use the Ceylon, not the Saigon. Look it up.

[@nikobellic570]

Firm parenting and "teachering" is a historical thing now.

[@adoteq_]

It is not even food

[@kimbogal]

yeah hate to break it to you pal but peanut butter and vegemite sandwiches are not considered healthy lol

[@carlovincetti4538]

Also, he doesnt mention it in this talk.

[@richardedwards7780]

Great interview. I'm reading the book. We need to not let these people kill us at our expense. Well done Chris!

[@rtd7066]

As someone who trained and work in complementary and energetic medicine, I love this guest for his reasonableness. In being so open and willing to share what he has discovered, he creates a space for all of us to get curious and make decisions with which we can better survive. Become disgusted. Thank you!

[@simonbaigrie2485]

Who wanted him to review the Huel product?

[@noraconnelly2584]

I wanted to personally Thank You for sharing this interview. I love it when people STAND for truth!❤ I am one who was raised on UPF's. I became over weight when I turned 11 yrs old & have been ever since. Addiction is the appropriate word for UPF's, it has been a battled my entire life & I can say that it angers me that our society has been deceived to think they are ok or, worse, healthy to consume. This has helped me to know that this isn't just in my mind that this food is harmful. I wish we could ban these from consumption, if I'm being honest. Our country (USA) & the world live a healthier, more productive & longer life. 💯🎯 Thank you, again❤️🥰 Ps: you've gained a new sub 😉👍✌️

[@Narwakful]

I'm from france, I'm currently watching your contents, peoples who're invited, topics and even the way you're doing interviews are all insane, congrats for your work and thanks for the value you're sharing with us

[@r3b3lutions]

@38:39 his personal experience when, after learning so much, he'd finally had enough. This is exactly what has happened to me, and I don't want to eat processed food OR mass processed animals anymore, and I literally don't know some days what I am supposed to eat instead!? It's so gross what is allowed and legal in our food system. I wish for a widespread food revolution; it will help us all.

[@ian2armannduccio]

I'm going to get this book, and I feel the need to recommend another, which I read over 40 years ago. Published in 1978 I believe, based on thousands of case histories over 50 years, it is Not All In The Mind by Dr Richard Mackarness. Important background reading for anyone interested in food allergy, food addiction and related mental health and general health. It is very nourishing food for thought.

[@k8eekatt]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@TheDiaryOfACEO]

Thanks so much for your recommendation. We will check this out! Team DOAC

[@bobbnudd2502]

​How does the huel advert in the middle fit with the desire for truth and the 52 preceeding minutes of content carefully explains what UPF is?​@@TheDiaryOfACEO

[@dancegeneration7595]

Loved this. Chris Van Tullekan is just so eloquent. Exceptional podcast - just like his book. Thank you.

[@bragas85]

Fantastic interview! Very insightful. I agree with having to become almost disgusted with something in order to not want to consume something. After smoking for 20 years I read the book Chris mentions (the Easy way to quit smoking) and 2 years I haven't touched tobacco and have zero desire to ever again.

[@kerry-annmcpadden1952]

Wow... The greatest, empowering, most insightful podcast I've heard. I will share this with my siblings and aim for a productive unity with them all.

[@BobSkiz1]

Love the irony of plugging an ultra-processed HUEL in this video. I'd love to know what Chris thinks of it

[@missyme2673]

I've never listened so intently listen to a conversation about health and diet as I did here. Chris, you spell it out so simply and clearly articulating something that can and does kill us. We must change the narrative about food and we are all responsible. You've really given me food for thought (no pun intended!) . You are so spot on about health choices and affordability, thank you for your words of wisdom and might I say, encouragement? Mmm that Chicago Town pizza... I treat myself to no more than four of those a year.. 😊❤

[@darkmater4tm]

Best advice I ever came across: Read the ingredients label. If you don't know what the food is made of, you will only know what it tastes like. You will choose whatever tastes better.

[@follantic]

I love that there's evidence for letting your senses guide you towards the foods you need.

[@TheHelenhunter]

Yeah so true. I noticed in myself without anybody ever telling me about it. And not only senses but even just intrinsic intuition/attraction.

[@follantic]

@@TheHelenhunter Absolutely, listen to your body! Its predecessors have been around. And if it's telling you to eat crap, ask it what it really means.

[@naawi90]

Great podcast. We are being fed rubbish so we become ill and then another industry can treat us. Just a product in the money making game. Thank you for sharing this knowledge so we can make better choices 💛

[@mirandaandrea8215]

Exactly!

[@fw6667]

You are not being fed it you choose to eat it

[@iseenochains-oops7863]

​@fw6667 not entirely true. For my first 30 years I had no idea of the ingredients that the industry added.

[@bobadams7654]

Totally agree. It's not about health, it's about wealth.

[@mirandaandrea8215]

Absolutely!

[@jose-Maki]

The worrying thing about it all is not being able to 100% say what he wants because of law suits and i think that says it all about the industry.

[@summerh2046]

Did you not know that you cannot criticise the Zionists?

[@jose-Maki]

@@summerh2046 is that a new word you have learn recently😴

[@summerh2046]

Are you triggered?

[@jose-Maki]

@@summerh2046 just pointing out facts. you learn a new word this week and you are using it, nothing wrong with that

[@summerh2046]

Cool story, Zionist.

[@andreadahan6813]

Wow!!! Wonder- full!! Felt fully engaged. He comes across as a very genuine compassionate and generous man. Loved this conversation from beginning to end 🩵

[@cynthiaj.wagner1807]

Thank you again for an excellent interview. I watch this show often (yes I'm subscribed) and the guests are excellent. Love and light to all...I know life is a struggle for many of us!

[@dikennard4313]

What a treat, thank you for interviewing Chris. I had the privilege of meeting him at a BBC diet programme when I was having a melt down about being so big. He is just like he was with you in RL, kind wonderful soul who gets it. A pleasure to see and hear you two together thank you 🙏

[@kathleenking47]

In 1975, they started adding CORN SYRUP to vokes and Pepsi's Before that, the used CANE SUGAR

[@justintockey4774]

My wife and I are Americans w/ three kids and we try to be very intentional with our food and exercise knowledge and behavior. It was interesting to hear the different sides of the argument for willpower because we often discuss how, in America, willpower can only take you so far because of the saturation and cultural appropriation of junk food. We like to think of "willpower" as a finite mental resource that can atrophy as quickly as burning out a muscle when doing a lifting exercise. Therefore, I enjoyed your guest's take of the American environment playing a role in American obesity... I often use the metaphor of "it's insanity to soak a cucumber in brine and think it WON'T become a pickle".

[@leesiahng]

Thank you for your comment, i love the pickle metaphor and it does help remind us to be more conpassionate, even to ourselves. I moved from a blue zone country to a country with a rising obesity/diabetes problem and was it tough to see my weight creep up.

[@faux-nefarious]

We’re all pickles!! 😂 (No but seriously, nice metaphor, it encapsulates the issue well)

[@greenknitter]

​@@leesiahngI can imagine it must be hard to lose so much leaving a Blue Zone for whatever you gain moving to your new country. I know the reasons for longevity in Blue Zones are not just about food quality but also culture, respect for elders, low stress environment, moving the body naturally daily, having a garden and so on. Things we've lost so much in Western developed nations and things money cannot alone buy.

[@lauras.1183]

I wish there was a transcript written to download as I make notes of the interviews on health but is a bit difficult sometimes 😅 thank you for bringing such a cool guests

[@claurestrepo1561]

I absolutely loved this episode, what a great conversation, I enjoyed every second of it. Great guest, Steven, thanks again for this wonderful Podcast, I have learned and enjoyed every episode’s immensely.

[@nkaloyanov]

I've cut 80% of my junk food intake over the last two-three months, with some lapses. I've added moderate weightlifting workouts 2-3 times a week. I've gone from 114.5KG (252lbs) to 105.3KG (232lbs). And we are talking about a small routine change. I haven't gone wild or went working out 5-6 times a week. I've had a brain tumor removed in 2020 and the 5-6 months using corticosteroids, plus 2.5 years on anticonvulsants made my a fluff ball. And COVID, as well as the poor diet which consisted at least 3 cans of coke per day + chips and other junk caused most of the trouble.

[@spanglelime]

Congratulations, that is a great result! I am just starting to make an active effort on changing my diet and exercise. My knee is in such bad shape I've taken up swimming again bc it's a full body workout and I enjoy it. Keep up the great work 🙂

[@ReflectedMiles]

That is not to your credit at all if you believe this video. Personal responsibility is nothing; it's just about social justice, however someone wishes to define that. 🙄 (By the way, congratulations from the real world!)

[@raulthepig5821]

@@ReflectedMiles Please explain.

[@ReflectedMiles]

@@raulthepig5821 Start at 01:05 and he explains it flatly right from the beginning. It is very poorly done analysis and philosophy, but that sums it.

[@raulthepig5821]

@@ReflectedMiles I see what you mean. All talk no science.

[@JCKay]

Our 8 year old Autistic daughter is a HUGE fan of Dr. Chris and his brother, Dr. Xand from the show "Operation Ouch"! ❤ She is obsessed with learning about the human body because of their wisdom. Whenever she asks us a question about the human body, we look up "Operation Ouch" to see if Dr. Chris & Dr. Xand have an answer. So when I was watching THIS podcast, she looked up at me, hearing Chris' voice and said "Operation Ouch!" Thank you for all that you do, Dr. Chris, for this fabulous information, and for bringing our girl comfort. ❤❤❤

[@yvonne3903]

Maybe one day she will go to medical school, xx

[@JCKay]

@@yvonne3903 🙏🥰

[@veronicagreenaway6842]

Look into the Keto diet and then progress to Carinavor, it's an amazing life style and will so help your little daughter ❤

[@yvonne3903]

@@veronicagreenaway6842 my grandson is on the spectrum and he's already vearing towards high red meat, always wants steak 🥩

[@lisabeaumont]

There are lots of doctors on KZbin now talking openly about fixing autism with diet - it's a nutrition issue.

[@AncaFit]

This interview is amazing, I appreciate so much Dr. Chris Van Tulleken!

[@brian1204]

Another fascinating and important topic. I don’t find all of your podcast topics compelling, but those I do, and listen to, are gems.

[@pastoral_landscape]

I read the book Ultra Processed People at about the same time I was getting abstinent in FA. Four months later I’m down 40 lbs (166-123, 5’7) by weighing and measuring my meals. My daily food changes some, but here’s what I’m eating today: 6 oz wild blueberries 1 oz rolled oats 8 oz 2% Greek yogurt 4 oz ground Turkey 6 oz Brussels sprouts 6 oz sweet potato 6 oz chopped cucumber 2 tablespoons olive oil 1 banana 4 oz pork loin 6 oz cooked spinach 6 oz brown rice 8 oz chopped cucumber 2 tablespoons olive oil 1 apple No sugar no flour no artificial sweeteners; no unlimited quantities; daily prayer & meditation; 3 phone calls a day to other people who care about me; daily call with a sponsor. I loved the book and it helped motivate me when I was starting program, but I would not have been able to follow through on my own. It’s called Food Addicts In Recovery Anonymous.

[@sophierob5309]

I'm familiar with FA. There are alot of good things about the programme. Wish you well.

[@11235Aodh]

Oil is ultra processed and absolutely not needed or healthy for us.

[@steve00alt70]

123lbs is really low for your height

[@FUEGOSTARR]

@@steve00alt70i agree

[@MsCGarnica]

​@steve00alt70 May be a woman with a smaller build.

[@ShyiaRobinson]

As I am on my health journey, I stopped buying a lot of processed foods. I cooked whole food meals and I could see a slimmer difference in just a week. After that I had some sort of processed snack and it tasted super artificial and it was a huge turn off. I also realized how sugary and salty other foods were. It’s crazy how they’re slowly killing ppl and ppl don’t even see it. I also grew up on highly processed foods and I truly feel like bc my body was more sensitive than others that that processed foods messed with my hormones and I got my period at 9 years old.

[@oneleggoalie]

...addiction to the flavouring...additives and wheat itself has been documented before...I viewed a talk by a certain Dr. William Davis and Dr. Robert Lustig a while back that covered this idea and you may want to dabble. 😐

[@harryturnbull1884]

Oh, you took personal responsibility? But hes just told us it doesn matter, its irrelevant. You must be truly amazing!

[@user-qw4sj7ky5n]

In 6 months you'll see real difference

[@anweshakar146]

Same!

[@TheIloveme9]

People that are poor do NOT HAVE to eat poorly!! I was raised in very low poverty, but my mother always emphasized the importance of healthy balanced food- a lot of veggies. It’s very possible to still eat healthy with very very little money- it’s just what you choose to focus on and choose to eat. We nearly always had a garden

[@peacefulisland67]

These kinds of podcasts are totally my jam these days (fructose free?). Over the years I've come to realize there is no magic bullet in my personal experiences or for the wider population unless we're talking about very strict and basic physics. Even then there are exceptions. If 100 people break their femurs probably the approach to mend is the same, but there is no guarantee the outcomes will be the same. Immune issues, home life, economics, self esteem, trust and many other things come into play, even if everyone is given the same care and instructions. A broken bone and pain will get one's attention. When it comes to ingesting sustenance, things get more complicated. Where I work in grocery, people with access and means, with what seems like healthy dispositions fill their baskets with much more non-food than food, and they complain about the cost (this well before the current larger economic world wide struggles). It might be helpful to ask why, as consumers, we've devalued food so much over the last 50+ years. We used to be willing to spend over 17% of our income on food, and that's dropped to less than 10%. What's redirected our spending patterns? And why have our relationships with our respective bodies gotten so bad that we don't care what goes into them? The food industry has some responsibility to be sure, but we've created it by buying into it. And we bought in because we abandoned our mental, emotional and spiritual health. We can't help but affect one another living side by side as we do. By the time the 70's rolled around, the accumulation of unattended outcomes of wars, famines, economic collapses, disease and familial/religious abuses was at a tipping point. We could have chosen to dive in and heal; instead, we did the very human and understandable 3-year-old without secure attachment thing and began not just eating the marshmallow, but increasing our addictive patterns to the detriment of our earthly home, our health care systems, education, spiritual transmission and even knowing how to just sit. We made this. Come out of it quickly, if you're able. If not, remember slower is faster for most of us in the long run. Many people also have come to depend on us for our habits to pay their bills, so pulling the rug out too fast will have repercussions.

[@elyranch1902]

Funny af to watch the Huel ad in the middle of this particular episode 😂

[@karencurtis6141]

You have an amazing job, your guests also amazing. I’m a 60 year old junk fed person my Father pasted when I was 5 and sweets cakes ice cream chips ..were given as comfort even though we were actually fine. Chocolate was my favourite, everyone around said you shouldn’t eat it , Diet Coke you shouldn’t drink it so I did more…. But listening to this makes me feel food and almost everything I eat , is going to make me gag ……. I going to listen to this again tomorrow while I do my shopping and my change for my health is starting 8.30 in the morning. Thanks to both of you for a great podcast.

[@sunnypike9619]

I must say, I love this podcast. Steven highly reminds me of my youngest son, Sebastien. He is very thoughtful in his use of words, and careful in word placement as to not leave anyone feeling judged, unliked, or feel threatened by him. It is a feeling of thinking clearly, and kindly sharing a personality using his own life as an example, and never negating anyone about any choice they make inherently. In regards to Chris, I love the way you are just so careful in your words and use of knowledge, as to educate- minus the pointing finger. The process is brought home in the statement regarding "being told to wash dishes, by someone else./ vs. getting up voluntarily to do a task that benefits everyone with love in your heart.. to accomplish a group goal- something as small as dish washing.. It must be accomplished.-YES. However, the way in which you think of the task in influenced greatly by the people around us. For me, as a parent, when my child would say.. "My friend's parents give him an allowance/ for doing chores"...(for example..) My answer to that, was always, "You live here. I live here. We are all responsible for our home, and we all must take care of it." I did not reward chores as some task like a job. I insisted it was normal to keep your home clean, and tidy, and that is the responsibility of all us as a family. With relation to that- my home was pretty well spotless. My son was to keep his room tidy, clean his own bathroom, after being shown a few times the way to do it properly. And he was left to make sure this is done, and not rewarded other than words of thanks and praise. EX: "Wow, that is really spotless. I appreciate how clean you are in general. That is very respectable and lovely to be this way." We make jokes about "Cleanliness is close to Godliness." And when a guest were on their way, I would generally instruct: "To clean the house, as if the President were coming now." That turned into a family joke, a beloved saying..."Is the house ready for the President?" Oh, YES. And always a laugh. Laughing with your kids is important, as well as being present, and taking the time to listen without distractions. Sitting at the table for dinner with no television or phones allowed. Music may play, as long as it is not distracting. Letting every person allow time to speak and be genuinely listened to, builds self confidence.

[@butching6665]

Great chat and message. Thank you both. I saw C Van T's talk at the Royal Institute which I can (also) recommend, which is now on YT.

[@carolinewilson1505]

What a wonderful, wonderful conversation between two people that I admire. I had already read Chris' book and have been working on reducing UPF since reading it. But as ever, listening to this in conversation adds depth to the meaning of the book. Thank you Chris and Steven for an enjoyable, informative conversation that needs to go far and wide.

[@oliverstuart]

All of this is good stuff, but the bit that really caught me was the bit about embracing food prep. I'm a British person living in Spain and while they have similar problems with junk food and obesity in sections of the population, a food based culture is still very evident. Extended families will still gather together, and food prep is part of the day, not just the consumption of it. Fiestas celebrating whichever food us currently in season, food and veg markets in villages, not just 'farmers markets' in the richer parts of town that I remember from the UK. In Europe Italy, France Portugal, Spain and others I'm sure still keep these cultures which from my experience seems to be diminishing in the UK.

[@sarahmcavan9146]

Such a brilliant interview absolutely loved every minute so informative ❤

[@tanyanall8247]

Excellent podcast topic and conversation!! My only criticism is for Chris to make sure that he maintains his volume throughout his speaking. I am listening to most of these podcasts in my car and he trails off heavily at the end of most of his sentences. I have continually adjusted the volume in my car audio to try and get all of the wonderful information. Great job overall.

[@abr369]

Perhaps the greatest thing about your podcasts - for me - is that the conversations are genuine. Yes, I'm sure you edit, but the essence IS genuine. And in today's conversation, it was the fact that two very intelligent, hard-working, socially aware and hopeful people were discussing the needs of society in a way that all of us can understand and do something about. Thank you.

[@Andrinni0]

what a great down to earth guy...with simple and transparent suggestions and explanations, great interview and such a great character!

[@mabee221]

The washing up explanation it’s my biggest regret. I realize I’ve done it to my daughter all her life which is the reason she has such problems. Thank you for putting into words that feeling I had with my own mom, also, and I’m trying to step back and let her go.

[@MillyMolz]

The end was so wholesome. 🤗 Thank you for this conversation, you two.

[@recumbentrocks2929]

Great discusion guys. Love the work Chris is doing. Can't help thinking it is going to be an uphill fight to get the food industry to label it's products honestly.

[@laoisefitz1934]

This is an incredible talk and very well explained as well as being very balanced and cautious! congratulations to all the team on both your end & Chris'

[@chrissenior11]

6 years ago I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. I looked to Diabetes UK for dietary advice and was surprised at the amount of starchy foods they recommended. But I followed the advice. I also checked my blood sugars and realised that every time I ate a meal according to their advice my blood sugars went up. So I cut out all the starchy foods and my blood sugars started a rapid downward trend. Within 3 months my fasting blood sugar was down to about 5 and I'd lost at least 25 kilos. Last year I spent several weeks in hospital and I was shocked to discover that the diabetic diet option there was also high in starchy foods. I've long been puzzled at this persistence to stick with a policy that at first glance seems silly and in practice produces negative results. There's now a considerable amount of evidence out there that the vast majority of Type 2 Diabetes sufferers can put their diabetes into remission by following a low carb diet but that still seems top not get the publicity it deserves. It fits with the continued push of ultra processed foods I'm afraid. I had a lightbulb moment when Chris listed the sponsors of organisations like Diabetes UK.

[@stellardiamond5349]

There is a lot of misconception about the low carb concept putting diabetes into remission... type 2 diabetes is mainly characterised by persistent high levels of insulin resistance and an inability for the pancreas to make sufficient insulin to maintain blood sugar levels at a normal level. It is great that you are able to control your blood sugars by following a low carb diet but that does not mean that your diabetes is in remission, this is something you can only check with a proper glucose tolerance test to see how your body is metabolising and dealing with glucose.

[@cindybrown7527]

I follow a high starch diet and it reversed my diabetes. The key is non processed carbs. I eat mainly potatoes, rice, corn, beans, grains - all without adding fat or sugar and not grinding them down. It’s fat that causes insulin to be ineffective and it can’t send the glucose into the cell so more insulin has to be excreted and you become resistant. So eat a baked potato but without butter, cheese, sour cream or bacon. Eat corn on the cob without butter. No fat in beans, eat whole grains with chopped tomatoes, onions, all greens. I don’t eat carbs with fat or ground down into powder. I’m healthier than ever and take no medication.

[@chrissenior11]

I guess that just shows how we all have different reactions to different foods- If I eat starchy foods it shows up next day in my fasting blood sugar. If you follow the ketogenic advice then fat is the one group that doesn't lead to a blood sugar increase whereas excess carbs or proteins will trigger a rise in blood sugars and a resulting release of insulin.@@cindybrown7527

[@yungamurai]

I’m Type 1 Diabetic and stay away from carbs as much as possible, I eat mainly meat, eggs, greens etc and have very good glucose stability.

[@MaxWinterLeinweber]

​@@stellardiamond5349eating and sticking to a low carb diet would keep the disease at bay. Far less sugar intake would mean your body using up all excess sugar in the body, insulin levels thus regulating and insulin resistance will going down. If you keep that up then your body will stay in that state😊

[@SimonWad]

One of your best guests ever.A balanced, considered, scientific opinion.

[@bearvincent]

Your main sponsor Huel is also ultra processed

[@jennifercottrell2588]

Have always been confused about food. Twenty years ago, thought was addicted to food but it didn't make sense. Today, I am sure, I am addicted to food! Catch myself going from one moment to the next, feeling a hunger, seeking a taste. Also, if I eat something am addicted to, seek that food again right away, as much as possible. Use food to sooth loneliness, and emotions. Clearly, something is going on there.

[@shashoe]

I experienced something similar I believe- a never ending hunger, some foods in the cupboard were actually irresistible… I struggled with being overweight for some years as well , also diagnosed with PCOS…. I now have none of those issues, all that helped me was weighing myself each morning (never counting calories) and just paying attention to every processed food I ate, that got me down to using some simple sauces (soy sauce), soy milk with no sugar added and tofu/tempeh. The rest of my diet is whole nuts (no salt or oil) , fresh berries , and large salads of spring greens with beans and raw veggies added before dinner , which is all whole foods with very limited and simple sauces and finally- almost always a highly processed treat (portion controlled) for dessert. The fun part is that last treat no longer affects me emotionally, I enjoy it, don’t want more after and sometimes its bedtime before I remember its there.

[@greenknitter]

​@@shashoeYour diet is quite similar to mine-tempeh with miso broth, beans and greens is so quick and easy to make. I love chocolate and cheesecake and have a sweet tooth, so to cut out UPFs from desserts or treats what I've substituted after my dinner are a couple of soft dried figs with a little peanut butter to "wrap the carb" with fats and lower the glucose spike a la Glucose Goddess Jessie Inchauspé, a square of good quality dark chocolate, and a variety of nuts. It satiates my desire for sweet, but is a healthier choice than my previous ones.

[@anncarroll5580]

Can relate to wanting food all the time, didn’t matter how much I ate,I could always eat more!! Intermittent fasting cured me of that!!

[@Hrtn4Love]

Brilliant. Thank you. Knowledge provides power to switch.

[@fbia3651]

As much as I’m so grateful of having so much useful information from all this interviews and be so more aware now of so many subjects of my daily life, I fell more and more vulnerable and depressive, for the fact 1) that is a bombarding of information on my brain that its not taken by a live conversation but by screen watching 2) even knowing I cannot control it anyway, 3) being a single mum with poor time and low income in a city, it’s nearly impossible not buy industrialised food for all reasons this interview mentioned 4) even when the discussion it’s about adhd with all info now we have we can’t help but feell depressed as I can’t have access to a brain scan and top treatment like you + plus the few Drs we go and see to look for even second opinion are sooooo average and Dont know of see ir half of infor we get from these studies or neuroscience for example. So it’s extremely frustrating I wonder if would be better I don’t know it…. 😢

[@rcjdeanna5282]

I agree...I like history and geography lessons on diet. For instance in 1939 the British tested a diet of mostly vegetables in large amounts (not 'sides') with bread...butter and sugar and meat, eggs, were severely rationed. The diet worked very well...plenty of protein, vitamins, and minerals and plenty of farting from beans. The recipe creativity was amazing.

[@TamaraParrisehs]

100 percent bang on about the financial barriers to making food choices - when fruit and vegetables are affordable we purchase however when it costs 5.99 for lettuce, 4.50 for 12 eggs, 6.99 for pound of grapes, 3.49 for one cucumber - well you can do that math. It becomes quickly not affordable to purchase healthy food, and agree the logic is if I have to pay household expenses - top things to pay are rent, electricity etc - food get to be on the "what can we afford this month" list. It is a shame but very true.

[@debbiewright8452]

Do Aldi and Lidl not help?

[@genealthompson5146]

I was shocked to hear that some households only have a microwave oven. I really learned so much today with this podcast. Our younger generation is so challenged! Thank you.

[@MonicaLelarge]

Thank you so much to both. amazing conversation and great work Chris.

[@denisebeaulieu8381]

Quelle excellente et intéressante entrevue! Merci à vous deux!

[@sharonagwu1284]

Thank you so much ☺️ for this I enjoyed listening and learning about the effects I have on my daughter I’m always nagging at her for her food choices and when she chooses to eat which is late at night. My nagging had no effect, it just created tension when we chat. So as a loving mother the best way to help her is to stop caring and let her enjoy eating. Just be supportive and be present, and that is my next take from this is the importance of making time for your loved ones, don’t give them the crumbs of your time 😊I ❤ this and I really appreciate the time you spent teaching us. Thank you 🙏

[@melodireyes9687]

This was wonderful. I liked that Cris knew all about Steve - it surprises me when guests say they know nothing about his situation, for example. I have had that experience of thinking about eating something - recently a graham cracker - and suddenly thinking/feeling "this is not food". I am grateful to both of these men for their work in enlightening people to the truth and the better way to live.

[@mvann5]

What is not healthy about graham crackers? Aren't their ingredients pretty simple?

[@NomadicIslanders]

@@mvann5no.. it’s an ultra processed food

[@KizzyParks]

I’m so glad I found this interview.