Phase 4 Druid Healing | Specs, Parsing, Overhealing, and World Buffs | Classic WoW

[@Wanderlust1984]

thanks a ton for sharing your thoughts about this. As the only raiding resto druid in my guild, i dont get druid tips very often and appreciate the hell out of you and your content!

[@Bennyboiiiiiiii]

This is my view as well! love your content !

[@Sleepy_Otter]

One key piece of gear that has made my Moonglow spec healing much more impactful is Wushoolay's Charm of Nature (the druid trinket assembled from from Edge of Madness boss drops in ZG). My raid has 2 resto druids - the other one wears 8/8 T2 and mainly spams efficient rejuvs for raid healing, while I am assigned to tank healing duties with healing touch spam. Popping Wushoolay's when I know the tank is going to take lots of damage means I get to spam them with 1.8s casts of higher rank healing touches that would otherwise be 3s! My go-to is rank 7, since my mana pool is good and BWL fights go quickly these days thanks to geared and buffed DPS. Max rank on Vael obviously, and I use a GFPP at the same time to prevent pushback from the AoE damage. I'm very glad I took the time and expense to finish the trinket, and it will also be incredibly good for Huhuran's enrage phase in AQ40.

[@Arthurio60]

Sorry to hear about the number of healers in your raid man, back in phase one and two I was always looking at your logs to see how to improve, made me realize what I was doing wrong, really appreciated. I'm in a raid with 9 healers 5 of em resto shamans, even with that fact I'm at 98.9 parse, Arthurio-Grobbulus, love your content always looking forward to the next vid. Wish that u you can have fun in raid again.

[@Vandarks]

I play deep resto swiftmend and It's working pretty well for me. I can keep a rejuv on the tanks and use swiftmend on them whenever large damage is taken. This way my heals don't get sniped, and the rejuv on a tank actually gets to heal due to the constant damage taken. Slap some rejuv's on warlocks and R3 healing touch for spot healing the raid. Healing as resto druid has definitely become more challenging with other healers getting more geared and leaving less room for us slow healing druids to get heals in on time.

[@nmisteli7385]

lucky guy i wish i was allowed to use rejus on non casters :(

[@d0k0night]

Lucky for you that no other druid in your raid has higher +healing and/or you guys have communicated beforehand not to snipe each other Rejuvs. Because all it takes is a pug to overwrite your Rejuv and now you can't Swiftmend that target anymore. We just have to accept that there is no way we can beat shamans with their chain heal.

[@ianhackettjunior198]

@@d0k0night you can swiftmend another druid's hot

[@trisnics]

Thanks for making this video. I've been feeling really bad about my druid healing lately. I didn't even look at my parses for the longest time because the percentages are really depressing. We run with 4-5 shaman and the heal lead is one and they REFUSE to get Healcomm because it "makes their parses look worse". Awhile back I had someone criticizing my parses and I explained look at my decursing numbers etc (which are way higher than everyone else) plus I do this stuff fast but that never really seemed relevant and the suggestion was for me to use higher ranks for my healing spells (as I use like HT rank 3 and 4 mostly with more in my bar if needed) - but my healing is mostly overhealing as it is. Also when I got an opportunity to heal properly on Ouro with the mages/locks and only me not only did a parse a 99.9% but nobody died. I love my guild otherwise but this is all so frustrating. I started also raiding on the alliance side as a lock as well where I can feel like my effort actually does something. I also continuing to do healing in PVP and am also leveling a priest for PVP healing since I already ranked my druid to 14. My guild leader has given permission for me to do a duel spec thing where I can DPS on fights where I otherwise feel completely useless but I need to limit the gear so the regular casters can have things first. So at this point, I have to decide If I just keep going and ignoring the parses or go down this route with my druid. :(

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah, totally get how you feel, it can be really frustrating! Good luck with the dual spec route, and sounds like the warlock is fun for you which is great!!

[@Sleepyjackable]

This makes me feel better. My raid has 3 resto druids (including me) and we're all beasts. I hated it at first but I really like the other two druids now. But ever since we started doing fast runs of BWL I've noticed that our parses have gone down. I guess that's because all our resto shamans go their tier bonuses and spam CH to win. Our priests also snipe our heals on main tanks. It's fucking rough. I have about 900 +healing and I feel like I have a hell of a time out healing the other classes. Only fights I can blow people out of the water are things like Ony, Nef, and Chromag because of their predictable damage spikes. I can queue up a higher rank HT or regrowth to just obliterate the meters (I know meters don't show everything. But when I'm top healing and top decurse on Nef, I feel pretty good!) Anyway, i rolled a shaman that's about to hit 60 so that'll probably become my main raid healer and I'll just go full feral so I can actually enjoy druid for a change!

[@J8D8]

Missing out on Javels Balance / Resto way of playing. A great hybrid like HoTW/NS just focuing on Spell damage and caster stuff instead of feral stuff. Super good in open world and possible healing too

[@Taurenfan1]

I feel you. I got tired of being heal sniped by our priests and having to compete with the other resto druid for whose HoT would be on who and switched to being a boomkin. Takes a lot of consumables and with near BiS I am still pulling merely decent DPS.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah balance is pretty fun, at least it gets a nice buff in TBC!

[@VirusVanquisher]

Your video is spot on. I have been in 3 different great guilds, 2 broke apart and I left the 3rd very hardcore guild. Composition is everything! If there are 4+ shaman chain healing, you will do almost nothing and will be a buff bot. My last guild was very hardcore and all melee were expected to be at buff cap and I could not cast HoTs...there was NO point in bringing me. They would have been better off having feral druid buff everyone and bring another shaman or priest. I love my druid and play one in retail as well but in classic at this point I feel like it has been a fun ride but going further is not appealing. I achieved my goal of 8/8 T2 and am happy to wait till TBC. Would rather continue raiding on my lock in classic at this point.

[@lolWillieP]

Yep. This video explains my exact experience as an rdruid in BWL. Here’s to hoping all these flash healers and parse lords run oom in the longer fights in AQ :)

[@augustogoncalves5350]

Im using Regrowth Spec combined with 5/8 T2 bonus, I manly use Regrowth Rank 3 and whenever procs Natures Grace (almost all the time) I cast a HT Rank 3(1.5 sec cast), and Regrowth Rank 6 on players with 50% health. Doing great in BWL and MC, its a fun rotation becase u need to be aware when u NG is up.

[@n.hippyfizz]

I'm using the same rotation and I'm planning to change something, I'm planning to change build at all, it you die regroth build is totally useless

[@michailxirouchakis8407]

Thanks for the video m8.

[@illfate757]

This is depressing to hear, because I've been going through the same thing and I am alliance side, we have 12 healers and 2 are resto druids. It's really lame/boring but it was better initially when I we all had less gear and also the buff cap makes it annoying to heal the tanks. I switched to regrowth spec to see/try to have more fun but it still doesn't matter much and it's so mana hungry for the length of fights. I've thought about quitting the game all together because rerolling isn't a option even having 4 level 60s

[@zuzapalula]

I've missed this kind of content

[@keithlistlll6002]

Was wondering if you could make a pre raid bis for phase 5 I just started playing and I want to get some gear to start raiding ASAP

[@ThatGuyInACU]

I’m sorry to hear about your poor experiences. My guild has had trouble getting shaman healers after a few of our’s quit over the last 3 months so I am able to heal our raid decently well which is a blessing and a curse. I think part of your problem is how hardcore your guild is, the content isn’t so hard that you really need to get full buffs. I totally understand why people do it, and I imagine it can be enjoyable to clear quickly and parse well, but I think overall I prefer my guild’s style. The experience has been much better as a Druid in a semi-casual guild. My guild has no requirements in terms of buffs or consumes other than the bare minimum like mana pots so I am able to use hots if I want(usually I don’t because another Druid has more +healing than me but that’s another story). I am personally specced moonglow and exclusively main tank heal with rank 4 ht most of the time and then cancel casting larger hts in fights where damage is more bursty rather than steady. Healing can be boring and there are some fights where I just get sniped the whole time but I think that is really unavoidable with flash heal being the way it is. From what I know about AQ the fights seem to have a lot more raid damage so I imagine that there will be a lot more targets to heal all around. There us druids will shine with our mana efficiency and utility I firmly believe. I’m very interested in going swiftmend at some point so I’d love to see a video talking about when/if you should use it. You were my biggest inspiration to play healing Druid and I hope you can continue to make Druid content in the future!

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah I think semi casual guilds make healing as a druid more enjoyable! Hopefully AQ is a bit more fun overall!

[@Maybenice86]

reason why i stopped my druid all together, Tired of literally hearing every single raid how awesome our main priest is, after he gets fed innervate permanently since we sadly have 3 druids healing. Tired of not beein allowed to actually use my kit but spamming 1 button all raid long. Tired of feeling useless. I dropped horde all together atm, went paladin and i swear the healing feels like release. Flash of light with roughly 400 addheal and topping the metres, beein able to react fast and adapt and so much more feels so relieving

[@sonkiucdort]

thats why i rerolled warlock

[@sloppiipapi5648]

I had the same problem and then I went NG with 5 in improved regrowth and now me and the main priest are leaving the paladins in the dust by like 100k overall healing. It honestly slaps.

[@sloppiipapi5648]

The priest still beats me more often than not, but it's really not by much. just don't hot the tank with full buffs and nobody cares if you spam R4 regrowth.

[@The0nlyy]

Druid is definitely a complex class that provides all kinds of utility in unconventional places. Paladin is definitely a better choice for most of the player base who doesn’t quite know how to capitalize on all the strengths of the Druid toolkit. Glad you are having fun spamming R1 Flash of Light!

[@sloppiipapi5648]

Druid is not complex. I hit like 8 buttons during a raid and parse 90+ consistently. Priest is complex.

[@johanlahti84]

I have tried all these specs in classic. The most fun for me is regrowth. Pref. paired with ony/nef buff, dmt, songflower and zg buff. It's mana intensive but i feel so gimped with only ht-spam. And the reduced 0.5 sec cast from natures grace is so good. Moonglow felt like a gimped version of regrowth. Those 30% extra crit really does it for me

[@sarahshearman9227]

Who has time to collect all those buffs every week without being killed by the other faction 😩

[@itsLeoAngelol]

Sensei Ebbn at it again with solid Resto Druid content.

[@lordappelmeos]

I switched from raidgroup to a more sirious one and felt my heals lowering as a druid, didint know why, now i know. ty for explaining

[@runek12]

My druid is lvl 54 atm, this video didn't get me to psyched lol, the buff limit is a bit of a bummer for sure.

[@Riley-ri5tl]

Nice vid, good to hear your thoughts about the class and spec in general as someone just about to get into raiding. Currently hotw/ns so I might see if I can get away with not respeccing since I'll be doing mostly pugs and playing with friends.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah I think its a solid build as long as youre okay with slightly less healing output. But its not much worse but far more versatile!

[@ubahboo]

I’m in a good guild and I’m the only Druid. Usually I’m in the top 5 healers and I find my tool kit really helps the ready like in suppression room and innervate for our 1st in the world ele shammy *boom*

[@spikesbebop36]

I found that you really need A LOT of gear if you actually want to tank using hotw spec. This might work if you're in a group with newer players, but if you have 2 or 3 dps that have half decent gear, you're going to lose threat pretty fast if you try tanking without the 5 points that you get from "Natural Weapons" in the Balance tree. It's a fun spec nonetheless.

[@E5135]

thank you for your content ebn !

[@Winerek5]

What raid frames are you using and do you use any healing addons?

[@davidkonheim6543]

What addon do you use for your raid frames? They look really good

[@BlackBirds93]

Can't wait for you to start covering TBC stuff

[@bunbox5010]

It's so weird looking at WoW and seeing 99 percentile HPS/Healing being a good thing, its funny though since back when I was raiding in vanilla through to cata it just never really clicked in my head that it could really be any otherway and it took a good while after swapping to FFXIV before kind of clicked that minimising healing to the lowest possible value without impairing overall raid dps so to maximise DPS output from healers could be something that could be an engaging and challenging thing. I'm back in WoW now after 7 years in XIV and having parsed in both games, it still blows my mind in how despite how near identical the games are at their foundations, they are so different in optimisation goals in endgame for top level parsing.

[@Drakshl]

Idk, if your only talking about classic sure but in retail myself and many other healers I know play for DPS. I don't even raid at a super high level, but blasting whilst keeping your raid up is both satisfying AND the best thing you can do to help your raid clear the content. I know some healers who don't feel this way sure but I don't really get it. Are classic players not like this? I play classic super casually so I'm not really aware of the healer meta at the top

[@bunbox5010]

@@Drakshl Sure but I was meaning more that in WoW its an optimisation that some do and is something as doing "extra" while not actually factored into DPS requriements of content. Like in XIV for example, having a high healing parse is seen as the sign of a *bad* player. The goal is to do the lowest possible amount of healing without causing your raid to have to lose DPS due to playing things excessively safe or spending GCDs on non damaging abilities. Whats interesting though is at its core, the two games are identical, but this behaviour emerges mainly due to the differences in how enrage/berserk is handled between them.

[@aaronshadowhunter656]

You can also use hots on hunter pets, i typicaly dont run out of mana so i spared a few gcds reguving pets, the hunters love me now

[@Mookoojin]

Definitely all depends on your raid comp. I am a full resto hots Druid but I do very well, we have a main tank healing Druid that just spams healing touch and I raid heal blanketing the raid with rejuv’s. We do have 4 shaman 3 of them are chain healing but i still manage. Speed raiding is a lot harder but when we are just enjoying the raid that’s where we can shine. Look me up Healingfool - Ashkandi

[@kevKoN1337]

Nice vid. Maybe a spec of the week series :D?

[@kevKoN1337]

Due to world bosses and zg i am currently specced into hotw and even skipped NS. Our heal environement is somewhat competitve and if i want to be in the Top 3 of the meter i usually have to play against the druids efficency strength. Since we're doing some speedrunning and parsing too the issue of Buffslots has come up in our Raid too. After the fix that leg+helmet enchants do not take up any buffslots, we have agreed with our tanks that if they are worried about losing buffs they should skip out on 1-2 defensive consumables. Usually no Buffs are pushed off MTs in our raid even when priests give them their buffs too.

[@kevKoN1337]

*We are usually running with 10-13 healers on alliance side

[@floppybanana4517]

How does swiftmend do right now and in the future? My guild had me go from HOTW/NS to swiftmend since we have 2 druids with moonglow/ns and imp regrowth. It seems like from raid to raid i either do amazingly or really bad :(

[@Myersboii]

Just wait for BC :)

[@Ebbnflow]

I like swiftmend for pvp, don't use it often enough in pve when I would spec it. It comes down to playstyle and what youre used to as well, its not bad though!

[@Mcspazz731]

I consistently parse 80-90+ and the other swiftmend druid in my raid also parses 90+ average (Alliance) but we can use regrowth/rejuv at our leisure as normally our tanks aren't buff capped ( excluding vael). Depends on the style of guild but the throughput is insane if you are a dedicated tank healer edit: and the added benefit of being good in group pvp as well

[@blakebarnes-james5778]

I personally think deep Resto is very strong ATM even with shamans/pally snipes. I've recently switched from regrowth to deep Resto about 1 month ago and I still have the same heal output as my regrowth build parsing around the 95s. We run 2 druids (both similar parses), our tanks are buff capped except 1 slot for rejuv and we will not touch the tanks with regrowth. I think if you're sitting at 700+ healing and you have multiple regrowth druids or even if your by yourself - consider going deep resto

[@NoksUndKutten]

Tbh I feel like I'm gimping myself if I don't choose swiftmend between SM and Moonglow NS. Regrowth is a different story

[@sjisx]

What raidframes so you use?

[@Dobbj]

Thank you very much for this :)

[@lancetonsow]

well, if you want to parse to the pink in a competitive raid, the ONLY way I think is the 1.3s Regrowths 75%+ of the time, i.e. with Nature's Grace and Improved Regrowth*5, that means you can't even take Moonglow. the up side is that if you ARE in a competitive raid, you probably won't need to worry too much about mana efficiency as the boss is likely be down long before you burnt out all your mana after consumables. don't think this style makes very good quality of healing so I don't use it, but it certainly can crank out impressive numbers my current strategy of maintaining a reasonable effective hps is to keep hots and spam fast heals on MT, while dropping Rejuvs on raid members in anticipation of raid damage, snap in NS/HT and Swiftmend when necessary and/or whenever the mana pay out is reasonable, Regrowth / Rk4 HT on large damage targets where fast heals from priests and shamans won't cut it. still, quite difficult when your priests do over 50% of their output on flash heals... I think it's not much at all to call Druids scavenger healers at this stage.

[@ianhackettjunior198]

I'm Moonglow spec and regularly parse pink for MC, and occasionally for BWL. When it comes to tank healing I get 99s fairly often in BWL

[@Shuroro]

Why not deep resto swiftmend? It is great for fast content like we have now.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah you definitely could! I just never tend to play swoftmend in PvE, but if you enjoy it its probably pretty nice to have!

[@Mcspazz731]

Me and the other druid in my raid play this and we consistently parse 80-90+ depending on the fight (Alliance)

[@n.hippyfizz]

@@Mcspazz731 Alliance is much easier to have a better logs because of shamans...

[@mcspirit]

Don't track parses for your healers, have a capable healing leader that knows how to read a fight and that goes through logs if needed to help people out. You are bringing more healers than needed in BWL because you will need them when progressing AQ to stable farm.

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[@sarahshearman9227]

What spec would you recommend for first time 60 Dungs and Raid healing?

[@danguetersloh7499]

Moonglow. It's great when you're limited on mana.

[@m4blizz]

How can you show the rejuvenation icon in raid frames?

[@akashmid]

I'm super late, but here ya go. I use Shadowed Unit Frames (suf) and it looks like that may be the one in the video too. One of the options near the bottom is auras and by messing in there you can get rejuc/regrowth to show up on raid frames if you want. Lemme know if you want more details, took me like 15 mins to figure out with no prior knowledge.

[@Nick-ry2gq]

What raid frames are those?

[@J8D8]

Our guild running 1 moonglow 1 regrowth. Moonglow being on tank and Regrowth on raid. I really enjoy the regrowth. Using R3 R4 R7 HT and R5 R9 Regrowth. Throw in R7 when Nature Grace is op is great. I would go Swiftmend if I start play more pvp(BG's) for Flag carry etc. Otherwise Nature's Grace is best.

[@Ebbnflow]

Yeah its nice to have the different specs for raid if you have more than 1 druid!

[@J8D8]

@@Ebbnflow I have been playing quite a bit of both specs and my honest opinion is that moonglow is ending up overhealing too much. Regrowth issn't. I believe it is because of HT's long cast time. Our moonglow druid is basically only spamming HT on tanks and learned he need a Boss swing timer to predict when he needs to cast etc..

[@bartingon8451]

@@J8D8 By any chance do you know what the add on is for the boss swing timer? I think I could really use that.

[@firesideuprising9315]

So i recently respecced to regrowth build for BWL, and i got the improved thorns talent. It reads i should be getting the boost from my talent on my spell info but when i apply it i get the base version. Anybody know if this bug has been around for awhile?

[@ianhackettjunior198]

Yep that's been around since launch, dont mind the tooltip though, the buffed Thorns is in fact being applied

[@Nizkul]

First. Best druid ever.

[@Brother-Franz]

If You guys RankingI Recommend to play the FC Build I Only Use Max Rank Reju and healing touch rank 3 it works because we have another Druid that focus on Regrowth. I’m not even have the 8 set but my parse is pretty good check out Xarie Fearlina @ Ebnflow

[@matercheff]

Epic

[@BuckingFeast]

Easy raid healing, easy gearing. I like it!

[@HYDRAdude]

I'm alliance and we have access to more buffs than horde, yet my tanks still keep enough buff slots open for rejuv/regrowth/renew. You need to have a talk with your (shitty) tanks to inform them that it's far better for their survivability to have perma-HoTs on them (especially for fights like nef where the healers get feared) than to have juju might or some weak as consumable buff.

[@lanceweekendz]

Your tanks aren't fully world buffed then. It's a thing and healers have to adapt to that.

[@TLI92]

That not how it works. Tanks that are fully world buffed and consumed are doing so to enable the dps who are fully buffed and consumed to do more damaged without pulling threat. If the entire raid is doing more damage the boss dies faster and less healing is required and less chance for the tank to die.

[@blakebarnes-james5778]

Renew is a waste of buff slot. If you're running 2+ druids then in an ideal world you should keep 1 buff slot open for a deep Resto (consider not overlapping rejuvs due to ghost buffs) for the rank 10 rejuv rolling and swifmend. Other than that regrowth and renew should not be used on tanks unless you want angry tanks

[@Xsorus]

Tried healing the raids when MC first started...I just got heal sniped so much it wasn't worth it, We also had multiple Druid Healers back then...I've been running Feral since then...Basically just there to buff our biggest DPS with 3% crit.

[@duramajin3118]

I use swiftmend spec, how much do I suck? lol.

[@Mcspazz731]

swiftmend spec is op. I parse 80+ and other druid in guild parses 90+ every BWL

[@Ebbnflow]

Swiftmend is not bad at all, I just don't use it. No problems with it though!

[@duramajin3118]

@@Mcspazz731 ahh ok cool, I just found it cool as another oh shit button in combination with NS. I also use it to wipe other druids hots of and get mine up lol.

[@duramajin3118]

@@Ebbnflow oh ok cool, got worried it was another one of those classic things that I'd get in trouble for.

[@kostax90]

Going HOTW and 5 points in Tranquil spirit is the best spec for healing i tried so far, why would you put points in impruved rejuv , it does not slcale with healing power and it costs too much mana, with 20% bonus intelect,you can easly have 15k mana with full buffs , with 5x tranquil spirit , lvl 3 healing touch costs 99 mana,and it heals about 800+ with full healing gear,you literaly dont lose mana if you spam lvl 3 lvl 4 healing touch, if you need burst healing you can spam some regrowth , full healing spec widouth t3 gear is bad,too much mana for regrowth and too litle mana pool, yes regrowth crits and reduced cast time is nice,but you cant sustain it for long time ,and healing is never problem since you have 10 more healers with you ,and everyone is overhealing anyway, also getting ZG class trinket,and Hakar head trinket, combined with idol for -0.15 healing touch cast , is insane , it can go into TBC raids easy

[@jonathanquezada687]

no nef mace yet?

[@Rubaontiful]

Yea druids are kinda cucked right now in classic just by how easy the content is... Druids are NOT bad healers we are just slow :/. Flash healing priests and pallys will always snipe us -- unless you go regrowth with 5 set bonus then suddenly you can be the one sniping hahah. Healing parses are just a joke honestly and it sucks because all the DPS and tanks in the raid have something to look forward to every week besides loot (a lot of us are already loot capped for the phase too) but if your raid is clearing relatively fast and most people are world buffed and you have a least 10 competent healers you can't really parse as a healer let alone a druid healer. So you kinda have nothing to show for your efforts of going out and getting all those world buffs before the raid and farming consumes and whatnot other than the satisfaction that your raid went efficiently which I mean I guess for the type of people we as healers tend to be that could be good enough haha. I'm really hoping AQ and Naxx are not just facerolls and that healers will have to adapt their playstyle for longer fights. Tbc will be different for sure though, resto druids are ridiculously mana efficient in tree form and there's mechanics that require you to have a resto druid (silence in gruul) also a higher buff cap/no world buffs means you can hot everyone and lifebloo is OP. Resto druids will shine for sure in TBC not only for PVE but they're one of if not the best class for PVP.

[@monster2slayer]

any serious raiding guild wont allow you to use a regrowth spec because of the buff slots.

[@Sebastian-nq7qm]

"any serious guild" lol, what does this mean? Are you talking about the maybe 0,5% hardcore guilds or what? This guilds wouldn´t even let you in as a heal druid. And for all the other serious guilds which cleared BWL ez first try: Like the other 39 raiders, beside the main tank maybe, are at buff cap while doing BWL. Its a raid heal oriented spec and not for maintank healing.

[@monster2slayer]

@@Sebastian-nq7qm i am a heal druid in one of those guilds :). rangeds could theoretically be hotted, but they take so little dmg that its not worth it. melees are definetely buff capped.

[@NoksUndKutten]

@@monster2slayer "serious raiding guild", I dunno what you define as serious, speedrunning guilds? Is clearing BWL/ZG first ID serious? If yes then lol, we are serious but allow HoTs