6. Raingear, What works to make those rainy days more bearable in the tree!

[@Cmtb125]

Thank you for this video. Sincerely , Morgan

[@joaxe12]

I thank you (and my wallet thanks you 😆) for the Rivers West tip years ago...it works awesome! "Aero" Joe 🦌🏹👍

[@tyler1671]

Lite Wayne. I do that same stuff

[@mr.skeptical3071]

Just looked up scent loc, the hydro therm says it has thinsulate but nothing about primoloft. Also thier windbrace outfit says "breathable" windproof which is exactly the opposite of what you say. What gives?

[@danweaver5787]

I bought a rivers west cascade jacket. It’s not fleece is loud n kinda sucks....

[@danweaver5787]

There’s not a stitch of fleece on it. It’s a piece of shit. Loud n noisy.

[@newgen_oldlifts5389]

How do you care for your bow in between rainy hunts?

[@ramboollie8115]

Man I’m a 100% wool guy , it’s heavy but quite, warm and tough I love it . when the rain comes I wear a waxed canvas poncho works great heavy but effective. I never tried that nice stuff looks good and effective. I been in -15 degrees wool is tried and true. Great videos thanks for your wisdom.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

I'm a merino wool guy as well and of course you can get different weights for differing weather conditions. Wait until I release the show on differing undergarments and discuss the differences between merino wool and regular wool, that is going to get a big response as very few people know why regular wool itches and merino wool doesn't. Merino is also a better insulator in cold and better cooling item when warm. John

[@ramboollie8115]

Gotta love sheep and goats 🐐.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

In one of my videos next year I'm going to talk about why merino wool doesn't itch and regular wool does. It's a very interesting reason.

[@stevegermain1222]

I just went to the river's West site and everything I'm finding says waterproof and breathable I don't think they watched your video

[@Louisiana8critter_getter]

You should definitely market back packs with your design

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

I'm trying to do just that

[@Louisiana8critter_getter]

@@eberhartoutdoors4219 I see the hydrotherm top still for sale but it’s insulated with thinsulate did they change it from primaloft or did you make a mistake?

[@mikefromoh2925]

Awesome info thanks John. I want to get some of this stuff so I can hunt pressured woods in that inclement weather.

[@chadbinette3201]

Only popular hunter I watch and listen to. Mr John Eberhart, and whitetail habitat solutions, Jeff Sturgis maybe? Ironically both from Michigan. So if your wearing all rain gear, do you still wear your scent lock underneath? And have you ever been to the Northeast? I live in Maine and so hunt in Maine. Just curious if you've ever been up this way?

[@V1KTOR33]

Hey chad, I’m from Maine as well and hunt in the mid coast mostly. Wondering if you use scent lock and follow Johns scent control system? If so do you pay attention to wind? Are you killing mature deer? And did you start seeing more deer when you started using scent lock? I’ve been thinking of investing in it. I smoke my cloths and leave them out side for months and have ridged scent control during season. Thanks. Brent

[@2GUYZFISHING]

I used to wear a Scentblocker suit. In 2015, I was up in a tree and I drew on a buck that was 5 yards. It was a calm day and he heard the noise my jacket made. I heard it. He heard it. He was facing straight away and couldn’t see me draw. When he heard it he turned his head around and looked right up at me. That night I went to Dick’s looking for something quiet and bought a fleece jacket. Whisper quiet but not scent “control” approved. Ever since, all I wear is fleece. I pay attention to the wind and try to set my stands in spots with a terrain drop in hill country where my wind will go over their head, even if they come by down wind. With that said, I am still learning every day. I just know that whatever I’m wearing has to be quiet.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Totally agree with the quiet, however you bought a Scent Blocker waterproof suit with a polyurethane membrane and I would also bet it had a micro-fleece exterior which is so this that it doesn't mask the sound of the membrane when you move. ScentLok does make several deep napped fleece suits and my favorite is their Wind Brace suit which is windproof (has a membrane without taped seams) and it has no insulation so you can layer underneath as needed which I like. You're spot on with the deep fleece as it is quiet and comfortable.

[@2GUYZFISHING]

Eberhart Outdoors I do have one Scent Lok early season jacket that I will still wear if it’s not cold out. That one is quiet but that Scent Blocker was for the birds.

[@garyjones5093]

Great job John. I appreciate your knowledge

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Glad it was helpful!

[@frez777]

@@eberhartoutdoors4219 We appreciate all of your years of experience with all of these products. Keep 'em coming Sir.

[@davecoates1956]

Any experience or thoughts on the rivers west Adirondack jacket and pants?

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

The Adirondack is a midweight suit with a fixed hood. A good suit with not a lot of frills. A better suit is the Back Country which is also a midweight suit and it has a removeable hood and a tall stand up collar in the back that cuts down in the front like the Ambush jacket. It costs more though. If you get the Back Country, make sure to get a radial hat to wear in place of the hood.

[@davecoates1956]

@@eberhartoutdoors4219 thanks for the advice. Ill likely check the back country out. I'm looking for good rain gear for late october/early November michigan whitetail.

[@robertgould1477]

I picked up a radial hat at Jays last year and love it. I got a medium which fits nicely. I wish would have picked up a large as well to fit over my thicker full season Scentlok head cover. I got a little cold wearing the thinner head cover under the radial hat during a hunt that down poured and then turned to snow in the evening.

[@nemarec]

John. Have you ever tried Woolrich product? Made in Woolrich PA. It is very warm.

[@walter992]

Just curious given you have shot so many record book bucks. When was your last entry and what state?

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

I'm a scorer for CBM and I only put bucks in the Michigan recordbook and the last 2 were in 2016 and 2017 and they net scored 129 and 139 and grossed in the mid 130's and mid 140's. I score my out of state bucks (have 19 P&Y from out of state) but have never entered them.

[@walter992]

@@eberhartoutdoors4219 That's a pretty impressive public land buck.

[@danweaver5787]

I’d like to get the jacket and pants of the gray fleece. Where can I get it?

[@gordonc615]

Am I the only one who can listen to sage advice for hrs on end? Thanks

[@kylelaubenstein2136]

Great content John! Thanks for sharing and helping the hunting community.

[@stanleyboc5776]

Can you are a video showing your little ramp to get the deer in your car by yourself? I would love to see how you designed it so I can make one myself. Typically it’s not the long drag to my suv that’s the hardest it’s lifting a big buck in the trunk by myself. Your contraction seems to fix that.

[@kevcanesfan3273]

I thought I had a lot of clothing. I’ve always tried to cover all the bases living in the NE but John you take the cake. You must need a barn for all your stuff. Thanks for all the info. Love the content. I’ve had your books and dvds for years. Still refer back to them for info.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Thanks Kevin and I do have a lot of clothing and keep in mind that I have been a sales rep to the hunting industry for 30 years and have sold several lines of clothing and have bought several others (primarily Browning and Icebreaker merino wool) because of their technology (ScentLok being the most technology based) so I know how clothing is made and how it functions. I've been fortunate in that respect. John

[@Vanzgardian1]

True Legend!! John, thank you for bestowing your elite bowhunting knowledge upon us!!

[@davetoms63]

I actually bought two sets of the lightweight Rivers West. Both of them leaked at shoulder seams. I think the model I have are the first ones you showed.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

contact customer service they should get you taken care of - Joe

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

David, the Pioneer and Weatherbeater packable suits are their price point suits and I believe I suggested them for scouting and recovering deer and not for hunting. I have several Weatherbeater packable suits that I keep in my fishing boat and when I wear them it is typically warm or hot out and raining and because they don't breath, oftentimes I've had the interior get wet from my perspiration. That is pretty common with that type of suit. Not saying the seams didn't leak, but that's a possibility. They will replace them. John

[@luckytrapper7656]

I have the Fortress jacket and bibs. It is a great system . I wear it for late season hunting. Example, 2 years ago I hunted the U.P. and the high temp. Was -11°. I had no problem sitting on stand for 4 hours. I wore the Fortress, Cabelas ECWAC heavy weight top and bottom, Under Armour sweater, and a pair of sweat pants.It surprised me on how warm it was. Great stuff but a bit pricey. You do get what you pay for like you always say. Great videos also. Keep them coming.

[@RickLarsonPermacultureDesigner]

I've been watching other hunting channels and found yours today while researching a jacket for late season archery. Lots of information on this video I hadn't known about. I might over reach my spending little bit, but if that what it takes to say warm and sit longer, then I'll have to figure this out.

[@MichaelWilliams-yf1eo]

Hey John, thanks for taking the time to make these videos. I bought your DVD last year and books to cute my learning curve as I just started hunting deer last year. Love the in depth, no BS, back by testing results look at the gear you use and why it qualifies. Bought my first Scentlok suit for this season.

[@milandakic8599]

John, where can I purchase Scentlok backpack like yours? I don't see any on their website. Thank you

[@taylorromero937]

In the video he says he gets them made himself

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

It is custom made pack that is not readily available to the public and the woman who made them for John doesn't make them anymore either - Joe

[@milandakic8599]

Thank you

[@robertgould1477]

I will add that I went through process of trying to get a Kathy Kelly pack made out of Scentlok, but a Scentlok won’t sell the fabric, and Kathy Kelly won’t make the pack without the fabric shipped. However, I purchased a regular Kathy Kelly pack (there store is on Ebay now, search for “Quiet Packs fleece”). At first I thought it seemed like a goofy pack, but I love it! It holds a ton of base layers, it’s easily washable, and it’s exceptionally quiet and my favorite part...it’s simple. I sold my Scentlok pack in favor of this one, and I just wash it frequently.

[@robertgould1477]

To clarify: I wash my pack frequently using hypoallergenic, no perfumes or dyes scent free detergent (like arm and hammer) throughout the season. I also store it in its own airtight tote after each hunt and avoid setting it on the ground below my tree before and after climbing.

[@mb748]

Hi John. Do you have any coupon codes for Rivers West? Looks like they charge $25 flat fee, to ship to NJ.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

No I do not and RW does not charge tax or freight for on-line orders.

[@mb748]

Yes, no shipping when I actually checked out thanks.

[@bwi43]

what is the name of the hat you used with the riverswest ambush jacket? I like that style.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Thanks and that RW hat is the Radial hat and it is awesome. It comes in M and L.

[@MiguelGarcia-hs3nc]

why don't you wash the SentLok? Does washing effects the carbon?

[@brooks8656]

Quick question. Fastest way to air out your air tite totes? Just let them air out outside? Thanks

[@robertgould1477]

Awesome, and much appreciated! Your so hard to keep up with when it comes to the custom mods to your gear, however, I really appreciate you mentioning these small details like modifications to the Hydrotherm suit.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

My goal is to make thing functional and more adventageous for how I hunt and share that info. John

[@danhoff4401]

Great content John & co! I'm enjoying the new channel.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Awesome, thank you!

[@ninjagodzilla6402]

This is the one video i wish john never made.

[@backwoods8414]

Same here wore a lot of wool back then, kept you warm even when wet.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

I can't ever remember getting wet, but definitely have had my merino wool get damp from sweat and it does keep you warm as it gets colder in the evening.

[@9235wayne]

I have such a hard time finding a Sealable Tote like that and I'm in Canada. Help!

[@johncovington10]

I ordered some rivers west last year but it says hang dry only. Can it still be dried on low?

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Yes it can and I do it all the time. Dry on low or air dry.

[@jryan0891]

I don’t know if this would make a good video topic or not. But something on information surrounding times to be on stand. Specifically how long to stay on morning sits, if weather changes those times, all day sit requirements, etc. hopefully that makes sense. Thanks John

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

that is a good idea and we'll do one for next year as we already have a years worth of videos done and another 2 years of videos on the books to do. Will do others that fit better and that is one that I just wrote in the ideas book. John

[@michaelderks994]

Outstanding man. Thanks for doing these! I just bought new scentLok gear. Do I have to wash it before season or just dry it to reactivate it? It probably smells like warehouse and box right now. Tia

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

email us at [e-mail] and we will get you John's word doc. about how he takes care of his - Joe

[@anthonysawyers9972]

Great video John lots of good information. I actually bought some rivers west gear back in the spring looking forward to trying it out this fall.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Good luck!

[@gerardburns9273]

How about some advice for hands, head, face?

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

rivers west makes some decent gloves also and hats for your head. - Joe

[@billhillybiker49]

Hey John....I just heard about your channel on Mike Avery's show....great channel!

[@kevinflaherty7592]

My sincere condolences to you and your family concerning the 🙏 passing of Chris.

[@MrShysterme]

The biggest scam is Gore Tex leather boots, especially insulated. So, the boot maker is telling me that a sandwich of treated leather, gore tex, and insulation is going to breath? Does the gore tex cause this magical thing to happen where thick silicone impregnated leather becomes porous? What it will do is leak after a few years because gore tex is fragile and your feet beat it up. Unfortunately, boot makers know that most hunters are "gore tex crazy", so they can't sell a pair of boots for over 200 bucks without it saying "gore tex" somewhere. So, we get an inferior product. I wish they made nice, comfortable, durable leather boots but with a durable, non-porous layer bonded to the inside of the leather. I have a pair of lace up neoprene boots that Muck stopped making. My feet get no more sweaty in those than leather gore tex boots. Half of the issue is placebo effect and people wanting to justify their purchase ("gee my buddies non-gore tex boots really made my feet sweat compared to my sweet boots!") and the other half is simple insulation and moisture management. Put antiperspirant on your feet and wear a liner sock that is wicking and don't walk in with crazy over insulated boots, instead put boot covers and a heat pack on your feet once in the tree.

[@halfstep67]

I have a fused right ankle so I can't wear rubber boots. They are too difficult to get on and off. But before I had a fused ankle, I tried good rubber boots for scent control. But my feet would get soaking wet from the knees down in them from sweating. I then started wearing Rocky boots which were pretty good boots for the money back then. I didn't have the soaked feet problems I did with the rubber boots. But a boot that flexes will cause the gore-tex liner to eventually fatigue and start leaking. But a rubber boot flex points will cause cracking and leaking too. I find that my feet stay a lot dryer with a cordura boot with a cambrella and gore-tex liner. I have leather boots with cambrella and gore-tex and my feet stay fairly dry but not as well as the cordura boots. And I have worked in these type boots for years on the highways with road temps of over 140c and still have dry feet. Even thinsulated. In hot environments, the thinsulation insulated your feet from the heat of the hot roadways. I would buy a new pair of boots every year. I would first only use them as my hunting boots and then after season, they would become my work boots. So I always had a new waterproof low scent boot for hunting. The secret to wearing any type of boots is using a boot dryer often to keep them dry.

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

Wind brace is actually only $129.99! Great suit for sure! I wear the morphic windproof vest and heavyweight baselayers for 20-30 degrees

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

That's a great mix

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

Eberhart Outdoors thanks. For mid season I wear the full season taktix and mid season baselayers. Early season I wear the savanna crosshairs and lightweight baselayers. For under 20 I wear the fortress and heavyweight base layers. Vest if needed; the fortress is WARM

[@underdogoutdoors]

I've been wearing Rivers West Original Waterproof Fleece since I read your first book many years ago. I don't think it's even available anymore. I have 2 sets, wouldn't trade them for anything.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Your correct, the original was a triple layer system without taped seams and you could wash to your hearts content. They are thinking about bringing back another model of it as there is nothing in the marketplace like that was. Take that back, the Ranger is still made with a triple layer system. John

[@michaelscarpa2032]

Have you ever lost a blood trail due to hunting in the rain? That’s my biggest concern with those conditions, never had it happen but it sure would suck!

[@taylorromero937]

Great video, John, what is your email? I would like to get a better copy if possible of your scent control regime. Thanks

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

[e-mail]

[@frez777]

We believe you can get out and get going within 3-4 minutes, lol.

[@brux3822]

Not trying to be contentious here but I know duck hunters and fishermen that swear by breathable chest waders. They're waterproof and they breathe... I don't own any myself, so I don't know but that's what I hear.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Thanks for the reply and I own some Hodgman and Allen breathable waders and they don't breath. I fish in waders a lot for steelhead and the breathables are very lightweight and cool compared to neoprene so they may seem like they breath when out of the water, but the amount of breathability is meaningless. If they were very breathable, they wouldn't be waterproof.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Brux - Some hunters also think their waterproof hunting garments breath a lot and they don't. I did the test that was mentioned in the video with Gore-Tex and it definitely didn't breath even though all the hunters that buy it think it does.

[@brux3822]

Eberhart Outdoors - Interesting. Thanks

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

@@brux3822 As mentioned in the video, with a membrane (which I assume is what's used in breathable waders), the membrane manufacturer can open tighten the weave as needed for whatever purpose the membrane is used for. Rivers West for instance uses a very closed membrane that doesn't allow any water or vapor to seep through and that is why you can place a garment over water and stomp on it and no water will go through the membrane. Depending on the function, GoreTex uses a more open membrane that may allow some air permeation, but you could never use the test with water on it and not have it pass through while stomping on it. So there are different variables of what they term as breathability and the more open the membrane, the more breathable, but the less waterproof in a driving rain. I own 4 old Browning suits with GoreTex. Waders are the same way except they would have to have a tight membrane as they are in water with some amount of exterior pressure.

[@brux3822]

Eberhart Outdoors - I have definitely noticed moisture seep through Gore-Tex before. Looks like my next rain suit will be Rivers West.

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

Also, I will say the Fortress is the warmest suit I have ever worn. Actually sold my Hydrotherm to make room for the Fortress

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Haven't bought one yet but will. It's warmer than the Hydrotherm? John

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

Eberhart Outdoors yes, significantly warmer. Typically all I need with it are heavyweight baselayers, maybe a vest if it’s in single digit temps and windy. But it’s by far the warmest suit I have ever worn.

[@johnhuls2695]

Is it quiet? Ive read mixed reviews

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

John Huls Fortress, dead quiet. Hydrotherm; relatively quiet but not dead quiet like the Fortress

[@usernamehere6061]

"I can be out of the truck and ready to go before anyone... while they're digging through totes" *spends entire video digging his gear out of a tote*

[@greyhawk-111]

Mr. Eberhart... love your stuff so far, and not unexpectedly. Thank you. If I may, your channel will get more attention and grow faster... and you'll do a lot of your fans a favor... by posting shorter videos. 15 minutes is about the perfect length... same amount of content, just more individual videos (it's just how the system works). Surely some will disagree, maybe even you, but I'm just offering some constructive feedback. Thanks again.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

I totally agree and we are working on doing more several part videos. The scent control will take several. So thanks for the feedback. John

[@BoomerSage_]

This, was perfectly said. I don’t mind johns long videos because they’re packed full of information but I think the general population would rather watch two 15 minute videos than watch one 30 minute video in one go.

[@trebor44089]

Doesn't RW advertise their stuff as both waterproof and breathable? A direct contradiction to what you say in this video....

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Yes they do but the breathability part of the ad is meaningless just as it is with all other brands. John