Ebike de-restricting, pros and cons including how to do it yourself.

[@mulletthehunter7163]

I absolutely love my speedbox. Also changed my chain ring for a slightly bigger one, now I can just Cruze the streets at 25mph without breaking a sweat and hit 44mph the other day down a moderately sized hill... living the dream!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thank you for watching and your comments

[@Danielkuota1]

Do you notice that are you causing any harm to the motor!? Like you say I am way faster in my normal bike and that is frustrating to me. The 15mph is to low. If would be a 20mph that is a decent speed. Sometimes put myself in more danger on the traffic because this low limit

[@mulletthehunter7163]

@@Danielkuota1 not noticed any wear yet and got 800 miles on it. Pretty sure they were designed to go faster before some twats in Brussels got involved. Anyway if it breaks at least I know I had fun in the process!

[@Danielkuota1]

@@mulletthehunter7163 thanks for your feedback

[@eddiejefferies3659]

@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I have only recently found your YT channel, and have to say just how superb that it is. I was an early adopter of emtb's in the UK,having owned, ridden and reviewed them for near on 16 years now. I used to have a very strong opinion about the deristricion of ebikes. In the early years of riding an ebike, opinion was very much against them, and the topic of speed was very high on an agenda to have them banned. The pro speed lobby were creating a great risk that government might apply even stronger rules. The pro speed lobby basically took the selfish two fingers up attitude, only thinking about themselves. Thankfully, things appear to have settled down now, although sadly, restricted or not, an ignorant few risk upsetting the balance by going to fast past non assisted riders, or members of the public. I have had lengthy chats to Mark H about deristricion of ebikes and the law in respect of it. Without going on too much, I still don't see the need for a higher assited speed limit in an off road situation, but for road riding, 20mph would certainly be beneficial and to a greater extent safer in respect of being around other road users. I recently bought a Riese Muller Roadster S-pedelec to sell on again, and was actually pretty surprised that even with a 625wh battery, how quickly it drained. You can't have speed without using extra energy. Also glad to see that you covered yourself in respect of working on deristriced bikes. I was a bit concerned about that one at the start of the clip.

[@seawolfkills]

Great video. My city is almost all 20mph limit now, though you wouldn't know it when you see the speed of cars. A sensible restriction for the UK would be 20mph, this would help you flow with the traffic. Rather than the silly 15mph that means everyone is trying to get past, sometimes without engaging their brain.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Yes I think I agree, 20mph is reasonable.

[@Gent100]

Not in a congested city like London, pedelecs are much faster than cars over a distance of an average journey which may be somewhere between 3 to 8 miles. It is only the motor power assist which is restricted to 15.5 mph, not the overall speed of the eBike. Fit and more especially younger pedelec riders don't restrict their overall speed to 20 mph local limits, they get to the destination much faster than all other vehicles, they can additionally use routes unavailable to motorbikes or mopeds, my son reaches speeds of up to 30 mph where permitted, albeit downhill, 20 to 25 mph isn't unusual for fit and younger pedelec riders with power assist limited to 15.5 mph. Cyclists can ride eBikes with more power assist, but the bike is then classed as a moped and a motorbike helmet is required in addition to tax, insurance and registration. The problem is that pedelec riders aren't wearing any protective gear whilst they are travelling at the speed of a moped, there just has to be a point where the power assist is limited. If the power assist speed is to be increased from 15.5 mph there will immediately be more deaths and very considerably more serious life changing injuries requiring hospitalisation as a result of people having no protective gear and for many of them not even a driving licence or any form of driving instruction. A pedelec bike can legally be ridden on the road by anyone over the age of 14, with no licence and with no prior experience of being on the road whatsoever, would you wish a child in your family to have power assist to 20 mph under such circumstances, knowing that in all likelihood they will be cycling far in excess of that speed?

[@dtz1000]

Exactly my experience. I feel much safer on roads when i'm going 20mph on my ebike. I guess I'm not fit because i can't get to 20mph when the pedal assist is set to 15.5mph and the road is level. Cars have no choice but to continually overtake me in that situation. But when i take the restrictions off and can finally get to 20mph then i hardly ever get overtaken in London. Feels much safer that way.

[@alexthomas9918]

Just don’t. It will become a full on mc in the eyes of the law, would u get on a mc without insurance tax or mot what happens if u injure someone civil claim good buy house job etc bizzies switching on to this fast look at min 6 points and poss ban not to mention large fine worth it ?

[@rdrhouse]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic do you think a 50% rise in vehicle emissions is a good idea

[@etiennemuller1]

I have a 1500w diy mid drive on a hybrid optimised for road use. I do live in rural countryside. I have restricted street mode to 750w with 5 assist levels, as I find this offers good assist level increments. There are two limiting factors on any ebike. The first one is cadence. Depending on your gearing you will end up ghost pedalling at some point. With my setup, in my highest gear, I will lose resistance at around 45kph…. 38kph still offers reasonable resistance at a reasonable cadence… these rates are achievable on the flat. Cruising speed on the flat for my bike on assist level 1 [drawing around 185 W] is around 33kph. At level 2 [260 W] around 38kph. The second limiting factor is range. The more power you draw the more limited your range. I tend to stay in assist level I [185 W] because that will take me around 80km on my hilly terrain. Level 2 [260 W] will only get me 50km…. On long hills my climbing speed [level 1] works out between 17kph and 23kph… [level 2] between 22kph and 27kph… These are not excessive speeds for a road bike. These speeds can be exceeded very easily riding down even modest hills on an ordinary bike. Basically, what I am saying, is that the whole thing is a bit of a non-issue. Cadence and range are naturally self limiting factors with ebikes, regardless of the power potential of the motors, unless you install a 25kg battery and use a throttle, in which case you are riding a motorbike, not a bicycle. As far as I am concerned, I observe the traffic rules, I am considerate to other road users, and I am very conscious of pedestrians. I behave this way whatever I am driving or riding. Cyclists, assisted or unassisted, who behave like assholes, risk bringing us all into disrepute, and it does not require an electric motor to be an asshole.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching, thats sounds like an interesting bike you have, can you send me some photos please.

[@etiennemuller1]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I sent you an email with photos.

[@Greyarcher1]

I have riden over 2600km now with my Bosh motor De-restricted with now problems what so ever! It opens up the FUN in EMTB would NEVER Ride or bye a'restricted Bike although i dont go faster than 25km often but when i do.....Man it is FANTASTIC,its a'Bike!!! And its mine i bought it i ride it as Faaaast as i want too in the Forest cos that is what it is made for not rode Riding!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@salaciouscrumb1747]

the thing is, 25km/h is simply too low as a max support. You frequently exceed 25 km/h even when casually commuting to work and then the support abruptly ends and you're dragging a heavy e-bike with you. 35km/h would be acceptable

[@leenevin8451]

A good way to get mugged!

[@thecremeegg]

I've had mine set to the US speed limit so an extra few km/h. This is purely because my normal cadence means on a road my speed sits around where the motor cuts in and out which is highly annoying. I can go faster on a normal bike so I see no issue with the slight increase in limit

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Good comments

[@PsychicDavidJames]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I have a class 3 here in NY for commuting and I would be terrified to ride under 28 miles an hour on the roads around here.

[@paulrounding5260]

Same here, my speed on a run the other day averaged 17mph, it’s a typical farcical law and I will be purchasing myself one soon. There are no speed restrictions for cyclists on UK roads so why impose a 15.5 mph on a motor, most abled bodied cyclists can pedal faster than that.

[@Nat-fj2bf]

How did you do this, this is exactly what I want

[@danielb.4205]

@@paulrounding5260 You still can pedal faster just without support of the motor (depending on the motor you have). E.g. a Bosch Performance CX 4 just cuts out support but doesn't hinder you in any way to pedal faster.

[@chocolon1129]

Is really good to have that extra available when hitting big jumps. Scary when the motor cuts at 20mph

[@pearsey657]

My cube reaction is fitted with a chip that I've restricted to 26.1mph . 15.5mph just isn't fast enough because I seem to ride at about 18/19mph so this is brilliant for me and the battery life doesn't seem to be affected. I would thoroughly recommend

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

this is great that you have it working good for you, and using it sensibly

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Great comment, thanks

[@jay-ob4ct]

Is it easy to fit on a cube bike ?

[@Xune2000]

Delivery bikes in London have been tuned such that a quarter turn of the crank will prompt the motor to run the bike too ~25mph, with no further pedaling from the rider. I'm yet to see an accident, so it doesn't bother me. What does bother me is delivery riders going through red lights while pedestrians are crossing, cycling on pavements and speeding along shared pathways. 25mph on the road is fine, not when you're on a shared path that's only 2 metres wide.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thank you for watching and your great comments

[@mav5204]

I use my bike mostly for commute here in Canada have a bafang ultra with a 54v battery tops out at 65km it's far safer to be able to keep up with traffic as long as your aware and mindful of others for trails I use my m600 its limited to 45km that's all you need on a trail any lower would be dangerous for hitting jumps can't have the power cut when you need it most like

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thank you for watching and your comments.

[@Rosendnd]

I think 20mph in UK would be perfect and nobody would wanted to take take this off, 15mph is ok for trails but on the road 20mph would be much safer as the cars would have no easy to overtaking due to traffic which is much more safe.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching, I agree with you.

[@peaceformula5830]

Agree.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

My 250w does 21mph and it's far far better than legal ones.

[@ToThePointCT]

I feel far safer at 25mph on the road than 10-12mph

[@niblet112]

@@ToThePointCTwhat power level do you use?

[@jimwintersgill9099]

Nice balanced review of pros and cons, thanks Dave. Like the fact that you shared your own opinion without preaching! Personally I wouldn’t chip my bike, but that’s just me

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Jim, Thanks for your comment

[@tiddles4x4]

As a professional driver around Oxford and an occasional bike user I do feel a 20mph limit would be safer. Would flow with the traffic better and be less frustrating for car drivers. Any more than that then its getting to 50cc motorbike classifications. From what I have seen around Oxford the quicker cyclists get overtaken less than the ones plodding along at 10-15mph. The extra power would also help with hills. I have just put a deposit on a Scott Aspect Eride 950 for my 5 mile commute to work, need to loose weight and save money. But its a nasty winding and fast road with long hills.

[@gary7vn]

30 mph no worries no problems

[@AndyMialkowski-ct9sz]

Hello, I also installed the SpeedBox in my Bosch Gen 3 motor. Now I'm thrilled-many thanks to the SpeedBox team.

[@douglaskaye1395]

Me too❤ i ride in the woods the squirrels haven’t complained yet😂

[@stu2427]

Done both my bikes. My flyon and my daily ride cube. Would def recommend as 15 mph is torture. Saying that I only average about 18 mph. But the power is there I would def recommend. You go a lot faster on a normal bike than 15

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment

[@adventureswithsci]

Hi, I am a roadie recovering from spinal surgery that paralysed me in the summer of 2022. I am considering an electric road bike but the 15mph motor limit is prohibitive, as on the flat I can still push 17-18mph, even with my disability. Having demoed 2 of the latest e-road bikes, one with the TQ HPR50 motor and the other with a Mahle hub drive, as soon as you hit 15mph (which is relatively easy for a reasonable cyclist to achieve on the flat) you are suddenly peddling a very heavy bike and the whole outfit is totally counter productive. I want to be able to ride with my partner / friends again but I'm not yet convinced that an e-bike is the solution - yes, it would be very advantageous on the climbs, but I will still get left behind on the flats and downhills - where it wouldn't be unusual for a group to be riding at 20-30mph. So until a more sensible limit is allowed, the only option is to modify the bike which I am not comfortable with - for all of the reasons mentioned

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, commuter/gravel,road ebikes are great at providing assistance up steep hills or when tired. Speeds of over 16mph the bike turns into a heavy one due to the battery and motor weight. unfortunately any more speed than the 15.5 means that it's not compliant with uk law making road ebikes a bit pointless unless they are super light

[@djm8027]

Makes the bike feel way more natural as there is no sudden drop off in power, I ride my levo almost only in eco now and rarely use trail or boost. Speed now is limited more by physics and feels way better . Still getting the same range and I imagine it isn't so much harder on the motor as eco is only set at 30% for me. There is certainly potential to abuse the speed but given the option I would have a bike with no limit and only 30% max assist over a full power bike limited to 25km.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@rickywoods3101]

Only 30% assist is basically like riding a normal bike because the e bikes are usually at least 30% heavier.. even mine turned down to 50% is almost as hard to climb as my normal MTB

[@grannyjone]

Eco on mine feels easier than normal bike because there is more torque. It is comparable to climbing a normal bike with a tail wind and strava times show this

[@djm8027]

@@grannyjone always going to be easier with the helping hand , but as long as you record and save the rides on the e-bike leader board with Strava it's all fair:)

[@grannyjone]

@@djm8027 I save ebike rides in ebike but there are definitely people who dont. Many of those top times on climbs for analogue bikes theres no way they were not done on ebikes

[@FENIA3648]

All your videos are absolutely excellent. Also the language you use shows a human being with humanity. Well done too for replying to everyone!!! I would absolutely love to put a throttle on my Bosch CX Generation 4 (2020). Any information would make me happy.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Thank you for watching and your comments, unfortunately there is no way of fitting a throttle, sorry

[@jcb208]

Just had to glue a magnet on the inside of the crank where the pedal screws in,turn the sensor round and job done on my giant fathom,been great for 4 years

[@ThePackDad]

Upgraded my Rad Mini-4 with the Bolton (Area 13) upgrade ctlr/display kit last winter. HUGE difference in accelleration with no effect on top speed (22mph flat). Having experienced the upgrade, I'd be just as happy without it. It's fun taking off fast and blowing away my friend and everyone else at the campground or scooting out of traffic quickly, but it's risky. Almost sent it out into traffic when I stood next to it and bumped the throttle by mistake in PAS 1. It also wants to lift the front wheel if pointed uphill and I hit the 'sensitive' throttle too hard to start moving. I LOVE my fast upgrade, but I consider downgrading regularly. Be safe.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comments

[@romeocollado6133]

Nice video. I do mostly trail riding. Blacks very techy uphills and downhill deep forest riding. Im in the US and our class 1 limit is at 20mph. I do not see or a need to de-restric my Levo. The only way I see a need for it is when using a bike on tarmac. That's just my opinion Nonetheless and as usual very informative videos. Cheers!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for your comments

[@phantombigballs8165]

UK that wpuld be 15.5mph your extra 4.5mph makes a real difference

[@romeocollado6133]

@@phantombigballs8165 i understand that. all im saying for me and the trails I normally ride. even at 15mph would be good enough. I max out at around 30mph plus but thats doing downhill trails...I understand if your doing lots of flats, fire roads that extra 5mph definitely make a difference. for me and my trails it don't matter.

[@darthkek1953]

@@romeocollado6133 For trails, for most people, yes. It's the riding to and from the trails is the issue. In the UK we have no real cycling infrastucture and 15 mph encourages cars to overtake in a 30 mph zone.

[@Gent100]

@@darthkek1953 In cities it is pedelecs that are reaching their destination much faster than cars, a pedelec will usually cut journey time in half. It's really annoying for pedelec riders to have to tolerate the slow pace of car traffic in cities, they are forced to overtake (or undertake) lines of slower moving cars. Fit and younger pedelec riders don't restrict their speed to the limit of the motor power assist at 15.5 mph, most are cycling between 20 to 25 mph and 30 mph is possible (where permitted locally).

[@heraldreichel1971]

This might sound strange, but I use a programming adapter to put MORE restrictions on my Bafang BBSHD. Here in Austria, the legal limits are 25kph and 600W. I prefer to not break the law, but I also like the mechanical and power headroom the BBSHD gives me. Limiting the speed to 25kph and the current to 12A at 52V lets me do that. I'm a couple of Watts over the legal limit, but with efficiency and transmission losses I'd be happy to put my bike on any roller power meter.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your great comment

[@Deguilt]

Didn't know Jeff Ross knew so much about E-bikes.

[@dag681]

I had a 2019 Kenevo that I ran the crap out, after derestricting the first week. Rode it nearly three years and sold it, to get a new Levo. My local Specialized dealer, nor Specialized itself, could explain it--and I did not tell them I derestricted it. The bike ran way better, the whole time I had it. It's baloney they void the warranty for doing it. Don't be afraid to do this, just do it right.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@boblatkey7160]

$195 and I can now pedal my specialized turbo levo up to 33 miles an hour! I absolutely love it! Just be careful and conscientious of where you use it. I do say I love blowing past road weenies as they give me attitude.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment

[@nickclarkuk]

The speed limit of 15mph is ridiculously low. I tried a ebike and wasn’t impressed by the early cut off . If I buy one it’s getting chipped .

[@evo5349]

I was faster on my mtbike, but got my Kenovo ebike and derestricted it and so much better.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

If it was me investing thousands into one of these bikes, I would feel cheated, knowing that, the bike is capable of so much more, derestricting is what I would do, although I have built a few DIY bikes, which are really good fun, and piss the lycra brigade off when I press them on the road😂

[@matthewsquires1734]

Fully agree, I can manage 15 while falling asleep, when you spend a lot of money you expect a lot of performance. I'd just take it on the chin too if the cut off point was even 20mph but 15mph is laughable.

[@jbloggs4161]

@Joe try one lol Mine has 85nm of torque, there's nothing weak about it

[@frp1276]

It's 100% government sticking it's dick into every facet of our fucking lives. Here in the US we have a 28mph limit and it's still ridiculous.

[@toddwatkins6162]

Interesting topic, I can’t see the problem myself, if I can ride my Aeroad at 25mph on a road what is the difference in that to a tuned ebike? It’s got better brakes and I know for a fact I can stop quicker on my eBike that my road bike. As for trails, If you’ve ever needed to send something big and that motor cuts out just before the take off if feels like the brakes are on. Certainly does with older gen motors. Personally I see no issue myself, it’s the customers choice and they take the risk. Plenty of people tune cars to go faster :)

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Good comment Todd

[@kangsterizer]

ebikes are heavier and dont brake better, they brake worse for the same exact bike. with that said i do think EU ebikes speed limit is too low. the US speed limitnis much more sensible. you dont need to go 50mph, but up to 25 f.e. makes a lot of sense.

[@megane230f1]

Done my shimano e8000 if i hadnt of de restricted my e bike i would of sold it as it just got boring after 6 months, i would say do it if your e bikes out of warranty and you know what you’re doing mechanics wise, personally speaking best thing i did was de restrict it, been done over 2 years and i haven’t had any problems with it

[@peaceformula5830]

Does it burn out other components because the factory tailored it all to 15?

[@imprezaaudi]

@@peaceformula5830 These motors are generally capable of so much more than the restricted speed. Most motors are rated 500-750W. As long you're not thrashing the motor, they will happily propel you with assistance to around 25-30mph. A friend tuned his Bosch powered eMtb What a lovely bike it was to ride, smooth as silk upto 28mph.

[@baggsofadventures2838]

A great video and explained very well, I don’t understand why the limit is only 15 or 16 mph because when you want to go fast at a trail centre it will cut in and limit you to 15 or 16 mph it’s a bit of a downer

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, I personally thing 20mph would be better. Thanks for watching

[@optimoespacio]

It’s just because the law hasn’t been changed to account for ebikes, so the legislation is based on petrol mopeds. Anything high speed is requiring helmets and insurance etc.

[@Gent100]

It is only the motor power assist that is limited to 15 mph, not the speed of the bike, you can ride as fast as your (unassisted) peddling will take you.

[@johnking3863]

Nearly a year in and over 3000 miles, the 15 1/2 mph assist limit is too low, my average speed commuting is 17-20 mph and whilst the assist takes the sting out of any hills it’s pretty redundant the rest of the time. Off road/gravel and single track it makes far more sense where you’re constantly slowing and accelerating.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thank you for watching and your comments

[@kentnilsson9757]

👍Good information and important to know, but so much fun with a real adrenaline ride😊 I am 57 years young and have a Canyon spectral ON 9.0 -19 with and your Orbea Rise -21 and have trim boxes on both. After having problems with both, I removed these trim boxes and now drive my Canyon which has an older software that makes it possible to change to American 32km/h instead, which I am now quite happy with. I am thinking of downloading a software on Orbean to have the same possibility😊. Still illegal😘

[@edrees8559]

Yeah nah fair enough Dave you say it like it is I respect your approach. I’m on the fence, but leaning more towards getting one. Nice to hear someone not sugarcoating the consequences. I wish more people were like Dave.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@michael_emtb]

Hi Dave, great video! A very polarising topic is this, I personally won't be derestricting my Emtb, but I see the desire to. Like yourself I respect both sides of the argument, but personally chipping isn't for me 👍🏻

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Well said! Thanks for watching

[@WeeSmokey]

Even 17.5 would be a game changer I think my hybrid cube stereo is really cumfy around that speed but obviously the motor is not engaged after 15.5 which is an absolute joke by the politicians since anyone using a racer can just glide right by and make you feel like you are standing still but lil clown on e scooters can do the same speed although highly unstable.

[@fergusmcclelland9833]

I bought my latest ebike online from a Chinese company. A throttle came as an extra. I then saw a film that showed there was a plug in the control box that you could connect to derestrict. I use throttle in town traffic to safely get away from traffic lights without wobbling and get me up to speed - about 17mph on a wide empty road, then I just peddle without using any power at all.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comments

[@stevenreyes3680]

I’m not so sure about this...but from what I believe I’ve read somewhere, that you can trick the bikes computer by simply imputing the wrong tire size. I wish I could find that article or video or Reddit thing. And it also seems strange that all, for instance, all Bafang’s have the same top speed, more or less, regardless of the configuration. IF you input the correct tire/ wheel size. I want to do the experiment myself, but have to get a simple bike computer to check it against the display. This is where my moth eaten freezes up. Input larger or smaller wheel ?

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Steven, you might be able to do this on some lower spec models with cheaper hub motors and lower spec controllers, some specalized can be done through a phone app, bosch and shimano have their wheel circumferences programmed in at the factory before fitting and can not be changed only by shimano or bosch technicians, as a dealer we don't have the correct permissions in the diagnostic software, Thanks for watching and your comments.

[@stevenreyes3680]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic well, I’m talking about a diy Bafang Kit where you have to input tire size. I use a cloth tape and measure the actual circumference. All I really need is a cheap standalone bike computer to check what ever I do to check against.

[@nickpatarou6745]

Great video, trying to decide on keeping bike to set limit or exceeding it, another thought is that the manufacturer has built the bike for 15.5mph and with that in mind if the speed is increased so should the brakes, it will be scary to say the least trying to stop and not being able to in time. I guess accelerate, when nothing is around, but in London there is always something around the corner. I guess im sticking to 15.5mph. Thanks again for the info

[@joshowens2062]

Great video! 👍🏻 Pros and cons: Pro - Bike will not cut off at 25km/h Con -

[@darthkek1953]

Con - legality. If you get into a serious accident and kill a pedestrian, you have your bike derestricted you can potentially face very serious criminal consequences.

[@niblet112]

@@darthkek1953 same as a motorbike or a car then. So just turn it off in public areas and turn it back on on the road.

[@darthkek1953]

@@niblet112 providing it is legal to have it chipped but non-functional on the road, certainly. But do we have confirmation of that?

[@niblet112]

@@darthkek1953 I don’t know tbh. But as I am passed by the Lycra brigade quite often sometimes they pass me doing 25-30 mph I think the 15.5mph cut off is ridiculous. The great think about this gadget is you can set it to cut off at 20mph you don’t have to completely de restrict you’re ebike.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Josh, Thanks for your comments

[@raymondlynch5424]

What I find interesting is that you can buy a super car that can exceed 200 mph legally and drive it on the road legally. I am reading as long the device is on your bike it’s illegal? Yet unassisted bikes can pass me on the road? I am finding the whole experience interesting having now acquired an electric bike?

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Good comments Raymond

[@maikelmolto8986]

allow me one question: were can you drive a car at 200kph "legally"? Most bikes are most useful for urban transport - so, please, name the city, were you can speed at 200k? Or were are those speed "legal" on rural roads or highways...?

[@garth62]

I do feel the market for these dristricters would be much more limited if UK law permited a 20mph limit instead of 15mph. As most state 15mph is too slow when on tarmac with other traffic, but probably most would be happy at 20mph. We know the motors are OK at that speed as it's the limit for North America with exactly same motors, just different software settings, so should ne no warranty issues either. It also quite resonable for no ebike (analogue) to regularly acheived speeds of 20 +. SO want to go faster than 20mph - get a moped/motorbike or pedal harder, what is the problem? .

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments.

[@tiddles4x4]

Was chatting to my local bike shop about this. They said the same as you but also added that it would drastically increases wear on the gear cassette and chain. Could even cause the chain to snap!. They said compere the size and strength of a pedal bike chain to a 50cc motor bike chain.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. watch out for our appearance on ITV tonight talking about the same subject, soon

[@leenevin8451]

Same torque tho

[@fredericksperber3320]

Most people don't understand how these chips work... nothing changes under 20mph. It only over-rides the motor cutting out at 20mph. One needs to be fit enough and have the gearing to allow that.... I love my Speedbox!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Good comment, thanks for watching

[@mikepagani6996]

What the top speed with pedalling?

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

@@mikepagani6996 hi, it’s unlimited depending on hearing.

[@darthkek1953]

@@mikepagani6996 what's the quickest you can pedal? ;-)

[@johnnysmithphotographyandf8806]

Here in USA they’re restricted to 20 mph. On my local favorite mtn bike trail there are 2 sections that I can barely go over 20 mph, and then for only 3-4 seconds. I find that on all the trails I’m below 20 mph 99.9 % if the time. Even on a flat paved road, unrestricted I can barely reach 28 mph, and that’s if my tires are tight.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

thanks for watching and your comments

[@darthkek1953]

15mph is fine for most trails for most "normal" riders, but on the road it simply encourages/forces cars to pass when otherwise they would not. It's as simple as that. If it was 20-25mph it would not be an issue.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for your comments

[@jamescorrigan2777]

It would as lots of drivers want to pass a bike by default soon as they see it. No matter what speed you are doing.

[@darthkek1953]

@@jamescorrigan2777 EVERY driver tries to pass a 15 mph bike ONLY NUTTERS rage past a 25 mph bike.

[@jamescorrigan2777]

@@darthkek1953 No shortage of nutters.

[@darthkek1953]

@@jamescorrigan2777 they're still the exception not the norm.

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

Ofo and Lime lease bicycles have phone network signal switching or GPS signal switching . The switching data sets the assistance threshold . Like geofencing but with a wider geographic region parameter . Brose has added an extra IC to the motor control board that does the location management .

[@mikejefferson1284]

Good informative video there dave , I have built a lot of bafang motor bikes over the past few years , but recently bought a Bosch motored cube , well just because it was legal , and I do like it the big problem is it’s rather garishly coloured and very noisy The bafangs are really quiet and a bit stealthy I do think a 20-25 mph limit would be more realistic, but maybe we just need to evolve and deal with it

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Mike, yes I do agree. Im interested in your bafang experience, which motors/kits do you use?

[@mikejefferson1284]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I mostly use the 750w bbs02 motors, paired with the C500 display unit and 17ah or 20ah batteries These generally get used for trail riding , there’s a lot of nice dirt to where I live (fife ,Scotland) I find the 750 motor to have adequate power with a decent range the bigger motors are a bit of a handful on the tight woodsy local stuff The other thing with bafang motors is the ability to change the various parameters within the bms , free Luna cycle software,a cable and a laptop and you can then really screw up how the bike rides , or make it a lot sweeter

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

@@mikejefferson1284 Hi Mike, thanks for the info, I have an old carrera in the workshop that im going to convert, where is the best place to buy the kits from?

[@doggylover1958]

@@mikejefferson1284 Hi Mike, I’m interested in trying the Bafang set up, where do you get yours from?

[@bradsanders6954]

I just hate the 18.5 mph bog on my new Canyon Spectral, as a lifetime dirtbiker, 18.5 mph is just getting rolling. I may not go 40 mph all the time but I dont like the way it bogs me down going so slow. Its not natural, to me its a nanny state thing.

[@massterrbarber]

With speed comes responsibility I’m 48 years old and I believe you should use the speed in the right places like if you’re stuck riding with cars and there is no bike lane and you have to get with the cars or if somebody wind up chasing me I would like to get away I wouldn’t wanna hit throttle and he doesn’t do much I got the Jetson j5 electric bike 2024 just bought it. It’s restricted to 15.5 I’m going to unrestricted, but in a Safeway and no other way only to Safeway.

[@a.a.alexander6030]

I think an important point may be being missed here. For all those with a driving licence, we know the rules of the road and to follow speed limits. So If your e-bike is derestricted, as long as you adhere to speed limits and to where you're allowed to ride these sort of bikes, you're okay. As for motor durability, it all depends on how often you will blast it and how much. I wouldn't panic after watching this video as the owner of this e-bike neglected maintenance for extended periods and that's how, as was said in the video at the start, it was in a poor condition, the owner brought it in for a major service and so on and so on... Clearly, it wasn't knackered due to the Speedbox. I think the tolerances to which the de-restrictors derestrict to are still well within limits of what these e-bikes can handle. I have no qualms personally.

[@mscustomlures]

Just got myself a Whyte E-160s after almost 2 years on a giant reign2 this isy first emtb. I can honestly say that the speed limiter absolutely sucks, topped out assistance on a couple of trails where the bike jusy feels like its dragging whereas on my non ebike I'd have just been able to carry on through. Also peddling it to work and home the assistance is excellent on the uphill sections but on the flats I'm consistently passed the 16mph limit or at least I would be if it wasnt such a workout, my non ebike is definitely faster and i can certainly maintain a higher constant speed so if i were to hit anyone/anything then there'd be a higher speed of impact on the non e-bike just little less weight impacting. This 16mph seems silly to me, I'm sure a roadie with skinny tyres can achieve some considerable speed on a flat road due to less resistance so why limit a peddle assisted bike to 16mph?

[@FiveMinuteVelo]

Another major downside of derestricting the bike, is that the battery life (distance) will be much reduced.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thankd for watching and your coimment

[@pwood5733]

Im happy with my little 250w 24v folding e bike speed but would love to increase the torque some how as it is poor on hills or even small gradient slopes

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comments, if you live in hilly areas it can be an issue

[@markwebster243]

Did you get him to sign a disclaimer before working on his bike? Plenty of reasons to de-restrict if you are on the road getting to trails and remember you can use the app to drop the power but it’s mainly in turbo mode,i did in my last levo that unfortunately was stolen not in my new one. A question from me is how many if any stolen bikes you have come across?

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Mark, Thanks for watching. When working on speedbox enabled ebikes I always give them back with the speedbox deactivated, customer always signs a disclaimer to the effect that they received the bike with standard uk limits. I have never had a stolen bike in the workshop that I know of.

[@alexthomas9918]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic the fact that the bike has the device fitted in the eyes of the law makes it a mc, not withstanding it’s not activated be careful if god forbid one of your bikes ends up in a fatality a civil claim may well come your way. It’s a risk. All of these bikes will end up on the road public highway at some point

[@rossmacintosh5652]

Dave, you commented that the bike on your stand needed a lot of replacements. That raises the question - do the manufacturers of frames & components design their products for the kind of stresses a bike could potentially see from being tuned? Seems to me there's a real risk of a failure that could be dangerous. If a frame, fork, etc. were to break going 65 kph I wouldn't want to be on that bike! I also think the point you raise about insurance doesn't get considered enough.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@Lee-ic2yn]

It depends In the UK its only going to get you as fast as the rest of the words restricted bikes

[@MrTonyh81]

Hi if I reset the tcu and thake the toningen device out before service, could you see if there has been a tuning device in there? Thanks for good information video

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Tony, Answer is no not really you wouldn't be able to tell.

[@phantombigballs8165]

Bosch can see that it's been tampered with if it goes for warranty work

[@peaceformula5830]

@@phantombigballs8165 They must have a black box chip inside it then which they read...

[@BrandonTaylor-bg1xv]

Really want to do this to my lapierre overvolt as its really harsh when you hit the pathetic 15 limit

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment.

[@niblet112]

I’ve done it on mine, I have the 2017 version. It works great and is easy to derestrict. I set mine to 20mph. Still does 30 miles on turbo.

[@Metalshark100]

It's silly how an ebike is limited to only 15mph, I can Avg around 17 to 18 mph on standard flat ground with bumps here and there and on straights can pedal up to 25mph on my XC MTB. I want to go faster but my legs just won't let me 😂 too bad ebikes sounds like the ultimate let down unless you delimit it.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Alex, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@frankieporter6071]

My gosh Dave. I skipped past the intro to get to the part I needed to realise i know that chap !! Found you by accident 😂 I’m just getting into e bikes myself so i might be bugging you 😂😂. Your doing ace !!!!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

WOW, thats a bit strange, who would have thought, glad you found us. hope your well, please call into the shop any time, were in Sowerby Bridge.

[@michaelwenckens6549]

Good balanced but somewhat limited review. No mention of faults that tuning can result in (the dreaded 504) and the Bosch ridiculous policy of only resetting your engine 3 times! Or is it a "request" from them to dealers, to only reset 3 times? I hear from one tuner that it can be done indefinitely - if you have a nice dealer that will accept a disclamer and trust you will only use it on your private land :-)

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Michael, thank you for watching and your comments. I could have gone on for ages listing the cons, it did dent seem fair to put everyone off, it’s up to the owner to decide which is best, I always go through the potential issues when I’m asked for more info. Bosch and other try hard to keep there motors running within the Uk limits when in the uk

[@michaelwenckens6549]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Thanks for your reply. From your answer - or lack of mentioning - I gather that the rumors of Bosch Gen 4 motors "self destructing" after 3 dealer reset, is greatly exaggerated?! It may be annoying if faults start to appear, but not the end of the world (motor). Thanks fore some good videos :-)

[@darthkek1953]

@@michaelwenckens6549 Unless if I have this VERY wrong, you can reset your bike 3 times at home after that you need to see a dealer. They can reset it and "reset the reset" with their Bosch diagnostic software.

[@JerryLilly]

I was debating on doing this to my 22 Rail 7. it tops out at 19.2-5 mph here in the states. Coasting on the dh's you can go faster. I really wanted to the derestricter so i could ride on roads. Most of the roads around me are 35 mph. Nonetheless...Ive decided against it because it is still under warranty. This is a great video as they always are. Thanks for the incite!

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

No problem, thanks for watching

[@bradsanders6954]

If it has the speedbox, and a warranty issue pops up, remove the speedbox before it goes to shop.

[@gitster2003]

​@brad sanders I was going to say the same thing, who is stupid enough to turn up at the shop with the speedbox still fitted for a warranty issue 😂

[@paulrogers5844]

I have a question if you de restrict a motor completely what is the maximum speed I know wattage and volts matter also

[@jerrycrunch]

Fuck UK ebike laws, my (3) ebikes all do over 30 mph,Minneapolis, USA.

[@adammccarthy2157]

Good luck clearing a double on 50lb Ebike after uk cut out limit of 15 mph, speedbox can’t be detected if it’s been fitted and removed . I can ride my regular bike at the speed the gears allow , uk law needs changing to at least 20 mph like us

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Adam, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@Tumid1]

I live in the US where our bikes come restricted to 19.8 mph. I de-restricted my bike because on a few occasions each ride I bump up against the limit & it isn't the government's business what I do in the woods if it doesn't effect anyone else. I can't imagine how intrusive & fun-restricting a 15 mph limit would be & honestly can't see how anyone wouldn't de-restrict their bike. To say that there is a greater chance of hitting another trail user because you are riding at a breathtaking 18 mph is just silly. By that logic pedal bikes should also be restricted. This is the modern day equivalent of requiring turn of the (20th) century cars to be preceded by someone with a lantern to warn pedestrians of those new-fangled horseless carriages.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for your comments Curtis

[@nedimri]

I have derestricted my ebike because I was hitting big jumps and I needed more speed. Yamaha PW-X motor, done 16000km, never had a single problem with the motor.

[@miathemalinoisgsdx1320]

The EU/UK limit is a joke. its very hard to push a restricted Bosch motor past 15mph as your fighting the motor resistance and the additional weight of the bike. Even myself as an unhealthy individual will hit hit the 15mph limit in a few yards and then its like going from hard pack to claggy soft mud in an instant. Living in Notts where the terrain is fairly flat but undulating its less work to get over 15mph on my pedal bike than it is my ebike. the sweet spot for this kind of terrain is about 20 to 23 mph. As a consequence Ive fitted a Volspeed which i have set to a max of 30mph but rarely go over 25 on flat ground. Ive done 45 down a nearby hill on my pedal bike and Ive done 45 on the same hill on my derestricted ebike. i certainly feel a lot less vulnerable derestricted on the odd occasion that i do ride tarmac especially when the road limit is 30mph . The US limit seems more sensible but I still think 25mph on a bike with top end brakes is still easier to bring to a halt than a 100kg motorbike.

[@alexthomas9918]

Just don’t. It will become a full on mc in the eyes of the law, would u get on a mc without insurance tax or mot what happens if u injure someone civil claim good buy house job etc bizzies switching on to this fast look at min 6 points and poss ban not to mention large fine worth it ? Btw your now riding a mc with no in’s no mot no licence and no number plate I wish u luck !

[@miathemalinoisgsdx1320]

​@@alexthomas9918 Thats a lot of what ifs bearing in mind I dont ride on the roads and even most of my off road riding is bike park. I like a spliff now and again and am not adverse to driving over the ton on quiet motorways. Ill chance my arm but thanks for worrying about me and my self employed job working from the house that is entirely owned by my wife.

[@ryan6764]

finally after reading all the comments you mention how hard it is to pedal above the limit... Treacle!! Derestricted doesnt accelerate any faster just gets to a happy speed of 24mph on my 10 speed 37mph (downhill) on my 12 speed. Sillyness!!!! (203mm brakes) I cruise at 21mph drinking a coffee :)

[@miathemalinoisgsdx1320]

@@ryan6764 I never mentioned acceleration. I did mention being unhealthy though. 60 years old. Severe COPD (ex coal miner, ex welder, ex smoker), arthritic ankle joints and a wrecked knee. I could probs also drink a coffee at 21mph (derestricted obvs) . Put a swimmers nose clip on, fill your mouth almost to capacity with a bread roll or similar and then try riding above the limiter for more than a couple of mins, thats what COPD feels like when you are doing pretty much anything except sat on your arse.

[@ap6584]

My speedbox was playing up a couple of weeks back so I rode a couple of trail centre trails without it, which was nowhere near as much fun. If you've never tried one and you're on the fence/thinking you shouldn't my advice would be don't ride a bike with one fitted because you will want it.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@darrenprior6339]

I sit on about 31km/hr on my non-eBike and the eBike is limited to 25km/hr which becomes very frustrating because, even though you can pedal faster after the motor cuts out, the reward in speed you get is not equal to the amount of effort required, because the bike weights 35kg. Also I can descend down a hill at 50km/hr and as you reach the point of incline the bike just comes to a halt until you're under the 25km/hr limit, after which you've just lost too much momentum. The tune takes all of that away right? Why the law cannot allow, say, a limit of 35km/hr if I'm allowed to do so on a non-eBike doesn't make sense.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Darren, thank you for your comments

[@Gent100]

35 Kilos? Is it armour plated? 25kg would be an upper weight limit for most.

[@darrenprior6339]

@@Gent100 It's 35kg. What would you like me to tell you? That it's 25kg?

[@Gent100]

@@darrenprior6339 No Darren, course not, just surprised.

[@grannyjone]

The 15mph limit really ruins ebikes for commuting and most road use in general actually. If people are going to be tempted to use these instead of a car then this restriction has to go or at least get raised

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@stephenfranks1193]

great review dave im sticking with the factory set up works fine for my kind of riding

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Good choice!, Thanks for watching

[@roberthuntley1090]

I've looked a few times, but always chickened out because of the risks to my car licence. The law regards a derestricted bike as an unlicensed motor vehicle so you can attract points for that plus a number of related offences (no licence, no insurance, not wearing a motor cycle grade crash helmet etc.) You get the picture.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment, good point

[@johnf3326]

I can pedal to over 20mph on the flat on my Rail 5. I can hit over 30mph downhill. Motor assistance cuts out at 15.5mph. I would NOTchip my bike. As you say its illegal on road, on any trail, towpath or sustrans UNLESS its on private land. I think assistance to 20mph is reasonable but 'nanny' knows best as usual in UK 😟

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi John, Thanks for your comments

[@peaceformula5830]

Exactly it should be 20

[@Binliner]

It’s an EU imposed directive

[@grannyjone]

Yes 15mph limit for EMTB on the roads is ridiculous. It is much slower than a road bike yet it is like a tank in comparison, plus it has far superior brakes

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments

[@niblet112]

100% agree. Which is why I only use the limiter on public trails. On roads I turn it off, all depends what I’m doing

[@nathanstewart5186]

16mph is dangerously slow had my e bike 2months the US limit 20mph would be ideal. And I went e bike for convenience instead of moped which needs tax mot insurance ect..

[@jbloggs4161]

You would not believe the amount of people I've passed at that speed. Some seriously slow riders out there

[@devinm.6149]

I came for the content but I'm also enjoying your voice.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comment

[@devinm.6149]

​@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic any chance you can tell me what b tuning is?

[@roadwarrior1459]

E-bikes are basically unridable with a 15mph limit. Most of the time your just peddling a 26kg bike around.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@niblet112]

Yep 100% it’s not fun at 15.5 mph

[@leenevin8451]

@@niblet112my limiters gone now. So much better. I’m doing normal bike speeds now like 18mph I’m going up hill at 16 like a normal e-bike still I can do 30 if I really try which is the same as me riding a normal mtb but only with skinny tyres The limiter makes you a sitting duck for muggers

[@mynameshandle]

Bought a brand new 1 the other day after owning "unlocked" one for the last 4 years, can confirm 15.5mph absolutely sucks, speedbox ordered 😂

[@TheEulerID]

The biggest con is going to be the liability for at least 6 points on your driving licence if used on a public road. You will (at a minimum) be face being charged with having an unregistered motorcycle, which does not comply with construction regulations and riding whilst uninsured. If people want a de-restricted bike, then buy an electric moped.

[@richardharker2775]

I have mixed opinions here. I live in Australia which has the same limits as Britain and Europe. In USA and New Zealand it is 32kph and a different regulation in USA allow for a higher speed. One thing I didn't realise until after purchase is that I'm amongst the slowest of riders during commuting hours heading to the city. Where this causes a problem is with the racer boys that pass me with oncoming commuters coming head on and squeezing dangerously through a narrow passage. Upping that speed on an ebike to 30kph would keep me in the general flow without causing angst with the impatient riders. I'm not sure if it will wear the motors any faster as the same motors power the fast USA models as well as those with the slower regulated countries. Ideally laws need to be changed but non ebikes can easily go faster without any regulation. Sucks it does.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comments

[@TheIvabigun]

Nz bike are sold up to 45km for trek road road bikes, the limiting factor is output not speed, as long as you are not exceeding the posted speed limit like other traffic there is no issue, exceed the output and the bike could be classified as a moped and need to comply with rules associated to running one of those.

[@davomontgomeryda3rd]

Not too many of the greatest achievements in sport, space travel, innovation, etc. were ever accomplished by the type of people who keep themselves in conformance to restricted mode…

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching, great comment

[@Stevo_YouTube]

15.5 limit is too slow. I want to tune and I know there's such a slim chance of me ever getting caught but as I'm the only one in my family who drives I just can't risk it just in case I lose my driving licence.

[@maikelmolto8986]

And expect extra legal costs of >3000 once you get caught: no drivers license, no road worthyness, no insurance coverage, probably posing a danger to the public, wreckless driving, extra insurance points etc.. The law is the law, no matter, how frustrating it sometimes is.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thank you for watching and your nice comments.

[@yj8471]

Tuning ? Thought it just stopped the speeding limiter cutting in ? Hey if you are going downhill on a restricted bike and hit 30 mph is that illegal ? Do cops now randomly stop people on something like a Specilized Turbo Levo and test them ? Wow I'd better watch out looks like the ebike cops out 👮‍♀️

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi YJ and thanks for watching, an interesting comment.

[@yj8471]

Didn't realise that it was illegal to exceed 15.5 mph on an ebike .. or do the cops have follow you and track your speed, then confiscate your bike and test it to see if it exceeds 15.5 mph or place it on a dyno to see if it exceeds 250w ? I'm confused 😕

[@darthkek1953]

@@yj8471 you can go over 15mph on an e-bike but after 15.5 mph you're doing it with pedals/gravity no assist, to the limit of the road of course.

[@niblet112]

@@yj8471 one push of a button you can turn you’re ebike back to its original setting. My average speed on a 40 mile journey is about 16-17 mph. So I’m never really using the motor only on hills so 15.5mph makes absolutely no sense, 20mph is where it’s at.

[@arrrytruman]

Got to be one of the least opionated and most professionall comparisons ive seen we all understand the risks but realisticily the government should raise the limit potentially aloud only on the roads but its up for debate great video 😊

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

[@jordorfc]

Raise the speed limit? Motorways are for high speeds residential areas are for snails

[@wortex36]

Yah my apinion is tune it and bike in 25km near people and if alone enjoy 40km , if kid under 16 cap it 25km , I think this cap I stupid for 16 years and older , government not put cap in any other vehicle than ebikes , so why can us be trusted in cars with endless power over speed limit . Like the people that is in the ebikes are not trustworthy to follow the law but other vehicle no problem , and also 25km is just bull.... Speed , man with regular bike can cycle in 40km no problem with no battery , but if you have battery government need to make speed cap so you will not hurt yourself or others , ? I cannot believe this speedcap will be endless in this bikes , this is just common sense just be in 25km near people and stuff and if alone , drive like you stole it ! Everyone does that sometimes in cars motorcycles electric cars ! And whatever , that is my apinion anyway,

[@richardkaz2336]

The issue of warranty If the module is removed before it is taken ot the shop for repair. They have no way of knowing the bike may have been fitted with a unit. The speed restriction law is a bit pointless and more about revenue raising. I often get over 30km/hr on flat and down hill under my own power. The limiting to 25km/hr does not limit the posibility of going faster than 25km/hr, it just cuts out assistance. In some locations riding back on public streets from trails back to the car I've clocked well over 40km/hr. The Police can do absolutely nothing about it as the speed limit is 60km/hr and my ebike is not chipped or modfyed in anyway. Similar speeds are possible even on trails on public land. All it does is limit climbing at at higher speeds or sustaining elevated speeds for prolonged time. Do I need to go fast up hill or scream around twisty bits. Not really as I often ride with younger manual non eMTB riders and keep up. When I ride with older manual non eMTB riders then I either don't turn on the battery or just ride my other manual non eMTB.

[@neilelliston]

35kph is better than 25kph

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Thanks for watching, Fair enough

[@CatTerrist]

I think the motor wear issue is not really a problem, esp given these exact same motors are used in places that allow higher limits like North America. The only real wear item as such is the bearing and they will still be turned when you are over the assistance limit The battery *may* OTOH start to degrade faster due to more charging cycles (because you are using battery more). And also that may happen because you are out on the bike more because a raised restriction makes the bike more fun to get out there :) I'd say your legal issues and warranty thoughts are correct tho.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for your comments

[@taffdavies2265]

It's a riders choice we don't need opinionated bike shops preaching.

[@darthkek1953]

That bike shop is balancing a fine-line between riders choice and potentially being an accomplice to a criminal act.

[@tconnolly9820]

I'm in the market for a first e-bike. Yes, it is frustrating that I'm going to be limited to 25kmh assisted. Of course, if I have an e-bike with a good selection of derailleur gears for example like a Cube Kathmandu which I'm currently considering which has 12, on the flat or on the declines I can just do as I currently do on my pretty basic hybrid bike and just pedal harder under my own steam. The e-bike will be easier for me on the hills and into those headwinds and when I'm loaded down or pulling trailers. I test rode a different e-bike recently and it was feeling so relatively effortless even in the lowest assist. I was pedaling along gaining speed and suddenly something happened. I crossed 25kmh and I was back to reality, I would have to just pedal harder as I do already on my own bike. And 250mh motors are really underpowered too. As soon as I sit on an e-bike that's 120kg before I add any luggage of which I usually carry quite a lot. That's the load bearing limit of most e-bikes exceeded already. But not too long ago this very evening I was watching a video from Canada demonstrating the difference between a mid drive and a hub drive e-bike for commuting. Nobody mentioned restrictions or legalities but the hub drive was doing about 40kmh and the mid drive hit 60kmh. The hub had a throttle, the mid didn't. I was feeling oh so jealous and not a little frustrated. They didn't mention what brands the bikes or motors were or power output. It was just the differences between the two types of drives for commuting. The main reason why I can't have an e-bike that will do 40+ kmh on the flat is because we all know that there will be the normal percentage of idiots who will be riding them with due recklessness on the pavements and shared paths and running normal cyclists off the bike lanes. I'd love to be able to do 40+ kmh on my 20km commute each way to work. It would really shorten the time each way. And I would absolutely never go over 25 in a bike lane. But you just goddamned know that all the yahoos out there are just gonna go mad with the extra speed. There's plenty of them out there already on illegal and derestricted bikes and scooters regularly causing mayhem and damage with impunity. Am I right or am I right? I am actually now beginning to seriously consider the option of buying something that will be faster and stronger for those longer commutes even though it will need to be taxed, insured and the correct license. Which is making me feel sad because I really had my heart set on an all round e-bike workhorse. I don't know yet but I'm looking into it.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for your interesting comments. I can understand your dilemma.

[@staceyismine]

Defo chip it its all about fun

[@niblet112]

Exactly I know quite a few people who sold there ebikes because of the 15.5mph.

[@jimji2774]

Here in the US 20 mph is just a tad to slow for my ebike on the road and from what I hear even in the dirt for faster riders - not me yet but who knows. I find I am wanting to go about another 5 mph or so out on country roads and also it starts to cut out around 19 mpg anyway.I have been passed more than once by regular skinny tire bikes which is a little humbling. I can't imagine how annoying it would be to only be able to go 15 mpg while most regular bikes are flying past you at higher speeds. I think I understand why most of the chip makers seem to be from Europe as there must be a huge market for them there. I will likely de-restrick my new expensive Trek 9.7 eventually but am holding off a bit as the warranty thing worries me.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments.

[@peaceformula5830]

Make a comment when you do bro it's good to share experience sometimes :)

[@fazer2747]

I just bought a Trek Rail 7 in the US and feel the same way. 19 mph feels a little too slow on the road. I have read that the Speedbox has a lot of bugs- error codes and such. If it was so unpredictable I would get one but still on the fence. Also the warranty thing being I just got the bike.

[@tristramgordon8252]

Seven minutes in, and . . . nothing, jibberish ?

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

oh dear, sorry about that, welcome the feedback though.

[@sersolo3112]

😂

[@garyhoward4064]

+15 mph dangerous? Tour de France downhill up to 70 mph on skinny bikes..

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Thanks for watching and your comment

[@grannyjone]

This is exactly the point I have been trying to make

[@roybuffey3886]

If you want to ride faster don’t break the law buy a motorbike

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Well said

[@leenevin8451]

Is the LAW the issue? Or do you have your own opinion?

[@niblet112]

It’s not well said. The Lycra brigade have 40+ gears, and cruse around at 20-25 mph. I’ve hit 30mph on my ebike downhill and a Lycra guy passed me like I was standing still. So should analog bikes have less gears or buy a motorbike?

[@tconnolly9820]

I'm in the market for a first e-bike. Yes, it is frustrating that I'm going to be limited to 25kmh assisted. Of course, if I have an e-bike with a good selection of derailleur gears for example like a Cube Kathmandu which has 12, on the flat or on the declines I can just do as I currently do on my pretty basic hybrid bike and just pedal harder under my own steam. The e-bike will be easier for me on the hills and into those headwinds and when I'm loaded down or pulling trailers. I test rode a different e-bike recently and it was feeling so relatively effortless even in the lowest assist. I was pedaling along gaining speed and suddenly something happened. I crossed 25kmh and I was back to reality, I would have to just pedal harder as I do already on my own bike. And 250mh motors are really underpowered too. As soon as I sit on an e-bike that's 120kg before I add any luggage of which I usually carry quite a lot. That's the load bearing limit of most e-bikes exceeded already. But not too long ago this very evening I was watching a video from Canada demonstrating the difference between a mid drive and a hub drive e-bike for commuting. Nobody mentioned restrictions or legalities but the hub drive was doing about 40kmh and the mid drive hit 60kmh. The hub had a throttle, the mid didn't. I was feeling oh so jealous and not a little frustrated. They didn't mention what brands the bikes or motors were or power output. It was just the differences between the two types of drives for commuting. The main reason why I can't have an e-bike that will do 40+ kmh on the flat is because we all know that there will be the normal percentage of idiots who will be riding them with due recklessness on the pavements and shared paths and running normal cyclists off the bike lanes. I'd love to be able to do 40+ kmh on my 20km commute each way to work. It would really shorten the time each way. And I would absolutely never go over 25 in a bike lane. But you just goddamned know that all the yahoos out there are just gonna go mad with the extra speed. There's plenty of them out there already on illegal and derestricted bikes and scooters regularly causing mayhem and damage with impunity. Am I right or am I right? I am actually now beginning to seriously consider the option of buying something that will be faster and stronger for those longer commutes even though it will need to be taxed, insured and the correct license. Which is making me feel sad because I really had my heart set on an all round e-bike workhorse. I don't know yet but I'm looking into it.

[@papalegba6796]

Every time I commute to work on my ebike I struggle to merge with traffic, which is mostly moving at 20-25mph. Right turns can be a nightmare, there's two that would make my commute shorter but they're just too dangerous so I go a bit further. Also I tend to clog up the cycle lane on flat or downhill sections, then on uphill sections other cyclists are in my way. A limit of 25mph would make my commute safer, faster, & more convenient for other cyclists not using ebikes. My commute is along the most dangerous roads in the second worst city in England for cycling accidents, & I am a very experienced cyclist, who has never had an accident involving a car in all my 60 years (I once hit a drunk pedestrian who jumped in front of me tho lol), so I speak from experience. I very much enjoy my ebike, as i would otherwise be unable to still ride, & it is convenient, cost effective transport. But the 15mph limit is by far the most hazardous aspect of it, makes me feel like a sitting duck in many situations that, when I was younger, fitter and on an ordinary road bike, simply never occurred.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Thanks for watching and your comments. I have to admit the roads frighten me, some drivers are so impatient and down right dangerous. keep safe.

[@papalegba6796]

I've got a bit stiff in my old age, first thing I did when I got the ebike was start doing stretching exercises so I can effectively perform the "life saver" look over my right shoulder lol. My commute is mostly along Burley & Kirkstall Roads in Leeds, they're deadly for inexperienced cyclists, seen some horrible accidents. I did the cycling proficiency test as a kid, remember that? And all the public information films used to be on TV? There should be more of that now, older people new to cycling simply don't understand how dangerous it can be imo.

[@tconnolly9820]

If you haven't already can I recommend that you get a good pair of motorcycle type mirrors for your e-bike. I have them on my ordinary bicycle and they are fabulous. A good set of individual right and left Bluetooth indicators can help too to communicate your intentions on the road to following traffic as well as your shoulder check to make eye contact (you will already know what's behind you from the mirrors) and using strong clear outstretched hand signals. I hate cyclists who give a brief one second half hearted flick of the hand which happens so quickly it's hard to know it even happened. I am considering an e-bike at the moment but 25kmh is definitely too slow. I do that and more already on the flat without a problem not being anywhere near fit and latter fifties. But for the hills and headwinds it would make a big difference. I just might consider looking at something a bit faster that would require a license and insurance and mix it with my existing ordinary hybrid bike.

[@HerbsmanRevs]

The point regarding safety isn't really valid, it's not like you can't go past the assist limit by pedaling. The other thing might be worth mentioning is that many emtb's are acquired through schemes and derestricting the bike is not allowed, on or off road. I'm picking up my first emtb tomorrow and will be leaving it stock, though I have no issue with those that mod theirs. Personally I don't think the limit is needed even on public raods.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. I strongly disagree with your views on safety, the fact that the motor can propel the bike to an unlimited speed and where in a country helmets and insurance are not compulsory makes it unsafe in the wrong hands, The law states that they must have a maximum power output of 250 watts should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph. Exciting times first ebike, have fun, they are amazing machines.

[@RetsudoZeus]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic but any healthy adult can cycle faster than 15.5 mph without a motor. The law is stupid and should be a) ignored and b) repealed. And if we've all agreed arbitrary mechanical speed limits are a good idea, why don't they apply to cars?

[@fastj1962]

there are cons based on fantasyland or a specialized set of circumstances. On a trail, how fast can someone pedal downhill unrestricted, or just turning off the motor and using gravity? On the pavement, which is what I do, whats the difference between me and a road bike with no assist? As I covered in my other post, a road bike is far more dangerous and unstable than a road bicycle. Not sure of your experience, but think about it. Maybe I'm just out of my mind and I'm not seeing something I should.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comments

[@Canadazeus]

You love the sound of your own voice. I don't. I had to keep skipping forward, but found 3 minutes of useful info.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments, at least you found some useful stuff

[@willian.direction6740]

30 km per hour would be good. 25 in Aussie is a bit slow for trail gravel riding, there are lots of times out on the back roads I am doing over 25 but pushing the whole 21kg bike under my own steam which I deem good for me. So it becomes a roll down peddle up thing on my rides.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

thanks for watching and your comments

[@earthling2022]

Hi Dave, Great video. Can you explain the security bolts pls ? and sizes. Are they the ones with a torx and a pin in the middle ? also where to buy from..ebay ? also can you get discount on the tracker ? cheers in advance dude

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, most bolts are torx 25, some are security, some are standard. they are available from amazon and screwfix, which tracker are you referring to?

[@earthling2022]

@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic ahh thanks for the info re: security bolts. I got a bit mixed up , as I was referring to your ‘gps must have’ video . I’m sure you mentioned you can possibly get a discount ..

[@danielgreen3715]

Thanks for your advice my question is will one of these chip things push it past the manufacturers tolerances that are already inbuilt into the engine as we know like you have suggested that companies like Bosch will have their motors able to do a lot more than what they usually operate at ..But for how long I suppose would then be the question..Mmm real food for thought cheers

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Daniel, good question, The motors are designed for all countries and their respective regulations, Each manufacturer will program the motor for their bikes and their countries ebike laws, if a motor is pushed past it's designed limits then additional wear will certainly happen on motor moving parts and bearings, also on drivetrains and tyres.

[@JCozzyphotos]

i did not use a device. i am a micro electronic engineer. i ride a custom e-mtb i have made myself with the bafang m620. running fox shocks, renthal, deore xt 12s and deore 4 piston brakes on dt swiss wheels. 155mm cranks and bro's pedals. my changes to the motor mean it is more punchy that usual and tons of fun. i do jump the bike and lots of water. I have however used conformal coatings on the electronics to seal the bike and i have sealed the battery compartment with rubber stripping. i have had the bike 1 metre under water (not intended) but i inspected in a pulldown and totally dry. did all the bearings of course. you can safely de-restrict a bike if you are sensible and understand what to do. be careful and enjoy. i will also note that i built a new battery that is lithium phosphote with liquid cooling and my 940watts gets me a long way.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Thanks for watching and your comments, sounds interesting, how did you find the motor when stripping down, any photos?

[@soundwave6769]

i have a 2014 haibike xduto amt pro with the performance motor gen2 and had a badass dongle on it for 7 years and it still works but the transfer gear is worn out and it needs new bearings but must have over 10.000 miles on it so done its job and the dongle is also still working as just needs a new battevery couple of years. my original 400w batt is also still working tho it is dow to 10 miles in turbo and even less with the new cx motor and kiox display i got from peter. tho on fitting the kiox display it brought back fkn emtb mode and every time it powerd up wanted a dealer update so off i went to the new ebike shop up to the road to have 30 quid extorted out of me to plug in a usb cable and push a button yay. i forgot to tell him it had a dongle on it and guess what the bosch software cant see it or any errors from using it so if you want a dongle that bosch cant see get a badass one. with the new gen4 motors any dongle that is attached to the motor could be now 1 firmware update from being bricked or gps tracked via that little app you have to be monitored 247 and send the motor in to limp mode and after 3 times needs a dealer reset tho this has not happened yet but the threat is still there and these motors are now smart! martin at ebike shop sells dongles and honors the warranty and has been doing this for years but despite what bosch says but with these new gen4 motors even his shitty cheap ass dongles dont work anymore so not a option for bosch but the yamaha ones still work and still sells those. ebike shop only offers warranty with there dongles! and wont sell you parts unless you buy the bike from them, my bike was bought 2nd hand and was from ebike shop but no parts for me and no warranty even tho the bike had only 160 miles on it but 8 years later its still going even better than new. if you take a sclass motor that can go 28mph inside there the same motor just with different speed settings programmed in buy bosch at the factory for the gen 2 motors anyway as the controllers are the same but using a dongle will be faster than this if the bike is geared for it as at 120rpm i can hit 35mph on the flat but it does reduce range to about 25 miles if you hammer it non stop and drop bar race bikes dont have a hope in hell with me up there ass.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, great comments, Thank you

[@peaceformula5830]

A lot of good info thanks for writing

[@westonloomis]

My dad's ebike isnt working and I think the pedal sensor is the issue. If I disconnect the pedal sensor and install a thumb throttle, will the ECM allow this or will it not function unless a pedal sensor is connected? I really want to fix it for him as he's getting old and it's difficult for him to peddle without a motor to help but I don't want to waste money on a throttle if the ECM won't allow it. I'll keep the bike in line with the law on power and speed but rather than replacing an expensive pedal sensor I think a thumb throttle will be an easy, convenient and safe fix (albeit slightly against the rules) Many thanks.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi Weston, The the control box has an input for a throttle control then it should work providing you use the correct part, however this could be dangerous to an elderly person.

[@bradsanders6954]

Ive got the US version Shimano EP8 motor in my 2022 Canyon. I do not like the "brakes on" sensation when the stock limiter kicks in. By 18.5 mph it starts to bog out. I rode with a friend, he was on a gravel e bike so he goes 28 easy........screw 18.5 mph Im getting a speedbox! Road e bikes, gravel e bikes, both go 28 mph. Their motors seem to last fine. 20,000 miles is what a normal e bike motor lasts.

[@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic]

Hi, thanks for watching and your comment